116: Nano on Both Sides

00:00SPEAKER- I gotta say, we started recording at exactly the same time

00:03SPEAKERon the last episode.

00:04SPEAKERIt was amazing.

00:05SPEAKER- Are you saying that we are drift compatible?

00:07SPEAKER- Drift compatible, Brad.

00:09SPEAKER- We don't even need the beep anymore.

00:10SPEAKERWe don't need to use any timekeeping APIs

00:13SPEAKERto sync our recording, that we're just doing it

00:15SPEAKERpsychologically, kind of telepathically.

00:17SPEAKER- We absolutely need the beep.

00:18SPEAKER(laughs)

00:19SPEAKERBut trying to synchronize the conversation

00:23SPEAKERon episodes with no beep is, oh my God.

00:27SPEAKERYou just end up second guessing yourself

00:29SPEAKERthe whole way through.

00:30SPEAKER'Cause you're like, is he talking over here?

00:31SPEAKEROr is this just a place where the latency on the call

00:40SPEAKERmessed up the way the conversation flowed?

00:42SPEAKER- Was he just stopping to think for a second?

00:45SPEAKER- Is this a pause?

00:46SPEAKERIs this a pregnant pause?

00:47SPEAKEROr is this just the clocks have drifted

00:50SPEAKERon the two different audio files?

00:53SPEAKER- When did you have to sync without the click track stuff?

00:57SPEAKERDid that happen?

00:58SPEAKER- I don't believe it happened on this podcast, however.

01:01SPEAKER- Okay, I was gonna say,

01:02SPEAKERmy podcast etiquette and protocol are above reproach.

01:05SPEAKER- Yes, no, you are a very good podcast co-host.

01:07SPEAKEROn some of the other podcasts I've done in the past,

01:10SPEAKERthe other co-hosts were less fastidious

01:13SPEAKERabout their clapping and synchronizing sounds.

01:18SPEAKERAnd as a result, we occasionally would have

01:21SPEAKERto eyeball the sync.

01:24SPEAKERAnd since we did video there,

01:25SPEAKERyou had to do it based on mouth movements.

01:27SPEAKER- Oh no.

01:28SPEAKERI'm real bad.

01:29SPEAKERI can't read lips, it turns out.

01:31SPEAKER- This is why it's important to observe proper procedure.

01:34SPEAKER- Gotta always follow the process.

01:39SPEAKER- That was too short.

01:41SPEAKER- Was it?

01:42SPEAKER- It was a minute and 40 seconds.

01:43SPEAKER- Don't we make the rules?

01:44SPEAKER- Yeah, but I think it's too short.

01:46SPEAKERI'm making the rules.

01:47SPEAKER- The more we talk, the longer it goes.

01:49SPEAKER- That's true.

01:49SPEAKER- We can salvage this.

01:52SPEAKERWhat else you got?

01:53SPEAKER- I got nothing else right now.

01:54SPEAKERI'm looking around my desk furiously,

01:56SPEAKERlooking for something I can talk about.

01:57SPEAKER- I have too many DualShock 4s.

01:59SPEAKERWhat am I gonna do with DualShock 4s?

02:01SPEAKERBecause I can't use them on anything

02:02SPEAKERexcept PlayStation 4, which now lives in the closet.

02:05SPEAKER- You can use them on PlayStation 5.

02:06SPEAKER- Wait, can you?

02:07SPEAKER- Yeah, therefore it's compatible.

02:09SPEAKER- Wait.

02:10SPEAKER- You lose the good triggers.

02:11SPEAKER- Oh God, you're right, aren't you?

02:13SPEAKERAm I losing my touch?

02:15SPEAKER- You got the touch.

02:16SPEAKER- Am I losing my moral authority

02:19SPEAKERon business of video games?

02:21SPEAKERHang on.

02:21SPEAKER- You got the power.

02:22SPEAKER- Wait, you're totally right.

02:24SPEAKER- Yeah, they don't work very well in my experience.

02:25SPEAKERI tried it.

02:27SPEAKERThe bummer is you can't use the,

02:28SPEAKERlike I wanted to, when I got my PS5,

02:30SPEAKERI wanted to use the old PS4 as like a remote station

02:32SPEAKERfor the PS5 and the other rooms.

02:35SPEAKERAnd you can't do that at all.

02:36SPEAKER- Wait, you can't?

02:37SPEAKER- Well, you can, but you have to use the PS4 controller

02:39SPEAKERand then you lose,

02:39SPEAKERyou can't plug a PS5 controller into the PS4.

02:41SPEAKER- Oh, no, definitely not.

02:43SPEAKER- And get the good triggers

02:44SPEAKERon your remote play PS5 games through the PS4.

02:47SPEAKERSo, throw it all out.

02:49SPEAKER- I guess these DualShock 4s still have some utility.

02:52SPEAKERI'll keep them around in this drawer for all those people

02:54SPEAKERI'm having over to play multiplayer PlayStation games.

02:56SPEAKER- I'm going to tell you,

02:58SPEAKERif it's the launch DualShock 4,

03:00SPEAKERthe ones that are creaky,

03:02SPEAKERwe talked about this a few weeks ago,

03:03SPEAKERbut like just get rid of them.

03:05SPEAKERYou're not going to use them.

03:06SPEAKER- Oh yeah, no, no.

03:07SPEAKERI'm all light bar all the time in here at this point.

03:09SPEAKER- Double light bar, but even more pad, whatever.

03:12SPEAKER- You know, I'm just going to keep

03:14SPEAKERpiling these controllers up one day.

03:18SPEAKERYes.

03:19SPEAKER- It's one of my favorite controllers.

03:20SPEAKERIt's a really good controller.

03:20SPEAKER- I know it's good, it's good.

03:21SPEAKERBut I mean, I've got Xbox 360 controllers

03:24SPEAKERand DualShock 4s and Xbox One controllers

03:26SPEAKERand like they just keep multiplying.

03:29SPEAKERI'm just going to keep keeping them one day.

03:32SPEAKERI'm going to build a house out of them.

03:33SPEAKER- Did you?

03:34SPEAKER- I will just build a home from old video game controllers.

03:37SPEAKER- Did you all have a free table at GameSpot?

03:41SPEAKERLike the table where people chuck the stuff

03:43SPEAKERthat they didn't want anymore

03:44SPEAKERand then they're cleaning off their desks and stuff?

03:46SPEAKER- Not really, because everything we had

03:48SPEAKERwas pretty much in use all the time.

03:50SPEAKERIf you mean controllers and stuff like that.

03:52SPEAKER- Well, I mean, like we, so at max PC,

03:54SPEAKERwe would get a like regular supply of things

03:56SPEAKERthat like were inexpensive to the point

04:00SPEAKERthat they weren't worth like return shipping on.

04:02SPEAKERAnd it ranged from like for a while,

04:05SPEAKERsomebody was on a movie,

04:06SPEAKERa couple of movie studios mailing lists.

04:08SPEAKERSo there'd just be a bunch of DVDs every,

04:09SPEAKERlike 50 DVDs every week would come in.

04:12SPEAKER- Yeah.

04:13SPEAKER- And he would pick through the ones that he wanted

04:14SPEAKERand then chuck the rest out on the free table.

04:16SPEAKERAnd it would be like swag t-shirts and hats and,

04:19SPEAKERbut occasionally, occasionally it would be

04:22SPEAKERsomething really good.

04:23SPEAKER- Oh?

04:24SPEAKER- Like an Xbox 360 controller.

04:25SPEAKER- Wow.

04:26SPEAKER- Or once upon a time, there was a Logitech steering wheel

04:30SPEAKERwith a shifter and wheels for the previous gen,

04:34SPEAKERI think it was for the PS2 era in the like 360 PS3 days.

04:39SPEAKER- Wait, hang on.

04:40SPEAKERAre you telling me that racing wheels

04:41SPEAKERare not forward compatible?

04:43SPEAKER- They are now, but back then, less so.

04:46SPEAKER- Wow.

04:47SPEAKER- Well, remember the PS2 had that weird plug.

04:48SPEAKER- Well, yeah.

04:49SPEAKER- It wasn't USB.

04:50SPEAKER- Talk about, I'm asking building materials.

04:53SPEAKER- Yeah, look, stacks of racing wheels.

04:56SPEAKER- Racing wheels and plastic guitars.

04:58SPEAKERI could build a house out of plastic guitars.

05:00SPEAKER- Hey look, wise man once said, don't buy a racing wheel.

05:03SPEAKERAnd I think we can stand by that.

05:04SPEAKER- I, did you ever go to Circuit City

05:08SPEAKERwhen they were closing out all the rock band

05:09SPEAKERand guitar hero stuff?

05:11SPEAKERLike when Circuit City was going out of business?

05:13SPEAKER- I don't think so.

05:14SPEAKER- So that Circuit City on Van Ness,

05:15SPEAKERthe one up on the north end of Van Ness,

05:18SPEAKERright when you get to the top of the hill,

05:20SPEAKERwe went on closeout day and pretty much

05:23SPEAKERall that they had three days before they shut down forever

05:26SPEAKERwas a whole bunch of like coffee makers

05:29SPEAKERand grab bad coffee grinders and stuff like that.

05:32SPEAKERAnd then literally room after room after room

05:36SPEAKERof guitar hero and rock band controllers.

05:38SPEAKER- For how discounted are we talking?

05:41SPEAKER- Look, I think if you pick them up

05:42SPEAKERand took them out without paying,

05:43SPEAKERthey wouldn't have complained.

05:45SPEAKER- Did you make off with some guitars?

05:48SPEAKER- Well, I had enough guitars,

05:49SPEAKERso I didn't take more guitars, I was good.

05:52SPEAKERYou know, the failure rate on the late era

05:54SPEAKERharmonics instruments was pretty good.

05:57SPEAKERSo I didn't feel the need to get spares.

06:00SPEAKERI also didn't realize that that genre

06:01SPEAKERwas gonna go away forever

06:03SPEAKERand you'd never be able to buy new ones.

06:04SPEAKERSo, you know, lessons learned.

06:07SPEAKER(upbeat music)

06:22SPEAKER(upbeat music continues)

06:35SPEAKER- Welcome to Brad and Will Made a Tech Pod.

06:37SPEAKERI'm Will.

06:38SPEAKER- I'm Brad.

06:39SPEAKER- Season's greetings to you.

06:40SPEAKER- Season's greetings, Brad, to all.

06:44SPEAKERIt is that time of year again.

06:46SPEAKERIt's the winter, the winter, the winter ending is upon us.

06:49SPEAKER- Yes, we're in the interim between the Thanksgiving

06:52SPEAKERand the Christmas, et cetera.

06:54SPEAKER- What was your pie-sich last week?

06:57SPEAKER(Will laughs)

06:57SPEAKERDid you really?

06:58SPEAKER- Oh, this is, I can't believe you're bringing this up.

07:00SPEAKERI can't believe I'm going to say this.

07:03SPEAKEROur pie situation, we were going to buy a pie.

07:05SPEAKER- Okay.

07:06SPEAKER- Safeway sells half pies now,

07:07SPEAKERwhich I was pretty stoked about

07:08SPEAKERconsidering there's only two of us at the moment.

07:11SPEAKER- I mean, A, that's probably a healthy amount of pie

07:14SPEAKERfor two people to eat,

07:15SPEAKERbut B, I'm a little disappointed in you, Brad.

07:17SPEAKER- Well then buckle up 'cause it's about to get worse.

07:19SPEAKER- Oh no.

07:20SPEAKER- But I do salute the half pie.

07:22SPEAKERLike that's two pieces for two people over a couple of days.

07:24SPEAKERThat's like a sensible amount of pie.

07:27SPEAKER- Yes.

07:28SPEAKER- Instead, some pie was gifted to us

07:31SPEAKERfrom my partner's place of work.

07:33SPEAKER- Okay.

07:34SPEAKER- Some leftover pie was brought home.

07:36SPEAKER- Oh, oh, you got free table pie.

07:39SPEAKER- Some leftover Costco pumpkin pie in a big old pile.

07:44SPEAKER- Like a heap of pie?

07:46SPEAKER- It did not get transferred very elegantly

07:48SPEAKERinto the container, let's say.

07:49SPEAKERSo it was sort of haphazard chunks of pumpkin pie

07:53SPEAKERhanded down from a work event.

07:56SPEAKERThat was our pie situation for Thanksgiving.

07:58SPEAKER- I gotta say Costco pumpkin pie, pretty strong.

08:00SPEAKER- It was actually, I was surprised.

08:01SPEAKERLike for as unpresentable as it looked, it was very tasty.

08:05SPEAKER- I have been at places

08:06SPEAKERwhere there were Costco pumpkin pies served before

08:08SPEAKERand I was not unhappy with the pumpkin pie.

08:10SPEAKER- Costco food, I mean, in general,

08:11SPEAKERI got mostly pretty nice things to say.

08:15SPEAKERThose chickens, those roasters, man, when we talk about it,

08:17SPEAKERlike we know what it is doing to the earth sediment layer,

08:20SPEAKERbut.

08:22SPEAKER- Well, we learned after we went to the drive-in

08:24SPEAKERthe other day that there's a Costco just around the corner

08:26SPEAKERand like the pro move when you go to the drive-in,

08:29SPEAKERwhich is where the tickets are very cheap

08:30SPEAKERand they make all of their money on the concession stand,

08:33SPEAKERis to just swing by Costco and grab a couple of pizzas

08:36SPEAKERon the way in.

08:37SPEAKER- Ooh, wow.

08:38SPEAKER- And then, you know, like we saw somebody next to us

08:40SPEAKEReating a hot and ready from Little Caesars

08:41SPEAKERand I was like, I don't know if I'm into that kind

08:43SPEAKERof lifestyle at this point in my life,

08:45SPEAKERbut a Costco pepperoni, I'll eat a Costco pep.

08:48SPEAKER- Totally different. - That sounds good.

08:49SPEAKER- Completely different.

08:50SPEAKER- Yeah, it's a completely legitimate pizza there.

08:53SPEAKER- You just made me realize, first of all,

08:55SPEAKERI saw your Chevy Bolt?

08:57SPEAKER- Bolt. - The Bolt.

08:58SPEAKER- The Bolt is the one with a gas motor.

09:00SPEAKERThis is all electric, baby.

09:01SPEAKER- Okay, I don't know why I can't keep those straight.

09:03SPEAKERFirst of all, I saw your Chevy Bolt for the first time

09:05SPEAKERin person a few days ago and was shocked

09:07SPEAKERat how compact it is.

09:08SPEAKER- It's itsy bitsy.

09:09SPEAKER- It seems very sensible as an around town car,

09:12SPEAKERbut the other thing that you just made me realize

09:13SPEAKERis the number one reason that I would maybe ponder

09:16SPEAKERowning an automobile is trips to Costco whenever you want.

09:20SPEAKER- Oh yeah, there's no added cost.

09:22SPEAKERIt's just the wear and tear on your soul.

09:25SPEAKER- Right, well, yes, I mean, that goes without saying,

09:27SPEAKERbut being able to just go to Costco anytime you want,

09:30SPEAKERas opposed to like twice a year strategically,

09:33SPEAKERlike, okay, we gotta rent a car.

09:35SPEAKERLike, we gotta really make this one count

09:37SPEAKER'cause it's not like we can just go to Costco

09:38SPEAKERanytime we want.

09:39SPEAKER- Yeah, no, you gotta really stockpile the toilet paper

09:44SPEAKERif you're gonna make two trips a year to Costco.

09:46SPEAKER- That is literally the barometer

09:47SPEAKERby which we plan our Costco trips.

09:49SPEAKERIt was like, all right, well, we're on the last package,

09:51SPEAKERso we better start planning.

09:53SPEAKER- Do you do like a city car thing anymore?

09:55SPEAKERLike city car share one of those?

09:56SPEAKER- Yeah, we use a Zipcar,

09:58SPEAKERwhich is obviously a hell of a lot more convenient

10:00SPEAKERthan like renting an actual car.

10:02SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah.

10:04SPEAKER- Comes with its own complications.

10:06SPEAKER- I mean, look, the cost of this car

10:10SPEAKERis perfect for suburb life, right?

10:12SPEAKERLike we drive back and forth.

10:14SPEAKERMost days, the only thing we do

10:16SPEAKERis drive back and forth to school these days.

10:18SPEAKERSometimes we go to a store or something,

10:19SPEAKERbut like for the most part, it's like to school and back,

10:22SPEAKERwhich is like five miles each way.

10:24SPEAKERAnd it costs nothing to run.

10:26SPEAKERThere's very little maintenance.

10:28SPEAKERLike I looked at the brakes the other day

10:29SPEAKERand they show no use

10:30SPEAKERdespite us putting 3000 miles on the car.

10:33SPEAKERYeah, I like it a lot.

10:35SPEAKERThe battery situation is not ideal,

10:38SPEAKERbut Chevrolet and LG seem to be working on that,

10:41SPEAKERalbeit slower than I would like.

10:43SPEAKER- Wait, are they just gonna replace the battery

10:44SPEAKERat some point when they have the battery?

10:46SPEAKER- In every single one of those cars, yes.

10:49SPEAKERBut like they're scheduling replacements

10:51SPEAKERbased on how likely your car is to explode.

10:53SPEAKERAnd since we're low mileage and a new car,

10:56SPEAKERwe're really low on the list.

10:57SPEAKERSo like I was looking at the dates,

11:01SPEAKERI was like, they might not even get to us

11:03SPEAKERbefore it's time to turn the lease back in in two years,

11:05SPEAKERtwo and a half years.

11:07SPEAKERAnyways. - Play it safe.

11:09SPEAKER- I mean, look, we don't charge above 80%

11:10SPEAKERor whatever it is they're telling us.

11:11SPEAKERAnd like, it's fine.

11:14SPEAKER- Hey, new technology.

11:15SPEAKER- Yeah, if it's someplace that it catches on fire,

11:17SPEAKERthen it'll probably just cinch the driveway a little bit.

11:19SPEAKERIt'll be fine.

11:21SPEAKERWhat are we here to talk about this week, Brad?

11:24SPEAKER- 'Tis the season.

11:25SPEAKER- We said that already.

11:26SPEAKER- Oh, happy holidays.

11:29SPEAKER- No, no, we're talking about gifts.

11:31SPEAKER- Yes.

11:32SPEAKER- It's not a gift guide.

11:33SPEAKER- Welcome to, oh, damn,

11:34SPEAKERI was literally about to say

11:35SPEAKERwelcome to the 2021 official TechPod gift guide episode.

11:39SPEAKER- Shit, we should've talked about this beforehand.

11:41SPEAKER- This is not a gift guide.

11:42SPEAKER- This is not a gift guide.

11:44SPEAKERIt's like, look, so I don't,

11:47SPEAKERcoming from magazine land, I don't like gift guides

11:49SPEAKERbecause gift guides were, in most cases, in my experience,

11:53SPEAKERan excuse for people to get in a bunch of stuff

11:55SPEAKERthat they thought was cool, but would never spend money on.

11:58SPEAKERAnd like, for me, getting somebody something that is novel,

12:02SPEAKERbut that you would never actually spend your own money on

12:04SPEAKERfor yourself is a pretty bad gift.

12:07SPEAKER- Yeah, 'cause it's not practical.

12:09SPEAKERI mean, what are they,

12:10SPEAKERif you're not gonna buy it for yourself,

12:11SPEAKERthen what do they want with it either?

12:13SPEAKER- That's it.

12:13SPEAKERLike, I like to give things that I use and love

12:18SPEAKERand would happily spend my own money on to get for myself.

12:21SPEAKERAnd that's the lens through which we kind of sat down

12:25SPEAKERto make the list of things that are in our not gift guide.

12:29SPEAKER- Yeah, I mean, at a certain point, as you age,

12:31SPEAKERas you grow up, as you move from childhood

12:33SPEAKERto adolescence to adulthood,

12:34SPEAKERyou hit a certain point in disposable income

12:36SPEAKERwhere the fun, unattainable gifts

12:39SPEAKERare no longer unattainable, right?

12:41SPEAKERLike, if it's like a video game or, I mean, granted,

12:44SPEAKERyou're probably not trying

12:45SPEAKERto buy the G.I. Joe aircraft carrier late in life,

12:48SPEAKERor maybe you are.

12:49SPEAKER- I'm gonna tell you, at Comic-Con,

12:50SPEAKERwhen they sold that a few years ago,

12:51SPEAKERthere was a giant fucking line of all adults.

12:54SPEAKER- Okay, I believe it, actually, but you know what I mean?

12:56SPEAKERThe point is, you reach adulthood,

12:58SPEAKERlike little things that are just meant to entertain you,

13:01SPEAKERyou just buy when you want them.

13:02SPEAKERLike, you don't need to wait for Christmas

13:05SPEAKERto get your one Super Nintendo game for the year,

13:06SPEAKERyou just buy your, you know what I mean?

13:08SPEAKER- Yeah, dude, I was literally,

13:11SPEAKERI was sitting and talking to Gary,

13:13SPEAKERwho, his daughter and my daughter are really good friends,

13:16SPEAKERand they were playing and we were chatting,

13:17SPEAKERand I was like, like, our kids are nine

13:21SPEAKERand nine and nine and a half, right?

13:23SPEAKERAnd it's like, what do you get?

13:26SPEAKERLike, normally, when I was nine, I wanted video games, right?

13:28SPEAKERNine or 10, I wanted video games,

13:29SPEAKER'cause I wasn't really asking for toys very much anymore,

13:32SPEAKERbut I wanted-- - You didn't have the money

13:34SPEAKERto buy a game yourself, necessarily.

13:35SPEAKER- Yeah. - If you could save it up,

13:37SPEAKERit took quite some time.

13:38SPEAKER- Yeah, it was a big expenditure,

13:40SPEAKERso getting a bonus game, or maybe two,

13:43SPEAKERif I could get the grandparents to pony up, too,

13:44SPEAKERwas a real haul.

13:48SPEAKERBut they don't have that,

13:49SPEAKERbecause the world of video games is accessible to them,

13:54SPEAKERand realistically, all they wanna play

13:55SPEAKERis Roblox and Animal Crossing.

13:56SPEAKER- Oh, God, I didn't even think about what that's like

13:58SPEAKERas a child these days, that like, yeah,

14:01SPEAKERso many of, I mean, I'm sure it's not a coincidence

14:04SPEAKERthat so many of the most popular games are freely accessible,

14:07SPEAKERas in free to play, but even games that would cost

14:09SPEAKER50, 60 bucks are largely on things like Game Pass now, so.

14:13SPEAKER- Well, that's it, yeah, and Gary and I both buy,

14:17SPEAKERif we don't get stuff sent to us,

14:18SPEAKERthen we still buy most of the new releases,

14:20SPEAKERjust 'cause we like to stay up on it.

14:21SPEAKERAnd it was a, like, actually, I showed her how to use,

14:27SPEAKERI set up the Xbox Series S in the living room the other day,

14:29SPEAKERand I showed her how to use Game Pass,

14:31SPEAKERshe was like, wait, I can just download all of these games?

14:32SPEAKERI was like, yeah, these are all there,

14:33SPEAKERyou can just play any of them, whatever you want,

14:35SPEAKERas long as it's not, like, you know,

14:37SPEAKERsuper gory or whatever, and it's gonna give you nightmares.

14:39SPEAKERShe's like, oh, and then she started playing Forza, so.

14:43SPEAKER- Wow. - Baby steps.

14:44SPEAKER- That's wild, as a child, to have access to that stuff.

14:47SPEAKERI mean, it does, I see people talking about this,

14:48SPEAKERlike, it does potentially lead to that devaluation of choice

14:53SPEAKERof just, like, I have access to all this stuff

14:55SPEAKERfor essentially free, I mean, setting the subscription

14:58SPEAKERprice aside, so, like, I'm gonna spend five minutes

15:00SPEAKERon each thing and not really value them as experiences.

15:03SPEAKERIt's just like, oh, well, I've touched that,

15:05SPEAKERI don't care anymore, you know what I mean?

15:06SPEAKER- Yeah. - Like, it says,

15:07SPEAKERpeople talk about the same thing with, like,

15:09SPEAKERlike a Mr. or emulation, you know, it's like, oh,

15:11SPEAKERI have the entire library of all these consoles,

15:13SPEAKERand now I'm going to play none of them.

15:15SPEAKER- Well, and also, the challenge becomes, like,

15:18SPEAKERhey, how do I play this game, or how do I beat this game,

15:21SPEAKERor how do I get the most value out of this game

15:22SPEAKERthat I saved up my lawn mowing money for a month to buy?

15:25SPEAKER- Right. - And it turns into,

15:28SPEAKERI don't have any idea what to play,

15:30SPEAKERbecause I don't know anything about these games,

15:31SPEAKERand there's an infinity of them, right?

15:34SPEAKER'Cause, like, in addition to the Game Pass games,

15:35SPEAKERshe also has access to the entirety of

15:38SPEAKERwhatever I bought digitally on the Xbox One,

15:40SPEAKERand through Games with Gold, and all that stuff

15:43SPEAKERover the last, like, 10, 12, 20 years, whatever it's been.

15:46SPEAKER- Yeah. - So, yeah, anyway.

15:47SPEAKER- Yeah, anyway, I think a corollary to all this

15:49SPEAKERis that kids are generally pretty easy to buy gifts for,

15:52SPEAKERbecause they're very good at knowing what they want

15:53SPEAKERand telling you what they want.

15:54SPEAKER- Pretty, pretty true, yeah.

15:56SPEAKER- So I think we're probably here more to talk about

15:59SPEAKERgift-giving between adults,

16:00SPEAKERwhich is not often the easiest thing.

16:03SPEAKER- If you wanna give gifts to kids that are good,

16:05SPEAKERlike, if you have kids in your life,

16:06SPEAKERand you wanna give them thoughtful and good gifts,

16:08SPEAKERtalk to their parents, find out what books they're into.

16:10SPEAKERBooks are awesome, always good.

16:13SPEAKERFigure out which of the free-to-play games

16:15SPEAKERthey like to play, whether it's Fortnite,

16:16SPEAKERor Roblox, or Minecraft,

16:18SPEAKERand buy them the appropriate digital currency for those.

16:21SPEAKER- A gift-wrapped these V-Bucks for you.

16:23SPEAKER- I mean, look, you wanna see a kid get excited,

16:26SPEAKERthey're gonna be able to buy the banana costume,

16:27SPEAKERthey'll fuckin' bounce off the walls at that, so.

16:30SPEAKER- Oh yeah, oh yeah, of course.

16:31SPEAKERBut you know, yeah, again, giving gifts to adults

16:34SPEAKERwho can just buy whatever they want already.

16:36SPEAKER- Yeah, it's hard. - That's where things

16:37SPEAKERget tricky, that's where, yes, for sure.

16:39SPEAKER- Well, and it's easy to do the thing where you just are like,

16:43SPEAKER"I'm gonna spend way too much money on this,

16:44SPEAKER"'cause this is something I know

16:45SPEAKER"they would never buy for themselves."

16:47SPEAKERBut that's kind of a cop-out.

16:49SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah.

16:50SPEAKER- I mean, do that for your spouse, maybe.

16:52SPEAKERBut not your brother-in-law.

16:55SPEAKER- I mean, the-- - Sorry, Barry.

16:58SPEAKER- We've got a little list of guidelines here

17:00SPEAKERthat we think are ways to give thoughtful gifts,

17:02SPEAKERbut like, for me, every one of my favorite gifts

17:06SPEAKERthrough adulthood that I've gotten

17:08SPEAKERor that I've given to people are, like in my case,

17:10SPEAKERthings that I, not only did I not know that I wanted them,

17:13SPEAKERbut I'd never even heard of them.

17:14SPEAKERLike, I didn't even know it was a category of product

17:16SPEAKERuntil they gave it to me.

17:18SPEAKERAnd like, the two, I feel like the two goals

17:21SPEAKERyou're trying to fulfill with a good gift

17:23SPEAKERare you're trying to make their life better in some way,

17:26SPEAKERsome small, like you have streamlined

17:28SPEAKERthis person's daily existence in some way.

17:30SPEAKER- Reduce the pain of living, yeah.

17:31SPEAKER- Yes, and second, you have shown

17:33SPEAKERthat you really thought about who they are as a person

17:35SPEAKERand what they like to do and what their life is like.

17:37SPEAKERAnd like, you've put thought into the gift.

17:40SPEAKERLike, my girlfriend is really good at this,

17:42SPEAKERlike finding just, like not, like you said,

17:44SPEAKERit's not big, expensive, extravagant stuff.

17:46SPEAKERIt's like, oh, I know you like to put ice in your water.

17:50SPEAKERI got you this much nicer ice tray

17:52SPEAKERthan the crappy old ice trays we've been using forever.

17:55SPEAKERYou know what I mean? - Yeah, yeah.

17:55SPEAKER- Like this ice tray has like, like it slides out.

17:58SPEAKERIt's got like a slide pull handle and like a silicone cover

18:02SPEAKERto keep a junk in the freezer from getting on it.

18:04SPEAKERYou know what I mean?

18:04SPEAKERIt's just like, oh, it's just a slightly better ice tray,

18:06SPEAKERbut this is like so cool in terms of like something

18:09SPEAKERthat I already like to do, getting just a little bit better.

18:12SPEAKER- Well, it's the year that we discovered

18:15SPEAKERthe Zojirushi thermal mugs

18:17SPEAKERwhen Dave got bought that one at whiskey.

18:19SPEAKERAnd like, I was like, this thing's incredible.

18:21SPEAKER- Yeah, that's like the perfect example.

18:23SPEAKER- I got them for everybody that drinks coffee

18:25SPEAKERthe first year, but I didn't get them

18:28SPEAKERfor the people who didn't drink coffee.

18:29SPEAKERAnd my sister doesn't drink coffee, my brother-in-law does.

18:33SPEAKERSo he got one.

18:35SPEAKERAnd then my sister started using it

18:36SPEAKERwhen she was out working on the tractor at her horse farm.

18:39SPEAKERAnd she used it to keep drinks cold in the summer.

18:42SPEAKERAnd she was like, this thing is incredible.

18:43SPEAKERI could put like one cube of ice in here.

18:45SPEAKERAnd my ice water stays cold all day.

18:47SPEAKERI was like, oh.

18:48SPEAKERSo then I got them for the people

18:49SPEAKERwho don't drink coffee the next year, it was great.

18:53SPEAKERBut something like that, like it makes it,

18:55SPEAKERit doesn't spill, it keeps your coffee hot.

18:57SPEAKERIt keeps your cold drinks cold.

18:58SPEAKERIt's something you probably didn't know

19:00SPEAKERwas that as good as it is.

19:02SPEAKERAnd yeah, that's the bar.

19:05SPEAKER- Yes, of course. - That's what we try for.

19:07SPEAKER- Yeah, of course, like we are not in a position

19:09SPEAKERto recommend stuff like that

19:10SPEAKER'cause you have to know the person,

19:11SPEAKERyou have to know what they do and don't have, like.

19:15SPEAKER- Yeah.

19:15SPEAKER- Describing things that you don't know about already

19:17SPEAKERis probably tough.

19:18SPEAKER- Going to a gift guide on random website

19:21SPEAKERis not going to give you,

19:22SPEAKERit might give you something that prompts you

19:24SPEAKERto think about something that person likes.

19:25SPEAKER- That's true.

19:26SPEAKER- But it's not gonna, like you can't just,

19:28SPEAKERit's not like you can go to the wire cutters guide

19:30SPEAKERfor the 100 best gifts in 2021 and just be like,

19:33SPEAKERoh, well, number one, two and three, that's it, we're done.

19:36SPEAKER- Right, 'cause yeah, the best gifts

19:37SPEAKERare as personalized as possible.

19:39SPEAKER- I love, I love, love, love finding Etsy stuff.

19:44SPEAKER- That's good, like Etsy's a little bit dangerous

19:47SPEAKERbecause sometimes Etsy stuff is just like

19:49SPEAKERmass produced bootleg stuff.

19:53SPEAKER- Sure.

19:54SPEAKER- Like if you want to get a pair of Groot earrings

19:57SPEAKERthat are not the official licensed ones,

19:58SPEAKERyou can go to Etsy and find that.

20:00SPEAKER- Okay, you mean like copyright infringing stuff.

20:02SPEAKER- Yeah.

20:03SPEAKER- I see.

20:04SPEAKER- But also if you want to find something,

20:05SPEAKERlike if you have a friend who's like a huge fan

20:08SPEAKERof something that doesn't have merch surrounding it, right?

20:11SPEAKERLike there's a lot of, there's a lot of,

20:14SPEAKERthere's a lot of properties and there's a lot of media stuff

20:16SPEAKERand there's a lot of games that are successful and big,

20:19SPEAKERbut like they don't, they don't make Hitman.

20:21SPEAKERWell, I guess they are making Hitman merch now,

20:22SPEAKERbut they traditionally IO hadn't made

20:24SPEAKERa bunch of Hitman merch that's like wall art

20:27SPEAKERor something like that.

20:28SPEAKERAnd you get a cool, like actually done by a real artist

20:31SPEAKERprint or original of, you know, your favorite,

20:35SPEAKERyour favorite game or your gift Getty's favorite game

20:38SPEAKERor something like that.

20:39SPEAKERThat's a, that's a cool thing I think.

20:41SPEAKER- Etsy's an interesting suggestion because I mean,

20:43SPEAKERthis is very outdated thinking, but to me in my mind,

20:46SPEAKEREtsy is still very much like handmade craft type stuff,

20:49SPEAKERlike knitting.

20:50SPEAKER- There's a lot of that.

20:51SPEAKER- Handmade art, like that kind of thing.

20:52SPEAKERLike it's very artsy craftsy in my mind

20:55SPEAKERbecause I think that's kind of where it's got its start,

20:57SPEAKERright, largely.

20:58SPEAKER- Well, I mean, that's, that was the early perception.

21:00SPEAKERThere was a lot of like, it originally started

21:03SPEAKERas a lot of stuff made by hand from like metalworking

21:05SPEAKERand like jewelry making.

21:08SPEAKERThere's a lot, like somebody I follow on Twitter makes,

21:13SPEAKERspace inspired jewelry and like she gets beads

21:17SPEAKERand does the beads that are the right scale and colors

21:20SPEAKERto represent different planets and moons

21:22SPEAKERand stuff like that.

21:22SPEAKERAnd it's like, it's really cool, right?

21:24SPEAKERLike if you have somebody in your life that loves space,

21:26SPEAKERit's an awesome, awesome kind of jewelry gift for them.

21:29SPEAKER- Sure, yeah, the thing I was gonna say though is like,

21:31SPEAKERI feel like the domain of Etsy has expanded a lot

21:34SPEAKERin the last two, three years.

21:35SPEAKERLike there's a lot of, you find a lot of electronics

21:37SPEAKERon there now.

21:38SPEAKER- Well, they stopped gatekeeping, yeah.

21:39SPEAKERAnd also, yeah, but like the electronics that you find,

21:42SPEAKERlike Mr. Add-On started on Etsy, right?

21:44SPEAKER- That's what I mean.

21:45SPEAKERI don't know if he did.

21:46SPEAKERThere is a, gosh, I feel like I should,

21:49SPEAKER- One of the big Mr. Stories started on Etsy, yeah.

21:51SPEAKER- I feel like I need to look up his name

21:52SPEAKERto give him due credit.

21:53SPEAKERBut one of the other, it's not Mr. Add-Ons,

21:55SPEAKERbut there's another, ah, the name is on the tip of my tongue.

21:58SPEAKERBut yes, one of the other big Mr. Add-On makers.

22:00SPEAKER- It was the UK one, right?

22:01SPEAKER- That might be right.

22:02SPEAKER- Yeah, but yeah, there's a lot of stuff like this.

22:04SPEAKERThere's a lot of people doing like custom lighting kits.

22:07SPEAKERLike if you want to get, if you have a Lego set

22:08SPEAKERthat you love, like your friend has a Lego set

22:10SPEAKERthat they display 'cause they love it,

22:12SPEAKERwhether it's like the Friend Central perk

22:14SPEAKERor the Seinfeld set or something like that,

22:17SPEAKERyou can buy lighting kits for those

22:19SPEAKERthat have LED lights that you wire through the bricks

22:22SPEAKERand it'll light up the lights in the Lego set

22:25SPEAKERand set it like a set.

22:27SPEAKER- I'm sorry, I'm making faces.

22:28SPEAKERI'll explain in a second before we finish this thought.

22:30SPEAKERBut yeah, I think, I guess the thing I'm talking about

22:34SPEAKERhas risen in tandem with the accessibility

22:36SPEAKERof getting your own PCBs done and stuff like that.

22:38SPEAKERIt's like regular people with the electronic skills

22:41SPEAKERcan make a literal device with circuit boards

22:44SPEAKERand everything these days all kind of made to order, right?

22:46SPEAKERAnd there's a lot more of that kind of stuff on there.

22:48SPEAKERSo Etsy is probably a good place to poke around for stuff.

22:52SPEAKERAlthough the reason I was making a face,

22:55SPEAKERI clicked on their main gift guide,

22:57SPEAKERlike gift kind of promo unit on the front page.

23:00SPEAKER- Yeah.

23:01SPEAKER- And like in the very top row of results.

23:06SPEAKER- Yes, there's a fair amount of adult material

23:10SPEAKERcoming to the surface here.

23:11SPEAKER- I'm pretty sure you can get custom dildos made

23:13SPEAKERif you want them made on Etsy, yeah.

23:16SPEAKER- There is a line of candles fashioned like genitalia

23:20SPEAKERright here on the top line.

23:22SPEAKER- That's just.

23:24SPEAKER- Some stuff of that nature.

23:26SPEAKER- I would say if you have any questions

23:30SPEAKERabout whether that's an appropriate gift,

23:32SPEAKERany hesitation whatsoever,

23:33SPEAKERthat's probably not an appropriate gift.

23:35SPEAKER- Probably.

23:36SPEAKER- The genitalia candles.

23:37SPEAKER- I am confident our listeners are able to self filter.

23:41SPEAKER- Yeah.

23:42SPEAKER- Wow, here's a large Poke ball that's a terrarium.

23:45SPEAKER- But yeah.

23:46SPEAKER- That's cool.

23:47SPEAKER- Like stuff like that.

23:48SPEAKERThere's all sorts of weird, cool stuff.

23:49SPEAKERLike there's, like if you want to get a bag,

23:52SPEAKERlike a leather, like a really nice handmade leather bag,

23:55SPEAKERthat's something you can find on Etsy

23:57SPEAKERthat somebody who's really freaking good

23:59SPEAKERat making that stuff will be able to make for you, right?

24:01SPEAKER- Yeah, do you, I mean,

24:02SPEAKERI didn't expect to talk about Etsy so much

24:03SPEAKER'cause I've never really engaged with it,

24:06SPEAKERbut like, do you have any recommendations for,

24:08SPEAKERI guess, quality controls?

24:10SPEAKER- Look at what's going on.

24:11SPEAKERLook at the user reviews

24:13SPEAKERand make sure they're verified purchases, stuff like that.

24:15SPEAKER- Yeah.

24:17SPEAKER- We have in the past, like done,

24:19SPEAKERlike we got a Christmas card,

24:22SPEAKERsome Christmas card art done one year on Etsy.

24:27SPEAKERWe've had bought personalized jewelry.

24:29SPEAKERLike there's a bunch of laser cutter stuff.

24:31SPEAKERMost people don't have access to a laser cutter

24:32SPEAKERand like you can get like Christmas ornaments

24:35SPEAKERand all sorts of other stuff, laser cut for you there.

24:37SPEAKER- Yeah, I've seen some like incredibly nice

24:40SPEAKERcustom neon sign work and stuff like that.

24:42SPEAKERLike there's just people with skills are out there

24:45SPEAKERdoing some really cool stuff in storefronts like this.

24:47SPEAKER- Yeah, like it's the same thing that eBay did

24:50SPEAKERwith people who collect weird stuff 25 years ago.

24:54SPEAKERYou know, it's just for people who can make,

24:57SPEAKERwho have specific making skills.

25:00SPEAKER- So yeah, definitely check Etsy.

25:03SPEAKERThe other one is like,

25:04SPEAKERI don't ever feel bad about buying someone a cheap,

25:07SPEAKERreally special purpose tool.

25:10SPEAKERLike if you want a biscuit joiner,

25:12SPEAKERwhich is like a tool that you use to join two pieces

25:14SPEAKERof wood together on a right angle.

25:16SPEAKER- Wait, I'm sorry.

25:17SPEAKERDid you say a biscuit joiner?

25:17SPEAKER- Yeah, the biscuit is a little,

25:19SPEAKERit's like a little piece of like sawdusty wood come,

25:21SPEAKERcompressed stuff that you like.

25:24SPEAKERSo the biscuit cutter cuts a gap

25:26SPEAKERthat's exactly the right size for the biscuit to go

25:27SPEAKERand then you fill the hole with wood glue

25:30SPEAKERand you put the, jam the biscuits in there

25:32SPEAKERand put glue in the other side

25:33SPEAKERand the moisture from the glue makes the biscuit expand

25:36SPEAKERand it makes a really, really strong join that's flush.

25:39SPEAKER- I was thinking a very, very different type

25:42SPEAKERof biscuit cutter.

25:43SPEAKER- No, it's not the good kind of biscuit.

25:43SPEAKER- And I got very excited.

25:45SPEAKER- Well, so what I was gonna say is like,

25:47SPEAKERmy dad was doing cabinetry stuff a few years ago

25:48SPEAKERand I bought him a Harbor Freight biscuit cutter.

25:51SPEAKERAnd like the joke about Harbor Freight

25:52SPEAKERis that you buy those tools and like,

25:55SPEAKERyou know, like they're good right up until the moment

25:58SPEAKERthat they catch on fire, right?

25:59SPEAKERThey're cheap and they break usually spectacularly.

26:02SPEAKER- I wanted to ask because you wrote Harbor Freight tools

26:04SPEAKERin the notes here.

26:05SPEAKERIs that a brand?

26:06SPEAKERIs that a vendor that sells other people's tools?

26:08SPEAKERI've heard that name over the years,

26:09SPEAKERbut I didn't tell you what the...

26:11SPEAKER- So it's a brand, it's like off-label,

26:14SPEAKERit's like off-label,

26:16SPEAKERthe cheapest of the cheap power tools, basically.

26:19SPEAKER- Oh, power tools?

26:19SPEAKER- Power tools.

26:20SPEAKER- Okay.

26:21SPEAKER- Yeah, so like-

26:22SPEAKER- So there is genuine stuff that can go wrong there.

26:25SPEAKER- Well, yeah, I mean, usually the motors just burn out,

26:27SPEAKERright, but yeah, it's like you buy them.

26:32SPEAKERMy rule is if you use a Harbor Freight tool

26:35SPEAKERlong enough to burn it out,

26:37SPEAKERit's probably worth investing

26:38SPEAKERin a better version of that tool, right?

26:41SPEAKER- Yes.

26:43SPEAKER- And they are incredibly cheap.

26:45SPEAKERLike, okay, just to be clear,

26:48SPEAKERI would not buy a Harbor Freight tool that is used,

26:53SPEAKERlike, that's going to keep you from dying.

26:55SPEAKERLike, don't buy floor jacks from Harbor Freight.

26:59SPEAKER- Do they sell them?

27:01SPEAKER- Oh yeah.

27:01SPEAKER- Somebody's buying them?

27:02SPEAKER- Right here on the homepage.

27:03SPEAKERI would not, or if you do buy floor jacks from Harbor Freight

27:06SPEAKERput blocks under the thing that you're using to jack up

27:09SPEAKERand then lower them back down using the jack.

27:10SPEAKERDon't get under something that's only held up

27:12SPEAKERby a Harbor Freight floor jack.

27:16SPEAKER- Buying the good thing sometimes is worth it.

27:19SPEAKER- Well, yeah, but like power tools,

27:21SPEAKERthere's so many screwball one-off tools.

27:23SPEAKERLike the biscuit cutters,

27:24SPEAKERthe biscuit joiners is the exact right space

27:27SPEAKERto think about this.

27:28SPEAKER'Cause it's like something you use,

27:29SPEAKERlike I've had one for 10 years

27:31SPEAKERand I've used it for two projects, right?

27:33SPEAKERIt's really convenient when I have those two projects,

27:35SPEAKERbut it's absolutely not something I needed to spend $500

27:38SPEAKER'cause it's a really specialized tool.

27:40SPEAKERAnd like, if you get a good one,

27:41SPEAKERit's going to be really fucking expensive.

27:43SPEAKER- Right.

27:44SPEAKERFor how little you're using it,

27:46SPEAKERbuying the cheap one was totally,

27:47SPEAKERif it only lasts like three more projects and then breaks,

27:50SPEAKERlike that's fine, right?

27:51SPEAKERBecause it was so cheap.

27:52SPEAKER- Yeah, honestly, if I go to use it the next time

27:54SPEAKERand it doesn't work, I'm fine.

27:55SPEAKERI got my $35 worth out of it

27:58SPEAKERon the first project, realistically.

28:00SPEAKERLike it's okay to give somebody something that's like,

28:03SPEAKERif they want a reciprocal saw, then get them a cheap one.

28:07SPEAKERAnd if they burn that out, then maybe they can consider,

28:10SPEAKERit's a sign that they need to invest in a good one.

28:12SPEAKERSo I asked the Discord.

28:14SPEAKER- You employed a thread.

28:16SPEAKER- I deployed a thread and I gave some criteria,

28:18SPEAKERlike low cost, high value gifts that people really liked

28:23SPEAKERgetting or giving.

28:25SPEAKERAnd like the obvious stuff came up,

28:27SPEAKERthe things that we've recommended on the podcast,

28:28SPEAKERlike nanotape, people like nanotape's awesome.

28:31SPEAKER- Hey, it turns out- - Yeah, buy nanotape.

28:34SPEAKER- Still pretty good.

28:35SPEAKERI feel a little bit of guilt over my recommendation

28:37SPEAKERof like Command Strips early on in this podcast.

28:40SPEAKERAt that time, I was way into Command Strips and then-

28:42SPEAKER- Look, you didn't know.

28:43SPEAKER- I did not know.

28:44SPEAKER- You hadn't seen the light.

28:45SPEAKER- I did not know.

28:46SPEAKER- I'm going to tell you the truth.

28:47SPEAKER- The nanotape sounded too good to be true.

28:49SPEAKER- That's true.

28:49SPEAKER- It wasn't until I bought something

28:51SPEAKERthat had it on the bottom that I was like,

28:52SPEAKERthis stuff is amazing.

28:53SPEAKER- You have to be careful though with it, I have to say.

28:56SPEAKER- You can peel the plaster off the walls

28:57SPEAKERif you're not careful. - You really can.

28:59SPEAKERI, in a very, an extremely minor, not really a big deal way,

29:03SPEAKERI broke my PS5 stand because of nanotape.

29:06SPEAKER- Wait, really?

29:07SPEAKER- Last week.

29:08SPEAKER- Oh no.

29:09SPEAKER- You know how, well, you have one now.

29:10SPEAKERYou know how in horizontal position,

29:12SPEAKERhow flimsy that stand is?

29:13SPEAKER- Only weirdos use a PS5 in horizontal position.

29:16SPEAKER- I don't have room to.

29:17SPEAKER- Got it, just put it behind the TV.

29:19SPEAKER- Things like six feet tall, I can't stand that thing up.

29:22SPEAKER- Okay, okay.

29:23SPEAKER- Yeah, the stand like hangs if you pick the PS5 up,

29:25SPEAKERlike it literally hangs off the back,

29:26SPEAKERlike it's very flimsy.

29:28SPEAKER- Yeah.

29:29SPEAKER- I've been using a couple of little pieces of nanotape

29:30SPEAKERto stick it to the bottom, which is nice and sturdy.

29:33SPEAKER- Yeah.

29:34SPEAKER- But then when I needed to take the stand off,

29:37SPEAKERit was my fault.

29:38SPEAKERIt was not the nanotape's fault.

29:39SPEAKER- Oh no.

29:40SPEAKER- I just pulled from the very bottom of the stand

29:42SPEAKERwhere the disc rotates, instead of really

29:44SPEAKERwedging my fingers.

29:45SPEAKER- Right down instead of doing the, yeah.

29:46SPEAKER- So one of the little tabs that holds the spinny disc part

29:50SPEAKERof the stand on, it didn't entirely break,

29:52SPEAKERbut it's like on the verge of breaking, like it's fine.

29:55SPEAKER- Is it glueable?

29:56SPEAKER- Probably.

29:58SPEAKER- Get a little super glue on there.

30:00SPEAKER- Is it worth gluing?

30:01SPEAKERI don't know.

30:02SPEAKERLike when it's sitting, it's fine.

30:04SPEAKERIt's just when I pick it up and turn it,

30:05SPEAKERit's a little wonky, but whatever.

30:07SPEAKERAlso, you can't get a replacement PS5 stand easily,

30:09SPEAKERit turns out.

30:10SPEAKER- Really?

30:11SPEAKER- I thought that that might just be something

30:12SPEAKERthat Sony could sell you, but.

30:15SPEAKER- Did you call or did you just look at the website?

30:16SPEAKER- No, I was just Googling around.

30:17SPEAKERLike there's a bunch of very crappy knockoff,

30:20SPEAKERall the express stands.

30:21SPEAKER- I bet if you called, they'd sell you one.

30:23SPEAKER- They might.

30:24SPEAKERIt's not broken.

30:25SPEAKERIt's nowhere near broken enough to be worth that.

30:27SPEAKERAnyway, sorry.

30:28SPEAKERNanotape is good.

30:29SPEAKER- I was gonna say the nanotape I've used is always

30:30SPEAKERlike sticky on one side, like gluey on one side

30:33SPEAKERand nano on the other.

30:34SPEAKER- Oh really?

30:35SPEAKER- I haven't used the double-sided nanotape really.

30:36SPEAKER- That's what we have.

30:37SPEAKERThat's what I have on my PS5 is it's nano on both sides.

30:41SPEAKER- Huh.

30:42SPEAKER- Oh, there you go.

30:43SPEAKER- Gotta get that double nano.

30:44SPEAKERI feel like I'm gonna get a roll of the double nano

30:46SPEAKERjust so I can double double-side stuff when I need to.

30:49SPEAKER- It's great for something like that

30:50SPEAKERwhere you don't want crappy adhesive residue on your PS5

30:53SPEAKERwhen you take it off, right?

30:54SPEAKER- Oh yeah.

30:55SPEAKERWell, and it lasts forever, man.

30:56SPEAKERLike, 'cause you just take it off,

30:57SPEAKERyou kind of rinse it off and it's good to go again.

30:59SPEAKERIt's magic.

31:00SPEAKER- Pretty much, pretty much.

31:01SPEAKERUnless you stick it to something

31:02SPEAKERthat were a bunch of bits of junk come off,

31:04SPEAKERlittle bits of wood or something.

31:06SPEAKER- Nobody likes junk.

31:07SPEAKERSee another thing people like battery packs.

31:11SPEAKERThere's a whole lot going on

31:12SPEAKERin the battery pack market right now.

31:14SPEAKERThere are battery packs that will charge your laptop.

31:19SPEAKER- Yeah, I saw. - Which is bananas.

31:20SPEAKER- I saw like there, I was looking at an Anker.

31:22SPEAKERAnker, Anker?

31:24SPEAKER- Anker.

31:24SPEAKER- Are you an Anker?

31:26SPEAKER- That's, my understanding is that's how they pronounce it.

31:28SPEAKER- Okay.

31:29SPEAKERI saw an ad for one the other day that,

31:30SPEAKERfirst of all, it has a straight up wall outlet in it.

31:33SPEAKER- Yeah, 120 watts, I think is what it said, which is low.

31:36SPEAKER- And also the output,

31:37SPEAKERthe output is such that you can straight up

31:39SPEAKERrun a little laptop off of it, which is just nuts.

31:41SPEAKER- Yeah, they're doing ones that are more

31:44SPEAKERfor like disaster preparedness stuff now

31:48SPEAKERthat are bigger and have flashlights

31:50SPEAKERand stuff like that on them now.

31:51SPEAKER- Oh yeah, I think this one did have a flashlight.

31:53SPEAKERThat's awesome.

31:55SPEAKER- I think having one of those in your house

31:57SPEAKERis incredibly useful if the power goes out

31:59SPEAKERor something like that, just so you can,

32:01SPEAKERlike it gives you a way to charge your,

32:03SPEAKERyou can charge that in your car when the power is out

32:07SPEAKERand it gives you a way to charge your phone overnight

32:08SPEAKERor whatever without having to jump through a bunch of hoops

32:11SPEAKERif your power's out for awhile.

32:12SPEAKER- Yeah.

32:13SPEAKER- I would say get the Anker ones with the power IQ stuff,

32:17SPEAKERcharge everything at the full speed,

32:19SPEAKERwhich is kind of what you want.

32:20SPEAKERLike the less time you spend plugged into that thing,

32:22SPEAKERthe better off you are.

32:23SPEAKER- Yeah, I started to ask if you think that

32:25SPEAKERone of the ones with wireless charging is worth having,

32:27SPEAKERbut I think you just answered that question

32:29SPEAKERbecause like you said,

32:30SPEAKERyou wanna charge stuff as fast as possible

32:32SPEAKERand that's not the fastest way to do it.

32:33SPEAKER- Well, and the wireless charging

32:35SPEAKERreduces the efficiency a lot.

32:36SPEAKERSo you're gonna lose X percentage of,

32:39SPEAKERlike you're just piping a bunch of the energy

32:42SPEAKERthat's stored in the battery off into the ether,

32:43SPEAKERwhich if you're like just need extra charge

32:47SPEAKERat the end of your workday,

32:49SPEAKERthen yeah, it's fine to do the wireless charging.

32:51SPEAKERIf you're in a disaster situation,

32:53SPEAKERyou don't know when the power's going back on,

32:54SPEAKERyou don't wanna waste any of the juice in the battery.

32:58SPEAKERAlso, if you need that because your phone dies

33:02SPEAKERat the end of the day when you're sitting at your desk,

33:03SPEAKERjust buy a USB charge.

33:04SPEAKER- Yeah, I was gonna say if you know somebody

33:07SPEAKERwho works at home or even in an office,

33:09SPEAKERif they don't have wireless charging stand for their phone,

33:12SPEAKERthat is a great little 15, 20, $30 thing.

33:14SPEAKER- Yeah, they're really good.

33:15SPEAKERI have some of them online. - It's very useful.

33:16SPEAKERVery, very handy to have.

33:19SPEAKER- Let's see, another thing people recommended, AeroPress.

33:21SPEAKER- Yeah, there was all the coffee talk in there.

33:24SPEAKER- Look, they got into the dark side of the coffee,

33:27SPEAKERcoffee where there was talk of a bribing

33:29SPEAKERand all sorts of other strange stuff.

33:30SPEAKER- Did you say bribing?

33:32SPEAKER- It's called the brew pipe.

33:33SPEAKERIt's a little copper pipe that you put the coffee in,

33:35SPEAKERyou torch it with the water

33:37SPEAKERwhile you suck the water through it

33:38SPEAKERand you sip out of it with a cork end on a strip.

33:42SPEAKERLook, I have questions about the bribe.

33:45SPEAKER- Is this drugs?

33:47SPEAKER- It looks like drugs.

33:48SPEAKER- It sounds like drugs.

33:50SPEAKER- But the AeroPress is a...

33:52SPEAKERI've been using AeroPresses off and on.

33:54SPEAKERI don't use them all that much anymore

33:55SPEAKER'cause they don't make as much coffee as I need in the house.

33:57SPEAKERBut the AeroPress is a really good way

33:59SPEAKERto make one cup of coffee.

34:02SPEAKERAnd you should not follow the instructions

34:03SPEAKERthat come with it when you use it.

34:04SPEAKERYou should look up on the YouTube's

34:06SPEAKERhow to brew coffee with an AeroPress.

34:08SPEAKER- And follow those instructions.

34:09SPEAKER- Yeah, I do feel like whoever is the recipient

34:12SPEAKERof any kind of single serving coffee method

34:15SPEAKERneeds to be pretty serious about coffee.

34:18SPEAKER- If you're used to just hitting the button

34:20SPEAKERon the Mr. Coffee and dumping in your Folgers,

34:23SPEAKERit's gonna be a lot of work for you.

34:24SPEAKER- I mean, we have a burr grinder and a decent drip filter.

34:27SPEAKERIt's not a Mr. Coffee,

34:29SPEAKERbut we definitely are fall out of bed

34:31SPEAKERand press the button on the machine, people.

34:33SPEAKER- Do you grind the coffee the night before?

34:35SPEAKER- Yes, which I know is not ideal.

34:37SPEAKER- Yeah, I see.

34:38SPEAKER- Well, look, I'm not gonna judge you.

34:40SPEAKER- When it's my responsibility to make the coffee,

34:44SPEAKERbut then the other party is getting up at 5 a.m.

34:46SPEAKERto go to work, I'm grinding the night before.

34:50SPEAKER- Fair, fair. - Does that make sense?

34:52SPEAKER- Yeah, when your cohabitant wakes up at the wee hours

34:56SPEAKERand wants a cuppa.

34:57SPEAKER- But it's the expectation

34:58SPEAKERthat I am going to have that ready.

35:00SPEAKER- Yeah. - I'm gonna do it

35:01SPEAKERthe night before.

35:02SPEAKERI mean, is it really that bad?

35:04SPEAKER- No, it doesn't.

35:05SPEAKERI mean, look, it's fine.

35:07SPEAKER- Yeah.

35:08SPEAKER- Yeah, you're losing a little bit, but who cares?

35:10SPEAKERLike, you're also not getting woken up

35:11SPEAKERat 4.40 in the morning to make the coffee.

35:13SPEAKER- Yeah, the main thing I would say is just like,

35:15SPEAKERdon't give elaborate coffee-making stuff like this

35:17SPEAKERto somebody unless you know for sure they're down for it,

35:19SPEAKERbecause like, it's possible.

35:20SPEAKERLike, I bought one of the cone filters a few years ago

35:23SPEAKERand then kind of found that I wasn't really down

35:26SPEAKERfor the labor involved in pour over.

35:29SPEAKER- Yeah, I mean, look, me making a cup of coffee

35:32SPEAKERis about a six-minute process if I have the water warm.

35:36SPEAKER- Okay.

35:37SPEAKER- It's like, I have to have, it's taken me a long time

35:39SPEAKERto get that to a six-minute process, right?

35:41SPEAKER- Right, right.

35:42SPEAKERActually, it wasn't just the labor.

35:43SPEAKERI also was just bad at it.

35:44SPEAKERLike, the amount of sediment I was getting

35:46SPEAKERwas like overwhelming and stuff like that.

35:48SPEAKERSo like, it's a definite commitment.

35:50SPEAKER- Well, there's a skill.

35:51SPEAKERAnd also, people's coffee taste varies dramatically.

35:54SPEAKERLike, the thing that we often talked about

35:57SPEAKERwhen I was doing a lot of coffee stuff at Tested

35:58SPEAKERis that the kind of coffee brewing technique

36:01SPEAKERthat people like is basically what they grew up with, right?

36:04SPEAKERLike, what their parents had.

36:05SPEAKERSo if your parents were percolator people,

36:07SPEAKERyou probably like a really heavy, heavy cup

36:09SPEAKERwith a lot of body and a lot of stuff happening in there.

36:12SPEAKERIf you were a filter, drip filter people,

36:14SPEAKERyou like a lighter coffee.

36:17SPEAKERIf you put cream and sugar in it, who knows what you like,

36:19SPEAKERbecause you can't really taste the coffee.

36:24SPEAKERSo like, what they like is gonna change based on that.

36:26SPEAKERIf you don't know what they like,

36:28SPEAKERbut you know they like to do pour overs,

36:29SPEAKERyou can get them a pour over kettle,

36:30SPEAKERbut that gets out of the inexpensive

36:32SPEAKERand into the like, the 100 bucks range pretty quickly.

36:35SPEAKER- You know what is coffee related

36:37SPEAKERand is squarely in that inexpensive realm?

36:40SPEAKER- What, Brad?

36:41SPEAKER- A heated coaster, a heated pad, a heated-

36:45SPEAKER- Oh, like a warmer.

36:47SPEAKER- Coffee warmer, coffee cup warmer.

36:49SPEAKER- I've never had one of those.

36:50SPEAKER- I have one right here.

36:51SPEAKER- Do you use it?

36:52SPEAKER- Yeah, I'm using it right now.

36:53SPEAKER- Oh, does it work?

36:54SPEAKER- Yeah.

36:56SPEAKERIt generates heat, warms the coffee cup,

36:58SPEAKERand therefore the coffee within.

37:00SPEAKER- Does it keep the coffee hot or just from getting cold?

37:05SPEAKER- Warm enough, for sure.

37:06SPEAKER- Okay, drinkable.

37:07SPEAKER- Yeah, definitely.

37:08SPEAKER- That's a good one.

37:09SPEAKER- It was under 20 bucks.

37:10SPEAKERLike I don't even, I couldn't even tell you the brand.

37:12SPEAKERI mean, there were like,

37:13SPEAKERit was one of those things where there are three of them

37:15SPEAKERthat are identical on Amazon, all in different brands.

37:17SPEAKERLike it's that situation.

37:18SPEAKERI'm sure you can get,

37:19SPEAKERI think there are like Mr. Coffee branded ones

37:21SPEAKERif you want to buy like a name you've heard of,

37:24SPEAKERbut they're like 20, 25 bucks for, you know,

37:27SPEAKERsome basic temperature control, nothing fancy.

37:29SPEAKERYou're not like, you're not punching at a number,

37:32SPEAKERbut it'll have like two modes of like hot and hotter.

37:35SPEAKER- Does it plug into the wall

37:36SPEAKERor in the back of the computer?

37:36SPEAKER- Yes, there are USB powered ones, but I didn't want to.

37:40SPEAKER- Seems risky.

37:41SPEAKER- Yeah, I would rather go into the mains.

37:45SPEAKER- I have some friends who will remain nameless,

37:47SPEAKERwho have those stupid Ember mugs,

37:50SPEAKERthe ones that-

37:51SPEAKER- You literally wrote stupid mugs in the show notes,

37:53SPEAKERand I figured there was a story.

37:55SPEAKER- Look, so yeah, a few years ago,

37:57SPEAKERthey're really, they're like 150 or 200 bucks.

37:59SPEAKERThey're really expensive.

38:00SPEAKER- Dang.

38:01SPEAKER- They have a battery built in

38:02SPEAKERand it uses inductive charging.

38:04SPEAKERAnd since it's supposed to be washable,

38:06SPEAKERand I assume the dishwasher, but maybe just by hand,

38:08SPEAKERit's all completely sealed.

38:10SPEAKERSo like, once the battery goes, the thing is useless.

38:12SPEAKER- Yes.

38:13SPEAKER- And like, after talking to Kyle a couple of weeks ago,

38:16SPEAKERI just want nothing to do with that.

38:17SPEAKER- Yeah, I remember when those got popular

38:19SPEAKERwhen they first came out and I,

38:21SPEAKERthose things really raised my hackles

38:23SPEAKERabout combining an everyday item

38:24SPEAKERwith something that is very expendable or prone to failure.

38:28SPEAKER- You get turning a thing

38:29SPEAKERthat you should be able to use for,

38:30SPEAKERthe most of a lifetime into a consumable

38:34SPEAKERfeels really icky to me.

38:35SPEAKER- Something that might die in 18 months or two years.

38:37SPEAKERYes, that's, ugh, no.

38:40SPEAKER- Another thing that people recommended

38:42SPEAKERis something that I had coincidentally already ordered

38:44SPEAKERlast week to set up my new desk,

38:47SPEAKERbut these Grid-It cable organizers.

38:49SPEAKER- Yes.

38:50SPEAKER- They have 3M sticky stuff on one side.

38:52SPEAKER- Grid-It.

38:53SPEAKER- I'll show you, they're stuck together right now, hold on.

38:56SPEAKER- I assume that's a brand, it's Grid-It.

38:58SPEAKER- I believe that is a brand, yes.

39:00SPEAKERGrid-It.

39:02SPEAKER- As you, as you.

39:04SPEAKER- They're super stuck, I didn't anticipate this.

39:06SPEAKER- As you yank and tug on whatever you're doing there.

39:08SPEAKER- Yeah, this is, well.

39:10SPEAKER- I will say.

39:11SPEAKER- So they've got these channels

39:14SPEAKERand in between the channels, you put your cables.

39:17SPEAKER- Oh, so this sits on a desk and just kind of routes cables?

39:20SPEAKER- Well, you stick them up,

39:20SPEAKERthe idea is you stick them up underneath the desk

39:23SPEAKERand then they route your,

39:25SPEAKERthey'll hold the cables in place, even upside down.

39:27SPEAKER- Okay.

39:28SPEAKER- So those look a little more modular than the,

39:30SPEAKERI've got these very old IKEA kind of metal.

39:34SPEAKERI can't remember the,

39:35SPEAKERwe've talked about stuff like that before,

39:36SPEAKERbut I will say in general,

39:39SPEAKERcable management is a gift you give yourself,

39:41SPEAKERlet alone give to someone else.

39:43SPEAKER- Like, yeah, I mean, look, it might be,

39:45SPEAKERif you've given your friend grief

39:46SPEAKERabout their cable management sitch,

39:48SPEAKERmaybe don't do cable management.

39:49SPEAKER- Well, no, but I'm saying is that you cannot overstate

39:53SPEAKERthe value of cleaning up your workspace.

39:54SPEAKERI mean, like, I know some people have a higher tolerance

39:57SPEAKERfor clutter than others, mine is very low,

39:59SPEAKERbut I don't think there's anybody that would not benefit

40:03SPEAKERfrom organizing and tidying just a bit.

40:05SPEAKER- Yeah, there you go.

40:07SPEAKERSo you want to go down,

40:08SPEAKERlike we each also made some lists of things that we liked?

40:11SPEAKER- Yeah, sure.

40:13SPEAKERI will, so let me preface this by saying,

40:15SPEAKERlike, I am terrible to buy gifts for

40:17SPEAKER'cause I can't ever tell anybody what I want.

40:19SPEAKERLike, honestly, I can't remember the last time

40:22SPEAKERI got a Christmas gift from somebody

40:23SPEAKERbecause I've just been telling people for years,

40:24SPEAKERlike, don't buy me stuff.

40:25SPEAKERLike, I don't, there's nothing I need, it's cool.

40:30SPEAKERLet's just hang out, let's go out to eat.

40:32SPEAKER- Well, like I, so I find that like,

40:38SPEAKERwell, I mean, you don't play board games,

40:39SPEAKERbut like board games are a good one, I find often.

40:42SPEAKER- If there's like a category of thing that people like

40:44SPEAKERwhere you can get new ones that are slightly different,

40:46SPEAKERthen yeah, that works.

40:47SPEAKER- Yeah, I bought a set of these L.L. Bean sleep pants

40:50SPEAKERearlier this year, they're kind of expensive at 50 bucks,

40:54SPEAKERbut they're flannel and they're always the right temperature.

40:57SPEAKERYou know how sometimes like your flannel pants

40:59SPEAKERare too hot or they're not hot enough?

41:00SPEAKER- I started to say, is it cold enough down there for flannel?

41:03SPEAKERBut I guess this is the magic flannel.

41:04SPEAKER- Always cold enough for flannel, it's really,

41:08SPEAKERit's always wet in Pacifica.

41:09SPEAKER- Sure. - Yeah.

41:11SPEAKERThe thing we talked about last year a little bit

41:13SPEAKERwere the Uniqlo fleecy sweatpants,

41:15SPEAKERand those things are too hot.

41:17SPEAKERIt has to be cold to wear those.

41:19SPEAKER- Sure. - They'll make my legs

41:20SPEAKERget warm. - Yes.

41:22SPEAKER- But they're awesome if you live someplace cold.

41:24SPEAKER- Yeah, that I believe.

41:26SPEAKER- I like a key chain pry bar.

41:30SPEAKERI used to always carry a pocket knife or a multi-tool,

41:32SPEAKERand then I stopped doing that

41:33SPEAKER'cause I was getting on airplanes a lot

41:34SPEAKERand donated a couple of Leatherman to the TSA.

41:38SPEAKER- I wonder where those end up.

41:39SPEAKER- They go into some destruction thing by reports.

41:43SPEAKERThat's what I was told.

41:44SPEAKER- That's a shame.

41:45SPEAKERThat's a shame.

41:47SPEAKERI know actually, well, I can't say for sure,

41:49SPEAKERbut I know back home at the state and county level,

41:52SPEAKERthey would auction off stuff that was like impounded

41:54SPEAKERand confiscated.

41:55SPEAKERThat's how I ended up with Joey the Knife

41:57SPEAKERthat people may remember from the early WhiskeyMedia days.

42:00SPEAKER- You got Joey the Knife at a TSA impound?

42:03SPEAKER- Not TSA, but my dad bought it

42:04SPEAKERat a police auction of like impounded.

42:08SPEAKERSomebody lost Joey, somebody probably named Joey,

42:11SPEAKERlost Joey in some kind of police altercation.

42:13SPEAKER- Wow.

42:15SPEAKERBut yeah, so the key chain pry bar is a tool

42:18SPEAKERthat exists solely so you don't use your keys

42:20SPEAKERto do things that you shouldn't use keys for,

42:22SPEAKERlike prying shit apart.

42:24SPEAKERThe one I like is the Gerber mini shard.

42:26SPEAKERIt's like seven bucks.

42:28SPEAKER- Is that different from,

42:29SPEAKERso I've always heard it as just Gerber shard.

42:31SPEAKERIs the mini shard a different model?

42:32SPEAKER- I think the mini shard is the official name.

42:34SPEAKER- Oh, okay.

42:35SPEAKERSo it's, okay, that's the one.

42:36SPEAKER- But yeah, basically it's like a three

42:38SPEAKERand a half inch long piece of steel.

42:41SPEAKER- It has no moving parts.

42:42SPEAKER- No moving parts, nothing sharp.

42:44SPEAKERIt has a bottle opener.

42:46SPEAKERIt has a little bit of a flat screwdriver.

42:48SPEAKERIt has a terrible Phillips screwdriver

42:50SPEAKERthat if you need, like if you don't have

42:53SPEAKERa Phillips screwdriver and you need a Phillips screwdriver,

42:55SPEAKERit's the best thing ever,

42:56SPEAKERbut otherwise you should never ever use it.

42:57SPEAKER- Yeah, it takes forever to unscrew stuff.

43:00SPEAKER- I mean, you gotta take it off your key chain

43:02SPEAKERand it's just a process.

43:04SPEAKERBut the main thing is the big flat pry wedge

43:07SPEAKERwith a nail puller and you can get,

43:09SPEAKERI've gotten nails out of there.

43:10SPEAKERI've pried stuff apart that needed to be pried.

43:12SPEAKERIt's a really useful thing.

43:14SPEAKER- Apparently it has a wire stripper on it

43:15SPEAKERaccording to their site.

43:17SPEAKER- That's in the inside of the nail puller thing, yeah.

43:18SPEAKER- Yeah, it's pretty handy.

43:20SPEAKER- And so I have a flight days after the time

43:22SPEAKERof this recording and I've never flown with mine before.

43:26SPEAKER- I've flown with mine a bazillion times.

43:27SPEAKER- So it's definitely 100% TSA approved.

43:30SPEAKER- I mean, look, what is TSA approved

43:33SPEAKERand what is not TSA approved is always ultimately

43:35SPEAKERup to the discretion of the person at the gate.

43:37SPEAKER- Extremely true.

43:38SPEAKER- Yeah, so, but I mean, worst case you lose it,

43:40SPEAKERyou're out seven bucks is the way I look at it

43:42SPEAKERversus minimum of like 30 for a Leatherman, so.

43:45SPEAKER- There's nothing on there that qualifies as a blade, right?

43:48SPEAKER- Assuming you don't sharpen up the front bits, no.

43:51SPEAKER- But you could use that point as a box opener maybe?

43:55SPEAKERLook, maybe I've...

43:57SPEAKER- The wire cutter thing, if you get it in,

43:59SPEAKERif you get the tape into the sharp part of the wire cutter,

44:01SPEAKERit's perfect for opening boxes.

44:02SPEAKER- I see, interesting.

44:04SPEAKER- But it would also be very hard to stab someone with.

44:06SPEAKER- Yes, yes.

44:07SPEAKER- Way less deadly than say a pen.

44:10SPEAKER- Like I think my parents gave me my shard in a stocking,

44:14SPEAKERlike quite literally, like it is the perfect stocking stuffer.

44:17SPEAKER- Exactly, it's perfect for that.

44:20SPEAKERAnker, like pads for key devices or MagSafe chargers

44:24SPEAKERfor people who have iPhone 12s and newer are awesome.

44:27SPEAKERLike a lot of people don't realize

44:28SPEAKERthat their phones are contactless,

44:30SPEAKERespecially if you've not been paying attention

44:31SPEAKERto the newer phones.

44:33SPEAKER- Yeah.

44:34SPEAKER- And having just setting the phone down

44:36SPEAKERon the thing at nighttime and letting it charge

44:37SPEAKERis a lovely upgrade.

44:39SPEAKER- Yeah, it's probably worth,

44:40SPEAKERif you're gonna buy that for somebody,

44:41SPEAKERit's probably worth looking into what their case situation is

44:43SPEAKER'cause people that have like the big fat cases

44:45SPEAKERthat put all their say credit cards

44:47SPEAKERand ID and stuff in there,

44:48SPEAKERor what are the little pop disc things

44:51SPEAKERthat people use for grip? - Oh yeah, the pop sockets.

44:53SPEAKER- Pop sockets, stuff like,

44:53SPEAKERstuff that mounts on the back of a phone case

44:55SPEAKERwill probably prevent them from using a wireless charger.

44:58SPEAKER- Yeah, if you have a big magnetic pad

45:00SPEAKERin between your case and your phone

45:03SPEAKERso that you can use like a magnetic holder in your car

45:05SPEAKERor something like that, that'll block it too.

45:07SPEAKER- Yeah.

45:09SPEAKER- Socks?

45:10SPEAKER- Yeah.

45:11SPEAKER- Man.

45:12SPEAKER(laughing)

45:13SPEAKER- I've said that this is one of the most profound,

45:15SPEAKERI'm an adult now moments of my life

45:17SPEAKERwas realizing that I had gotten to the point

45:18SPEAKERwhere I enjoyed getting socks and underwear for Christmas.

45:21SPEAKER- Let me tell you, man,

45:23SPEAKERif you buy a pair of $25 smart wool socks for someone,

45:26SPEAKERyou are going to make a friend for life.

45:28SPEAKER- Yeah, that good.

45:31SPEAKER- Their high-end socks are these,

45:33SPEAKERthey call them mountaineering socks.

45:35SPEAKERAnd they're, I assume for like people

45:36SPEAKERwho are climbing Everest and stuff like that,

45:39SPEAKERthey're like a half an inch thick, right?

45:41SPEAKER- Okay.

45:42SPEAKERThey're basically like a slipper that ensconces your feet.

45:45SPEAKERYou probably don't wear them with shoes on,

45:47SPEAKERmaybe with slippers, I don't know.

45:48SPEAKER- It's like you need a shoe a half a size too big

45:50SPEAKERto fit them in there.

45:51SPEAKER- You need a big old chunky shoe to work these,

45:54SPEAKERbut they're so cozy and warm and it's like winter day,

45:58SPEAKERyou're having some hot chocolate,

46:00SPEAKERjust for outside in the snow,

46:01SPEAKERyou come back and you pull those things on,

46:02SPEAKERyou put on your fleece sleep pants

46:04SPEAKERand you're gonna cozy right up.

46:07SPEAKER- Do you ever wish, I mean,

46:09SPEAKERanybody that listens to the show from say,

46:12SPEAKERlike Minneapolis or Chicago is probably going to throw things

46:14SPEAKERat their phone or speaker right now,

46:17SPEAKERbut do you ever wish you lived in a colder environment

46:20SPEAKERso you could do more fun cold weather stuff?

46:22SPEAKER- I miss it, yeah.

46:23SPEAKER- I super do, I super like wish I had a reason to bundle up

46:26SPEAKERand build a fire and like wear an overcoat

46:29SPEAKERand stuff like that.

46:30SPEAKER- We're gonna go to snow this winter

46:32SPEAKER'cause the kiddo hasn't been in a long time.

46:34SPEAKER- Yeah, that's the thing to do.

46:36SPEAKERBut then talk to people who live in those places

46:39SPEAKERabout shoveling snow and then you'll feel better

46:42SPEAKERpretty quickly.

46:42SPEAKER- Get a snowblower.

46:43SPEAKERGina and I put our, like Gina did the New York Times,

46:47SPEAKERwhere should you live quiz thing the other day

46:49SPEAKER'cause they did the, here are the criteria

46:51SPEAKERfor all the different places that like,

46:53SPEAKERyeah, you put in what you like.

46:55SPEAKERAnd eight of the 10 were in Minnesota, so.

47:00SPEAKER- Wow, geez.

47:02SPEAKER- I gotta find out what the fiber situation in Minnesota is.

47:06SPEAKERLet's see, the other thing, I got a fountain pen this year,

47:08SPEAKERsomebody gave me a fountain pen and it's--

47:10SPEAKER- I was kind of excited to get to your bullet point

47:12SPEAKERabout fountain pens because I want to know,

47:15SPEAKERI wanna hear your pitch.

47:16SPEAKER- It feels really good to write.

47:18SPEAKER- Yeah, does it really?

47:19SPEAKER- Everybody says that, but it just kind of glides across.

47:22SPEAKERLike you don't, there's no pressure, there's no pushing.

47:25SPEAKERIt just kind of, like you just kind of float it

47:27SPEAKERjust above the pen, above the paper.

47:30SPEAKERAnd it makes really lovely ink marks

47:32SPEAKERwithout a whole lot of, like I'm right-handed, so.

47:35SPEAKER- Well, you can't see it, but yeah.

47:37SPEAKER- Yeah, it's green screen.

47:38SPEAKER- Background removal is killing that.

47:39SPEAKERCan I see the pen again?

47:40SPEAKER- Yeah, this is--

47:42SPEAKER- Does it feel scratchy?

47:43SPEAKERI've always, I've always thought--

47:45SPEAKER- If you're pushing too hard, I think it feels scratchy.

47:47SPEAKER- I always thought that a fountain pen,

47:48SPEAKERI've never used one, would feel like

47:49SPEAKERa little too nails on chalkboard scratchy

47:52SPEAKERwhen you're writing with it.

47:53SPEAKER- Well, so the fountain pen experience I had before

47:55SPEAKERwas always like the manual kind

47:57SPEAKERthat you have to suck the ink up into

47:58SPEAKERand then you push them back down.

48:00SPEAKER- Which frankly is kind of what I was envisioning here

48:02SPEAKERuntil you showed me your much more kind of space age one.

48:05SPEAKER- Well, so yeah, this one uses,

48:06SPEAKERthe modern ones use these cartridges, oh shit,

48:09SPEAKERyou can't see that, but it's basically like a big,

48:11SPEAKERit's a big tube of ink and you jam it in

48:13SPEAKERwhen you screw the cap on, then it punctures it

48:16SPEAKERand it then starts running down.

48:18SPEAKERThe cap seal pretty well,

48:19SPEAKERso I don't think I'm gonna have leakage problems,

48:21SPEAKERI don't know.

48:22SPEAKER- How do you store it once the ink is breached like that?

48:25SPEAKER- Put it on my desk.

48:26SPEAKER- Do you store it upside down?

48:28SPEAKER- No, it just works itself out.

48:30SPEAKERI don't know, capillary action, something, magic.

48:33SPEAKER- Ink does not go everywhere?

48:34SPEAKER- The ink doesn't go everywhere.

48:36SPEAKER- Okay.

48:38SPEAKER- And then the last one is

48:39SPEAKERlike a really good set of screwdrivers.

48:41SPEAKERLike--

48:42SPEAKER- Are we talking electronic screwdrivers?

48:44SPEAKER- I mean, it depends on the person, right?

48:46SPEAKERLike everybody needs screwdrivers though,

48:48SPEAKERlike small set of screwdrivers with all the torques

48:51SPEAKERand the Phillips head and like the,

48:54SPEAKERif you think about the most common,

48:56SPEAKERit's like a standard Phillips, torques and hex.

48:59SPEAKERAnd if you give somebody a set that has those five things

49:02SPEAKERand they can do a lot of stuff,

49:04SPEAKERI like the iFixit ones with the spinny tops,

49:07SPEAKERbut there's a bunch of other good sets out there too.

49:09SPEAKER- Yeah, they're all over Amazon these days.

49:11SPEAKEROne of the nice benefits of those things

49:12SPEAKERis you start to, by osmosis,

49:14SPEAKERabsorb some of the kind of official specifications

49:18SPEAKERfor those different, what's the term, bits?

49:22SPEAKER- Yeah.

49:23SPEAKER- Like, you know, like a double zero or like a wide--

49:26SPEAKER- Oh, the sizes, yeah.

49:27SPEAKER- Sizes and configurations.

49:29SPEAKERLike, oh, this is a tri-wing.

49:30SPEAKERLike, oh, this is a double zero.

49:31SPEAKERThis is a, there's a quadruple zero, right?

49:33SPEAKER- Only Nintendo uses the tri-wing.

49:35SPEAKERThe quadruple zero is a small, super small torques,

49:38SPEAKERI think, right? - Right, right.

49:38SPEAKERBut that's a, you know, and like a good set like that

49:41SPEAKERwill have them all laid out and labeled

49:42SPEAKERso you can kind of like just stare at them

49:44SPEAKERand get some sense of what's what.

49:46SPEAKERLike--

49:47SPEAKER- There's even sizes on Phillips.

49:48SPEAKER- Right, like it's, I'll say this,

49:50SPEAKERlike it's super nice to go to like an iFixit guide

49:52SPEAKERor something and where they say like,

49:53SPEAKERoh, you need this screwdriver and this one at these sizes

49:56SPEAKERand you just open your big foldy case thing

49:58SPEAKERand they're all right there and you just pluck them out.

50:00SPEAKER- You're much less likely to round out a screw too

50:03SPEAKERif you use the right size head driver, yeah.

50:08SPEAKER- I jotted a few down here.

50:11SPEAKEROne thing we have is a charging station,

50:14SPEAKERwhich might conjure the image of something

50:18SPEAKERwith a lot of electronics in it,

50:19SPEAKERbut ours is literally just a piece of furniture.

50:20SPEAKERI mean, it's like a, it's all like bamboo.

50:23SPEAKERIt's basically two pieces of bamboo with magnets

50:25SPEAKERso the top comes off, it's hollow inside

50:28SPEAKERand you run cables for, it's basically slotted

50:31SPEAKERand kind of shelved.

50:33SPEAKER- Oh, so like the device is slotted in vertically?

50:35SPEAKER- Kind of, yes.

50:37SPEAKERSo ours, I mean, they're all different configurations

50:38SPEAKERout there, but ours is essentially sort of two tablet slots,

50:41SPEAKERlike two slots in the back that are iPad size

50:44SPEAKERand then in the front,

50:45SPEAKERthree little segmented spots for phones.

50:47SPEAKER- Oh, okay.

50:49SPEAKER- And there are a bunch of little holes

50:50SPEAKERand like routing internally,

50:52SPEAKERthere's a big hole in the back

50:53SPEAKERand you just route cables through

50:54SPEAKERand out these little holes in the front.

50:56SPEAKERSo you can plug all your phones and tablets and stuff

50:59SPEAKERall in at the same time.

50:59SPEAKERSo the big point is that it hides all the cable mess.

51:01SPEAKER- That's awesome.

51:02SPEAKER- Like we have it on an end table, like console table

51:05SPEAKERwith all the cables just invisibly running down behind it

51:08SPEAKERinto a surge protector.

51:09SPEAKER- What do you do for charging controllers, Brad?

51:12SPEAKER- I typically just plug those into the front of the consoles

51:15SPEAKERlike a Philistine.

51:17SPEAKERI actually--

51:18SPEAKER- And just hide them until they're charged.

51:19SPEAKER- I don't have a, yeah, I just like,

51:20SPEAKERI use one until, I don't run them all the way down,

51:23SPEAKERI run them like halfway down.

51:25SPEAKER- Okay.

51:25SPEAKER- I usually, at least on the PS5 until,

51:28SPEAKERlike when I hit one bar on a controller

51:30SPEAKERis when I plug it in.

51:31SPEAKER- Okay.

51:32SPEAKER- But I just grab a cable out of the drawer

51:34SPEAKERand stick it in front of the console.

51:36SPEAKERWhy do you, do you have a--

51:37SPEAKER- No, I kind of wondered 'cause like with all the kids

51:40SPEAKERand with the kiddo stuff and like three consoles

51:43SPEAKERin the living room, again, we are faced with a problem.

51:45SPEAKER- Sure, yeah, that's not a bad gift idea, actually.

51:49SPEAKERThere's all kinds of charging stand options.

51:51SPEAKERLike Sony makes an official PS5 controller charging stand.

51:54SPEAKERI think Microsoft has something similar.

51:56SPEAKER- Yeah.

51:57SPEAKER- Except that you'd also have to buy

51:58SPEAKERthe rechargeable battery kit for the Xbox.

52:00SPEAKER- Well, yeah, I use Eneloops in the Xbox controllers,

52:02SPEAKERbut the PS5, like I need something that does a PS5

52:06SPEAKERand I guess the Switch Pro controllers,

52:08SPEAKERthose are the two that end up getting used the most here.

52:10SPEAKER- I wouldn't be surprised if there's some like combo

52:13SPEAKERstands out there, like from like Madcast

52:15SPEAKERor somebody like that.

52:16SPEAKER- I mean, they're both USB-C, right?

52:17SPEAKER- Yes, actually now that you mention it, yes.

52:21SPEAKEROh, retractable cables while we're here.

52:24SPEAKERRetractable cables are still going strong

52:26SPEAKERand we kind of have been advocating them for years.

52:29SPEAKER- Yeah, I want something that like is a base

52:31SPEAKERthat I can just retract the cables back into when I'm done.

52:33SPEAKER- So that's kind of what this charge stand is like

52:36SPEAKERthat I was talking about, that bamboo thing we have,

52:37SPEAKERbecause the cables don't poke out.

52:39SPEAKERThey are like, there's just enough give on them

52:41SPEAKERto kind of pull them up out of the hole and plug them in,

52:43SPEAKERbut then you set the phone back down

52:45SPEAKERand the cable kind of disappears underneath it.

52:47SPEAKER- That sounds awesome.

52:48SPEAKER- So we routinely will have like both iPads,

52:50SPEAKERa Kindle and two phones charging on that station

52:52SPEAKERall at the same time and there's like no visible cables.

52:54SPEAKERIt's super tidy.

52:55SPEAKER- That sounds rad.

52:59SPEAKER- What else do we have here?

53:00SPEAKERWe talked a little bit about disaster preparedness stuff.

53:03SPEAKERI feel like in these times it's not the worst idea

53:06SPEAKERto have a little extra stuff around.

53:09SPEAKERYou mentioned like having a flashlight is cool.

53:11SPEAKERI mean, other than having one probably on a battery bank

53:13SPEAKERis the way to go.

53:14SPEAKERI don't think a hand crank is necessarily super useful.

53:18SPEAKER- I like having a headlamp and a flashlight,

53:21SPEAKERbut part of that's due to dog walking and part of it's like,

53:25SPEAKERI mean, we always also always have a bazillion

53:27SPEAKERdouble A's and triple A's around.

53:28SPEAKERSo it's like less of a problem.

53:29SPEAKER- My dad always swore by surefire flashlights.

53:32SPEAKERI can't, that's the sum total of my experience

53:36SPEAKERwith that brand is through him.

53:37SPEAKERSo I can't speak to other options.

53:40SPEAKER- So I've had really good luck buying anything,

53:43SPEAKERanybody that uses Cree bulbs for flashlights.

53:45SPEAKER- Okay.

53:48SPEAKER- That's basically my criteria for when I buy,

53:50SPEAKERwhat flashlights I buy.

53:51SPEAKERAnd I want stuff that uses normal batteries,

53:53SPEAKERnot weird lithium batteries.

53:55SPEAKER- Yeah, that is a downside of the surefire stuff

53:57SPEAKERis it's a specific battery you have to get.

54:00SPEAKERI think we talked about this

54:01SPEAKERon the disaster preparedness episode ages ago,

54:03SPEAKERbut like a hand crank radio,

54:04SPEAKERlike the one I have has a flashlight built into it.

54:06SPEAKERIt has a little battery that'll charge slowly

54:08SPEAKERas you crank it.

54:11SPEAKER- We got one a few years ago for giving money to NPR

54:14SPEAKERthat has a little solar panel on the top

54:16SPEAKERthat'll charge it too.

54:17SPEAKER- Yeah, this also has that, yeah.

54:18SPEAKER- Yeah, that's pretty useful.

54:20SPEAKER- Some stuff like that to have around, I think is nice.

54:23SPEAKERThere's a couple suggestions out of that gift channel

54:26SPEAKERthat I enjoyed.

54:27SPEAKERWe have a weighted blanket,

54:29SPEAKERbut I can't overstate how nice a weighted blanket is.

54:33SPEAKER- I've never had a weighted blanket.

54:34SPEAKERWhat's the-

54:36SPEAKER- It's just comforting.

54:37SPEAKERI don't know how to explain it.

54:39SPEAKER- Just like ASMR for your body?

54:41SPEAKER- Kind of, yeah.

54:43SPEAKERI don't know how to,

54:44SPEAKERthere's probably some like infant psychology swaddling

54:48SPEAKERkind of instinct thing going on there

54:50SPEAKERthat just feels like, honestly, it's pretty calming.

54:54SPEAKERLike, especially if you're kind of an anxious sleeper,

54:57SPEAKERif you're a light sleeper,

54:59SPEAKERhave a hard time falling asleep

55:01SPEAKERor going back to sleep when you wake up.

55:04SPEAKER- I like a lot of blankets on the back.

55:06SPEAKERI like a heavy blanket load.

55:08SPEAKER- It can get hot.

55:09SPEAKERI will say that if-

55:12SPEAKER- Never too warm.

55:13SPEAKER- If, wow, really?

55:14SPEAKER- I'm always cold brown.

55:15SPEAKER- No, really?

55:16SPEAKER- Yeah, it's awful.

55:17SPEAKER- I'm kidding, I am a hot sleeper.

55:18SPEAKERI can't.

55:19SPEAKER- No, no, it can never be like,

55:22SPEAKERgive me a down blanket and a wool blanket on top of that.

55:24SPEAKERI'm good to go.

55:25SPEAKER- Okay, you should absolutely get a weighted blanket then.

55:27SPEAKER- Okay, putting it on the list.

55:29SPEAKER- It's pretty nice.

55:32SPEAKERThe last thing I pulled out of that gift channel

55:34SPEAKERis a little plastic U-shaped knife scrubber.

55:39SPEAKER- Okay, I'm gonna,

55:40SPEAKERI don't know how I feel about this one.

55:42SPEAKER- You were already throwing some shade before this episode

55:44SPEAKERand I'm just gonna expect it to continue here.

55:47SPEAKERBut we're still in the world

55:49SPEAKERwhere our dishwasher has not been fixed yet.

55:51SPEAKERSo we're doing dishes by hand right now.

55:53SPEAKERAnd I am terrible at,

55:55SPEAKERwe have some pretty nice sharp knives

55:59SPEAKERand I am terrible at washing the sharp knives.

56:01SPEAKERLike I have cut myself before.

56:03SPEAKEREvery time I do it, I think I'm gonna cut myself.

56:05SPEAKERLike it leads to me very gingerly sort of swiping up the

56:09SPEAKERblade with the sponge over and over, which takes forever.

56:14SPEAKER- So all you do is you hold the blade away from you

56:17SPEAKERand you take, oh, hold on.

56:18SPEAKERDo you have hand sponges?

56:20SPEAKER- Yes.

56:21SPEAKERWell, so we'd actually use,

56:23SPEAKERwe're using a thing now

56:24SPEAKERthat's like this little mesh cloth kind of thing.

56:28SPEAKER- Okay.

56:28SPEAKER- But it's, you know, in function

56:30SPEAKERand you use it very similarly to a sponge.

56:33SPEAKER- Okay, so we buy these,

56:34SPEAKERwe have this wand thing that a sponge,

56:37SPEAKERit's like a little plastic thing

56:39SPEAKERthat you jam the soap into.

56:41SPEAKERAnd then the soap comes through the sponge and you just,

56:44SPEAKERit's like got a handle for the sponge basically.

56:46SPEAKER- We've got one of those.

56:47SPEAKERWe just don't ever use it.

56:48SPEAKER- Well then with that,

56:49SPEAKERmy hand's never near the sharp, sharp cutting bits.

56:51SPEAKER- I should probably try that.

56:53SPEAKERAnyway, this thing is a little,

56:55SPEAKERa little U shaped piece of plastic with bristles

56:57SPEAKERon the inside of the U.

57:00SPEAKERSo it's kind of a slot.

57:01SPEAKERIt's like a little slotted brush where you just stick the

57:03SPEAKERblade into the slot and then you, I don't know.

57:05SPEAKERWhy are you so skeptical?

57:07SPEAKER- No, no, no, no.

57:08SPEAKERLike I gotta say, I hadn't really,

57:11SPEAKERlike I never, I was always a sponge guy.

57:13SPEAKERI was never really a brush guy for the washing of the dishes

57:15SPEAKERuntil fairly recently.

57:17SPEAKERSo I would just work on it with like the scotch brats,

57:19SPEAKERbright side of the sponge, really,

57:21SPEAKERreally hard for a long time.

57:22SPEAKERAnd then once I got a brush, I was like, oh,

57:24SPEAKERthis is infinitely easier than the way I was doing this

57:26SPEAKERbefore.

57:27SPEAKER- Sure.

57:28SPEAKERWait, hang on.

57:29SPEAKERAlso, y'all have a working dishwasher, right?

57:31SPEAKER- Yeah, of course.

57:32SPEAKER- Do you just?

57:32SPEAKER- We like make scrambled eggs and they get stuck on the pan

57:35SPEAKERor something.

57:36SPEAKER- Yeah, that's fair.

57:37SPEAKERWhat about the knives though?

57:38SPEAKER- Well, I just, I don't,

57:39SPEAKERthe knives don't go in the dishwasher.

57:40SPEAKER- No?

57:41SPEAKER- No.

57:42SPEAKER- Okay.

57:43SPEAKER- I don't really know why.

57:44SPEAKERI was gonna say I was waiting for some sage wisdom

57:46SPEAKERabout why knives don't go in dishwasher.

57:48SPEAKER- We have, look, I'm gonna go ahead and tell you,

57:51SPEAKERin our house, some of the members have some strange feelings

57:54SPEAKERabout the amount of damage that the dishwasher

57:56SPEAKERis going to do to things.

57:58SPEAKER- Okay.

57:59SPEAKER- Others of us are much less apathetic

58:01SPEAKERabout that entire process.

58:02SPEAKER- That's right.

58:03SPEAKERI remember being at your house and you chucked that,

58:05SPEAKERthat coveted seventies aperture mug

58:07SPEAKERthat we've talked about recently straight in the dishwasher.

58:09SPEAKERAnd I was like, oh my God, the thing's irreplaceable.

58:10SPEAKERWhat are you doing?

58:12SPEAKERAnd you were like, I think you said your feeling

58:15SPEAKERwas basically if the mug can't survive multiple trips

58:17SPEAKERthrough the dishwasher, it doesn't deserve to be there.

58:19SPEAKER- Well, first off we have a Bosch,

58:20SPEAKERso it doesn't have a heating element.

58:21SPEAKERSo it doesn't apply direct heat.

58:23SPEAKER- Okay.

58:24SPEAKER- So like stuff like plastic that normally would get warped

58:26SPEAKERand fucked up in a normal dishwasher

58:28SPEAKERdoesn't have that problem in there.

58:30SPEAKERBut two, yeah, like things are meant to be used.

58:33SPEAKERIf it's not gonna survive the dishwasher, so be it.

58:35SPEAKER- So it's really survival of the finished

58:38SPEAKERin the Smith's kitchen.

58:39SPEAKER- Look, 50% of the Smith's kitchen,

58:41SPEAKERdepends on who loads the dishwasher.

58:45SPEAKERBut anyway, yeah, the knives,

58:46SPEAKERthe good knives don't go in the dishwasher.

58:47SPEAKERThat's the TLDR out of our house.

58:49SPEAKER- Yeah.

58:51SPEAKER- I think that's a good place to wrap it up.

58:53SPEAKER- Yeah, you brought a little kind of post script here

58:57SPEAKERabout things we would like to get for Christmas.

58:59SPEAKERAnd you listed a raising wheel.

59:00SPEAKER- I want a steering wheel for my computer,

59:03SPEAKERdespite what you said earlier in the episode.

59:06SPEAKERFeel personally attacked now.

59:08SPEAKER- Sure.

59:09SPEAKERI also, not because of any kind of past trauma

59:12SPEAKERabout asking for an AT-AT for Christmas when I was a youth

59:15SPEAKERand getting the Ewok village instead.

59:17SPEAKER- Oh no.

59:18SPEAKER- There's a really expensive UCS edition AT-AT

59:22SPEAKERwith like 5,000 pieces in it that like opens up

59:25SPEAKERand you can put the little stormtroopers in.

59:27SPEAKERSo it's actually like carries them around.

59:29SPEAKER- What is UCS?

59:31SPEAKER- Ultimate Collector Series.

59:33SPEAKERIt's basically a premium Lego.

59:36SPEAKERThe Lego is still the same Lego.

59:37SPEAKERIt's just like a massive number of pieces

59:39SPEAKERand clearly for adults versus...

59:43SPEAKERSo the right way to say this is that the scale

59:48SPEAKERon the normal, like $50 Lego X-wing is wrong

59:51SPEAKERfor the mini-fig.

59:52SPEAKERLike they have to juice the scale to make it work.

59:55SPEAKERThe scale on the UCS ones is right for the mini-figs.

59:57SPEAKER- Oh, wow.

59:58SPEAKER- Yeah, so they're way, way bigger.

1:00:00SPEAKER- That's a big set.

1:00:01SPEAKER- Yeah, so this one is like three feet tall

1:00:03SPEAKERor something ridiculous.

1:00:04SPEAKER- And $800 apparently.

1:00:05SPEAKER- And $800, I'm not gonna spend $800 on a Lego AT-AT.

1:00:09SPEAKER- That's a lot of Lego.

1:00:10SPEAKER- I mean, I don't even know what I would do.

1:00:14SPEAKERLike I don't even know what I'd do

1:00:15SPEAKERwith an $800 Lego AT-AT kit after I finished building it.

1:00:18SPEAKERI think I'd probably just take it apart

1:00:19SPEAKERand put it in the garage and then build it again next year.

1:00:20SPEAKERI don't know.

1:00:21SPEAKER- Put it in a hyperbaric chamber or something.

1:00:23SPEAKERLike it'd be cool.

1:00:23SPEAKERProtect it.

1:00:24SPEAKER- Build a polycarbonate shell for it.

1:00:29SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:00:30SPEAKER- Put it in, make a set.

1:00:32SPEAKERI don't know.

1:00:33SPEAKERI don't know what I would do with that.

1:00:33SPEAKERAnyway.

1:00:34SPEAKER- I don't have anything to add here.

1:00:35SPEAKERI guess I just will take this opportunity

1:00:37SPEAKERto say I feel very fortunate

1:00:39SPEAKERthat I can't think of anything to add here.

1:00:40SPEAKER- Your aesthetic life has continued to pay off.

1:00:42SPEAKER- I mean, yes, I do lead a pretty aesthetic existence,

1:00:44SPEAKERbut also like it's pretty fortunate

1:00:47SPEAKERto be able to say you don't really want for much, I guess.

1:00:48SPEAKER- It's true.

1:00:49SPEAKERIt's true.

1:00:50SPEAKER- I can't think of anything on new TV, maybe?

1:00:53SPEAKERLike the old one's fine.

1:00:55SPEAKER- I mean, when the things that you want for it

1:00:57SPEAKERare as stupid as a Lego AT-AT

1:00:59SPEAKERor a steering wheel for your computer,

1:01:01SPEAKERthen yeah, you're in a good spot, I guess.

1:01:04SPEAKERThe hierarchy of needs is mostly filled.

1:01:07SPEAKER- Oh, hey, if you have ideas for things,

1:01:09SPEAKERpost them in the Discord.

1:01:09SPEAKERPost them in this week's.

1:01:10SPEAKERWe'll make a new thread in this week's episode,

1:01:14SPEAKERor you can send them to the email at techbot@content.town.

1:01:17SPEAKERWe're always looking for cues to turn into A's

1:01:19SPEAKERat that email address as well.

1:01:21SPEAKERSo you can send those in.

1:01:21SPEAKERWe'll get to those at the end of the month.

1:01:23SPEAKER- Wait, before we go, one more order of business.

1:01:25SPEAKER- Oh yeah.

1:01:26SPEAKER- Watch sneakers.

1:01:28SPEAKER- Why would you watch sneakers, Brad?

1:01:29SPEAKER- The time has come for you to watch the motion,

1:01:32SPEAKERthe major motion picture "Sneakers" from 1992.

1:01:36SPEAKER- Starring Robert Redford, Dan Aykroyd,

1:01:38SPEAKERStephen Tobolowski, Mary McDonald, Ben,

1:01:42SPEAKERsir, sorry, sir.

1:01:44SPEAKER- Sidney Poitier.

1:01:46SPEAKER- Sidney Poitier, yeah, Sir Ben Kingsley.

1:01:49SPEAKER- Stephen Tobolowski getting surprisingly high billing

1:01:51SPEAKERon that one.

1:01:52SPEAKERLook, I lost track of who was in the movie.

1:01:54SPEAKERI'll be honest from it.

1:01:55SPEAKERIt's a big cast.

1:01:56SPEAKERRiver Phoenix.

1:01:57SPEAKER- River Phoenix.

1:01:58SPEAKER- In a rare, lighthearted role.

1:02:00SPEAKER- Yeah, I didn't know.

1:02:01SPEAKERI didn't know that I've ever seen anything

1:02:02SPEAKERwith River Phoenix in it before.

1:02:03SPEAKERAnyway.

1:02:04SPEAKER- Wait, you never saw the third Indiana Jones movie?

1:02:06SPEAKER- Oh, I have seen, yes.

1:02:07SPEAKERI probably just, it's been a very long time.

1:02:09SPEAKER- Okay.

1:02:10SPEAKER- Anyway.

1:02:11SPEAKER- You ever saw my own private Idaho?

1:02:12SPEAKER- I did not.

1:02:13SPEAKER- Oh man, it's an incredible movie.

1:02:14SPEAKER- This is like one of his final roles, in fact.

1:02:17SPEAKERAnyway, "Sneakers" next week, we will be,

1:02:19SPEAKERwe have watched and we'll be discussing the film "Sneakers."

1:02:23SPEAKER- It's not about shoes.

1:02:24SPEAKER- No, it is not.

1:02:25SPEAKER- It's about people that break into places for money.

1:02:28SPEAKER- Yes, they sneak.

1:02:29SPEAKERIt's a white hat, black hat sitch.

1:02:31SPEAKER- They sneak into things and make off with secrets

1:02:35SPEAKERor money or whatever.

1:02:36SPEAKERYou should watch the movie.

1:02:37SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:02:38SPEAKERIf you're in the U.S., it's on HBO Max.

1:02:40SPEAKERIf you're outside of the U.S., I don't know where it is,

1:02:42SPEAKERbut you know how to find things, I'm sure.

1:02:44SPEAKERAnd we will be talking about it on next week's episode.

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1:03:11SPEAKERAgain, it's patreon.com/techpod.

1:03:14SPEAKERAnd as always, we wanna thank our executive producer

1:03:17SPEAKERto your patrons, starting with #bunnycrimes,

1:03:20SPEAKERAndrew Slosky, Paddle Creek Games, Makers of Fractured Veil,

1:03:24SPEAKERDavid Allen, Jacob Chappell, James Kamik, Joel Krauska,

1:03:28SPEAKERand Twinkle Twinkie.

1:03:29SPEAKERThank you all so much for your support.

1:03:30SPEAKERWe really appreciate it.

1:03:31SPEAKER- Yes, absolutely.

1:03:33SPEAKER- I guess that'll do it for us this week, Brad.

1:03:34SPEAKER- Yes, and an early happy holidays to all.

1:03:36SPEAKER- Yeah, do your shopping soon.

1:03:39SPEAKERIf you haven't started already, you may be too late.

1:03:41SPEAKER- Oh, geez, I didn't even think about talking about

1:03:42SPEAKERlike shipping and logistics and supply chain stuff.

1:03:44SPEAKER- Yeah, stuff is kind of jacked right now,

1:03:47SPEAKERso don't dilly-dally any more than you already have.

1:03:49SPEAKER- Yeah, or hey, you know,

1:03:51SPEAKERlike just give the gift of togetherness, you know?

1:03:53SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:03:54SPEAKER- It's been, I think that's like I alluded to this earlier,

1:03:56SPEAKERthat like kind of doing things with the people

1:03:58SPEAKERyou care about is perhaps the greatest gift.

1:04:01SPEAKER- Make a nice pie and then pile it up for them.

1:04:03SPEAKERThey'll love it.

1:04:05SPEAKER- Give them the pie pile.

1:04:06SPEAKER- Pie pile, everybody loves a pie pile.

1:04:08SPEAKERSee you all next week, bye.