115: Deals on Wheels

00:00SPEAKERWe have spatchcocked.

00:02SPEAKER- Oh, you did?

00:02SPEAKER- A spatchcocking has occurred in this house.

00:05SPEAKER- Did you do the duck?

00:06SPEAKER- We chickened.

00:07SPEAKER- Oh, you chickened?

00:08SPEAKER- We spatchcocked a chicken.

00:10SPEAKER- Nice, very good.

00:12SPEAKER- A chicken.

00:12SPEAKER- Was it delish?

00:13SPEAKER- It was quite tasty.

00:14SPEAKERWe brined it.

00:15SPEAKER- Yeah?

00:16SPEAKER- We brined it for 24 hours.

00:17SPEAKER- Dry brine or wet brine?

00:17SPEAKER- Wet brine.

00:18SPEAKER- Okay.

00:19SPEAKER- Wet brine.

00:20SPEAKER- Wet brine?

00:21SPEAKER- Submerged brine.

00:23SPEAKERLook, it was delicious.

00:24SPEAKERIt was moist and juicy and succulent.

00:27SPEAKER- Yes.

00:27SPEAKER- It looked so pathetic when it was just laid out

00:29SPEAKERon the pan like that.

00:31SPEAKER- Flat?

00:32SPEAKER- Yeah.

00:32SPEAKER- Did you take the legs off when you spatchcocked

00:34SPEAKERor did you leave them on?

00:35SPEAKER- No, we left the legs on.

00:37SPEAKERAlso, I should maybe be a little more specific.

00:40SPEAKERShe spatchcocked.

00:41SPEAKERI kind of watched.

00:43SPEAKER- There's a lot of bone crunching

00:45SPEAKERin the spatchcocking process.

00:47SPEAKER- She knew what she was doing.

00:48SPEAKERI assisted in other ways.

00:51SPEAKER- Gina likes to be in the other room

00:52SPEAKERwhen the spatchcocking's happening

00:54SPEAKER'cause she finds the rib section particularly discomforting.

00:57SPEAKER- Oh, I didn't have a problem with that.

00:58SPEAKERI just didn't know what I was doing.

01:00SPEAKERShe had done it before.

01:02SPEAKER- The anatomy's all the same.

01:04SPEAKER- Something about it though, man,

01:05SPEAKERwhen it's flattened and splayed out on the pan like that,

01:08SPEAKERit's just undignified.

01:09SPEAKERThere's something undignified about that bird.

01:12SPEAKER- Look, to me, what that says is

01:16SPEAKERthe deliciousness is about to happen

01:17SPEAKERand I get excited 'cause I know

01:19SPEAKERI'm gonna have a perfectly cooked chicken.

01:20SPEAKER- The bird is just prone and awaiting the inevitable.

01:23SPEAKER- It's reached its maximum potential.

01:24SPEAKER- That's right.

01:27SPEAKER- We did the lazy person thing this year

01:29SPEAKERand we ordered a cooked turkey

01:32SPEAKERthat we just chucked in the oven for two hours

01:34SPEAKERto warm up and crisp up the skin a little bit.

01:36SPEAKER- Where'd you get it from?

01:37SPEAKER- We had to buy, right?

01:38SPEAKERIt was a Mary's, I think.

01:40SPEAKERI don't know.

01:41SPEAKERIt was probably really expensive.

01:42SPEAKERGina doesn't tell me what the turkey costs

01:43SPEAKERbecause she knows I'll probably be like,

01:45SPEAKER"Goddamn it, you can get a butterball for $25."

01:47SPEAKER- It's a dark secret.

01:48SPEAKERYou're better off not knowing.

01:49SPEAKERJust stick with the dark meat.

01:51SPEAKERLeave the dark secrets.

01:52SPEAKER- Yeah, but we made mashed potatoes and we made pies

01:56SPEAKERand then the rest of the stuff,

01:57SPEAKERwe just got the by right sides.

01:58SPEAKER- Man, that sounds all right.

02:01SPEAKER- It was like, we got to spend all day,

02:03SPEAKERlike we played some games.

02:06SPEAKERWe did some animal crossing.

02:08SPEAKERWe did a turkey day stuff and animal crossing.

02:11SPEAKERGot all sorts of hot new recipes.

02:12SPEAKERYou know, it was a good day.

02:13SPEAKER- Did it at any point feel like surrender?

02:16SPEAKER- No, it was, look, here's the thing.

02:18SPEAKERWe didn't make your mom's casserole,

02:21SPEAKERwhich is a personal favorite.

02:23SPEAKERWe didn't make the stuffing that we usually make,

02:25SPEAKERwhich I quite like.

02:26SPEAKERAnd I kind of missed both of those things.

02:28SPEAKERLike that was the sacrifice here, right?

02:31SPEAKERBut we traded the time back and like we made,

02:34SPEAKERmy daughter and I made pies on Wednesday night

02:37SPEAKERand she is, she's almost nine now.

02:40SPEAKERAnd she was like, like she peeled all the apples

02:43SPEAKERwith the apple peeler gadget, you know,

02:45SPEAKERthe spinny, the crank thing.

02:46SPEAKERAnd then she sliced them all up with her knife.

02:50SPEAKERAnd like the only parts of the pies I did

02:53SPEAKERwere the crust bits and she basically did the rest.

02:55SPEAKERIt was awesome.

02:56SPEAKER- Jeez, reaching proper sous chef age.

02:59SPEAKER- Yeah, it's really cool.

03:00SPEAKERShe peeled and chopped up all the potatoes too.

03:03SPEAKERI was shocked.

03:04SPEAKERShe's ready to go, man.

03:05SPEAKER- How many pounds was the turkey?

03:07SPEAKER- 13, we do small ones when it's just the three of us.

03:09SPEAKER- Wait, 13 pounds is a small turkey?

03:12SPEAKER- Yeah, like a 20, the one, when you come up,

03:13SPEAKERwhen we have, like that year that we get in the backyard

03:16SPEAKERand had 20 people over, we had a 26 pound turkey.

03:19SPEAKER- Holy moly.

03:20SPEAKER- Yeah, the nice thing about doing the small ones,

03:22SPEAKERI mean, if we were cooking it,

03:23SPEAKERit's way easier to cook a small turkey.

03:25SPEAKERLike it's, if you have oven space for it,

03:28SPEAKERit's way easier to cook two 13 pound turkeys

03:31SPEAKERthan one 26 pound turkey.

03:33SPEAKER'Cause like the 26 pound turkey,

03:34SPEAKERyou basically, in my experience,

03:36SPEAKERin order to make sure that the dark meat is done

03:38SPEAKERand the breast isn't crisp and dry,

03:42SPEAKERyou have to spatchcock it

03:43SPEAKERand separate the legs from the breast.

03:45SPEAKER'Cause you need to, the breast will be done,

03:47SPEAKERlike the breast finishes at like 160 degrees, 165 degrees.

03:50SPEAKERThe thighs and the legs and the drumsticks

03:53SPEAKERwill finish at 180.

03:55SPEAKERSo like you either need to have more heat on them,

03:58SPEAKERwhich is really hard to do

03:59SPEAKERgiven the relative anatomy of the bird,

04:01SPEAKERor you have to be able to separate them out

04:03SPEAKERand pull them out when the,

04:04SPEAKERpull the breast out when it's done.

04:06SPEAKER- Ah, hence the spatchcocking.

04:07SPEAKER- Hence the spatchcocking.

04:09SPEAKER- Well, maybe one day I'll be able to enjoy another leg.

04:12SPEAKER- Brad, I think 2022, I think it's our year.

04:15SPEAKER- Yeah?

04:16SPEAKER- The future.

04:17SPEAKER- The year of the turkey leg?

04:18SPEAKER- I look, if we can't do it next year inside,

04:22SPEAKERwe'll do a GoFundMe so we can pitch in.

04:23SPEAKERWe've got a big tent set up in the backyard

04:26SPEAKERand we'll just eat it in the backyard.

04:27SPEAKER- Whether we have to go out in the woods

04:28SPEAKERto eat a turkey leg, it's gonna happen.

04:30SPEAKER- Yeah.

04:31SPEAKER- One way or the other.

04:32SPEAKER- Hell yeah.

04:33SPEAKER(upbeat music)

04:48SPEAKER(upbeat music)

05:01SPEAKER- Welcome to Brad and Will Made a Tech Pod.

05:03SPEAKERI'm Will.

05:04SPEAKER- I'm Brad.

05:05SPEAKERHappy post-Thanksgiving to you.

05:07SPEAKER- Happy Darkest of Fridays to you, my friend.

05:09SPEAKER- Oh no, it is the Blackest Friday, I forgot.

05:12SPEAKER- Yes.

05:13SPEAKER- I've been avoiding, it's funny,

05:14SPEAKERif you avoid social media,

05:16SPEAKERyou kind of lose any sense of the shopping frenzy

05:19SPEAKERthat is currently taking place.

05:20SPEAKER- I bought one thing today.

05:23SPEAKER- Yeah.

05:24SPEAKER- The fine folks at Elgato had lights on a pretty good deal

05:28SPEAKERand I wanted to upgrade my light situation for a long time.

05:32SPEAKERSo I picked up a pair of a pair of lights

05:35SPEAKERthat was basically like buy one, get one free.

05:37SPEAKER- Wow, which ones, the smaller ones?

05:39SPEAKERThe smaller key lights?

05:41SPEAKER- I got the normal size key lights

05:42SPEAKER'cause I need to highlight, I need to hit the green screen.

05:44SPEAKER- Wait, you bought two of the full size?

05:46SPEAKER- Yeah, I'm gonna put them on either side.

05:48SPEAKERWell, 'cause if I don't, I get shadows on the green screen

05:49SPEAKERand then things look weird.

05:51SPEAKER- That is intense.

05:52SPEAKERI have one of those things and it's a lot.

05:54SPEAKER- Well, yeah, but you're like, trust me,

05:58SPEAKERthere are two options here.

05:58SPEAKEROne is I can clean up and decorate the area behind me

06:01SPEAKERenough that it looks like something that's presentable.

06:05SPEAKEROr I could spend an extra hundred bucks on an extra light

06:08SPEAKERand then I don't have to do that.

06:10SPEAKER- Do you ever, I hesitate to say this

06:12SPEAKER'cause I don't wanna sound like I'm accusing anybody

06:13SPEAKERof anything, but...

06:14SPEAKER- Oh, this sounds very judgy.

06:16SPEAKER- Do you ever wonder what's going on,

06:18SPEAKERespecially in this constant Zoom culture

06:21SPEAKERthat we are inhabiting now?

06:22SPEAKER- Like from the waist down?

06:24SPEAKER- Well, do you ever wonder if people

06:25SPEAKERthat hide their backgrounds, like what's going on there?

06:28SPEAKER- Oh yeah, absolutely, that's why,

06:29SPEAKERwhy do you think I hide my background?

06:30SPEAKERI wouldn't have a sense of mystery.

06:31SPEAKER- Well, so you are in that role,

06:33SPEAKERso you should be able to tell me.

06:35SPEAKER- Yeah, I...

06:35SPEAKER- Is it a messy house people are trying to cover up?

06:38SPEAKERDo you have questionable artwork on your walls?

06:40SPEAKERI don't know.

06:41SPEAKER- Well, no, for me, the problem is that the room

06:43SPEAKERis too, is like the window that faces west

06:48SPEAKERand gets sun almost all day is directly behind my computer.

06:52SPEAKERSo if I have that, if I don't block it up somehow,

06:56SPEAKERthen it blows out the entire scene

06:58SPEAKERand I'm backlit the whole time and it looks bad.

07:00SPEAKER- Here I was acting all suspicious when in fact

07:02SPEAKERyou were just trying to be considerate of...

07:04SPEAKER- I mean, I do have my grow up back there too, so...

07:08SPEAKER- To want people to see your hydroponics setup.

07:09SPEAKER- Yeah, no, it's frowned upon in some states.

07:11SPEAKER- Yes.

07:13SPEAKER- But anyway, we got, yeah, I picked up the lights.

07:17SPEAKERThat's all I've gotten.

07:18SPEAKERSo I was looking for wheel deals.

07:20SPEAKER- Wheel deals?

07:22SPEAKER- Look, I'm wheeling and dealing here, man.

07:23SPEAKERI've been enjoying the forts a lot.

07:25SPEAKER- Deals on wheels?

07:26SPEAKEROh God, that kind of wheel?

07:28SPEAKER- Yeah, look, Ryan can't tell me not to buy one, so...

07:32SPEAKER- Oh boy, no, I guess not.

07:33SPEAKER- I know, it's dark.

07:37SPEAKERBut no, I kinda want it like, look, I play PUBG every night

07:42SPEAKERand it's kind of, I don't wanna alarm you.

07:46SPEAKER- Wait.

07:47SPEAKER- PUBG is not great.

07:47SPEAKERThe health of the game is not great these days.

07:49SPEAKERThe player base is a little thin.

07:51SPEAKER- I didn't think that's where you were gonna go with that.

07:52SPEAKERI thought you were gonna say something

07:53SPEAKERabout PUBG having wheel support.

07:55SPEAKER- No, no, the problem is I'm like looking

07:58SPEAKERat what I'm gonna do post PUBG.

07:59SPEAKER- Oh God, that's grim.

08:01SPEAKERIs it that bad?

08:02SPEAKER- Well, like I'm transitioning from like five

08:06SPEAKERor six nights a week to like maybe three nights a week.

08:09SPEAKER- Huh.

08:10SPEAKER- And I need something to do

08:11SPEAKERin those other nights, presumably.

08:13SPEAKER- I mean, this is not technically a video game podcast,

08:15SPEAKERbut now here I am Googling PUBG player base.

08:19SPEAKER- Their player base would be healthy

08:20SPEAKERif they had a sane number of cues.

08:22SPEAKER- That's, I didn't know things were that bad.

08:25SPEAKER- The problem is that they have first person

08:26SPEAKERand third person, singles, duos, and squads ranked,

08:31SPEAKERand also this casual cue for noobs

08:33SPEAKERso they can play mostly against bots

08:35SPEAKERand not get beaten up by people like me

08:37SPEAKERwho put 4,000 hours in the game.

08:39SPEAKERSo anyway, yeah, racing.

08:42SPEAKERI'm thinking I might dip into racing.

08:44SPEAKERSo I'm looking for an entry.

08:44SPEAKERI was looking for an entry level wheel

08:46SPEAKERand the Twitter told me basically get the Logitech G920

08:49SPEAKERand it's fun.

08:50SPEAKERSo I'm looking for deals there.

08:52SPEAKERI'm on the hunt.

08:54SPEAKER- Deals on wheels.

08:55SPEAKER- I love deals.

08:56SPEAKEREverybody loves deals.

08:57SPEAKER- I shouldn't, we have a whole episode to do

08:59SPEAKERthat we haven't even gotten to yet,

09:00SPEAKERbut here I am typing Black Friday

09:02SPEAKERand I just want to see if there's anything I should know about.

09:06SPEAKERProbably not.

09:08SPEAKER- Also.

09:08SPEAKER- It's probably fine.

09:12SPEAKER- Also, I have to say, I think Steam caps out

09:14SPEAKERat 4,098 hours on games because I'm at 4,098 hours

09:21SPEAKERfor a really long time now, which is weird.

09:25SPEAKERAnyway, okay, what are we doing here this week, friend?

09:28SPEAKERWhat's the deal?

09:28SPEAKERWhat's the haps?

09:29SPEAKER- We should A some cues?

09:32SPEAKER- I would A some cues right now.

09:34SPEAKER- Okay, well, I have good news for you.

09:35SPEAKERI have this whole Google Doc full of cues here.

09:38SPEAKER- Hey, did you grab the ones out of email too?

09:40SPEAKERI should have asked this before we started the thing,

09:41SPEAKERbut we had a couple of good ones in email too.

09:43SPEAKER- I did not, I was hoping you might.

09:46SPEAKER- Oh, oh, I can do this.

09:47SPEAKER- Okay.

09:48SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah, yeah.

09:49SPEAKER- I don't stay signed into that Google account

09:50SPEAKERbecause I don't know about you,

09:51SPEAKERbut I don't like managing multiple Google accounts

09:53SPEAKERper browser anymore if I can help it.

09:54SPEAKER- I stay signed into them because I get,

09:57SPEAKERjust in case somebody says,

09:59SPEAKER"Hey, we would like to give you a whole lot of money

10:00SPEAKERto do something."

10:01SPEAKER- Mm, I guess that is a useful reason.

10:04SPEAKER- Yeah, anyway, yeah, so we're turning cues into As.

10:07SPEAKERIf you have cues, you can send them to techpod@content.town.

10:13SPEAKER- I was waiting to see if you'd say it.

10:14SPEAKER- Techpod@content.town?

10:15SPEAKER- Techpod@content.town.

10:17SPEAKEROr if you're a Patreon subscriber,

10:19SPEAKERyou can go into the Discord and look for the channel

10:23SPEAKERthat is labeled Cues Seeking As.

10:25SPEAKER- Questions seeking answers.

10:26SPEAKER- Questions seeking answers, yeah, okay, whatever.

10:28SPEAKERQuestions seeking answers, same thing.

10:29SPEAKER- I think they don't let you capitalize

10:32SPEAKERin a Discord channel name.

10:33SPEAKERIs that right? - You're not, no.

10:34SPEAKERWell, no, you can capitalize in threads though,

10:36SPEAKER'cause the good gift thread 2021 edition

10:39SPEAKERis all capitalized.

10:40SPEAKER- But channels, you can't do goofs

10:42SPEAKERfeaturing capital letters, unfortunately.

10:44SPEAKER- Nope, so it would be lowercase cues

10:46SPEAKERfeaturing seeking lowercase As, anyway.

10:49SPEAKER- Yes.

10:49SPEAKER- Brad, you have some cues to turn into As.

10:51SPEAKER- I do have some cues here.

10:54SPEAKERHow about I read some now,

10:56SPEAKERthanks to our illustrious listeners and patrons.

10:59SPEAKER- Heck yeah.

11:01SPEAKER- Well, let's start at the start.

11:02SPEAKERFrom Neijin, hopefully I'm saying that right.

11:06SPEAKERWhen you decide to jump into a new tech project

11:08SPEAKERyou're unfamiliar with,

11:09SPEAKERwhat is your process for figuring it out?

11:12SPEAKERDo you dive heavy into research before any purchases,

11:14SPEAKERask around for advice, buy the tech

11:16SPEAKERand just start tinkering right away or something else?

11:19SPEAKER- Hmm, wow.

11:22SPEAKERSo I don't, there was a time in my life

11:27SPEAKERwhen I just bought stuff and then figured it out.

11:29SPEAKERAnd that almost always ended unsatisfactory in my experience.

11:32SPEAKER- Yes, I would believe that.

11:35SPEAKER- The, mostly that was when we were on a,

11:39SPEAKERlike we had a budget to do projects

11:42SPEAKERand we would basically just, you know,

11:45SPEAKERwe had to spend the money every month or it would disappear.

11:47SPEAKER- Sure, well, if it's for a work situation

11:50SPEAKERthat's a little different, 'cause yes.

11:51SPEAKER- Yeah, like in a time constraint,

11:54SPEAKERlike on a lot of tested videos

11:56SPEAKERwe had like 10 days to do something

11:59SPEAKERand we would just buy everything

12:00SPEAKERwe could think we could possibly need

12:03SPEAKERand then bring an expert in and do the thing live.

12:07SPEAKERAnd it would sometimes work and sometimes it wouldn't.

12:09SPEAKERIt was a frustrating process.

12:11SPEAKERIt was not a good process.

12:12SPEAKER- In a work situation though,

12:13SPEAKERthe constraints on resources are different.

12:15SPEAKER- Dramatically, yeah.

12:16SPEAKER- Than if you're doing a personal project for sure.

12:19SPEAKER- Yeah.

12:20SPEAKER- You can afford to get a little sloppy

12:21SPEAKERwhen there is a company backing you on some things.

12:24SPEAKER- So like I built a robot or designed a robot,

12:27SPEAKERI haven't actually built it

12:28SPEAKERand I'm probably realistically not going to at this point,

12:30SPEAKERbut I designed a robot last year

12:32SPEAKERand I basically opened up Fusion 360

12:35SPEAKERand mapped the whole project out,

12:38SPEAKERbuilt it so it was working in like,

12:41SPEAKERso I could see how the pieces went together in Fusion

12:44SPEAKERand see what I would need to laser cut

12:45SPEAKERand what I would need to get 3D printed and stuff like that.

12:48SPEAKERAnd like, that was pretty good.

12:51SPEAKERAnd then I bought all the stuff

12:52SPEAKERand then I ran out of time, so.

12:54SPEAKER- So all the stuff is just sitting.

12:55SPEAKER- It's in a box behind the green screen

12:58SPEAKERin the area of shame.

12:59SPEAKER- Yeah.

13:00SPEAKERThis may shock you to hear,

13:02SPEAKERbut I am the king of research and deliberation.

13:06SPEAKER- You don't say.

13:08SPEAKER- Before jumping into something like this.

13:10SPEAKER- Oh, weird.

13:11SPEAKER- I'm trying to think like last few projects,

13:15SPEAKERlike the Mr. I got into pretty quickly

13:16SPEAKERbecause there's such a thriving community

13:18SPEAKERand there's so many people on our Discord

13:19SPEAKERthat we're able to advise.

13:20SPEAKERSo that one was pretty easy to jump into.

13:22SPEAKERBut like when I built my NAS three years ago and change,

13:26SPEAKERlike that was like weeks of looking at Synologies

13:29SPEAKERand QNAPs and like thinking about hard drive prices

13:32SPEAKERand like how many bays do I need?

13:33SPEAKERAnd like, oh, maybe I should just build

13:35SPEAKERa whole ass computer here

13:36SPEAKERinstead of one of these integrated boxes.

13:38SPEAKERThat was a lot of those weeks of looking

13:42SPEAKERand wringing of hands.

13:44SPEAKER- So I, yeah, I try not to like,

13:51SPEAKERI try to, I tend to make a decision faster,

13:54SPEAKERI think than you do without, I say that without malice,

13:59SPEAKERbut it's like, it's a challenging,

14:04SPEAKERit's challenging to know when you're at the spot,

14:06SPEAKERwhen the good time is there, right?

14:10SPEAKERTo make the jump.

14:12SPEAKER- You mean when you know enough?

14:14SPEAKER- Yes, when you have the right choice,

14:16SPEAKERwhen you have the information you need

14:18SPEAKERto make the right choice.

14:19SPEAKERLike I've been thinking about, it's time for my NAS

14:22SPEAKERto get upgraded and I've been thinking about maybe moving

14:24SPEAKERto like a much, much, much smaller machine

14:28SPEAKERthat does the compute stuff that lives on that box,

14:30SPEAKERlike Plex and all that stuff.

14:31SPEAKER- I think about the same thing.

14:33SPEAKERI mean, I'm on a 6700K, you're on a,

14:36SPEAKERwhat is it, a Broadwell E?

14:37SPEAKER- Broadwell E is 5850 or something I think.

14:40SPEAKER- Neither of those are the most power efficient

14:42SPEAKERfor a thing that sits around running 24/7.

14:44SPEAKER- Especially in BSD.

14:46SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah.

14:47SPEAKERSo I was looking at like, maybe I should just get

14:50SPEAKERa four port Synology and use that for the storage bit

14:53SPEAKERand then buy like a, or build a real low power machine

14:59SPEAKERthat can live and just run 24/7 with Proxmox

15:02SPEAKERor something on it and do my, all my containers that way.

15:07SPEAKERSo I don't know, it's probably a problem for next year.

15:11SPEAKERBut you know, here we are.

15:13SPEAKER- Yeah, I find, well, maybe you don't have this problem

15:17SPEAKER'cause you've lived in that world more than I have.

15:19SPEAKERBut like, I basically stopped paying attention

15:21SPEAKERto PC hardware in particular for years

15:23SPEAKERin between needing to build a PC.

15:26SPEAKERBut then coming back is always so like,

15:29SPEAKERthat's quite frankly half the reason

15:30SPEAKERI still haven't upgraded my aging rig

15:32SPEAKERis because I just have not had the energy

15:34SPEAKERto do the research required because it feels like

15:37SPEAKERevery time I come back to build a new machine,

15:39SPEAKERthere's like an order of magnitude more stuff

15:41SPEAKERI need to catch up on.

15:42SPEAKER- So it's funny for me, the last few computer upgrades,

15:45SPEAKERlike I built that Broadwell E machine

15:47SPEAKERbecause my previous machine crapped out

15:49SPEAKERand I was in the middle of a project for work

15:52SPEAKERthat I absolutely had to have access to a real computer

15:54SPEAKERand it was the only one in the house

15:55SPEAKERthat could run VR stuff at the time.

15:57SPEAKERSo I literally, like I didn't have a choice

15:59SPEAKERand because of deadlines and I literally looked

16:01SPEAKERat what central computer had that was gonna be sufficient

16:04SPEAKERand went and bought whatever they had that day

16:06SPEAKERand a new motherboard and was like, well, here I am.

16:08SPEAKERThis is my new computer for a while.

16:10SPEAKER- That sounds freeing in a way.

16:11SPEAKERLike, I don't like, I'm too gray beardy to ever buy

16:16SPEAKERa pre-built machine, but every time I see somebody

16:18SPEAKERtalking about buying a pre-built machine,

16:19SPEAKERI'm just like, man, that seems like freedom.

16:22SPEAKER- There's, I mean, having done a fair amount of work

16:25SPEAKERwith pre-built machines in the last couple of years,

16:27SPEAKERthere's a real pro and con.

16:28SPEAKERLike, it's nice to just have to know

16:31SPEAKERthat it's reasonably well configured out of the box

16:33SPEAKERand that you're not screwing up memory timings

16:35SPEAKERor something like that and making,

16:36SPEAKERhitting a lot of performance.

16:38SPEAKERBut I do like knowing everything that's on the computer.

16:41SPEAKERThe, so yeah, that was easy.

16:44SPEAKERThe current gaming PC, I got the CPU

16:47SPEAKERfor doing an Intel thing.

16:48SPEAKERSo that made that decision pretty straightforward.

16:52SPEAKERAnd yeah, I don't know.

16:54SPEAKERIt's, I'm in a weird situation on that stuff though.

16:56SPEAKERI think one of the things that people,

16:59SPEAKERthere's a bunch of review sites that have good

17:02SPEAKERkind of guidelines for, you know, building upgrades

17:07SPEAKERand stuff like that that do like configurations

17:08SPEAKERthat people actually build and vet and stuff like that

17:10SPEAKERthat are incredibly useful these days.

17:12SPEAKER- Yeah, a lot of the crowdsource stuff

17:14SPEAKERlike PC part picker and similar tools like that

17:17SPEAKERseem to let people collaborate on a lot of knowledge.

17:21SPEAKER- Yeah.

17:22SPEAKER- And stuff like also, you know,

17:23SPEAKERlike the gamers' nexuses and digital foundries and stuff,

17:25SPEAKERlike it's great that there's so much detail out there

17:28SPEAKERthese days, but I feel like it has also led to

17:31SPEAKERkind of an information overload situation.

17:33SPEAKER- Well, it's--

17:34SPEAKER- Like I dip my toe into just like,

17:36SPEAKERah, maybe I'll start thinking about an upgrade.

17:38SPEAKERLet me start seeing what's new in motherboards

17:40SPEAKERand like people are passing around spreadsheets

17:43SPEAKERof motherboards ranked by the quality

17:44SPEAKERof the voltage regulation modules that they use.

17:47SPEAKERAnd like this board is eight layer instead of six layer.

17:50SPEAKERAnd it's just like, fuck, I'm never going to make a decision.

17:53SPEAKERThis is too much.

17:54SPEAKER- Part of it though, is you have to know

17:55SPEAKERthat that stuff doesn't apply to you.

17:57SPEAKERLike that stuff matters if you're doing extreme overclocking,

17:59SPEAKERbut if you're doing like normal computer shit, who cares?

18:02SPEAKER- I know, I know.

18:03SPEAKER- The problem I have, and I've been thinking about this

18:06SPEAKER'cause I know that like PC, not PC part picker,

18:08SPEAKERLinus Tech Tips and the Gamers Nexus

18:11SPEAKERand those guys are really popular on the discord.

18:14SPEAKERAnd I don't really read that stuff for entertainment anymore

18:17SPEAKERwhich is probably a result of me.

18:21SPEAKERLike I don't keep up with those markets for entertainment.

18:22SPEAKERI keep up with it because it's important for the show

18:25SPEAKERand because I like to know what's going on.

18:26SPEAKERBut like, I don't want to watch a 30 minute video

18:28SPEAKERabout a new CPU ever.

18:30SPEAKERAnd I really just want to like open up,

18:33SPEAKERthis is old man me coming out,

18:35SPEAKERbut I want to go and open up like 19 or 2005 in Nantec

18:39SPEAKERand get a 30 page article that I can go hit the end

18:42SPEAKERand then zip back to the 10 things that seem interesting

18:45SPEAKERand important to know about.

18:47SPEAKERAnd then my information for that product is done.

18:51SPEAKERI'm good.

18:52SPEAKERSo, anyway.

18:53SPEAKER- Yeah, all right, next question.

18:56SPEAKER- Yeah.

18:56SPEAKER- How about this question from Knowledge Plox?

18:59SPEAKER- It's a good, that's a good handle.

19:01SPEAKERIt's not bad.

19:02SPEAKERBrad just pronounced .png as ping on a Nextlander podcast.

19:07SPEAKERIt's always been PNG in my head,

19:09SPEAKERbut I can't say I've ever heard

19:10SPEAKERanyone actually say it out loud.

19:12SPEAKERWhat is the correct way to pronounce that file extension?

19:14SPEAKERAnd what are some other extensions

19:16SPEAKERthat people are wrong about?

19:17SPEAKERNo need to get into GIF.

19:18SPEAKERThose fields are long since burned over.

19:20SPEAKER- Pass.

19:21SPEAKER- No, no.

19:23SPEAKER- Ping is how I say it.

19:25SPEAKER- Yeah, ping, if this was purely about GIF,

19:27SPEAKERI would agree with you.

19:28SPEAKERWe should just move on.

19:29SPEAKER- Ping, like less contentious, let's say.

19:33SPEAKER- In my head, I actually just think of it

19:35SPEAKERas portable network graphic every time I see the acronym.

19:38SPEAKER- That's as it should be.

19:41SPEAKER- No, I'd like, yeah, I think ping is fine.

19:44SPEAKERI feel like Vinny got me started saying pings probably.

19:47SPEAKER- I think I started out as a PNG person, I believe, back.

19:51SPEAKERWhen did pings come on the scene?

19:52SPEAKERWould you say 2010 or something?

19:55SPEAKER- Around the time we were in the basement,

19:56SPEAKERprobably was when bandwidth got cheap enough

19:59SPEAKERthat suddenly you were like, man,

20:00SPEAKERI can do a lossless version of this image.

20:02SPEAKERThat's amazing.

20:03SPEAKER- I floated this question on one of the Discords I'm on.

20:08SPEAKERI forget if it was the tech blog or the deck cylinder,

20:10SPEAKERbut how far off do you think we are

20:13SPEAKERfrom lossy compression being a thing of the past?

20:16SPEAKER- Well, as long as video is distributed on the internet,

20:19SPEAKERlossy compression will always exist.

20:20SPEAKER- Well, you know what, sorry.

20:23SPEAKERVideo is probably the worst example to talk about here.

20:26SPEAKERI could see maybe audio.

20:27SPEAKER- Yeah, maybe.

20:29SPEAKER- Audio, I, you know, this is like this kind of,

20:31SPEAKERI've basically just ruined my own thought experiment

20:33SPEAKERby excluding video from it 'cause it's like

20:35SPEAKERthe most widely distributed compressed data there is, right?

20:38SPEAKERBut I guess I was thinking more audio and still images.

20:41SPEAKER- Well, so still images, I think we're there, right?

20:44SPEAKERLike, it's a--

20:46SPEAKER- There's still a lot of JPEGs out there.

20:48SPEAKER- Well, yeah, but the default that almost everybody uses,

20:50SPEAKERlike people use JPEGs for thumbnails

20:52SPEAKERwhere quality doesn't matter as much,

20:53SPEAKERbut then when you click in, it's often a PNG

20:55SPEAKERif you uploaded a source PNG.

20:56SPEAKER- I guess it's quite a bit more common, you're right,

20:58SPEAKERthan it used to be, is WebP lossless?

21:02SPEAKER- WebP is the Google unencumbered, yeah.

21:04SPEAKER- I know it's Google's, but is it lossless,

21:06SPEAKERor it might have lossless and lossy options, I forget.

21:08SPEAKER- I don't know enough about it to know.

21:10SPEAKERBut that's an interesting topic, probably.

21:12SPEAKERWe should dig into that.

21:13SPEAKER- Yeah, like it's basically just a function

21:14SPEAKERof how much storage you have, how much bandwidth you have,

21:16SPEAKERhow much compute you have, right?

21:17SPEAKERLike, are there any other considerations there?

21:19SPEAKER- Well, mobile.

21:20SPEAKERI mean, on mobile, the bandwidth matters a lot more,

21:22SPEAKERbut that's increasingly not a problem these days, too.

21:24SPEAKER- That's what I mean, you know?

21:25SPEAKERIt's like, this is very much somebody

21:27SPEAKERwho has been amassing a collection of flax talking here,

21:30SPEAKERbut it just made me wonder at some point, you know?

21:32SPEAKERIt's like, hey, we're gonna, we might not be that far off

21:35SPEAKERfrom the point where, like, lossy compression of audio,

21:37SPEAKERfor example, doesn't make as much sense anymore.

21:40SPEAKER- Well, so I think that the other thing is,

21:43SPEAKERI think lossy, so, okay, there's two things

21:46SPEAKERthat are working against this idea

21:48SPEAKERthat everything should be lossly, lossless.

21:51SPEAKERAnd if you don't know what lossy and lossless means,

21:52SPEAKERall it means is lossy stuff, the data,

21:58SPEAKERit's not a perfect copy that's just compressed.

22:01SPEAKERSo, like, a JPEG is lossy in that it does some data loss

22:05SPEAKERevery time you make a JPEG,

22:07SPEAKERa new JPEG out of the existing JPEG.

22:09SPEAKERAnd if you do, like, 30 generations of JPEGs,

22:11SPEAKERthis is why some meme images look really garbage-y

22:14SPEAKERafter a long time, is that they get dithered

22:16SPEAKERand the compression artifacts start building up and--

22:18SPEAKER- Right, like, compression is basically just removing

22:20SPEAKERinformation that is kind of deemed inessential

22:22SPEAKERto the quality of the thing,

22:24SPEAKERor hopefully as seamless as possible,

22:25SPEAKERwhether it's, like, frequencies you can't hear in audio

22:28SPEAKERor, like, flat color regions and an image being

22:32SPEAKERkind of flattened down even more and stuff like that.

22:34SPEAKERBut the way that I, to flip this on its head a little bit,

22:39SPEAKERlike, the way that I've learned to think about things

22:41SPEAKERlike FLAC, like lossless compression,

22:44SPEAKERis that it's essentially just a zip file for an audio track.

22:47SPEAKER- Yeah, maybe with better algorithms

22:49SPEAKERfor compressing that particular type of media, but yeah.

22:51SPEAKER- Yeah, I'm being very reductive,

22:53SPEAKERbut just, I guess, more to the point,

22:54SPEAKERlike, in the same way that you could put a text file

22:56SPEAKERin a zip file and then pull that text file back out,

22:58SPEAKERand it's not like a third of the A's

23:00SPEAKERare now missing from that text file, right?

23:01SPEAKERLike, it's the exact same text you put in there.

23:03SPEAKERLike, it's the same thing for, like, you know,

23:06SPEAKERlossless image, lossless audio.

23:07SPEAKERLike, you're getting the exact same thing out

23:09SPEAKERthat you put into it.

23:10SPEAKERIt's just smaller until you do that.

23:12SPEAKER- Well, so here's the thing, though.

23:14SPEAKERLike, the thing about images that are interesting,

23:16SPEAKER'cause, like, on websites, the people who make the images

23:18SPEAKERand design the websites probably care about

23:19SPEAKERwhat they look like more than anybody who uses the website.

23:22SPEAKER- That is almost certainly true.

23:24SPEAKER- Right, so they're probably gonna do pings,

23:26SPEAKERwherever it makes sense, until they run it

23:28SPEAKERinto the how heavy is my page thing on mobile,

23:30SPEAKERand then they were like, oh, man,

23:32SPEAKERthe people on the iPhone 4s on a 3G network

23:35SPEAKERare gonna have a real bad time with this.

23:36SPEAKERBut there's no people with iPhone 4s on a 3G network anymore

23:39SPEAKERthat are probably hitting most websites, so who cares?

23:41SPEAKER- Yeah. - Fuck 'em.

23:42SPEAKERThe, oh, look, I'm sorry, iPhone 4 users.

23:46SPEAKER(laughing)

23:48SPEAKERThe next step of this is,

23:52SPEAKERlike, the users, are the users gonna demand lossless audio

23:57SPEAKERon their streaming services?

24:00SPEAKERAnd Apple's made a big bet on this.

24:02SPEAKERLike, they do a lot of lossless stuff.

24:03SPEAKERThey do lossless across to their headsets,

24:06SPEAKERto the AirPods Pro and the AirPods Max.

24:08SPEAKER- I did not know that.

24:09SPEAKERDoes Apple Music also offer a lossless?

24:11SPEAKERI thought, after the kind of title fiasco,

24:14SPEAKERI thought that people had backed away from lossless

24:16SPEAKERaudio streaming.

24:17SPEAKER- Well, that was on Match.

24:18SPEAKERThe lossless stuff on Apple Music is, it's an option,

24:22SPEAKERso you can get it, and I'm gonna confirm right now,

24:24SPEAKERbut you can choose to download lossless

24:28SPEAKERbased on what type of connection you're on on Apple Music.

24:30SPEAKER- Is that an upsell?

24:31SPEAKERLike, you have to subscribe to some, really?

24:33SPEAKERIt's just part of the base package?

24:34SPEAKER- Part of the deal.

24:35SPEAKER- Jeez, that's interesting.

24:36SPEAKER- I don't know how to find my settings on Apple Music,

24:39SPEAKERbut anyway, so yeah, like, that's where you're at.

24:44SPEAKERRight?

24:45SPEAKERAnd I don't think people care, is the bad thing.

24:51SPEAKER- Yeah, you're absolutely right.

24:52SPEAKER- Like, people watch video on YouTube,

24:54SPEAKERand YouTube is the shittiest compression for video

24:56SPEAKERon the internet, pretty consistently.

24:58SPEAKER- Oh, for sure.

25:00SPEAKERI think we've talked about this many times, right?

25:01SPEAKERLike, in many contexts, like, good enough

25:03SPEAKERis generally good enough, right?

25:04SPEAKERLike, that's why VHS beat out beta,

25:07SPEAKERand like, you named the format war the good enough one

25:12SPEAKERthat is cheaper, usually, is the one that wins, right?

25:14SPEAKER- So, Apple Music has a lossless audio option.

25:16SPEAKERYou can flip it on, and then you can say,

25:18SPEAKER"Okay, then this is where it gets stupid."

25:20SPEAKERDo you want to download...

25:23SPEAKERWhich quality do you wanna download on cellular?

25:25SPEAKERHigh, that's lossy compressed.

25:28SPEAKERFor downloads, that's lossless.

25:30SPEAKERFor 5G and Wi-Fi, I don't know why in the hell

25:33SPEAKERthey would bundle a cellular network with the caps,

25:36SPEAKERand the home network without caps.

25:40SPEAKERSo, yeah, anyway, high-res lossless.

25:42SPEAKERIt's a weird thing.

25:45SPEAKERLike, Tidal and Apple Music seem to be the only ones

25:47SPEAKERthat care about that.

25:48SPEAKERSpotify, on the other hand, is just like,

25:50SPEAKER"Hey, not only do we not really care what the quality is like,

25:53SPEAKERwe'll also send you a cover of the song that you want.

25:56SPEAKERIf you wanna listen to the bangles walk like an Egyptian,

25:59SPEAKERand you don't say, 'Play the bangles walk like an Egyptian,'

26:01SPEAKERthen it'll just give you, like, some chud in Kansas

26:04SPEAKERsinging 'Walk Like an Egyptian,'

26:06SPEAKERthat sounds pretty much like the bangles, but not quite."

26:09SPEAKERAnd there'll be a line or two about Fortnite

26:10SPEAKERin there somewhere.

26:11SPEAKER- It's not okay.

26:13SPEAKER- Yeah.

26:15SPEAKERAnyway, let's see here.

26:19SPEAKER- Ping is the correct answer.

26:20SPEAKER- Ping, yeah, I think you're fine to say ping.

26:25SPEAKERLet's see, how about a question from Grant.

26:29SPEAKER- Hi, Grant.

26:30SPEAKER- We talked about this two episodes ago, I think,

26:34SPEAKERwhen I had had a little bit of minor emotion sickness

26:36SPEAKERcoming out of VR.

26:37SPEAKER- Yeah.

26:38SPEAKER- We talked about that you can build up a tolerance.

26:40SPEAKER- Yes.

26:41SPEAKER- But it takes some time.

26:42SPEAKER- And not everybody can do it.

26:43SPEAKER- Oh, interesting, okay.

26:44SPEAKERSo here's a follow-up question from Grant.

26:46SPEAKERWill building up a tolerance to VR sickness

26:48SPEAKERhelp folks flying into space not get space sick?

26:51SPEAKERIn other words, will spending increasingly long times

26:53SPEAKERand bad VR implementations here on Earth

26:55SPEAKERhelp me for my one-way trip to Mars?

26:57SPEAKER- Oh, there's a lot to unpack here.

26:58SPEAKER- Yeah, but I mean, more generally,

27:00SPEAKERI like to, as an actual serious question,

27:02SPEAKERlike people have all kinds of actual motion sickness issues

27:05SPEAKERin cars, planes, whatever, like--

27:08SPEAKER- Yeah.

27:09SPEAKER- Like do you think there is a correlation there

27:12SPEAKERthat you could desensitize yourself in VR

27:14SPEAKERand then have that apply to like car sickness?

27:16SPEAKER- I'm really curious.

27:17SPEAKERSo I don't get motion sick at all on Earth, right?

27:21SPEAKERLike I can do almost anything

27:22SPEAKERthat makes everybody motion sick

27:24SPEAKERand nothing ever happens to me.

27:25SPEAKER- And you're talking actual motion,

27:27SPEAKERnot virtual motion in VR?

27:28SPEAKER- Like I can play-- - Really?

27:30SPEAKER- I can play badly implemented VR games

27:33SPEAKERin the back of a moving car driving up US-1

27:35SPEAKERand not get motion checked.

27:36SPEAKER- Jeez, man, that's, you have inner ears of steel.

27:39SPEAKER- Well, it's a thing,

27:41SPEAKERso we learned about this a little bit at Tested

27:43SPEAKER'cause Jamie Heinemann's the same way.

27:45SPEAKERLike they could put, they found out really early on,

27:47SPEAKERhe just, his brain isn't set up so that he doesn't get,

27:50SPEAKERlike he's able to divest.

27:52SPEAKEROkay, so the physiological basis for motion sickness

27:54SPEAKERgenerally is that your inner ear detects movement

27:56SPEAKERthat your eyes don't or vice versa.

27:58SPEAKERSo in VR, often your eyes will see movement

28:01SPEAKERand your brain is like, oh, I should be feeling movement

28:03SPEAKERin my ears, but then you feel nothing.

28:05SPEAKERThe motion sickness you get in space

28:07SPEAKERis a little bit different 'cause a lot of it is,

28:09SPEAKERthere's two things that happen.

28:10SPEAKEROne is that, you know, normally because of gravity,

28:13SPEAKERour fluids kind of pool in our lower half of our body,

28:17SPEAKERlike our legs carry a lot of fluid

28:18SPEAKERand when you're in microgravity,

28:20SPEAKERall of that liquid redistributes itself evenly

28:22SPEAKERthroughout your body over a period of like three, four days,

28:25SPEAKERpretty unpleasant.

28:26SPEAKER- Yikes. - You get real stuffy

28:28SPEAKERand stuffed up and-- - I was gonna say,

28:29SPEAKERdo you get kind of bloated feeling sort of, I mean.

28:32SPEAKER- You get sausage fingers is what the astronauts

28:34SPEAKERhave told me. - I don't know.

28:35SPEAKER- Not like bad sausage fingers,

28:36SPEAKERbut like you feel like you've,

28:38SPEAKERyou feel like you ate a really,

28:40SPEAKERlike a giant salt bomb of a meal for like a week

28:43SPEAKERand get super stuffed up.

28:44SPEAKER- That's very unpleasant to contemplate.

28:46SPEAKER- It seemed unpleasant and like the,

28:48SPEAKERapparently I've never gotten any of them to get into it

28:50SPEAKERwhen I've talked to them,

28:51SPEAKERbut like the mechanics of blowing your nose--

28:54SPEAKER- Oh no. - In space are unpleasant.

28:57SPEAKER- Mechanics of a lot of things,

28:58SPEAKERI'm sure are a pretty big wake-up call

29:01SPEAKERonce you get up there.

29:01SPEAKER- Yeah, there's a reason a lot of astronauts

29:03SPEAKERdon't have giant beards is what I'm saying.

29:05SPEAKER- Yuck.

29:06SPEAKERHave you ever thought to yourself

29:10SPEAKERhow kind of disappointing it is that like,

29:13SPEAKERlike look, we're nowhere near a civilization in space,

29:17SPEAKERoff-world exploration, like XYZ,

29:20SPEAKERlike aspirational far-flung space thing,

29:23SPEAKERlike it's not gonna happen anytime soon, right?

29:24SPEAKERLike I'm not saying that,

29:26SPEAKERbut even if it were a possibility,

29:28SPEAKERhave you ever felt disappointed

29:29SPEAKERthat like all those like mid-century visions

29:33SPEAKERof like space civilizations are basically going

29:37SPEAKERto be impossible due to just the basic frailty

29:39SPEAKERof the human body in space?

29:41SPEAKERLike there are so many things that we didn't account for,

29:43SPEAKERlike reading some old Arthur C. Clarke a few weeks ago,

29:47SPEAKERI think I talked about on the show,

29:48SPEAKERlike those old stories are full of like,

29:50SPEAKERagain, aspirational visions of like space stations

29:53SPEAKERand like, oh, there's a cardiac center in orbit around Earth

29:56SPEAKERbecause it turns out that low gravity is good for the heart.

29:58SPEAKERLike they had all these ideas about stuff like that, right?

30:00SPEAKER- Yep.

30:01SPEAKER- And then the reality is like,

30:02SPEAKERoh boy, the body just sort of like ceases to function

30:05SPEAKERif you're in low gravity for too long

30:07SPEAKERor there's all this cosmic radiation

30:08SPEAKERthat is just going to fry you over time.

30:10SPEAKERLike if you're so poorly adapted to be in space at all.

30:14SPEAKER- Some people just start losing eye function.

30:17SPEAKER- What?

30:18SPEAKER- Yeah, so.

30:19SPEAKER- I didn't even know about that one.

30:21SPEAKER- Like basically when you go up

30:22SPEAKERand this can happen anytime,

30:23SPEAKERyou could have been up before for a long time

30:25SPEAKERand go back again and it happens the second or third time.

30:28SPEAKERSo you'll start losing,

30:29SPEAKERyou start having a reduction in visual acuity,

30:33SPEAKERwhich they counter by basically eating a zero salt diet

30:36SPEAKERat that point, a very low salt diet.

30:39SPEAKERSo yeah, like the thing that's happened is,

30:42SPEAKERlike I distinctly remember reading

30:44SPEAKEReither the forward or the afterward

30:46SPEAKERfor either one of the Arthur C. Clarke 2001 books,

30:49SPEAKEReither 2001, 2010, or the one that came out in the '80s,

30:52SPEAKER2016, the Halley's Comet one, I can't remember.

30:55SPEAKERAnyway, and he basically was like,

30:57SPEAKERlook, if we hadn't pissed away all this money in Vietnam,

31:00SPEAKERwe would have had money to build out low earth orbit, right?

31:03SPEAKERLike the money we spent losing Vietnam for 10 years

31:07SPEAKERwould have paid for this and more,

31:08SPEAKERand all these social plans and all this.

31:12SPEAKERAnd the thing that's become clear over the last 20 years,

31:14SPEAKERespecially since we started living in ISS

31:17SPEAKERand had astronauts and cosmonauts stay there

31:19SPEAKERfor months and years is that it is everything

31:23SPEAKERthat we thought was gonna be hard is infinitely harder

31:26SPEAKERthan we thought it was going to be.

31:27SPEAKER- Yeah, exactly.

31:31SPEAKER- But yeah, no, I feel like, I mean, I feel like,

31:34SPEAKERI think we'll see one way trips to Mars in our lifetime.

31:38SPEAKER- Wow, you really think in our lifetime, like I'm not.

31:41SPEAKER- I mean, I feel like I have a few years left.

31:44SPEAKER- Well, I know, but the way things seem to be trending,

31:48SPEAKERI don't know.

31:48SPEAKER- Well, I mean, fair.

31:51SPEAKER- Feels like we're gonna have a lot of more pressing

31:53SPEAKERproblems on our hands to, I don't know.

31:56SPEAKER- So the TLDR on Grant's question though,

31:58SPEAKERnot to forget to answer the actual question is,

32:01SPEAKERI don't think that bad VR is gonna help you

32:05SPEAKERnot get space sick.

32:08SPEAKERI think that it might, if you have visual

32:11SPEAKERand if you're especially sensitive to the visual

32:14SPEAKERand ear separation stuff, but my guess is it's not,

32:19SPEAKERI'm sure that we have a physiologist or somebody

32:21SPEAKERin the discord who actually knows the answer to this

32:24SPEAKERand I would love to hear it.

32:25SPEAKERSo please write in if you do or to techbot@content.town.

32:29SPEAKER- For sure.

32:30SPEAKER- That's a guess, just to be clear.

32:35SPEAKER- Here's the question. - Can we do this next one?

32:36SPEAKERThe frostbite one?

32:37SPEAKERIt's not highlighted, but it's pretty good.

32:39SPEAKER- Which one?

32:40SPEAKER- Oh, geez, well, I thought about saving Thanksgiving

32:45SPEAKERtopic or questions for the patron episode, but sure.

32:48SPEAKERLet's throw it out there.

32:49SPEAKER- It's 'tis the season.

32:50SPEAKER- Frostbite 1231, what's the best Thanksgiving side dish?

32:53SPEAKER- Stuffing.

32:54SPEAKER- Wow.

32:55SPEAKER- Maybe your mom's broccoli casserole

32:56SPEAKERactually is the real answer 'cause it has stuffing in it.

32:58SPEAKER- But that's flattering of you to say.

33:01SPEAKERSo first of all, I became aware of green bean casserole

33:05SPEAKERa few days ago.

33:06SPEAKER- You've had green bean casserole at our house before.

33:08SPEAKER- Well, no, no, no, let me finish.

33:10SPEAKERI became aware of it as a staple of Thanksgiving.

33:13SPEAKER- Oh yeah, it's a thing.

33:14SPEAKER- Here's how I know.

33:14SPEAKERI had it at your house and I've had it,

33:16SPEAKERbut I didn't realize, so here's how I know it's a staple.

33:20SPEAKERI saw some meme going around on Twitter,

33:21SPEAKERone of those like, which one would you eliminate?

33:23SPEAKERAnd it's like a three by three grid

33:25SPEAKERof Thanksgiving foods, right?

33:26SPEAKERAnd green bean casserole was on that list.

33:29SPEAKERAnd I was like, oh wow, people actually considered

33:30SPEAKERthat green bean casserole a pillar of Thanksgiving,

33:34SPEAKERapparently, which-

33:34SPEAKER- I didn't know that mac and cheese

33:35SPEAKERis a pillar of Thanksgiving.

33:36SPEAKER- Wait, what?

33:37SPEAKER- No, we never had mac and cheese when I was a kid.

33:38SPEAKER- Oh my God, like mac and cheese accompanied

33:41SPEAKERliterally every family get together

33:43SPEAKERand holiday of any kind ever when I was growing up.

33:47SPEAKER- So the other one that we, I didn't know for a long time,

33:50SPEAKERmy mom doesn't like mashed potatoes particularly.

33:53SPEAKER- What?

33:54SPEAKER- I know, it's weird.

33:55SPEAKER- Oh man.

33:56SPEAKER- So we didn't, we had rice with our Thanksgiving meal

33:58SPEAKERfor many, many years, like rice and gravy.

33:59SPEAKER- Rice and gravy.

34:00SPEAKER- Pretty good, but it's no mashed potatoes.

34:02SPEAKER- That's basically the only way I had rice growing up

34:05SPEAKERwas with gravy.

34:06SPEAKER- Yeah, we would put butter and sugar on it

34:07SPEAKERfor breakfast sometimes.

34:08SPEAKER- Was not exposed to the many, many, many other uses of rice

34:11SPEAKERthat I have since become acquainted with.

34:13SPEAKER- It turns out rice is amazing.

34:15SPEAKER- It's pretty good, pretty versatile.

34:16SPEAKERNow I'm sitting here Googling the broccoli casserole

34:19SPEAKERbecause I don't know what the name of that is exactly

34:21SPEAKERand I wouldn't know how to tell people like what to look up.

34:24SPEAKERWe always just called it broccoli casserole.

34:26SPEAKER- I mean, it's, your mom sent me a hand,

34:28SPEAKERwhen I asked for the recipe,

34:29SPEAKERshe sent a handwritten note as I recall.

34:31SPEAKER- Like I think she literally has a thing of recipes

34:34SPEAKERthat she hand wrote down from her mom.

34:36SPEAKER- So it is, the things that go in it are some broccoli,

34:39SPEAKERthere's a couple of kinds of cheese and butter

34:41SPEAKERand then it's just, I wanna say Pepperidge Farms stuffing.

34:45SPEAKER- Okay.

34:46SPEAKER- Like the sagey crumb stuffing.

34:48SPEAKER- That sounds right.

34:49SPEAKER- And it's delish.

34:50SPEAKER- It's really, really good.

34:51SPEAKER- Very good, extremely heavy.

34:53SPEAKER- Yeah, like it's like you get like four bites maybe

34:56SPEAKERand you part, that's, I'll tell you what,

34:59SPEAKERwhen we have that, 'cause we made it at Christmas last year,

35:02SPEAKERit is the thing that I save on my plate for the last bite.

35:04SPEAKER- Wow.

35:05SPEAKER- Yeah.

35:06SPEAKER- And it's high praise.

35:07SPEAKER- Yeah.

35:08SPEAKER- It was the thing that always got slaughtered the fastest

35:10SPEAKERwhen people got to get together, especially like,

35:13SPEAKERespecially growing up, like when we were all like teenagers

35:16SPEAKERand growing and wanted to eat a lot,

35:18SPEAKERlike that was the thing that just got decimated.

35:20SPEAKER- Well, it hits all of the casserole notes,

35:23SPEAKERlike it's like incredibly, it's packed with flavor,

35:26SPEAKERit's salty and there's a good texture to it

35:29SPEAKERand it's like got some gooey bits and it's very rich.

35:32SPEAKER- Yeah.

35:33SPEAKER- Yeah.

35:34SPEAKER- Some texture in there, you know,

35:35SPEAKERit's got a little bit of a bite to it.

35:36SPEAKER- Yeah, so shout out to Brad's mom.

35:37SPEAKER- Yeah, you might've convinced me,

35:40SPEAKERI would've just said stuffing as well,

35:42SPEAKERbut I think I might actually go with the broccoli casserole.

35:44SPEAKER- Because the broccoli casserole has the stuffing in it.

35:47SPEAKER- Sure.

35:48SPEAKER- That is like, it's like a twofer.

35:50SPEAKER- I will say though, I mean, y'all make the butt stuffing,

35:53SPEAKERthe actual stuffing, in fact,

35:55SPEAKERshould I just read this other?

35:57SPEAKER- Is there another stuffing email?

35:58SPEAKER- Oh yeah, there's like three other emails.

36:00SPEAKER- The reason I like doing this, the secret reason,

36:02SPEAKERit's not secret 'cause I tell everybody this,

36:04SPEAKERthe reason I like the spatchcocking is 'cause you,

36:06SPEAKERinstead of just the amount of stuffing you can pack

36:08SPEAKERinto the cavity without getting food poisoning,

36:10SPEAKERyou lay the entire turkey on a mound of stuffing.

36:13SPEAKERSo all of the fat from the bird drips down

36:16SPEAKERthrough the stuffing as it's cooking.

36:17SPEAKER- Okay, now that I've witnessed the spatchcocking process,

36:20SPEAKERI totally get that, it's just a question of surface area.

36:23SPEAKER- Yeah, so you get like, instead of having

36:25SPEAKERlike one little precious tub of butt stuffing

36:28SPEAKERand then a whole butt load of kind of dry, sad stuff

36:31SPEAKERand there's butter on it.

36:32SPEAKER- Nobody wants the sad stuffing.

36:33SPEAKER- No, no, you get all good stuffing, so think about it.

36:37SPEAKER- You just have to make sure to keep the thermometer around.

36:41SPEAKER- Well, no, no, so with the spatchcocking,

36:43SPEAKERthere's no problem 'cause when you're done,

36:46SPEAKERwhen the bird's done, I mean A,

36:48SPEAKERwhen you're cooking Thanksgiving,

36:49SPEAKERthe best way to make sure you don't food poison everybody

36:51SPEAKERis to get a Thermapen if you wanna buy the fancy one

36:56SPEAKERor the Thermapop is like a $20,

36:58SPEAKERit's an instant read digital thermometer,

37:01SPEAKERit's ISI certified, it's like a super good thermometer

37:04SPEAKERand the cheap version is awesome too.

37:07SPEAKERAnd yeah, as long as it hits 165 in the middle,

37:09SPEAKERyou're fine and in the spatchcocking, it always happens

37:11SPEAKERbecause the surface area of being heated,

37:15SPEAKERit's like not inside the cavity of the bird

37:16SPEAKERwhere it's the last thing to eat.

37:18SPEAKER- Interesting, okay.

37:19SPEAKERSo did you start spatchcocking midstream

37:23SPEAKERbecause I feel like early Thanksgivings at your house,

37:24SPEAKERyou did have a thermometer out for the butt stuffing.

37:27SPEAKER- Well, I mean, I always thermometer everything,

37:29SPEAKERI don't wanna make anybody sick.

37:31SPEAKER- Just being safe, it's conscientious.

37:33SPEAKER- We started spatchcocking probably like 2013 or 2012

37:38SPEAKERwould be my guess, so it was early on.

37:40SPEAKER- Okay, sure.

37:41SPEAKER- Like whenever America's Test Kitchen did that,

37:44SPEAKERMartha Stewart's deconstructed, reconstructed turkey,

37:46SPEAKERthat's when I started spatchcocking

37:48SPEAKER'cause this is amazing.

37:50SPEAKER- You know what, I'm just gonna read

37:51SPEAKERthe other two stuffing emails.

37:53SPEAKER- Let's do it. - Let's just do them all here.

37:55SPEAKERRKHarris62, apparently this was an argument

37:58SPEAKERin the Food Channel on the Discord.

38:00SPEAKER- Perfect, I love arguments.

38:01SPEAKER- Do you call the classic Thanksgiving side dish

38:03SPEAKERdressing or stuffing, particularly when it's not

38:05SPEAKERactually being stuffed inside a turkey?

38:07SPEAKER- Always stuffing. - Always.

38:09SPEAKER- Yeah, dressing should be a liquid to me.

38:13SPEAKER- Yeah, I'm with you, but early on in my life,

38:15SPEAKERlike when I was a young child,

38:17SPEAKERI would have called it dressing 'cause that's,

38:19SPEAKERI'm guessing that was like I kinda handed down

38:21SPEAKERfrom the old timers.

38:23SPEAKER- This is very much a regional thing too.

38:24SPEAKERI feel like dressing the further south you get,

38:26SPEAKERthe more likely it is to be called dressing.

38:28SPEAKER- Okay.

38:29SPEAKER- But I don't know, it's always stuffing in my house.

38:32SPEAKER- I can remember my grandmother calling it dressing.

38:36SPEAKERBut also they called lunch dinner and dinner supper.

38:42SPEAKER- We had dinner, we had dinner.

38:43SPEAKER- Did you have that?

38:44SPEAKER- That was definitely a country,

38:45SPEAKERlike the farmers around me would say,

38:47SPEAKER"Hey, you wanna come over for dinner?"

38:48SPEAKERAnd they would do, like this is on working farms,

38:52SPEAKERnot like toy farms, where they would have the farm hands

38:54SPEAKERand like do the whole biscuits and gravy

38:57SPEAKERand you know, salt pork and stuff like that at lunch.

39:01SPEAKERAnd then on a big picnic table outside,

39:03SPEAKERthen we'd go back to work for 20 minutes.

39:05SPEAKER- That's pretty much, that was pretty much,

39:07SPEAKERdinner was the midday meal for them.

39:09SPEAKER- And just to be clear, that was probably the big meal

39:12SPEAKERfor those folks, I would guess.

39:14SPEAKER- But yes, these days, stuffing, 100%.

39:16SPEAKER- Stuffing, yeah.

39:18SPEAKER- All right, last one from Worf, son of Moog.

39:21SPEAKERSweet stuffing or savory stuffing?

39:23SPEAKER- Sausage stuffing for life,

39:25SPEAKERsweet stuffing can suck it, they say.

39:27SPEAKER- Man, I've never had sweet stuffing before.

39:29SPEAKER- It's actually the main reason

39:31SPEAKERthat I mentioned the sausage stuffing here

39:34SPEAKERis that we had stuffing yesterday

39:36SPEAKERthat had both apples and Italian sausage in it.

39:38SPEAKER- Ooh, how was that?

39:40SPEAKER- Pretty damn good.

39:41SPEAKERPretty damn good.

39:42SPEAKER- Were the Italian sausage chunks or discs?

39:44SPEAKER- Chunks.

39:45SPEAKER- Chunks.

39:45SPEAKER- Like a, yeah.

39:46SPEAKER- Sweet Italian or a?

39:47SPEAKER- Yeah, sorta, not spicy.

39:51SPEAKER- Not really, no.

39:53SPEAKERIt was a sourdough bread base,

39:54SPEAKERlike just literal loaf of sourdough bread

39:57SPEAKERallowed to get stale.

39:59SPEAKER- Yeah, I don't think I've ever had a stuffing

40:02SPEAKERI didn't like, so I'd try whatever.

40:04SPEAKER- Yeah, it's kinda hard to screw up.

40:06SPEAKERI feel like I'm tempting fate by saying that,

40:09SPEAKERbut I can't really think of how you could actually

40:11SPEAKERmake truly bad stuffing.

40:13SPEAKER- When we first moved here, we had,

40:18SPEAKERa friend of ours invited us to,

40:20SPEAKERa friend of hers, like Friendsgiving,

40:23SPEAKERand it was a bunch of Italian,

40:24SPEAKERlike children of Italian folks, and also chefs.

40:28SPEAKERSo the chefs made like three different kinds of protein.

40:30SPEAKERWe had like lamb and beef and turkey,

40:33SPEAKERand then somebody made a fish,

40:35SPEAKERand the Italians all just made pasta dishes,

40:37SPEAKERexcept this one woman made a stuffing

40:41SPEAKERthat was like, it was like coastal stuffing.

40:44SPEAKERLike it was kind of, it was like,

40:46SPEAKERwhat I did, I wish I had asked her about it,

40:48SPEAKERbut my guess is it's like Pacific Coast equivalent

40:52SPEAKERof like New England oyster stuffing,

40:56SPEAKER'cause it was like Dungeness crab,

40:58SPEAKERand there were some cranberries in there.

41:00SPEAKERIt was a real like, you got all of the salt, fat, acid heat,

41:06SPEAKERlike, except for the heat, there was no heat, I guess,

41:08SPEAKERbut you got salt, fat, acid,

41:09SPEAKERand there was a little bit of sweet in there,

41:11SPEAKERand it was delish.

41:12SPEAKER- That sounds pretty good.

41:13SPEAKERIs oyster stuffing actually a thing?

41:15SPEAKER- Yeah, oyster stuffing's a thing.

41:16SPEAKERSo you put, you chuck them in with it,

41:19SPEAKERand you get, they like steam inside those.

41:21SPEAKER- Oh, that sounds good as hell.

41:23SPEAKER- Yeah, they're pretty delish.

41:25SPEAKERYou want small oysters, I think,

41:26SPEAKERfor that not big chunky ones.

41:28SPEAKER- Is it legal to go make more stuffing after this?

41:31SPEAKER- You can have stuffing anytime you want.

41:33SPEAKERLook, now that you spatchcocked the bird,

41:35SPEAKERyou can have stuffing literally anytime you want.

41:37SPEAKER- Oh no, don't tell me that.

41:38SPEAKER- 'Cause if you'd put that bird on a pile of stuffing,

41:40SPEAKERyou'd have butt stuffing right now.

41:41SPEAKER- Do not put ideas into my head.

41:43SPEAKERWe have to move on.

41:44SPEAKER- I really want to go up and get oysters now also.

41:46SPEAKER- Yeah, I don't know why you just put the idea

41:48SPEAKERof oysters in my head, and I really...

41:50SPEAKER- Do you guys ever do that, go up to Bodega Bay

41:53SPEAKERor Tomales Bay and just go to the places

41:54SPEAKERwith the picnic tables and buy a half bushel of oysters

41:57SPEAKERand sit down and eat them?

41:58SPEAKER- No, how much is a bushel?

42:01SPEAKER- A bushel's a lot.

42:02SPEAKERA bushel's like a big giant basket.

42:04SPEAKERLike we would buy, we would usually buy like 36

42:06SPEAKERfor like four people, probably.

42:09SPEAKER- That's a decent amount. - Maybe go back for some more.

42:10SPEAKER- Yeah, that's a decent amount.

42:12SPEAKERWe have not done that.

42:12SPEAKERWe've had oysters around here pretty recently, but not...

42:16SPEAKER- Yeah.

42:16SPEAKER- Right there on the coast.

42:17SPEAKER- But when you get them right where they pull them in

42:20SPEAKERand you get them, like they wash them

42:21SPEAKERand then they put them out, it's a pretty,

42:25SPEAKERlike they're good here, they're really good here.

42:27SPEAKER- Just like minutes out of the water to your mouth?

42:30SPEAKER- Yeah, dude.

42:30SPEAKER- I am.

42:31SPEAKER- They're so briny, like you get a big salt shot

42:34SPEAKERwhen you drink them.

42:34SPEAKER- Oh, that sounds so good, that sounds so good.

42:36SPEAKEROpen oyster.

42:37SPEAKERAll right, Ariettis, I'm gonna say that's close.

42:41SPEAKER- That's close, yeah.

42:42SPEAKER- Seeing as how November 14th was the 20th anniversary

42:45SPEAKERof the original Xbox, I thought it'd be fun to look back.

42:48SPEAKERWhat were the big touted features

42:49SPEAKERand what were you guys blown away by when it first came out?

42:52SPEAKERI was only 10 at the time,

42:53SPEAKERso I don't really remember anything about the hype,

42:56SPEAKERbut I do remember being super happy with my brother

42:58SPEAKERand I got one for Christmas that year

42:59SPEAKERalong with Halo and NFL Fever 2002.

43:03SPEAKERI was kind of curious what you would have to say about this

43:05SPEAKER'cause like I was more or less working in the games press,

43:08SPEAKERbut you were way more-

43:10SPEAKER- I was in max PC.

43:11SPEAKER- Right, you were way more on the PC side

43:13SPEAKERand like that thing being kind of a hobbled integrated PC,

43:18SPEAKERlike I'm curious what the perspective was on your side.

43:22SPEAKER- Yeah, the thing that they kept telling us

43:24SPEAKERwas that there was gonna be good game support for it

43:27SPEAKERbecause it was easy to port PC games over

43:29SPEAKERbecause it was just x86 and like it was basically,

43:33SPEAKERI think it was like an N-Force 2 basically, right?

43:36SPEAKERWith a kind of souped up GPU.

43:37SPEAKER- I think you're right, yeah.

43:38SPEAKERWasn't it kind of a GeForce 3+ in that thing?

43:42SPEAKER- It was a GeForce MX basically is my recollection.

43:46SPEAKER- Okay.

43:47SPEAKER- But yeah, so the thing that I remember

43:50SPEAKERpeople being really stoked about,

43:52SPEAKER'cause I don't think I bought an OG Xbox

43:54SPEAKERuntil Xbox Live was around.

43:56SPEAKERAnd as soon as Xbox Live hit and Halo 2 came out

43:59SPEAKERand I could play multiplayer stuff with voice,

44:03SPEAKERthat was a big, big deal.

44:05SPEAKERLike I remember being really excited

44:07SPEAKERto like be able to hang out with my,

44:09SPEAKERlike it was really,

44:10SPEAKERlike I'd played a lot of multiplayer stuff

44:11SPEAKERand like we would play Battlefield 1942

44:13SPEAKERand Battlefield 2 eventually and stuff like that

44:16SPEAKERin the office, Quake 3 whatever in the office after work.

44:19SPEAKERBut like it was hard.

44:22SPEAKERI mean, I guess TeamSpeak existed then,

44:25SPEAKERbut it was unusual.

44:27SPEAKERIt wasn't until probably Team Fortress 2

44:31SPEAKERthat like I got into a group of friends

44:34SPEAKERthat were playing on a TeamSpeak server

44:36SPEAKERand we would all just play together.

44:37SPEAKERSo it was nice 'cause I could hang out with my friends

44:39SPEAKERafter work and we'd play video games together.

44:42SPEAKER- I remember thinking it was cool

44:44SPEAKERthat they were shipping a console

44:45SPEAKERwith ethernet and a hard drive in it.

44:47SPEAKER- Yeah.

44:47SPEAKER- Like I remember thinking like,

44:48SPEAKER"Oh wow, that's like very forward thinking."

44:50SPEAKERBut at the same time,

44:51SPEAKERI was so deep into the PC at that time

44:52SPEAKERthat I was like, I admired the Xbox,

44:55SPEAKERbut still only played it like it was a console.

44:57SPEAKERLike anything like we were talking about,

44:59SPEAKERI just did on the PC already, right?

45:01SPEAKER'Cause it's like,

45:02SPEAKER"Oh, like I'm already playing shooters over here

45:04SPEAKERwith a mouse and you know, better frame rates."

45:07SPEAKERAnd like, I can already talk to people and stuff.

45:09SPEAKER- I think I played KOTOR on the original Xbox probably.

45:12SPEAKER- Yes.

45:13SPEAKER- But I think that's 'cause it came out there first.

45:14SPEAKERI can't remember.

45:15SPEAKER- That sounds right.

45:17SPEAKER- But yeah, it was very much a,

45:20SPEAKERthis is gonna go in the second bedroom with the extra TV

45:24SPEAKERand it's a place to play video games.

45:26SPEAKERAnd also, like I feel like Gina and I made,

45:29SPEAKERwhen did, was Burnout 3 an original Xbox game or was that?

45:32SPEAKERYeah.

45:34SPEAKERSo we played a lot of Burnout 3.

45:35SPEAKERWe played a lot of like racing games

45:36SPEAKERand stuff like that on that.

45:37SPEAKER- Sure.

45:38SPEAKER- Yeah.

45:39SPEAKER- And eventually what the Xbox was was my first exposure

45:41SPEAKERto the idea of kind of, how could I describe it?

45:45SPEAKERLike rich presence in an application,

45:47SPEAKERsort of like constant, constant, always online internet

45:50SPEAKERupdating information type stuff.

45:52SPEAKERSpecifically, specifically an Xbox media center.

45:54SPEAKERLike when I, toward the end, when I soft modded my Xbox

45:57SPEAKERand put XBMC on there and like,

45:59SPEAKERI fired it up for the first time

46:00SPEAKERand there's a little news scroll at the bottom of it.

46:02SPEAKERI was like, "Holy fucking shit.

46:03SPEAKERThis is the coolest thing I've ever seen."

46:05SPEAKER- Yeah.

46:06SPEAKER- But this thing is constantly pulling in real time data

46:08SPEAKERfrom somewhere that I can't see

46:10SPEAKERand updating itself with it.

46:11SPEAKERYou know what I mean?

46:12SPEAKER- Yep.

46:13SPEAKER- Like it was just the idea of always online,

46:14SPEAKERalways connected stuff was so new at that time.

46:17SPEAKER- It's funny 'cause like that whole,

46:19SPEAKERlike did they have parties on the original Xbox too?

46:22SPEAKER- I don't think so.

46:23SPEAKERIt was very rudimentary.

46:25SPEAKERLike, 'cause remember like the idea of actual rich presence,

46:29SPEAKERwhich was like a marketing term that Microsoft used, right?

46:31SPEAKER- Yeah.

46:32SPEAKER- And they was new on the 360.

46:33SPEAKERWhen they launched the 360,

46:34SPEAKERthe idea that you could look at friends list

46:35SPEAKERand see what people were doing was like mind blowing.

46:38SPEAKER- Right, 'cause the games,

46:39SPEAKERthere was no system level friends list.

46:42SPEAKERI mean, there was a system level friends list

46:43SPEAKERfor gamer tags, but like each game was responsible

46:46SPEAKERfor implementing that stuff on the Xbox,

46:48SPEAKERthe OG Xbox, I think.

46:49SPEAKERI remember I played, that's kind of the system.

46:52SPEAKERLike I was friends with some people kind of casually,

46:55SPEAKERthey'll be like, "We'd go watch football games

46:56SPEAKERand stuff together at bars."

46:58SPEAKERBut then "Links" came out

46:59SPEAKERand we started playing "Links" once or twice a week

47:01SPEAKERand would just hang out and do video golf.

47:04SPEAKERAnd like, it was such a pleasant experience

47:07SPEAKERto just a nice way to spend two hours, you know,

47:10SPEAKERplaying some golf and then we would hit the balls

47:12SPEAKERand we'd talk and shoot the shit.

47:14SPEAKERIt's where I, that's the first place

47:16SPEAKERI spent a lot of time with Tatum, I think, yeah.

47:19SPEAKER- It's been a long road for the Xbox.

47:21SPEAKER- It has been, I can't believe 20 years, man.

47:23SPEAKER- Yeah, it's wild.

47:24SPEAKERI don't know if you've seen kind of a lot

47:26SPEAKERof the celebratory stuff they're doing.

47:27SPEAKERLike, have you been to museum.xbox.com?

47:29SPEAKER- I did, that was cool.

47:30SPEAKER- The thing is like shockingly elaborate and pretty neat.

47:33SPEAKERIf we tell people to all go to their,

47:35SPEAKERlike to jump in our profiles at the same time,

47:37SPEAKERwill we see them pop up?

47:39SPEAKERThose are real people, presumably, right?

47:40SPEAKER- I think so.

47:41SPEAKERIt looks too crowded and chaotic, at least it did,

47:43SPEAKERwhen I got in there to be fake

47:45SPEAKERbecause there were just avatars everywhere

47:47SPEAKERwhen I got in there, like dozens of them.

47:49SPEAKER- It was really cool.

47:50SPEAKERI wish that I was able to like dig into my Halo history

47:52SPEAKER'cause I would have loved to see like

47:54SPEAKERhow many games of Halo 2 I played,

47:55SPEAKERbut it felt like that era was a little thin.

47:58SPEAKER- As awesome as that display is,

48:00SPEAKERif people hadn't seen it, it's like a little 3D,

48:01SPEAKERlike fully navigable, like museum.

48:04SPEAKER- It's like a third person game.

48:05SPEAKER- Yeah, like you run in your browser,

48:07SPEAKERit's like pretty decent 3D graphics.

48:08SPEAKERYou run your little avatar around

48:09SPEAKERand like see these giant Xboxes

48:11SPEAKERwith displays all over the place.

48:12SPEAKERThat's like first time you logged in on an Xbox 360,

48:15SPEAKERfirst achievement you ever earned,

48:17SPEAKERmost played game by year, all this stuff.

48:19SPEAKERLike it's super cool, but you definitely see holes

48:22SPEAKERwhere they weren't tracking enough data.

48:25SPEAKER- Well, they won't make that mistake again.

48:26SPEAKER- I guess not, not that you mentioned it.

48:29SPEAKERBut I do wish there was a little more granularity

48:31SPEAKERin some of that stuff.

48:32SPEAKERI would love to see even more about like,

48:33SPEAKER'cause like the, for example, the most played games

48:36SPEAKERonly goes back to like 2017 or something like that.

48:38SPEAKER- I'd like props to whoever did the curation

48:41SPEAKERand the work on that museum stuff,

48:43SPEAKER'cause like they didn't pull punches.

48:45SPEAKER- Yes. - They definitely,

48:46SPEAKERthey called out, like there was a big section

48:47SPEAKERabout the red ring on the 360.

48:50SPEAKERThey called out the big failures

48:52SPEAKERof their platform over the years.

48:54SPEAKER- The reveal of the Xbox One was very self-critical.

48:57SPEAKER- Yeah. - It flat out said,

48:58SPEAKERlike people, you know, Microsoft hosted an event in Seattle

49:01SPEAKERto unveil the Xbox One,

49:02SPEAKERbut gamers balked at the high price tag

49:04SPEAKERand always online requirements and included Kinect.

49:06SPEAKERAnd it's like, wow, you are not beating around the bush here.

49:09SPEAKERThey had a thing in there about shutting down Mixer.

49:12SPEAKER- Yeah.

49:13SPEAKER- Like it was pretty much all the ups and downs.

49:15SPEAKER- It was unusually, like it was lighter

49:19SPEAKERthan it would be if a journalistic outpost had done that work

49:23SPEAKERbut it was still way heavier than I expected

49:25SPEAKERfor like corporate communication.

49:26SPEAKER- Absolutely. - So props to Microsoft.

49:27SPEAKER- Ever since Phil Spencer came in and implemented Klaasnost,

49:30SPEAKERyou know, they have been much more open.

49:33SPEAKER- I mean, it's so refreshing to see a giant company

49:37SPEAKERlike Microsoft talking about,

49:39SPEAKERlike it makes me feel good to know

49:42SPEAKERthat they're introspective enough to know that like,

49:44SPEAKERhey, this stuff was actually a real problem.

49:47SPEAKERAnd that helps, like it makes me feel better

49:50SPEAKERabout the company, right, about buying their shit.

49:52SPEAKER- Yes.

49:54SPEAKER- Weird thing to say.

49:56SPEAKER- Yeah, I mean, at the same time,

49:57SPEAKERI'm sure they have fully figured out the utility

50:00SPEAKERof being open and positive and honest

50:02SPEAKERwith people at this point, right?

50:03SPEAKERLike the hearts and minds, public relations aspect

50:07SPEAKERof being that way, even though it's the right thing to do,

50:10SPEAKERI'm sure they also, just from a utilitarian standpoint,

50:13SPEAKERrealize that it benefits them heavily as well.

50:15SPEAKER- Yeah, absolutely.

50:16SPEAKERI mean, and look, no corporation does things

50:20SPEAKERout of the goodness of their corporate hearts, right?

50:23SPEAKERBut like it does, yeah, anyway,

50:27SPEAKERit should be celebrated when people are more honest

50:30SPEAKERabout their, companies are more honest about their bullshit.

50:33SPEAKER- For sure.

50:35SPEAKER- Maybe just a little bit though, not too much.

50:36SPEAKER- Yes, yes.

50:39SPEAKERQuestion from Wherebeasty.

50:41SPEAKERWhat'd it take to get you to daily drive Linux

50:43SPEAKERas your desktop OS?

50:44SPEAKER- Oh, I've done that before.

50:45SPEAKER- Assuming you'd still have access to Windows

50:47SPEAKERfor work obligations, what else is stopping you?

50:49SPEAKERI ask because it seems like your interests

50:51SPEAKERand preferences more closely align

50:53SPEAKERwith how things work in the Linux realm

50:55SPEAKERthan to the modern Windows experience.

50:57SPEAKERYou have done that before?

50:58SPEAKER- I did it from like 2004 to 2005.

51:00SPEAKER- Oh jeez, man, that's like the primordial era.

51:03SPEAKER- Yeah, I ran, I don't wanna say I ran Debian,

51:05SPEAKERbut it might've been, it was right around the time

51:07SPEAKERUbuntu was coming up, so I might've switched

51:08SPEAKERto Ubuntu midway through.

51:10SPEAKER- Do you have any idea what the desktop environment was

51:11SPEAKERat the time that you were using?

51:13SPEAKER- I tried both, KDE and--

51:15SPEAKER- And Gnome.

51:16SPEAKER- Gnome.

51:17SPEAKER- Yeah.

51:18SPEAKER- I did not, so at the time I was the,

51:23SPEAKEReither technical editor or executive editor of the magazine,

51:26SPEAKERwhich meant I didn't have to get into InDesign files ever,

51:29SPEAKERso that's why it worked for me.

51:30SPEAKER- I see.

51:32SPEAKER- I used GIMP for photo editing,

51:35SPEAKERfor image editing, which was fine.

51:37SPEAKERI used OpenOffice, I think, for word processing,

51:40SPEAKERwhich worked well, and then around,

51:42SPEAKERI feel like it wasn't too, it was probably just after that

51:45SPEAKERthat we switched over to using Google Docs for that stuff,

51:48SPEAKERbecause it was like, the ability to get into a file

51:52SPEAKERand see what somebody else is typing

51:54SPEAKERis so incredibly powerful when you're working

51:56SPEAKERon a team of writers that it was difficult

51:58SPEAKERto stay on the desktop clients.

52:01SPEAKER- Sure.

52:02SPEAKER- But having done it, I'm good.

52:06SPEAKERI like to play games, like I'm,

52:07SPEAKERwhen I sit down in front of my computer,

52:09SPEAKERI wanna do the thing that I wanna do,

52:10SPEAKERand I don't wanna have to futz with it at all.

52:12SPEAKER- I am generally with you,

52:14SPEAKERbut I will say that you can't just go out there

52:17SPEAKERand say I wanna play games anymore,

52:18SPEAKERbecause there's a whole contingent of Linux gamers

52:20SPEAKERwho will swarm you, like, in the era, go ahead.

52:26SPEAKER- No, I'm just, like, I turn off GeForce Experience

52:29SPEAKERto get the extra 8% performance.

52:31SPEAKER- I'm with you.

52:32SPEAKER- Running Proton is wonderful and great,

52:35SPEAKERbut if I'm playing competitive games, I want the frames.

52:37SPEAKER- Yeah, I'm with you.

52:38SPEAKERI think Proton's awesome, Wine is awesome,

52:40SPEAKERlike, all those stuff.

52:41SPEAKERI mean, for all the problems, like, Electron apps are cool

52:44SPEAKERjust for their cross-platform stuff, you know?

52:48SPEAKER- I guess, yeah.

52:48SPEAKER- I mean, I know they have a lot of drawbacks,

52:51SPEAKERbut, and a lot of, you know, like you said,

52:52SPEAKERall the stuff that's web-based these days,

52:54SPEAKERlike, I imagine using Linux as a workstation

52:57SPEAKERis, like, way more viable than it's ever been.

53:00SPEAKER- I mean, a couple of our devs at Strapout Bay

53:03SPEAKERare Linux desktop people, I believe.

53:05SPEAKER- You know, even a lot of the, you know,

53:07SPEAKERmost of the really big name, open-source productivity things

53:11SPEAKERare, by nature, cross-platform, you know,

53:13SPEAKERBlender, Audacity, you name it, stuff like that.

53:16SPEAKER- I wanna see, so, I do know, like,

53:20SPEAKERI have a bunch of friends who do web print and back,

53:23SPEAKERlike, full-stack web stuff, and most of them work

53:26SPEAKERin a Linux environment that runs in a VM

53:29SPEAKERon their Windows desktop.

53:30SPEAKER- Interesting.

53:31SPEAKER- Or in a hypervisor if they're crazy.

53:33SPEAKER- Or, you know, and in Windows 11

53:34SPEAKERwith the Windows subsystem for Linux 2.

53:38SPEAKER- Yes.

53:39SPEAKER- And the fact that it does GUI, you know,

53:40SPEAKERX11 support now, like, you kinda don't need it.

53:44SPEAKER- Well, but the benefit of doing it in a,

53:45SPEAKERlike, especially for the dev work,

53:47SPEAKERthe benefit of doing it in VMs is that then they can have

53:50SPEAKERa VM for their environment that's their test environment,

53:53SPEAKERlike, the machine that they build off of and test on,

53:56SPEAKERbut then they also don't have to rebuild their environments

53:58SPEAKERall the time, right?

53:59SPEAKERLike, if you get a new laptop and you wanna go switch over

54:02SPEAKERto that new laptop, if you have it in a VM,

54:06SPEAKERthen you don't have to do all the stuff to configure

54:08SPEAKERall your Bash scripts and all the, you know,

54:11SPEAKERit just is all there, which is really,

54:14SPEAKERlike, shockingly beneficial.

54:15SPEAKER- Having it being easily cloneable and transferable,

54:18SPEAKERdefinitely, I can see, is a huge boon, but yeah,

54:21SPEAKERI think the scenario you just described is probably

54:23SPEAKERthe only one where I would actually run Linux full-time

54:26SPEAKERas in some kind of development or dev ops

54:29SPEAKERor some sort of role full-time like that,

54:31SPEAKERbut otherwise, like, Windows is too viable for this stuff

54:34SPEAKERat this point for me to switch, to give up all the benefits

54:37SPEAKERof being in Windows, right?

54:38SPEAKERLike, there are enough hooks into the open source world

54:41SPEAKERfrom Windows at this point that I'd much rather just accept

54:44SPEAKERthose compromises than the different set of compromises

54:46SPEAKERthat running Linux would bring.

54:47SPEAKER- Yeah, the benefit of the default is strong.

54:50SPEAKER- Yeah, which is hard for everyone else.

54:52SPEAKERAlso, like, I'm probably gonna switch to a Linux server

54:56SPEAKERfor the next, like, my next NAS update.

54:59SPEAKER- We should talk about that.

55:01SPEAKER- Yeah, anyway.

55:03SPEAKER- You mentioning the BSD is notoriously power inefficient

55:06SPEAKERmade me think like, hmm, he's been doing some research.

55:08SPEAKER- Yes, well, it's something I've been, like,

55:11SPEAKERI plugged a watt meter into my NAS four years ago

55:14SPEAKERwhen I set this one up, I was like, oh, wow, this is bad.

55:18SPEAKER- I've been thinking about that exact topic

55:19SPEAKERand trying to track that, but, like, figuring out

55:21SPEAKERhow much I actually went onto the FreeBSD Discord

55:25SPEAKERand asked people, like, hey, is there a way

55:26SPEAKERto track actual electricity consumption in the CPU

55:29SPEAKERon this thing, and nobody had an answer.

55:31SPEAKER- The way you do it is you plug a thing in

55:32SPEAKERbetween the wall and the box.

55:34SPEAKER- Yeah, I meant without hardware

55:35SPEAKER'cause I was just too lazy to order something,

55:37SPEAKERbut, like, on Linux or Windows, like, those things

55:39SPEAKERcan be figured out through software.

55:42SPEAKER- Yeah, well, kind of.

55:44SPEAKER- I mean, maybe it's an approximation, actually, but.

55:47SPEAKER- Yeah, 'cause it doesn't count, like, hard drives

55:48SPEAKERand stuff like that.

55:49SPEAKER- Oh, sure, sure.

55:50SPEAKER- It just counts the CPU burn and the GPU burn.

55:52SPEAKER- In my case, I was just looking for CPU

55:54SPEAKER'cause I was wondering if I should try to clock down

55:55SPEAKERor under volt or anything to save some juice, but.

55:58SPEAKER- Well, yeah, the problem with the BSD,

55:59SPEAKERat least the version that's on my NAS box,

56:01SPEAKERis it doesn't step down, like, it doesn't,

56:04SPEAKERI don't even think it does the thing

56:05SPEAKERwhere it turns off areas of the CPU that aren't being used.

56:08SPEAKER- The C states?

56:09SPEAKER- C states.

56:10SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah, all right, one more question.

56:15SPEAKER- Okay, what you got?

56:15SPEAKER- It's a short one, it's from Badfinger.

56:18SPEAKERI have one more too, so I'm gonna pull one from the mail.

56:22SPEAKER- Badfinger, what is the correct

56:24SPEAKERone-syllable shortening of terabyte?

56:27SPEAKERWe have megs and gigs, what's next?

56:30SPEAKER- Man, this has broken my brain, I have no idea.

56:34SPEAKER- Teras? - Tebs?

56:35SPEAKER- Tebs, Tebs, I don't hate it.

56:38SPEAKER- Tares?

56:39SPEAKER- I don't hate Tebs, actually.

56:40SPEAKERI feel like I should, but I don't.

56:42SPEAKER- I don't, I'm not proud of Tebs.

56:44SPEAKER- No.

56:45SPEAKER- I don't have a good feeling about any of this.

56:48SPEAKER- I'm rolling them around in my head right now,

56:49SPEAKERI'm like trying to sound them out.

56:50SPEAKERTares, Tebs, Teras.

56:53SPEAKER- It's all bad.

56:55SPEAKER- None of them are crates, I don't know.

56:57SPEAKERI mean, meg is kinda weird when you think about it, though.

57:00SPEAKER- What about terabyte?

57:02SPEAKER- I mean, that works, that's not one syllable, though.

57:05SPEAKERGotta-- - Terabyte.

57:07SPEAKER- (laughs) I'm sorry, you could say it as fast as you want.

57:09SPEAKERIt will never be one syllable.

57:11SPEAKER- Terabyte. - Nope.

57:12SPEAKER- Terabyte?

57:13SPEAKER- Keep going. - Termite?

57:14SPEAKER- No. - Termite?

57:15SPEAKER- Terbyte. - Terbyte?

57:16SPEAKER- Terbyte. - Terb, terb, terb.

57:18SPEAKER- Terb is good.

57:20SPEAKERWhere do you land on the whole megabytes versus megabytes?

57:24SPEAKER- I try not to think about that stuff at all

57:26SPEAKERif I can help it, 'cause it just makes me upset.

57:29SPEAKER- Where did they end up standardizing?

57:30SPEAKERIs it--

57:32SPEAKER- Maybe bytes is the base eight,

57:35SPEAKERor base two megabytes are the base 10, I believe.

57:39SPEAKERI, look, this is an exhausting question.

57:43SPEAKERI think the argument was that kilo, for example,

57:45SPEAKERis an existing metric-- - Base 10, yeah.

57:48SPEAKER- Prefix that implies a specific measurement, right?

57:50SPEAKERAnd so it should be 1,000 bytes, not 1,024.

57:54SPEAKER- Yeah, that's my--

57:55SPEAKER- I think is how that broke down.

57:57SPEAKER- Always been my understanding, but I don't, I don't--

58:00SPEAKER- Kibs?

58:02SPEAKERMibs, mebs?

58:03SPEAKERNo.

58:04SPEAKER- I mean, look, here-- - Gibby byte.

58:06SPEAKER- Using the base 10 number to make your base eight number,

58:10SPEAKERbase two numbers seem bigger, is a longstanding tradition

58:13SPEAKERin bad PC marketing and bad ISP marketing and all of that.

58:17SPEAKER- Yes.

58:18SPEAKER- I just, just do what the people understand.

58:22SPEAKERTwo megabytes, two megabits, megabytes per second.

58:26SPEAKERLike, don't make it any harder than it needs to be.

58:29SPEAKERIt's already hard enough, dammit.

58:30SPEAKER- Sadly, I think we will have to foresaw an answer

58:32SPEAKERto the actual question here, because we don't have a good--

58:36SPEAKER- I'm gonna go with tebs.

58:37SPEAKER- Tebs, I mean, that's, of the proposals so far,

58:40SPEAKERI would agree with you,

58:42SPEAKERbut I feel like we can do better as a community.

58:44SPEAKER- Yeah, let's hear what the community says.

58:46SPEAKER- As a community, we can do better.

58:48SPEAKERAll right, last question from the actual emails.

58:51SPEAKER- Yes, so the last, we got a letter from a chronobiologist,

58:56SPEAKERwhich is a person who studies the biology of time

58:59SPEAKERand secret rhythms and stuff like that.

59:01SPEAKER- Oh my God, this is what--

59:02SPEAKER- And they asked me not to put their name in,

59:03SPEAKERso I'm not gonna do that.

59:06SPEAKER- It's kind of long.

59:10SPEAKERAs a biologist working in the sleep

59:11SPEAKERand circadian rhythms field, I wanted to commend you

59:13SPEAKERfor not fucking up your Daylight Savings Time episode.

59:16SPEAKER- Thank you.

59:16SPEAKER- Yes, that was a scary one.

59:19SPEAKERToo many people have overlooked the argument

59:21SPEAKERthat Daylight Saving Time should be permanently abolished,

59:24SPEAKEReven though that is by far the consensus position

59:27SPEAKERof chronobiologists.

59:28SPEAKERI'd wager even more than the man-made CO2 consensus

59:32SPEAKERamong climate researchers.

59:34SPEAKERIt looks like that's changing slowly,

59:35SPEAKERbut hasn't yet reached the awareness

59:36SPEAKERof enough legislators in the US or in Canada,

59:40SPEAKERwhere the government is attempting

59:41SPEAKERto move to permanent Daylight Saving,

59:43SPEAKEReven though the effects would be among the worst possible

59:45SPEAKERfor a large city like Vancouver.

59:48SPEAKERThe largest analysis of car accidents

59:50SPEAKERfollowing the spring forward transition

59:52SPEAKERwas published about two years ago.

59:53SPEAKERIt's the one that I referenced.

59:57SPEAKERThere was an acute increase at both the morning

59:58SPEAKERand afternoon driving times,

1:00:00SPEAKERwhich was more pronounced at the western ends of time zones.

1:00:03SPEAKERI'd be remiss if I didn't point out the acute effects of DST

1:00:06SPEAKERare not the only ones to be concerned about.

1:00:08SPEAKERThere's growing evidence of chronic health disturbances

1:00:10SPEAKERfrom having our social clock be mismatched

1:00:12SPEAKERwith the solar time throughout the year.

1:00:15SPEAKERFor example, this large-scale epidemiological study

1:00:17SPEAKERfound that living on the western end of a time zone

1:00:19SPEAKERincreases risk for at least a dozen types of cancer

1:00:22SPEAKERby anywhere from five to 10%.

1:00:23SPEAKER- Jeez.

1:00:24SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:00:26SPEAKEROne last thing, the best argument against permanent DST

1:00:28SPEAKERmay be that Russia moved to permanent DST in 2012,

1:00:31SPEAKERand everyone hated it so much

1:00:32SPEAKERthey moved back after two years.

1:00:35SPEAKERIf I was a gambling man, I'd say that's likely

1:00:37SPEAKERhow many of your northern states would react,

1:00:38SPEAKERespecially the ones on the western side of time zones,

1:00:40SPEAKERit seems like.

1:00:42SPEAKERAnd then I asked a follow-up question,

1:00:43SPEAKER'cause I was like, this is fascinating,

1:00:44SPEAKERhow are we gonna talk to somebody with this skillset?

1:00:46SPEAKER- Seriously.

1:00:47SPEAKER- And I wanted to know,

1:00:50SPEAKERdoes this mean we need more time,

1:00:52SPEAKERdoes the western edge of the time zone thing

1:00:54SPEAKERbeing out of sync with the sun

1:00:56SPEAKERmean that we need to shrink and have more time zones

1:01:00SPEAKERto shrink the overall width,

1:01:01SPEAKERand ease the pain for the folks

1:01:02SPEAKERon the western edge of existing time zones?

1:01:04SPEAKER- I love it.

1:01:06SPEAKER- And they said,

1:01:07SPEAKER"Smaller time zones would be one solution.

1:01:09SPEAKER"We even have a time zone in Canada

1:01:10SPEAKER"that's offset by 30 minutes in Newfoundland.

1:01:13SPEAKER"There's also a related issue

1:01:14SPEAKER"that the location of some time zones

1:01:15SPEAKER"is just stupid relative to the solar day.

1:01:18SPEAKER"For example, the western edge of Spain

1:01:19SPEAKER"is on the same time as the eastern edge of Poland,

1:01:22SPEAKER"even though the difference in sunrise in December

1:01:23SPEAKER"is almost two hours."

1:01:25SPEAKERSo going to work in Spain at 8 a.m.

1:01:27SPEAKERfeels like going to work at 6 a.m. in Poland,

1:01:29SPEAKERall other things being equal,

1:01:31SPEAKERwhich they aren't exactly,

1:01:32SPEAKERbut the effect is substantial.

1:01:33SPEAKERI think a more effective general solution

1:01:35SPEAKERwould be the thing that you mentioned

1:01:37SPEAKERin the podcast for school kids,

1:01:39SPEAKERwhich is where you move work obligations

1:01:40SPEAKERto start later in the day and make them more flexible.

1:01:44SPEAKERMoving every nine to five job to a 10 to six

1:01:46SPEAKERwould also be equivalent to moving the clocks one hour

1:01:47SPEAKERin the opposite direction of daylight savings time,

1:01:49SPEAKERbut I think it might be harder to sell to frame it that way.

1:01:53SPEAKERIt's likely low-grade chronic sleep disruption

1:01:55SPEAKERthat's causing the deleterious long-term health effects

1:01:58SPEAKERat the western edge of time zones,

1:01:59SPEAKERbecause people with circadian rhythms

1:02:01SPEAKERthat are physiologically predisposed

1:02:03SPEAKERto waking up later in the solar day

1:02:05SPEAKERare being forced to wake up too early to go to work.

1:02:08SPEAKERI'll be interested to see future data

1:02:09SPEAKERabout people who have switched to working from home

1:02:11SPEAKERand cut their commute times out of their morning routine

1:02:13SPEAKERand hopefully replace them with better and more sleep.

1:02:17SPEAKERSo that's fascinating.

1:02:17SPEAKER- Wow, man. - I thought.

1:02:18SPEAKER- Those cancer stats are eye-opening, that's...

1:02:21SPEAKER- The western side of the time zone,

1:02:22SPEAKERit's like we're in the middle of our time zone,

1:02:24SPEAKERso we're in a good spot here, right?

1:02:25SPEAKER- Sure.

1:02:27SPEAKERBut yeah, there was a graph of the map of the data,

1:02:33SPEAKERand it's like the northwest corner of time zones

1:02:36SPEAKERwas real bad, like upper Montana, mountain time,

1:02:40SPEAKERmaybe don't live in northwestern Montana.

1:02:43SPEAKER- Huh.

1:02:44SPEAKER- Anyway.

1:02:45SPEAKER- That stuff's wild.

1:02:46SPEAKER- This is a weird, it's a weird one.

1:02:48SPEAKER- Like having just, having heard that email

1:02:50SPEAKERmay have like a non-zero effect on any moving plans

1:02:54SPEAKERI may have in the future.

1:02:55SPEAKER- Well, so the other thing is the further south you are,

1:02:57SPEAKERthe less it matters, right?

1:02:58SPEAKER- Sure.

1:02:59SPEAKER- 'Cause the differences in the day are less pronounced.

1:03:01SPEAKERAnd also you work at a different,

1:03:04SPEAKERlike you and I are pretty insulated from this

1:03:06SPEAKER'cause we both work from home and we work,

1:03:09SPEAKERlike my office hours are like 10 to four,

1:03:12SPEAKERthen I usually work a few more hours after that

1:03:14SPEAKERat the end of the day.

1:03:15SPEAKERSo like I get up and help my daughter get to school,

1:03:17SPEAKERbut then I can go take a nap if I need to and whatever.

1:03:20SPEAKER- Sure.

1:03:23SPEAKER- I thought it was interesting though.

1:03:24SPEAKER- That is fascinating.

1:03:25SPEAKER- It was a profession until this email came in.

1:03:28SPEAKER- It's like, that's one of those that you feel flattered

1:03:30SPEAKERjust to have received.

1:03:31SPEAKER- Yeah, we get, it's always nice when we get those.

1:03:34SPEAKERSo that's it for this episode, I guess.

1:03:36SPEAKERWe've turned the cues and days, Brad, congratulations.

1:03:39SPEAKERDo we have more?

1:03:40SPEAKER- We might.

1:03:41SPEAKER- If we were doing a patron episode in a day or two?

1:03:44SPEAKER- Maybe.

1:03:45SPEAKER- Would we perhaps have some more cues to turn days,

1:03:47SPEAKERmaybe more of the whimsical ones?

1:03:49SPEAKER- We have actually an embarrassment of riches

1:03:51SPEAKERgoing back months of questions that we have not

1:03:55SPEAKERmanaged to answer yet.

1:03:56SPEAKERI'm sitting here looking at the 34 pages of questions

1:03:59SPEAKERfrom October.

1:04:00SPEAKER- Wow, that was a lot of questions.

1:04:02SPEAKER- Granted, I pasted them straight out of Discord

1:04:04SPEAKERand there's a lot of formatting garbage in here

1:04:07SPEAKERthat's padding that number out a bit,

1:04:09SPEAKERbut it's a lot of questions.

1:04:10SPEAKER- Straight out of Discord is my favorite Ice Cube album.

1:04:12SPEAKER- That's right.

1:04:13SPEAKER- Let's do the thing that we do

1:04:15SPEAKERat the end of the episode every week.

1:04:17SPEAKERWell, first off, we should tell people how to submit cues.

1:04:19SPEAKERIf they enjoyed this, they want to submit their own cues.

1:04:21SPEAKERtechpod@content.town is the email address,

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1:04:35SPEAKERand post your own questions and we will see them

1:04:37SPEAKERand we will read them

1:04:37SPEAKERand we may or may not answer them next month.

1:04:40SPEAKER- We'll do our best.

1:04:41SPEAKER- Yeah, we try.

1:04:42SPEAKERAnd also, I hate to say this, this comes up a lot,

1:04:46SPEAKERWarbird asks Lane Kiffin questions

1:04:48SPEAKER'cause I don't know why I'm not,

1:04:50SPEAKERI can't believe I'm encouraging this.

1:04:51SPEAKERI think Lane Kiffin is maybe right to never punt.

1:04:55SPEAKERI think not punting in college football

1:04:58SPEAKERis often the right choice.

1:04:59SPEAKER- Wait, hang on, do you have actual opinions

1:05:00SPEAKERabout all the inane college football questions?

1:05:03SPEAKERI didn't realize-- - There was a period of time

1:05:04SPEAKERin my life when I was actively engaged with this.

1:05:06SPEAKER- Okay, okay, I see. - I've been a Tennessee fan

1:05:08SPEAKERfor long enough that it's broken my will

1:05:11SPEAKERto engage with football at all.

1:05:13SPEAKER- I see, okay, so that provides a little bit of context

1:05:16SPEAKERto the fact that these questions don't stop coming.

1:05:18SPEAKER- It's just constant dragging.

1:05:20SPEAKERAll it does is make me sad every time I see one.

1:05:22SPEAKER- I just, I didn't realize you had any positions

1:05:24SPEAKERon the matter, that's good to know.

1:05:25SPEAKER- I always have positions.

1:05:27SPEAKER- Do you have a list of patrons to thank?

1:05:30SPEAKER- Oh, should we, well, it's the end of the month,

1:05:32SPEAKERso we thank both our executive tier

1:05:34SPEAKERand our associate producer tier patrons.

1:05:37SPEAKERSo on the executive producer tier,

1:05:40SPEAKERthank you to #bunnycrimes, Andrew Slosky,

1:05:44SPEAKERPaddle Games Makers of a Fractured Veil,

1:05:47SPEAKERDavid Allen, Jacob Chappell, James Cammack, Joel Krauska,

1:05:51SPEAKERTwinkle Twinkie, and Twinkle Twinkie, that's the,

1:05:54SPEAKERand now also thank you to our associate producer

1:05:57SPEAKERtier patrons, Andre Burke, Arthur Gies, Dan Brockman,

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