102: My Little iPad Pillow

00:00SPEAKER- Okay, there are two things in my mind

00:02SPEAKERthat we have to keep in mind

00:03SPEAKERif we're gonna do this this way.

00:04SPEAKER- Yeah.

00:05SPEAKER- Less so for you,

00:06SPEAKER'cause you kind of talk the same all the time,

00:07SPEAKERbut I've got, I've--

00:08SPEAKER- Wait, really?

00:09SPEAKER- I mean, you've got a little bit of a podcast voice,

00:10SPEAKERI guess.

00:11SPEAKER- Welcome.

00:13SPEAKER- Now I feel very paranoid

00:14SPEAKERbecause anything could be a cold open.

00:16SPEAKER- I know.

00:17SPEAKER- I could say something intending for no one to hear it,

00:19SPEAKERbut you, and then it might actually go out to the world.

00:21SPEAKER- This could be the, well, I mean,

00:22SPEAKERwe both edit the podcast before it goes out.

00:24SPEAKERSo technically, like if I talk,

00:25SPEAKERstart talking about my butt or something,

00:27SPEAKERone of us will have an opportunity to remove that

00:28SPEAKERat some point along the way.

00:29SPEAKER- We could be doing the cold open right now.

00:32SPEAKER- Look, the lesson of the 21st century, man,

00:34SPEAKERis that everything is always content all the time, 24/7.

00:38SPEAKERWe're just generating content every minute of every day.

00:41SPEAKER- I know, and it's fucking exhausting.

00:43SPEAKER(laughing)

00:44SPEAKER- Remember when you got Twitter and you were like,

00:46SPEAKERman, I just let like 300 people know that I bought pants.

00:50SPEAKERThat's fucking awesome.

00:52SPEAKER- And here we are.

00:53SPEAKERRemember when a typical tweet was going onto Twitter

00:55SPEAKERand typing into the post form

00:56SPEAKERan all lower case with no punctuation, ate a sandwich post?

01:00SPEAKER- Yep, like that was Twitter.

01:01SPEAKERI guarantee you that somewhere in like February of 2007,

01:05SPEAKERwhen I had 18 followers

01:07SPEAKERand most of them were people I worked with,

01:09SPEAKERI guarantee you, I sat down on my phone at my desk,

01:12SPEAKERI typed poopin' with an apostrophe

01:16SPEAKERand then just walked off to the bathroom.

01:20SPEAKER- Simpler, more innocent times.

01:22SPEAKER- I remember when, did you ever do this?

01:24SPEAKERI don't remember if I ever did this,

01:25SPEAKERbut I knew people who would treat the Twitter post form

01:28SPEAKERas if it was their Facebook status.

01:29SPEAKER- Oh yeah.

01:30SPEAKER- They would tweet as if their name

01:31SPEAKERwas invisibly being inserted into the front of the tweet.

01:34SPEAKER- That was just the, that was a vibe for a while.

01:37SPEAKERThat was like a whole thing, people did that.

01:39SPEAKER- People would go on there and a tweet would be like,

01:41SPEAKERis going to the store because they expected it to say,

01:43SPEAKERmy name is, you know.

01:44SPEAKER- Well, it used to be, it used to be less about like,

01:47SPEAKERokay, so for a long time, there was a period of time,

01:49SPEAKERI think before the woman made the racist thing joke

01:53SPEAKERon the way to South Africa,

01:56SPEAKERthat.

01:57SPEAKER- Justine, don't tell me.

01:58SPEAKER- Does, Lescarbo?

02:00SPEAKER- Ride myself on.

02:01SPEAKER- Oh no, that's a friend.

02:02SPEAKER- City useless facts, Justine.

02:05SPEAKEROh no, I should know this.

02:08SPEAKERI keep, you shouldn't.

02:08SPEAKER- This is absolutely something you shouldn't know.

02:10SPEAKER- I keep wanting to just say Justine Bateman,

02:12SPEAKERwhich is definitely not it.

02:13SPEAKER- No, that is not it.

02:15SPEAKER- Justine Sacco.

02:16SPEAKER- That sounds right.

02:17SPEAKERSo before she made her mistake,

02:21SPEAKERI feel like a lot of people treated Twitter

02:23SPEAKERlike an internal monologue that you could just put out there

02:25SPEAKERand share with the world.

02:26SPEAKER- I mean, to be fair, a lot of people still do that, but.

02:28SPEAKER- I mean, okay, that is a fair point.

02:31SPEAKERBut I feel like after that, people were like,

02:33SPEAKERoh, right, I should be careful what I say,

02:36SPEAKER'cause I can, people can share this.

02:38SPEAKERLike before people invented the retweet,

02:40SPEAKERI feel like there was a, there was a,

02:44SPEAKERlike a kind of like, it was like a safe zone.

02:47SPEAKER- Dude, Twitter is way too old.

02:49SPEAKER- Twitter is 14 years old, 15 years old.

02:52SPEAKER- It is fucked up that I am forgetting aspects of,

02:56SPEAKERlike Twitter's old enough that I'm forgetting aspects of it,

02:58SPEAKERlike original aspects of Twitter.

03:00SPEAKER- Yeah.

03:01SPEAKER- Like you just reminded me that retweeting

03:02SPEAKERwas not a built-in feature of the service at one time.

03:05SPEAKERIt was something people just did by typing RT

03:07SPEAKERin front of a tweet.

03:09SPEAKER- Hold on, take it a step back further.

03:10SPEAKERDo you remember that Twitter used to be a thing

03:12SPEAKERthat you did by messaging 40404 from your phone?

03:16SPEAKER- So I never, I never got in that early, thank God.

03:18SPEAKER- Oh, wow.

03:19SPEAKER- I didn't get in early enough to do the SMS Twitter.

03:20SPEAKERI was like 09, I think is when I signed up.

03:23SPEAKER- Oh, I signed up for unlimited texting in January of 2009,

03:26SPEAKERor 2007 to get, to get the TWTR.

03:30SPEAKER- That's messed up.

03:31SPEAKER- It was a weird time.

03:32SPEAKER- Was Justin Sacco the first main character of Twitter?

03:38SPEAKER- Oh, wow.

03:39SPEAKER- Probably.

03:40SPEAKER- Was she before or after the llama?

03:41SPEAKERShe was way before the llama, right?

03:43SPEAKER- I don't know what the llama is.

03:44SPEAKER- Yeah, the llama in the dress,

03:46SPEAKERthe best day in Twitter history.

03:47SPEAKERThe only good day, the only positive star of Twitter

03:50SPEAKERwas that fucking llama in, where was it?

03:57SPEAKERWas it in LA, someplace like Santa Monica or something?

04:00SPEAKERYeah, a couple of llamas that got loose

04:01SPEAKERin like a suburban area, and it was the same day

04:04SPEAKERas the blue and white or gold and tan dress

04:07SPEAKERor whatever that day was.

04:08SPEAKER- Oh, I don't know.

04:10SPEAKER- I think, I wanna say that something else big

04:12SPEAKERhappened that day, that might've been the day,

04:15SPEAKERlike I think that was the day that Gary and Norm and I

04:17SPEAKERwere back in the whiskey basement signing posters all day,

04:20SPEAKERand also Steve Jobs died.

04:22SPEAKER- Oh God, just all of history happened on a single day.

04:26SPEAKER- So it was like a really good day for Twitter,

04:27SPEAKERa kind of bad day, I mean, it was nice to sign the posters

04:29SPEAKERfor people, but like kind of a rough day

04:32SPEAKERfor the rest of the, well, parts of the rest of the world.

04:34SPEAKER- Oh, hey, now every day on Twitter is a bad day,

04:36SPEAKERso at least it's consistent.

04:38SPEAKER(upbeat music)

04:47SPEAKER(upbeat music continues)

05:07SPEAKER- Welcome to Brad and Will Made at TechPod, I'm Will.

05:10SPEAKER- I'm Brad, I'm still a little shaky on that cold open,

05:13SPEAKERI'm not sure, I mean, we're talking to you from the past

05:15SPEAKERbefore we edited it, I hope it turned out okay.

05:18SPEAKER- We could do another one if you want.

05:19SPEAKER- Right now?

05:20SPEAKER- What's the deal with asparagus?

05:22SPEAKER- It's good with hollandaise sauce on it.

05:25SPEAKER- I do like a good hollandaise, hold on,

05:27SPEAKERdo you do a classic old school hollandaise

05:29SPEAKERwhere you do the yolks and the butter in the pan,

05:31SPEAKERyou swirl it all up, or do you do like the immersion blender?

05:34SPEAKER- I'm not like you, I can't conjure elaborate food

05:37SPEAKERconcoctions from the ether,

05:38SPEAKERI don't know how to make hollandaise sauce,

05:40SPEAKERI guess I could buy some.

05:41SPEAKER- Okay, I'm gonna tell you how to make hollandaise sauce,

05:43SPEAKERit's real easy, this is a serious eats jam.

05:46SPEAKERYou get, do you have a stick blender?

05:49SPEAKER- Let's say for the sake of argument, yes.

05:51SPEAKER- Okay, okay, phase one, buy a stick blender,

05:53SPEAKERthey're awesome, they're like 20 bucks,

05:54SPEAKERit's incredibly useful for making fancy shit

05:56SPEAKERlike hollandaise sauce.

05:58SPEAKERTwo, you put the stick blender with some egg yolks

06:01SPEAKERin a very narrow cup, like a beer mug is perfect.

06:08SPEAKER- Pine glass, okay.

06:09SPEAKER- Pine glass is perfect.

06:09SPEAKERThen you take some clarified butter, melted, hot,

06:13SPEAKERpour that in there while the blender's going

06:15SPEAKERwith the egg yolks, and you're done, two minutes.

06:19SPEAKER- What?

06:20SPEAKER- That's all it takes.

06:21SPEAKER- That cannot be it.

06:22SPEAKER- It is the easiest thing in the world.

06:23SPEAKER- Wow, damn.

06:24SPEAKER- Oh, you have to do a little bit of lemon juice too.

06:26SPEAKER- Okay, dude, wait, you're saying I could be eating

06:29SPEAKERmy own eggs benny all the time?

06:31SPEAKERAll these years I have wasted?

06:33SPEAKER- Look, I'm gonna tell you this,

06:35SPEAKERthis is a great power, great responsibility situation

06:37SPEAKER'cause like, just to be clear, hollandaise sauce

06:40SPEAKERis egg yolks, butter, and then a tiny little bit of lemon

06:43SPEAKERjuice, so it is not, this is a dangerous power to have.

06:48SPEAKER- Okay.

06:49SPEAKER- Also, because it is profoundly unhealthy,

06:51SPEAKERbut yes, you can have eggs benny anytime you have

06:53SPEAKERCanadian bacon, an egg, and some butter, basically.

06:56SPEAKER- And English muffin.

06:58SPEAKER- Also, I just want to say that I've never before,

07:00SPEAKER30 seconds ago, used the phrase eggs benny in my life,

07:02SPEAKERand I never will again.

07:04SPEAKER- I have a friend whose wow character is named eggs benny.

07:09SPEAKER- That's acceptable.

07:10SPEAKER- Yeah.

07:11SPEAKER- Stupid wild names, anything goes, I think.

07:13SPEAKER- Exactly.

07:13SPEAKER- Not anything, you know, within the terms of service.

07:15SPEAKERWhat's the--

07:16SPEAKER- You know what today is?

07:17SPEAKERIt's the best day of the month.

07:18SPEAKER- Oh, I just wanted to keep talking about eggs blank.

07:20SPEAKER- Oh, we can talk about eggs, I love eggs.

07:22SPEAKER- Have you ever been to a place that has like,

07:23SPEAKERother non-benedicts?

07:26SPEAKER- Yeah.

07:27SPEAKER- I'm trying to think, like I've had--

07:28SPEAKER- There's that Zazie place over in Coal Valley

07:29SPEAKERwe used to go in the early 2000s that had like,

07:32SPEAKEReggs Florentine, Spanish mushrooms.

07:35SPEAKER- I was trying to think of some of the other names.

07:37SPEAKERThere was an eggs Mexico, which was,

07:40SPEAKERI think it had some chorizo on there, I can't remember.

07:43SPEAKER- Does Florentine have salsa?

07:44SPEAKERFlorentine, the one with the tomato?

07:46SPEAKER- Florentine, I think has tomato.

07:48SPEAKERThere's one that's like spinach and mushrooms,

07:50SPEAKERit's really good.

07:51SPEAKER- Oh, you know what?

07:51SPEAKERI'm sorry, I shouldn't, we're recording this

07:53SPEAKERright through dinner time, let's just move on.

07:58SPEAKERWhat are we doing today?

07:58SPEAKER- It's my favorite day of the month, Brad.

08:00SPEAKER- Oh?

08:01SPEAKER- We're here to do something, we're here to do the most,

08:04SPEAKERit's the most somber and most important of podcast duties.

08:07SPEAKERWe're gonna turn Q's into A's.

08:10SPEAKER- Our sacred duty, we're gonna apply our patented formula.

08:14SPEAKER- Yes.

08:15SPEAKER- Turn the question crank.

08:17SPEAKER- We're gonna flatten those questions out until they're A's.

08:19SPEAKER- Grind out some succulents, marbled answers.

08:24SPEAKER- Right, tender and juicy.

08:25SPEAKER- Yes.

08:27SPEAKER- If people wanted to submit Q's to us,

08:30SPEAKERfor potential A turning into, how would they go about that?

08:33SPEAKER- Well, they could email techpod@content.town.

08:37SPEAKER- You mean techpod@content.town?

08:39SPEAKER- I do mean techpod@content.town,

08:41SPEAKERwhich almost no one is doing anymore.

08:43SPEAKER- No, it turns out we have a better,

08:45SPEAKERmore streamlined solution for turning Q's into A's.

08:48SPEAKER- You know, I hope you're right, I hope that's why.

08:51SPEAKERYou've posited this before, as the emails started drying up,

08:55SPEAKERmuch like the water supply in the Colorado River.

08:57SPEAKER- Look, I'm gonna suggest that nobody in the world,

09:01SPEAKEReven Mr. Email himself, who invented the first email,

09:04SPEAKERlikes emails anymore.

09:05SPEAKER- Okay, then maybe that's right, yes.

09:07SPEAKERYou've posited that the emails have been drying up

09:09SPEAKERin our inbox because everybody's just using

09:10SPEAKERthe Discord Q&A channel now.

09:12SPEAKER- Yeah, and look, it's the 21st century, man.

09:15SPEAKERGen Z, our hot, youthful, incredibly succulent audience,

09:21SPEAKERripe for advertising, they don't like email.

09:24SPEAKERGen Z hates email.

09:25SPEAKER- You know, I understand.

09:26SPEAKER- Whatever the gen is after Gen Z,

09:28SPEAKERthey hate email even more than they hate

09:30SPEAKERthe Gen Z people hate email.

09:32SPEAKER- But the ones after them are gonna be way into it.

09:34SPEAKER- They're gonna get email, they're gonna get some,

09:37SPEAKERthey're gonna go get my old Lotus Note Domino file

09:40SPEAKERand check out what email was like in the '90s

09:41SPEAKERand be like, man, email used to be so sick.

09:43SPEAKER- Wait, do you have a Lotus Domino archive?

09:46SPEAKER- I do have a Lotus Domino archive.

09:47SPEAKERI have no idea how to access it at this point.

09:49SPEAKER- I guarantee you somewhere on my NAS

09:51SPEAKERare my old Eudora files.

09:53SPEAKER- Oh boy, I never used Eudora.

09:55SPEAKERI think it was okay, I think.

09:57SPEAKERDoes it still exist?

09:59SPEAKER- No, it's who knows?

10:01SPEAKERToday.

10:02SPEAKER- I'm sorry, I'm sorry, we should really start the episode.

10:04SPEAKERWikipedia says is rather than was,

10:06SPEAKERso I have to assume that means it is extant to this day.

10:10SPEAKER- No popular software ever dies,

10:12SPEAKERexcept for Google Reader when it's in the cloud.

10:15SPEAKER- On the other hand, under website in the sidebar,

10:17SPEAKERit links to computerhistory.org.

10:19SPEAKER- Oh, well, okay, maybe not then.

10:23SPEAKER- Open up for Eudora.

10:24SPEAKER- They put out the source code.

10:25SPEAKEROkay, let's move on.

10:27SPEAKER- Yeah, so, okay, we're turning cues into A's.

10:29SPEAKERYou can send them to techpod@content.town.

10:31SPEAKERYou can post them in the questions seeking answers channel

10:34SPEAKERin the Discord if you are a fabulous tech pod patron,

10:37SPEAKERwhich we will tell you more about later.

10:38SPEAKERYou can go to patreon.com/techpod to find out more.

10:41SPEAKER- Yeah, the Discord's a great place.

10:43SPEAKERThe question asking is not a patron only benefit,

10:46SPEAKERbut apparently mostly patrons are doing it these days.

10:48SPEAKERSo, you know, it's the hottest question asking craze

10:51SPEAKERthat's sweeping the nation.

10:53SPEAKER- What's our first question, Brad?

10:55SPEAKER- It is this from Paradox.

10:59SPEAKERDo you think the crypto ecosystem will ever become efficient

11:01SPEAKERand robust enough to decentralize a platform like OnlyFans?

11:06SPEAKERI'm listening to the latter half of last week's podcast

11:08SPEAKERand all I can think of is Ethereum being used

11:11SPEAKERto decentralize the payment and distribution

11:14SPEAKERof the OnlyFans style content,

11:16SPEAKERbut I don't know enough to know if that's even feasible.

11:19SPEAKER- It's funny they bring this up

11:21SPEAKER'cause this is exactly the type of use case

11:24SPEAKERthat crypto currency aficionados talk about.

11:27SPEAKERLike, hey man, it's a business that's totally legal,

11:30SPEAKERbut just like the banks and the central repository,

11:33SPEAKERnobody wants to touch it, man.

11:35SPEAKERIt's like legal weed in California.

11:36SPEAKERThey have to handle cash only, bro.

11:38SPEAKER- What are these people's feelings on fiat currency?

11:40SPEAKER- They think fiat currency, I think they think it's bullshit,

11:44SPEAKERbut I don't remember.

11:44SPEAKER- That was my expectation.

11:46SPEAKERAre they talking about gold fringe

11:48SPEAKERon the American flag by any chance?

11:50SPEAKER- I don't know what you're talking about there.

11:53SPEAKER- 19th century naval law.

11:55SPEAKER- I feel like they talk about the gold standard

11:57SPEAKERa fair amount.

11:58SPEAKER- Or the corporation of the United States.

11:59SPEAKERThere's a lot of overlap here.

12:00SPEAKERWe should definitely move on.

12:02SPEAKER- Look, all I know, man, is if you go

12:04SPEAKERand look at the back of the Declaration of Independence,

12:06SPEAKERthere's some heavy stuff on it, man.

12:08SPEAKER- Yes, okay, that's all sovereign citizenship,

12:10SPEAKERjust to be clear.

12:12SPEAKER- Okay, so here's the deal.

12:14SPEAKERThe point of the blockchain-based currencies is that,

12:18SPEAKERyes, you should be able to establish value

12:20SPEAKERand transfer it to and from one another

12:23SPEAKERin a situation like this where Visa or MasterCard

12:26SPEAKERhave decided that they don't want to take money

12:28SPEAKERfrom people anymore because of outside pressure.

12:30SPEAKER- Such as OnlyFans, or at least that's what they are claiming.

12:33SPEAKER- Well, actually, the OnlyFans thing, quick sidebar,

12:37SPEAKERthey've said, "Hey, we're backing off of this

12:39SPEAKER"'cause it's been a disastrous business decision for us.

12:41SPEAKER"We're gonna figure out how to make it work."

12:43SPEAKER- Oh, they listen to the podcast.

12:43SPEAKER- So everything's cool again.

12:44SPEAKER- They listen to our podcast.

12:45SPEAKERThey heard us talk about Tumblr, and they're like,

12:47SPEAKER"Oh, man, we should hire those guys

12:48SPEAKER"as fabulously paid consultants

12:50SPEAKER"'cause, boy, they nailed that one."

12:53SPEAKER- Interesting you say that.

12:54SPEAKERAnyway, okay, so the problem with blockchain right now

12:59SPEAKERas it is is that the number of transactions per hour

13:03SPEAKERthat the blockchain technologies can actually process

13:06SPEAKERis, I don't wanna say hilariously low

13:09SPEAKER'cause that seems diminutive

13:10SPEAKERin a way that is intended but unkind,

13:13SPEAKERbut it's really, really low.

13:15SPEAKER- Really?

13:16SPEAKER- So you can transact billions of transactions a day,

13:19SPEAKERand blockchain can do a few hundred thousand,

13:21SPEAKERfew million, depending on the blockchain

13:22SPEAKERyou're talking about.

13:24SPEAKERNow, the way you can get around this problem

13:26SPEAKERis you can pay a thing that Norm and I discovered

13:28SPEAKERwhen we did our Bitcoin video six years ago

13:31SPEAKERabout miners fees, which is you can pay the people

13:34SPEAKERwho basically control the transactions on the chain,

13:40SPEAKERand you can give 'em a little bit of juice

13:41SPEAKERto get them to bump you to the top of the queue,

13:44SPEAKERand that's fine when it's like a fraction of a fraction

13:46SPEAKERof a fraction of a buck, right?

13:48SPEAKERLike when Norm and I did our Bitcoin thing in 2015,

13:51SPEAKERBitcoin cost $400, and the gas, the miners fee

13:55SPEAKERto do the transaction was like three cents, right?

13:57SPEAKERWe didn't pay 'cause we didn't know what it was,

13:59SPEAKERand then as a result, Norm's transaction was in limbo

14:02SPEAKERfor ages until it was finally rejected, like days.

14:06SPEAKERNow, right now on the Ethereum chain,

14:11SPEAKERbecause there's such high demand

14:12SPEAKERbecause of all the stuff that's happening

14:14SPEAKERwith the programs that run on Ethereum,

14:17SPEAKERthe contracts that run on Ethereum,

14:19SPEAKERthe mining fees are really high

14:20SPEAKERat high traffic times of day.

14:22SPEAKERSo like daytime in the US, daytime in Europe,

14:27SPEAKERdaytime in Southeast Asia,

14:30SPEAKEREthereum transaction fees can be like five or $10,

14:32SPEAKERsometimes 50 or $100 even for every transaction

14:36SPEAKERthat happens on the chain in order to get them done

14:38SPEAKERin anything approaching a reasonable period of time.

14:41SPEAKERSo yes, in theory, a robust decentralized crypto ecosystem

14:48SPEAKERcould solve the OnlyFans Visa payment processing problem.

14:52SPEAKERIn reality, I don't think there's anything that's there yet

14:56SPEAKERthat has enough value in the chain to be worth using.

14:59SPEAKERAnd that scaling problem has to be solved

15:01SPEAKERbefore any of that stuff can happen.

15:02SPEAKER- I mean, considering what you hear about the energy usage

15:06SPEAKERof the blockchain already, and you're saying that,

15:09SPEAKERor is that not a proportional problem?

15:13SPEAKERI mean, if the capacity scales up

15:15SPEAKERwould the energy usage also not scale up?

15:18SPEAKER- So there's two different things.

15:21SPEAKERThe energy usage is just for generating the currency.

15:24SPEAKER- Oh, not for computing the transactions?

15:26SPEAKER- The transactions have very low computational cost.

15:28SPEAKER- I see, okay.

15:29SPEAKER- So like once you have your Ethereum mined,

15:31SPEAKERthat cost is done and paid.

15:34SPEAKERBut if you have to pay a miner to send your money

15:37SPEAKERto somebody else to buy something,

15:39SPEAKERthen that money has to, that Ethereum has to come

15:41SPEAKERfrom someplace and that has a environmental cost as well.

15:43SPEAKER- Sure, sure, okay.

15:44SPEAKER- Like, yeah.

15:45SPEAKER- That's not as bad though.

15:46SPEAKERI assume some cryptography had to take place

15:49SPEAKERevery time anybody did anything on there.

15:51SPEAKER- It does, but that's easy math.

15:53SPEAKERThat's like normal cryptography math,

15:55SPEAKERnot, hey, we're solving primes math.

15:58SPEAKER- I see, I see.

15:59SPEAKERAnd then, so, I mean,

16:00SPEAKERthat covers the payment transaction stuff,

16:02SPEAKERbut he is proposing distribution of content on there.

16:05SPEAKERDo you have any idea how that would work?

16:08SPEAKER- Well, so, I mean, essentially all blockchains are

16:10SPEAKERis distributed databases that share,

16:14SPEAKERlike it's a shared hallucination of a database, basically,

16:17SPEAKERamongst all of the computers that are using the thing.

16:20SPEAKERAnd the downside of it is that

16:21SPEAKERthe transactions are really slow.

16:23SPEAKERSo realistically, you might share access and use,

16:27SPEAKERlike one of the neat things about Ethereum

16:29SPEAKERis that you can actually buy a thing

16:31SPEAKERthat acts as a password for other things.

16:33SPEAKERSo like, if you buy an NFT, a friend of mine

16:38SPEAKERis doing an NFT project right now,

16:39SPEAKERand if I buy one of his NFTs,

16:41SPEAKERit gives me access to a special area on his Discord,

16:43SPEAKERand also presumably other stuff in the future

16:46SPEAKERif he decides to continue doing that.

16:49SPEAKERTom Sacks is another artist,

16:51SPEAKERdid an NFT project a few months ago,

16:53SPEAKERwhere he was basically,

16:56SPEAKERlike the images that you bought were of rockets,

16:59SPEAKERand when you collected a certain number of them,

17:00SPEAKERyou could combine them, destroy those cryptographically,

17:04SPEAKERagain, a low math transaction,

17:06SPEAKERand get a different one that is a combination of those three

17:10SPEAKERas a result of that,

17:11SPEAKERwhich he would then make and shoot off,

17:14SPEAKERlike with the SDs model rocket engines,

17:16SPEAKERfind and send to you in a box

17:18SPEAKERso that you have a piece of art in your house.

17:20SPEAKERLike, there's a bunch of weird shit going on in this space.

17:24SPEAKERTheoretically, what this person is suggesting is possible.

17:27SPEAKERNone of the platforms that are,

17:29SPEAKERnone of the chains that are out there right now

17:31SPEAKERthat I'm aware of and that have,

17:32SPEAKERthat are like mainstream and broad appeal

17:34SPEAKERhave the right stuff to make this happen.

17:37SPEAKER- Sounds like a massive R&D investment.

17:40SPEAKER- I mean, if somebody figures out how to do it in a way,

17:45SPEAKERlike the other thing that's happening is everybody,

17:46SPEAKERa lot of places are moving away from proof of work,

17:48SPEAKERwhich is what requires the gnarly math,

17:50SPEAKERand generates a lot of carbon because of the energy used.

17:56SPEAKERLike, Ethereum is working to move away from there.

17:57SPEAKERThere's a bunch of non-proof of work chains

18:00SPEAKERthat are built on proof of whatever else,

18:02SPEAKERincluding like the hard drive one

18:03SPEAKERand a bunch of other things.

18:05SPEAKERSome based on internet access,

18:06SPEAKERwhere you have like a wifi access point that people can hit,

18:09SPEAKERand the payment is in this cryptocurrency.

18:12SPEAKERSo it's like, it's just a payment processing engine

18:15SPEAKERat that point, and at the scale that they're operating at,

18:17SPEAKERit seems to be working fine.

18:19SPEAKERSo like, I don't know.

18:21SPEAKERI'm, I've been generally pretty bullish on blockchain stuff.

18:25SPEAKERI think that there's the interesting app,

18:28SPEAKERwe're at the point now,

18:30SPEAKERlike remember when web 2.0 was new,

18:32SPEAKERand like the only thing that was a web 2.0 app was delicious,

18:34SPEAKERand you were like, man, this is really neat,

18:36SPEAKERbut I don't know what anybody's gonna ever use this for.

18:38SPEAKER- Boy.

18:39SPEAKER- And then Yahoo bought them

18:40SPEAKERand completely fucking destroyed it.

18:42SPEAKER- Yes, well, actually, when you said that,

18:43SPEAKERI was thinking more about all of the other quote unquote,

18:45SPEAKERweb 2.0 sites and businesses that came about

18:47SPEAKERthat became the biggest things in the world.

18:49SPEAKER- But so, okay, so that early phase,

18:51SPEAKERwhen everybody was like, look, I'm web 2.0,

18:54SPEAKERthere was a lot of that nonsense, right?

18:56SPEAKERBut then now, the things that made those sites web 2.0

18:59SPEAKERare just the expectations for functionality

19:02SPEAKERon every website that we use today.

19:03SPEAKER- You're absolutely right about that, yes.

19:05SPEAKER- And we're at the point now where we're looking at,

19:08SPEAKERlike NFTs are delicious, right?

19:10SPEAKERThey're like, this is really neat.

19:11SPEAKERIt's cool that the artists are able to get paid,

19:13SPEAKERand we'll, I think we'll talk more about that soon.

19:16SPEAKERBut like, I don't know what the real applications are,

19:19SPEAKERand people are just starting

19:20SPEAKERto figure out the real applications.

19:21SPEAKER- Right, whoever solves those problems

19:23SPEAKERwill be the next wave of filthy billionaires.

19:25SPEAKER- Probably, yeah.

19:27SPEAKEROr maybe not, who knows?

19:28SPEAKERThey have, a lot of the people that work in this space

19:30SPEAKERhave different feelings about accumulation of wealth.

19:32SPEAKER- Sure.

19:33SPEAKER- Anyway, that's fair.

19:34SPEAKER- Okay, shall we move on?

19:36SPEAKER- Sure.

19:37SPEAKER- Next question is from Luke on the Discord.

19:40SPEAKERI always want to read his name as Luke JP,

19:42SPEAKERbecause I have text to kind of emoji functionality

19:46SPEAKERturned off in my Discord client.

19:48SPEAKER- What?

19:49SPEAKER- So everyone, look,

19:51SPEAKERif you want all of the emojis to show up

19:54SPEAKERas text emoticons, as I do,

19:57SPEAKERyou kind of have to throw the baby out with the bath water,

19:59SPEAKER'cause there's only one toggle in Discord

20:01SPEAKERfor turning all graphical icons into text.

20:05SPEAKER- Wait, so if I use the Guy Fieri emote

20:08SPEAKERin a message to you in Discord,

20:09SPEAKERdoes it just say Guy Fieri, Chef Kiss?

20:11SPEAKER- No, no, no, no, no, no.

20:12SPEAKERSo the emojis, the inline emojis

20:13SPEAKERstill show up as they should be.

20:16SPEAKER- Okay, it's only the Unicode emoji.

20:18SPEAKER- Yes, it's like if somebody types colon,

20:20SPEAKERyou know, colon, close parenthesis,

20:23SPEAKERit shows up as colon, close parenthesis,

20:25SPEAKERnot as a interpreted smiley face.

20:27SPEAKERAnyway, I'll say it does not display the Japanese flag

20:31SPEAKERafter his username in my Discord.

20:34SPEAKERIt always says JP, so I think of him as Luke JP.

20:36SPEAKER- Luke JP, okay, got it.

20:37SPEAKER- Let's reword this question.

20:39SPEAKERBefore music streaming took over,

20:40SPEAKERwhat was your PMP of choice?

20:42SPEAKERMine really kicked the llama's ass.

20:45SPEAKERPS, iTunes on Windows was garbage.

20:47SPEAKERI've never heard the term PMP before, but-

20:49SPEAKER- Personal media player.

20:50SPEAKER- God damn it, I was going to say from context,

20:54SPEAKERone might infer that it stands for exactly that.

20:56SPEAKEROr I might've said personal music players.

20:58SPEAKER- Probably music in the time.

21:00SPEAKER- That's what I would've assumed.

21:02SPEAKERBecause at the time he's describing,

21:04SPEAKERthere weren't a lot of video players out

21:05SPEAKERbecause video still kind of sucked, right?

21:08SPEAKERThat was pre-

21:09SPEAKER- 120 by 100 resolution or something ridiculous, yeah.

21:11SPEAKER- I think it wasn't until H.264 was very widespread

21:15SPEAKERbefore stuff like VLC and nice downloadable video

21:18SPEAKERreally came about, right?

21:19SPEAKERLike I'm trying to think what were-

21:21SPEAKER- There was MPEG-2 distribution.

21:22SPEAKER- MPEG-2, like DivX?

21:23SPEAKER- Yeah, DivX, but DivX was an MPEG-2 fork

21:26SPEAKERthat had IP stuff stripped out, sure.

21:28SPEAKER- Yeah, I guess it was getting there, you're right.

21:30SPEAKER- But the quality wasn't good and it was really blocky.

21:33SPEAKER- Yes, yes.

21:35SPEAKER- It was not designed to be, it was also for the most part,

21:38SPEAKERnot designed to be delivered in anything but a whole file.

21:41SPEAKERSo you couldn't usually start playback

21:42SPEAKERuntil it was all the way downloaded,

21:44SPEAKERwhich was a bad experience.

21:45SPEAKEROh, QuickTime was the other thing, QuickTime.

21:47SPEAKERLike I downloaded Spirit of Christmas,

21:49SPEAKERthe trademark of my own short as a move file, I believe.

21:54SPEAKER- Yes, yes.

21:55SPEAKERAnyway, mostly music players at the time he's talking about.

21:58SPEAKERI was absolutely a Winamp guy for pretty much ever

22:02SPEAKERuntil I'm trying to think what would have gotten me

22:04SPEAKERoff of Winamp.

22:05SPEAKER- Probably iTunes.

22:06SPEAKER- I think you're right. - Probably iPhone,

22:07SPEAKERif I had to guess.

22:08SPEAKER- I think it was iTunes, I think it was getting

22:10SPEAKERinto the Apple ecosystem and necessitating iTunes

22:13SPEAKERthat made me switch to iTunes for a while.

22:15SPEAKER- So the very first thing I wrote for the February 2000

22:18SPEAKERissue of Maximum PC Magazine was a guide

22:22SPEAKERto personal music players.

22:24SPEAKER- Okay, now the expert is here.

22:26SPEAKER- Well, pass, brief moment of expert.

22:30SPEAKERMy recommendation from that issue,

22:32SPEAKERwhich I used for a long time was Music Match Jukebox.

22:36SPEAKER- I've heard of that one.

22:37SPEAKER- It would do automatic, it would fix your ID3 tags,

22:41SPEAKERbasically. - Oh, wow.

22:42SPEAKER- Yeah, it was a powerful feature.

22:44SPEAKERI mean, not that things are that much better now,

22:45SPEAKERbut that was definitely a time of just garbage,

22:48SPEAKERmessy ID3 tags all over the place.

22:50SPEAKER- Well, yeah, even if you ripped your own music

22:51SPEAKERat that point, it also had a ripper built in,

22:53SPEAKERwhich was unusual at that time.

22:56SPEAKERI think if current me was going back to 2001,

23:00SPEAKERI would be a Winamp guy at this point, probably,

23:02SPEAKER'cause I would have just dealt with the tags, I think.

23:05SPEAKER- For sure, I'm looking, sorry, I'm looking up

23:07SPEAKERMusic Match Jukebox, it looks like Winamp.

23:09SPEAKERI guess all software looked like that back then.

23:12SPEAKER- Well, yeah, it was, the thing it was,

23:14SPEAKERwas it had a database, like it would scan your files

23:17SPEAKERand make a database so you could search for stuff

23:18SPEAKERand things like that, and Winamp kind of,

23:20SPEAKERWinamp required you to have folder structure

23:22SPEAKERthat was useful and good and all that.

23:24SPEAKER- Did it really?

23:24SPEAKERI guess I forgot that part. - Kind of.

23:25SPEAKEROr you made playlists, I guess.

23:27SPEAKER- Yeah, I think I was mostly a playlist guy.

23:28SPEAKERI mostly just used Winamp because of the skins.

23:31SPEAKERThere was such a thriving skin community for that.

23:33SPEAKERI'd mostly made it look like OS X.

23:35SPEAKER- I made a face.

23:37SPEAKER- What, why?

23:38SPEAKERI didn't, skins, I hate UI changes like that.

23:43SPEAKERIt just makes it hard to use that,

23:44SPEAKERI never know what to find.

23:45SPEAKERLike, you download the sick Half-Life 2 skin for Winamp

23:48SPEAKERand you're like, which of these symbols

23:50SPEAKERthat is not a play button is gonna make the music come out?

23:53SPEAKER- I mean, to be fair, in OS X treatment

23:55SPEAKERfor a music player skin, it's pretty obvious

23:56SPEAKERwhat the music controls are.

23:58SPEAKER- That's probably fine.

23:58SPEAKER- Also, Winamp used a non-standard skin to begin with,

24:00SPEAKERso like six of one, half a dozen of another.

24:03SPEAKER- That's fair.

24:04SPEAKER- Although, thinking back, now I suddenly feel

24:06SPEAKERthis strong wave of nostalgia about the Winamp interface.

24:10SPEAKER- There's a, I saw a few months ago,

24:13SPEAKERsomebody was talking about a Winamp skin archive

24:17SPEAKERthat has like, it may even be on archive.org,

24:19SPEAKERbut it has pictures of all of them.

24:21SPEAKERYou can get 'em all.

24:22SPEAKER- No kidding.

24:22SPEAKER- And it did indeed whip the longest ass.

24:23SPEAKER- Oh, I've gotta go look that up, that sounds great.

24:25SPEAKERI'm on winamp.com now, I haven't been here

24:27SPEAKERin a very long time.

24:28SPEAKERThere's a fun fact.

24:30SPEAKERFor years and years, whenever I would get

24:31SPEAKERon a new internet connection anywhere,

24:33SPEAKERwhen I would go download Winamp, see how fast it downloaded,

24:35SPEAKERthat was my benchmark.

24:37SPEAKER- How fast did it download?

24:37SPEAKER- In the days before speed tests or fast.com.

24:41SPEAKER- Well, Winamp got bought by AOL, right?

24:44SPEAKER- Was it AOL?

24:45SPEAKERIt definitely got bought.

24:45SPEAKER- Yeah, Llamasoft.

24:47SPEAKER- Justin Frankel is like still around.

24:49SPEAKERHe made Reaper, he's still doing stuff in that space.

24:52SPEAKER- Reaper, the music thing?

24:53SPEAKER- Yeah.

24:54SPEAKER- Oh, that's cool.

24:55SPEAKER- Well, now let me, let me make sure.

24:58SPEAKER- Here we go, here we go with the--

25:00SPEAKER- Live fact checking.

25:01SPEAKER- Fact checking.

25:03SPEAKER- I'm pretty sure that's right, yes, yes.

25:08SPEAKERAlso Shoutcast and Nutella, remember that?

25:11SPEAKER- Oh yeah, Nutella was--

25:12SPEAKER- Nutella, yeah, and Shoutcast.

25:14SPEAKERShoutcast was how I first got like streamed music

25:17SPEAKERon my computer.

25:18SPEAKER- That guy's done some cool stuff.

25:19SPEAKER- Did you ever run a Shoutcast station, Brad?

25:21SPEAKER- No, I did not run one.

25:22SPEAKERI certainly tried them out, I listened to them.

25:25SPEAKER- We should, we should start Shoutcasting the podcast.

25:27SPEAKER- Ooh.

25:28SPEAKER- It's like Sunday at midnight, just running out live.

25:30SPEAKER- Oh, that sounds cool.

25:32SPEAKER- Hey everybody, come on in live.

25:34SPEAKER- That sounds like exactly the kind of useless thing

25:36SPEAKERthat 67 people would enjoy that I would like to do.

25:39SPEAKER- Yeah, exactly.

25:41SPEAKER- Should I download one amp?

25:42SPEAKERI'm here.

25:43SPEAKER- No, I mean, do it maybe later, but not right now.

25:45SPEAKER- Just click download, it's downloading.

25:47SPEAKER- Oh boy, here it is.

25:47SPEAKER- Very slowly.

25:48SPEAKER- How long did it take?

25:49SPEAKER- Actually, it's still going.

25:50SPEAKER7.8 megabytes is taking longer than it takes

25:52SPEAKERfor me to say the sentence.

25:54SPEAKERIt just finished.

25:55SPEAKER- Dis, I think we're all disappointed.

25:58SPEAKER- Also, they now refer to it as version five point infinity,

26:00SPEAKERwhich is kind of cool.

26:01SPEAKERThat's a nice-

26:02SPEAKER- Is it open source by this point?

26:03SPEAKER- That's a neat way to get across.

26:05SPEAKERThis will be the last version of one amp ever.

26:07SPEAKER- Oh, wow.

26:08SPEAKER- It says elite version of one amp 5.8

26:10SPEAKERrecently spread over the internet.

26:12SPEAKERConsequently, we have decided to make this new version

26:14SPEAKERavailable to you revised by us.

26:16SPEAKER- Hmm.

26:17SPEAKER- I don't know.

26:18SPEAKERI'm gonna look this up.

26:19SPEAKER- I wouldn't run that on my computer

26:20SPEAKERwithout virus scanning it probably.

26:21SPEAKER- I don't intend to install this.

26:22SPEAKERI just, I am curious about where one amp has been

26:26SPEAKERin the last some years that I have not been using it.

26:29SPEAKER- Brad and Will made a really infected PC.

26:31SPEAKER- Ugh, God, my Windows install is so old.

26:34SPEAKER- Oh, hey, good news.

26:36SPEAKER- Oh, I heard there was a podcast I could listen to

26:38SPEAKERfor some nice tips on gussying up a new, fresh Windows.

26:43SPEAKER- I'm so excited, but Windows 11 is close enough now

26:45SPEAKERthat I feel like I have to wait.

26:47SPEAKER- Yeah, I don't think I'm gonna make the jump.

26:49SPEAKER- I know you're not gonna.

26:51SPEAKERThat surprises literally no one.

26:53SPEAKER- I mean, I have certainly been eager

26:55SPEAKERto install brand new OSs in the past.

26:58SPEAKERIt's just not so much this one.

26:59SPEAKERThere's just too much uncertainty about this one.

27:01SPEAKER- Yeah.

27:02SPEAKER- For now.

27:03SPEAKER- Should we do another question?

27:04SPEAKER- Uh, yeah, next question comes in from Mustard Facial.

27:07SPEAKER- Mm-hmm.

27:08SPEAKER- Bitch X, hex chat, or MIRC?

27:10SPEAKERIf MIRC, evaluation or paid?

27:13SPEAKERI felt like this question paired well with the last one

27:15SPEAKERjust asking a couple of old dudes

27:18SPEAKERabout their old software choices.

27:20SPEAKER- I was an MRC guy, MIRC guy,

27:23SPEAKERbecause I tried to get Bitch X to run

27:24SPEAKERand I could never make it work.

27:26SPEAKER- So first, I've never heard of hex chat.

27:29SPEAKER- I don't know what hex chat is.

27:30SPEAKER- I would have to look that up.

27:31SPEAKERIs that a, based on X chat,

27:36SPEAKERexists for Windows and Unix-like systems?

27:39SPEAKERWhen I saw it, at first I thought Bitch X was an IRC bot,

27:43SPEAKERbut it is a client, right?

27:44SPEAKER- It's a Linux client, I think.

27:45SPEAKER- I think you're right, I think you're right.

27:47SPEAKERIt was a Unix-like client back then, like ages ago.

27:51SPEAKERI mean, I remember people using Bitch X in the '90s.

27:55SPEAKERI think it was--

27:56SPEAKER- I wonder if I could run it on PowerShell

27:59SPEAKERnow that there's a Linux terminal.

28:01SPEAKER- You mean WSL, Windows Subsystem for Linux 2?

28:05SPEAKER- I bet it runs, I bet it just runs.

28:07SPEAKER- Oh, well, that's just Linux.

28:09SPEAKERThat is Linux.

28:11SPEAKERI don't know how you're starting it,

28:12SPEAKERbut that is an actual Linux VM.

28:15SPEAKERWSL 2 is literal, actual Linux.

28:17SPEAKERSo basically anything that runs in Linux runs in that

28:21SPEAKERwith some distinctions

28:22SPEAKERbecause they use a different init system, but...

28:26SPEAKER- Yeah, I don't think I ever managed

28:28SPEAKERto get Bitch X running on my shell account

28:29SPEAKERbecause I don't think that they let us install stuff

28:31SPEAKERon the shell account that was over a certain size

28:34SPEAKERand it was maybe too big.

28:37SPEAKERBut I was 100% an MRC guy.

28:39SPEAKER- Yeah, I was all Windows back then too, so.

28:41SPEAKER- I feel bad about it now,

28:42SPEAKERbut I totally downloaded a KeyGen.

28:45SPEAKER- Yikes.

28:46SPEAKER- Yeah, so paid, I guess.

28:47SPEAKER- I did not do that.

28:48SPEAKER- Wow, that's bold.

28:51SPEAKER- I know.

28:52SPEAKER- Admit that in public, geez.

28:53SPEAKER- I hope nobody comes after me, I'm so sorry.

28:54SPEAKER- I don't recall ever KeyGenning it,

28:56SPEAKERbut I never paid for it either.

28:58SPEAKERI just put up a splash screen

29:00SPEAKER'cause I think that was all there was.

29:02SPEAKER- It kicked you off after like 30 minutes or something,

29:03SPEAKERdidn't it? - No, no way.

29:04SPEAKERYou could definitely use that thing for free.

29:07SPEAKEROh God, don't tell me.

29:08SPEAKERKled, oh God, what was his name?

29:10SPEAKERThe developer of MRC, Kled.

29:13SPEAKER- Oh man, you're gonna have to call this episode

29:15SPEAKERBrad looks up people's names.

29:16SPEAKER- God, now I'm going to MRC.com.

29:20SPEAKER- Our next question comes from Xander.

29:22SPEAKER- God damn it, wait, I've got to find this out.

29:25SPEAKEROh, it's not even listed on this website.

29:27SPEAKERI'm not gonna install the client just to find this out.

29:29SPEAKER- Nope, you're gonna go to bed tonight.

29:32SPEAKERYou're gonna be laying there like it's Kled Mardom Bay.

29:38SPEAKERThere you go, he has a picture on there, right?

29:40SPEAKER- I should guess it, in the about screen, I think.

29:43SPEAKERI used Zircon for a while.

29:46SPEAKER- Oh, Zircon was good, it had skins, right?

29:49SPEAKER- Maybe, it never came out of beta though.

29:50SPEAKERIt made it to beta four, 1.0 beta four on windows

29:53SPEAKERand it seemed very promising.

29:54SPEAKERIt let you do TCL scripting to customize your IRC client.

29:59SPEAKER- But then the final mini bot.

30:01SPEAKER- Kinda.

30:01SPEAKER- You bought yourself?

30:02SPEAKER- The final version never came out and it was very sad.

30:05SPEAKER- Oh, those were the days.

30:07SPEAKER- Yeah, okay, how about...

30:11SPEAKER- I scrolled down to the next question,

30:12SPEAKERI read somebody's name already Brad.

30:14SPEAKER- Oh, you already said this is the one from Xander?

30:16SPEAKER- Yeah.

30:16SPEAKER- Xander in the Bay area?

30:18SPEAKER- Yes, I've met Xander before.

30:19SPEAKER- Oh, you have?

30:20SPEAKER- Yeah.

30:21SPEAKER- Oh, well, this is one of the two people

30:24SPEAKERwho emailed us this month.

30:26SPEAKER- Thanks, Xander.

30:26SPEAKER- Yeah, I was wondering if you all have any advice

30:29SPEAKERfor 3D scanning someone's head and converting that

30:32SPEAKERinto something I can print.

30:34SPEAKERBonus points for an entire body scan

30:36SPEAKERand getting a full-sized foam sculpt.

30:39SPEAKERIs this achievable and affordable

30:41SPEAKERby normal people these days?

30:43SPEAKERBonus info, I have both an iPhone 12 Pro and a new iPad Pro.

30:48SPEAKER- So the scanning is gonna be pretty straightforward.

30:53SPEAKERThe application you want is called,

30:55SPEAKERI think it's Scandi Pro and it's free to try

31:00SPEAKERand costs like, there's a subscription fee.

31:02SPEAKERFor a while, the subscriptions were only annual.

31:05SPEAKERI feel like people got pissed off about that.

31:06SPEAKERSo you might be able to flip it on for a month

31:08SPEAKERand flip it back off.

31:09SPEAKERBut it uses the depth sensor on the iPhone

31:11SPEAKERor the LIDAR thing on the iPad.

31:14SPEAKERAnd yeah, basically you're gonna wanna use

31:20SPEAKERthe back-facing camera for this probably,

31:22SPEAKERwould be my guess.

31:23SPEAKERSo you can stand, they have to stand incredibly still.

31:26SPEAKERYou're gonna wanna pull, if they have long hair

31:28SPEAKERor curly hair or anything like that,

31:30SPEAKERyou wanna get the hair down as much as possible.

31:33SPEAKERAnd then you need a stool or whatever

31:36SPEAKER'cause you gotta get above.

31:38SPEAKERYou kinda want them to T-pose

31:40SPEAKERor at least have their arms out at a 45 degree angle

31:42SPEAKERso you can get armpits and crotchal region and all of that.

31:47SPEAKER- It's a proper anatomical term.

31:49SPEAKER- Yeah, the cutting, the head is a lot easier

31:54SPEAKERif you have somebody sitting in an office chair

31:56SPEAKERand put the iPad on a fixed mount

31:59SPEAKERor the iPhone will work too on a fixed mount.

32:02SPEAKERGetting the optimal distance

32:03SPEAKERrequires a little trial and error.

32:06SPEAKERYou wanna make sure you have pretty good lighting

32:07SPEAKERbut it doesn't really matter with the iPhone sensor.

32:10SPEAKERAnd if they sit with their spine

32:14SPEAKERand the center of the, not necessarily the same spine

32:17SPEAKERbut the center of their head aligned

32:19SPEAKERwith the axis that the chair turns on,

32:21SPEAKERyou can just turn the chair real slowly and it works great.

32:23SPEAKER- Oh, wow.

32:25SPEAKER- Although that said, Scandy does use the accelerometer

32:28SPEAKERand gyroscope and depth sensors

32:30SPEAKERto tell how it's moving in 3D space as well.

32:32SPEAKERSo it may work better now

32:33SPEAKERif you actually move the camera around

32:35SPEAKERrather than have them move.

32:38SPEAKERWiggling totally jacks it up though.

32:41SPEAKERThe printing side is harder.

32:45SPEAKERIf you want life size,

32:48SPEAKERyou're gonna probably have to get somebody to do that.

32:50SPEAKERIf you get a clean enough model

32:52SPEAKERand you kind of decimate it down

32:53SPEAKERso it's reasonable number of polygons,

32:56SPEAKERyou might be able to get a foam head cut out

32:58SPEAKERon like a CNC lathe or CNC mill or something like that.

33:02SPEAKERI don't know, I'd be curious.

33:04SPEAKERIf people have comments on that,

33:05SPEAKERmaybe post them in the Discord or send them to email

33:08SPEAKERand we'll share them later.

33:09SPEAKERBut my guess is that that's gonna be really expensive.

33:14SPEAKERThe full-size foam body is gonna cost a fortune.

33:17SPEAKER- Yeah, I believe that.

33:18SPEAKERI know nothing of the subject and even I believe that.

33:20SPEAKER- Like that thing that happens in "Mission Impossible"

33:22SPEAKERwhere they carve the face out of the foam block

33:25SPEAKERis really cool and you can't do that with real lasers

33:28SPEAKER'cause the foams from burning the styrofoam are super bad

33:30SPEAKERfor everything involved in the process.

33:33SPEAKER- Yes, no lasers on foam, styrofoam or otherwise.

33:35SPEAKER- No lasers on anything with chlorine.

33:38SPEAKER- Yeah.

33:40SPEAKER- All right, the more you know.

33:41SPEAKER- What's the next beat, QJ?

33:43SPEAKERI'm gonna call you a question jockey from now on.

33:45SPEAKERUgh, ugh, it's bad.

33:47SPEAKERIt's how I said that and I immediately regretted it.

33:49SPEAKER- That is bad.

33:51SPEAKERHow about this question

33:52SPEAKERfrom Chester "Snapdragon" McFistacuffs.

33:57SPEAKERPretty good name.

33:59SPEAKERDo you wear a smartwatch?

34:00SPEAKERI just bought one and I think I'm excited.

34:03SPEAKERSo you can tell he was asking a question

34:04SPEAKER'cause I said that I raised the intonation

34:06SPEAKERat the end of the sentence.

34:07SPEAKER- This is why you're the QJ.

34:08SPEAKER- That's right, yep.

34:10SPEAKERI don't wear a watch of any kind.

34:14SPEAKERLong about the time the pandemic started,

34:15SPEAKERI was starting to consider getting an Apple Watch

34:17SPEAKERfor both fitness and payment reasons.

34:21SPEAKERBut then now I never leave the house, so no.

34:25SPEAKER- I bought the very first Apple Watch

34:27SPEAKERand two years later they stopped supporting it

34:30SPEAKERwith new software, two and a half years later,

34:31SPEAKERsomething like that.

34:32SPEAKERAnd I was like, I'm never gonna pay $600

34:34SPEAKERfor one of these things again.

34:35SPEAKER- That's rough, I don't know how other manufacturers are.

34:38SPEAKERI know Samsung's pretty big in that space,

34:40SPEAKERbut the Apple's treatment of Apple Watch customers

34:42SPEAKERseems kind of suspect.

34:43SPEAKER- Well, so they're better now.

34:45SPEAKERLike they last a long time now.

34:47SPEAKER- My girlfriend has a, I think it's a series one.

34:51SPEAKERI think it's the second generation one.

34:53SPEAKER- Yeah, mine was the series zero.

34:55SPEAKERThey originally just called the Apple Watch

34:56SPEAKERand then immediately stopped supporting.

34:58SPEAKER- So I think she has the one after you,

35:00SPEAKERbut the battery is bulging the screen out of the unit now.

35:04SPEAKER- They replaced my series zero when it was bulging,

35:07SPEAKEReven when it was way out of warranty.

35:08SPEAKER- For free?

35:09SPEAKER- For 20 bucks.

35:10SPEAKER- Okay, the best we could tell

35:12SPEAKERit was gonna cost at least 80 to get this replaced.

35:15SPEAKER- Well, they also offered to buy it back from me for $5.

35:18SPEAKERSo I thought that was nice.

35:19SPEAKER- What a deal.

35:23SPEAKER- That said, the time that they support them now

35:27SPEAKERis much better.

35:27SPEAKERThey still are like at most, I think a five-year thing,

35:31SPEAKERwhich is a kind of, it's a lot of money

35:33SPEAKERto spend on something in the last five years.

35:35SPEAKERI've had a couple of Android smartwatches over the years,

35:38SPEAKERbut as an iOS user, they're not exactly useless,

35:41SPEAKERbut they're not great.

35:43SPEAKERThe Pebble, the one that had the E Ink screen

35:47SPEAKERor the electronic Ink screen, whatever it was,

35:50SPEAKERI absolutely loved.

35:51SPEAKERI thought it was fabulous

35:52SPEAKER'cause it gave me notifications and it told the time

35:54SPEAKERand the battery lasted seven or eight days,

35:56SPEAKERwhich is really all I wanted out of it.

35:59SPEAKERThe new Apple Watches, as I get older,

36:02SPEAKERthe new Apple Watches that have the EKG and the blood ox

36:05SPEAKERand all that stuff seem kind of compelling

36:07SPEAKERwith a family history of heart disease.

36:09SPEAKER- Oh, right, that's right.

36:10SPEAKERYes, I don't.

36:12SPEAKERIt's almost like we're both from the South.

36:14SPEAKERHow surprising that we both have

36:15SPEAKERa family history of heart disease.

36:17SPEAKER- Yeah, shocking that.

36:18SPEAKER- Yeah, that's the other one I forgot,

36:19SPEAKERbut besides the fitness tracking and the Apple Pay stuff,

36:22SPEAKERthe telemetry on your ongoing passive health statistics,

36:27SPEAKERpretty appealing.

36:27SPEAKER- That said, when I asked my doctor about this years ago,

36:30SPEAKERhe was like, yeah, I don't, none of that stuff matter.

36:33SPEAKERI'm not gonna, I was like, is any of this actionable?

36:35SPEAKERHe's like, no, don't worry about it.

36:37SPEAKERBut that was before they put the actual EKG in,

36:39SPEAKERso who knows?

36:41SPEAKERI don't know, I have a wind-up watch.

36:43SPEAKERI like my wind-up watch, but I don't ever wear it

36:45SPEAKER'cause I don't ever leave the house anymore.

36:47SPEAKER- Yes, I know the feeling.

36:52SPEAKERLet's see, how about this question from Alex Petliakov,

36:57SPEAKERwho says, I hope I said his name correctly.

37:00SPEAKERGreetings from the land of bears and vodka.

37:03SPEAKERHe means-

37:04SPEAKER- Oh, Canada.

37:05SPEAKER- He means Russia, but they're not as far apart

37:07SPEAKERas you might think.

37:08SPEAKER- Yeah.

37:11SPEAKER- Similar latitude.

37:13SPEAKER- Yeah.

37:14SPEAKER- What's your take on the current state of the process

37:16SPEAKERof opening or starting a company?

37:18SPEAKERDoes digital make it easier or better,

37:19SPEAKERor is bureaucracy winning no matter how hard we try?

37:23SPEAKER- I don't know, when we started the company for TechPod,

37:26SPEAKERI found it pretty simple.

37:28SPEAKERIt took 15 minutes.

37:30SPEAKER- I mean, then we had to wait a few days.

37:32SPEAKER- Well, yeah, obviously stuff has to process on the backend,

37:34SPEAKERbut you screen shared and let me watch

37:36SPEAKERjust so we would both be on the, you know, in the know.

37:39SPEAKER- We basically-

37:40SPEAKER- It was just kind of, it was a very web two point,

37:42SPEAKERI don't know if that's the right term,

37:43SPEAKERbut it was a very sanitized, like friendly,

37:47SPEAKERyou know, rough edges filed down,

37:48SPEAKERlike clicking next a lot and just typing into some fields.

37:51SPEAKER- It was way easier than it was five years ago

37:53SPEAKERwhen I started FU, but it's also,

37:55SPEAKERwe're doing an LLC instead of a C Corp,

37:56SPEAKERso it's a different structure.

37:58SPEAKERMuch simpler.

37:58SPEAKER- Different requirements and stuff.

37:59SPEAKER- Yeah, I mean, this was my first experience with it,

38:02SPEAKERso I can't, I have no frame of reference,

38:04SPEAKERbut I would say the digital access to that stuff

38:08SPEAKERis making it easier.

38:09SPEAKER- I, so there's a Cory Doctorow book

38:13SPEAKERfrom like 2000, 2001, 2002, somewhere in there,

38:17SPEAKERthat's about a corporation that writes scripts

38:22SPEAKERthat basically let them continue to incorporate

38:25SPEAKERand make like a Russian doll of nested companies

38:29SPEAKERall the way down, so that basically

38:32SPEAKERthey're completely impervious to any kind of investigation

38:35SPEAKERbecause there's no idea, no way of telling.

38:37SPEAKERIt's almost like the Trump org, actually.

38:39SPEAKER- Great.

38:40SPEAKER- But like programmatic and smart instead of,

38:42SPEAKERyou know, Trumpian.

38:43SPEAKER- Yes.

38:45SPEAKER- Yeah, so I, like, I don't know,

38:49SPEAKERsometimes I feel like maybe having some speed bumps

38:51SPEAKERon this stuff is good, but in this case,

38:52SPEAKERit really benefited us, so I don't know.

38:54SPEAKER- It did, the one caveat here,

38:56SPEAKERI would say it's kind of a double-edged sword

38:57SPEAKERbecause it's very easy to get in,

39:00SPEAKERwhich may be a little misleading

39:02SPEAKERin terms of how difficult it is to then parse

39:05SPEAKERa lot of the requirements later on.

39:07SPEAKER- That's true.

39:08SPEAKER- In terms of filing, filing requirements

39:10SPEAKERlike tax regulations, stuff like that,

39:12SPEAKERlike they make it very easy to set the company up,

39:14SPEAKERbut they don't then come after you and say like,

39:16SPEAKER"Hey, you need to file this with the state

39:18SPEAKERand do this by this date and like,

39:20SPEAKERmake sure you pay taxes four times a year."

39:23SPEAKER- Yeah, we do need to do all that stuff still

39:26SPEAKERwhen I think about it, so yeah.

39:28SPEAKER(laughing)

39:29SPEAKER- Still a lot to figure out, it's not easy.

39:32SPEAKER- It's always, like it's always challenging,

39:40SPEAKERthis is a place where I actually miss living

39:42SPEAKERin a small town because if I lived in a small town,

39:44SPEAKERI have an accountant that I've known for 20 years

39:46SPEAKERand I would just call and say, "Hey," or a lawyer,

39:48SPEAKERand I'd just call and say, "Hey, I have this thing

39:50SPEAKERI want to do, can you help me do it?"

39:52SPEAKERAnd they'd be like, "Yeah, it'll be 250 bucks, here you go."

39:54SPEAKERBut here you call like five different lawyers

39:57SPEAKERand they're all like, "Oh yeah, we charge $600 an hour

40:00SPEAKERand this is usually a three hour job."

40:01SPEAKERAnd we're like, "Oh man, I don't know if it's about..."

40:03SPEAKERAll of us do the website and take my chances.

40:05SPEAKER- Just figure it out.

40:07SPEAKER- I can do some reading.

40:08SPEAKER- This white collar crime was the worst that could happen.

40:10SPEAKER- They're gonna ask you to pay a fine, it's probably okay.

40:12SPEAKERAnd plus if it goes to, look, as we established

40:15SPEAKERwhen we started the podcast, Brad's the mastermind,

40:18SPEAKERif anything goes bad, he's the one that goes to jail,

40:21SPEAKERI'm just the patsy, I'm just doing it.

40:22SPEAKER- God dammit, now I know why you registered this thing

40:24SPEAKERwith my name first.

40:26SPEAKER- Podcast law.

40:27SPEAKER- Shit.

40:28SPEAKER- I emailed it to myself, Brad.

40:31SPEAKER- You know, I never thought to actually ask you this,

40:33SPEAKERand now here I find myself asking you on air

40:35SPEAKERin the middle of everything in front of everyone.

40:37SPEAKER- Yeah, this is embarrassing for both of us.

40:39SPEAKER- Did you put my name first in the title

40:41SPEAKERfor alphabetization reasons?

40:44SPEAKERI can't talk today.

40:46SPEAKER- When we came up with the name,

40:47SPEAKERBrad and Will made a tech pod,

40:48SPEAKERa placeholder name for the preview episode.

40:52SPEAKER- Okay, am I ascribing more intentional thought

40:54SPEAKERto this process than actually happened?

40:57SPEAKER- I was always under the impression

40:59SPEAKERthat the preferred way to do this in the English language

41:02SPEAKERwhen you are making a list of yourself and other people

41:06SPEAKERis that you put yourself at the end.

41:07SPEAKER- Oh, so it was Southern manners.

41:10SPEAKER- Manners.

41:10SPEAKER- Is what you're saying.

41:11SPEAKERI always assumed you did it so that we would float

41:14SPEAKERway higher in any list of alphabetized podcasts.

41:16SPEAKER- That is way smarter a reason

41:17SPEAKERthan I ever would have come up with.

41:19SPEAKER- Also again, as you alluded to,

41:21SPEAKERI don't think either of us expected or intended

41:23SPEAKERfor that to be the permanent title

41:25SPEAKERand then all of a sudden it just happened.

41:28SPEAKER- Yeah, like sweatpants tech pod didn't really stick

41:30SPEAKERfor either of us super well, but I liked the concept

41:34SPEAKERand then we're like, what if it's just like,

41:36SPEAKERyou know, great placeholder names

41:39SPEAKERand then people liked it so it worked out.

41:40SPEAKERIf I was really smart, we would have called it Ad

41:42SPEAKERand Will made a tech pod

41:43SPEAKER'cause then it'd be two As at the front.

41:47SPEAKER- AAA Art of Architect podcast.

41:48SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah, exactly.

41:51SPEAKERWe're gonna need you to change your name, Brad.

41:52SPEAKERI hope that's okay.

41:53SPEAKERI have a web form.

41:54SPEAKER- It just occurred to me the dishwasher hunt

41:56SPEAKERthat I'm on as referred to in the cold open,

41:59SPEAKERall of the appliance repair places I've contacted

42:02SPEAKERhave a bunch of As in their name.

42:03SPEAKER- Weird that.

42:05SPEAKERIt's Aaron's appliance repair.

42:08SPEAKER- AAA All-Star appliance repair.

42:11SPEAKER- Oh, these are big city problems for appliance guys.

42:14SPEAKERAppliance game's hot these days.

42:15SPEAKER- Yeah, so it seems.

42:17SPEAKER- I wish I could do something where I got paid 500 bucks

42:19SPEAKERjust for hitting the door.

42:20SPEAKER- God, I bet that is pretty lucrative, isn't it?

42:23SPEAKERYou have to know how to fix stuff.

42:25SPEAKERYou have to know how to deal with people, customers.

42:27SPEAKER- You know what?

42:28SPEAKERIf you're in the dishwasher repair game,

42:30SPEAKERall you have to do is get there and be like,

42:32SPEAKERyep, no, this one's not worth fixing.

42:33SPEAKERYou should buy a new one.

42:34SPEAKERWhere's my $500?

42:35SPEAKER- Damn, we're in the wrong line of work.

42:38SPEAKER- I know.

42:40SPEAKER- Let's see here.

42:43SPEAKERWe've got a lot of good questions here.

42:44SPEAKERI'm going to say thank you to everyone for writing in.

42:46SPEAKEROh, here's a good one that I skipped over earlier.

42:48SPEAKERRyan from Northern Ireland.

42:51SPEAKERWhat are your thoughts on the future

42:52SPEAKERof cinema and movie watching?

42:54SPEAKER- Ooh.

42:55SPEAKER- It seems like cinemas are going for full luxury

42:57SPEAKERwith better seats and big sound,

42:59SPEAKERbut picture quality is still going to be a challenge

43:02SPEAKERfor them while using projectors that don't have the ability

43:04SPEAKERto show HDR and so on.

43:06SPEAKERAnd at the same time, consumer audio is starting

43:08SPEAKERto show interesting strides with the likes

43:11SPEAKERof Apple spatial audio and headphones

43:13SPEAKERthat simulate full Atmos surround.

43:16SPEAKERWill we see the home user end up

43:18SPEAKERwith the ultimate theater experience in the end?

43:20SPEAKERLove the show and thanks for your company

43:22SPEAKERthrough the last year plus.

43:25SPEAKER- When was the last time you went to a movie, Brad?

43:28SPEAKER- Man, holy crap.

43:30SPEAKERI mean, I'm a complete shut in, so I'm a bad person to ask.

43:35SPEAKER- But you're not like a regular cinema goer.

43:37SPEAKER- Even before times.

43:38SPEAKER- Yeah, I'm trying to think, even before the pandemic,

43:39SPEAKERlike I, God, man, we saw Interstellar in the theater,

43:42SPEAKERbut that was like 2014.

43:46SPEAKERI do not remember, man.

43:48SPEAKERLike, I mean, we're in a nice position

43:51SPEAKERwhere the San Francisco Public Library

43:52SPEAKERhas a ton of Blu-rays.

43:54SPEAKERLike, they get everything that comes out.

43:57SPEAKER- Yeah.

43:57SPEAKER- Well, not everything, everything,

43:58SPEAKERbut like damn near every new release,

44:00SPEAKERthey get a ton of copies of stuff.

44:01SPEAKERSo, and we live very close to a branch

44:03SPEAKERso we can just check out most every movie for free

44:06SPEAKERand go get it and watch it easily.

44:08SPEAKER- Well, so when I, so I love going to the theater.

44:12SPEAKERLike, it's one of my favorite things in the world to do.

44:14SPEAKERLike, I like going and getting some popcorn

44:16SPEAKERand getting a hot dog and getting a Coke

44:18SPEAKERand sitting down and eating some garbage food

44:21SPEAKERand watching a really stupid movie

44:22SPEAKERon a big giant screen, as loud as it can be.

44:24SPEAKER- You spent most of that description talking about the food,

44:26SPEAKERhow much of it is actually just the food?

44:28SPEAKER- I can make all of those food items at home

44:30SPEAKERand it's still not quite the same.

44:31SPEAKER- Okay.

44:32SPEAKER- I like the big loud, I like the shiny and the pew pew

44:35SPEAKERand the big screen.

44:36SPEAKER- Yeah, I mean, it's the classic American ritual.

44:38SPEAKERObviously, it's not just American, but you know what I mean.

44:40SPEAKERIt's like kind of a piece of Americana,

44:42SPEAKERthe ritual of going to the theater.

44:45SPEAKER- Well, but there's also,

44:46SPEAKERlike in our increasingly tech obsessed world,

44:49SPEAKERsays the old man,

44:51SPEAKERthere's also a nice thing about going to the theater,

44:53SPEAKERwhich is that I go to the theater

44:55SPEAKERand I expect to fully focus

44:56SPEAKERon whatever it is that I'm doing, right?

44:57SPEAKERLike, and I do that at home.

45:00SPEAKERI make a concerted effort to go to home,

45:01SPEAKERbut I have to make an effort to do that at home.

45:03SPEAKERAnd if I go to the theater,

45:05SPEAKERI'm not enough of an asshole to like whip out my phone

45:07SPEAKERand start texting somebody in the middle of the movie.

45:09SPEAKER- Yeah, but there are plenty of those assholes.

45:10SPEAKEROh, gravity.

45:11SPEAKERI just remembered I saw gravity in the IMAX

45:13SPEAKERand the guy in front of me would not get off his damn phone.

45:15SPEAKERAnd so that really sucked.

45:17SPEAKER- Yeah, so that's bad.

45:18SPEAKERLike, so one of the things I found is that

45:21SPEAKERwhen we started getting reserved seats theaters here,

45:26SPEAKERthat problem almost evaporated

45:28SPEAKER'cause those tickets were always a little bit more expensive

45:30SPEAKERand the people who were willing to pay the extra two bucks

45:33SPEAKERwere less likely to be on their phone

45:35SPEAKERtexting during the movie, except for during kids' movies.

45:37SPEAKER- Yeah, that makes sense.

45:38SPEAKERI think Ryan from Northern Ireland

45:40SPEAKERpretty much hit it on the head

45:41SPEAKERand hit the nail on the head, right?

45:42SPEAKERLike a luxury high-end experience

45:45SPEAKERprobably seems like the way forward for theaters.

45:47SPEAKERLike you have to offer something they can't get at home.

45:51SPEAKER- The Dolby cinema approach,

45:53SPEAKERlike the big giant, like super bright laser illuminated

45:57SPEAKERscreen and the sound that melts your teeth

46:00SPEAKERand the whole thing.

46:01SPEAKERI absolutely love that.

46:02SPEAKERI even love the stupid screen that you walk in

46:04SPEAKERon the way into those that has like some weird outtakes

46:07SPEAKERfrom the movies or like the character standing there.

46:08SPEAKERSo you can take your pictures next to the big selfie screen.

46:13SPEAKERI think, well, first off,

46:15SPEAKERgood theaters should be able to keep up better

46:17SPEAKERthan home users 'cause like a home user replaces a TV

46:20SPEAKERevery five to 10 years, if that,

46:22SPEAKERand the theaters replace projectors every two,

46:26SPEAKERwell, traditionally every two or three years.

46:28SPEAKERNow the pandemic has had a huge, the other part,

46:33SPEAKERthe Apple spatial audio stuff is really cool

46:36SPEAKERfor listening to movies and watching movies on your phone,

46:37SPEAKERbut like, it's not gonna replace the 50 speakers

46:40SPEAKERthat are in an IMAX theater or whatever

46:42SPEAKERthat make your intestines rumble.

46:44SPEAKER- Sure.

46:46SPEAKER- That said, the movie theater situation is in flux.

46:50SPEAKERA couple of chains have already gone out of business

46:52SPEAKERas a result of the pandemic.

46:54SPEAKERLike everybody is hunkering down.

46:55SPEAKERI really worry that we're gonna end up

46:58SPEAKERwith the antitrust changes that happened

47:00SPEAKERa couple of years ago in terms of studios

47:02SPEAKERbeing allowed to own theater chains now.

47:04SPEAKER- That's right.

47:05SPEAKER- That we're gonna end up in a situation

47:07SPEAKERlike we were in the 50s where the studios

47:09SPEAKERown their own theater chains.

47:11SPEAKERAnd if you wanna see a Disney movie or a Fox movie

47:13SPEAKERor one of the other five different sub brands

47:16SPEAKERthat Disney owns now, you gotta go to AMC.

47:19SPEAKERAnd if you wanna see a Universal movie,

47:20SPEAKERyou gotta go to Regal.

47:22SPEAKERIf you wanna see blah, blah, blah.

47:23SPEAKERAnd like, that seems like a frigging awful,

47:26SPEAKERbad situation to be in.

47:28SPEAKER- That will be the end of me going to the theater,

47:30SPEAKERmost likely.

47:31SPEAKER- Yeah, vertically integrated monopolies are bad,

47:33SPEAKERit turns out.

47:34SPEAKER- Who knew? - Yeah, who would have thought?

47:36SPEAKERYeah, I am the opposite of you, Hyde.

47:38SPEAKERThe home experience has gotten more than good enough

47:41SPEAKERfor me to be much happier at home.

47:44SPEAKER- Well, let me take that back with a few exceptions

47:47SPEAKERbecause I just remembered what I actually just saw

47:49SPEAKERat the last in the theater.

47:50SPEAKER- Okay.

47:51SPEAKER- It was Apollo 11 in the IMAX.

47:52SPEAKER- Oh, you got to see that?

47:53SPEAKERI did go see that, I wish I had.

47:55SPEAKER- Which only ran for two weeks, I think.

47:58SPEAKER- They brought it back a couple of times.

47:59SPEAKERBut yeah, you're talking about the documentary,

48:01SPEAKERnot the Tom Hanks movie.

48:02SPEAKER- Yes, no, no, no, this is Apollo 11.

48:04SPEAKERWe've talked about it before,

48:05SPEAKERbut if you don't remember that, or if you haven't seen it,

48:07SPEAKERgo watch it 'cause it's incredible.

48:08SPEAKERIt's the documentary where they found hundreds of hours

48:13SPEAKERof undeveloped 35 millimeter film in the NASA archives

48:15SPEAKERof the Apollo 11 launch and mission.

48:17SPEAKER- Well, it wasn't, like they did that intentionally too.

48:20SPEAKER- What, what?

48:21SPEAKER- They didn't develop all of the,

48:22SPEAKERlike all of the film from the Apollo missions

48:24SPEAKERisn't gonna be developed for years.

48:25SPEAKER- Well, this was very much portrayed

48:27SPEAKERas nobody still at NASA knew this was here.

48:29SPEAKERThis like, it was kind of lost in the archive.

48:30SPEAKERIt was just sitting in the warehouse.

48:32SPEAKER- Oh, wow.

48:33SPEAKER- You don't know what treasure,

48:34SPEAKERyou can read interviews with the filmmakers

48:35SPEAKERwho they set out to make one kind of Apollo 11 documentary.

48:39SPEAKER- Yeah.

48:40SPEAKER- And then once NASA went into the archives

48:41SPEAKERand found all this stuff,

48:42SPEAKERthey ended up making a very different movie.

48:44SPEAKER- That's awesome.

48:45SPEAKER- But I mean, I know I've gushed about this before.

48:47SPEAKERI mean, it's just mind blowing

48:49SPEAKER'cause that footage looks so good.

48:50SPEAKERIt's other than the Beehive hairstyles

48:51SPEAKERand Horner and glasses and so forth.

48:54SPEAKER- Yeah.

48:55SPEAKER- And like smoking in the mission control or whatever,

48:57SPEAKERit looks like it was shot yesterday.

48:59SPEAKER- When we went to Johnson and they were tearing out,

49:02SPEAKERlike they were remodeling one of the mission controls,

49:04SPEAKERwe got to go in and see the ashtrays.

49:06SPEAKER- God.

49:07SPEAKER- It hadn't been used in a long time,

49:08SPEAKERbut they were still there.

49:09SPEAKER- That would be a great tchotchke in the gift shop

49:10SPEAKERto sell a replica.

49:12SPEAKER- Of course.

49:13SPEAKER- I think they all stole them, so they would have them.

49:15SPEAKER- Yeah, I believe it.

49:16SPEAKER- Yeah.

49:17SPEAKER- I would.

49:18SPEAKER(laughing)

49:19SPEAKERAnyway.

49:22SPEAKER- Like I hope that cinema continues

49:24SPEAKER'cause I love going to the movies.

49:25SPEAKER- Yeah, yes, yes.

49:26SPEAKERLike for the people who love it, I'm ambivalent,

49:29SPEAKERbut it would be a real shame for that to go bad.

49:33SPEAKER- At the same time, that seems like the kind of thing

49:35SPEAKERwhere like a hundred years from now,

49:37SPEAKERI would absolutely believe if we could look through

49:40SPEAKERa window in time, I would believe that theaters

49:42SPEAKERcould be completely, like the form of movies

49:45SPEAKERmight be gone in a hundred years, right?

49:47SPEAKER- A hundred years is a long time.

49:48SPEAKER- Yeah.

49:49SPEAKER- Like if I lived, my feelings might be different

49:52SPEAKERon the whole thing if I lived someplace

49:54SPEAKERthat was big enough that I had like a basement room

49:55SPEAKERI could devote to a screen.

49:57SPEAKERLike we have friends who have big giant theaters

50:00SPEAKERin their basements and with like recliners

50:03SPEAKERand the whole thing and like if we were in a situation

50:06SPEAKERwhere we could put a projector up,

50:07SPEAKERI might have a different feeling about the whole thing.

50:09SPEAKERBut in a hundred years, you're right.

50:10SPEAKERWe're gonna be just putting the spike

50:11SPEAKERin the back of your skull and watch a movie in eight seconds.

50:14SPEAKERIt's done.

50:15SPEAKER- Or you're gonna be in the movie.

50:17SPEAKERLike you will be participating in.

50:19SPEAKER- Yeah, Keanu Reeves looks up at the camera and goes,

50:22SPEAKER"Whoa, I've just seen Howard's End."

50:26SPEAKER- You never wanna see Howard's End.

50:27SPEAKER- No.

50:28SPEAKER- Trust me.

50:29SPEAKER- I don't actually remember what Howard's End is,

50:30SPEAKERbut anyway.

50:33SPEAKER- Let's see here.

50:35SPEAKER- I'm gonna do a couple more maybe.

50:36SPEAKER- Yeah, a couple of quick ones.

50:39SPEAKERHow this question is difficult from Lane Robert Lane.

50:42SPEAKER- Oh boy.

50:44SPEAKER- Speaking of future tech,

50:45SPEAKERif you had to choose a piece of futuristic tech

50:47SPEAKERfrom Star Trek to magic into existence,

50:50SPEAKERexcluding the scarcity of resource

50:52SPEAKERslash solving world hunger ending replicators.

50:56SPEAKERThat's the part that makes this question tough.

50:57SPEAKERWhat would it be?

51:00SPEAKERAnd if all up for the most realistic future tech,

51:02SPEAKERyou're most excited to see be developed.

51:04SPEAKER- Like, man, this is tough.

51:05SPEAKER- Like it is the replicator a thousand,

51:06SPEAKERlike every all day, every day,

51:08SPEAKERlike a thousand times over.

51:09SPEAKERLike the machine that magics,

51:13SPEAKERyou know, critical resources from nothing.

51:16SPEAKERSo if he excludes that from the question,

51:18SPEAKERlike I don't even know.

51:21SPEAKERI would say the medical technology.

51:22SPEAKERDoes that count?

51:23SPEAKERIs that distinct enough from the replicator?

51:25SPEAKER- Well, are we assuming that like the power,

51:27SPEAKER'cause I feel like everything is like transporters,

51:30SPEAKERreplicators, all that stuff is based on the idea

51:34SPEAKERthat like energy is free.

51:36SPEAKER- Yeah, so it is not only that,

51:37SPEAKERbut they have magicked some,

51:39SPEAKERthey've unlocked some magic solution for matter,

51:41SPEAKERfor controlled matter energy conversion.

51:43SPEAKERThat's the whole premise of Star Trek.

51:44SPEAKER- Yeah.

51:45SPEAKER- Is that they have unlimited stores of energy

51:48SPEAKERand they can turn that energy into any arrangement of matter

51:50SPEAKERthey want at any time.

51:51SPEAKEROr that's how transporters work as well, right?

51:53SPEAKERYou turn a person into an energy and back.

51:56SPEAKER- Well, the way transporters really work is by plot,

51:58SPEAKERbut okay.

51:59SPEAKER- No, no, I know I'm saying that's their justification

52:00SPEAKERfor it, like that's how they explain it.

52:02SPEAKERI'm just, but for the purposes of this question,

52:04SPEAKERlike all of that is kind of a replicator.

52:08SPEAKERSo I feel like the medical stuff is different enough.

52:11SPEAKERLike, have you seen enough to know, like, you know,

52:13SPEAKERthey'll pull out the little doohickey and just like,

52:17SPEAKERyou know, wave it over a massive gash in somebody's arm

52:19SPEAKERand it just heals and then, you know, instantly,

52:22SPEAKERlike they fix broken bones, they replace hearts,

52:26SPEAKERlike people live to the age of 150.

52:28SPEAKER- So you're thinking like just that Med Bay,

52:30SPEAKERthe TNG Med Bay bed with the little thing over it?

52:34SPEAKER- Yeah.

52:35SPEAKERLike they've cured every known disease, you know,

52:37SPEAKERlike it's tough to, I mean,

52:39SPEAKERit's tough to look at Star Trek and answer a question

52:40SPEAKERlike this because they've got it so damn good

52:43SPEAKERthat it's difficult to pick anything

52:45SPEAKERthat is not one of those things that just meets

52:47SPEAKERthe most basic needs for the most people.

52:49SPEAKERYou know what I mean?

52:50SPEAKER- The transporter seems like it would solve

52:52SPEAKERa lot of problems too, right?

52:53SPEAKER- Yeah, it would, but it feels a little more frivolous

52:55SPEAKERto me than the medical stuff.

52:57SPEAKER- Sonic showers seem convenient.

52:58SPEAKER- But, I don't know.

53:01SPEAKER- You just take a shower with your clothes on,

53:02SPEAKERclothes are clean, you're clean, it all works itself out.

53:04SPEAKER- I don't know.

53:05SPEAKER- But like the transporter, think about like the power,

53:08SPEAKERpowerful good you could do with the transporter.

53:10SPEAKERLike there's, you know,

53:11SPEAKERpeople are stranded in the wilderness.

53:12SPEAKERThey hit the, they, you know, text the number

53:15SPEAKERand the transporter beams them out

53:16SPEAKERand puts them someplace where they're safe.

53:17SPEAKER- Yeah, I mean, you know, like the carbon savings

53:19SPEAKERfor being able to ship worldwide and move people around

53:21SPEAKERwithout generating emissions, pretty good.

53:23SPEAKER- Well, but I mean, what's the energy cost?

53:25SPEAKERLike think of how many ground up ferns

53:26SPEAKERyou're gonna have to burn to fire off one transporter.

53:29SPEAKER- For the purposes of this experiment,

53:31SPEAKERall the energy is free.

53:32SPEAKER- Okay, 'cause I was gonna say the other answer

53:34SPEAKERis obviously like the engine core, right?

53:37SPEAKERLike the infinite energy.

53:39SPEAKER- Oh man, actually faster, like way, way, way, way faster

53:41SPEAKERthan light travel is also a tough one to give up actually.

53:44SPEAKER- I mean, that does open up the entire universe.

53:47SPEAKER- I didn't think about that.

53:48SPEAKER- I mean, but you did choose like, you know,

53:50SPEAKERhey, it's nice that Bob got a new heart, I guess.

53:52SPEAKER- Yeah, man, it's slick.

53:54SPEAKER- I mean, and then like we also,

53:56SPEAKERthere's the untapped potential of the holodeck.

54:01SPEAKERThink of how bad we could make the earth

54:02SPEAKERand if you gave everybody holodecks, they wouldn't even care.

54:05SPEAKER- The less said about the potential

54:06SPEAKERfor the holodeck use, the better.

54:08SPEAKER- Look, it has the squeegees in there, it's fine.

54:12SPEAKER- You don't need squeegees,

54:13SPEAKERyou just turn all of that material into more energy.

54:16SPEAKERWhatever is left behind in the holodeck just becomes energy.

54:19SPEAKER- Do you think?

54:20SPEAKER- It's like the, it is the future Starship version

54:23SPEAKERof being on the submarine and drinking your own pee

54:25SPEAKERbecause it went through water filtration.

54:27SPEAKERIt's, that hamburger you're eating

54:29SPEAKERby process of matter energy conversion

54:31SPEAKERmay have been something very different previously.

54:33SPEAKER- Well, you never see toilets in Star Trek.

54:35SPEAKERDo you think they just beam the poop out?

54:37SPEAKER- Oh God, that's, okay, no, it's, sorry, we should.

54:39SPEAKER- Hold on, hold on though, but I do have a real question.

54:42SPEAKERLike you never see anybody vacuuming

54:45SPEAKERthe halls of the Enterprise.

54:46SPEAKERDo you think like the people are still shedding dust,

54:49SPEAKERskin cells all the time, right?

54:50SPEAKER- Oh yeah. - Oh yeah.

54:51SPEAKER- Do you think they just beam the dust out of the carpet?

54:54SPEAKERDo you think there's a robot vacuum that comes by

54:56SPEAKERwhen the cameras aren't around?

54:57SPEAKERLike what's the process there?

54:58SPEAKER- Yeah, I'm sure they've got some automated solution

55:00SPEAKERfor that, right?

55:01SPEAKER- I don't know, man.

55:02SPEAKERYou don't really see a whole lot of robots in Star Trek.

55:03SPEAKER- No, you don't, that's true.

55:04SPEAKERI mean, like you said, the answer is always plot.

55:07SPEAKER- I guess plot.

55:08SPEAKER- Or plausible deniability or suspension of disbelief

55:11SPEAKERor whatever.

55:12SPEAKER- I want a Star Trek show about the person

55:14SPEAKERwho has to sweep up at the end of the day,

55:16SPEAKERlike just comes in and dusts off the bridge.

55:18SPEAKER- That's, we got into this

55:20SPEAKERon a Nexlander podcast recently,

55:21SPEAKERbut I mean, that's kind of quietly always

55:23SPEAKERone of the biggest holes in the entire Star Trek milieu.

55:26SPEAKER- Well, that's what Lower Decks is about.

55:27SPEAKER- Is like who would actually want to do the manual labor?

55:31SPEAKERWho would actually want to do menial labor in that society?

55:34SPEAKER- Well, like, so I love doing stuff like sorting,

55:37SPEAKERlike shop jobs, like sorting screws

55:39SPEAKERand doing stuff like that.

55:40SPEAKERLike that's easily, fairly easily automated,

55:42SPEAKERbut it's a really satisfying,

55:44SPEAKERit's really satisfying to just sit down

55:45SPEAKERand take a couple hours and like sort everything out

55:47SPEAKERand take your, take your dumping bucket

55:50SPEAKERand put it all in like the right places.

55:52SPEAKER- Yeah, I mean, but you were still deriving

55:53SPEAKERsome personal satisfaction from that.

55:55SPEAKERLike the classic example is there are some episodes

55:57SPEAKERhere and there where you will see waiters,

56:00SPEAKERpeople who wait tables and who would, who would choose to,

56:03SPEAKERI mean, there probably are some people.

56:04SPEAKER- Some people really like waiting tables.

56:06SPEAKER- Yeah, maybe.

56:06SPEAKER- I thought waiting tables,

56:07SPEAKERlike if waiting tables paid enough for me to do the bills,

56:09SPEAKERI liked waiting tables.

56:10SPEAKERIt was nice to get to meet people,

56:11SPEAKERyou get to chat with people.

56:13SPEAKERLike you make them happy,

56:14SPEAKERyou're providing a valuable service.

56:15SPEAKERLike that's, that's a, like I can see,

56:18SPEAKERI can see finding value in, in that.

56:22SPEAKER- I guess like, yeah, okay, fine.

56:24SPEAKERI don't know.

56:26SPEAKERAnd I can't, I can't settle on an answer.

56:29SPEAKER- You know, I think, I think it's gotta be,

56:30SPEAKERit's gotta be the teleporter for me, the transporter.

56:32SPEAKER- Transporter, I don't mind, man.

56:34SPEAKERI think I might, I might take warp drive over transporter.

56:37SPEAKER- Look, I'm looking at a 10 hour drive this weekend.

56:39SPEAKERI'm, I'm, I'm happy.

56:40SPEAKERI would love to have it.

56:41SPEAKERIf I could just be like, yeah, here we go.

56:42SPEAKERBoom, take me and be there, I would be all over that.

56:46SPEAKER'Cause I hated taking long car drives when I was a kid.

56:48SPEAKER- Same, yeah, you might, you might be onto something.

56:50SPEAKERMaybe I'll change my answer.

56:51SPEAKERAll right, last question.

56:54SPEAKER- Okay, sure.

56:55SPEAKER- Kind of a, kind of a similar related question,

56:58SPEAKERexcept in the other direction from Joe, Joe Tavano.

57:02SPEAKERWhat tech ideas were you really excited about 10 years ago

57:05SPEAKERthat never actually amounted to much?

57:07SPEAKERI've been listening to you guys for longer than that.

57:09SPEAKERSo it would be enjoyable to hear back in the day,

57:11SPEAKERI think Will used to eat eggs or something

57:13SPEAKERfor a similar topic, I forget.

57:15SPEAKER- No, Norm, Norm, when Norm made a prediction, it was bad.

57:19SPEAKERNorm, I feel like we had a bit on the early tested podcast

57:23SPEAKERwhere Norm was like, we gotta do, like,

57:26SPEAKERif you make a mistake on the podcast,

57:28SPEAKERyou gotta do something really terrible,

57:29SPEAKERlike eat a hard-boiled egg.

57:29SPEAKERI was like, secretly, I was thinking,

57:31SPEAKERman, I fucking love hard-boiled eggs.

57:32SPEAKER- That's not the worst thing.

57:33SPEAKERI mean, it's not nearly my favorite egg preparation,

57:35SPEAKERbut I don't mind it.

57:36SPEAKER- I'll eat a hard-boiled,

57:37SPEAKERlike a hard-boiled egg's a great snack though.

57:39SPEAKER- You eat 'em plain?

57:40SPEAKER- A little bit of salt and pepper.

57:41SPEAKER- Salt and pepper.

57:42SPEAKER- Yeah.

57:43SPEAKER- I like put some hot sauce on there.

57:45SPEAKER- Look, there's never been an egg that wasn't improved

57:47SPEAKERwith a little bit of hot sauce.

57:48SPEAKER- True.

57:50SPEAKER- I was really excited about WebOS back in the day.

57:53SPEAKER- Okay, is that in the timeframe?

57:55SPEAKERLet's establish your-

57:56SPEAKER- That was like 2010, 2011.

57:57SPEAKER- Okay, yeah, it was about, yeah.

57:59SPEAKER- We talked about it in the basement.

58:00SPEAKERLike, we're talking about basement stuff.

58:02SPEAKER- Like the last, fuck, man, last,

58:04SPEAKERI mean, I guess everybody does this, but I define,

58:07SPEAKERlike my memory is segmented by what office I was working in

58:09SPEAKERat a given time.

58:10SPEAKER- It's place and time are synonymous in people's heads, yeah.

58:14SPEAKER- 235 Second Street, and then Sausalito Basement,

58:17SPEAKERand then the Front Street Basement, the nicer basements.

58:20SPEAKER- Uh-huh, the good basement.

58:21SPEAKER- And then back to 235 Second Street,

58:22SPEAKERagain, third floor, then first floor, anyway.

58:26SPEAKERWebOS-

58:27SPEAKER- The problem with 235 Front is that all the floors

58:28SPEAKERkind of looked the same.

58:29SPEAKER- Wait, folks, front.

58:32SPEAKEROh, no, you mean second.

58:33SPEAKER- Oh, sorry, it's Second Street.

58:33SPEAKERYeah, yeah, yeah.

58:34SPEAKER- Yes, it is an office-ass office building.

58:37SPEAKER- Yeah.

58:38SPEAKERWebOS started at HP, is that right?

58:41SPEAKER- WebOS started at Palm.

58:43SPEAKER- Oh, right.

58:44SPEAKER- And HP bought it when Palm collapsed.

58:45SPEAKER- Okay.

58:46SPEAKER- Or got sold, got split up, whatever.

58:49SPEAKER- So like WebOS is weird, like I had a touch pad.

58:51SPEAKERDo you remember those HPs?

58:52SPEAKER- Yeah, exactly.

58:53SPEAKER- Like short-lived iPad competitor that ran WebOS?

58:56SPEAKER- Yeah.

58:57SPEAKER- Like I got it, they made them,

58:58SPEAKERand then almost immediately put them on a fire sale,

59:00SPEAKERso I got it for like 50 bucks, it was my first tablet.

59:03SPEAKER- We had bought a review unit,

59:04SPEAKERand between the time we bought the review unit

59:07SPEAKERand posted the video, they canceled the, they unloaded it.

59:10SPEAKER- That's amazing.

59:11SPEAKERI thought like the tablet implementation

59:13SPEAKERof WebOS seemed cool.

59:15SPEAKER- It was fricking awesome, yeah.

59:16SPEAKER- And you see, I think to this day,

59:18SPEAKERthere are WebOS-powered TVs, is that LG?

59:21SPEAKER- LG owns WebOS now, yeah.

59:22SPEAKER- They bought it, okay.

59:23SPEAKER- They sell WebOS, all the LG OLEDs

59:26SPEAKERand all their TVs are WebOS-based.

59:28SPEAKER- And on top of that, like you just generally see people

59:30SPEAKERtalk kind of glowingly about it

59:31SPEAKERin a way that makes me think I was missing something,

59:33SPEAKERlike what was so much better about it?

59:35SPEAKER- Well, it had like multitasking and stuff like that

59:37SPEAKERin the time when iOS multitasking was really meager

59:40SPEAKERto non-existent, if I remember right.

59:43SPEAKER- Sure.

59:47SPEAKER- It was very much the time it was there before the time,

59:54SPEAKERlike it was too early for the hardware,

59:55SPEAKERlike it was a little slow and chunky.

59:58SPEAKER- It was a bit clunky on that tablet, yes.

59:59SPEAKER- But like their hardware was fine

1:00:02SPEAKERand it was an interesting competitor to the iPad

1:00:04SPEAKERat a time when it seemed like tablets

1:00:06SPEAKERwere maybe gonna be a thing.

1:00:07SPEAKERLike if we wanna be honest about this,

1:00:10SPEAKERI bought a new tablet for my kid a couple of years ago,

1:00:13SPEAKERbut I haven't even considered buying a tablet for me

1:00:15SPEAKERsince my iPad Air got old and slow.

1:00:18SPEAKER- Yeah, I'm sorry.

1:00:20SPEAKER- Yeah, no, I'm probably good.

1:00:23SPEAKER- Like what, you mean forever, like you're done with tablets?

1:00:25SPEAKER- I don't know if I need one.

1:00:26SPEAKER- Oh man, dude, I could not live without an iPad

1:00:29SPEAKERor equivalent nice tablet.

1:00:31SPEAKER- Do you use it as a laptop?

1:00:32SPEAKER- Every day, no, I use it purely,

1:00:35SPEAKERalmost purely as a consumption device.

1:00:37SPEAKER- But like reading and stuff like that,

1:00:39SPEAKERwatching video and stuff?

1:00:40SPEAKER- Not even video, that like maybe once a month

1:00:43SPEAKERI'll watch a YouTube video on there, maybe twice a month.

1:00:45SPEAKERIt's almost purely like news, Twitter forums,

1:00:48SPEAKERstuff like that.

1:00:49SPEAKER- See, I do all that on my phone.

1:00:50SPEAKER- That's, I mean, I want a bigger screen,

1:00:53SPEAKERlike that's as big as a phone can be,

1:00:56SPEAKERit's still not as big as it's still not a 10, 11 inch screen

1:00:59SPEAKERand the other thing is I always pony up, well, not always,

1:01:02SPEAKERI'm only on my first one, but I pony up for the iPad Pro

1:01:05SPEAKERbecause of the 120 Hertz screen.

1:01:07SPEAKER- Though that is actually a real benefit, yeah.

1:01:10SPEAKER- It's so goddamn nice, you can't get that on a phone.

1:01:14SPEAKERIt was expensive, it's a good $300 more

1:01:16SPEAKERthan similar random regular iPad,

1:01:18SPEAKERbut for something that I use for five or six years

1:01:21SPEAKERfor two or three hours a day sometimes,

1:01:24SPEAKERit was hard to turn down, I could not live without a tablet.

1:01:27SPEAKER- If I didn't have a laptop

1:01:29SPEAKERthat was like my portable computer solution,

1:01:31SPEAKERI might feel differently.

1:01:33SPEAKER'Cause like, but I've, for the last five years

1:01:35SPEAKERI've done work that required having like real 3D

1:01:38SPEAKERand like x86 compatibility on the go.

1:01:41SPEAKER- Yeah, it seems like it's just kind of a function

1:01:44SPEAKERof which specific devices a person has in that continuum

1:01:46SPEAKERfrom phone to big desktop, right?

1:01:49SPEAKER- Yeah, I think that's fair.

1:01:50SPEAKER- Like, do you have a laptop, do you have a tablet,

1:01:51SPEAKERis your phone big or is it a small like crappy old phone?

1:01:54SPEAKERYou know, it's like you're gonna kind of,

1:01:56SPEAKERthere's so much overlap in the use cases

1:01:57SPEAKERfor these different devices, right?

1:01:58SPEAKERThat people just kind of find their preferences

1:02:00SPEAKERand everything can work.

1:02:02SPEAKER- Yeah, I think that's, I mean, that's exactly it.

1:02:05SPEAKERLike if you think about my computing in 2010, 2011, 2012,

1:02:09SPEAKERI was using a MacBook at work,

1:02:11SPEAKERI had a big giant desktop at home,

1:02:13SPEAKERand then like I was carrying a tablet

1:02:15SPEAKERfor like laying in bed and reading,

1:02:16SPEAKERI wasn't really using Kindles and stuff like that.

1:02:20SPEAKERAnd it kind of made sense 'cause I would just,

1:02:22SPEAKERif I would go on a trip and I didn't need

1:02:24SPEAKERto do any kind of video editing or a podcast or anything,

1:02:26SPEAKERI'd just take the iPad and a keyboard and I was great.

1:02:28SPEAKERAnd that was really nice.

1:02:31SPEAKERI find that the tablets,

1:02:33SPEAKERespecially since they made the bezels thinner,

1:02:36SPEAKERare uncomfortable to hold for long periods of time

1:02:39SPEAKERwith one hand.

1:02:40SPEAKER- Interesting.

1:02:41SPEAKERSo I have always, so I've had two iPads.

1:02:43SPEAKERI had an iPad 4 and then a Pro from 2017.

1:02:48SPEAKERIt's like two hours old.

1:02:49SPEAKER- That's like the second generation Pro or something.

1:02:50SPEAKER- Yeah, it's like two or three Pros old now,

1:02:52SPEAKERbut I always use the, I always get the Apple stand

1:02:54SPEAKERbecause those can be turned into kind of a kickstand sort of.

1:02:58SPEAKERAlso, I am a habitual 100% landscape tablet user,

1:03:02SPEAKERwhich I think is maybe in the minority.

1:03:04SPEAKERWow, I mean, it's closer to a monitor that way.

1:03:07SPEAKER- It's my shocked face.

1:03:08SPEAKER- And it's easier to hold, like that's the whole thing.

1:03:10SPEAKERLike the kickstands that those smart covers turn into

1:03:14SPEAKERare oriented for landscape.

1:03:16SPEAKERAnd because it's not as top heavy,

1:03:17SPEAKERbecause it's not as tall, right?

1:03:19SPEAKERSo it's very easy to prop it up in your lap

1:03:21SPEAKERon that stand in landscape.

1:03:23SPEAKER- Yeah, that makes total sense.

1:03:25SPEAKERI can totally see that.

1:03:26SPEAKER- Yeah, I would lay in bed and hold it and like,

1:03:28SPEAKERdo one of those jobs where you hold up above your head

1:03:30SPEAKERand then you fall asleep and drop it on your face.

1:03:32SPEAKER- No, I have a little pillow when I lay in bed.

1:03:33SPEAKERI have a little pillow that I prop it up on in landscape.

1:03:36SPEAKER- Little iPad pillow?

1:03:37SPEAKER- Yeah, yes, I have a little iPad pillow.

1:03:40SPEAKER- Aww, Brad's little iPad pillow.

1:03:43SPEAKER- If you must know.

1:03:44SPEAKER- I want to see a picture of your iPad pillow

1:03:46SPEAKERfor the show art this week.

1:03:49SPEAKER(sighs)

1:03:51SPEAKER- I mean, I was gonna come up with an answer

1:03:52SPEAKERto this question from 10 years ago,

1:03:54SPEAKERbut maybe we should stop.

1:03:55SPEAKER- No, no, I wanna hear your answer.

1:03:56SPEAKERWhat was your answer?

1:04:00SPEAKER- I'm trying to think what else was going on at that time.

1:04:03SPEAKER- The Xbox 360 was all the rage.

1:04:04SPEAKER- I mean, that panned out pretty well.

1:04:08SPEAKERI mean, the question specifically is something

1:04:10SPEAKERthat seemed like a hot thing that never amounted to anything.

1:04:14SPEAKER- The problem is I don't remember really what was hot.

1:04:16SPEAKER- That's the thing.

1:04:17SPEAKERIt's hard to remember things that fizzled out, right?

1:04:18SPEAKERBecause they fizzled out.

1:04:20SPEAKER- Drones were starting to be a big deal then,

1:04:22SPEAKERbut that was kind of early for that.

1:04:23SPEAKERThat was a couple of years later, really.

1:04:24SPEAKER- 3D printing has turned out to be

1:04:26SPEAKERan enormous benefit for a lot of different industries.

1:04:29SPEAKER- But both of those things have

1:04:30SPEAKERvery legitimate applications now.

1:04:34SPEAKER- There was a lot of home robotics stuff around then.

1:04:37SPEAKERThat's when we saw the Sphero and those kind of like,

1:04:40SPEAKERhey, you're gonna have a robot assistant around your house.

1:04:41SPEAKERAnd home robotics is still kind of limited

1:04:43SPEAKERto vacuuming and cleaning.

1:04:46SPEAKER- We do have a cheap robot vacuum

1:04:47SPEAKERthat's not a rumor though.

1:04:48SPEAKERI mean, those became commodified in a nice way.

1:04:51SPEAKER- Yeah, that's true.

1:04:52SPEAKER- Jeez, I can't. - Does it do a good job?

1:04:54SPEAKER- It's fine.

1:04:55SPEAKERIt's definitely not, it is definitely not a replacement

1:04:58SPEAKERfor an upright handheld vacuum.

1:04:59SPEAKERI mean, you know, a hand operated vacuum,

1:05:01SPEAKERbut it's a nice supplement.

1:05:03SPEAKER- It's a nice, so you don't have to do it quite as often,

1:05:04SPEAKERmaybe. - Yes, yes.

1:05:05SPEAKERYou can maybe get away with vacuuming a little less

1:05:07SPEAKERor for me, it's more just, it keeps things cleaner, you know?

1:05:10SPEAKERLike I still like to vacuum once a week

1:05:12SPEAKER'cause I hate dusty, messy floors,

1:05:15SPEAKERbut it keeps those, it keeps floors

1:05:16SPEAKERin a much closer to ideal state from day to day.

1:05:20SPEAKER- Yeah, I feel like 2010, 2011 was a pretty good,

1:05:24SPEAKERlike that was when so much innovation

1:05:25SPEAKERwas happening in smartphone stuff

1:05:27SPEAKERthat like there wasn't a lot of stupid,

1:05:30SPEAKERor at least if there was,

1:05:31SPEAKERI wasn't paying attention to the stupid categories.

1:05:34SPEAKER- Like I think of that period, let's say 2007-ish.

1:05:38SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:05:39SPEAKER- To 2012-ish, like so much happened in that period.

1:05:44SPEAKERIt's like, maybe we should do an episode on that.

1:05:46SPEAKER- Those are the iPhone years, man.

1:05:47SPEAKER- Well, it was not only in hardware,

1:05:49SPEAKERbut also especially on the web, you know?

1:05:50SPEAKERLike that's when the web 2.0 stuff happened, you know?

1:05:52SPEAKERLike the, like Twitter launched 2007,

1:05:55SPEAKERGitHub launched in 2007 or eight,

1:05:57SPEAKERlike all those giant bedrock institutional

1:06:00SPEAKERweb 2.0 businesses now were launching in '07 to '09-ish.

1:06:05SPEAKER- That's when the real applications came, I think,

1:06:07SPEAKERis where is the, yeah.

1:06:08SPEAKER- Like the iPhone came out in '07,

1:06:10SPEAKERthe 3G, which I kind of think of

1:06:11SPEAKERas the actual first iPhone, came out in '08.

1:06:14SPEAKER- I think that's fair.

1:06:14SPEAKER- The iPad was 2010? - 2010, yeah.

1:06:18SPEAKER- So like--

1:06:19SPEAKER- The watch was like 2014, I think.

1:06:21SPEAKERI feel like the watch marks the end of that period.

1:06:24SPEAKER- Sure, yes.

1:06:25SPEAKERThe watch was definitely the first thing,

1:06:26SPEAKERat least on Apple's side, where I saw it come out

1:06:28SPEAKERand I was like, you guys are kind of

1:06:29SPEAKERstraining for ideas, aren't you?

1:06:31SPEAKERI mean, like the watch is cool,

1:06:32SPEAKERbut like, it's not, it is not a sea change

1:06:35SPEAKERthe way that the phone and the tablet were.

1:06:37SPEAKER- The problem with the watch fundamentally

1:06:39SPEAKERis that it's worse than a real watch in every way but one.

1:06:43SPEAKER- Sure, that is a problem, yeah.

1:06:48SPEAKER- Yeah, so I, like, I don't--

1:06:50SPEAKER- Yeah, I don't have a good answer for this question,

1:06:52SPEAKERbut I do think that that period of time

1:06:54SPEAKERwas a time of, like, very rapid progress

1:06:56SPEAKERon a lot of this stuff, right?

1:06:58SPEAKER- Yeah, it was, it was, it was really a fun time

1:07:01SPEAKERto cover technology, and then when that ended,

1:07:03SPEAKERit became a much less fun time to cover technology.

1:07:07SPEAKERWhich is kind of what happens in tech space, actually.

1:07:09SPEAKER- Yeah, I mean, all that stuff is cyclical, right?

1:07:10SPEAKERLike, there was the late '90s into 2000-ish,

1:07:14SPEAKERthere was the dot-com boom,

1:07:14SPEAKERthere was the first big internet wave,

1:07:16SPEAKERthings went bad for five, six years,

1:07:18SPEAKERand then this period that we're talking about happened,

1:07:20SPEAKERand now things have stagnated again.

1:07:22SPEAKER- Are you familiar with the idea

1:07:23SPEAKERof the Gartner hype cycle, Brad?

1:07:25SPEAKER- No.

1:07:26SPEAKER- So the Gartner hype, Gartner is an analyst group,

1:07:28SPEAKERand they have this thing called the hype cycle,

1:07:30SPEAKERand the basic idea is that there's a life cycle

1:07:33SPEAKERto every new technology that involves, like,

1:07:35SPEAKERan early spike before the product comes out.

1:07:38SPEAKERLike, from the time of announcement,

1:07:39SPEAKERfrom the time you become aware of it,

1:07:41SPEAKERit starts at zero, and then it goes up to a huge spike

1:07:45SPEAKERprior to actual availability,

1:07:46SPEAKERand then around the time of availability,

1:07:48SPEAKERit comes out and then immediately drops down a cliff,

1:07:52SPEAKERbecause once people get, once the new thing comes out,

1:07:54SPEAKERit cannot possibly live up to the expectation

1:07:57SPEAKERthat has lived inside the potential audience's mind.

1:08:01SPEAKER- Of course not, and the corollary to that

1:08:03SPEAKERis that wanting is always better than having, right?

1:08:06SPEAKER- I, man, that's a grim thought, but, okay, yes,

1:08:08SPEAKERI think you're probably correct.

1:08:10SPEAKER- I thought that was just accepted.

1:08:12SPEAKER- Well, so-

1:08:13SPEAKER- It's always more exciting to desire something

1:08:16SPEAKERthan once you have it, it's old news, right?

1:08:19SPEAKER- You, probably, yeah.

1:08:21SPEAKERBut anyway, so the idea is you have the innovation,

1:08:25SPEAKERyou have the peak of inflated expectations,

1:08:26SPEAKERyou have the trough of disillusionment.

1:08:28SPEAKERThese all have names.

1:08:29SPEAKER- Okay.

1:08:30SPEAKER- Trough of disillusionment, very, very good.

1:08:32SPEAKER- Trough of disillusionment would be an episode title

1:08:34SPEAKERin an episode where we hadn't uttered the phrase,

1:08:36SPEAKER"My Little iPad Pillow."

1:08:38SPEAKER- Yes.

1:08:40SPEAKERSo every year they map, and then after that,

1:08:43SPEAKERthere's the slope of enlightenment,

1:08:44SPEAKERso that's the time period when the technology

1:08:46SPEAKERis widely available and people are actually figuring out

1:08:49SPEAKERhow to apply it, right?

1:08:51SPEAKERSo that time period, and then the plateau of productivity

1:08:55SPEAKERis once it just becomes a part of the background world.

1:08:58SPEAKERIt's a dopey business thing, but-

1:09:00SPEAKER- Very grandiose names.

1:09:01SPEAKER- Well, everything maps to it though,

1:09:03SPEAKERand it literally happens every single time.

1:09:07SPEAKERLike VR in 2011, huge, huge, huge amount of hype.

1:09:13SPEAKERPeople were so excited.

1:09:15SPEAKERWe were approaching the peak of inflated expectations,

1:09:18SPEAKERand then it came out and there were like 10 games,

1:09:20SPEAKERand people were like, "Oh, this is pretty cool."

1:09:22SPEAKERStraight to the trough, right?

1:09:23SPEAKER- This is cool.

1:09:24SPEAKERIt's kind of a hassle.

1:09:25SPEAKERI tripped over the wires.

1:09:26SPEAKER- Yeah, it didn't work 'cause there's a glass window

1:09:28SPEAKERbehind my PlayStation.

1:09:29SPEAKERFuck this, yeah.

1:09:31SPEAKERSlope of enlightenment comes up,

1:09:32SPEAKERand that's kind of where we are now, right?

1:09:34SPEAKERIt's just a steady churn of new products and games

1:09:37SPEAKERand stuff like that coming out for it.

1:09:38SPEAKER- So you're saying at the top of the slope of enlightenment

1:09:41SPEAKERlies the metaverse, is that what you're saying?

1:09:43SPEAKER- No, that's the metaverse is in the innovation trigger

1:09:46SPEAKERto peak of inflated expectations phase

1:09:48SPEAKERof the Gartner hype cycle right now.

1:09:50SPEAKER- I see.

1:09:51SPEAKER- Yeah, and some things move through this process

1:09:54SPEAKERfaster than others, so.

1:09:56SPEAKERLike they've had quantum machine learning on this thing

1:09:58SPEAKERfor years now, and it's always in the innovation trigger

1:10:02SPEAKERlike prior to the peak of inflated expectations area.

1:10:06SPEAKER- Cubits are poorly behaved.

1:10:09SPEAKER- Cubits are impossible to control.

1:10:10SPEAKER- They just, they really have minds with their own.

1:10:12SPEAKER- You can measure them.

1:10:14SPEAKER- You never know what they're doing.

1:10:15SPEAKER- Yeah, nope, that's exactly it.

1:10:17SPEAKEROh, quantum physics jokes, here you are.

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1:11:29SPEAKER- Oh, I shouldn't get into this 'cause this podcast

1:11:31SPEAKERis going long and it's dinner time,

1:11:33SPEAKERbut there was a little conversation

1:11:36SPEAKERin the Linux channel today about curl-based utilities,

1:11:39SPEAKERcurl tools.

1:11:40SPEAKER- What does curl stand for, Brad?

1:11:42SPEAKER- Curl is the name of a command line,

1:11:44SPEAKERa very widespread command line, C-U-R-L.

1:11:47SPEAKER- It stands for something though, doesn't it?

1:11:49SPEAKER- Does it stand for something?

1:11:50SPEAKERIt's not, it better not be a recursive acronym.