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88: It Just Makes the Lithium Angrier

2021-05-23 · 1:25:28

00:00SPEAKER- Do you look at that video I sent you last night?

00:02SPEAKER- No, no, I didn't.

00:03SPEAKER- Did you know, Brad, that researchers have trained people

00:06SPEAKERto use a robotic extra thumb?

00:08SPEAKERWhere would you put an extra thumb?

00:10SPEAKER- Well, I just looked at this picture.

00:12SPEAKER- Yeah.

00:13SPEAKER- And in between fits of revulsion.

00:17SPEAKER- Yeah.

00:17SPEAKER- I guess I have to say that where they put it

00:19SPEAKERis seems pretty sensible.

00:22SPEAKER- I mean, it would be cool to have two thumbs.

00:24SPEAKER- It's opposed to the other thumb.

00:26SPEAKER- Yeah.

00:26SPEAKER- It is literally, I mean, you know,

00:28SPEAKERpeople talk like humans evolved an opposable thumb,

00:30SPEAKERbut they didn't evolve two opposable thumbs

00:32SPEAKERthat oppose each other,

00:33SPEAKERwhich is exactly what this mechanical thumb is doing.

00:36SPEAKER- I wonder if you can like pinky and ring finger

00:39SPEAKERand hit the two thumbs.

00:40SPEAKERSo you can pick up two things at once.

00:42SPEAKER- This looks bad.

00:43SPEAKER- I think it looks cool.

00:45SPEAKER- There's a grotesque symmetry to this hand.

00:47SPEAKERLike literally, I mean, people will put this in the show.

00:49SPEAKERNow it's like the mechanical foam is literally extending

00:52SPEAKERout of the other side of the hand opposite the thumb

00:55SPEAKERso that there are thumbs on both sides of the hand.

00:57SPEAKERLike it is a symmetrical hand that should not exist.

01:00SPEAKER- It's thumb, pointy finger, rude finger, ring finger,

01:04SPEAKERpinky, robot thumb.

01:06SPEAKER- Yes.

01:08SPEAKER- I'm into it.

01:09SPEAKER- I don't know if I should click play or not here.

01:11SPEAKER- You should click play.

01:12SPEAKERIt's way worse when you watch the video.

01:13SPEAKER- Oh, it's very floppy.

01:15SPEAKER- Look, it's a cheap robot.

01:16SPEAKER- Look at that thing flop around.

01:18SPEAKER- Yeah, look at the woman.

01:19SPEAKERIf you got to the part where the woman grabs this stuff.

01:21SPEAKER- It's a 3D printed thumb.

01:23SPEAKER- Yeah, if you had a 3D printer,

01:24SPEAKERyou could have an extra thumb too.

01:26SPEAKER- What is it being controlled with?

01:27SPEAKERI sound is off, what are they controlling it with?

01:29SPEAKER- Wait, you're not serious.

01:30SPEAKER- I'm serious.

01:31SPEAKERThat thing on her wrist is checking nerve impulses

01:34SPEAKERat her hand so she wants to use it using, yeah.

01:38SPEAKER- Wait, I'm sorry.

01:39SPEAKERDoes the fake thumb literally mirror the real phone?

01:42SPEAKER- No, you can control the fake thumb independently.

01:45SPEAKER- This is horrific.

01:47SPEAKER- It's super cool.

01:48SPEAKER- I can't look at this anymore.

01:49SPEAKER- Watch the block.

01:50SPEAKERHave you gotten to the blocks where she picks up the blocks

01:52SPEAKERwith her fake thumb and the real finger?

01:54SPEAKER- Dude, this guy is playing a guitar with six fingers.

01:58SPEAKER- Uh-huh, this woman's playing Jenga, two things at a time.

02:01SPEAKER- This should not, this is not the kind of transhumanism

02:05SPEAKERthat I signed up for.

02:06SPEAKER- I would have, look, what if, hold on.

02:09SPEAKERHow many thumbs is too many thumbs?

02:11SPEAKERThat's the real question.

02:12SPEAKER- These are questions that humans were not meant to answer.

02:15SPEAKER- What if you could have like 10 thumbs?

02:17SPEAKER- We have to stop this right now.

02:19SPEAKER- Thumbs, thumbs, everywhere there's thumbs.

02:23SPEAKER- I want an extra thumb.

02:25SPEAKER(upbeat music)

02:54SPEAKER- Welcome to "Brad and Will Made a Tech Pod."

02:56SPEAKERI'm Will.

02:57SPEAKER- I'm Brad, what's up, Will?

02:58SPEAKER- Oh, not much, man, what about you?

02:59SPEAKERHey, I noticed you got a new chair.

03:01SPEAKER- I did get a new chair.

03:02SPEAKERWe were supposed to talk about my new chair

03:04SPEAKERfor the cold open and then you whipped out

03:05SPEAKERthis god-awful mechanical.

03:07SPEAKER- Look, right now I'm looking at the picture behind you

03:10SPEAKERof the old chair.

03:11SPEAKER- Oh no.

03:12SPEAKER- And it looks so sad.

03:13SPEAKER- Why did you bring that up?

03:15SPEAKER- Well, you're the one who stuck the freeze sign on it.

03:18SPEAKERIt's in your house still, man.

03:19SPEAKERHave some dignity.

03:20SPEAKER- Look, I haven't quite committed

03:22SPEAKERto putting it on the sidewalk yet.

03:24SPEAKER- You're still attached.

03:25SPEAKER- I put the freeze sign on it to open the door,

03:28SPEAKERthe metaphorical door, not my literal front door,

03:30SPEAKERalthough that will happen later.

03:31SPEAKER- That's phase one of letting things go?

03:34SPEAKER- I have started mentally psyching myself up

03:36SPEAKERto get rid of this chair that I've had

03:37SPEAKERsince I moved to San Francisco in 2003.

03:40SPEAKER- Okay, so I have an alternative

03:42SPEAKERto the freeze sign on the curb.

03:45SPEAKER- Okay.

03:46SPEAKER- Here's what I'm suggesting.

03:47SPEAKER- Go on.

03:48SPEAKER- Look, you are newly unemployed,

03:51SPEAKERso there's nothing holding you back

03:54SPEAKERfrom making some spectacularly bad decisions,

03:56SPEAKERis what I'm saying.

03:57SPEAKER- Oh, okay.

03:58SPEAKER- You have some roller blade casters on that bad boy,

04:02SPEAKERas I understand?

04:03SPEAKER- No, I took those off.

04:04SPEAKER- Oh.

04:05SPEAKER- Those are on the good chair now.

04:05SPEAKER- Okay, phase one, take the roller blade casters

04:07SPEAKERback off the good chair and put them on the old chair.

04:09SPEAKERPhase two, go to a very tall hill in San Francisco.

04:13SPEAKERPhase three, maybe borrow a helmet from someone.

04:18SPEAKERMaybe it's optional.

04:19SPEAKER- Okay.

04:20SPEAKER- Phase four, science.

04:24SPEAKER- I've been thinking about the classic question

04:26SPEAKERabout snowboarding in San Francisco,

04:28SPEAKERthe what if it snowed?

04:29SPEAKER- Yeah, it would be awesome.

04:30SPEAKER- I've been thinking about that for way too long

04:33SPEAKERto possibly entertain this idea.

04:35SPEAKERI'm not riding a chair down.

04:36SPEAKERI'm not taking this chair to Lombard Street, okay.

04:39SPEAKER- I have a new phase one.

04:40SPEAKERNew phase one is get disability insurance.

04:42SPEAKERNew phase two, roller blade wheels.

04:45SPEAKERNew phase three, helmet, question mark.

04:47SPEAKERNew phase four, excitement adventure, really wild stuff.

04:51SPEAKER- Okay, I don't do anything without a net.

04:53SPEAKER- Yeah, no, you gotta have that safety net.

04:54SPEAKER- Physical or insurance, at least.

04:57SPEAKERThis chair will probably go out tomorrow.

04:59SPEAKERI'm just gonna say that now.

05:00SPEAKERIf I say it on this podcast.

05:01SPEAKER- Oh boy.

05:02SPEAKER- This podcast will be up tomorrow morning

05:04SPEAKERand then I have no choice but to put the chair out.

05:06SPEAKER- People will ask, they'll be like,

05:07SPEAKER"Hey, where's your chair, Brad?"

05:08SPEAKER- Yes, people on the Discord are absolutely going to ask

05:10SPEAKERif I put this chair on this side.

05:10SPEAKER- Where are your chairs?

05:12SPEAKER- Also, just to be clear, every piece of furniture

05:14SPEAKERI've ever put on the sidewalk has disappeared in 20 minutes

05:16SPEAKERjust so people don't think I am dumping literal junk

05:19SPEAKERout on the sidewalk.

05:20SPEAKER- The San Francisco chair gremlins come fast, man.

05:24SPEAKER- This is a long standing San Francisco tradition

05:26SPEAKERto put your old furniture on the sidewalk

05:28SPEAKERbecause it goes immediately.

05:29SPEAKER- I got a little nook, like a shelf nook,

05:34SPEAKERlike a two shelf nook off the sidewalk.

05:36SPEAKEROne time it was great.

05:37SPEAKERI used it for a really long time.

05:39SPEAKER- Do you have to clean it up?

05:40SPEAKERSome of that stuff out there seems like it needs

05:43SPEAKERa good hosing down occasionally.

05:44SPEAKER- Use the bleach, dude.

05:46SPEAKER- Like the one thing you would not want to pick up

05:48SPEAKERoff the sidewalk here is a mattress, which you do see.

05:51SPEAKER- Oh God.

05:52SPEAKER- From time to time.

05:52SPEAKER- Do you think people really get those?

05:54SPEAKER- Somebody probably does.

05:55SPEAKERSomebody could use just about everything, you know?

05:58SPEAKER- Well, you know, we needed a new mattress

05:59SPEAKERfor the orgy room, so.

06:01SPEAKER- This chair has, I've gotten the good out of it,

06:04SPEAKERthey would say, back home, but I think somebody

06:06SPEAKERcould still get some more use out of it, so out it goes.

06:09SPEAKER- Put those roller blade wheels back on there

06:10SPEAKERand have an adventure.

06:11SPEAKER- Yeah, yes.

06:12SPEAKER- But search the disability insurance, probably.

06:15SPEAKER- What are we talking about today, Brad?

06:17SPEAKER- Your new car?

06:18SPEAKER- Oh, I got an electric car.

06:19SPEAKER- I guess that was the jumping off point

06:21SPEAKERfor this episode, at least, is your new car.

06:23SPEAKER- This also originally started as a cold open

06:26SPEAKER'cause my car texts me, which is weird.

06:29SPEAKERI've never had a car that texts me before.

06:30SPEAKER- Wait, what do you mean?

06:32SPEAKERYou gave your car a phone already?

06:33SPEAKERMost people wait till their cars are like seven or eight

06:36SPEAKERbefore they get their first phone, but only a--

06:38SPEAKER- Third grade.

06:39SPEAKER- Only a flip phone, don't give your car a smartphone

06:41SPEAKERuntil they're old enough to handle it.

06:43SPEAKERWhy does your car text you?

06:45SPEAKER- Third grade is the year for phones for kids.

06:50SPEAKER- Is that the standard?

06:52SPEAKER- We made a contact with our daughter's friends

06:55SPEAKERwhen we entered kindergarten

06:57SPEAKERthat it was gonna be third grade, at least.

06:59SPEAKER- Wait, you talked to their parents?

07:00SPEAKERYou all decided communally?

07:02SPEAKER- We had, so we had, like before the first week of school,

07:05SPEAKERall the parents got together and they brought,

07:07SPEAKERwe brought the kids to a playground

07:08SPEAKERso they could hang out and meet each other

07:10SPEAKERso they would have friends on first day of kindergarten.

07:12SPEAKERAnd the parents were all standing around

07:14SPEAKERtalking to each other, and that was one of the,

07:15SPEAKERI was like, hey, how do we all feel about phones?

07:18SPEAKER- Is that the new talk?

07:19SPEAKERIs that the modern version of the talk?

07:21SPEAKERWhen do they get a phone?

07:22SPEAKER- Fucking many talks now, like, hey, this is why,

07:25SPEAKERyou know how I won't let you watch YouTube unsupervised?

07:28SPEAKERThis is why.

07:29SPEAKERThat's one of the talks.

07:31SPEAKERThere's the, so your favorite influencer

07:33SPEAKERturned out to be a white supremacist talk.

07:37SPEAKER- There's the no honey, vaccines are perfectly safe talk.

07:41SPEAKER- No, sweetheart, the person who made "Minecraft"

07:43SPEAKERand "Harry Potter" are both shitheels talk.

07:48SPEAKERI'm looking forward to this sex talk at this point,

07:50SPEAKERto be honest, like, I'll be like, yeah,

07:52SPEAKERlook, when people love each other, like that shit's easy.

07:54SPEAKERI feel like people, part of,

07:56SPEAKERlarge part of our problems our generation have

07:58SPEAKERis 'cause we didn't talk about shit like sex.

08:00SPEAKER- That's true, that's true.

08:01SPEAKERGod bless today's children.

08:02SPEAKERThat's quite a bit more complicated than we had.

08:05SPEAKER- Yeah, but no, so Gina and I got a Bolt a month ago now.

08:11SPEAKERA month and change ago, 'cause we wanted a new car

08:15SPEAKERand we didn't want to buy gas cars anymore.

08:17SPEAKER- Hang on, I'm gonna guess who makes the Bolt.

08:19SPEAKERDon't tell me.

08:19SPEAKER- Who makes the Bolt?

08:21SPEAKER- My first guess was Nissan, but I don't think that's right.

08:23SPEAKER- Nope.

08:24SPEAKERThey go with environmentally friendly sounding names

08:27SPEAKERlike Leaf or Nexterra.

08:28SPEAKER- Oh, do they still like the Leaf?

08:29SPEAKERWe'll talk about the Leaf here in a little bit.

08:30SPEAKER- We will.

08:32SPEAKER- It's not a Honda.

08:33SPEAKER- Nope.

08:34SPEAKER- Is it cheating to ask the country?

08:38SPEAKER- All cars are made in all countries now, Brad.

08:40SPEAKER- Oh, I mean the country of origin of the parent company.

08:42SPEAKER- America.

08:43SPEAKER- Oh, well that narrows it down quite a bit.

08:46SPEAKER- Yep.

08:47SPEAKER- Okay, Ford Bolt, Chevy Bolt.

08:48SPEAKER- Chevy Bolt.

08:49SPEAKER- Chevy Bolt, there you go.

08:50SPEAKER- Got it.

08:51SPEAKER- Got it in four. - Nailed it in six.

08:52SPEAKER- Got it in four.

08:54SPEAKER- Yeah, so we got a Bolt and we'll talk about

08:57SPEAKERwhy we chose a Bolt in a minute, I guess.

09:00SPEAKERBut before we started this, you said,

09:03SPEAKER"Hey, can we talk about how gas cars work a little bit?"

09:06SPEAKER- Yeah, yes, I have a vague notion of engine to drive train

09:13SPEAKERto axle to wheels, but that's about it.

09:16SPEAKERAlso, before we get into it,

09:18SPEAKERI did look back in the annals of this podcast,

09:20SPEAKERwhich now are quite long.

09:21SPEAKER- Yeah.

09:22SPEAKER- We did do a self-driving car episode.

09:24SPEAKER- Early.

09:25SPEAKER- Long about episode 10 or so,

09:27SPEAKERso apologies if we repeat anything here.

09:29SPEAKER- I mean, it's funny, like I equate electric cars

09:32SPEAKERand self-driving cars in my head,

09:34SPEAKERI think mostly because of Tesla

09:35SPEAKERand their insistence on calling

09:37SPEAKERtheir driver assistance package autopilot,

09:39SPEAKERwhich it kind of is in the literal sense,

09:42SPEAKERbut it's not in the figurative sense

09:44SPEAKERthat everybody thinks autopilot means.

09:46SPEAKER- Yeah.

09:47SPEAKER- We don't need to get back onto that, but yeah.

09:51SPEAKERSo we're gonna talk about,

09:53SPEAKERwe're gonna try to do an overview of electric cars here,

09:55SPEAKERlike some experiences that I've had with hands-on time,

09:59SPEAKERlike the good and the bad of the electric car,

10:02SPEAKERhow it compares to gas cars, probably a brief interlude

10:06SPEAKERabout thermodynamics.

10:08SPEAKER- Always fun.

10:09SPEAKER- Efficiency, always good.

10:10SPEAKER- You know, some light weekend listening, thermodynamics.

10:12SPEAKER- And then, yeah, something to listen to

10:14SPEAKERwhile you're mowing your lawn

10:14SPEAKERwith your gas combustion two-stroke engine.

10:17SPEAKER- Oh, do they have electric lawn mowers yet?

10:19SPEAKER- I have an electric lawn mower.

10:20SPEAKER- Oh, wow.

10:21SPEAKER- It's the best thing.

10:22SPEAKER- I bet.

10:23SPEAKER- Like, it's not as loud.

10:25SPEAKERI do have to deal with the corks.

10:26SPEAKERI didn't spring for the battery powered one, but it rips.

10:30SPEAKERIt's so good compared to the gas lawn mower

10:32SPEAKERor the, I mean, I had a manual push lawn mower

10:34SPEAKER'cause we have a baby lawn,

10:35SPEAKERbut the gas one's, the electric one's strong.

10:38SPEAKERAnyway, but let's start at the beginning.

10:40SPEAKER- Okay.

10:41SPEAKER- With like the, again, the thing that was invented

10:43SPEAKERin the late 1800s by probably some German guy.

10:47SPEAKERI don't know.

10:48SPEAKERI was like, okay, I didn't look at this part of the thing.

10:50SPEAKER- Hans motor car created the first combustion engine in 1870.

10:55SPEAKER- It was Mercedes gas combustion was his name.

10:59SPEAKER- Okay, so the engine in a normal gas powered,

11:02SPEAKERICE, we'll call it, an internal combustion engine.

11:05SPEAKER- Oh, is that a common acronym I've ever heard?

11:07SPEAKER- That is a common acronym in the scene, in the EV scene.

11:11SPEAKER- Okay.

11:11SPEAKER- So ICE is the traditional acronym.

11:15SPEAKER- Do they say it with a sneer?

11:16SPEAKERLike as soon as you put that in context,

11:19SPEAKERI started thinking about who would say that

11:21SPEAKERand how they would say it.

11:22SPEAKER- Every time I drive by a gas station now, Brad,

11:25SPEAKERI look at it and I point out to the child and I'm like,

11:27SPEAKERlook, that's the thing we used to have to go to.

11:30SPEAKERWe still have a gas car in the driveway too,

11:31SPEAKERso it's not like we don't go there ever anymore.

11:33SPEAKER- Check out those filthy icers.

11:35SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah, exactly.

11:37SPEAKERSo, okay, normal car, it takes gas,

11:40SPEAKERit pumps the gas into the engine with a fuel,

11:43SPEAKERthe fuel pump moves the gas to the engine.

11:45SPEAKERThere's these things called injectors

11:47SPEAKERthat sit on top of, step back, a normal,

11:52SPEAKERthere's a bunch of different kinds of engines in the world.

11:54SPEAKERThere's Winkle rotaries, there's, I'm gonna,

11:55SPEAKERwe'll link a YouTube, this Lego video in the show notes

11:59SPEAKERthat makes Lego demos of a bunch

12:02SPEAKERof different styles of engine.

12:04SPEAKERBut the most common thing that you see in like,

12:07SPEAKERmost cars that you would see on the road

12:09SPEAKERuse either a four cylinder, a six cylinder,

12:12SPEAKERan eight cylinder engine,

12:13SPEAKERand those come in different configurations.

12:15SPEAKERSometimes they're all, the cylinders are in a line,

12:17SPEAKERsometimes they're in a V space,

12:20SPEAKERand those are basically just like space saving measures.

12:22SPEAKERThere's some, they have an impact on like torque

12:25SPEAKERand stuff that's generated,

12:26SPEAKERbut we don't have to worry about that

12:27SPEAKERfor the purposes of this conversation.

12:29SPEAKER- Is that why you'll hear about a V8?

12:31SPEAKERAre those V-shaped ones?

12:32SPEAKER- Yeah, all a V8 means is that the pistons are in,

12:35SPEAKERare on the two lines of a V

12:37SPEAKERversus being straight up and down in the car.

12:39SPEAKERSo like a lot of times in the '80s and '90s,

12:41SPEAKERyou would see front wheel drive cars with us inline six,

12:46SPEAKERor Jeep used to use inline sixes

12:48SPEAKERfor their four wheel drive cars.

12:49SPEAKERAnd they would, the motor would just be sideways

12:52SPEAKERso that the drive train is parallel

12:56SPEAKERwith the axle in some of those cars.

12:59SPEAKEROkay, so you have these pistons,

13:02SPEAKERthey're big cylinders with a piston inside,

13:04SPEAKERand the piston is just a smaller cylinder

13:06SPEAKERthat slides up and down with no space.

13:08SPEAKERThose are attached to levers on the bottom.

13:10SPEAKERAnd what happens is the fuel pump and the injectors

13:13SPEAKERsquirt a little bit of gas and a little bit of air

13:15SPEAKERin the right mixture and ratio into the top of that engine,

13:19SPEAKERand then mechanical forces push the piston up,

13:24SPEAKERa spark plug ignites the gas.

13:27SPEAKER- That's what a spark plug is for.

13:30SPEAKERI probably should have put that together at some point.

13:32SPEAKER- The gas explodes and the force of that explosion

13:35SPEAKERpushes the piston back down,

13:37SPEAKERand that transfers energy to the crankshaft.

13:40SPEAKER- I've always found it very amusing that the term explode

13:43SPEAKERis used to describe this action.

13:44SPEAKERI mean, I know that is literally

13:46SPEAKERin a technical sense what's happening.

13:47SPEAKERLike it's kind of the same way that like the,

13:49SPEAKERthe Saturn V is technically

13:51SPEAKERjust a controlled huge explosion, right?

13:53SPEAKERLike it's kind of the same principle, right?

13:54SPEAKERLike you were just harnessing the power

13:56SPEAKERof petrochemical explosions, right?

14:00SPEAKER- Yeah, you're like every time, so, okay.

14:04SPEAKEROn an internal combustion engine, like a four stroke,

14:07SPEAKERmost car engines are four stroke motors.

14:09SPEAKERSo that means there's four ups and downs of the piston

14:13SPEAKEReach cycle, and only one of those is the explosion.

14:16SPEAKERSo the other ones are pulling gas into the chamber,

14:19SPEAKERcompressing the chamber so that it's ready to explode,

14:22SPEAKERthe explosion, and then venting the bad gas

14:25SPEAKERback out of the chamber on the next stroke.

14:29SPEAKERSo the gas explodes, it pushes the cams up and down,

14:32SPEAKERpushes the cam down.

14:34SPEAKERAt the same time, the next cylinder is pushing up, right?

14:37SPEAKERSo the cylinders are running,

14:39SPEAKERthere's four ups and downs for each cylinder per cycle,

14:43SPEAKERand they all run cattywampus with each other

14:45SPEAKERso that at some point on each stroke,

14:48SPEAKERone of them is pushing down and the others are doing their...

14:50SPEAKEROne's pushing down, one's pushing up and venting,

14:53SPEAKERone's pushing down and sucking air in and gas in,

14:57SPEAKERand one's pushing up to compress the air and gas mixture.

15:02SPEAKERThat applies power to the drivetrain,

15:05SPEAKERthe crankshaft, the drivetrain goes into the transmission,

15:09SPEAKERthe crankshaft goes into the transmission,

15:11SPEAKERand then the transmission has a series of gears

15:13SPEAKERthat reduce, that turn a relatively small number of rotations

15:19SPEAKERinto faster or slower rotations,

15:21SPEAKERdepending on what you wanna do.

15:23SPEAKERIf you're a pickup truck,

15:24SPEAKERthen you might want a lot of torque to the back end

15:27SPEAKERso you can pull heavy loads,

15:28SPEAKERand that means that you'll do, you'll turn...

15:32SPEAKERIt's basically using gears and ratios to change spins

15:36SPEAKERinto power, yeah.

15:37SPEAKER- Much like with the spark plug, I'm sitting here going,

15:39SPEAKER"Oh, that's why they call it a gear shift."

15:42SPEAKER- Yeah, so if you have a manual transmission car,

15:44SPEAKERyou're literally pushing in the clutch

15:46SPEAKERand you move the stick around and that changes the gears,

15:49SPEAKERthat changes which set of gears are connected

15:51SPEAKERto which other set of gears

15:52SPEAKERin that big complicated transmission.

15:54SPEAKERThere's also a differential at the back end of the car

15:57SPEAKERthat changes, that can further reduce the gearing

16:02SPEAKERor increase it, I can't remember.

16:04SPEAKERBut the upshot is, gas explodes, pushes some levers,

16:09SPEAKERpushes some pistons down, those pistons turn a crank,

16:12SPEAKERthe crank goes into a transmission,

16:14SPEAKERthe transmission goes into a differential,

16:15SPEAKERand then the wheels turn on the pavement.

16:18SPEAKERAnd there's a bunch of other stuff too.

16:20SPEAKERLike there's brakes, there's cooling,

16:22SPEAKERthere's an alternator which hooks into this whole thing

16:26SPEAKERand there's all those belts in the front

16:29SPEAKERand those run things like the big fan

16:32SPEAKERthat cools off all the water, that cools the engine block.

16:34SPEAKERThere's those also hook into the alternator

16:37SPEAKERwhich generates electricity that the car uses

16:39SPEAKERto make the spark plugs work and recharge the battery

16:42SPEAKERand run the radio and the air conditioner

16:44SPEAKERand all the stuff that uses electricity in your car.

16:47SPEAKERThere's power steering and climate control

16:49SPEAKERand all that stuff too,

16:50SPEAKERwhich are all these separate systems

16:51SPEAKERthat all tie into the thing.

16:52SPEAKERBut, oh, and there's a flywheel

16:54SPEAKERwhich I think its whole purpose is to absorb vibrations

16:58SPEAKERso that it, I don't understand what a flywheel does,

17:01SPEAKERit's confusing.

17:02SPEAKERAnyway.

17:03SPEAKER- Fair.

17:04SPEAKERAlso, and also all very computerized,

17:07SPEAKERa lot of it runs on Linux these days.

17:09SPEAKERNot to go off on a tangent here,

17:11SPEAKERbut you hear about these carb plants being mothballed

17:15SPEAKERbecause they can't get enough computer chips

17:17SPEAKERto complete the cars that they're trying to make, right?

17:19SPEAKER- Well, and there's sensors at all different places

17:21SPEAKERalong the things that are off in solid state now.

17:23SPEAKERSo there will be sensors coming out of the exhaust

17:27SPEAKERthat look for hydrocarbons or high oxygen levels

17:30SPEAKERor high carbon monoxide levels or whatever.

17:32SPEAKERAnd from that, they can infer the state of the injectors

17:35SPEAKERand things like that.

17:36SPEAKERSo like, for example, the injectors are controlled

17:41SPEAKERby computers now.

17:42SPEAKERSo they know how much air is being sucked into the pistons.

17:45SPEAKERSo they know how much gas to squirt in there

17:47SPEAKERto get the optimal explosion for either fuel efficiency

17:50SPEAKERor power or whatever.

17:52SPEAKERThe diesel cars are a little bit different.

17:54SPEAKERThey don't have spark plugs.

17:55SPEAKERThe gas just ignites based on compression.

17:58SPEAKERSo it just works itself out.

18:00SPEAKERAnd then there's also-

18:01SPEAKER- Is diesel a more combustible fuel?

18:03SPEAKERIs that the difference?

18:03SPEAKER- Diesel has more energy, but is less likely to explode.

18:06SPEAKERIt requires pressure to explode is my understanding.

18:09SPEAKER- Okay.

18:11SPEAKERI'm sorry, let me jump in real fast last thing.

18:15SPEAKERJust because I've been living in the Linux world a lot

18:17SPEAKERlately and researching stuff.

18:19SPEAKER- You got to talk about SAE.

18:21SPEAKER- May it may, what is that?

18:23SPEAKER- They're one of the vendors that does a lot of that stuff.

18:25SPEAKERThey do standards for like computers and cars

18:27SPEAKERand all sorts of stuff in cars.

18:29SPEAKER- The only reason I bring that up is that so many cars

18:31SPEAKERare running Linux now that there is literally

18:33SPEAKERsomething called the Automotive Linux Summit

18:35SPEAKERthat just took place in Tokyo a couple months ago.

18:38SPEAKERThey literally have a trade show for Linux

18:40SPEAKERrunning on cars at this point.

18:41SPEAKERThat's how computerized all that stuff is.

18:43SPEAKER- That sounds awesome.

18:44SPEAKERI would love to go to that.

18:45SPEAKER- That's a weird confluence of things.

18:47SPEAKERBut anyway, sorry, we're more here to talk about

18:50SPEAKERmechanical stuff than computer stuff.

18:52SPEAKER- Yeah, well, I've learned some stuff that I didn't,

18:55SPEAKERhadn't really heard people talk about electric cars

18:57SPEAKERin the process of driving one for a month now.

19:02SPEAKER- I guess, so the things, the big takeaways here

19:06SPEAKERare that gas engines are not particularly,

19:10SPEAKERlike even after 120 years of active development

19:13SPEAKERand like 50 years of really trying hard

19:16SPEAKERto make them efficient, they're still mechanically,

19:18SPEAKERlike in a thermodynamic sense, not particularly efficient.

19:21SPEAKER- Yeah, you wrote the stat down in the notes here

19:24SPEAKERthat blew my mind.

19:24SPEAKERI'll let you say it.

19:25SPEAKERBut like the number on this for the efficiency,

19:28SPEAKERthe thermodynamic efficiency is like shockingly low.

19:31SPEAKER- Yeah, so, okay, well,

19:33SPEAKERfirst we should talk about what that is.

19:36SPEAKERAnd in this case, efficiency is,

19:41SPEAKERthis is complicated

19:42SPEAKER'cause it doesn't actually tell the whole story

19:43SPEAKERand we're not exactly comparing apples to apples

19:46SPEAKERwhen we're talking about gas to electric,

19:48SPEAKERbecause, you know, gas is a product that's refined

19:52SPEAKERfrom a natural resource.

19:54SPEAKERAnd as a result, it's not,

19:58SPEAKERlike it's pretty like turning oil from the ground

20:03SPEAKERinto gasoline that burns in a car

20:05SPEAKERis a relatively efficient process.

20:08SPEAKERAt the same time, electricity that you put into electric car

20:11SPEAKERis a tertiary or quaternary product of the electrical grid.

20:16SPEAKERSo that means, you know, the process for that

20:19SPEAKERis that somebody has to mine coal or natural,

20:21SPEAKERcollect natural gas or fuel oil.

20:24SPEAKERThey have to transmit that to a power plant.

20:26SPEAKERThe power plant burns it.

20:27SPEAKERThat's then converted and stepped up and down

20:30SPEAKERall over the way and transmitted through the electrical grid.

20:33SPEAKERAnd then it comes out at your house.

20:35SPEAKERAnd obviously there's in-betweens,

20:37SPEAKERlike there's, if you're someplace

20:39SPEAKERthat primarily does wind or hydro power,

20:41SPEAKERit's a different process.

20:42SPEAKERAnd how your power is generated

20:45SPEAKERaffects the efficiency of your electric car,

20:47SPEAKERwhich is like conceptually fascinating.

20:50SPEAKER- The point is there are, what would you say,

20:53SPEAKERlike second, third and fourth order externalities

20:56SPEAKERto driving electric car that people don't really think about.

21:00SPEAKERPeople fixate on the zero emission aspect

21:02SPEAKERand not so much on the, like,

21:03SPEAKERwhere's the power coming from

21:04SPEAKERand what are the environmental costs of that and et cetera.

21:07SPEAKER- Well, the zero emission aspect

21:08SPEAKERis really good in a local sense, right?

21:10SPEAKER- For sure, yeah.

21:11SPEAKER- 'Cause it means you're putting less air pollution

21:12SPEAKERin the place that you live,

21:13SPEAKERwhich seems nice as the person who lives where I live, right?

21:17SPEAKER- Sure.

21:18SPEAKER- But if your concern is,

21:20SPEAKERam I putting more carbon in the air

21:22SPEAKERthan I'm contributing to the global climate crisis,

21:26SPEAKERthen yeah, maybe an electric car

21:28SPEAKERis not gonna do you that much good

21:30SPEAKERif you live in, say, Australia,

21:31SPEAKERwhere they still generate a lot of power with coal.

21:35SPEAKEROkay, so efficiency.

21:37SPEAKERAnd again, this isn't super apples to apples

21:39SPEAKERbecause primary power, secondary power, tertiary power,

21:42SPEAKERwe're comparing across tiers.

21:45SPEAKERBut a really good gas car today

21:47SPEAKERturns about 20 to 35% of the energy

21:52SPEAKERstored in the gas as a chemical.

21:55SPEAKERWhen it explodes the gas,

21:56SPEAKERit turns about 20 to 35% of that energy

21:58SPEAKERinto propulsive motion.

22:00SPEAKER- Yes, that was the number that really jumped out at me.

22:02SPEAKERI mean, even after how many,

22:04SPEAKER100 and something years of making cars commercially,

22:07SPEAKERwe're still only getting like a quarter to a third

22:10SPEAKERof the energy efficiency.

22:11SPEAKER- That's really good for chemical to mechanical conversions

22:16SPEAKERfor what it's worth.

22:17SPEAKERLike a bulldozer is like 8% efficient.

22:19SPEAKER- Oh, wow.

22:20SPEAKER- Okay. - Yeah.

22:21SPEAKER- Okay, maybe I just lack the frame of reference here

22:22SPEAKERto realize that that's actually like not bad.

22:25SPEAKER- Yeah, it is.

22:27SPEAKERAnd two-stroke motors are, I think,

22:29SPEAKERI wanna say two-stroke motors are more efficient

22:31SPEAKERbut pollute way more

22:32SPEAKER'cause they don't as cleanly burn the gas.

22:35SPEAKERLike where a four-stroke motor

22:36SPEAKERhas a couple of extra strokes in there

22:38SPEAKERthat are for venting out the spent fuel

22:40SPEAKERand sucking in fresh clean fuel,

22:43SPEAKERa two-stroke motor just keeps squirting in more air

22:47SPEAKERand gas in with the garbage

22:49SPEAKERso that then the carbon dioxide and carbon monoxide

22:52SPEAKERin the exhaust end up reducing the efficiency of the burn.

22:55SPEAKER- So there's always a trade-off somewhere.

22:57SPEAKER- Yeah, two-stroke motors are often,

22:58SPEAKERthey're on old motorcycles and dirt bikes,

23:01SPEAKERbut also famously leaf blowers, weed eaters,

23:04SPEAKERgas-powered lawn mowers are often two-stroke motors,

23:07SPEAKERlike push mowers, not necessarily riding mowers.

23:11SPEAKERSo, okay, so with the gas,

23:15SPEAKERso 20 to 35% efficiency in terms of chemical energy

23:21SPEAKERto mechanical energy in a gas-powered ice engine car.

23:26SPEAKERThe extra energy is lost as exhaust in heat.

23:31SPEAKERIt's lost as heat of the motor block

23:34SPEAKERthat is then exhausted with the cooling system.

23:37SPEAKERIt's friction, it's all the other,

23:40SPEAKERlike running the air conditioner,

23:41SPEAKERall the other things that happen in a car.

23:46SPEAKERThe conversion of chemical energy stored in the battery

23:48SPEAKERto motive power is much, much more efficient

23:51SPEAKERin an electric car.

23:52SPEAKERIt's like around 90%,

23:53SPEAKERdepending on the batteries in the car

23:54SPEAKERand like the size of the car,

23:56SPEAKERthe weight of the car, the transmission.

23:57SPEAKERWell, there's no transmission in an electric car.

23:59SPEAKERWe'll get to that in a minute.

24:00SPEAKER- So like there again is another math problem, right?

24:02SPEAKEROf like, you know, generating the electricity

24:04SPEAKERmay not be entirely clean,

24:05SPEAKERbut you are getting much more out of that electricity

24:07SPEAKERin terms of motion than you would be from the gas.

24:09SPEAKERIt's sort of like, it's a very complicated comparison.

24:12SPEAKER- Well, and even if, like even if you're worst case,

24:15SPEAKERyour power from your grid is generated by coal plants, right?

24:19SPEAKERThey're still have like a coal power plant

24:23SPEAKERreleases a ton of carbon dioxide,

24:25SPEAKERbut they at least do scrub out the bad pollutants

24:28SPEAKERthat cause like acid rain and stuff like that,

24:30SPEAKERthat don't necessarily get pulled from a car exhaust.

24:33SPEAKERSo like you're at least not putting sulfur dioxide

24:37SPEAKERand you know, the nitrous, various nitruses

24:40SPEAKERout into the air and stuff like that.

24:44SPEAKER- Okay.

24:47SPEAKER- 90%.

24:48SPEAKER- The other thing that's interesting about the electric,

24:52SPEAKERusing electric versus using ice

24:54SPEAKERis that there are tertiary effects.

24:55SPEAKERSo because you charge your car at night, typically,

24:59SPEAKERso most typically what you do,

25:02SPEAKERif you're most power companies incentivize this,

25:04SPEAKERI guess that's the right way to say this.

25:06SPEAKERSo PG&E, our power company here in Northern California,

25:09SPEAKERif you sign up for a electric car plan with them

25:13SPEAKERand you say, okay, I'm only gonna,

25:15SPEAKERthen they will give you a dramatically reduced rate

25:18SPEAKERat nighttime when demand is lowest.

25:21SPEAKERAnd the reason they do that is because the power grid,

25:24SPEAKERwe've talked about this before,

25:25SPEAKERthe power grid is instantaneous use.

25:27SPEAKERSo when power is generated at say the Diablo Canyon

25:31SPEAKERnuclear power plant down South,

25:33SPEAKERthen that power is immediately consumed

25:35SPEAKERby somebody on the grid.

25:36SPEAKERThere's no storage mechanism for the most part

25:38SPEAKERin most grids around the world.

25:41SPEAKERThat's starting to change a little bit.

25:42SPEAKERLike we're seeing some storage mechanisms

25:44SPEAKERin terms of like large battery banks.

25:46SPEAKERWe're seeing some mechanical storage things

25:48SPEAKERwhere like people have two reservoirs

25:51SPEAKERand they'll pump water up to the top reservoir

25:53SPEAKERduring the nighttime and it'll come down during the daytime.

25:55SPEAKERAnd the reason it makes sense to do that is

25:58SPEAKERyou can't turn all the power plants on and off dynamically.

26:02SPEAKERSo for example, if the wind dies down

26:07SPEAKERand the wind generators slow down,

26:10SPEAKERyour nuclear power plants running,

26:11SPEAKERyou can't turn those on and off easily.

26:13SPEAKERThey have to spin up, say, a natural gas plant

26:17SPEAKERto cover the increased load.

26:19SPEAKERAt the same time, if it's really windy in Tehachapi

26:23SPEAKERon Tuesday evening at 1 a.m.,

26:26SPEAKERthey can't turn the nuclear power plants off

26:29SPEAKERto reduce the amount of energy that they're putting out,

26:32SPEAKERthe amount of power that they're putting out.

26:34SPEAKERSo the electric company has to balance that stuff constantly

26:38SPEAKERand often the way they do it is by turning on and off

26:40SPEAKERnatural gas powered plants constantly.

26:44SPEAKER- Which I assume, excuse me,

26:45SPEAKERare just the easiest to bring up and down quickly.

26:48SPEAKER- Those are the ones that you can bring up and down quickly.

26:50SPEAKERIt does add wear and tear.

26:52SPEAKERAnd as my understanding is that there are some,

26:55SPEAKERlike depending on how quickly they have to spin up and down,

26:59SPEAKERthere's costs associated with that

27:01SPEAKERin terms of like how much the power plant charges

27:03SPEAKERthe provider and stuff like that.

27:06SPEAKERThe other thing is that as we see more solar coming online,

27:09SPEAKERthe solar is, the spikes in usage for most places

27:15SPEAKERare like mid-afternoon.

27:16SPEAKERSo 3 p.m. to like 9 p.m., 10 p.m. at night

27:19SPEAKERwhen people start going to bed.

27:21SPEAKERAnd solar covers the first half of that,

27:23SPEAKERbut it misses that 6 p.m. to 9 p.m.

27:26SPEAKERas it's starting to go from dusk to nighttime.

27:29SPEAKERSo you set your car to not charge during those peak times

27:33SPEAKERbecause they give you a higher rate then

27:34SPEAKERand you get a lower rate from say midnight to 3 p.m.

27:37SPEAKERwhen people start turning on air conditioners.

27:39SPEAKERAnd as a result, I pay a fraction,

27:44SPEAKERmy rate at midnight is a third what it was

27:47SPEAKERbefore I had the electric car now.

27:50SPEAKERAnd that means that I fill up there

27:52SPEAKERand it saves PG&E money by having my car charged then

27:58SPEAKERbecause somebody is using the energy

28:01SPEAKERthat they need to get rid of

28:02SPEAKERor else they have to turn off the nuclear power plant

28:05SPEAKERwhich costs a lot of money.

28:06SPEAKER- And amazingly by PG&E standards,

28:08SPEAKERthey pass the savings along to you for once.

28:11SPEAKER- They used to pass the savings along a lot more.

28:13SPEAKERNow they said they pass it.

28:14SPEAKERThey've changed the EV car rate plan a couple of years ago.

28:17SPEAKERSo it used to be like fractions of a cent per kilowatt hour

28:21SPEAKERfor electric vehicles.

28:22SPEAKERAnd now it's like half the normal rate

28:24SPEAKERinstead of a 10th the normal rate.

28:26SPEAKER- All right.

28:27SPEAKER- But okay, so the upshot on all this for me as a customer

28:31SPEAKERis that I pay the equivalent of like 75 cents a gallon

28:36SPEAKERfor gas.

28:37SPEAKER- Okay, all right.

28:38SPEAKER- The amount of energy required to drive my car

28:41SPEAKER20 to 25 miles is like 70, 75 cents.

28:45SPEAKER- Wow, that's like right there at the magic number.

28:48SPEAKERI distinctly remember when I started driving,

28:50SPEAKERgas in our area was about 74 cents a gallon or something.

28:54SPEAKER- Wow, really?

28:55SPEAKER- Which has always been the ideal in my mind of like, man,

28:57SPEAKERremember when it was like three quarters a gallon?

28:59SPEAKER- I remember the first time it went above a dollar

29:01SPEAKERand I was like, oh man, this sucks.

29:03SPEAKER- Yes, right.

29:04SPEAKERHow things change.

29:05SPEAKER- Five dollars a gallon.

29:06SPEAKER- So I don't know if you're ready to get into your kind of

29:09SPEAKERhands-on impressions just yet,

29:10SPEAKERbut I did have one question about the overnight charging

29:12SPEAKERand you made it sound like does the car itself have a timer

29:15SPEAKERwhere you can just tell it when to accept a charge

29:17SPEAKERand when not, because otherwise like getting up at midnight

29:20SPEAKERto plug your car in does not sound appealing.

29:23SPEAKER- So every car is different depending on what your charging

29:26SPEAKERsituation at home is, and we'll talk about this later

29:28SPEAKERwith like the difference between the level chargers.

29:30SPEAKERLike the Bolt has, you tell the Bolt what your power,

29:35SPEAKERlike what the power situation is that you're at each

29:37SPEAKERlocation that you charge at.

29:38SPEAKERSo for example, when I plug in at the house,

29:41SPEAKERit knows where I am because it has GPS and it's like,

29:43SPEAKERoh, we're at home.

29:45SPEAKERYou have this amount of amperage and these are the times

29:48SPEAKERthat power is inexpensive.

29:50SPEAKERAnd you can say like, like if you're at your office,

29:53SPEAKERyou can say, okay, charge whenever I plug in.

29:55SPEAKERWhen you're at home, you say charge when the power

29:57SPEAKERis at the reduced rate.

29:59SPEAKER- That's very cool.

29:59SPEAKER- Yeah, it's good.

30:00SPEAKER- Also, how do they handle?

30:01SPEAKERI mean, maybe we're still getting ahead of ourselves here.

30:03SPEAKERHow do they handle, how like public charging?

30:06SPEAKERLike you're not just getting free electricity, are you?

30:09SPEAKER- Sometimes you are, yeah.

30:10SPEAKER- Wow, wow.

30:12SPEAKER- But so, okay, so the other thing you can do

30:15SPEAKERon most self-driving car, most not self-driving,

30:17SPEAKERmost electric cars is say, okay, I need to be fully charged

30:19SPEAKERby this time when I leave for work.

30:22SPEAKERAnd it'll make sure that you're charged by then if you,

30:24SPEAKERat whatever rate it has to, like the minimum expensive rate

30:28SPEAKERand then it'll do the slow, the cheaper rates.

30:32SPEAKER- Are we still in the territory of capacity and range

30:35SPEAKERon these cars that charging every night is critical

30:37SPEAKERfor people, like just for an around town kind of car

30:41SPEAKERfor driving back to work or to working back every day?

30:44SPEAKERLike, is that a, you're getting one day out of this thing

30:47SPEAKERand then you have got to make sure you charge that night

30:48SPEAKERto be good the next day or?

30:50SPEAKER- It depends on your commute.

30:51SPEAKERLike the Bolt is a 230-ish mile average range.

30:55SPEAKER- Okay.

30:56SPEAKER- I mean, that's a spectrum based on how you're driving,

30:58SPEAKERhow like how heavy your foot is and whether you're going

31:01SPEAKERuphill the whole way and stuff like that.

31:02SPEAKERBut yeah, like it's, we charge, we plug in basically

31:06SPEAKERonce a week, but we also, I mean, it's pandemic time

31:09SPEAKERand we're not going to school every day.

31:10SPEAKERSo like, I think we've driven five or 600 miles

31:14SPEAKERin the month that we've had the car,

31:15SPEAKERwhich is pretty low even for us.

31:16SPEAKER- Yeah.

31:17SPEAKER- Okay, so we talked about how gas engines work.

31:19SPEAKERWe should talk about how electric motors work

31:21SPEAKER'cause it's a little more straightforward.

31:24SPEAKERBasically there's a big ass battery in the car

31:27SPEAKERand then there's a couple of electric motors,

31:29SPEAKERwhich it turns out are the exact same as electric generators.

31:32SPEAKERIt's just that if you use the motor as a generator,

31:36SPEAKERthen electricity comes out of the motor

31:38SPEAKERand into the batteries.

31:40SPEAKERAnd if you use the motor as a motor,

31:42SPEAKERthen you have to apply, when you apply current to the motor,

31:46SPEAKERit makes the axle turn.

31:48SPEAKER- Okay.

31:49SPEAKER- And when you don't, then power and the axle still turns

31:52SPEAKERwhen you're not applying power,

31:53SPEAKERpower goes back into the battery.

31:55SPEAKERThere's more to it.

31:56SPEAKERLike there's voltage regulators and all sorts of stuff

31:58SPEAKERin that pipeline.

31:59SPEAKERAnd there's a lot of complexity

32:01SPEAKERin how the different electric car manufacturers

32:03SPEAKERapply this stuff.

32:04SPEAKERLike some of them are doing a traditional kind of axle

32:06SPEAKERwith drive train, some have motors at the wheels.

32:09SPEAKER- Interesting.

32:10SPEAKER- Like there's a lot.

32:12SPEAKER- Yeah.

32:13SPEAKER- And there's a lot of difference

32:15SPEAKERin battery technology as well.

32:17SPEAKERSo like we, Jean and I chose to do a lease A

32:21SPEAKERbecause it was basically free,

32:24SPEAKERbut B because I'm not super confident

32:28SPEAKERin anybody's batteries outside of maybe Tesla at this point,

32:31SPEAKERbecause we haven't reached 10 years of bolts at this point.

32:36SPEAKER- Right.

32:37SPEAKER- We've seen 10 years of leafs.

32:39SPEAKER10 year, the 10 year old leafs are not in great shape

32:42SPEAKERat this point.

32:43SPEAKER- Ooh, okay.

32:44SPEAKER- Because they didn't, like the batteries started out

32:46SPEAKERat 75 mile or 90 mile an hour mile batteries.

32:49SPEAKER- Right.

32:50SPEAKER- And when you think about what your phone battery

32:52SPEAKERlooks like after 1500 charges, you know,

32:56SPEAKERand it's down to 70% of its original capacity,

32:58SPEAKERthat means your 70 mile an hour,

33:00SPEAKERthe 70 mile leaf has now, is now like a, you know,

33:04SPEAKER50, 52 mile leaf and you've gone from,

33:08SPEAKERthis is fine for my back and forth commute

33:09SPEAKERand like driving to the grocery store and stuff

33:11SPEAKERto, oh, I kind of plug in.

33:14SPEAKER- We should, we should mention to be fair,

33:15SPEAKERthe, a 10 year old leaf is literally a first gen leaf.

33:18SPEAKERI think it was December.

33:19SPEAKERDecember, 2010 is when that debuted.

33:21SPEAKERAnd that was the first major manufacturer's

33:24SPEAKERelectric vehicle.

33:25SPEAKERLike the, I guess the Tesla Roadster created that,

33:27SPEAKERbut Tesla obviously was a new company.

33:29SPEAKERSo like a 10 year old leaf is about the oldest commercial

33:33SPEAKERlarge scale electric vehicle on the road right now.

33:36SPEAKER- Yeah, and it was, it was very much,

33:38SPEAKERlike it was very much pitched as a driving around town

33:41SPEAKERfor urbanites kind of car,

33:43SPEAKERlike places where you're going to do low mileage,

33:44SPEAKERbut lots of, lots of stop and go, stuff like that.

33:47SPEAKERSo I was gonna say the neat thing about this, this,

33:50SPEAKERthe idea that like power going into the same device

33:53SPEAKERmakes it go and power coming out of the, you know,

33:56SPEAKERmechanical energy going into that same device

33:58SPEAKERgenerates electricity is that you don't use brakes to brake.

34:02SPEAKERLike in an, in an ice car, when you mash the brakes,

34:06SPEAKERthat, that is turning your physical momentum,

34:09SPEAKERyour kinetic energy into heat, right?

34:11SPEAKERThere's no, there's no recuperating that.

34:13SPEAKERI mean, hybrid, hybrid cars do recuperate that

34:16SPEAKERand by putting that energy into the battery,

34:19SPEAKERbut with an electric car,

34:20SPEAKERyou do this thing called one pedal driving,

34:22SPEAKERwhich we'll talk about where basically

34:25SPEAKERwhen you let off the gas, it just starts,

34:27SPEAKERit starts slowing the car down and that slowing the car down

34:29SPEAKERadds energy back into the battery.

34:31SPEAKER- Is that a huge adjustment?

34:33SPEAKER- It's a little weird.

34:34SPEAKER- That sounds very weird.

34:35SPEAKERI haven't driven, to be clear,

34:36SPEAKERI have not driven a car in probably 12 years,

34:39SPEAKERbut that sounds very strange to me.

34:40SPEAKER- It took a minute, after a week, everybody was on board

34:44SPEAKERand like Gina was stoked about it 'cause it's kind of fun.

34:47SPEAKERYou get to watch the little number go up and down

34:49SPEAKERto see how you're doing.

34:50SPEAKER- I mean, is there a brake pedal?

34:51SPEAKER- There is a brake pedal, yeah.

34:52SPEAKER- Okay, okay.

34:53SPEAKER- You still have the brakes for like,

34:54SPEAKERif something runs out in front of you,

34:56SPEAKERyou definitely slam on the brakes.

34:57SPEAKERYou don't expect the regenerative braking to do its thing.

34:59SPEAKER- Yes, okay, I'm just making sure.

35:01SPEAKER- But like the regenerative braking,

35:03SPEAKERso when I'm driving, usually I hit the brakes

35:05SPEAKERlike twice a day, it seems like now.

35:07SPEAKER- Wow, that's wild.

35:09SPEAKER- Yeah.

35:10SPEAKER- I feel a little unsettled thinking about that.

35:13SPEAKER- It's weird, it's an adjustment.

35:14SPEAKERI'm sure that people have accidents doing it all the time

35:16SPEAKER'cause it doesn't seem, and that's optional too.

35:19SPEAKERLike if you want to drive the car like a normal ass car,

35:21SPEAKERlike the default D for driving,

35:24SPEAKERwhen you put the car into drive,

35:26SPEAKERis it just works like a normal car

35:28SPEAKERand use the gas and the brake like normal.

35:29SPEAKERIf you put it into the, what would be the L on an ice car,

35:33SPEAKERwhich is like the low gear, no overdrive type thing,

35:36SPEAKERthat's when you get into the one pedal territory.

35:38SPEAKER- Okay.

35:41SPEAKER- So the other thing about electrics is weight matters a ton

35:44SPEAKERsince that's directly related to efficiency.

35:47SPEAKERSo like BMW makes the i3 out of carbon fiber,

35:51SPEAKERwhich has some interesting costs if you get hit,

35:54SPEAKER'cause it's not just like normal body work,

35:56SPEAKERyou have to then get carbon fiber welded back on

35:58SPEAKERand you can see in the ass.

36:01SPEAKERThe compartment under the hatchback in my car

36:04SPEAKERwhere like the temporary charger and all that stuff is stored

36:07SPEAKERis made out of like closed cell foam,

36:08SPEAKERit's like hard styrofoam, so it's super light

36:12SPEAKERand doesn't rattle.

36:14SPEAKER- It's interesting, there's a lot going on.

36:18SPEAKER- Yeah.

36:23SPEAKER(laughing)

36:26SPEAKER- Well, that was a pregnant pause.

36:27SPEAKER- Who's gonna talk next?

36:30SPEAKER- You wanna know what it's like to drive an electric car,

36:31SPEAKERBrad?

36:32SPEAKER- Sure, why don't we get into it?

36:34SPEAKER- It's just like a normal car.

36:35SPEAKER- We have a lot of notes here to be clear.

36:37SPEAKERThis is a pretty information dense episode.

36:39SPEAKERThis is like three Google docs pages of notes.

36:41SPEAKER- Well, there's a lot of stuff to not forget

36:44SPEAKERand I wanted to make sure we didn't jack anything up

36:45SPEAKER'cause I know that the Tesla people

36:46SPEAKERwill yell at us either way,

36:47SPEAKERso at least I wanted to have the facts right.

36:49SPEAKER- Let's just not say the word Tesla again,

36:51SPEAKERthis is the whole episode and we should be fine.

36:52SPEAKER- Okay, fine.

36:53SPEAKER- Just very generically talk about EVs

36:56SPEAKERand we should be fine.

36:57SPEAKERI guess I'll throw this out there,

36:59SPEAKERI'm sure we'll touch on it more later,

37:00SPEAKERbut it's kind of a full circle sort of moment

37:03SPEAKERwhen you mentioned that the Leaf was pitched as a like,

37:05SPEAKERyou live in a city

37:06SPEAKERand you're just gonna drive a little bit each day.

37:09SPEAKERLike kind of, I think that the final thing

37:10SPEAKERthat occasioned this episode

37:11SPEAKERis the electric Ford F-150, right?

37:14SPEAKERLike kind of, I know it's not the only pickup truck,

37:18SPEAKERlike trust me, I'd come from the land of pickup trucks,

37:20SPEAKERI know people have their favorites and everything,

37:21SPEAKERbut like it is to me kind of the emblematic

37:25SPEAKERor stereotypical big, you know.

37:28SPEAKER- It's the market leader.

37:29SPEAKER- The big beefy truck, the big-

37:31SPEAKER- They sell $42 billion worth of those things a year.

37:34SPEAKER- Right, right, like it is the big oversized pickup truck.

37:37SPEAKERSo like the fact that there is an electric

37:39SPEAKERone of those coming now is sort of like,

37:41SPEAKERall right, electric vehicles are here.

37:42SPEAKER- It's like, it may not be the most

37:45SPEAKERtechnologically advanced or whatever.

37:47SPEAKERI think Ford partnered with Rivian

37:49SPEAKERor licensed stuff from Rivian

37:50SPEAKERfor drive train or batteries or something.

37:53SPEAKERI didn't pay, honestly, that stuff I care less about

37:57SPEAKERthan the fact that there's a pure electric option

38:00SPEAKERfor the most popular car in America.

38:02SPEAKERThat seems pretty good.

38:04SPEAKER- Yeah.

38:05SPEAKER- And not only that, but like,

38:08SPEAKERso one of the things that happens with electric cars,

38:10SPEAKERlike they're mechanically a lot less complicated

38:13SPEAKERthan ICE cars, right?

38:15SPEAKERThere's no alternator.

38:16SPEAKERThe alternator is just fundamentally part of the car, right?

38:19SPEAKERLike the thing that generates electricity

38:20SPEAKERfrom the motion is built in.

38:24SPEAKERYou don't have to have as much cooling.

38:26SPEAKERYou don't have to have as much,

38:28SPEAKERyou don't have to have fuel pumps.

38:30SPEAKERYou don't have to have all,

38:31SPEAKERa lot of the stuff that wears out and breaks on ICE cars,

38:34SPEAKERjust like there's no, you don't have to have oil changes

38:36SPEAKERbecause the lube is like the electric motors are closed

38:40SPEAKERand don't require new lubrication, right?

38:43SPEAKER- Right, like when you mentioned that some manufacturers

38:45SPEAKERare putting like small engines on each wheel,

38:47SPEAKERlike it really opened my eyes to like,

38:48SPEAKERoh gosh, there's so many fewer requirements

38:51SPEAKERthan you had in the past that you can get kind of weird

38:53SPEAKERwith these designs, can't you?

38:54SPEAKER- That's exactly it.

38:56SPEAKERYou don't, because you don't use the brakes as much,

39:00SPEAKERyou do have less wear on the brakes.

39:01SPEAKERSo like I have friends who had bolts for three or four years

39:03SPEAKERand are not even a quarter of the way through their first

39:06SPEAKERset of brake pads, right?

39:09SPEAKERIt's really the only thing it seems like

39:12SPEAKERthat can go real bad on these

39:14SPEAKERis if you fuck up the battery somehow,

39:16SPEAKERin which case you're looking at probably a totaling the car

39:20SPEAKERbecause the cost of the battery is often worse

39:23SPEAKERthan the cost of the resale.

39:24SPEAKER- They're really that expensive?

39:25SPEAKER- They are. - Holy crap.

39:26SPEAKER- It is 10 or 12 grand for a replacement battery usually.

39:29SPEAKER- Jeez, okay.

39:32SPEAKER- I mean, however, this is why A, I leased the car, right?

39:38SPEAKERIt's 'cause I didn't want to, you know,

39:41SPEAKERI can't destroy the battery in three years.

39:44SPEAKERBut B, I figure by the time I get done with this lease,

39:48SPEAKERwe'll know however these batteries are looking

39:50SPEAKERand we'll have a better idea of what's the right choice

39:53SPEAKERto be, I feel like, so I joked about Tesla a minute ago.

39:57SPEAKERThere's a couple of things Tesla, like none of this

39:59SPEAKERI think would have happened at this pace without Tesla, right?

40:02SPEAKERLike the thing that Musk did by making the luxury set,

40:06SPEAKERlike the desirable slash good slash reviewed

40:09SPEAKERwhile luxury sedan and coming out at the high end market

40:13SPEAKERand using the rich people cars to like expand logistics

40:17SPEAKERfor battery development and stuff like that

40:19SPEAKERis incredible and really good.

40:21SPEAKERAnd the fact that it's coming down to more normal cars

40:23SPEAKERand presumably they're gonna have a 25 or $30,000 car

40:28SPEAKERbefore too long is awesome.

40:31SPEAKERI think also because they've been doing this

40:34SPEAKERfor longer than anybody else,

40:35SPEAKERtheir understanding of what makes batteries last

40:37SPEAKERis probably better than anybody else in the space.

40:40SPEAKERThere's some things like,

40:42SPEAKERthere are some concerns with batteries.

40:44SPEAKERLike if you live someplace that gets very cold or very hot,

40:46SPEAKERyou need to think about whether which cars

40:49SPEAKERhave kind of climate control for the battery,

40:51SPEAKERstuff like that.

40:52SPEAKERIf you have a closed garage, it's less of a concern.

40:55SPEAKERBut like, if you live in Wisconsin,

40:57SPEAKERyour battery is going to be worse in the winter time

40:59SPEAKERjust because it gets cold and the chemicals do less work

41:02SPEAKERwhen they're cold.

41:03SPEAKER- Right, how does the battery health reporting

41:06SPEAKERin your experience, do they expose that pretty clearly

41:08SPEAKERor is that like you have to take it to the dealership

41:10SPEAKERto find out like they don't want you to know?

41:11SPEAKER- It's kind of like the phone.

41:13SPEAKERYou know how your iPhone says,

41:14SPEAKER"Hey man, your battery's fine."

41:16SPEAKER- That's just a percentage, yeah.

41:17SPEAKERIt's like, "Oh, your battery is 94%, thanks phone."

41:19SPEAKER- Yeah, I think I can get a kilowatt hour rating

41:24SPEAKERout of the battery still.

41:25SPEAKERBut yeah, I mean, it's kind of the same.

41:28SPEAKERI guess it's amp hour.

41:29SPEAKERI don't know how the battery reporting works on the car

41:32SPEAKERin that regard.

41:33SPEAKERBut it tells me how much energy is going in.

41:35SPEAKERI can go in the app on my phone and it'll tell me

41:38SPEAKERwhat my percentage is and what my estimated range is.

41:41SPEAKER- This is how long it's been since I dealt with cars.

41:43SPEAKERI just did another double take

41:44SPEAKERwhen you said the app for your car.

41:46SPEAKER- I've never had an app for my car before.

41:48SPEAKER- Of course there are apps for cars now.

41:50SPEAKEROf course that exists, I just had not considered it.

41:54SPEAKERBut the point is they don't obfuscate that data.

41:56SPEAKERThey are at least giving you a good enough sense

42:00SPEAKERof the condition of the battery, right?

42:02SPEAKER- Yeah, I can look at this and right now it says,

42:06SPEAKERI can get how much my efficiency is,

42:09SPEAKERwhich was 3.8 miles per kilowatt hour

42:13SPEAKERover the 80 miles I've driven

42:14SPEAKERsince it was last fully charged, right?

42:17SPEAKER- Okay, yeah.

42:18SPEAKER- I think I can get, I think if I dig in,

42:20SPEAKERI can get more information, oh, shit.

42:27SPEAKERI just set off the alarm.

42:28SPEAKER- Did you just, did you just destroy your car?

42:31SPEAKER- No, no, no, it's fine.

42:32SPEAKERSo like I get a diagnostic thing that basically says,

42:37SPEAKERhey, the battery's fine.

42:39SPEAKER- Okay.

42:40SPEAKER- And I think I can tap it, I can't tap into that.

42:42SPEAKERThat kind of sucks.

42:43SPEAKER- I mean, I guess like at some point,

42:44SPEAKERthat's just kind of the oil change light situation, right,

42:47SPEAKERof like it will let you know if there's a problem.

42:49SPEAKER- Well, except for now the phone will text me

42:50SPEAKERand is like, hey, man, you gotta,

42:52SPEAKERif you want to be ready to go to work

42:53SPEAKERat eight o'clock on Monday, you gotta plug in now.

42:56SPEAKER- I'm sure this is not actually the case,

42:58SPEAKERbut I love imagining that your car literally starts

43:01SPEAKERits texts by saying, hey, man.

43:03SPEAKER- I wish it did.

43:04SPEAKERThat would be more fun.

43:05SPEAKERLet's see, what does it say?

43:06SPEAKERIt's, here we go.

43:08SPEAKEROnStar, your 2021 Bolt EV has completed charging.

43:12SPEAKERFor help, call this phone number.

43:13SPEAKERType text stop to cancel.

43:16SPEAKER- I want to be the person who defines the texting identity

43:19SPEAKERof a line of car.

43:20SPEAKER- I would love that.

43:21SPEAKERThat would be so much better.

43:23SPEAKER- I want to write the brand Bible,

43:24SPEAKERthe like texting guidelines for the next electric vehicle.

43:27SPEAKER- You should be able to choose too.

43:29SPEAKERLike you should really, it's like choosing a Siri.

43:31SPEAKER- Like I want, I want, I want Australian lady Siri.

43:35SPEAKERI want, I want Australian lady Volt too.

43:37SPEAKER- Yeah.

43:38SPEAKER- Oi, mate.

43:41SPEAKERSo, okay.

43:42SPEAKERWhat it's like, the one pedal driving is cool.

43:45SPEAKERLike the way it's,

43:47SPEAKERwe've done a couple of long drives

43:48SPEAKERjust to kind of go around and see places

43:49SPEAKERwe hadn't been in a while.

43:51SPEAKERIt's a little tiring if you're going,

43:55SPEAKERif you're not stopping and going a lot,

43:57SPEAKERit's a little tiring 'cause you,

43:58SPEAKER'cause what ends up happening is you end up like

44:00SPEAKERwith the pedal kind of partially depressed

44:03SPEAKERin a way that's a little bit unusual.

44:05SPEAKERSo like, if you're going and it's flat,

44:07SPEAKERyou have to keep pressing down a little bit more

44:08SPEAKERthan you would normally.

44:09SPEAKERThere's no kind of coasting, right?

44:11SPEAKERYou're either, you're either accelerating

44:14SPEAKERor you're decelerating or you have the pedal pressed

44:16SPEAKERlike 10% or 20% of the way in.

44:18SPEAKER- That makes sense.

44:20SPEAKER- It, my, this is gonna sound weird.

44:24SPEAKERMy calf muscles had to kind of toughen up a little bit.

44:28SPEAKER- Okay.

44:29SPEAKER- 'Cause the first time we did like an hour and a half drive

44:31SPEAKERmy leg was fricking tired and I had to switch off

44:33SPEAKERof the one pedal mode for the back half of it.

44:35SPEAKER- Probably not the worst thing long-term, right?

44:38SPEAKER- I mean, I don't wanna get like one really ripped calf

44:40SPEAKERand one not ripped calf. - That's fair.

44:41SPEAKERIs that like the electric vehicle equivalent

44:44SPEAKERof like tennis arm or something?

44:45SPEAKER- Maybe, yeah, I hadn't thought about that.

44:48SPEAKERThe range anxiety is the thing I was kind of worried about

44:52SPEAKERcoming into this because like, you know,

44:56SPEAKERit's not like you can just pull into the gas station

44:58SPEAKERin three minutes, you're filled up and ready to go more.

45:00SPEAKER- Right, like there is what, 120 years worth

45:03SPEAKERof gas station infrastructure built up across the country?

45:06SPEAKERVersus like, I don't know what the charging infrastructure

45:09SPEAKERis like, but I'm sure it's pretty sparse.

45:11SPEAKER- Well, we have 10 years worth of charging infrastructure

45:14SPEAKERin California, it's pretty good.

45:17SPEAKERLike there's most, so there are multiple charge stations

45:23SPEAKERwithin about a mile of my house in the suburbs.

45:28SPEAKERWhen you pull into like Target, there's free charging there.

45:31SPEAKER- Wow.

45:32SPEAKER- A lot of cities in San Mateo County where I live

45:34SPEAKERhave municipal charging that is free or very inexpensive.

45:38SPEAKERNow often it's not particularly fast

45:40SPEAKERand we'll talk about that in a bit.

45:42SPEAKER- I was gonna say actually, maybe that's why

45:43SPEAKERthey're lax about charging you for it

45:45SPEAKERbecause the average amount of time somebody is likely

45:48SPEAKERto stay hooked up there, they're not gonna consume

45:50SPEAKERthat much probably.

45:50SPEAKER- Yeah, I mean, like the Target chargers,

45:53SPEAKERI don't know that we've used them yet,

45:54SPEAKERbut it seems like they're fast enough to,

45:57SPEAKERin the time that I would be at a Target,

45:59SPEAKERprobably put them out of energy that I spent

46:01SPEAKERgetting to Target and back into the car, which is fine.

46:07SPEAKERUsing stuff in the car reduces range,

46:10SPEAKERlike the radio and stuff doesn't make that much

46:12SPEAKERof an impact, but the air conditioner and the heat

46:14SPEAKERand the heated seats do for sure.

46:17SPEAKER- God, there's a lot to think about.

46:18SPEAKER- It's not a ton, it's like a 5% reduction,

46:21SPEAKERbut, and the thing is at least this car,

46:24SPEAKERthe cars, the electric cars I've driven,

46:25SPEAKERwhich is the ones I've spent any appreciable time in

46:29SPEAKERare like the smart car, the i3 and Teslas,

46:33SPEAKERbut mostly the older ones, not the model three.

46:36SPEAKERThey do a really good job of kind of like giving you

46:40SPEAKERa rolling average of how you're doing driving.

46:42SPEAKERSo like, you know, if you are light on the accelerator

46:47SPEAKERand like this card gives you a moment by moment read

46:51SPEAKERof how much energy is leaving the battery

46:54SPEAKERat any given moment.

46:55SPEAKERSo like you can tell, you literally see a number

46:57SPEAKERthat goes up and gets in the yellow

46:59SPEAKERif you romp it off the line.

47:00SPEAKERIf I hit the button on sport mode and accelerate fast enough

47:03SPEAKERthat it pushes us back in the seats,

47:05SPEAKERI can watch the battery go down.

47:07SPEAKER- Wow. - Right.

47:08SPEAKER- But you also see energy going back in

47:11SPEAKERas you're decelerating and as you're using

47:12SPEAKERthe one pedal stuff to stop at stop signs

47:14SPEAKERand stuff like that.

47:16SPEAKERYou know, we live in Pacifica,

47:18SPEAKERwhich is down a great big in a kind of valley

47:20SPEAKERand a cleft between the ocean and the mountains.

47:24SPEAKERAnd when we leave town, we are in the yellow every time

47:27SPEAKER'cause the car's yelling at us,

47:28SPEAKERwe're using too much energy going up the big hill.

47:30SPEAKERAnd on the way back, it's always all green

47:32SPEAKERbecause we coast down that hill.

47:33SPEAKER- That's right, just fast and loose.

47:36SPEAKERSo you're talking about all those readouts.

47:38SPEAKERWhat is your screen situation like in there?

47:40SPEAKER- There is one screen on the dash

47:43SPEAKERand then there's like an airplay slash dash

47:46SPEAKERentertainment screen that's like nine inches.

47:48SPEAKERIt's not one of the big stupid ones

47:50SPEAKERlike in the Tesla's or whatever.

47:52SPEAKER- That sounds unobtrusive.

47:53SPEAKERDid I assume, did you see this Mercedes tweet,

47:56SPEAKERwhich apparently has now been deleted.

47:57SPEAKER- I can't imagine why.

47:59SPEAKER- This Mercedes tweet going around this week,

48:00SPEAKERthis may very well become this week's show art

48:03SPEAKERfor people who haven't seen it.

48:05SPEAKER- It's the one with like 18 screens in it.

48:08SPEAKERAnd it looks like the person's gonna kill everyone

48:09SPEAKERaround them 'cause they're gonna be so distracted

48:11SPEAKERfrom driving.

48:12SPEAKER- Yeah, like it's, I mean, it doesn't help

48:13SPEAKERthat they gave it all this like purple and blue

48:15SPEAKERunder lighting to make it look extra future.

48:17SPEAKERBut yes, like this car is like nothing but screens inside.

48:20SPEAKER- This car has blue EL lighting that you can turn

48:23SPEAKERon and off around like the trim inside,

48:25SPEAKERwhich I'm not a huge fan of.

48:27SPEAKER- I mean, that's more energy.

48:28SPEAKERI mean, granted LEDs take like next to no energy,

48:30SPEAKERbut still like this.

48:31SPEAKER- It's nothing, yeah.

48:31SPEAKERBut you can turn it off if you really care.

48:34SPEAKERBut I just don't like, the blue is bad

48:35SPEAKERfor your night vision, I think so.

48:37SPEAKER- Yes, yes.

48:39SPEAKERLet's see, so we haven't had to use a fast charger yet.

48:43SPEAKERLike using L1 or L2 chargers, you can put any,

48:46SPEAKERwe'll talk about that actually in a minute.

48:48SPEAKERBut we haven't used the DC fast charge yet,

48:52SPEAKERwhich we did pay more for to get as an option.

48:56SPEAKERAnd that lets you use higher voltage and higher amperage

48:59SPEAKERto charge and like charge up 80% of the battery

49:03SPEAKERin a fraction of the time that you would take

49:04SPEAKERin a normal AC charging situation.

49:07SPEAKER- Is that something you can take with you?

49:08SPEAKERLike what is that?

49:09SPEAKERLike an attachment?

49:10SPEAKER- It's just a different plug.

49:11SPEAKERIt's a like extra dongle on the, you know how like,

49:15SPEAKERremember how USB-C originally had that extra little hat

49:17SPEAKERon the connectors?

49:19SPEAKER- Yeah.

49:20SPEAKER- It's like that.

49:20SPEAKERIt's just a little bit taller connector.

49:22SPEAKER- I see.

49:26SPEAKER- Like the other thing about the little car,

49:28SPEAKERso the Bolt is a small car.

49:29SPEAKERI've never owned a car this size before,

49:32SPEAKERbut it's really big inside 'cause there's no motor.

49:34SPEAKERLike the amount of space devoted to making the car go

49:36SPEAKERis very small compared to the rest of the car.

49:39SPEAKER- I bet that means pretty good leg room.

49:40SPEAKER- Yeah, like the backseat, front seat,

49:42SPEAKERit's all spacious inside.

49:43SPEAKERThere's not a ton of cargo space,

49:46SPEAKERbut there is like, there's no spare tire

49:49SPEAKERbecause they're concerned about weight.

49:50SPEAKERSo you have like run self-sealing tires basically.

49:56SPEAKERAnd it's like there's a little hidden area

50:00SPEAKERunderneath the back of the, like by default,

50:03SPEAKERthe hatchback area is flat,

50:05SPEAKERbut there's a little hidden area you can pull out

50:06SPEAKERif you want to put more stuff in.

50:07SPEAKERI was able to put six 20 pound bags

50:10SPEAKERof dirt in the other day, no problem.

50:13SPEAKERSo like, it's not like a pickup truck,

50:16SPEAKERbut it holds a fair amount of stuff.

50:18SPEAKERAnd you can fold the seats down if you want more.

50:20SPEAKER- Yeah, that is a lot of considerations

50:22SPEAKERto add to the driving experience though.

50:24SPEAKERLike you don't normally think about adding weight

50:26SPEAKERto the car being something you really need

50:28SPEAKERto think hard about, but.

50:30SPEAKER- Well, it's like they do a lot of stuff

50:32SPEAKERto make it manageable.

50:34SPEAKERSo for example, in the built,

50:37SPEAKERwell, I think most people who drive electrics a lot

50:41SPEAKERprobably have one of the apps

50:42SPEAKERthat like with their charging provider of choice,

50:44SPEAKERso that if they have to charge while they're out on the reg,

50:47SPEAKERyou just hit the button on the app

50:48SPEAKERand it tells you where the near one is

50:49SPEAKERand you go over and plug in to go have lunch or something.

50:54SPEAKERIf you're going to places that you can top off

50:56SPEAKERon the reg as you go, like most Bay area,

50:59SPEAKERlarge workplaces have charging.

51:02SPEAKERAnd like, if you go to Facebook or something for a meeting,

51:04SPEAKERthere's charging valets.

51:05SPEAKERSo you pull up, you give the guy your key

51:08SPEAKERand they'll plug you in for as long as you,

51:10SPEAKERuntil you're topped off

51:11SPEAKERand then they'll move you into another space

51:12SPEAKERand put somebody else there.

51:14SPEAKERIf there's, if those spaces are contested.

51:17SPEAKER- Presumably it is a pretty rare situation nationwide.

51:21SPEAKER- It's, you know, you say that,

51:23SPEAKERbut like you can drive almost, you can drive,

51:25SPEAKERI think the entire, most of the interstate system

51:26SPEAKERis covered by Tesla superchargers at this point.

51:30SPEAKERThere's EV2Go and PowerUSA or Power America or something.

51:34SPEAKERLike they're charging stations.

51:36SPEAKEROnce you start looking for them,

51:37SPEAKERyou see them all over the place.

51:39SPEAKER- Okay.

51:40SPEAKER- Like I can drive, I could drive to LA really easily

51:44SPEAKERand stop once probably.

51:46SPEAKERSo, and like, and with 230, 200 mile range,

51:50SPEAKERyou don't have to stop that often.

51:52SPEAKERLike it's kind of turns out it's the amount of time

51:54SPEAKERyou'd normally stop to get gas or whatever.

51:57SPEAKERIt just takes a little bit longer.

51:58SPEAKERSo I guess, I don't know, charging next,

52:01SPEAKERwhat do you want to do?

52:02SPEAKER- Sure, yeah.

52:05SPEAKERThe, they call, they base the charging on levels.

52:09SPEAKERSo there's L1, L2, and L3 charging.

52:11SPEAKERL1 is the slowest and L3 is the fastest.

52:13SPEAKERL3 and beyond kind of.

52:15SPEAKER- Are these, are these industry standard terms and ratings?

52:18SPEAKER- These are the, these are standard terms.

52:21SPEAKERThe ratings vary based on the car.

52:23SPEAKER- Okay, that makes sense.

52:25SPEAKER- So on the charging front,

52:27SPEAKERyou have two things that matter

52:29SPEAKERas to how fast you can charge.

52:30SPEAKERThe power coming out of the wall,

52:32SPEAKERout of the plug, out of the cord

52:34SPEAKERand the charger that's built into your car

52:37SPEAKERand how fast it can accommodate.

52:39SPEAKERSo both, it's just like your phone.

52:41SPEAKERLike if your phone doesn't support quick charge,

52:43SPEAKERthen it's not going to like,

52:45SPEAKERdoesn't matter what you plug it into.

52:47SPEAKERIf your plug doesn't support the highest standard

52:49SPEAKERthat your phone supports,

52:51SPEAKERit's not going to charge any faster than it goes.

52:55SPEAKERThe L1 is 120 volt

52:58SPEAKERand it's usually between eight and 15 amps

53:00SPEAKERfrom a normal 120 volt socket.

53:02SPEAKERUsually they have to be grounded.

53:04SPEAKERSo like you have to have your three-prong

53:06SPEAKERground fault plugs don't work if they're not grounded,

53:10SPEAKEReven though that's up to code.

53:11SPEAKERAnd the plug for this and L2 are the same.

53:15SPEAKERIt's called a J1772 plug.

53:18SPEAKERThat's an industry standard now in the US.

53:20SPEAKER- Ah, the old J1772.

53:22SPEAKER- Yeah, it looks like a little gun

53:24SPEAKERwith like three or four points in it.

53:26SPEAKERIt's really easy, my daughter loves plugging it.

53:28SPEAKERIt's really fun.

53:29SPEAKER- My grandpappy passed his down to me.

53:31SPEAKER- Brad, it makes a real good clunk.

53:33SPEAKERWhen you put it in there, it goes clunk.

53:35SPEAKER- Oh, I bet.

53:36SPEAKERI bet that's a fun plug.

53:36SPEAKER- And then the car, then the car usually beeps

53:38SPEAKERand it's like, yo man, I'm charging.

53:40SPEAKEROr sometimes it says, this is delayed charging time.

53:43SPEAKERI'm not going to charge now

53:44SPEAKER'cause the power is too expensive.

53:45SPEAKERI know, I'm cool.

53:47SPEAKER- Man, your car has an attitude.

53:49SPEAKER- On that delayed charging stuff,

53:52SPEAKERsometimes your charging station is aware of that too.

53:56SPEAKERSo like if you have an L2 charger,

53:57SPEAKERwhich is the thing we're going to talk about now,

53:59SPEAKERwhich is like, you see those,

54:00SPEAKERthis is like the thing at Target,

54:01SPEAKERlots of state cities have put them in.

54:04SPEAKERIt's usually 240 volts.

54:06SPEAKERThey range from 16 to 40-ish amps, same plug,

54:11SPEAKERbut they're AC, so alternating current.

54:14SPEAKERAnd where the level one charger

54:17SPEAKERwill do 40 or 50 miles of range per night,

54:20SPEAKERlike from midnight to say 9 a.m., 8 a.m.,

54:22SPEAKERthe L2 will do about 25 miles an hour.

54:26SPEAKERSo it's four to eight times faster

54:29SPEAKERdepending on the amperage that you have.

54:34SPEAKERIt's the same plug usually on the backend.

54:36SPEAKERSometimes you hardwire them in.

54:38SPEAKERSometimes it's the same plug as like an electric dryer

54:41SPEAKERor a heavy-duty electric appliance.

54:44SPEAKERElectric stoves, electric ranges have the same thing.

54:47SPEAKERAnd like I said, 25 miles an hour.

54:51SPEAKERUsually if you're paying for charging when you're out,

54:54SPEAKERit's L2 or L3.

54:56SPEAKERMost of the time L1s that I've seen

54:57SPEAKERseem to be complementary or very inexpensive.

55:00SPEAKERAnd then the L3 is the DC charging,

55:03SPEAKERand those are 480 to 1,000 volts depending on the vendor.

55:08SPEAKERAnd typically you're looking at somewhere

55:11SPEAKERbetween 20 and 90 minutes to get to 80 or 90% of the battery.

55:16SPEAKERAnd it's the same thing as with phones.

55:18SPEAKERYou can charge the middle portion of that charge fast,

55:22SPEAKERand then once you get to the end,

55:23SPEAKERyou have to slow down and you'll tank the battery.

55:25SPEAKERSo the cars have the chargers that know how...

55:29SPEAKERUnlike the car charger knows not to destroy the battery,

55:34SPEAKEReven if you try to.

55:35SPEAKERThe car will turn off if you try to run it too low,

55:38SPEAKERthe car won't let you overcharge it, stuff like that.

55:41SPEAKER- For 12 grand, I hope so.

55:43SPEAKER- Yeah, they're expensive.

55:45SPEAKERNow, Tesla is the exception for all of this stuff.

55:48SPEAKERTesla has their own plug on their car.

55:50SPEAKERThey're using the lightning adapter.

55:53SPEAKERThey're the lightning adapter of this world.

55:55SPEAKERThey're the Apple of cars.

55:56SPEAKER- Yeah, the adapters are mechanical only, I believe.

56:00SPEAKERI think there's an electrical component,

56:02SPEAKERbut it's confirmation.

56:04SPEAKERIt's data, not necessarily signal or anything like that.

56:07SPEAKERSo you can buy physical adapters that you...

56:10SPEAKERI think Tesla's actually come with an adapter

56:12SPEAKERthat lets you plug the J1772 into it.

56:18SPEAKERThe DC standard is CCS in the US.

56:23SPEAKERThere's a different one for Japan, I believe.

56:25SPEAKERBut everybody that's shipping cars in the US now

56:27SPEAKERthat have DC options is using CCS or their Tesla.

56:32SPEAKERAnd I don't know what the adapter situation is

56:34SPEAKERfor Teslas to...

56:36SPEAKERLike other things.

56:37SPEAKERMy understanding is that the Tesla supercharger network

56:39SPEAKERis supposed to become available

56:41SPEAKERto people who have the appropriate adapter in the US

56:44SPEAKERat some point in the not too distant future.

56:46SPEAKERI don't know what you need to do that.

56:50SPEAKERThe neat thing about the Tesla stuff is

56:52SPEAKERyou don't...

56:54SPEAKERIf I plug my car in, there's no...

56:55SPEAKERThe authentication has to happen with my phone.

56:58SPEAKERSo I walk over to the dongle

57:01SPEAKERand I tap the NFC thing on the thing

57:04SPEAKERand it talks to the app and it's like,

57:05SPEAKER"Okay, I know who you are.

57:07SPEAKER"Here's how much you're authorized for.

57:08SPEAKER"Go."

57:09SPEAKERAnd then it charges my credit card.

57:11SPEAKERWith Tesla, it just knows that the car belongs to you

57:14SPEAKERand it charges you

57:15SPEAKERwhen you plug into the supercharger network.

57:17SPEAKERThere are ways around that.

57:18SPEAKERIf you loan your car to somebody

57:19SPEAKERand you want them to pay for the electricity,

57:21SPEAKERbut it's like 10 bucks to top off the car.

57:23SPEAKERSo who cares?

57:24SPEAKERIt's really inexpensive.

57:27SPEAKERAnd like I said, the DC charge speed

57:29SPEAKERdepends on the charger and the car.

57:31SPEAKERMy bolt is only a 50 watt charger.

57:38SPEAKERSo that's the cap at how fast it can charge.

57:41SPEAKERSo I think it's like 90 minutes to fill it up

57:43SPEAKERbasically instead of 60 or 30.

57:47SPEAKERSo that's like...

57:49SPEAKERIt's weird.

57:50SPEAKERIt's a change, but it hasn't been stressful yet.

57:52SPEAKERWe haven't gone on any kind of long trips.

57:53SPEAKERWe're going to drive it to Petaluma

57:54SPEAKERor something next week in college.

57:55SPEAKERI'll report back, I guess.

57:56SPEAKER- Okay, yeah.

57:57SPEAKERSeems like LA, I mean, at least here.

57:59SPEAKERThat's kind of the window maker, right?

58:03SPEAKERThat's a six hour drive straight through.

58:05SPEAKER- Yeah, we would have to stop and eat,

58:07SPEAKERhave a hearty lunch at some point along the way, I think.

58:09SPEAKER- Right, like a strip like that

58:11SPEAKERis going to be the real determining factor.

58:13SPEAKER- But I would totally drive to San Luis Obispo.

58:16SPEAKER- Sure, just like what, three-ish?

58:18SPEAKERThree hours, something like that?

58:18SPEAKER- Yeah, it's like three hours.

58:19SPEAKER- Like halfway down the coast,

58:21SPEAKERlike stop and charge and have lunch halfway along the way,

58:24SPEAKERbut like not have to sit down for an hour and a half, right?

58:27SPEAKERJust kind of top it off and then plug in

58:29SPEAKERwhen we got there and be fine.

58:31SPEAKER- Suddenly I'm having a...

58:33SPEAKERI just had a real like used future vision

58:35SPEAKERof the future gas station as the electric station,

58:38SPEAKERyou know, where it's like, you know,

58:39SPEAKERlike the Star Wars or Alien version of the future,

58:41SPEAKERwhere it's like, everything is the same as it is now,

58:44SPEAKERexcept for the technology at the center of it.

58:46SPEAKER- Yeah.

58:47SPEAKER- It's still some greasy old, like, you know,

58:49SPEAKERgarage backwoods sort of gas station setting,

58:52SPEAKERexcept it's all plugs coming out of the ground.

58:54SPEAKER- But the thing is, the electric cars aren't greasy.

58:56SPEAKERThere's no green.

58:57SPEAKER- I know, I know, I know.

58:58SPEAKER- But it's weird, you open up the engine compartment

59:00SPEAKERand it looks like a RC car or something, it's ridiculous.

59:03SPEAKER- Right.

59:04SPEAKER- 'Cause like there's no lube to break down

59:06SPEAKERand there's no lubricant that leaks.

59:07SPEAKERAnd there's just, yeah, it's a trip.

59:10SPEAKER- Yeah.

59:13SPEAKER- So the thing I'll say is there's a ton of differences

59:17SPEAKERbetween the different brands in terms of like efficiency,

59:19SPEAKERin terms of miles per kilowatt hour, per kilowatt,

59:22SPEAKERbecause the batteries, the drivetrains, it's all different.

59:26SPEAKERLike the size of the car is gonna make a big difference.

59:28SPEAKERLike the Lightning has, the Ford F-150 comes

59:33SPEAKERwith these ridiculously huge batteries.

59:35SPEAKERIt'll do like 350 miles or something.

59:39SPEAKERAnd they weigh a thousand pounds or 1800 pounds

59:42SPEAKERor something like that.

59:43SPEAKER1800 pounds, not 18,000 pounds.

59:45SPEAKERI was shocked the entry level cost of that thing.

59:49SPEAKERGranted, like this is like the absolute bare bones,

59:52SPEAKERcheapest model you can get.

59:53SPEAKERLike you can get it out all day long, I'm sure.

59:56SPEAKERBut it's like 39,900.

59:58SPEAKERIt's under 40,000 for the base model.

1:00:01SPEAKER- And that's without the subsidies.

1:00:02SPEAKERSo you get a ton of tax credits and subsidies

1:00:04SPEAKERand stuff like that, depending on the manufacturer

1:00:07SPEAKERand where they stand on, where they are

1:00:09SPEAKERin their electric car adoption curve.

1:00:12SPEAKER- Interesting, like when you said earlier

1:00:14SPEAKERthat it was like practically free to lease this thing,

1:00:16SPEAKERI assumed it was just like pandemic

1:00:18SPEAKERhas depressed their business enough

1:00:19SPEAKERthat they're like giving them away.

1:00:21SPEAKERBut I didn't even think about all the tax credits and stuff.

1:00:22SPEAKER- So yeah, there's like a,

1:00:27SPEAKERso there's a federal credit that is valid for the first,

1:00:30SPEAKERI think several hundred thousand cars.

1:00:32SPEAKERThe people who've been making electric cars for longer,

1:00:34SPEAKERthat no longer applies to, I think Ford,

1:00:36SPEAKERpeople who buy Fords this year are expected to get that.

1:00:39SPEAKERAnd then next year it'll probably go away.

1:00:41SPEAKERBut like California incentivizes the living shit

1:00:44SPEAKERout of these cars.

1:00:46SPEAKERWe got multiple, I mean, I didn't have a lot of income

1:00:48SPEAKERlast year because of pandemic stuff,

1:00:49SPEAKERbut we got multiple subsidies and like the only thing,

1:00:57SPEAKERbasically on the lease, if you work with somebody

1:01:00SPEAKERwho knows how to do this, there's a site called Lease Hacker

1:01:02SPEAKERthat explains this and there are comparable sites

1:01:05SPEAKERfor purchases, but the deals weren't quite as good for that.

1:01:09SPEAKERThe upshot is in California, ICE car manufacturers

1:01:12SPEAKERhave to sell a certain amount of electric cars every year

1:01:14SPEAKERor else they start getting, they have to pay more tariffs

1:01:17SPEAKERon the, or more taxes on the gas cars.

1:01:20SPEAKERSo like Chevrolet is incentivized to sell the living shit

1:01:24SPEAKERout of these bolts so that they don't have to pay penalties

1:01:28SPEAKERon their truck sales.

1:01:31SPEAKERAnd as a result, we were looking at like a hundred dollars

1:01:34SPEAKERin change a month for a lease.

1:01:37SPEAKER- Wow. - On a really nice,

1:01:39SPEAKERdecked out bolt.

1:01:41SPEAKERSo the upshot is that we're spending less on the lease,

1:01:45SPEAKERthe insurance differences and the electricity

1:01:47SPEAKERthan we were spending on gas before.

1:01:49SPEAKER- That's pretty good savings.

1:01:50SPEAKER- It's a pretty good savings.

1:01:51SPEAKER- That's a pretty good savings.

1:01:54SPEAKERIs that a good cue to segue into kind of a quick wrap up

1:01:57SPEAKERabout like we pulled some just basic stats

1:02:00SPEAKERabout where we're at with the penetration

1:02:02SPEAKERin the market of the stuff?

1:02:03SPEAKER- Yeah, I'm curious.

1:02:04SPEAKERI'm super curious actually.

1:02:06SPEAKER- Yeah, I went and just straight up Googled,

1:02:08SPEAKERyou know, like how many electric cars are out there?

1:02:10SPEAKERIt's kind of lower than I expected,

1:02:12SPEAKERbut maybe my expectations were inflated.

1:02:14SPEAKERAt the end of 2020,

1:02:16SPEAKERthere were 10.9 million electric cars worldwide.

1:02:20SPEAKERSo just under 11 million globally.

1:02:23SPEAKER- That sounds- - Doesn't sound like a lot.

1:02:26SPEAKER- It's not, I mean, yeah, I mean, it's the normal curve,

1:02:29SPEAKERright, where we're getting to the part of the heel

1:02:31SPEAKERwhere it's gonna turn up.

1:02:32SPEAKER- Okay, we're gonna hockey stick soon, you think?

1:02:35SPEAKER- I mean, the thing that the car people were saying

1:02:39SPEAKERis that if the F-150 takes off,

1:02:43SPEAKERthat can be a part of the hockey,

1:02:44SPEAKERlike that'll be responsible for a big chunk

1:02:47SPEAKERof a hockey stick, yeah.

1:02:48SPEAKER- Sure, sure.

1:02:50SPEAKER- And like the way they pitch that thing isn't like,

1:02:54SPEAKERhey, this is like a normal truck,

1:02:56SPEAKERbut it's nice for the environment.

1:02:57SPEAKERThe way they pitched it was because of the benefits

1:03:00SPEAKERof the electric motors, this car rips for people

1:03:03SPEAKERwho actually use their trucks.

1:03:05SPEAKER- They definitely know who they're marketing to with that.

1:03:08SPEAKER- Right, like-

1:03:10SPEAKER- They know their audience.

1:03:11SPEAKER- Like there was a Madhouse segment on it the other night

1:03:12SPEAKERwhere she was like, look, they rolled this thing out

1:03:15SPEAKERby showing it pull a million pound train.

1:03:18SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:03:18SPEAKER- And then also, by the way, if you live in Texas

1:03:21SPEAKERand your infrastructure collapses,

1:03:23SPEAKERyou can power your refrigerator

1:03:25SPEAKERand your heater on this for a few days

1:03:26SPEAKERso you all don't freeze to death.

1:03:28SPEAKER- Yes, you're selling that truck

1:03:31SPEAKERto Tim "The Tool Man" Taylor, right?

1:03:32SPEAKERNot environmentalists.

1:03:34SPEAKER- Well, like you can plug, it has 120 volt AC on it

1:03:39SPEAKERso you can plug in like a welding rig, it's nuts.

1:03:42SPEAKER- I mean, that's cool, that is legitimately very cool.

1:03:44SPEAKER- Yeah, there have been multiple times

1:03:50SPEAKERsince I bought a house that I was like,

1:03:51SPEAKERman, it would be really convenient to have a pickup truck,

1:03:53SPEAKERbut I don't wanna have a pickup truck in the Bay Area

1:03:55SPEAKERbecause parking is a problem.

1:03:57SPEAKERLike if they sold a Ranger equivalent

1:04:00SPEAKERthat was electric like this,

1:04:01SPEAKERI would buy one of those in a heartbeat,

1:04:02SPEAKERthat sounds awesome.

1:04:04SPEAKERAnyway.

1:04:04SPEAKER- That's pretty cool.

1:04:06SPEAKERSo yeah, 11 million cars on the road,

1:04:09SPEAKERover 5 million of those are in China.

1:04:11SPEAKER- That's more than I expected.

1:04:13SPEAKER- Yeah, same, 1.77 million in the US,

1:04:16SPEAKERGermany is number three with a little over 500,000.

1:04:20SPEAKERI saw, this is just analyst predictions,

1:04:22SPEAKERthis could be anything,

1:04:23SPEAKERbut there are predictions floating around

1:04:25SPEAKERthat there'll be up to like 145 million worldwide by 2030.

1:04:28SPEAKERSo that would be the hockey stick for sure, right?

1:04:31SPEAKER- Yeah, I mean, it's the beginning part of it for sure.

1:04:35SPEAKERSo here's the question is,

1:04:36SPEAKERhow many cars are in the US total?

1:04:38SPEAKERDo we know?

1:04:39SPEAKERI'm looking for that right now.

1:04:41SPEAKER- Question.

1:04:42SPEAKER- It looks like in 2019,

1:04:44SPEAKERthere were 276 million cars registered in the US

1:04:49SPEAKERand obviously not all those are being driven all the time,

1:04:51SPEAKERbut like, so like, you know, it's not an insignificant,

1:04:57SPEAKERit's not a double, it's not a single digit percentage yet,

1:05:00SPEAKERbut we're getting there, half a percent.

1:05:03SPEAKER- Yes, something like that.

1:05:08SPEAKERThere's kind of been a little bit of movement

1:05:10SPEAKERaround some state governments,

1:05:12SPEAKERsome of the more progressive ones,

1:05:13SPEAKERlike the, you know, here in California,

1:05:15SPEAKERNewsom issued this executive order, when was this?

1:05:18SPEAKER- Last year, or was it last year?

1:05:20SPEAKERTimes it means nothing now.

1:05:21SPEAKER- Yes, yes, indeed.

1:05:23SPEAKERYeah, Governor Newsom here in California issued again,

1:05:26SPEAKERjust an executive order, this is not actual legislation,

1:05:30SPEAKERthat by 2035, all new vehicle sales in California

1:05:33SPEAKERhave to be zero emission vehicles.

1:05:35SPEAKER- Have they required that state owned cars are electric?

1:05:40SPEAKER- I didn't see anything to that effect, but I don't know.

1:05:45SPEAKERAlso, that's just an executive order,

1:05:46SPEAKERlike if he gets successfully recalled and replaced,

1:05:49SPEAKERlike the next governor could just rescind that

1:05:51SPEAKERon day one, right?

1:05:52SPEAKER- Yeah, immediately.

1:05:53SPEAKER- So that's not exactly binding.

1:05:55SPEAKERThis made a lot of headlines though,

1:05:56SPEAKERI don't know if you saw this going around like a month ago,

1:05:58SPEAKERWashington State, the legislature actually passed a bill,

1:06:02SPEAKERlike they were well on their way to passing a law

1:06:05SPEAKERin Washington that by 2030,

1:06:08SPEAKERall cars had to be either electric or hydrogen.

1:06:10SPEAKER- Ooh, I like that.

1:06:11SPEAKER- But Governor Inslee vetoed that bill.

1:06:15SPEAKER- People love Governor Inslee, they're real fans up there.

1:06:18SPEAKER- Are they? - No.

1:06:19SPEAKER- Keep up with Washington State politics.

1:06:21SPEAKERI mean, you know, he was like one of the also ran

1:06:23SPEAKERpresidential candidates.

1:06:24SPEAKER- Why did he veto it?

1:06:25SPEAKER- Last cycle.

1:06:26SPEAKER- He cited, because if you remember when he,

1:06:29SPEAKERfor the brief minute he was in the presidential race,

1:06:32SPEAKERlike the environment was very much his pet issue,

1:06:34SPEAKERif you remember that, like zero emissions,

1:06:37SPEAKERclimate change stuff was his thing, that was his platform.

1:06:41SPEAKERI guess there was some kind of road usage charge attached

1:06:44SPEAKERto this requirement, like is that a straight up tax?

1:06:47SPEAKERLike, is that what that is?

1:06:48SPEAKERIs that essentially, or is that tolls?

1:06:51SPEAKERIs that a per use like?

1:06:53SPEAKER- So, okay, yeah, so those are, so, okay,

1:06:56SPEAKERso here's what they're talking, here's what this is about.

1:07:00SPEAKERMost road, not most, but a lot of road maintenance

1:07:03SPEAKERis funded by gasoline taxes right now,

1:07:05SPEAKER'cause presumably if you're using, that's why in the South,

1:07:08SPEAKERyou often would see the gas pump that's the farm use pump,

1:07:11SPEAKERand then there's also the normal gas pump.

1:07:13SPEAKERThe farm use one bypasses the road use taxes,

1:07:16SPEAKER'cause that gas is to be used on farms only.

1:07:18SPEAKER- I see.

1:07:19SPEAKER- The gas, sometimes it's also shittier gas

1:07:23SPEAKERfor like it's leaded gas or whatever,

1:07:25SPEAKERbut for the most part, it's a tax thing.

1:07:27SPEAKERYou're just not paying the tax on those pumps.

1:07:30SPEAKERThe road use charges fund paving and road maintenance

1:07:35SPEAKERand stuff like that, and electric cars don't pay them

1:07:37SPEAKERfor the most part.

1:07:38SPEAKER- Right.

1:07:39SPEAKER- So one of, like with less than 1% of cars on the road

1:07:42SPEAKERbeing electric, who cares?

1:07:44SPEAKERBut as that number starts to increase,

1:07:46SPEAKERit's going to impact the revenue to the DOT and that stuff,

1:07:50SPEAKERand they have to figure out a solution for that.

1:07:51SPEAKERSo one of them is road use charges

1:07:53SPEAKERthat are like mileage-based user fees, basically,

1:07:56SPEAKERso that you report how often,

1:07:59SPEAKERhow many miles you drove that year,

1:08:01SPEAKERand then you pay a flat fee based on that.

1:08:06SPEAKERYeah, I don't know.

1:08:07SPEAKER- Yeah, I don't know if he was actually

1:08:09SPEAKERphilosophically opposed to this program,

1:08:10SPEAKERor if he just thought he was gonna get eviscerated

1:08:12SPEAKERpolitically for being a part of instituting something

1:08:16SPEAKERlike that, it's hard to say.

1:08:17SPEAKER- I mean, it could be also that he didn't like

1:08:22SPEAKERthe mechanisms that they were using to collect the money.

1:08:26SPEAKER- That was sort of his, well, his stated reasoning was like,

1:08:29SPEAKERthis is too important to get hung up in the process

1:08:31SPEAKERof trying to institute a program like this.

1:08:33SPEAKERLike, we can't attach this.

1:08:34SPEAKER- Oh, it seems like those things should be separate,

1:08:36SPEAKERis what he's saying.

1:08:36SPEAKER- That's kind of what he was saying,

1:08:37SPEAKERbut who knows what the real motivations are there.

1:08:40SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:08:41SPEAKER- And also like the state level regulations,

1:08:42SPEAKERlike, is this not just going to,

1:08:44SPEAKERor is this going to send people across state lines

1:08:47SPEAKERto buy cars, or is that very complicated

1:08:49SPEAKERbuying a car out of state?

1:08:50SPEAKERI don't know.

1:08:51SPEAKER- I mean, look, in Tennessee, we lived on the state line,

1:08:55SPEAKERand I feel like if you got caught trying to go

1:08:59SPEAKERacross state lines to avoid paying sales tax or something,

1:09:01SPEAKERyou'd probably be in trouble, but maybe not, I don't know.

1:09:04SPEAKERI don't know. - Yeah, I don't know.

1:09:05SPEAKER- Like you're entitled to go get the best deal, right?

1:09:07SPEAKER- Like, right.

1:09:08SPEAKER- If, yeah, that's complicated.

1:09:11SPEAKER- Like, yeah, I mean, the point is,

1:09:12SPEAKERI don't know how binding these regulations

1:09:14SPEAKERwould actually be on a per state basis.

1:09:15SPEAKER- Like what benefit to, like, we didn't sign anything

1:09:19SPEAKERthat said, "Hey, we have to stay in California

1:09:20SPEAKER"for the next three years when we got the deal

1:09:22SPEAKER"with all the incentives from California

1:09:26SPEAKER"to buy this electric car," or at least this electric car.

1:09:29SPEAKER- Yeah, but you know, at least the point is

1:09:30SPEAKERthere are some state governments

1:09:31SPEAKERthat are dipping their toe in

1:09:34SPEAKERas far as starting to regulate this stuff,

1:09:36SPEAKERstarting to force the issue.

1:09:38SPEAKER- Yeah, but you know,

1:09:39SPEAKERaccording to looking at these analyst predictions,

1:09:40SPEAKERlike maybe the market is just gonna solve the problem itself

1:09:42SPEAKERif it just becomes appealing enough to people.

1:09:46SPEAKER- I mean, I think what'll happen,

1:09:48SPEAKERUtah has enacted a road use fee

1:09:50SPEAKERfor alternative energy vehicles.

1:09:52SPEAKERThere's a couple other states

1:09:53SPEAKERthat have done something similar.

1:09:54SPEAKERLike, the nice thing about the fuel tax

1:09:59SPEAKERis it actually, it's not really a mileage tax,

1:10:02SPEAKERit's more kind of an efficiency tax.

1:10:04SPEAKER'Cause like, if you put your gas in a Prius

1:10:06SPEAKERand you're getting 50 miles to a gallon,

1:10:08SPEAKERyou're effectively paying a lower rate per mile

1:10:11SPEAKERthan somebody who's driving an F4, F350.

1:10:14SPEAKER- Right.

1:10:15SPEAKER- That's a heavier car

1:10:16SPEAKERand it's presumably doing more wear and tear on the roads

1:10:18SPEAKERfor the same amount of gas.

1:10:21SPEAKERI don't know that like a per kilowatt hour charge is,

1:10:26SPEAKERlike I don't know what the equitable way to do this is, so.

1:10:30SPEAKER- It's not an easy problem to solve.

1:10:31SPEAKER- It is not an easy problem to solve.

1:10:33SPEAKER- Speaking of problems that are hard to solve.

1:10:36SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:10:37SPEAKER- What else?

1:10:38SPEAKER- Recycling, recycling these batteries

1:10:39SPEAKERas they go out of service.

1:10:40SPEAKER- You just put them on top of the,

1:10:42SPEAKERyou put them in a Ziploc bag on top of the recycling bin

1:10:44SPEAKERand then they take them when they get the trash.

1:10:46SPEAKER- Somebody will just pick it up.

1:10:47SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:10:48SPEAKER- Who knows where it goes?

1:10:48SPEAKERNobody knows.

1:10:51SPEAKERYeah, the little bit I read,

1:10:52SPEAKERI pulled up an article from Science Magazine

1:10:54SPEAKERabout this topic and it really sounds,

1:10:57SPEAKERaccording to the researchers dealing with the problem,

1:10:58SPEAKERit really sounds like these batteries

1:11:00SPEAKERwere not designed with recycling in mind at all.

1:11:02SPEAKER- Well, everybody uses different formulas, right?

1:11:05SPEAKER- Yeah, so like there are all kinds of problems around this,

1:11:07SPEAKERlike different manufacturers use different chemistry

1:11:09SPEAKERin their batteries, different layouts of the cells.

1:11:13SPEAKERAlso the way the cells are bound together

1:11:16SPEAKERis different across different manufacturers.

1:11:18SPEAKERA lot of them use like a very heavy duty glue

1:11:20SPEAKERto bind the cells.

1:11:21SPEAKERSo like pulling the cells apart to recycle them is difficult.

1:11:24SPEAKERThere's no, the upshot of all that is there's no real,

1:11:27SPEAKERlike one size fits all easy recycling process.

1:11:30SPEAKERLike it's kind of varies by battery.

1:11:33SPEAKERAlso, it's pretty risky.

1:11:34SPEAKERI think you probably know more about this than I do,

1:11:36SPEAKERbut like piercing those cells is a big no-no.

1:11:38SPEAKER- I've been, I've seen BattleBots, I know how this works.

1:11:40SPEAKER- Right, right.

1:11:41SPEAKERSo like cutting those cells apart again,

1:11:43SPEAKERwhen they're bound so tightly together,

1:11:44SPEAKERlike just literally pulling them apart is risky

1:11:46SPEAKER'cause if you pierce the cell, it's like,

1:11:48SPEAKERyou know, you're letting toxic fumes out,

1:11:50SPEAKERthere's a risk of fire,

1:11:51SPEAKERthere's all kinds of problems there, like it's...

1:11:53SPEAKER- Yeah, you have to do it in an environment

1:11:54SPEAKERwithout I think water vapor maybe, I can't remember.

1:11:57SPEAKERThe problem is it reacts with water and oxygen

1:12:00SPEAKERand some other stuff.

1:12:01SPEAKER- Yeah, so like the, you know,

1:12:02SPEAKERone of the basic problems this article pointed out

1:12:03SPEAKERis that it's cheaper for manufacturers

1:12:05SPEAKERto just keep using new materials and making new batteries

1:12:08SPEAKERthan it is to recycle them.

1:12:10SPEAKERAnd of course, as we all know, our friends,

1:12:11SPEAKERthe corporations are gonna do whatever's cheapest.

1:12:13SPEAKER- No, no, here's the way this works.

1:12:15SPEAKERFirst, we throw this stuff in the landfill.

1:12:17SPEAKERAnd then in like 30 years, when we were like,

1:12:19SPEAKERoh shit, we threw all this valuable stuff in the landfill.

1:12:22SPEAKERThen we hire kids to mine it out of the landfill.

1:12:24SPEAKER- Oh, okay.

1:12:26SPEAKER- We're basically, when you throw something in the landfill,

1:12:29SPEAKERBrad, you're not polluting the environment.

1:12:31SPEAKER- No, you're just socking it away for later.

1:12:33SPEAKER- Yeah, you're making a future resource

1:12:36SPEAKERis the way to think about that.

1:12:37SPEAKER- So actually, I mean, you're being flip here,

1:12:39SPEAKERbut there was something this article pointed out

1:12:41SPEAKERwas that a lot of the materials in these batteries

1:12:44SPEAKERare pretty rare and in a lot of cases,

1:12:47SPEAKERcontrolled by a small number of countries.

1:12:49SPEAKERLike you hear about that stuff all the time, right?

1:12:50SPEAKER- I was gonna say, they're called rare earths,

1:12:52SPEAKERbut they're not actually that rare.

1:12:54SPEAKERThey're just hard to, they're difficult to get.

1:12:57SPEAKER- Or they're, yeah, yes.

1:12:58SPEAKERAnd they're pretty concentrated

1:13:00SPEAKERin a small number of places, right?

1:13:01SPEAKER- Well, I know there are like, there is a supply in the US,

1:13:04SPEAKERbut the problem is it's difficult to produce them

1:13:08SPEAKERwithout environmental impacts

1:13:09SPEAKERthat we're not as keen on in the US.

1:13:11SPEAKER- Aha, I see, okay, but may also be part of it.

1:13:14SPEAKER- Yeah, so like a lot of them come from China, it turns out,

1:13:18SPEAKERwhere they're a little more lackadaisical

1:13:21SPEAKERabout their environmental processing

1:13:23SPEAKERof potentially toxic metals and things like that.

1:13:26SPEAKER- Yes, I think South America,

1:13:28SPEAKERthere's a decent quantity available as well, is that right?

1:13:30SPEAKER- I feel like that's one of the other places, yeah.

1:13:33SPEAKERWe have, the thing that happened with rare earth mining

1:13:37SPEAKERin the US is that it became less expensive

1:13:41SPEAKERthan the material, it became more expensive

1:13:43SPEAKERthan the materials were worth to produce them here.

1:13:47SPEAKERSo we offshored all of that stuff

1:13:49SPEAKERto places where they didn't give a shit

1:13:50SPEAKERabout whether they poisoned people, which is gross.

1:13:53SPEAKER- Yes.

1:13:54SPEAKER- But now we're paying attention to that in a new way,

1:13:56SPEAKERand we're starting to bring that stuff back online.

1:13:59SPEAKER- Yeah, the point they made,

1:14:01SPEAKERand it seemed like a good point is that,

1:14:03SPEAKERfor whatever reasons, environmental, economic, whatever,

1:14:05SPEAKERthose materials are not easy to come by,

1:14:07SPEAKERand so creating another stream of those

1:14:10SPEAKERby recycling them out of old batteries

1:14:11SPEAKERinstead of having to continue mining them

1:14:13SPEAKERand all the impacts that go along with that

1:14:15SPEAKERis very worthwhile, even though it is definitely expensive

1:14:18SPEAKERand difficult at the moment.

1:14:19SPEAKER- Yeah, and so like everything else in electronics,

1:14:22SPEAKERlike the weird thing about electric cars

1:14:24SPEAKERis that the supply chain works more like electronics

1:14:27SPEAKERthan traditional cars, which are mechanical

1:14:29SPEAKERand are closer to steam engines or something than a phone,

1:14:33SPEAKERis that the supply chain stuff works in the same way.

1:14:36SPEAKERSo, you know, as there's more demand,

1:14:38SPEAKERthe supply increases and the cost for each unit goes down

1:14:42SPEAKERas the supply increases and so on and so forth

1:14:44SPEAKERuntil we race to the bottom,

1:14:45SPEAKERand eventually we're buying $15 cars again.

1:14:47SPEAKERI don't think that's actually gonna happen,

1:14:49SPEAKERbut like the cost per kilowatt hour of battery

1:14:51SPEAKERhas gone down dramatically in the last 10 years

1:14:53SPEAKERbecause the supply has gone up dramatically.

1:14:55SPEAKER- Yeah, this stuff always moves forward, it just takes a while

1:14:58SPEAKERthat moves more slowly than you would like.

1:15:00SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:15:01SPEAKER- But like that article pointed out,

1:15:03SPEAKERyou are starting to see some national governments

1:15:06SPEAKERstart to regulate around this stuff

1:15:07SPEAKERand start to invest in R&D for battery recycling

1:15:10SPEAKERand stuff like that.

1:15:10SPEAKERSo as these things penetrate the market,

1:15:13SPEAKERhopefully we will get there.

1:15:15SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:15:16SPEAKER- And hopefully all of our cars don't explode

1:15:19SPEAKERand kill everybody before then.

1:15:22SPEAKER- So you're talking, are you talking?

1:15:24SPEAKER- Yeah. - It's the last bullet point

1:15:25SPEAKERon this list.

1:15:27SPEAKER- I don't want my car to explode, Brad.

1:15:28SPEAKERWhy would my car explode?

1:15:31SPEAKER- I mean, maybe don't drive it into a tree for starters.

1:15:34SPEAKER- Well, my car doesn't have, my car's not self-driving,

1:15:36SPEAKERso it's all on me if I do that.

1:15:38SPEAKER- Yeah, okay, well, I can't help you there.

1:15:41SPEAKER- Are you talking about the Texas?

1:15:44SPEAKER- Yes, yes, there was this,

1:15:47SPEAKERwhat you describe as a somewhat sensational report

1:15:50SPEAKERfloating around, gosh, what was this, like six weeks

1:15:52SPEAKERas I wait for its page to load?

1:15:53SPEAKER- Yeah, it was about six weeks ago.

1:15:55SPEAKER- So here is a really predictable pattern for,

1:15:59SPEAKERI'm gonna sound like a Tesla guy now and I apologize,

1:16:02SPEAKERbut there's a really predictable pattern

1:16:04SPEAKERfor covering new technologies by local news sources.

1:16:07SPEAKERNew thing bad and scary,

1:16:09SPEAKERlocal advertisers who mostly are local car dealers

1:16:12SPEAKERwho sell Ford and Chevrolet and Dodge and Toyota vehicles

1:16:17SPEAKERare worried about this.

1:16:19SPEAKERTherefore, the local car explodes in fiery explosion.

1:16:25SPEAKERLet's make this sound like it's a real problem.

1:16:28SPEAKERThis is somebody who crashed their car,

1:16:30SPEAKERthe battery's ignited.

1:16:31SPEAKERIt's one of a handful of electric car battery ignitions

1:16:35SPEAKERthat happens every year.

1:16:36SPEAKER- Yeah, it's a Tesla, you should point out.

1:16:38SPEAKER- It's a Tesla, yeah.

1:16:39SPEAKERI mean, probably they were doing something stupid

1:16:40SPEAKERwith autopilot, who knows?

1:16:43SPEAKERThe thing about this is you have to look at the number

1:16:47SPEAKERof the explosions per 100,000 miles driven

1:16:51SPEAKERand kind of do a per capita assessment of this.

1:16:55SPEAKERAnd it turns out fewer cars on the road,

1:16:58SPEAKERso who knows how this will shake out

1:16:59SPEAKERwhen 25% of the cars on the road are electrics.

1:17:04SPEAKERBut currently the number of catastrophic explosions

1:17:09SPEAKERfor battery related issues versus number

1:17:14SPEAKERof catastrophic explosions for driving around

1:17:16SPEAKERwith a bomb in the back of your car.

1:17:20SPEAKERI feel comfortable with my choices is all I'm gonna say.

1:17:22SPEAKER- With an acceptable tolerance, is that what you're saying?

1:17:25SPEAKER- I would say everything is working as intended

1:17:27SPEAKERand I do not feel like I'm taking an incredible risk

1:17:30SPEAKERby driving around with lithium batteries

1:17:32SPEAKERunderneath my driver's seat more than I am

1:17:35SPEAKERby driving around with 20 gallons of gas

1:17:37SPEAKERin the back of the car.

1:17:38SPEAKER- Sure, so the thing that caught my eye about this story

1:17:41SPEAKERwas not the fact that the car ignited.

1:17:43SPEAKERIt was what happened in the aftermath.

1:17:45SPEAKERThis is the quote from the story

1:17:47SPEAKERthat really jumped out at me.

1:17:48SPEAKER"Authorities said they used 32,000 gallons of water

1:17:51SPEAKERto extinguish the flames

1:17:52SPEAKERbecause the vehicle's batteries kept reigniting.

1:17:55SPEAKERAt one point, deputies had to call Tesla

1:17:58SPEAKERto ask them how to put out the fire in the battery."

1:18:01SPEAKER- Yeah, so here's an interesting thought.

1:18:03SPEAKER- That was the part for me where like first responders

1:18:06SPEAKERdid not know how to deal with this that really stuck with me.

1:18:09SPEAKER- Yeah, so here,

1:18:14SPEAKERI don't want to suggest that the firefighters

1:18:16SPEAKERwho poured water on a battery fire

1:18:18SPEAKERwere yahoos who didn't know what they were doing

1:18:20SPEAKER'cause that would be unjust and unkind of me.

1:18:22SPEAKERHowever, holy shit, don't put water on battery fires.

1:18:26SPEAKERIt's like, you know, if you have a grease fire

1:18:28SPEAKERin your kitchen, what do you do to put it out, Brad?

1:18:31SPEAKER- Don't pour water on it?

1:18:32SPEAKER- Don't pour water on it, yeah.

1:18:34SPEAKER- Smother it?

1:18:34SPEAKER- You smother it, exactly.

1:18:36SPEAKERSame thing for lithium polymer battery fires.

1:18:38SPEAKERYou do not pour water on them

1:18:40SPEAKER'cause it just makes the lithium reacts with the water

1:18:42SPEAKERand makes more fire.

1:18:44SPEAKER- It just makes the lithium angrier.

1:18:46SPEAKER- The lithium, like lithium, it's like Nirvana said,

1:18:49SPEAKERlithium and fire don't go well,

1:18:50SPEAKERlithium and water don't go well together.

1:18:52SPEAKER- Yes.

1:18:55SPEAKER- And yeah, like, yeah, anyway,

1:19:00SPEAKERjust don't, Jiminy Christmas, if you're a firefighter

1:19:04SPEAKERand you feel like you're gonna be in a situation

1:19:06SPEAKERwhere there might be a battery fire, don't, yeah.

1:19:11SPEAKERJust yes, much more like with the recycling.

1:19:16SPEAKERLike this is all fairly new to people

1:19:18SPEAKERand we will get there in time.

1:19:19SPEAKER- I mean, you would think this,

1:19:20SPEAKERbut like I wouldn't have been surprised

1:19:22SPEAKERto see this story 10 years ago,

1:19:23SPEAKERbut we've had electric cars driving on with these batteries

1:19:25SPEAKERfor 10 years now.

1:19:26SPEAKERAnd the fact that there's a fire department someplace

1:19:28SPEAKERin the third biggest city in the country, in Houston,

1:19:33SPEAKERthat doesn't know not to squirt water

1:19:35SPEAKERon the lithium batteries is incredible to me.

1:19:38SPEAKER- Yeah, I guess so.

1:19:39SPEAKERSo again, less than 2 million electric cars

1:19:41SPEAKERout of almost 300 million cars.

1:19:43SPEAKERSo that's still a pretty small, pretty small spread.

1:19:45SPEAKER- This was also a crash that happened

1:19:47SPEAKERwhen there was nobody in the driver's seat

1:19:48SPEAKERbecause the, anyway, yeah.

1:19:51SPEAKER- Yeah, that's fine, you don't do it.

1:19:54SPEAKER- I don't, like, okay, just to be clear,

1:19:57SPEAKERthose people are dumb asses.

1:19:59SPEAKERI still think it's Tesla's fault

1:20:00SPEAKERfor calling it fucking auto.

1:20:02SPEAKERLike it's, we talked about this the 10th episode

1:20:05SPEAKERis asinine that somebody can come out

1:20:07SPEAKERand market something as, hey, autopilot.

1:20:10SPEAKERYes, I realize that the Tesla fanboy line

1:20:14SPEAKERof the autopilot and a plane works exactly

1:20:17SPEAKERlike this in the car.

1:20:18SPEAKERIt's like, it's a user helping feature,

1:20:20SPEAKERnot a replacement for an actual pilot.

1:20:23SPEAKER- Well, I'm sure that's a great comfort

1:20:25SPEAKERto all of the trained pilots out there

1:20:26SPEAKERwho have Tesla's and actually understand that distinction.

1:20:29SPEAKER- Yes, normal human beings hear autopilot

1:20:31SPEAKERand they think, oh, the plane flies itself.

1:20:32SPEAKERPerfect, I bought that for my car.

1:20:35SPEAKERCar, take me to Portland, please.

1:20:38SPEAKER(sighing)

1:20:42SPEAKER- Okay, watch your cars, they seem cool.

1:20:44SPEAKER- I like my car, I wish it wouldn't text.

1:20:46SPEAKERI gotta figure out how to turn off the texting,

1:20:47SPEAKERit's annoying, I wish I hadn't turned that on.

1:20:49SPEAKER- Yeah. - But yeah.

1:20:51SPEAKERThis is the part of the show where we thank the 2000,

1:20:54SPEAKERlet's see, how many people?

1:20:56SPEAKER2000,

1:21:00SPEAKER2,363. - 63, yeah.

1:21:03SPEAKER- Wonderful listeners who support the tech pod

1:21:06SPEAKERand make it happen every month.

1:21:07SPEAKER- Yeah, goodness gracious, thank you so much.

1:21:10SPEAKER- We've had a lot of new folks over the last couple of weeks

1:21:13SPEAKERand it's awesome to see them integrating

1:21:15SPEAKERin the community that was already there.

1:21:16SPEAKERWe opened up some new channels, we had to open up,

1:21:18SPEAKERpeople wanted a crypto channel this week, Brad.

1:21:22SPEAKER- I saw that you created the crypto channel.

1:21:24SPEAKER- I had mixed emotions about the crypto channel.

1:21:27SPEAKER- Okay, okay, that makes me feel better

1:21:28SPEAKER'cause we didn't talk about it ahead of time

1:21:29SPEAKERand I hung my head when I saw it, I'm hearing you say.

1:21:31SPEAKER- Well, look, we also had a problem

1:21:33SPEAKERwith people talking about eating people in the general chat

1:21:38SPEAKERand I felt like that was discomforting

1:21:39SPEAKERfor people who may not be aware of the fact

1:21:42SPEAKERthat it's a long, now unfortunate and long running joke.

1:21:46SPEAKERSo the crypto channels opt in, Brad.

1:21:48SPEAKER- Yeah, I didn't know you could do that.

1:21:50SPEAKERI guess I could opt in automatically

1:21:51SPEAKERas an admin of the server, but that's a cool discord thing

1:21:54SPEAKERthat you can have, require people to do a thing

1:21:58SPEAKERbefore they see that channel.

1:21:59SPEAKER- Yeah, normal humans, not gonna know

1:22:01SPEAKERthat either of those things are there

1:22:03SPEAKERand now that problem is off to the side

1:22:04SPEAKERwhere we don't have to worry about it anymore.

1:22:06SPEAKER- That's all that matters.

1:22:07SPEAKER- Solve the problem.

1:22:09SPEAKER- Yeah, that's a neat thing.

1:22:11SPEAKERThank you so much to everybody for supporting us

1:22:12SPEAKERand also I just wanna say a thank you

1:22:14SPEAKERto everybody already on the server

1:22:15SPEAKERfor being so welcoming to new folks coming in.

1:22:18SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:22:20SPEAKER- They have cultivated a very nice, welcoming,

1:22:22SPEAKERwarm, friendly culture for new folks to join

1:22:25SPEAKERand it's really nice to see.

1:22:26SPEAKER- It's very pleasant, it always makes me happy

1:22:28SPEAKERwhen I check in and see what's going on.

1:22:31SPEAKER- And as always, thank you to our executive producer,

1:22:33SPEAKERto your patrons, the Bunny Fiend, Jacob Chappell,

1:22:37SPEAKERTwinkle Twinkie, and James Kenway, thank you all so much.

1:22:39SPEAKER- Yes, thank you very much.

1:22:42SPEAKER- And yeah, this is a listener supported show, Brad.

1:22:45SPEAKERThis is, as of right now, this is your job.

1:22:48SPEAKERI don't know if that will remain the case, but...

1:22:50SPEAKER- Yes, Saturday morning, here we are recording.

1:22:55SPEAKERI had to tell my girlfriend, I gotta go to work.

1:22:57SPEAKERI know it seems like Saturday to you,

1:22:59SPEAKERbut this is work for me now.

1:23:00SPEAKER- Time to go to work.

1:23:02SPEAKER- That's right.

1:23:04SPEAKERSo you had a work change a couple of weeks ago.

1:23:06SPEAKERI've had a work change too.

1:23:07SPEAKER- Oh?

1:23:08SPEAKER- Yes.

1:23:10SPEAKER- Tell me about this thing that you've definitely

1:23:11SPEAKERnot told me about already, what's going on.

1:23:14SPEAKER- So a friend of mine reached out a few months ago

1:23:20SPEAKERand was like, "Hey, are you available for consulting?

1:23:22SPEAKERI wanna talk to you about communication, community stuff,

1:23:25SPEAKERand things like that."

1:23:27SPEAKERAnd he started a game studio.

1:23:30SPEAKERSo I'm working with Stray Bombay, working for Stray Bombay.

1:23:34SPEAKERIt started out as like a consult thing,

1:23:36SPEAKERand now it's just my job, it turns out.

1:23:38SPEAKER- Cool.

1:23:39SPEAKER- So we're making a as yet unannounced video game.

1:23:45SPEAKERAnd I think that's all I can probably say.

1:23:47SPEAKER- Okay, that's fair.

1:23:48SPEAKER- Yeah, but I'm working with Chet Falisek and Kimberly Voll

1:23:51SPEAKERand some other awesome people up there.

1:23:53SPEAKER- Heck of a pedigree.

1:23:54SPEAKERCongratulations, I have avoided pumping you for info

1:23:57SPEAKERabout the game as curious as I am.

1:23:59SPEAKERI know about as much as everybody else listening right now,

1:24:03SPEAKERbut I'm very curious to see more.

1:24:05SPEAKER- Well, hopefully I can talk about that.

1:24:06SPEAKER- Or see anything, I should say.

1:24:07SPEAKER- Yeah, hopefully I can talk about that in the future.

1:24:09SPEAKERBut until then, that's what I'm doing now with my days.

1:24:15SPEAKERSo if I'm around to discord a little bit less during the day,

1:24:17SPEAKERthat's probably why.

1:24:18SPEAKER- Oh, hey, I've got some time to kill.

1:24:20SPEAKER- Yeah, you're there.

1:24:21SPEAKER- So I've been on there quite a bit.

1:24:22SPEAKER- Look, it's really funny 'cause as you were leaving

1:24:25SPEAKERGiant Bomb, I was literally doing interviews with the team

1:24:29SPEAKERthere to meet people and see if I wanted to come in

1:24:31SPEAKERfull-time and see if they wanted to have me in full-time.

1:24:34SPEAKER- Yes, funny how life works out sometimes.

1:24:36SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:24:37SPEAKER- This should not affect this podcast at all.

1:24:40SPEAKER- Yeah, so that's one of the things that is important

1:24:43SPEAKERto talk about is it doesn't affect the podcast,

1:24:45SPEAKERit doesn't affect my streams.

1:24:48SPEAKERI mean, it does affect 'em 'cause I'm a little bit

1:24:50SPEAKERmore tired now, but yeah, everything's more or less

1:24:54SPEAKERthe same and I'm happy to talk about as much as,

1:24:57SPEAKERobviously I'm not gonna answer questions about games

1:24:59SPEAKERand stuff, but if people have questions,

1:25:00SPEAKERI'm happy to answer them in the discord or on Twitter

1:25:02SPEAKERor wherever, but I wanted to let you all know first.

1:25:06SPEAKER- Exclusive.

1:25:07SPEAKER- And I'm really, I'm very excited to share more

1:25:10SPEAKERwhen the time is right.

1:25:12SPEAKER- Yeah, I'm excited to see it.

1:25:13SPEAKER- Yeah, so that's it for us this week, I guess.

1:25:18SPEAKERWe'll be back next week with more

1:25:20SPEAKERBrad and Will Made It tech pod.

1:25:22SPEAKER- You bet your sweet behind, we will.

1:25:26SPEAKER- Behind.

1:25:27SPEAKER- Bye everybody.