00:00SPEAKER- I have a Gravatar associated with my email account.
00:03SPEAKERDon't know how to change it.
00:04SPEAKERDon't know where to go to find it.
00:06SPEAKERI don't know.
00:07SPEAKERBut occasionally it just pops up on a service
00:10SPEAKERand infects it with a picture that I uploaded in,
00:14SPEAKERI'm going to guess 2011.
00:15SPEAKER- Wow, that was a late Gravatar for you.
00:18SPEAKERI think mine was the first week of Whiskey Media.
00:20SPEAKERThe first week I was a giant,
00:21SPEAKERor mine had been right after the site launch,
00:23SPEAKERbut it was definitely '08.
00:25SPEAKERI think Jeff or somebody,
00:26SPEAKERlike we were using Gravatars for something there.
00:28SPEAKER- Oh, we were hot on Gravatars at Whiskey.
00:29SPEAKERThis is, yeah, this is my last.
00:30SPEAKER- It felt like such an innocent decision.
00:33SPEAKERFelt like, you know, it was an innocent time.
00:35SPEAKERIt was a simpler time.
00:36SPEAKERAnd I was just like, oh, you know what?
00:37SPEAKERI'm just gonna, sure, I will upload this picture
00:40SPEAKERof a hand grenade that looks like Pac-Man.
00:43SPEAKER- Yeah, why not?
00:44SPEAKER- Why not have a default avatar
00:47SPEAKERthat just shows up wherever I go?
00:50SPEAKERThis definitely won't dog me for years and years.
00:53SPEAKER- Look, it could be worse.
00:54SPEAKERYou could have like been really into anime
00:57SPEAKERfor a brief period in 2009. - It's true, that is true.
00:59SPEAKER- And it uploaded an anime girl,
01:01SPEAKERand like then that has some unfortunate connotations now.
01:04SPEAKER- Thankfully, my anime phase, which for the record
01:07SPEAKERlasted no longer than 90 days,
01:09SPEAKERoccurred somewhere around 1996.
01:13SPEAKER- We- - So, I'm safe.
01:16SPEAKER- Any pre-Gravatar, post-anime pre-Gravatar era?
01:21SPEAKER- So my, this is my final Gravatar.
01:24SPEAKERFor a while there, I was changing the Gravatar
01:27SPEAKERjust to mock conversations that were happening in our office
01:29SPEAKERwhen we were in the basement at Whiskey.
01:32SPEAKERJust like somebody would say something stupid
01:33SPEAKERand I would change my Gravatar to that
01:35SPEAKERand then it would show up in AIM
01:36SPEAKERlike four days later or something.
01:38SPEAKERBut this one is the blockhead that Cal made,
01:40SPEAKERthe tested blockhead that became like the mascots
01:43SPEAKERfor the site for years. - That's a great design.
01:46SPEAKER- Yeah, it was really good.
01:47SPEAKERIt makes me happy still.
01:48SPEAKERSo, you know, thanks, Cal.
01:50SPEAKER- I never thought about it,
01:53SPEAKERbut I could have just gone to gravatar.com all this time
01:56SPEAKERand maybe changed my Gravatar.
01:58SPEAKERBut anyway, I just want to point out real quick,
02:02SPEAKER'cause I am on gravatar.com now,
02:03SPEAKERthat at the bottom of the webpage it says,
02:05SPEAKER"Millions of avatar images are being served
02:07SPEAKERover 8.6 billion times per day.
02:09SPEAKERJoin some of the other sites that use Gravatar."
02:11SPEAKERAnd underneath that, they have logos for American Idol
02:15SPEAKERand the Battlefield 3 Battle Log.
02:17SPEAKER- Oh yes, the Battlefield 3 Battle Log.
02:19SPEAKERIt's, you know, really,
02:21SPEAKERthat was the peak of Battle Log technology,
02:23SPEAKERif you think about it.
02:24SPEAKER- Only the hottest of current content purveyors
02:28SPEAKERhere at gravatar.com.
02:29SPEAKER- I have a good friend who will remain nameless,
02:33SPEAKERwho sent me a note one time and was like,
02:36SPEAKER"Hey, do you have any idea how to change the Gravatar?"
02:41SPEAKER'Cause she had apparently deleted her Gravatar account,
02:44SPEAKERbut it was still cached and associated with the email address
02:47SPEAKERand then she couldn't recover it.
02:48SPEAKERAnd it was basically like in some sort of nightmare null.
02:53SPEAKER- It was, you know, the place that they send the bad guys
02:56SPEAKERin Superman 2, the Phantom Zone, it's basically there.
02:59SPEAKER- The prison of the mind.
03:01SPEAKER- Yeah, so she's basically got,
03:02SPEAKERshe's stuck with the same Gravatar from 2012 or 2010
03:06SPEAKERor something.
03:07SPEAKER- The Gravatar will just hang around, man.
03:08SPEAKERIt will hound you unto insanity.
03:11SPEAKERYou know what the Gravatar is?
03:11SPEAKERIt is the digital version of that gremlin
03:13SPEAKERfrom that Twilight Zone episode on the airplane wing.
03:17SPEAKER- The one that Will Shatner sees?
03:19SPEAKER- Sure, yes.
03:19SPEAKERBut God, that is Shatner, isn't it?
03:21SPEAKER- Yeah.
03:22SPEAKER- Gravatar is that, it's just there,
03:25SPEAKERalways lurking around the edges.
03:27SPEAKER- I didn't realize that Gravatar had been bought
03:29SPEAKERby WordPress, by Automattic.
03:31SPEAKER- Ooh, I don't know how I feel about that.
03:33SPEAKER- I heard a story about that once,
03:34SPEAKERand this may be an apocryphal story,
03:36SPEAKERbut the story I've always heard about Automattic
03:40SPEAKERis that the guy who started WordPress,
03:42SPEAKERwhose name was Matt, made WordPress
03:44SPEAKERbecause he wanted his photo blog,
03:47SPEAKERhe wanted it to be the number one Matt on the internet,
03:50SPEAKERwhich is why every WordPress blog has a link back
03:53SPEAKERto his blog on it at the bottom of the footer by default.
03:55SPEAKER- I see, yeah.
03:57SPEAKER- That's so, you know what?
03:58SPEAKERThat is a good, pure reason to start a blogging service.
04:02SPEAKER- I don't, like, it's probably not true.
04:06SPEAKERI don't care if it is or not
04:07SPEAKERbecause I love the story so much,
04:09SPEAKERso I'm gonna spread it.
04:10SPEAKER- You're welcome, internet.
04:11SPEAKER- Also, while we're talking Apocrypha,
04:13SPEAKERI'm gonna assume that him becoming the number one Matt
04:15SPEAKERis why no other Matt can ever be referred to
04:17SPEAKERby their first name again.
04:18SPEAKER- That's true, they're all Matthews.
04:19SPEAKEROr Mattie, or last name.
04:21SPEAKER- Sorry, Matts.
04:23SPEAKER(upbeat music)
04:49SPEAKER(upbeat music continues)
04:56SPEAKER- Welcome to "Brad and Will Made a Tech Pod."
04:58SPEAKERI'm Will.
04:59SPEAKER- Hi, Brad, and I am desperately trying to find
05:02SPEAKERone of the 18 Chrome windows I have open here
05:05SPEAKERthat has our Gmail.
05:06SPEAKER- It's too many Chrome windows, Brad.
05:08SPEAKERIt's too many, wait, I thought you were on Firefox now.
05:10SPEAKERYou still have Chrome?
05:12SPEAKER- Yeah.
05:13SPEAKER- Yeah, old habits.
05:15SPEAKERKeep giving him that data, man.
05:16SPEAKER- I know, I just-
05:17SPEAKER- Feed the machine.
05:18SPEAKER- It's just a spigot of data spewing
05:20SPEAKERinto the gaping maw of Google.
05:22SPEAKEROkay, let's move on.
05:23SPEAKERLet's go on.
05:24SPEAKER- I assume you're opening emails
05:27SPEAKERbecause it's the last episode of the month.
05:29SPEAKEROr maybe sometimes the first episode of the next month
05:32SPEAKERwhen we mess up the schedule.
05:34SPEAKER- I don't know if you know this, but I love emails.
05:37SPEAKER- It's...
05:40SPEAKERReally?
05:42SPEAKER- Just play along, man.
05:43SPEAKERThis is the email episode.
05:44SPEAKER- Yes, yes, and emails are-
05:47SPEAKER- No, I genuinely do love the email episode.
05:49SPEAKER- So I love the email episode.
05:51SPEAKERGenerally, this is the only type of email
05:53SPEAKERI like to interact with.
05:54SPEAKER- Sure.
05:55SPEAKER- Yeah, like any other email, probably bad news.
05:58SPEAKER- Yeah.
05:58SPEAKER- But emails from listeners?
05:59SPEAKER- Yes.
06:00SPEAKER- A plus, I'm there.
06:01SPEAKER- They have interesting things to say.
06:04SPEAKERHonestly, I mean, this sounds terrible,
06:06SPEAKERbut they provide us a lot of ready-made topics
06:08SPEAKERto talk about that we don't have to think about ourselves.
06:10SPEAKER- Yeah, they're way smarter than us.
06:11SPEAKERThey should just all be doing their own podcasts.
06:12SPEAKERThis is a big secret here.
06:13SPEAKER- Don't say that, man.
06:15SPEAKERYou can't-
06:16SPEAKER- They can't hear us.
06:17SPEAKER- You cannot lead them to the logical conclusion here.
06:19SPEAKER- Look, I'll edit this part out.
06:20SPEAKERThey'll never know, it's gonna be fine.
06:21SPEAKER- All right, what's the email address?
06:25SPEAKER- Techpod@content.town.
06:28SPEAKERIt's just like the URL,
06:29SPEAKERbut with one at where a dot would go otherwise.
06:32SPEAKERThat's techpod@content.town.
06:35SPEAKER- That's right.
06:36SPEAKERShall I begin?
06:38SPEAKER- Yeah, sure.
06:39SPEAKER- You have to think about it.
06:41SPEAKER- I was like, I thought-
06:41SPEAKER- If you're not ready.
06:43SPEAKER- I was like, yeah, okay, hit it, lay it on me.
06:46SPEAKER- Give me, let's start some cues and days.
06:48SPEAKER- If you want me to sit here and complain
06:49SPEAKERabout the lack of sunshine in this area of San Francisco.
06:55SPEAKER- It's been foggy and calm.
06:56SPEAKER- Oh my God.
06:57SPEAKER- I forgot to turn on the dehumidifier last night, Brad.
06:59SPEAKERAnd I woke up and the floor was clammy.
07:01SPEAKER- You know what?
07:02SPEAKERI have an email.
07:03SPEAKERThe first email comes in from Brad in San Francisco.
07:04SPEAKER- Hey, Brad, what's your question?
07:06SPEAKER- What's your standard for the domestic humidity
07:10SPEAKERas regards the survival of your technology?
07:14SPEAKER- So in normal non-bay area climates where I've lived,
07:18SPEAKERif the interior humidity hit 50%,
07:21SPEAKERI started thinking about turning on a dehumidifier.
07:23SPEAKER- Are you serious?
07:23SPEAKEROh man, I'm in trouble.
07:25SPEAKER- In our house in Pacifica, if I can get it to 50%,
07:29SPEAKERI consider it a moral victory.
07:30SPEAKER- That's where I'm at except that it is a constant struggle.
07:35SPEAKERVictory is as fleeting as it can possibly be
07:38SPEAKERbecause the second you turn the thing off,
07:40SPEAKERit will start creeping right back up.
07:41SPEAKER- I mean, that's exactly it.
07:43SPEAKERWe have the same dehumidifier recommended by Wirecutter.
07:45SPEAKER- Yes, we do.
07:46SPEAKER- And when I read the manual for it,
07:49SPEAKERit was like the most you'll ever be able to dump
07:51SPEAKERis two bins a day.
07:52SPEAKERAnd I think the bin is like three gallons.
07:54SPEAKERI can't remember, it's 15 or 20 pounds.
07:56SPEAKER- Yes, it's substantial.
07:58SPEAKER- And we can get three gallons.
08:00SPEAKERIf I leave it running on the high setting 24/7,
08:03SPEAKERwe can get three or sometimes four,
08:05SPEAKERdepending on when the last dump on the day before was.
08:08SPEAKER- You guys are significantly closer to the water
08:10SPEAKERthan we are, like you're a five minute walk or something.
08:13SPEAKER- Yeah, we're like a little bit under a mile and it's, yeah.
08:18SPEAKER- You own a house, that thing has just an output.
08:23SPEAKER- Yeah.
08:23SPEAKER- I don't know, you call that part-
08:25SPEAKER- It has a hose, it's a hose connector.
08:27SPEAKER- You can hook it into your plumbing.
08:28SPEAKERLike, have you not thought about doing that?
08:29SPEAKERThen you could just run it all the time.
08:31SPEAKER- It's really expensive.
08:33SPEAKERSo the nice thing about the bucket is it serves as a gate
08:36SPEAKERon the cost of the electricity that goes into the thing.
08:38SPEAKER- Our power bill was pretty high this month.
08:41SPEAKER- Yeah.
08:42SPEAKER- Actually.
08:45SPEAKER- Sometimes we have to shut the windows at night
08:46SPEAKERin the summertime because it's so wet outside.
08:49SPEAKERSo this is our humidity report for this week.
08:51SPEAKER- I guess so.
08:51SPEAKER- We should have just gone straight
08:52SPEAKERthrough the emails in retrospect.
08:54SPEAKER- No, dude, I need to know about this.
08:55SPEAKERThis is a hot button issue around my house.
08:58SPEAKERThe problem is that thing pumps so much hot air out
09:01SPEAKERas it's running though.
09:02SPEAKERIt's like, that's the trade-off, right?
09:05SPEAKERIt's like, do you want it to be drier in here?
09:06SPEAKERWell, then it's gonna be 800 degrees.
09:08SPEAKER- Well, so one of the things that we do
09:10SPEAKERthat one of our neighbors told us is important
09:12SPEAKERwhen you live in like really foggy areas of the West Coast
09:16SPEAKERis we have some chemical dehumidifiers
09:18SPEAKERthat are like buckets with a desiccant in it,
09:21SPEAKERlike the silica gel do not eat stuff basically,
09:23SPEAKERbut supercharged.
09:24SPEAKERAnd they will suck water out of the air.
09:27SPEAKERAnd we put those in the closets with clothes
09:29SPEAKERso that the clothes don't get all musty smelling.
09:31SPEAKERWe don't have to wash them like three times more than normal.
09:34SPEAKERBut yeah, the humidity here blows.
09:36SPEAKER- It's bad.
09:37SPEAKER- Yeah.
09:38SPEAKER- It's gross.
09:40SPEAKER- Okay.
09:40SPEAKER- I'm sorry.
09:41SPEAKER- This year's the bad.
09:42SPEAKER- Also I'm finding that not seeing the sun
09:44SPEAKERfor the better part of a month is extra rotten
09:46SPEAKERwhen you can't go out and do anything.
09:49SPEAKER- Yeah.
09:50SPEAKER- You're stuck in your house pretty much 24/7
09:52SPEAKERand there's no natural light.
09:53SPEAKERIt's a good time.
09:54SPEAKER- Look, I loaded up.
09:56SPEAKERWell, we'll talk about this in the patron episode,
09:59SPEAKERbut I'm doing video game summer camp for my daughter
10:03SPEAKER'cause a lot of her summer camps got canceled.
10:06SPEAKER- Yeah.
10:06SPEAKER- And I got dolphin running
10:08SPEAKERand it ripped a bunch of my old GameCube and Wii discs.
10:11SPEAKERAnd I just looked at the load screen
10:13SPEAKERfor Super Mario Sunshine for like 20 minutes.
10:14SPEAKERThis is where I was like, man,
10:16SPEAKERDelfino Plaza looks fucking great.
10:18SPEAKERI'm ready to go, man.
10:19SPEAKERPut me in there.
10:21SPEAKER- When Mario Sunshine looks more appealing,
10:23SPEAKERyou know times are dark.
10:25SPEAKERAll right, I'll restart reading.
10:27SPEAKER- The game times that are dark.
10:28SPEAKERWhat's our first email, Brad?
10:29SPEAKER- Okay, here we go.
10:30SPEAKERThis is from Braden in Seattle.
10:34SPEAKERThis is topical, it's current.
10:36SPEAKER- Okay.
10:37SPEAKER- A week or so ago,
10:38SPEAKERCloudflare had some major issues which caused Discord
10:41SPEAKERas well as some other services to stop working.
10:44SPEAKERI use a pie hole and the Cloudflare's 1.1.1.1
10:48SPEAKERas my DNS resolver,
10:49SPEAKERwhich may have contributed to the internet outage I had.
10:52SPEAKERIt was a strange outage as Spotify never stopped playing,
10:54SPEAKERbut websites and services seemed to shut down,
10:57SPEAKERnot all at once,
10:58SPEAKERbut rather over the course of several minutes.
11:01SPEAKERThis was far spookier than the usual internet outages
11:05SPEAKERor, you know, the usual internet cuts out
11:07SPEAKERand everything dies.
11:08SPEAKERMy question is, what do you think a realistic
11:10SPEAKERworldwide internet outage or major disruption
11:13SPEAKERwould look like outside of something like a solar flare?
11:16SPEAKERWhat could realistically disrupt the internet so much
11:19SPEAKERthat it would more or less stop working for a few days?
11:21SPEAKERI know it's distributed nature
11:23SPEAKERis supposed to make it survive things like a nuclear war,
11:26SPEAKERbut what if say DNS or something just stopped working
11:29SPEAKERand due to some unseen technical issues?
11:32SPEAKERI would also take any other stories
11:34SPEAKERabout internet related doomsday scenarios,
11:35SPEAKERbecause let's be honest,
11:37SPEAKERif they happen, 2020 is the year for them.
11:40SPEAKER- Well, okay, so in the old days,
11:42SPEAKERyou used to have big internet outages.
11:44SPEAKERSome guy with a backhoe in Reston, Virginia
11:46SPEAKERwould chop a fiber that went into May East
11:49SPEAKERor something like that.
11:50SPEAKERAnd it would shut off routing
11:51SPEAKERfor like two thirds of the country.
11:53SPEAKERThere was the people in the country.
11:54SPEAKER- Was that a genuine bottleneck?
11:55SPEAKERLike that was pretty much the only route
11:58SPEAKERbetween point A and B?
11:59SPEAKER- So it used to be that there were two main routing hubs
12:03SPEAKERin North America.
12:04SPEAKEROne was May East, one was May West.
12:05SPEAKER- No kidding. - M-A-E.
12:07SPEAKER- Yeah. - What era are we talking?
12:08SPEAKER- Like 90s? - 90s?
12:09SPEAKER- Okay. - Yeah.
12:11SPEAKERMaybe early 2000s even.
12:12SPEAKERI feel like by the early 2000s, Google,
12:14SPEAKERas soon as Google started running their own fiber,
12:16SPEAKERthis was no longer a problem, right?
12:18SPEAKERBut specifically, I remember somebody chopped a fiber
12:23SPEAKERgoing into one of those hubs
12:25SPEAKERand it basically overloaded all the other routers
12:28SPEAKERon the internet
12:29SPEAKER'cause they couldn't go through the preferred route.
12:32SPEAKERThe thing about this Cloudflare thing that's weird
12:35SPEAKERis all of your DNS caching,
12:38SPEAKERlike as long as your DNS was cached, you were fine.
12:41SPEAKERAnd as soon as his DNS stopped being cached
12:44SPEAKERand it went out to ping the DNS server,
12:46SPEAKERthen something that was previously stopped working,
12:49SPEAKERwhich would be really, really creepy
12:50SPEAKERand would be a weird thing to figure out.
12:54SPEAKERI think the bigger issue with internet outages right now
12:56SPEAKERis that like a pretty substantial percentage
12:59SPEAKERof like high double digits percentage of the internet
13:02SPEAKERis hosted on one of five major providers
13:06SPEAKERbetween AWS, Rackspace, Google, Azure,
13:11SPEAKERand I'm forgetting the other one.
13:13SPEAKERBut anyway, we're all running the same virtualized server.
13:18SPEAKERAll of the stuff is running on these virtualized servers
13:21SPEAKERin these huge data centers
13:22SPEAKERthat are owned by one of five huge companies.
13:24SPEAKERAnd it's much less likely at this point
13:29SPEAKERthat someone will chop some fiber
13:30SPEAKERthat's really important to the internet
13:32SPEAKERthan it is that like somebody at Amazon
13:34SPEAKERwill upload the wrong dependency to their hypervisor
13:39SPEAKERfor all the EC2 instances,
13:41SPEAKERand they'll all shut off across all the data centers
13:44SPEAKERas they cascade out.
13:46SPEAKERSo I don't know.
13:53SPEAKERLiving without internet last year when the fires happened,
13:56SPEAKERit made me really aware of how important internet is to us
14:00SPEAKERin terms of survival.
14:02SPEAKERLike we had to go to a McDonald's
14:03SPEAKERto pay our mortgage that month
14:05SPEAKER'cause we didn't have phone service
14:07SPEAKERand we couldn't pay the mortgage.
14:10SPEAKERBut yeah, I don't know what it looks like.
14:14SPEAKERI'd be curious.
14:15SPEAKERI'm sure we have people who are like into network hardening
14:17SPEAKERand stuff in the community.
14:20SPEAKERSo if you have,
14:21SPEAKERI'm sure this is something people board game.
14:24SPEAKERI did some quick Googling, nothing came up.
14:26SPEAKERI would love to hear what people think
14:28SPEAKERin terms of like worst case internet cascading failures
14:31SPEAKERand stuff like DNS is obviously a weak point
14:33SPEAKER'cause without your DNS cascades out,
14:36SPEAKERso you make your DNS changes
14:37SPEAKERand it all rolls out to all the other servers
14:39SPEAKERover like 24 to 48 hours.
14:41SPEAKERSo if somebody figures out a hack on DNS,
14:43SPEAKERthat's probably one of the first thing that goes.
14:46SPEAKERBut beyond that, I don't know.
14:48SPEAKER- In a situation where DNS just failed across the board,
14:50SPEAKERwhich like there are so many providers at this point
14:52SPEAKERthat that's functionally impossible, I would guess,
14:55SPEAKER'cause you know, any one of them.
14:56SPEAKER- They're all using the same protocol.
14:58SPEAKERIt's not like there's, yeah.
14:59SPEAKER- Yeah, but I mean the protocol,
15:01SPEAKERlike there's no centralized authority for that, right?
15:03SPEAKERI guess so, I mean, what are you talking about?
15:04SPEAKERLike some kind of vulnerability is discovered
15:07SPEAKERor some kind of way to subvert the protocol itself
15:09SPEAKERas opposed to specific providers serving it?
15:13SPEAKER- Well, I mean, so for a while people were really concerned
15:15SPEAKERabout poisoning DNS, which is like you injecting something
15:18SPEAKERthat jacks up the DNS server and, you know, then spreads.
15:23SPEAKERWe've, as an industry, we've spent a fair amount of time
15:27SPEAKERhardening that stuff, so it's less of a threat.
15:29SPEAKERBut I mean, there's always a chance that like
15:31SPEAKERthe Linux DNS server will have some sort of massive flaw
15:36SPEAKERthat nobody detected and then whammy.
15:38SPEAKER- Right, just like whatever the industry standard
15:40SPEAKERimplementation is that everybody's using, yeah.
15:42SPEAKER- And like, what did DNS servers run?
15:44SPEAKERUbuntu and on Linux and FreeBSD.
15:48SPEAKER- There's a lot of FreeBSD out there in networking.
15:50SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah, so.
15:53SPEAKER- Here's a random question.
15:54SPEAKEROkay, so actually this is what I was going to ask.
15:56SPEAKERIn a hypothetical scenario where DNS like ceased to exist
15:59SPEAKERfor a day or two, would a person who had, let's say,
16:03SPEAKERlike just a prodigious ability to memorize
16:06SPEAKERnumeric IP addresses for everything experience
16:10SPEAKERany difference whatsoever?
16:11SPEAKERLike, let's say you had an infinite,
16:12SPEAKERif you had an infinite capacity to remember the IP
16:15SPEAKERand let's like, you know, let's shove aside concerns
16:18SPEAKERlike dynamic IPs changing periodically and stuff like that.
16:21SPEAKERLet's just say that you had a one-to-one ability
16:23SPEAKERto remember the actual IP of like every service
16:26SPEAKERyou interfaced with.
16:27SPEAKERLike, couldn't you more or less continue to get along?
16:31SPEAKER- Huh, that's a good question.
16:32SPEAKER- Obviously there are issues with like applications
16:34SPEAKERthat aren't built for you to like input, you know,
16:37SPEAKERthey would be querying servers without your involvement.
16:41SPEAKERLike that would be a problem, but you get what I'm saying.
16:42SPEAKERLike if you, you could still communicate with everything
16:45SPEAKERthrough IP if you had that information and capability, right?
16:48SPEAKER- That's an interesting question.
16:49SPEAKERI bet that there's a lot of web apps that just don't work
16:52SPEAKERif you come in through an IP
16:53SPEAKERversus coming in through a URL, URI.
16:56SPEAKER- Interesting, you think so?
16:58SPEAKER- Yeah, I don't know.
17:00SPEAKERI think, I mean, hey, that's an insane number.
17:04SPEAKERLike first off, if you can memorize
17:06SPEAKERthat many IPv6 addresses, you should really,
17:09SPEAKERyou got some future in you in the card counting business.
17:12SPEAKERJust go to Vegas and get good at Blackjack, man.
17:15SPEAKER- Or you're gonna like rise through the ranks
17:16SPEAKERof the NSA very quickly.
17:18SPEAKER- Yeah, or you know, find, yeah, find some sort of street,
17:22SPEAKERI don't, like if you're that good at memorizing numbers,
17:25SPEAKERI don't know what your hustle is,
17:27SPEAKERbut there's gotta be a better hustle
17:28SPEAKERthan just like serving as the human DNS.
17:31SPEAKERLike you're a mentat at that point, right?
17:34SPEAKER- I mean, this is a thought exercise, you know.
17:37SPEAKERThe other thing I was gonna ask
17:38SPEAKERis talking about the kind of quasi monopolies
17:40SPEAKERof like your Amazons and your Azores
17:43SPEAKERand is IBM big in the computer space?
17:45SPEAKER- IBM does hosting as well, yeah.
17:48SPEAKER- You talk about like somebody breaking a dependency
17:50SPEAKERacross EC2 or whatever, I'm really curious
17:53SPEAKERhow much like sandboxing and failover capacity
17:56SPEAKERand redundancy and et cetera, et cetera,
17:58SPEAKERthey have built in where it's not possible
18:00SPEAKERfor them to hose the entirety of their service.
18:02SPEAKERYou know, it's like, oh, you might have killed it
18:04SPEAKERin this one data center,
18:05SPEAKERbut all the other data centers are fine,
18:06SPEAKERyou know what I mean?
18:07SPEAKEROr like, let's say if, like, I don't know who's Amazon's,
18:10SPEAKERwho is AWS's biggest client, I don't know.
18:13SPEAKERLike names. - Netflix probably.
18:14SPEAKER- Sure. - Or the DOD,
18:16SPEAKERyou know, one or the other.
18:17SPEAKERLike, do they have systems in place to like fail VMs
18:21SPEAKERthat are dying over to a different data center
18:23SPEAKERand have them resume, you know, stuff like that, you know?
18:25SPEAKERLike surely they have contingencies for that stuff.
18:28SPEAKER- So do you remember when we had the Whiskey Media panel
18:31SPEAKERof experts because AWS went down
18:34SPEAKERand most of the internet was gone?
18:37SPEAKERThat happened because of the Virginia data center,
18:41SPEAKERa problem specifically in the Virginia data center.
18:43SPEAKERBut because that was one of the early data centers,
18:45SPEAKERa bunch of people had just never moved their shit out
18:47SPEAKERof there. - Huh.
18:49SPEAKER- So like, even though we have images,
18:53SPEAKERwe had images of our servers in that data center,
18:58SPEAKERwe couldn't move them to other data centers
19:00SPEAKERwas my understanding
19:01SPEAKERbecause of the failure that happened there.
19:03SPEAKERSo like we didn't have local backups or whatever
19:06SPEAKERand couldn't re-upload them to other places
19:07SPEAKER'cause that was ridiculous who would do that.
19:12SPEAKERBut yeah, like there's, the more complex the system,
19:19SPEAKERthe more likely there to be some sort of failure
19:21SPEAKERthat nobody's considered before
19:23SPEAKERthat brings the whole thing down.
19:25SPEAKERMy assumption is that they roll out
19:27SPEAKERlike low level hypervisor updates and stuff like that
19:30SPEAKERover long periods of time in different data centers.
19:34SPEAKERSo hopefully that you won't see those problems.
19:36SPEAKERAnd also it's kind of unusual for attacks to bypass,
19:39SPEAKERto jump from a client machine to a host machine.
19:42SPEAKER- Sure, we can see it. - Right, yeah.
19:45SPEAKER- Last thing I'll mention real quick,
19:46SPEAKERjust in terms of redundancy in that space,
19:49SPEAKERI kind of dropped this for a while.
19:52SPEAKERI mean, I've been meaning to get back to it,
19:54SPEAKERbut for a while I was looking into like a storage blob
19:57SPEAKERon a Microsoft scissor as a like--
20:00SPEAKER- Like a backup. - Yeah.
20:01SPEAKERWell, people on our Discord server
20:03SPEAKERtalk about the whole like three, two, one backup thing
20:05SPEAKERof like have three backups,
20:07SPEAKERtwo local, one remote type stuff.
20:09SPEAKER- Yeah, so like I would get like a storage blob
20:11SPEAKERfor just like old family home movies
20:13SPEAKERand like the stuff that I truly, truly do not want to lose.
20:17SPEAKERAnd one of the options when you're setting that up
20:18SPEAKERin terms of like your payment plan
20:20SPEAKERis how much redundancy you want built in.
20:22SPEAKER'Cause you can pay more to have the data
20:25SPEAKERhosted in more places.
20:26SPEAKERI think geographically in the same place
20:28SPEAKERversus different places even.
20:29SPEAKERYou can have, I think, multiple copies
20:31SPEAKERin the same data center or specify you want copies
20:33SPEAKERin different data centers.
20:34SPEAKERAnd obviously there are pricing tiers that go along with that.
20:37SPEAKER- How much does that cost, like just what's the baseline?
20:40SPEAKER- I'd have to look back into it again.
20:41SPEAKER'Cause like, I mean, you and you are in a weird situation
20:43SPEAKERwhere we can't just use the nice flat rate back blaze plan
20:47SPEAKER'cause we're running NASA's
20:48SPEAKERand not just windows machines, you know?
20:49SPEAKERLike people with--
20:50SPEAKER- But you can, but it's a real pain in the ass.
20:51SPEAKER- It's a real pain in the ass
20:53SPEAKERto circumvent a lot of that stuff.
20:56SPEAKERI don't want to get anything wrong here,
20:57SPEAKERbut last, my fuzzy math last I looked
21:00SPEAKERmade it look like the Azure storage blob, like the cold,
21:02SPEAKERactually, what do they call it?
21:03SPEAKERThere's like--
21:04SPEAKER- It's like cold storage that's not being accessed.
21:07SPEAKER- I want to say there's like glacier tier
21:08SPEAKERor maybe that's an Amazon term, I forget.
21:10SPEAKERYeah, there are like tiers of like,
21:12SPEAKERhow often do you want to access this?
21:14SPEAKERHow long do you want us to keep this blah, blah, blah.
21:16SPEAKERAnd I want to say the Azure looked like
21:19SPEAKERit was going to be the cheapest
21:20SPEAKERfor something you never wanted to touch.
21:22SPEAKERFor something that it was just like,
21:23SPEAKERif my entire house burns down and my fire safe fails
21:26SPEAKERand my safe deposit box gets robbed
21:29SPEAKERand everything else goes wrong,
21:31SPEAKERthat data will still be there.
21:32SPEAKERLike you'd never want to touch it, right?
21:33SPEAKERYou just want to upload it and forget about it for 20 years.
21:36SPEAKERAnd it looked like that was going to be
21:37SPEAKERthe cheapest plus I checked, so.
21:39SPEAKER- But like $10 a month or like--
21:41SPEAKER- Oh, well, it's entirely dependent
21:44SPEAKERon how much you're storing.
21:45SPEAKERLike it was fractions of a penny,
21:48SPEAKERI think per gigabyte for the deepest, deepest storage,
21:51SPEAKERmeaning the least accessible, the least accessible.
21:55SPEAKERI would have to go, they have a chart up on their site.
21:57SPEAKERIt's okay, it's pretty easy to compare.
21:59SPEAKERBut again, that was for the tier where it's like,
22:01SPEAKERI'm never going to download this or ask to retrieve it
22:04SPEAKERunless every other method fails.
22:06SPEAKER- Yeah, I mean, it's in a tier where you assume
22:09SPEAKERthere's going to be a cost if you have to download it.
22:11SPEAKER- Yes, you will pay some significant amount of money
22:13SPEAKERto get the data out, but to just keep it there
22:15SPEAKERas a backup is pretty cheap.
22:17SPEAKER- Interesting.
22:18SPEAKER- Anyway, yeah.
22:19SPEAKERAll right, next email is from Joe in Chicago.
22:24SPEAKERMy loyal and very old Nook Glow Light
22:27SPEAKERwas lost to screen failure right at the beginning
22:29SPEAKERof lockdown life and I've been waiting to replace it
22:31SPEAKERuntil something new or more exciting comes along.
22:35SPEAKERWhat do you guys think of the development
22:37SPEAKERand future of these devices?
22:39SPEAKERI guess he's talking primarily about e-readers here.
22:41SPEAKERHave you seen any of the new color e-ink devices
22:44SPEAKERthat are slowly coming into the market?
22:48SPEAKERThat's pretty much it.
22:49SPEAKERWell, he also asks, have you ever considered
22:50SPEAKERdoing an episode around air conditioning?
22:52SPEAKERI guess we almost did just now.
22:54SPEAKER- Very dangerously close to that.
22:55SPEAKER- We were getting very close except neither of us,
22:57SPEAKERnobody around here has it.
22:58SPEAKERIt's maybe the most utilitarian and least snazzy of tech,
23:02SPEAKERbut it's really important and will only be more so
23:04SPEAKERas the temperature will rise in so many urban concentrations.
23:09SPEAKER- So I looked a little bit at this because of this question.
23:12SPEAKERI don't, there's two things that are important.
23:18SPEAKERIf you're gonna buy a dedicated e-book reader
23:21SPEAKERlike a Kindle or a Nook or whatever,
23:23SPEAKERlike having a good backlight and having good resolution
23:26SPEAKERand contrast on the ink to the paper or air quoting paper,
23:29SPEAKERbut the background are the things that I cared about.
23:33SPEAKERIn my experience, the color e-ink stuff, the saturation,
23:37SPEAKERlike I would want that to read comic books
23:39SPEAKER'cause the refresh rate is not gonna be big enough,
23:41SPEAKERgood enough that you can read video, watch video
23:43SPEAKERor do anything that has any kind of motion.
23:45SPEAKERBut for digital comics, it would be dope.
23:47SPEAKERThe saturation on the color e-ink stuff is so low
23:52SPEAKERthat even though it looks kind of okay now,
23:55SPEAKERlike I still would rather read a comic book
23:57SPEAKERon a transmissive LCD screen
24:01SPEAKERwhere you actually get full representation of colors
24:03SPEAKERand it looks better than it does on paper
24:06SPEAKERthan like the version that's going to look slightly shittier
24:08SPEAKERthan it does on paper.
24:09SPEAKER- Sure.
24:12SPEAKER- So I'm a Kindle, we're a Kindle house
24:14SPEAKERjust 'cause that's where we bought all of our e-books.
24:17SPEAKERBut the new paper whites are rad.
24:20SPEAKERWe replaced one a few years ago
24:22SPEAKERwhen the battery started swelling
24:23SPEAKERand it was like 25 bucks for a battery
24:26SPEAKERor 75 bucks for a new Kindle and we just bought a new Kindle
24:29SPEAKER'cause it was better and faster and cheaper
24:31SPEAKERand all of that stuff.
24:37SPEAKERIt's funny, I went from being a 100% Kindle reader
24:41SPEAKERover the last 10 years to mostly just using my phone
24:44SPEAKER'cause it's always with me in my pocket
24:46SPEAKERand battery life is never a problem anymore.
24:48SPEAKER- For book books?
24:49SPEAKER- For book books.
24:50SPEAKER- Not magazine articles but like an actual novel?
24:52SPEAKER- Book as books.
24:53SPEAKER- Wow.
24:54SPEAKER- Yeah.
24:55SPEAKER- Huh, I don't know if I can do it.
24:55SPEAKER- Because most of the time I'm reading,
24:57SPEAKERI'm like, well, not right now,
24:58SPEAKERbut if I'm getting my oil changed or something,
25:00SPEAKERI have 20 minutes to kill.
25:01SPEAKER- Oh sure, sure, that makes sense.
25:02SPEAKER- Then I whip the book out.
25:03SPEAKER- You might forget to,
25:04SPEAKERyou wouldn't remember to bring your e-reader
25:06SPEAKERbut you've got your phone already.
25:07SPEAKER- Yeah, but if I'm laying in bed, about to go to bed,
25:10SPEAKERsometimes I'll pop out and do a Sudoku or something
25:12SPEAKERand then I'll read my book
25:13SPEAKERand I can't be asked to change devices for that.
25:17SPEAKER- I get it, that makes sense, that makes sense.
25:19SPEAKER- I still like an eXtrain just for the lack of eye strain.
25:21SPEAKERIt's pretty easy on the eyes, I think.
25:23SPEAKER- I do.
25:25SPEAKERIt's funny, I should have gone to the eye doctor
25:28SPEAKERabout the time that the quarantine started
25:30SPEAKERbecause I've noticed that my astigmatism is getting worse.
25:32SPEAKERI'm starting to see vibration.
25:35SPEAKERThe letters look like they're different heights on the page,
25:38SPEAKERwhich is always the,
25:39SPEAKERhey, I need to go get my eyes checked sign for me.
25:41SPEAKERAnd the e-ink, for whatever reason,
25:44SPEAKERit accentuates that and the LCD doesn't.
25:46SPEAKER- Interesting.
25:47SPEAKER- So this also may be a temporary thing,
25:49SPEAKERI guess is what I'm saying, we'll see.
25:51SPEAKER- We're also Kindle only here for e-readers,
25:53SPEAKERso I don't have any experience with Nook's
25:55SPEAKERor other company's products in that vein.
25:59SPEAKERBut I have a question for you,
26:00SPEAKERwhich is outside of the quality of the screen,
26:03SPEAKERwhich I think at this point is quite good, right?
26:04SPEAKEREven the entry-level Paperwhite has the high,
26:08SPEAKERvery high DPI, nice, professional-looking
26:11SPEAKERprint quality text, that sounds fine.
26:14SPEAKERBut outside of that, why do Kindles feel
26:16SPEAKERlike they're rooted in 15-year-old technology?
26:22SPEAKERThey're super thick, they're very slow,
26:24SPEAKERthey've got really bad backlight bleed,
26:26SPEAKERlike they're all like a bunch of just like crappy,
26:28SPEAKERlike quality of life problems with Kindles, I feel like.
26:32SPEAKERLike they're incredibly slow to boot for a device
26:35SPEAKERthat essentially only needs to manage downloading
26:38SPEAKERand displaying text.
26:39SPEAKER- Well, I mean, they're really low-
26:41SPEAKER- They're incredibly, is it a power consumption thing?
26:44SPEAKER- Yeah, they're really slow.
26:45SPEAKERI mean, they're intentionally slow
26:46SPEAKERso that the battery lasts two weeks.
26:48SPEAKER- Yeah, I guess so.
26:48SPEAKER- Or a month, like I charge my Kindle maybe once a month.
26:51SPEAKER- Same, same, like the battery life is amazing,
26:53SPEAKERbut I would think they could like ramp it up a little bit
26:55SPEAKERwhen you're using it and then go
26:56SPEAKERinto some kind of standby mode when you're not.
26:58SPEAKERI don't know.
26:59SPEAKER- I feel like that's a category that got good enough
27:01SPEAKERin like 2012 and that we've seen very little-
27:05SPEAKER- Well, so that's kind of what I mean
27:06SPEAKERis that they feel like they have not changed in eight years
27:08SPEAKERand like for the world's largest corporation now,
27:11SPEAKERthat feels like-
27:13SPEAKER- Well, so the one thing that has changed
27:15SPEAKERis on the high end, the thing you get
27:17SPEAKERfrom going from the $70 one to the $200 one
27:20SPEAKERis waterproofness.
27:22SPEAKER- Yeah, that helps.
27:23SPEAKERAs somebody who likes to read at the beach
27:24SPEAKERand at the pool, that was-
27:27SPEAKER- That's true.
27:28SPEAKER- Like I always feel like a jackass
27:30SPEAKERwith a Ziploc bag holding up my Kindle at the beach.
27:33SPEAKER- I've always had the lower costs,
27:35SPEAKERlike I guess paperweight line,
27:37SPEAKERbut I know the high end, what is it?
27:39SPEAKERThe void? - Oasis is the current one.
27:41SPEAKER- Oasis is the, I know that thing is super thin
27:46SPEAKERand probably more usable in some ways, but-
27:48SPEAKER- So this is, we haven't talked about this,
27:50SPEAKERbut I don't like super thin stuff
27:52SPEAKERif it has any kind of weight.
27:53SPEAKERSo when you're looking at,
27:56SPEAKERI was looking at that pocket analog,
27:58SPEAKERwhich is pre-orders are up next week for that thing,
28:01SPEAKERand it looks really uncomfortable to hold
28:03SPEAKERbecause it's so thin.
28:05SPEAKERI like a thicker device.
28:08SPEAKERLike I want a Game Boy thickness device
28:10SPEAKER'cause that thing, my giant claws can wrap around
28:13SPEAKERand be comfortable.
28:13SPEAKER- Something to get a grip on.
28:15SPEAKER- Yeah, like I don't need this everything
28:18SPEAKERto be like paper thin.
28:20SPEAKER- Yeah, that's fair.
28:23SPEAKER- You wanna talk about UPSs?
28:25SPEAKER- You're gonna talk about your nut server?
28:27SPEAKER- No, I was going to. - Yes, I do.
28:29SPEAKER- You don't wanna hear about the nut server?
28:31SPEAKER- Look, we've talked about the nut server a lot.
28:32SPEAKER- Oh man, it's so cool though.
28:35SPEAKERAll right, okay, this is from Andrew.
28:39SPEAKERHowdy, I was just curious what your philosophy was
28:42SPEAKERwhen it came to looking for an uninterruptible power supply.
28:45SPEAKERSo I just have a few broad questions.
28:48SPEAKERWhat electronics do you hook up to it?
28:50SPEAKERHow much power do you look for?
28:52SPEAKERJust enough battery to safely shut everything off
28:54SPEAKERshortly after an interruption
28:55SPEAKERor do you want your stuff to function
28:56SPEAKERfor possibly hours without power?
28:59SPEAKERThis is a good question
29:00SPEAKERthat I was actually just thinking about the other day myself
29:02SPEAKERand I don't know the answer to.
29:04SPEAKERIf I hooked up a UPS to my modem and router,
29:06SPEAKERdoes the internet typically work
29:07SPEAKERif the entire neighborhood and surrounding areas lose power?
29:11SPEAKERI've never actually thought about
29:12SPEAKERwhere the internet to my house gets its power from.
29:16SPEAKERAnd then his last question,
29:17SPEAKERany type of battery to look for in a UPS
29:20SPEAKERand how often do you need to replace or buy a new one?
29:24SPEAKER- So.
29:25SPEAKER- That's a lot of questions.
29:27SPEAKER- I don't, I used to be a UPS guy
29:29SPEAKERand I'm not a UPS guy anymore
29:32SPEAKERbecause the battery maintenance
29:33SPEAKERwas enough of a pain in the ass cost
29:35SPEAKERthat I was just like, you know what?
29:36SPEAKERI'm just gonna take my chances.
29:38SPEAKER- Okay.
29:39SPEAKER- It's probably fine.
29:40SPEAKER- So I just became a UPS guy about six, eight months ago
29:43SPEAKERas we have documented.
29:45SPEAKERSo maybe you're just me several years into the future,
29:48SPEAKERbut like what specifically is like to the,
29:51SPEAKERhere's my real question.
29:52SPEAKERDo the batteries,
29:53SPEAKERlike I haven't had like a major power event.
29:56SPEAKERSo just to set this stuff up,
29:57SPEAKERdo the batteries deteriorate steadily
29:59SPEAKEReven if you don't stress them
30:00SPEAKERby like having to discharge them a lot?
30:02SPEAKER- Lead acid, so the,
30:03SPEAKERit depends whether you have lead acid or lipo,
30:05SPEAKERbut my assumption is unless you spent a buttload of money,
30:08SPEAKERthen you got lead acid batteries in your UPS.
30:10SPEAKER- Yeah.
30:12SPEAKER- And they have, they're good,
30:13SPEAKERlike every other kind of battery,
30:14SPEAKERthey're good for a certain number of charge
30:16SPEAKERand discharge cycles
30:17SPEAKERand the UPS is constantly are conditioning them.
30:21SPEAKERThe problem I had was that when I was doing UPSs,
30:23SPEAKERit was also during the time
30:25SPEAKERthat PC power consumption was spiking.
30:27SPEAKERSo we were going from like a 200 watt max draw
30:30SPEAKERto 700 watt max draw to 1100 watt powers of wires
30:34SPEAKERthat are drawing like 900 Watts under load.
30:36SPEAKER- Was that like the G-Force leaf blower era?
30:38SPEAKER- Yeah, that was like the 5,800 era.
30:41SPEAKERSo basically it was really easy to kill a UPS
30:47SPEAKERby plugging in like a giant CRT
30:49SPEAKERand a big ass gaming computer by,
30:51SPEAKERyou just overdraw the battery
30:53SPEAKERand it would fuck up the chemistry in it.
30:55SPEAKERThen you'd have to buy a new battery
30:56SPEAKERfrom 80 bucks or whatever,
30:58SPEAKERwhich is probably $30 shipping.
30:59SPEAKER- Which is like close to the cost
31:01SPEAKERof a consumer entry level UPS to begin with.
31:04SPEAKER- Well, so the problem, yeah,
31:05SPEAKERthe problem with the UPS is the cost is battery and shipping
31:08SPEAKER'cause they're heavy as hell
31:09SPEAKERand the batteries are a pain in the ass.
31:13SPEAKERSo yeah, I just don't bother anymore.
31:16SPEAKERI looked, when our power was out
31:18SPEAKERand I was in like the internet
31:20SPEAKERand Verizon's batteries for their cell towers conked out
31:23SPEAKERafter two days of no power,
31:26SPEAKERI looked at what it would cost
31:27SPEAKERto do a UPS that would run internet
31:30SPEAKEReven like off and on for a little bit.
31:32SPEAKERAnd the TLDR was that the modem,
31:35SPEAKERmy modem and router draw so much power
31:39SPEAKERthat it's good for maybe two or three hours,
31:43SPEAKERwhich is just not, it's not worth the hassle.
31:47SPEAKERSo I think instead we're gonna do a battery,
31:51SPEAKERbattery and panels when we have to replace our roof
31:53SPEAKERin a couple of years.
31:54SPEAKER- Ooh. - Yeah.
31:55SPEAKER- Get some kind of power wall situation.
31:57SPEAKER- Something like that.
31:58SPEAKERYeah, I don't know if we're gonna do the Tesla one
31:59SPEAKERjust on general principle,
32:01SPEAKERbut it seems like that's the reasonable price
32:04SPEAKERand yeah, so, yeah.
32:06SPEAKER- Yeah.
32:07SPEAKEROh yeah, just to, I guess just to throw my two cents in
32:09SPEAKERon a couple of his questions.
32:11SPEAKERI definitely got it just to gracefully shut everything down
32:13SPEAKERas fast as possible after the power goes out,
32:15SPEAKERnot to actually try to run much of anything on it
32:17SPEAKERfor any period of time.
32:20SPEAKERBut I saw about the same numbers as you
32:22SPEAKERas far as keeping just our basic internet connection active
32:25SPEAKERthat yeah, probably two and a half, three hours tops.
32:28SPEAKER- Yeah. - Which is kind of whatever,
32:30SPEAKERlike that's, if you can't just do without it basically,
32:34SPEAKERlike who cares?
32:35SPEAKER- So on the connection front, if you have fiber,
32:39SPEAKERit might work depending on where the CO
32:41SPEAKERfor the fiber termination is.
32:42SPEAKERIf it terminates in your neighborhood,
32:43SPEAKERit'll conk out whenever the batteries
32:45SPEAKERfor that thing conk out.
32:46SPEAKERIf it's in like a central office someplace,
32:48SPEAKERwhich it can be sometimes, you might be okay.
32:51SPEAKERThe, 'cause like, I don't know if you've ever seen
32:54SPEAKERthe inside of a phone company central office.
32:57SPEAKER- No, I bet it's a nightmare.
32:59SPEAKER- Oh, okay, so there's nightmares of cables on some floors.
33:02SPEAKERAnd then the other floors are just stacks and stacks
33:07SPEAKERand stacks of lead acid batteries piled up in,
33:10SPEAKERor sometimes fuel cells now probably, I don't know,
33:13SPEAKER'cause you can hook those up to natural gas
33:14SPEAKERand generate electricity.
33:15SPEAKERBut yeah, if you're on cable, when the power goes out,
33:23SPEAKERyou're probably hosed.
33:24SPEAKERIf you're on DSL, when the power goes out,
33:25SPEAKERyou're probably hosed.
33:27SPEAKERIf you're on cell phones, sometimes when the power goes out,
33:29SPEAKERyou're hosed, so, you know.
33:31SPEAKER- You forgot to mention the floor of the phone company
33:33SPEAKERwhere they're constantly making human sacrifices
33:36SPEAKERto their dark masters.
33:38SPEAKER- Look, the phone company joke,
33:41SPEAKERwhy do you think they add that extra $5 a month
33:44SPEAKERon every three years is because, you know,
33:46SPEAKERtheir dark Lord Cthulhu requires it.
33:49SPEAKER- Yes, yes, they just need to keep that blood
33:51SPEAKERof the unwashed flowing.
33:54SPEAKERI don't know, I don't know if hatred
33:56SPEAKERfor the phone company traffics now though it did
33:59SPEAKER30 to 50 years ago, but.
34:01SPEAKER- I think Comcast has more than spread their wings.
34:06SPEAKER- Sure, the evils of telecom have changed,
34:10SPEAKERbut they haven't gone away.
34:12SPEAKER- Yeah.
34:13SPEAKER- Oh gosh, I should have had an email lined up for now.
34:18SPEAKERHere's a nice one that's not really a question.
34:20SPEAKERIt's more of a tip from Chris in Arlington.
34:23SPEAKER- I like tips.
34:25SPEAKER- It's about cable organization.
34:26SPEAKERI got rid of my tubs of different cables
34:27SPEAKERand just got one of those cheap closet shoe organizers
34:30SPEAKERto put cables in.
34:32SPEAKERNo longer do I have to dig through the tub,
34:34SPEAKERbut my girlfriend and son can find cables
34:35SPEAKERwithout even having to ask me to dig for one.
34:38SPEAKERHe included a photo.
34:40SPEAKERChris, I don't know what, Will,
34:41SPEAKERI don't know how you feel about this.
34:42SPEAKERI might just make this photo the show art.
34:44SPEAKER- This is brilliant.
34:45SPEAKER- If you think he would be okay with this
34:47SPEAKER'cause it is a thing of beauty.
34:49SPEAKERIt is just a floor to ceiling.
34:50SPEAKERIt's an entire door covered with tidy little pouches
34:54SPEAKERfull of cables that are immaculately organized
34:56SPEAKERand I'm sure just imminently accessible.
35:00SPEAKER- I've not felt like this in a long way.
35:05SPEAKER- I think I might have to steal this idea.
35:06SPEAKERI've got three tubs that I'm relatively happy with.
35:09SPEAKERI feel like I can find most of what I'm looking for,
35:11SPEAKERbut I do have to dig.
35:13SPEAKERThis is pretty nice, man.
35:17SPEAKER- Wow, I'm just overawed with this.
35:20SPEAKERThis is such a good solution to this problem.
35:22SPEAKER- Yeah, it's great.
35:23SPEAKER- Yeah, shout out to Chris.
35:24SPEAKERGood job.
35:28SPEAKER- Yes, I will include this image one way or another,
35:32SPEAKERmaybe in the show notes,
35:33SPEAKERjust 'cause people need to see this take inspiration.
35:36SPEAKER- I would be slightly more impressed if they were labeled.
35:39SPEAKER- Yeah. - I'll be honest.
35:40SPEAKER- Yeah, but I mean, I see there's a,
35:43SPEAKERit looks like a Wii component cable down here in the bottom.
35:47SPEAKERThis is some good work.
35:50SPEAKER- It's good stuff, for sure.
35:51SPEAKER- Yeah.
35:52SPEAKER- Speaking of good work, here is an email from Ben.
35:57SPEAKERReally enjoying the show.
35:58SPEAKERAnd last week's trip down memory lane was a lot of fun.
36:01SPEAKERIf you point your Gopher client of choice,
36:03SPEAKERyou have a Gopher client of choice, right?
36:06SPEAKER- Is it Gopher?
36:07SPEAKER- Yeah, probably.
36:08SPEAKER- Yeah, okay then. - At this point.
36:09SPEAKEROr that one web-based one you can find.
36:12SPEAKERActually, I went to my NAS
36:13SPEAKERand totally installed a Gopher client
36:15SPEAKERafter that episode last week.
36:16SPEAKER- Oh no.
36:17SPEAKER- I haven't actually used it yet.
36:19SPEAKERAlso, we really all need to start playing
36:20SPEAKERLegend of the Red Dragon.
36:21SPEAKERAnyway.
36:24SPEAKER- I'm down to play.
36:25SPEAKERI'm down to play that.
36:26SPEAKER- We should all play Lorde.
36:28SPEAKERIf you point your Gopher client of choice
36:29SPEAKERat gopher colon slash slash gopher.hardill,
36:34SPEAKERthat's H-A-R-D-I-L-L dot me dot UK,
36:40SPEAKERyou should find my entry to the challenge
36:42SPEAKERof podcast delivery via Gopher.
36:45SPEAKERIt needs a little bit more work to extract the descriptions
36:47SPEAKERfor each episode as well as the MP3,
36:49SPEAKERbut I'll probably get that done before the next episode
36:52SPEAKERat the weekend.
36:55SPEAKER- Wow. - He did it.
36:58SPEAKER- I've just installed, there's a Gopher client
37:00SPEAKERfor Windows called Simple Gopher Client by Shipwreck Software.
37:03SPEAKER- Are you gonna test it right now?
37:04SPEAKER- I'm launching it.
37:05SPEAKER- Okay, live Gopher test.
37:08SPEAKER- Live Gopher test.
37:09SPEAKERI can't figure out how to work this.
37:10SPEAKER- Just gonna dig up the yard of the internet.
37:13SPEAKERThat's...
37:14SPEAKER- URL, there we go. - Probably where the Gopher...
37:16SPEAKERActually, do you think that is
37:17SPEAKERwhere the Gopher name came from?
37:18SPEAKERIt's like, it conjures images of tunneling
37:22SPEAKERand digging for things and networking tunnels together?
37:28SPEAKER- This. - Help me out here.
37:30SPEAKER- This is so good. - Yeah?
37:32SPEAKERHow's it look?
37:33SPEAKER- I'm reading Ben's blog right now,
37:35SPEAKERbut I'm reading it in Gopher.
37:37SPEAKER- Did you find the podcast?
37:39SPEAKER- Yeah.
37:41SPEAKERYep. - All right.
37:42SPEAKER- Episode 45, the no tonsil stone zone.
37:44SPEAKERPC gamers West Finland stops by to talk about
37:46SPEAKERturning an old PC into a new router.
37:48SPEAKERWhy would you want to roll your own router
37:50SPEAKERin the first place?
37:51SPEAKERWhat are your hardware and software options to do so?
37:53SPEAKERWhat kind of fancy new network stuff
37:54SPEAKERyou need to do with it?
37:55SPEAKERThe answers lie within.
37:57SPEAKER- You need to read it. - Support the pod.
37:58SPEAKER- You need to read it in more of a pixelated font voice.
38:01SPEAKER- It's courier new, man.
38:02SPEAKERThis text is the same width regardless of whether...
38:06SPEAKER- Oh man, fuck. - I just downloaded...
38:09SPEAKER- Let's not even start talking about monospace fonts.
38:11SPEAKEROh my God.
38:12SPEAKER- Oh man. - I swear.
38:13SPEAKERAfter switching to the new Windows terminal,
38:15SPEAKERI spent so much time going through fonts
38:17SPEAKERtrying to find something I could live with.
38:21SPEAKER- So let's see.
38:22SPEAKERI think it only downloaded 50 megabytes of the file though.
38:25SPEAKER- Okay, well work has to be done.
38:27SPEAKER- Nope, sorry, 500 kilobytes, my bad.
38:30SPEAKER- This podcast is too extreme for gopher.
38:32SPEAKER- Yeah, we're keeping it real at a high level here.
38:35SPEAKER- Decades old protocols cannot accommodate
38:37SPEAKERthe work that we are doing here.
38:38SPEAKER- Oh, I'm amazed.
38:40SPEAKERI love this so much.
38:41SPEAKER- That's cool. - Thank you, Ben.
38:43SPEAKER- That's good stuff.
38:45SPEAKER- He's now my favorite Ben.
38:46SPEAKERCongratulations, Ben.
38:48SPEAKER- Dang, man.
38:49SPEAKERI know a lot of Bens all of a sudden.
38:51SPEAKERI didn't know a single Ben for my entire life
38:53SPEAKERuntil the last like four or five years.
38:55SPEAKERAnd now I know a large number, let's say,
39:01SPEAKERbecause there was a Ben wave.
39:03SPEAKER- It was like Ben boom back in the mid nineties.
39:05SPEAKER- The great Ben wave of '89.
39:09SPEAKER- Yep.
39:10SPEAKER- All right.
39:13SPEAKER- We did, god, fucking time has no meaning anymore.
39:16SPEAKERWhen did we do tech horror stories?
39:18SPEAKER- Gina has a, it was the end of last month, I think.
39:22SPEAKER- What's her theory?
39:23SPEAKER- Gina has a theory about this.
39:25SPEAKERShe thinks that instead of,
39:27SPEAKERbecause all the days are exactly the same,
39:29SPEAKERsleeping is now just like a nap.
39:31SPEAKERSo like if you have a four day project,
39:33SPEAKERit could be a one day project with three naps in between.
39:36SPEAKER- You know what, that is about the best description
39:39SPEAKERof this lifestyle as I have heard so far,
39:42SPEAKER'cause that is pretty much exactly accurate.
39:44SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah.
39:45SPEAKERSo we've been doing a lot of multi-day projects
39:47SPEAKERand they seem like they go really fast.
39:49SPEAKER- Like days are kind of whatever.
39:50SPEAKERLike what is, I mean, sometimes it's light outside,
39:53SPEAKERsometimes it's not, but who cares?
39:55SPEAKERIt's all the same.
39:56SPEAKER- I went to bed at three o'clock last night.
39:56SPEAKERI couldn't sleep, I was awake,
39:58SPEAKERI was doing something productive.
39:59SPEAKERThat's fine, right?
40:00SPEAKER- All the same shit at this point.
40:03SPEAKERAnyway.
40:05SPEAKER- We had some good horror stories since the TLDR here.
40:08SPEAKER- Yes, we've gotten a few more.
40:13SPEAKERAnd I was gonna read a couple of them.
40:14SPEAKER- I love it.
40:15SPEAKER- What say you, okay.
40:17SPEAKERExcept I totally lost.
40:20SPEAKERTalk amongst yourself for two seconds.
40:26SPEAKERWait, nevermind, I'm sorry, I saved you.
40:29SPEAKERYou don't have to worry about it, found it.
40:32SPEAKERAll right, here's one from Riley.
40:35SPEAKER"I used to work for a large corporation
40:37SPEAKER"at their electronics materials division
40:41SPEAKER"at a site that produced, among other things,
40:43SPEAKER"sputtering targets for processor manufacturing.
40:46SPEAKER"Before I get any deeper into this email,
40:48SPEAKER"have you ever heard the term sputtering target?"
40:50SPEAKER- Yep.
40:50SPEAKER- 'Cause that was a new one on me, is there?
40:51SPEAKER- Ask me if I know what it means.
40:53SPEAKER- So do you know what sputtering target means?
40:55SPEAKER- Nope.
40:55SPEAKER- Okay, I'm gonna type sputtering target into,
40:58SPEAKERI mean, I've inferred what it means
41:00SPEAKERfrom the rest of this email, but I don't know.
41:01SPEAKER- I think it spits stuff at the disc
41:04SPEAKERto apply a thin layer of metal, but I don't know for sure.
41:06SPEAKER- Okay, I was really just curious
41:07SPEAKERwhere the sputtering part came in,
41:09SPEAKERbut yeah, maybe it's just something
41:10SPEAKERabout the action of the process.
41:12SPEAKERAnyway, Riley works at a site that produced,
41:17SPEAKERamong other things, sputtering targets
41:18SPEAKERfor processor manufacturing,
41:19SPEAKERthe target being the large disc of metal
41:22SPEAKERthat is transferred onto the wafers layer by layer
41:24SPEAKERto build the processor.
41:26SPEAKERWe control the alloys down to parts per billion,
41:31SPEAKERour site being one of only a few in the world,
41:34SPEAKERthat could produce 99.99999% copper,
41:39SPEAKERor seven nines as we called it internally.
41:43SPEAKER- That's a lot of nines.
41:44SPEAKER- The machinery that produces the processors
41:46SPEAKERcan be identical at different manufacturers.
41:49SPEAKERSo two sputtering targets can be dimensionally the same,
41:51SPEAKERbut going to two different companies,
41:54SPEAKERthe alloy is usually different between manufacturers.
41:58SPEAKEREach has their own special atomic sauce.
42:01SPEAKERSo one day in our facility,
42:02SPEAKERsomeone put two dimensionally the same targets
42:05SPEAKERon the same workspace.
42:06SPEAKEROne was for Intel and the other for Texas Instruments.
42:09SPEAKERSo the alloys were similar in appearance,
42:11SPEAKERbut vastly different on the parts per billion scale.
42:15SPEAKERThe two targets should never have been on the same workspace,
42:17SPEAKERbut every industry has that person.
42:21SPEAKER- No.
42:22SPEAKER- That person is in near quotes.
42:24SPEAKERSo the targets got mixed up
42:25SPEAKERand shipped to the wrong processor manufacturers,
42:28SPEAKERone of whom installed and ran it.
42:30SPEAKER$5 million in failed processors was the result.
42:34SPEAKER- Oh, wow.
42:36SPEAKER- That's a harsh one.
42:38SPEAKER- You think that's a...
42:39SPEAKER- I think that's the most expensive one we've gotten.
42:41SPEAKER- Yes, by far, that's the only instance
42:44SPEAKERI know of somebody joining the 5 million club.
42:47SPEAKER- We had a couple of seven figure clubs,
42:48SPEAKERbut I think they were mostly on the low ones.
42:51SPEAKER- You think that's a, is that a career ender?
42:53SPEAKER- No, so the big takeaway from all of this is that
42:57SPEAKERif you work someplace that's decent
42:58SPEAKERand you make a mistake that costs a million dollars,
43:01SPEAKERit's probably the problem with the processor
43:03SPEAKERthat let you do that mistake.
43:04SPEAKER- It's the learning experience, yes.
43:06SPEAKER- Yeah, and that they shouldn't have,
43:09SPEAKERyou should not have been allowed to make a mistake
43:10SPEAKERthat was that costly.
43:12SPEAKERThe other thing we learned from that episode,
43:14SPEAKERwell, we learned two other things.
43:16SPEAKEROne is that if you're in,
43:17SPEAKERare we gonna do the operating room IT thing?
43:19SPEAKER- Oh, we can.
43:20SPEAKER- We don't have to.
43:21SPEAKERWe got a bunch of emails about this.
43:23SPEAKERIt was maybe the most things we've ever gotten email about.
43:25SPEAKERYou only have to scrub in if you're gonna touch somebody,
43:29SPEAKERbut if you're in the operating room
43:30SPEAKERwhile somebody is being operated on,
43:31SPEAKERyou probably do have to put on clean scrubs.
43:33SPEAKER- Sterile garments.
43:35SPEAKER- Hair covering and maybe a mask,
43:37SPEAKERdepending on what kind of surgery it is.
43:41SPEAKERAnyway, yeah.
43:42SPEAKER- I will say this email does imply
43:44SPEAKERthat this particular instance was negligent.
43:48SPEAKERLet's say.
43:51SPEAKER- Yes, I think the bigger,
43:54SPEAKERthere was a big conversation in the Discord about this
43:56SPEAKERwhen this episode was fresh.
43:57SPEAKERAnd the basic upshot was from people
44:01SPEAKERwho work in like chip fabs and places like that,
44:03SPEAKERthat if you were allowed to move the thing
44:06SPEAKERin a way that it wasn't labeled properly
44:08SPEAKERand wasn't denoted which one it was,
44:12SPEAKERbut it was otherwise functionally identical,
44:14SPEAKERthe process was the problem, not the employee.
44:18SPEAKERPeople make mistakes.
44:19SPEAKERYou should build your processes
44:20SPEAKERto assume that people are gonna make mistakes.
44:22SPEAKER- Yeah, that's fair.
44:23SPEAKER- And this person should be fired into the sun, clearly.
44:25SPEAKER- Obviously, get the catapult ready.
44:27SPEAKER- Right, turn their remains into a bunch of TI-99 4As.
44:31SPEAKER- Do you think it's possible to build a catapult
44:33SPEAKERcapable of achieving escape velocity?
44:37SPEAKER- I'm pretty sure there's a TV show
44:38SPEAKERthat would have talked about that if it was possible.
44:41SPEAKER- Oh, I can't imagine.
44:43SPEAKERI don't think, how would you,
44:45SPEAKERlike the amount of, 'cause the problem isn't,
44:48SPEAKERthe problem is an instantaneous thrust.
44:50SPEAKERWell, okay.
44:52SPEAKERSo yes, you can fire something fast enough
44:55SPEAKERthat it would probably leave the atmosphere,
44:57SPEAKERbut could somebody be on it and survive?
44:59SPEAKERNo, they'd be--
45:00SPEAKER- Quickly, I said catapult.
45:02SPEAKERLike I'm sure you could build like a rail gun or something.
45:05SPEAKER- Well, but like you need constant thrust.
45:07SPEAKER- Sufficiently advanced, right?
45:08SPEAKERWell, okay, that's fair.
45:09SPEAKER- Yeah, like momentary thrust doesn't do
45:12SPEAKERas much as you'd think.
45:13SPEAKERThis is why like ion engines are good, right?
45:16SPEAKERIt's 'cause you can do a little tiny bit of thrust
45:17SPEAKERover a really long period of time
45:19SPEAKERand that's way more efficient.
45:20SPEAKER- Obviously, I mean, I should preface this
45:22SPEAKERby saying I'm not an engineer.
45:24SPEAKERI would assume you could achieve a speed high enough
45:26SPEAKERto overcome any degradation in velocity before you got out,
45:30SPEAKERright?
45:31SPEAKERThat would be extremely fast.
45:33SPEAKER- So I'm not an engineer either,
45:34SPEAKERbut I played a lot of Kerbal Space Program, so--
45:37SPEAKER- Basically the same thing.
45:38SPEAKER- Yeah, it's pretty much.
45:40SPEAKERLike the thing is the air, when you're at low altitudes,
45:44SPEAKERthe friction due to the air is such
45:48SPEAKERthat you're not gonna be able to accelerate.
45:50SPEAKERLike you're gonna reach terminal velocity
45:52SPEAKERin the air pretty quickly.
45:54SPEAKERAnd then once you get to the point that the air thins out,
45:56SPEAKERyou need some additional thrust to keep accelerating
45:58SPEAKERas the air gets thinner and you can accelerate easier.
46:02SPEAKERSo I think, no, I don't think you can build a catapult
46:04SPEAKERthat'll fire you into even some,
46:06SPEAKEReven some more, you can make a suborbital catapult.
46:09SPEAKERI don't think you can do a suborbital catapult
46:12SPEAKERthat will go to space.
46:14SPEAKER- That was a mouthful.
46:15SPEAKER- That's my final answer, Brad.
46:16SPEAKER- That was a mouthful.
46:17SPEAKER- Yeah.
46:18SPEAKER- Suborbital catapult, man, that's a tough one.
46:20SPEAKER- Suborbital catapult, catapult, suborbital shit.
46:24SPEAKER- Suborbital, executive mobile.
46:28SPEAKER- Hey, I feel personally attacked now.
46:30SPEAKER- Suborbital caterpillar.
46:32SPEAKERI don't know why caterpillar has to come out there.
46:34SPEAKERThere, yes.
46:35SPEAKERAll right.
46:38SPEAKERHere's one more horror story,
46:41SPEAKERwhich does not have a name on it.
46:44SPEAKER- Probably best.
46:45SPEAKER- That's fun.
46:46SPEAKERI don't, they don't, they don't describe this
46:48SPEAKERas their mistake.
46:49SPEAKERI was listening this week and the talk about
46:51SPEAKERdrive shredding trucks that come to you reminded me of this.
46:55SPEAKERI worked for Apple for a while,
46:56SPEAKERand obviously we have lots of old phones around.
46:59SPEAKERIn the back of our repair area, we had a shred bin.
47:03SPEAKERNow this bin had its drop-in slot on the top
47:05SPEAKERwith a little slant down.
47:08SPEAKERIt was right next to the bathroom too.
47:10SPEAKERSo one day a tech is walking with an old phone
47:12SPEAKERmeant for our e-waste or disposal pile,
47:14SPEAKERall of which was sent back to Apple
47:16SPEAKERand had to go to the bathroom.
47:18SPEAKERSo they put their phone on the shred bin
47:20SPEAKERand it fell in because it was junk.
47:23SPEAKERIt was forgotten.
47:24SPEAKER- Oh no.
47:26SPEAKER- Later that day, and so they didn't mention this,
47:29SPEAKERbut I gather that the bin they're talking about
47:30SPEAKERis actually a paper shredding bin,
47:32SPEAKERnot a phone shredding bin.
47:35SPEAKER- Look, shredding a phone is a,
47:38SPEAKERshredding some electronics is,
47:39SPEAKERshredding stuff with batteries is a bad idea.
47:41SPEAKER- Yeah, I just wanted to clarify that.
47:44SPEAKERLater that day, the paper shred truck
47:46SPEAKERcame to shred all of our paper.
47:48SPEAKERIf you aren't aware, shredded paper is insanely flammable.
47:53SPEAKERIt's why most household paper shredders-
47:55SPEAKER- Wait, is it flammable or inflammable?
47:57SPEAKER- Well, I don't know.
47:59SPEAKERI'll read on, you be the judge.
48:00SPEAKER- Okay.
48:01SPEAKER- If you aren't aware, shredded paper is insanely flammable.
48:04SPEAKERThat's why most household paper shredders
48:06SPEAKERhave a ton of safety mechanisms
48:08SPEAKERbecause not only are these small pieces of paper
48:10SPEAKERobviously combustible,
48:12SPEAKERthe paper dust is basically aerosolized fire starter.
48:15SPEAKER- Yeah.
48:16SPEAKER- So the truck comes, it grabs the paper,
48:18SPEAKERthree minutes later, the entire huge truck
48:20SPEAKERis burning so hot, the metal fused into the asphalt.
48:24SPEAKER- Oh shit.
48:26SPEAKER- Apple paid for everything from what I was told
48:28SPEAKERand we got new bins with the slot on the front this time.
48:32SPEAKER- That makes a lot more sense.
48:33SPEAKER- Yeah. - Wow.
48:34SPEAKER- Yeah, that's pretty,
48:36SPEAKERI don't know how much shredded paper
48:38SPEAKERwould you be talking about?
48:39SPEAKERI mean, there's a whole truck, rear end full, right?
48:42SPEAKER- I mean, those trucks are like garbage trucks.
48:44SPEAKERThey roll around, they have a big-
48:46SPEAKER- Right, they're 90% capacity, right?
48:48SPEAKER- Look, they're capacity.
48:49SPEAKER- Yeah, you've been to the shredder porn channels
48:52SPEAKERon YouTube, right?
48:53SPEAKER- Oh, oh, I mean, obviously I have heard
48:56SPEAKERof the dozen blends type stuff, but-
48:58SPEAKER- Well, they can shred cars.
48:59SPEAKERThey have shredders that are big enough to put cars into.
49:01SPEAKER- Wow.
49:02SPEAKER- Like you can shred anything, it turns out.
49:05SPEAKERBut yeah, I can't imagine,
49:07SPEAKERthat's a terrifying amount of fire.
49:11SPEAKER- It's quite a bit.
49:11SPEAKER- Lithium battery fires are scary
49:13SPEAKEReven without like the added bonus of an enclosed bomb
49:17SPEAKERfull of fuel air bomb, basically.
49:21SPEAKER- Chemicals.
49:22SPEAKER- Yeah, stay away.
49:24SPEAKERThat's my policy.
49:27SPEAKER- Some chemicals are good for us, Fred.
49:29SPEAKER- Like what?
49:30SPEAKER- H2O.
49:32SPEAKER- Oh, okay, you're gonna get me with your dihydrogen monoxide.
49:36SPEAKERI know where this is going.
49:37SPEAKER- Yeah.
49:38SPEAKER- Can't get one over on me.
49:40SPEAKERAll right.
49:42SPEAKERLast email?
49:44SPEAKERLet's call it the last email.
49:46SPEAKERBrad should learn-
49:47SPEAKER- We had a lot of really good emails this month,
49:48SPEAKERby the way.
49:49SPEAKER- Yes, yes we did.
49:50SPEAKER- This is a crop.
49:51SPEAKER- This was like double the amount of time I usually spend,
49:54SPEAKERor we usually spend before this going through these,
49:56SPEAKERtrying to pick out emails 'cause there were so many.
49:59SPEAKERBrad should learn JavaScript,
50:00SPEAKERsigned a Brad who learned a JavaScript.
50:02SPEAKERI looked at his email address, which is impossible to fake,
50:07SPEAKERand it says Brad right there in it.
50:08SPEAKERSo he's telling the truth about at least one half of that.
50:11SPEAKER- Definitely a Brad.
50:12SPEAKER- Yes.
50:13SPEAKERWhat do you think he's, what is he getting at?
50:14SPEAKERWhy is he telling me to learn JavaScript?
50:16SPEAKER- But you said you felt like you should learn how to program
50:18SPEAKERa few episodes ago.
50:19SPEAKER- No, I know that.
50:20SPEAKERNo, I know the sensible reason.
50:22SPEAKER- I think JavaScript is a pretty useful thing to learn.
50:24SPEAKER- What's the real reason?
50:26SPEAKER- Maybe he wants more Brad's and maybe he has a Usenet group
50:29SPEAKERfor Brad's we're into JavaScript.
50:31SPEAKER(laughing)
50:32SPEAKERIt's like alt.JavaScript, that's alt.Brad, .Brad, .Brad.
50:36SPEAKER- Alt.Programming, .JavaScript, .Brads, .Gotta, .Stick, .Together.
50:42SPEAKER- Yeah.
50:43SPEAKER- I guess.
50:44SPEAKER- I think you should like, it's funny.
50:47SPEAKERLike the, it seems like the learning to program languages
50:50SPEAKERthese days are JavaScript or Python.
50:52SPEAKER- Yes.
50:53SPEAKER- Right?
50:54SPEAKEROr I mean, some people still do see, I suppose, but.
50:56SPEAKER- Yeah, well, that's such a lower level
50:58SPEAKERand more involved thing.
50:59SPEAKER- Yeah.
51:00SPEAKER- If you just want to get off the ground
51:01SPEAKERand starts producing something useful.
51:05SPEAKEROne of those, although I saw engineers maligning JavaScript
51:09SPEAKERthis very day about something.
51:12SPEAKER- It's not perfect, but it's a scripting language
51:14SPEAKERsince you like, once you learn one scripting language
51:16SPEAKERyou just have to pick up syntax.
51:17SPEAKERLike it's kind of, it seems like it'd be useful.
51:19SPEAKER- Yeah.
51:20SPEAKER- So.
51:21SPEAKER- I, first of all, I've kind of fallen off
51:23SPEAKERthe programming thing.
51:23SPEAKERCause I haven't thought of a good project to apply it to
51:26SPEAKERwhich I've found is something I need.
51:28SPEAKER- I have a really good project.
51:29SPEAKERBut I haven't had time to dig into it.
51:31SPEAKERI'm not going to talk about it here.
51:32SPEAKERIt's too good.
51:33SPEAKER- That's fair.
51:33SPEAKER- I emailed it to myself.
51:34SPEAKER(laughing)
51:35SPEAKER- That's fair.
51:36SPEAKERI was looking at like Python seemed like a sensible place
51:38SPEAKERto start for if and when I actually do get
51:40SPEAKERinto that stuff a little bit.
51:41SPEAKER- Well, yeah, especially given like the most
51:43SPEAKERof the stuff you'd be starting with probably is NAS related
51:46SPEAKERand being able to run Python scripts is pretty easy.
51:49SPEAKER- Yes.
51:49SPEAKER- Did you know that I, I don't know how I ended up on this.
51:51SPEAKERI found a Rivers Cuomo of Weezer has a GitHub account
51:55SPEAKERand he codes.
51:58SPEAKER- What?
51:59SPEAKER- I'm not even, I'm not even a huge Weezer fan.
52:00SPEAKERLike I.
52:01SPEAKER- I love Weezer.
52:02SPEAKERWeezer is great.
52:03SPEAKER- I, you know, I, I loved the blue album
52:04SPEAKERwhen I was in high school, but that's about it.
52:06SPEAKER- Now the blue album, wow.
52:08SPEAKEROkay, nevermind.
52:10SPEAKER- Anyway.
52:10SPEAKER- It was a college album for me, but okay.
52:12SPEAKER- Yeah.
52:13SPEAKER- It was probably like a preschool album
52:14SPEAKERfor some people listening to this.
52:16SPEAKERSo that works both ways, but I should send you that.
52:19SPEAKERIt's weird.
52:20SPEAKERLike there's something on there that he seemed to use
52:23SPEAKERfor to help them out on tour with like location stuff.
52:27SPEAKERAnd also he writes.
52:28SPEAKER- That's awesome.
52:29SPEAKER- He also seems to scribble lyrics
52:30SPEAKERin the comments of his Python.
52:32SPEAKER- If your parents were, if you were conceived
52:35SPEAKERwhile your parents were listening to the blue album,
52:37SPEAKERlet us know.
52:38SPEAKER- Some weird, weird rock stars with GitHub accounts
52:42SPEAKERwriting code is my dystopian cyberpunk fetish.
52:47SPEAKERI don't know.
52:48SPEAKER- Like, I don't know what it is,
52:49SPEAKERbut there's something really appealing
52:50SPEAKERabout famous people doing normal nerd shit.
52:54SPEAKER- Yeah.
52:55SPEAKER- Is it like self promoting?
52:56SPEAKER- It is humanizing in some way, for sure.
52:58SPEAKERAbsolutely.
53:00SPEAKERThey're just like us.
53:02SPEAKER- Yeah.
53:03SPEAKERNerds, if, hey, look, if Rivers Cuomo could be
53:05SPEAKERthe biggest nerd in the world,
53:06SPEAKERwe'd love to have him on the show.
53:07SPEAKERRivers, if you're listening, call us.
53:09SPEAKERWe'll, we'll have you on.
53:11SPEAKERWe can talk about your GitHub. - Stars, they're just like us.
53:13SPEAKERThey go grocery shopping.
53:14SPEAKERThey eat ice cream cones.
53:15SPEAKERThey write Python.
53:16SPEAKER- We, do you, at Maximum PC, do you have any idea
53:20SPEAKERhow much mental bandwidth we spent on the stars
53:22SPEAKERor just like us page on us weekly?
53:24SPEAKER- Wait, did you actually hit, wait.
53:26SPEAKEROh, I thought you were gonna say you guys had one of those.
53:28SPEAKER- No, no, no.
53:29SPEAKERWe like, so my boss at the time who was one
53:33SPEAKERof Jeff's former bosses, Jeff Gerstmann's former bosses,
53:38SPEAKERit was obsessed with that.
53:39SPEAKER'Cause he looked at it as like the perfect front of book
53:42SPEAKERslash last page thing in a magazine.
53:46SPEAKERLike it's fluff.
53:48SPEAKERIt's sticky.
53:49SPEAKERIt's light.
53:49SPEAKERIt's surprisingly thoughtful.
53:52SPEAKERLike it's, it's, it's always, it's the kind of thing
53:54SPEAKERthat like if you get an us weekly, everybody looks at.
53:57SPEAKERLike it's the 100% page.
53:59SPEAKERThe one that everybody who, who picks up that magazine
54:01SPEAKERtakes a look at it to see what, you know,
54:03SPEAKERwhat Britney Spears is doing at, at, at Target
54:06SPEAKERat 10 o'clock at night.
54:07SPEAKERAnd we talked about how to make more magazine pages
54:12SPEAKERthat were like that, like in, in terms of magazine craft,
54:15SPEAKERa lot, it was a, it was a key thing.
54:17SPEAKER- Yeah.
54:18SPEAKER- But the email address is techpod@content.town.
54:21SPEAKERIf you would like to send us an email,
54:23SPEAKERwe would love to hear from you.
54:24SPEAKER- And you would, you would like to send us an email.
54:27SPEAKER- Yeah, send us an email or else.
54:29SPEAKER- You're getting very sleepy.
54:33SPEAKERAnd then you will write us an email.
54:35SPEAKERThat's my, that's my attempt to mask hypnosis.
54:39SPEAKER- I'm really sleepy, Brad.
54:40SPEAKERI can't, I can't go on, but, but before we leave,
54:43SPEAKERwe have to thank the patrons.
54:45SPEAKER'Cause it's the last episode of the month
54:46SPEAKERand there's a whole bunch of them, I think.
54:50SPEAKERSo I realize now that we might've not done that last week.
54:52SPEAKERI can't remember, but as always,
54:55SPEAKERwe would like to thank our executive tier,
54:58SPEAKERexecutive producer patrons, Andrew Cotton, David Allen,
55:02SPEAKERJacob Chappell and Kurt Brownridge, as well
55:05SPEAKERas our associate producer, associate,
55:07SPEAKERassociate producer patrons, Arthur Geese, CJ Rebada,
55:12SPEAKERDan Brockman, Dave Julian, Graham Banks,
55:16SPEAKERJad Rita, Sam Buck, The Bunny Fiend, Thomas Shay.
55:20SPEAKERI had Thomas Shay, that's it.
55:22SPEAKERI realized we did this last week.
55:23SPEAKERIt wasn't actually the last episode of the month.
55:26SPEAKERSo- - Bonus, bonus acknowledgement.
55:28SPEAKER- Associate patrons get double acknowledged this month.
55:30SPEAKERYou're welcome.
55:31SPEAKER- See, that's what happens when you support this podcast.
55:33SPEAKERYou get four for your money.
55:36SPEAKER- Wait, no, this is the first episode of the next month.
55:38SPEAKERWe've doubled, we've doubled thanked.
55:40SPEAKEROh, well, that's fine.
55:41SPEAKER- Thank you, thank you, thank you to everyone.
55:43SPEAKERYes, thank you to everyone. - But these patrons,
55:45SPEAKERyeah, they're good enough, they're worth thanking twice.
55:47SPEAKER- Absolutely.
55:47SPEAKER- And thanks to everybody who supports the Tech Pod.
55:49SPEAKERIf you wanna find out how you can support the show,
55:51SPEAKERyou can go to patreon.com/techpod.
55:55SPEAKERAnd if you sign up, even at the lowest $2 level,
55:59SPEAKERyou can get access to the Tech Pod Discord,
56:00SPEAKERwhich is a fantastic, wonderful community of nerds,
56:04SPEAKERjust like you, who want to learn more
56:06SPEAKERabout the way the world around them works.
56:08SPEAKERAnd there's constant sharing of information.
56:13SPEAKERThere was a really extended,
56:15SPEAKERentirely too in-depth conversation about how much latency,
56:18SPEAKERdifferent types of splitters,
56:20SPEAKERand different ways of capturing video,
56:22SPEAKERadd to your video streams.
56:26SPEAKERAnd we had experts from three different-
56:28SPEAKER- Yes, yes, there were multiple disciplines
56:31SPEAKERstarted weighing in on that conversation.
56:33SPEAKER- At one point I was like,
56:34SPEAKER"You know who's gonna know about this?
56:34SPEAKER"The fighting game guy."
56:36SPEAKERSo we called him the fighting game guy.
56:38SPEAKER- People that work in video production,
56:40SPEAKERpeople that program.
56:42SPEAKER- People who write low-level GPU code.
56:45SPEAKER- Graphics programming backgrounds.
56:48SPEAKER- It was rad.
56:48SPEAKER- It is very entertaining, indeed.
56:51SPEAKER- And that stuff is happening now.
56:52SPEAKERIt seems like we have enough people around the world
56:54SPEAKERthat when I was up at four o'clock last night,
56:56SPEAKERthe Discord was still popping.
56:58SPEAKERPeople still in there chatting.
56:59SPEAKER- It is a surprisingly international audience,
57:01SPEAKERwhich I always extremely appreciate,
57:03SPEAKER'cause I love both absorbing culture
57:07SPEAKERand also getting different perspectives
57:09SPEAKERfrom people who live in different places.
57:10SPEAKER- Yeah, the Australians are down with their knife-y spoon-y
57:13SPEAKERworking the night shift.
57:13SPEAKERSo that'll do it for us this week.
57:17SPEAKERPatreon exclusive episode should be out now.
57:20SPEAKERAnd you can hear that at patreon.com/techpod.
57:23SPEAKERBrad, it's always a pleasure.
57:24SPEAKER- Yeah, thank you.
57:26SPEAKER- I hope you get your humidity stitched under control.
57:28SPEAKER- Ah, it's so sticky in here.
57:29SPEAKER- It's moist.
57:30SPEAKER- It's gross.
57:31SPEAKERIt's not even hot.
57:31SPEAKERIt's like, it's just damp.
57:32SPEAKERIt's like, it's a 70 to 73 degrees kind of situation,
57:37SPEAKERbut it's just so damp.
57:38SPEAKER- The worst thing, I hate getting up in the morning
57:41SPEAKERand my feet hitting the hardwood
57:43SPEAKERand it being like moist.
57:46SPEAKER- It's just sticky.
57:47SPEAKER- Like clammy.
57:47SPEAKERUgh.
57:48SPEAKER- Ugh.
57:50SPEAKER- Yeah, I'm gonna go wash my sheets.
57:51SPEAKERSee y'all next week.
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