43: Sigh Ops

00:00SPEAKER- There's nothing I love more than a desk picture.

00:02SPEAKERI mean, that's not really true.

00:04SPEAKERLike for the purposes of this intro,

00:06SPEAKERlet's say photos of people's desks

00:08SPEAKERare a few of my favorite things.

00:10SPEAKER- Creme brulee, sex, desk pictures.

00:16SPEAKER- When the dog bites, when the bee stings,

00:19SPEAKERjust send me photos of your desk.

00:22SPEAKERThen I'll be feeling glad.

00:23SPEAKER- They make me really anxious.

00:25SPEAKER- Why, why?

00:27SPEAKER- My desk has never been ever,

00:31SPEAKEReven after it's immediately been cleaned,

00:33SPEAKERtidy enough that I would feel comfortable

00:35SPEAKERsharing a picture of my desk on the internet.

00:37SPEAKER- I don't want to judge, but-

00:39SPEAKER- No, you should.

00:40SPEAKER- I have seen your desk.

00:42SPEAKER- It's a disaster.

00:43SPEAKER- And man, there's a lot going on.

00:45SPEAKER- Look, I come from a long line of messy desk people.

00:48SPEAKERMy dad's a messy desk person.

00:49SPEAKERMy grandfather's a messy desk person.

00:51SPEAKERMy other grandfather also was a messy desk person.

00:54SPEAKER- Ah, this just means you're too busy working

00:56SPEAKERand doing stuff to tidy.

00:58SPEAKER- But now I'm looking at everybody's really nice, clean,

01:01SPEAKERminimalist bullshit desks.

01:02SPEAKERAnd I'm like, fuck man, I could see four game pads

01:05SPEAKERfrom where I'm sitting.

01:06SPEAKERThere's like, I got a Wii U game pad right over there.

01:08SPEAKER- You don't have a set of drawers?

01:11SPEAKER- No, I don't have drawers for that stuff.

01:12SPEAKER- I also have one, two, at least three controllers here,

01:15SPEAKERbut they're all in a drawer under my desk.

01:17SPEAKER- Well, my drawers-

01:20SPEAKER- Oh, oh no.

01:23SPEAKER- So that, my middle drawer, the one that I use the most

01:25SPEAKERhas like the most commonly used tools.

01:27SPEAKERIt has like wire snips and needle nose pliers

01:31SPEAKERand wire strippers and stuff like that.

01:32SPEAKER- Oh, you've got a maker desk.

01:34SPEAKER- Yeah, the one on the left is a bunch of notebooks.

01:36SPEAKERIt's like all my empty notebooks

01:39SPEAKERand then also my back notebooks, my project notebooks.

01:42SPEAKER- I feel like if you're making at that desk,

01:44SPEAKERit's a different conversation.

01:46SPEAKER- But I mean, I do everything in this desk.

01:48SPEAKERI eat, I sleep, I solder, I work.

01:53SPEAKERI have a, look at, Brad, I have a pound of dice right here.

01:56SPEAKERThey're right there.

01:57SPEAKER- Just in case.

01:59SPEAKER- They're all sorts of weird shapes too.

02:00SPEAKER- Just in case you need to arrive at some random numbers,

02:02SPEAKERyou've got it covered.

02:04SPEAKER- Look, my daughter wanted some of my good dice

02:06SPEAKERand I was like, here, I have these dice that I got

02:08SPEAKERfor game purposes years ago

02:10SPEAKERand you can have any of these you want

02:11SPEAKER'cause they're not matchy.

02:13SPEAKER- You just have to exercise discipline.

02:15SPEAKERI was like you until about two, three years ago

02:18SPEAKERand then at some point I realized,

02:19SPEAKERhey, it's way better for my mental health

02:21SPEAKERto have a nice tidy area to work in and so--

02:24SPEAKER- Well, I mean, the other problem I have

02:25SPEAKERis that I have a bazillion cables here 'cause I have like--

02:28SPEAKER- Oh, you gotta hide that stuff.

02:30SPEAKER- Where the hell am I gonna, it's impossible.

02:31SPEAKERI can't hide it. - Attach it to the back.

02:33SPEAKERDo you know how much stuff I have out of sight here?

02:36SPEAKER- I mean, your desk is, it's a nightmare.

02:39SPEAKERI walked into your office one day.

02:41SPEAKERI was like, what do you even, do you ever use this room?

02:44SPEAKER- A nightmare, to clarify,

02:46SPEAKERyou mean a nightmare of tidiness and purity, right?

02:49SPEAKER'Cause there is nothing on this desk.

02:51SPEAKER- It's just, I know.

02:53SPEAKERI feel like, it looked like a room

02:55SPEAKERthat no one had ever been in.

02:56SPEAKERYou know how like you go into some people's houses

02:58SPEAKERin the South and they're like, oh, this is our dining room

03:00SPEAKERand it's clear that the only time they eat there

03:01SPEAKERis Easter and Thanksgiving and maybe Christmas?

03:03SPEAKER- It's a layer of dust on the china.

03:05SPEAKER- Yeah, exactly.

03:06SPEAKERThat's what, I thought your desk was one of those.

03:08SPEAKER- Still got the protective plastic on your new sofa.

03:10SPEAKER- Crinkle, crinkle.

03:13SPEAKER- I have got, okay, behind this desk where you can't see,

03:17SPEAKERI've got my NAS, which is a full mini ATX, micro ATX.

03:21SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's fine.

03:22SPEAKER- Full tower.

03:23SPEAKERI've got mounted to the back of my desk.

03:26SPEAKERI've got my router, a network switch, two surge protectors.

03:32SPEAKER- Okay.

03:33SPEAKER- I've got my UPS under there, behind the drawers.

03:37SPEAKERI've got two external hard drives

03:39SPEAKERthat I use to back up my NAS to.

03:41SPEAKER- Okay.

03:42SPEAKER- Underneath the desk, I've got my USB mix amp,

03:46SPEAKERthe volume control for my speakers,

03:47SPEAKERall mounted, a headphone hook.

03:50SPEAKER- Wow.

03:51SPEAKER- I got stuff everywhere, you just can't see it.

03:53SPEAKERIt's the amazing invisible desk setup.

03:55SPEAKER- So part of my problem, I think, is that I'm,

03:59SPEAKERinstead of using like a traditional IKEA type computer desk

04:03SPEAKERwith like a flat surface that you can screw stuff

04:04SPEAKERinto the bottom, I have, my desk is a '50s or '60s

04:09SPEAKERera kindergarten desk. - Oh no, oh no.

04:11SPEAKER- That I put tall legs on, so it's like a huge surface

04:14SPEAKERand it has three drawers in the front

04:16SPEAKERand it's exactly the right height for me.

04:18SPEAKERLike I made, when I took the short little kindergarten legs

04:22SPEAKERoff and put the big legs on, I cut those legs

04:24SPEAKERto be exactly my height.

04:26SPEAKERBut the problem, like the problem is I can't,

04:29SPEAKERI don't have a place to screw stuff in underneath.

04:31SPEAKERI was looking at racks the other day.

04:33SPEAKER- Okay, now you're talking.

04:34SPEAKER- 'Cause I was like, look, I could put the streaming machine

04:37SPEAKERin the rack, I could put the mixer in a rack.

04:40SPEAKER- I see a printer in the background

04:42SPEAKERof your webcam right now.

04:44SPEAKER- That's Gina's printer, but I do use it.

04:46SPEAKER- Regardless of the ownership of the printer,

04:48SPEAKERthat printer could go in a rack.

04:50SPEAKERGet a rack, man. - I don't think the printer

04:51SPEAKERcould go in a rack.

04:52SPEAKER- Organize.

04:53SPEAKER- I don't, no, the printer doesn't,

04:55SPEAKERit needs to have the wings to go in the rack.

04:57SPEAKER- You either need to get a rack or you need to commit

04:58SPEAKERto sticking screws and nails into that desk

05:02SPEAKERbecause you need to mount some stuff.

05:03SPEAKER- Well, no, no, it's not that I can't put the screws in,

05:05SPEAKERit's that if I do, then the drawers won't work

05:07SPEAKERand the drawers are an important part of the desk.

05:11SPEAKER- I don't have a solution for you.

05:11SPEAKER- These are the problems.

05:13SPEAKER- I'm just gonna keep doing my current scheme.

05:15SPEAKER- Well, hey, you've got plenty of time to sit at that desk

05:17SPEAKERand ponder a new layout.

05:18SPEAKERSo I expect a report by next week.

05:22SPEAKER- How are your monitors doing?

05:24SPEAKER- Fine, they're mounted on arms.

05:27SPEAKERDon't contact the desk.

05:29SPEAKERMy beverage, my coffee is sitting directly

05:31SPEAKERunderneath the monitor right now

05:32SPEAKERbecause the monitor hovers in midair.

05:35SPEAKER- That's the other problem I have is that I have,

05:37SPEAKERinstead of having a dual arm monitor,

05:38SPEAKERI have two single arm monitors and I haven't bothered

05:41SPEAKERto put up the second single arm monitor

05:43SPEAKERbecause like it's a pain in the ass.

05:45SPEAKER- Tidy your space, invest in yourself.

05:49SPEAKER- I don't wanna, I'd rather invest in something else.

05:52SPEAKER(upbeat music)

06:13SPEAKER(upbeat music continues)

06:29SPEAKER- Welcome to Brad and Will Made a Tech Pod, I'm Will.

06:33SPEAKER- Brad, hello.

06:34SPEAKER- Hi Brad, I almost messed up the tense there

06:36SPEAKERand this is the 43rd episode.

06:37SPEAKER- Wait, which tense?

06:39SPEAKER- I almost said make a test pod, test pod, test pod.

06:41SPEAKER- Oh, I thought you were talking about

06:43SPEAKERlike maybe for your introduction, like I was Will.

06:45SPEAKER- Did I say test or did I say tech?

06:47SPEAKER- I used to be Brad, that's the, I'm sorry.

06:50SPEAKERWhat are we even talking about at this point?

06:51SPEAKER- I'm really like, I was up late last night.

06:56SPEAKERThat's pretty much it.

06:57SPEAKER- That's easy to do these days.

06:59SPEAKER- I'm sleepy, yeah.

07:00SPEAKERLike for a while my daughter has gone full nocturnal.

07:04SPEAKERShe's just like 10 o'clock, she's still raring and going.

07:08SPEAKERShe's like, yesterday she got an animal crossing upgrade

07:12SPEAKERon her house and she's like,

07:13SPEAKER"Dad, I'm gonna make 750,000 bells today

07:16SPEAKERso I can upgrade my house tonight."

07:17SPEAKERI was like, I don't think that's possible.

07:19SPEAKER- She's really- - But you know what?

07:20SPEAKERGo for it.

07:21SPEAKER- Putting her summer vacation to work.

07:23SPEAKER- She is-

07:24SPEAKER- We're still in the summer window, right?

07:27SPEAKER- Look, it might be summer vacation forever

07:29SPEAKERthe way the state of California is going right now.

07:31SPEAKER- Does she have any obligations at all with you guys?

07:34SPEAKER- Like last year she did four different summer camps

07:36SPEAKERand like played soccer and had sporting activities.

07:40SPEAKERThis summer she's played 600 hours of Minecraft, I think,

07:45SPEAKERwas the last thing that the Switch told me.

07:47SPEAKERSo yeah, shit's going great over here.

07:49SPEAKER- Yeah. - It's terrific.

07:50SPEAKER- Yeah, gotta do what you can right now.

07:53SPEAKER- Yeah, it's social.

07:54SPEAKERShe has to go play outside for a little bit

07:55SPEAKERbefore she gets to play Minecraft, so there you go.

07:58SPEAKERI don't think it's actually 600.

07:59SPEAKERI think it's like 100 hours just for the record,

08:01SPEAKERbut still it's a lot for a seven-year-old.

08:02SPEAKER- I would have believed it.

08:05SPEAKER- Oh, yeah, that's pretty much, yes,

08:08SPEAKERthat's the title of this episode.

08:12SPEAKER- How do you denote that one?

08:12SPEAKERIs that like a tired sigh?

08:15SPEAKERIs that a-

08:16SPEAKER- I don't know, that one sounded pretty guttural.

08:18SPEAKERI think there would be some Gs and Hs in there.

08:22SPEAKERThere's like a- - Yeah.

08:23SPEAKER- There's a Klingon aspect to the way that one came out.

08:26SPEAKERAll right, what are we-

08:26SPEAKER- Welcome to our new ASMR Scicast.

08:29SPEAKER- What are we talking about this week?

08:30SPEAKER- Well, let's talk about tools.

08:31SPEAKER- Yeah, that was- - And I'm not talking

08:32SPEAKERabout the President of the United States.

08:34SPEAKER- That was your idea for this episode,

08:36SPEAKERand I wasn't quite sure how we were defining tool,

08:38SPEAKERbut then you made a list of some of your ideas,

08:41SPEAKERand I kind of got a sense for it.

08:43SPEAKER- So, okay, so in this context,

08:44SPEAKERI think of a tool as something

08:46SPEAKERthat is not like a major software product, right?

08:50SPEAKERLike not an Adobe Creative,

08:52SPEAKERnot something you find in Creative Suite,

08:53SPEAKERnothing you find in Microsoft Office,

08:54SPEAKERnothing that Google puts in Google Docs.

08:57SPEAKER- Not an application necessarily.

08:59SPEAKERWell, I guess it kind of could be,

09:00SPEAKERbut not a, yeah, like you said, not a suite,

09:02SPEAKERnot something that you pay an annual subscription for.

09:04SPEAKER- Some of these things are what Alton Brown on Sirius Eats

09:07SPEAKERwould have called unitaskers, right?

09:08SPEAKERLike the things that you do that do one thing really well.

09:12SPEAKER- With a little purpose built.

09:14SPEAKER- Yeah.

09:15SPEAKER- Kind of, okay, I get you, yeah, okay.

09:17SPEAKER- It's the kind of stuff that made me excited

09:19SPEAKERabout using the Mac during the Intel switch,

09:22SPEAKERwhen like developers were coming back to Apple

09:23SPEAKERand they were building all sorts of weird BSD apps

09:26SPEAKERthat had like a OS X skin on them

09:29SPEAKERto do all the weird shit, like iPod or X, right?

09:33SPEAKERLike a tool that only exists to take MP3 files

09:37SPEAKERfrom the internet and dump them

09:39SPEAKERonto your spinning hard drive MP3 plug.

09:42SPEAKER- I'm already sitting here thinking of ones

09:43SPEAKERthat I didn't think of before,

09:44SPEAKERlike how about better touch tool for OS X,

09:48SPEAKERor excuse me, Mac OS.

09:49SPEAKER- I don't know what that is.

09:50SPEAKER- Which just lets you bind keyboard shortcuts

09:53SPEAKERto mouse buttons.

09:54SPEAKER- That sounds great, that's perfect.

09:56SPEAKER- Yeah, I put command H on mouse four like eight years ago,

10:00SPEAKERand now I can hide windows like a mother.

10:02SPEAKER- So as with the tech horror stories,

10:07SPEAKERpart of the reason I want to talk about this

10:08SPEAKERis 'cause people always have a bazillion of these,

10:11SPEAKERand I bet most of us haven't heard of most of them.

10:14SPEAKER- This is a very, I never thought about this.

10:15SPEAKERThis is a very self-serving use for this podcast,

10:17SPEAKERis to like seed an idea out there

10:20SPEAKERjust because we want suggestions

10:21SPEAKERand then get people to tell us stuff.

10:23SPEAKER- We share the suggestions, everybody benefits, right?

10:26SPEAKERWe're the conduits for information, Brett.

10:27SPEAKERDon't undersell that value.

10:29SPEAKER- We're trying to democratize good ideas here.

10:32SPEAKER- Yeah, the point is why have one brain work on something

10:35SPEAKERwhen we can have a few thousand brains work on something?

10:37SPEAKERAnd we all benefit as a result.

10:39SPEAKERSo with that in mind, I made a short list of things.

10:43SPEAKERI put Firefox on here,

10:44SPEAKERwhich is a pretty big application at this point,

10:47SPEAKERbut I've switched-- - It's also pretty well known.

10:49SPEAKER- Yeah, everybody knows that,

10:50SPEAKERbut the switching process, which I did last year,

10:54SPEAKERI was worried about, it's not been as bad as I expected.

10:57SPEAKERThe only real problem is that Google apps

11:00SPEAKERwere kind of slow for a while,

11:01SPEAKERbut they seem to be running much better now.

11:03SPEAKERSo Gmail was a little chunky

11:06SPEAKERwhen I first switched over compared to Chrome,

11:08SPEAKERbut either I got used to it or Firefox improved something

11:11SPEAKERor Google stopped doing their bullshit.

11:14SPEAKERSo that's the only big one I have.

11:17SPEAKEROne of them I have is Mouse Without Borders,

11:20SPEAKERwhich is a Microsoft thing.

11:21SPEAKER- I think we touched on just a little bit recently.

11:24SPEAKER- Yeah, it is a, if you're familiar with Synergy,

11:29SPEAKERbasically it's a software KVM.

11:30SPEAKERSo if you have two computers with two monitors on your desk

11:33SPEAKERand you only want to use one keyboard and mouse for them,

11:35SPEAKERyou can run this on both of the Windows machines.

11:38SPEAKERAnd then the mouse moves seamlessly

11:42SPEAKERfrom one monitor to the other.

11:43SPEAKERYou can even copy and paste files

11:45SPEAKERand clipboard stuff and things like that.

11:47SPEAKER- Is it, I mean, I guess the name implies this,

11:49SPEAKERbut is it a screen border-based thing?

11:52SPEAKERLike, is that how you, is that how essentially

11:53SPEAKERyou activate the switch from machine to machine,

11:56SPEAKERis just mousing past the border?

11:59SPEAKER- Yeah, it's just like it's a two monitor situation.

12:01SPEAKER- It's not a hotkey thing.

12:02SPEAKERIt's not like I hit like-

12:03SPEAKER- You can do that.

12:04SPEAKER- Command shift whatever to switch to the other, okay.

12:08SPEAKER- So if you want to do hotkeys, you can.

12:10SPEAKERI do the mouse drag

12:11SPEAKERjust 'cause of the way my monitors are laid out.

12:13SPEAKER- Okay.

12:13SPEAKER- You don't have the kind of granular control

12:15SPEAKERover where the borders are on your monitor,

12:18SPEAKERlike you do with the Windows multi-monitor setup stuff.

12:22SPEAKERBut like, if I move my cursor past the left edge

12:25SPEAKERof my screen, it goes to my streaming PC.

12:27SPEAKER- How fast, is there any perceptible

12:30SPEAKERkind of transition delay or-

12:32SPEAKER- I was playing games with the mouse.

12:34SPEAKERSo I also have a hardware switch on my computer

12:37SPEAKERfor switching back and forth between the two,

12:39SPEAKERthe input between the two computers.

12:41SPEAKERSo sometimes I'm, and it works both ways, which is weird,

12:44SPEAKER'cause like Synergy, you had to have the mouse

12:45SPEAKERon one computer and it would work on the others.

12:47SPEAKERBut if you had a mouse on the other computer,

12:49SPEAKERit didn't work the other way.

12:50SPEAKERThis one does work both ways.

12:52SPEAKERAnd I played games on the gaming PC

12:55SPEAKERacross the mouse without borders connection

12:57SPEAKERand not noticed before.

12:58SPEAKER- You're talking about once you've,

12:59SPEAKERI'm talking about the transition back and forth.

13:01SPEAKERLike, is there any like-

13:02SPEAKER- Instant.

13:03SPEAKER- Really, there's no, you don't notice any,

13:04SPEAKERlike it doesn't have to like negotiate connection

13:07SPEAKERwith the other one for half a second or, okay.

13:08SPEAKER- Yeah, no, there's no lag.

13:10SPEAKERIf you're on wifi, especially if you have crappy wifi,

13:15SPEAKERit could be a little slow, I would bet.

13:17SPEAKER- Okay.

13:18SPEAKER- I saw people complaining about that on the GitHub.

13:19SPEAKER- And you said you can literally drag a file across

13:22SPEAKERand just drop it and it copies?

13:23SPEAKER- So you can't drag and drop a file,

13:25SPEAKERbut you can copy and paste a file.

13:26SPEAKERSo you copy a file in File Explorer and drag it over.

13:29SPEAKERIt handles most stuff, clipboard stuff copies,

13:33SPEAKERlike text copies over, which is awesome if like,

13:35SPEAKER'cause I don't often have one password

13:37SPEAKERrunning on the secondary PC.

13:39SPEAKERSo I can grab a password on the main one and copy it over.

13:41SPEAKERI'm sure it's opening a massive number of security holes,

13:43SPEAKERbut my home network is pretty locked down.

13:46SPEAKERIt's, I'm not too, too worried about it.

13:48SPEAKER- Sure, this is from the Microsoft garage.

13:51SPEAKER- Yeah, it's like a, it's not power toys.

13:53SPEAKERI think I said it was power toys a few weeks ago.

13:55SPEAKERIt's just a thing that this dude has been working on

13:57SPEAKERfor like 20 years now, 15 years now.

13:59SPEAKER- Oh wow, this almost makes me wish

14:03SPEAKERI had two windows machines.

14:04SPEAKERThis sounds incredibly useful.

14:05SPEAKER- It is what I wanted Synergy to be

14:08SPEAKERwithout 90% of the jank.

14:10SPEAKERThe only thing I don't like about it

14:13SPEAKERis if you're playing games that are windowed full screen,

14:17SPEAKERyou can roll off the edge of the monitor real easy.

14:20SPEAKER- I can see that.

14:21SPEAKER- But I think that happens with multi-mon setups too.

14:22SPEAKERSo it's not.

14:24SPEAKER- Yeah, I was, Vinny and I were complaining about that

14:25SPEAKERin Astroneer just yesterday.

14:27SPEAKER- Yeah.

14:28SPEAKER- It's very easy to like accidentally click something

14:31SPEAKERin your OBS window because the cursor just goes flying

14:33SPEAKERout of the game screen.

14:34SPEAKER- Oh no.

14:37SPEAKERSo I just set up hotkeys and I turn it off

14:38SPEAKERwhen I'm playing a game and turn it back on when I'm done.

14:40SPEAKER- Okay.

14:41SPEAKER- Yeah.

14:42SPEAKER- It sounds incredibly useful if you've got a setup

14:43SPEAKERlike you do where you're streaming from a different machine.

14:46SPEAKER- It is, well, but I mean, when I'm streaming

14:48SPEAKERI'm usually playing a game, so it is less useful.

14:52SPEAKER- It's harder to, yeah.

14:53SPEAKER- If I'm doing a maker stream, like I was,

14:55SPEAKERI did a Fusion 360 stream last week

14:57SPEAKERwhere I was building the lid of my Mr. Case

15:00SPEAKERand it was awesome to be able to switch back and forth

15:02SPEAKERbetween working on Fusion and going on to the chat

15:05SPEAKERand all that stuff.

15:06SPEAKER- Yeah, so obviously you need two full PCs

15:09SPEAKERfor this to make sense, but that sounds pretty awesome

15:12SPEAKERif you are in that situation.

15:13SPEAKER- I assume a lot of people right now have like a work PC

15:16SPEAKERin their personal PC on their desk.

15:17SPEAKERAnd if you're allowed to put third-party utilities

15:20SPEAKERon your work PC, this would be a handy thing, I think.

15:23SPEAKER- Who's gonna stop you?

15:25SPEAKER- Well, sometimes the man, they don't let you.

15:27SPEAKER- Yes, the IT man.

15:28SPEAKER- What you got, Brad?

15:30SPEAKER- Do you wanna talk about text syncing?

15:32SPEAKERBecause I've got that on my list

15:33SPEAKERand it sounds like you maybe have a better replacement.

15:36SPEAKER- I have a new thing.

15:37SPEAKER- Okay.

15:38SPEAKER- I don't know if it's better.

15:39SPEAKER- Okay, so I've been using SimpleNote for a very long time.

15:43SPEAKER- Yeah, I use that for years and years too.

15:45SPEAKER- So I mean, it is as soon as the name implies.

15:48SPEAKERIt's just, if you don't know what it is,

15:49SPEAKERit's as simple as can be.

15:50SPEAKERIt is literally just like a cloud-based text syncing.

15:54SPEAKERYou know, it's just a place to store text.

15:55SPEAKER- And you can even use Dropbox and stuff for that, right?

15:58SPEAKER- Can you?

15:59SPEAKER- Maybe not, they have their own protocol, I guess.

16:01SPEAKER- Yeah, I think that's right.

16:02SPEAKERBut I haven't looked in a while.

16:06SPEAKERExcuse me, I should have checked.

16:07SPEAKERBut last time I looked, so like you said,

16:10SPEAKERthey have a protocol, they have an API,

16:11SPEAKERso people can build their own apps around it.

16:14SPEAKERAnd the app situation is not good.

16:18SPEAKERLike you can use the web-based stuff

16:19SPEAKERand that's okay, but if you want.

16:22SPEAKER- Is it still like notational velocity is the best thing?

16:25SPEAKER- Notational velocity, there's a fork of that

16:27SPEAKERcalled NV alt on a Mac.

16:29SPEAKER- Of course there is.

16:30SPEAKER- That are, they're both not great.

16:32SPEAKERLike notational velocity, I think,

16:33SPEAKERwas abandoned in 2012 or something like that.

16:37SPEAKER- Oh boy.

16:38SPEAKER- Like it's a very old app.

16:39SPEAKERLike I'm actually amazed that it still runs.

16:43SPEAKERLet me see, let me just look and see

16:45SPEAKERwhen the last release was.

16:47SPEAKER- So the thing about SimpleNote,

16:48SPEAKERwhen I stopped using it because it seemed

16:51SPEAKERlike it worked way better on Mac and iOS

16:53SPEAKERthan it did on Windows.

16:54SPEAKER- Yes, 2011 was the last release of notational velocity.

16:57SPEAKER- Wow.

16:58SPEAKER- Yeah, like there are some Windows clients

17:00SPEAKERand like no offense to any of the authors of those clients,

17:04SPEAKERbut none of them have really done it for me.

17:07SPEAKER- Yeah.

17:07SPEAKER- There's just not like, there's not a good local solution

17:10SPEAKERfor SimpleNote that I found.

17:11SPEAKERIf you don't want to use the web-based tool.

17:13SPEAKER- Like this is, so you're using this

17:16SPEAKERinstead of something like OneNote or Omni,

17:19SPEAKERa mind mapper or something, like this is like your,

17:22SPEAKERhey, I need, my task list is in here.

17:24SPEAKER- Yeah, like hey, I just need to get you some,

17:26SPEAKERlike there's not a lot of fancy formatting on it.

17:28SPEAKERIt's not like Google docs where you're basically working

17:29SPEAKERwith like a word doc or whatever.

17:31SPEAKERIt's literally just like raw ASCII text, right?

17:33SPEAKER- It supports markdown, right?

17:35SPEAKER- Probably does actually, now that I think about it,

17:37SPEAKERbut like, I don't use it that way.

17:39SPEAKERIt's like a scratch space, you know?

17:40SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah, yeah.

17:41SPEAKER- It's like, I would not write a document

17:43SPEAKERfor like a business consumption in this.

17:46SPEAKERThis is just a place to jot stuff down.

17:48SPEAKER- Yeah, it's like- - Get to it quickly.

17:50SPEAKER- It's a dumping ground for words where Dropbox is a,

17:53SPEAKERit's like a magic, it's a bag of holding for words

17:56SPEAKERwhere Dropbox is a bag of holding for files.

17:57SPEAKER- Yes, and like the cloud service is fine.

17:59SPEAKERLike the core SimpleNote service is fine.

18:01SPEAKERI just can't find a good client for it.

18:04SPEAKER- I think, is it free still?

18:06SPEAKER- It is at least for like basic usage, yeah.

18:08SPEAKER- Huh. - But anyway,

18:10SPEAKERit sounds like you've got ideas.

18:13SPEAKER- So there's this new thing, it's not new,

18:14SPEAKERit's newish called Gitbook that is for the purpose

18:20SPEAKERyou're using, like creating notes for yourself

18:22SPEAKERand having buckets to put those notes in, seems pretty good.

18:27SPEAKERI just started using it the other day,

18:30SPEAKERbut it's basically a text editor kind of text.

18:33SPEAKERLike I think it was originally made to be a doc creation,

18:36SPEAKERdocument creation tool for like open source projects

18:40SPEAKERand stuff like that.

18:42SPEAKERBut because of that, you can generate,

18:44SPEAKERit supports Markdown, you can generate containers

18:47SPEAKERthat you put a lot of buckets, a lot of stuff in

18:50SPEAKERand it imports from everything.

18:52SPEAKERLike you could hook it up to your Google account

18:56SPEAKERand it'll pull in Google documents and stuff like that

18:58SPEAKERand ingest them and then generate PDFs even for you.

19:03SPEAKERIt may be overkill for what you want,

19:05SPEAKERbut the web client was pretty good on desktop.

19:07SPEAKERI haven't tried it on mobile yet.

19:10SPEAKERAnd like the formatting and typography and stuff

19:12SPEAKERwere pleasant enough that I didn't want to jab my,

19:15SPEAKERlike my problem with a lot of these things

19:17SPEAKERis that you end up with like a monospaced

19:19SPEAKERor unpleasant typography situation

19:24SPEAKERso that it's hard to read what you've written

19:25SPEAKERif you write like an actual,

19:29SPEAKERlike I often will do the first draft,

19:30SPEAKERlike when I was using simple notes,

19:31SPEAKERI would often do the first draft of a blog post in there

19:33SPEAKERand then copy it over to the WYSIWYG.

19:35SPEAKER- Yes, that is exactly the kind of thing

19:37SPEAKERthat I would use that for.

19:39SPEAKER- Yeah, and this handles that well

19:41SPEAKERand it's very readable compared to,

19:43SPEAKERlike it's not like in the Typography Hall of Fame,

19:47SPEAKERthere's media for the web, there's medium,

19:50SPEAKERwhich is mwah, chef's kiss, like so fucking good.

19:54SPEAKERAnd then this is in the same kind of general ballpark,

19:57SPEAKERlike it handles bad breaks and stuff like that

19:58SPEAKERso that you don't have weird typography situations.

20:01SPEAKER- I suspect somebody listening to this is probably saying,

20:04SPEAKERwhy don't you just use Google Docs for this type of thing?

20:07SPEAKER- It's too heavy and you can't find anything,

20:09SPEAKERlike the search is bad.

20:10SPEAKER- Yes, being unable to find anything,

20:11SPEAKERlike is it just me or is the Google Docs interface

20:14SPEAKERabsolutely abysmal and has always been

20:16SPEAKERfor as long as it's existed?

20:17SPEAKER- Well, and like, so if I have a Google Doc

20:21SPEAKERI'm accurately working on, I'm usually afraid to close it

20:24SPEAKER'cause if it falls off of the recent view,

20:26SPEAKERI can't find it again.

20:27SPEAKER- Right, and like maybe they're right

20:29SPEAKERand if I should check right now,

20:30SPEAKERI'm sure there are like sorting options

20:31SPEAKERthat make that a lot more intuitive, right, but--

20:34SPEAKER- Sometimes they just don't sort right though.

20:37SPEAKERLike it's a, for a company

20:42SPEAKERthat's generally pretty good at search,

20:44SPEAKERlike searching within Google Docs sucks

20:47SPEAKERand it's consistently terrible.

20:48SPEAKER- It's crazy to me, like we use it a ton for my day job

20:51SPEAKERand we've used it quite a bit for this podcast

20:54SPEAKERand it's been garbage the entire time,

20:56SPEAKERlike spreadsheets, docs, whatever,

20:58SPEAKERlike did you share that with me?

20:59SPEAKERI think so, like where is it?

21:01SPEAKERI can't find it in this list.

21:02SPEAKEROh, if I'd sort by last opened.

21:05SPEAKER- Here's a fun one.

21:06SPEAKERIf you wanna move a file into a different folder

21:09SPEAKERfrom inside the doc, you wanna do like a save as

21:11SPEAKERand I wanna put it in the tech pod folder.

21:14SPEAKERIt took me 20 minutes to figure out how to do that last night

21:16SPEAKER'cause I made this, the notes that we're looking at right now

21:19SPEAKERoutside of the folder and I was like,

21:21SPEAKERshit, how do I get them in?

21:22SPEAKERI can't drag them and then I realized

21:25SPEAKERthere's a little icon up near the name that says move

21:27SPEAKERand that's how you do it.

21:28SPEAKERYou have to click on the icon, it's not in the menus.

21:31SPEAKERJust click the icon.

21:32SPEAKER- Dopey, anyway.

21:34SPEAKERYeah, so Google docs and like OneNote kind of does that

21:37SPEAKERbut it's real heavy too.

21:38SPEAKERIt takes a long time to load.

21:39SPEAKERLike I want something that I can just leave

21:42SPEAKERkind of in the background and pop up at any moment.

21:44SPEAKER- That's why I like simple note

21:45SPEAKERbecause if you have a good client,

21:46SPEAKERlike it syncs with their service

21:47SPEAKERand you just pop it open and jot stuff down, whatever.

21:50SPEAKERBut like, it's not, it is a very imperfect situation.

21:54SPEAKERBut anyway.

21:57SPEAKER- You wanna talk about shortcuts?

22:00SPEAKERDo you like shortcuts?

22:01SPEAKER- Sure, I love to use them all the time.

22:03SPEAKER- Have you used shortcuts for iOS much?

22:05SPEAKER- Ever since Windows 95, I've been a big fan.

22:08SPEAKER- Oh, it's not that kind of shortcut.

22:10SPEAKER- Well, I have some stuff to say about Windows shortcuts too

22:13SPEAKERbut we'll get to it.

22:14SPEAKER- That's a whole, yeah, that's a whole.

22:16SPEAKERSo Apple with the last version of iOS,

22:20SPEAKERI think it was the last version,

22:21SPEAKERit might've been two versions ago,

22:22SPEAKERadded this app called Shortcuts.

22:24SPEAKERThat's a thing you can download.

22:25SPEAKERIt's not installed by default

22:27SPEAKERbut it basically exposes a lot of the scripting interface.

22:30SPEAKER- Really?

22:31SPEAKER- Yeah, and API stuff that,

22:33SPEAKERlike it gives a human interface to APIs

22:38SPEAKERthat live inside other apps.

22:39SPEAKERSo for example.

22:41SPEAKER- I'm sorry, real quick, did you say this is made by Apple?

22:43SPEAKER- This is an Apple app.

22:44SPEAKER- Why?

22:45SPEAKER- I think they bought it from somebody.

22:46SPEAKER- Okay, still, it just doesn't seem like the type of thing

22:48SPEAKERthey would typically expose to the user.

22:50SPEAKERIt's very, very on Apple like

22:51SPEAKERto give you any kind of control like this.

22:54SPEAKER- Well, so I think it was,

22:57SPEAKERI can't imagine what the rationale for releasing it was

23:00SPEAKERother than they bought the company

23:01SPEAKERand wanted to have that functionality.

23:03SPEAKERBut it lets you do, so for example,

23:06SPEAKERbefore Siri supported third-party audio utilities

23:10SPEAKERlike Pocket Casts or Spotify,

23:14SPEAKERI made shortcuts that let me trigger

23:18SPEAKERplaying the giant bomb cast

23:19SPEAKERor playing a Spotify playlist from Siri,

23:24SPEAKERlike while I was driving in the car, which was awesome.

23:26SPEAKERI even made like a getting,

23:28SPEAKERlike driving to school to drop my daughter off

23:30SPEAKERthat gave me the ETA tour school,

23:33SPEAKERopened up the route in ways,

23:36SPEAKERstarted playing some music and gave us the daily weather.

23:38SPEAKER- So these are like macros, basically,

23:40SPEAKERis what you're saying, right?

23:41SPEAKERLike a sequence of actions

23:42SPEAKERthat you encapsulate into one thing.

23:44SPEAKER- Well, but there's some pretty big ones.

23:46SPEAKERLike there's some pretty complex,

23:48SPEAKERlike there's a Piehole one that somebody shared

23:50SPEAKERin the Discord a few weeks ago called Piehole Admin

23:53SPEAKERthat basically when you run it pops up a menu

23:57SPEAKERthat lets you choose between,

23:59SPEAKERand also any of these shortcuts

24:01SPEAKERcan either be a Siri trigger

24:03SPEAKERor you can put them on the home screen.

24:05SPEAKERSo you can just tap on a,

24:06SPEAKERlike it just shows up like a normal app

24:07SPEAKERand you tap it and you get like a menu.

24:09SPEAKEROh yeah, I don't know if you can really see that, but.

24:11SPEAKER- Interesting, and can these be shared?

24:13SPEAKERLike you made it sound like somebody,

24:16SPEAKERlike when you said somebody posted one in the Discord,

24:17SPEAKERlike can they kind of be exported and shared with people or?

24:21SPEAKER- I clicked a link and it was on my phone.

24:23SPEAKER- Wow.

24:24SPEAKER- Yeah, and like this one,

24:25SPEAKERso this one tells me the Piehole status

24:27SPEAKERthat lets me disable blocking from an icon on my home screen.

24:30SPEAKER- Dude, what?

24:31SPEAKER- It lets me allow or disallow domains.

24:33SPEAKERIt lets me reboot the Piehole.

24:35SPEAKERIt gives me stats and tells me if it needs updating.

24:37SPEAKER- I'm going to the App Store right now to download this.

24:39SPEAKERI'm assuming this is not installed by default, right?

24:42SPEAKER- Not installed by default,

24:43SPEAKERor it wasn't the last time when I did it.

24:45SPEAKERLike I have one that lets me see travel plans in TripIt.

24:49SPEAKERI have one that is,

24:50SPEAKERlike I have one that runs my home automation stuff.

24:52SPEAKERSo like I have a sleepy time one

24:54SPEAKERthat turns off all the lights in the house

24:55SPEAKERwhen I'm ready to go to bed.

24:56SPEAKER- How have I never heard, this has been incredible.

24:58SPEAKERThis feels like it's going to open up

24:59SPEAKERthe entire iPhone experience for-

25:02SPEAKER- Hey Siri, say cheese.

25:08SPEAKERAnd it just took a picture.

25:13SPEAKERThere you go.

25:13SPEAKER- There's that sigh again.

25:16SPEAKERWait, apparently I have this on my phone.

25:19SPEAKER- You probably downloaded it.

25:19SPEAKERThere were a lot of stories about it when it came out.

25:21SPEAKERAnd then like, if you were like me,

25:22SPEAKERyeah, you didn't look at it until you were like waiting.

25:25SPEAKERI was waiting to pick up my daughter one day.

25:26SPEAKERI was like, what does this thing do?

25:27SPEAKERAnd I made the Waze shortcut.

25:28SPEAKERI was like, this is pretty good.

25:30SPEAKERI have one that's like on my way home that texts Gina.

25:35SPEAKERI mean, this doesn't apply right now

25:37SPEAKER'cause I never leave the house.

25:37SPEAKERBut back in the before times it texts Gina and is like,

25:41SPEAKERhey, do you need me to stop at the store

25:42SPEAKERand pick anything up?

25:43SPEAKERI'm going to be home in about 20 minutes.

25:44SPEAKER'Cause it gives the ETA from Apple maps

25:47SPEAKERand then opens up a Waze route home.

25:49SPEAKER- Pretty easy to set up shortcuts?

25:52SPEAKER- It's not quite idiot proof, but it's real close.

25:55SPEAKERI mean, the penalty for failure is real low too.

25:57SPEAKER- Like I'm wondering how that piehole shortcut works

25:59SPEAKERin terms of like what app it interfaces with.

26:01SPEAKERDoes that go through Safari?

26:02SPEAKERLike, can you basically set up like open this webpage,

26:06SPEAKERlike input this text or activate this link type stuff?

26:09SPEAKER- It's either activate links or like,

26:13SPEAKERso on that one specifically,

26:15SPEAKERyou have to set up some scripting stuff when you start it.

26:17SPEAKER- Okay.

26:19SPEAKER- Like you have to, you have to tell it where the,

26:20SPEAKERlike you have to initialize a few variables.

26:22SPEAKERYou have to tell it what the URL is.

26:23SPEAKERYou have to give it your pie hole password

26:25SPEAKERand stuff like that. - Oh, interesting, okay.

26:27SPEAKER- But then, yeah, it runs commands over SSH

26:30SPEAKERto do the following and returns.

26:32SPEAKER- Oh, oh, interesting, okay.

26:34SPEAKER- Yeah, so I guess it has script, it has,

26:41SPEAKERyeah.

26:42SPEAKER- Some simple scripting stuff.

26:43SPEAKER- It has some simple scripting stuff.

26:44SPEAKER- Man, that's cool.

26:45SPEAKERI had no idea about this. - But the neat thing is,

26:47SPEAKERlike you can see how it all works.

26:48SPEAKER'Cause it has like, like because it's just a visual script,

26:51SPEAKERit says, okay, to disable blocking, you choose from the menu

26:54SPEAKERhow long to disable pie holes, the prompt,

26:56SPEAKERand then you could choose one minute,

26:57SPEAKERfive minutes, 10 minutes, whatever.

26:59SPEAKERAnd you read the number from the feedback on that

27:02SPEAKERand you store that as a value.

27:04SPEAKERAnd then you,

27:08SPEAKERthen it passes that to the actual function

27:10SPEAKERthat sends the command back to, back to the pie hole.

27:14SPEAKER- I'm extremely excited about this.

27:16SPEAKER- It is, it is a incredibly powerful app

27:19SPEAKERfor some really specific things.

27:20SPEAKER- Yes, I live to automate

27:24SPEAKERand shortcut extremely specific things, actions, tasks.

27:28SPEAKERSo I'm gonna spend some time with this.

27:30SPEAKER- When you hook this thing up to your nut server,

27:32SPEAKERshit's gonna pop off.

27:33SPEAKER- Oh, the nut server's totally automated.

27:35SPEAKERThat's the thing, that thing has a mind of its own.

27:37SPEAKER- Wouldn't it be nice to be able to,

27:39SPEAKERlike, if you need to just shut everything down real,

27:40SPEAKERlike you need an emergency, like the,

27:43SPEAKERlike the, what, crash override?

27:46SPEAKER- You mean if I wanted to issue a UPS Mon-CFSD?

27:50SPEAKER- Yeah, I'm just saying if the 5.0 comes banging

27:52SPEAKERon your door and you need to burn everything down,

27:54SPEAKERthen you hit the button and run, right?

27:56SPEAKERYou jump up out the window.

27:57SPEAKER- Like actually I totally could shut everything

27:59SPEAKERon this UPS down remotely like that.

28:01SPEAKER- There you go.

28:02SPEAKER- Just tap the thing.

28:04SPEAKERYeah, that's wild, I am shocked

28:06SPEAKERthat Apple makes something like that available,

28:08SPEAKERquite frankly.

28:09SPEAKER- Me too, hey, good for them.

28:11SPEAKER- But again, I mean, on the other hand,

28:12SPEAKERa couple of weeks ago, we'd kind of talked

28:13SPEAKERabout this new, more open Apple, right?

28:15SPEAKERSo look, new, more app open is the whole,

28:18SPEAKERit's everybody's jam these days.

28:20SPEAKER- I like it, I'm very into it.

28:24SPEAKERLet's see, where do you want to go from here?

28:27SPEAKER- I feel like we both use voice meter,

28:28SPEAKERwe could talk about that.

28:29SPEAKER- No, I do not, I'm afraid of voice meter.

28:32SPEAKEREveryone I know both swears by voice meter

28:36SPEAKERand swears about voice meter, and so I...

28:40SPEAKER- So I learned something really important

28:42SPEAKERabout voice meter a couple months ago

28:44SPEAKERthat has changed my outlook on it,

28:45SPEAKER'cause it used to be, voice meter is a software audio mixer,

28:49SPEAKERso it works like a big Yamaha deck on your desk,

28:54SPEAKERexcept it lets you set up virtual inputs and outputs

28:56SPEAKERthat hook directly into the Windows sound system.

28:59SPEAKER- Right.

29:01SPEAKER- It also will let you convert standard Windows audio APIs,

29:05SPEAKERlike MME and WDM, Windows driver model, yeah, WDM,

29:10SPEAKERto the lower latency ASIO, I think that's ASIO,

29:14SPEAKERI don't know how people say that,

29:16SPEAKERbut the kind of music APIs that are both closed source

29:20SPEAKERand license encumbered, so they don't ship with Windows,

29:25SPEAKERbut they're used for music production,

29:26SPEAKERso if you have a high-end mixer or something like that,

29:28SPEAKERthen it'll have an ASIO interface,

29:29SPEAKER'cause that gives you very low latency for the audio.

29:35SPEAKERThe thing I learned is if you're using voice meter

29:37SPEAKERwith a WDM or MME output, it's gonna be janky,

29:40SPEAKERand if you use it with an ASIO output, it's fine.

29:42SPEAKER- Hmm, okay.

29:44SPEAKER- Yeah, that's the TLDR.

29:45SPEAKER- All right.

29:46SPEAKER- Also, Focusrite interfaces may be not the best.

29:50SPEAKER- I just uninstalled the Focusrite software this morning,

29:52SPEAKERso probably be-- - Probably, I mean--

29:53SPEAKER- Probably fine. - Look,

29:54SPEAKERyou can't beat the price.

29:56SPEAKER- That's true.

29:57SPEAKER- It's the thing where you get what you pay for, so--

29:58SPEAKER- That's true.

29:59SPEAKER- So the use case for voice meter is,

30:02SPEAKEReven if you're not streaming, you can do things

30:04SPEAKERlike have keyboard shortcuts for volume changes on Discord

30:08SPEAKERthat are independent of your game audio,

30:10SPEAKERbut are mixed in with the game audio, right?

30:13SPEAKERSo that you can change the volume.

30:16SPEAKERYou can use your keyboard shortcuts

30:19SPEAKERthat you set up in voice meter to do things like that.

30:22SPEAKERYou can also do things like automatically duck

30:24SPEAKERwhen somebody else, like if somebody's talking in Discord,

30:26SPEAKERyou can duck your game audio so you can hear them better.

30:28SPEAKER- That sounds all right.

30:30SPEAKER- You can do things like,

30:33SPEAKERI feel like you can do a little bit of compression

30:34SPEAKERdepending on the input you use.

30:36SPEAKERSo if you wanna, not MP3 type compression,

30:38SPEAKERbut like squinching the dynamic range of the file

30:41SPEAKERso that more of it's being used,

30:43SPEAKERof the audio so that more of it's being used,

30:45SPEAKERand maybe you're not blowing out your ears as much

30:47SPEAKERif you're playing a loud game.

30:50SPEAKERAnd that's pretty much it.

30:52SPEAKERIt's a handy, it's like pointers

30:54SPEAKERfor your sound system in Windows.

30:56SPEAKER- It sounds amazingly useful.

30:58SPEAKERThe thing that's always stopped me

31:01SPEAKERis just my inherent wariness of anything that installs

31:03SPEAKERat kind of a device or driver level.

31:05SPEAKER- It installs at a scary level, yeah.

31:08SPEAKERLike it's creating a bunch of, for people who haven't used

31:10SPEAKERit, it's creating a bunch of like virtual audio devices

31:12SPEAKERbasically alongside your actual hardware audio devices

31:15SPEAKERand that irrational or not is just a little unnerving to me.

31:20SPEAKER- So the thing that's good about it for me

31:22SPEAKERis that with the two PC streaming setup,

31:24SPEAKERit literally saves me from having like six extra cables.

31:27SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah, I could see that for sure.

31:29SPEAKER- But also, oh, also there's three versions.

31:32SPEAKERSo there's voice meter, this is M-E-E-T-E-R.

31:36SPEAKERThe stock one only has a limited number

31:38SPEAKERof virtual inputs and outputs.

31:39SPEAKER- Is that banana?

31:40SPEAKER- No, no, there's stock, there's banana,

31:42SPEAKERwhich has four hardware ins.

31:46SPEAKER- I didn't know there was one below banana.

31:47SPEAKER- Two virtual ins and two virtual outs.

31:49SPEAKER- I didn't know there was one below banana.

31:51SPEAKERHow did they not attach a fruit to that one?

31:52SPEAKER- And I think it's the, I don't think they come up

31:54SPEAKERwith the, yeah, I'm curious

31:57SPEAKERwith how that naming scheme evolved actually.

31:59SPEAKER- There's voice meter, banana,

32:00SPEAKERand then I know where you're going with this.

32:01SPEAKER- Potato.

32:02SPEAKER- There's potato, which is the advanced version.

32:04SPEAKERAnd fundamentally, I don't think there's any difference

32:08SPEAKERin any of these except for the number of inputs

32:10SPEAKERand outputs they support.

32:11SPEAKER- I think potato just has way more V cables.

32:14SPEAKER- You also can do some weird stuff.

32:17SPEAKERLike you can hook two voice meters to each other

32:20SPEAKERand pipe audio over a network with relatively low latency,

32:23SPEAKERlike 50, 100 milliseconds.

32:25SPEAKER- Okay.

32:26SPEAKER- So that if you wanna have audio from one PC

32:30SPEAKERgoing to another PC without running a wire,

32:32SPEAKERyou can do that.

32:33SPEAKERAnd you can even do things like pass commands.

32:35SPEAKERSo like you can mute voice meter on another PC

32:38SPEAKERusing a hot key on the PC that you're using.

32:42SPEAKERAnd you can get real buck wild with it

32:44SPEAKERis what I'm saying, I guess.

32:45SPEAKER- I also love hot keying things

32:47SPEAKERthat you would normally have to dig through eight menus

32:49SPEAKERto get to, so.

32:50SPEAKER- There you go.

32:51SPEAKER- I can't get enough of that stuff.

32:52SPEAKER- Yeah, voice meter seems like it'd be your jam.

32:54SPEAKER- Yeah, maybe I'll become,

32:57SPEAKERmaybe I'll find my courage sometime

32:59SPEAKERand actually be brave enough to install it.

33:03SPEAKER- On top of the weird like driver level stuff

33:05SPEAKERthat it installs, just the setup itself

33:08SPEAKERseems pretty imposing.

33:09SPEAKERLike it's a lot of keeping track of things.

33:12SPEAKERLike Vinny showed me one of his notebook pages

33:15SPEAKERwhere he had had to graph out his virtual audio setup

33:19SPEAKER'cause it just seems like it would take a lot of work

33:20SPEAKERto really exploit.

33:22SPEAKER- Well, so the thing I didn't realize

33:24SPEAKERfor a really, really long time

33:25SPEAKER'cause they don't make it clear at all

33:27SPEAKERis that you can label all of the inputs

33:29SPEAKERand all of the outputs so that like,

33:31SPEAKERyou know which one is your microphone

33:33SPEAKERand which one is your game audio,

33:34SPEAKERwhich one's your discord and all that.

33:35SPEAKER- It's just like we said with the desks,

33:37SPEAKERyou just have to exercise

33:38SPEAKERa certain amount of organizational discipline.

33:41SPEAKER- Look, my audio setup is fucking immaculate.

33:44SPEAKER- Your physical space is a disaster,

33:46SPEAKERbut your virtual audio space.

33:49SPEAKER- Chats me in, man.

33:50SPEAKERI don't need-- - Is pristine.

33:51SPEAKER- Fuck me, space, I don't need that.

33:53SPEAKER- Yeah, I've got a,

33:55SPEAKERI guess since we're talking about audio stuff,

33:56SPEAKERI've got another little athlete.

33:58SPEAKER- That's a good segue, Brad.

33:59SPEAKER- Yeah, that's called sound volume view.

34:04SPEAKER- What does this do?

34:06SPEAKER- It is a way to basically expose all of the window,

34:10SPEAKERlike the audio sources in Windows

34:12SPEAKERin a very tidy, just like very like,

34:15SPEAKERhere it is kind of list.

34:19SPEAKER- So like when you have a mystery sound on your computer,

34:21SPEAKERyou can open that thing up and see where it's coming from?

34:23SPEAKER- Let me pull it up.

34:23SPEAKERLike I've never taken the time

34:24SPEAKERto fully understand everything this thing is doing,

34:26SPEAKERbut I'm just gonna read off of the types column here.

34:31SPEAKERHere are the types of audio sources this thing exposes.

34:34SPEAKERThere are devices, which are your hardware devices.

34:37SPEAKERThere are applications,

34:38SPEAKERwhich are things like Chrome and Firefox and Audacity.

34:42SPEAKER- I'm downloading this right now.

34:43SPEAKER- There are subunits,

34:45SPEAKERwhich I'm not sure that I can explain.

34:49SPEAKERAnd then, God, this would be easier with a visual aid.

34:53SPEAKERIt presents a fucking insane amount of information

34:55SPEAKERabout all of the audio things going on in your computer.

35:00SPEAKER- Okay, I'm afraid to install this

35:02SPEAKERwhile we're recording a podcast,

35:03SPEAKER'cause it seems like a bad idea.

35:04SPEAKER- Well, it's not an install, it's just a portable,

35:07SPEAKERit's just an executable that you run.

35:09SPEAKER- Oh man, you can download this from Major Geeks.

35:11SPEAKERThat is the home.

35:12SPEAKER- Well, so the author,

35:14SPEAKERyou should get it from the author's website,

35:16SPEAKERbecause I was gonna mention that the guy who wrote this

35:20SPEAKERseems to have created, have basically made a career

35:23SPEAKERout of writing little freeware applets for Windows.

35:26SPEAKER- I love these.

35:28SPEAKER- The website is nirsoft, N-I-R-soft.net.

35:32SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah, oh, I know something else he does.

35:34SPEAKER- Right, yes, so when I came upon this,

35:36SPEAKERand there are some other reasons that I like it

35:38SPEAKERthat I'll get to in a minute,

35:39SPEAKERbut I thought that he sounded,

35:40SPEAKERI thought this whole thing sounded familiar.

35:42SPEAKERLike I swear-- - Is this the windeer stat guy?

35:45SPEAKER- I don't think so,

35:47SPEAKERbut he definitely names all of his applications that way.

35:50SPEAKER- Holy cow.

35:51SPEAKER- I don't think he made, no.

35:55SPEAKERIt looks like he made an equivalent called folders report.

36:00SPEAKER- Yeah.

36:01SPEAKER- So if you go to nirsoft.net and click, are you there?

36:04SPEAKER- I'm there.

36:05SPEAKER- Click all utilities on the left.

36:07SPEAKER- Oh my God, this is amazing.

36:08SPEAKER- And scroll that list.

36:10SPEAKER- Oh, he did that, he did,

36:11SPEAKERI've used his Recover Office Windows CD key tool before.

36:14SPEAKER- Yes, like he's got a bunch of tools on here

36:15SPEAKERfor like getting your product key

36:16SPEAKERout of various Microsoft applications.

36:18SPEAKER- Oh. - Like there are dozens to hundreds

36:22SPEAKERof little win32 applets that he's written for.

36:25SPEAKER- Yeah, he wrote a who is for Windows, that's really funny.

36:29SPEAKER- Also the names are all such delightful.

36:33SPEAKER- Like is this a portmanteau or a Mondra cream?

36:36SPEAKER- Yes, RTMP dump helper.

36:38SPEAKER- Yeah, like a dump helper.

36:39SPEAKER- Web video cap, who is this domain?

36:44SPEAKER- Site shoder, take a screenshot of a website.

36:48SPEAKERReg file export, these are all one word.

36:51SPEAKER- Does site shoder?

36:54SPEAKER- File types man, shortcuts man.

36:57SPEAKER- Wow, wow.

36:59SPEAKER- Win lister.

37:00SPEAKER- This guy's great bullet pass view.

37:02SPEAKER- Like a view of the passwords behind asterisks.

37:03SPEAKER- This guy has made a career out of creating unitaskers,

37:06SPEAKERI think is what you would say here

37:08SPEAKERbecause every single, there are dozens,

37:10SPEAKERif not hundreds of applications on this guy's site

37:12SPEAKERand every single one of them does exactly one thing.

37:14SPEAKER- He, there's more also.

37:17SPEAKER- There's a ton.

37:19SPEAKER- We recommended this guy's apps in like maximum PC days.

37:23SPEAKER- Yeah, like years ago.

37:24SPEAKER- Yeah, that's the thing.

37:25SPEAKERI feel like I remember going back to like Windows 2000

37:27SPEAKERusing some of this guy's stuff

37:29SPEAKERand I don't remember what exactly.

37:31SPEAKERAlso, if you scroll all the way to the bottom of that list

37:33SPEAKERor actually maybe it's not all the way at the bottom.

37:36SPEAKERThere's a way to generate blue,

37:38SPEAKERhe wrote an app that lets you generate blue screens.

37:41SPEAKER- Oh, right.

37:42SPEAKER- I'm trying to find it.

37:43SPEAKERStart blue screen.

37:46SPEAKER- I've used the mini dump viewer that he made before.

37:48SPEAKER- This utility, just as it sounds,

37:49SPEAKERallows you to crash the Windows operating system

37:51SPEAKERby initiating a blue screen of death

37:53SPEAKERaccording to five parameters

37:54SPEAKERthat you specify from the command line.

37:56SPEAKER- Oh yeah.

37:57SPEAKER- This guy's great.

37:59SPEAKER- His name's Nir Sofer.

38:01SPEAKER- Yeah.

38:01SPEAKER- Which is a, again, sounds like a Star Wars villain.

38:05SPEAKER- But yeah, the company name obviously

38:06SPEAKERis a play on his name.

38:07SPEAKERAnyway, sound volume view is great

38:11SPEAKERfor just giving you like this big fat visual list

38:13SPEAKERof all the sound stuff going on

38:14SPEAKERthat you can kind of control very easily

38:16SPEAKERfrom just right clicking stuff and so forth.

38:19SPEAKERBut the reason I got it

38:20SPEAKERis that it also has a command line interface.

38:23SPEAKER- Oh, so you could change audio interfaces

38:24SPEAKERfrom command line?

38:25SPEAKER- Yes, yes.

38:26SPEAKEREven more than that, it's even more granular than that.

38:28SPEAKERLike, do you know how you have a line in,

38:31SPEAKERlike recording devices in Windows

38:32SPEAKERthat you can toggle the monitor setting?

38:34SPEAKERI think they call it like listen to this device.

38:36SPEAKER- Yeah.

38:37SPEAKER- You know what I'm talking about?

38:38SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah, yeah.

38:39SPEAKER- Like you can even automate stuff like that.

38:39SPEAKER- That setting's bad though.

38:40SPEAKERYou shouldn't use that setting.

38:41SPEAKER- Well, sometimes you need to hear what's coming in though.

38:44SPEAKER- I guess.

38:45SPEAKER- Even just for monitoring purposes and stuff, but.

38:48SPEAKER- Man, that means I can, so is that,

38:51SPEAKERare those audio interface names stock enough,

38:53SPEAKERlike static enough that I could make a command line tool

38:56SPEAKERthat sets? - Absolutely.

38:58SPEAKER- Oh.

38:59SPEAKER- Oh, you mean that reads the names automatically?

39:01SPEAKER- No, that just automatically,

39:03SPEAKERlike when the audio,

39:04SPEAKER'cause like every time Windows updates on my streaming PC,

39:06SPEAKERit fucks up the,

39:07SPEAKERwhich audio is the primary. - So it changes, yeah.

39:10SPEAKER- And I have to reset it all.

39:12SPEAKERSo if I can have a little command line tool

39:13SPEAKERthat I just double-click and it makes that stuff

39:14SPEAKERback to what it should be,

39:15SPEAKERthat would be amazing. - Yes, you can absolutely,

39:16SPEAKERyou can absolutely do that.

39:17SPEAKERI have to, I do that.

39:19SPEAKER- Yay.

39:20SPEAKER- So yeah, so you can change what the active device is,

39:23SPEAKERyou can change whether it's monitoring or not,

39:25SPEAKERall that kind of stuff.

39:26SPEAKER- That is exceptional.

39:28SPEAKER- And so basically you would just set up shortcuts

39:29SPEAKERfor those if you want.

39:31SPEAKERLike that's probably the way,

39:33SPEAKERcan you think of a better way to do that?

39:35SPEAKER- I would probably make a command line batch file

39:39SPEAKERthat I SSH into from my iOS shortcuts

39:43SPEAKERand just hit a button on my phone.

39:44SPEAKER- Ooh, that's actually not the worst idea.

39:47SPEAKERThere are a lot of ways to automate this.

39:48SPEAKERI've used Task Scheduler to automate some of these.

39:52SPEAKER- Yeah, I can see that.

39:53SPEAKEROr like a cron, well, there's no cron on Windows, I guess.

39:57SPEAKER- Or is there?

39:58SPEAKER- Wait, what?

39:59SPEAKER- We'll get into that. - Hold on.

40:00SPEAKERJust one more thing on the Near Sofa.

40:02SPEAKERNear Sofa, I made a joke about his name,

40:03SPEAKERwhich was crappy of me.

40:04SPEAKERI feel like a large number of "Star Wars" aliens

40:08SPEAKERcould have, probably just have Dutch names

40:10SPEAKERthat George Lucas stole in the '90s and '80s and '70s.

40:14SPEAKER- They definitely follow a one-syllable,

40:16SPEAKERtwo-syllable format in a lot of cases.

40:20SPEAKERThe Han Solo rule.

40:21SPEAKER- Or two-syllable, Boba Fett, two-syllable, one-syllable.

40:24SPEAKERThat goes both ways.

40:26SPEAKER- Yeah.

40:27SPEAKERYeah, I mean, obviously, voice meter is a lot more capable

40:29SPEAKERand does a lot more things,

40:30SPEAKERbut if you are working in some kind of streaming

40:32SPEAKERor audio production setup,

40:34SPEAKERthe sound volume views can be extremely handy.

40:37SPEAKER- Being able to one-click,

40:38SPEAKERbecause a large part of the problem is I often don't remember

40:41SPEAKERwhat the defaults are supposed to be,

40:43SPEAKER'cause it fucks up every six months.

40:46SPEAKERSo I always have to go back and look and figure it out.

40:49SPEAKERAnd if I could just have one tool

40:50SPEAKERthat just automatically does both the input and output

40:53SPEAKERto what they're supposed to be,

40:54SPEAKERthat would be beautiful.

40:56SPEAKER- It's also super handy for like,

40:58SPEAKERlet's say I'm streaming the mister

41:00SPEAKERand I've got my monitor switched to the mister,

41:02SPEAKER'cause I'm playing straight off that HDMI input,

41:04SPEAKERso I can't see my desktop.

41:06SPEAKERBut if I've made a shortcut,

41:07SPEAKERwhich I have for muting and unmuting the line in

41:10SPEAKERfrom the mister, I can hit window key,

41:13SPEAKERtype the name of that shortcut and hit enter

41:15SPEAKEReven without being able to see the desktop

41:16SPEAKERand it'll like mute, unmute.

41:18SPEAKER- You could use a stream deck for that too,

41:19SPEAKERif you have one of those.

41:20SPEAKER- Yeah, I mean, obviously there are other ways

41:21SPEAKERto automate that, but the point is it's an interface

41:23SPEAKERdirectly to that Windows audio subsystem

41:26SPEAKERwithout having to click through all the ridiculous layers

41:28SPEAKERof Windows menus, it's super, super handy.

41:32SPEAKER- I am installing this as soon as this podcast is done.

41:34SPEAKER- I feel like now this episode is a success,

41:37SPEAKER'cause we have each brought at least one thing

41:38SPEAKERthat the other person got excited about installing.

41:41SPEAKER- Oh yeah, do you wanna talk about,

41:44SPEAKERwell, hold on, we're gonna talk about cron stuff.

41:46SPEAKER- Yeah, I mentioned it, I think on a,

41:48SPEAKERwhen was it, one of the Patreon episodes?

41:50SPEAKER- Could have been, we've talked about it ever so briefly.

41:53SPEAKER- Very briefly, speaking of, I just fucking,

41:57SPEAKERI love automating stuff, man, I can't get enough of it.

42:01SPEAKERTask scheduler sucks ass.

42:03SPEAKER- Did you ever have to have the conversation with Dave

42:05SPEAKERat Whiskey Media about when it was worth automating stuff?

42:09SPEAKER- Oh, what is his, I'm sure, if I had to guess,

42:12SPEAKERI would bet he has an iconoclastic view on that subject.

42:15SPEAKER- Well, back then, the podcast interface

42:18SPEAKERrequired doing a lot of math and converting

42:21SPEAKERthe number of hours and minutes and seconds into seconds

42:25SPEAKERand then doing some other stuff

42:27SPEAKERto make the metadata right for the podcast.

42:29SPEAKERI was like, "Dave, this is a thing

42:30SPEAKER"that should take an hour to script."

42:33SPEAKERAnd he's like, "Yeah, it'd take a,

42:35SPEAKER"realistically, it'd probably take three,

42:36SPEAKER"'cause yeah, you gotta test stuff and then deploy

42:39SPEAKER"and it'll probably break something

42:40SPEAKER"that you gotta deploy it again."

42:43SPEAKERSo how long does it take you every week?

42:46SPEAKERI was like, "Eh, I don't know, a couple minutes."

42:47SPEAKERHe was like, "Yeah, we're not gonna automate that.

42:49SPEAKER"You can just do the math."

42:50SPEAKER(laughing)

42:52SPEAKERSo I applied that to a lot of things that I don't like doing

42:56SPEAKERbut only take a minute or two.

42:57SPEAKERAnd there's also an XKCD about this as well,

43:01SPEAKERthis very same topic.

43:02SPEAKERI've had that mental exercise play out countless times.

43:09SPEAKERI'm with you.

43:10SPEAKERFor your own personal edification though,

43:12SPEAKERyou can break the rules.

43:13SPEAKERYes, that's where that whole calculation breaks down for me

43:17SPEAKERis the question you always ask yourself,

43:19SPEAKER"Will I spend more time automating this

43:21SPEAKER"than I will just doing it?"

43:22SPEAKERYes.

43:23SPEAKERBut if I'm learning something

43:25SPEAKERthat's gonna be a permanent addition to my skillset

43:28SPEAKERby undergoing the automation, then it's worth it.

43:31SPEAKER- Or just recreationally automating things.

43:33SPEAKERThat's fine too.

43:34SPEAKER- It's also just satisfying to do stuff like that.

43:38SPEAKERAnyway, have you ever used Task Scheduler?

43:43SPEAKERIt's been built into Windows since God knows how long,

43:45SPEAKERat least 2000 probably, or XP if not earlier.

43:49SPEAKER- I've definitely used it. - It's terrible.

43:50SPEAKER- I found it to be bad to not working.

43:54SPEAKER- It's extraordinarily unreliable.

43:56SPEAKER- That was, yeah.

43:57SPEAKER- It works sometimes and then other times it doesn't

44:00SPEAKERand you get no feedback about why.

44:02SPEAKER- And it was goofy in that if a task was scheduled

44:05SPEAKERto run while the computer was off,

44:06SPEAKERit wouldn't run that task when the computer turns back on.

44:09SPEAKER- Yes, yes.

44:10SPEAKER- Stuff like that.

44:11SPEAKER- Well hey, I'm here to tell you

44:12SPEAKERthe Chronicle has a setting for exactly that.

44:16SPEAKER- Wow.

44:17SPEAKER- It has a setting that says should this run tasks

44:20SPEAKERthat were missed while the computer was off?

44:22SPEAKERYes or no?

44:24SPEAKER- I feel like there should be a thing

44:25SPEAKERabout Mr. Pibb and Red Vines in here too, but I don't.

44:29SPEAKER- Huh.

44:30SPEAKER- Is it basically if you are familiar with cron

44:32SPEAKERon Unix systems and you want that in Windows,

44:34SPEAKERyou should get Chronicle 'cause it is that.

44:36SPEAKER- So.

44:37SPEAKER- It's .net based, but it works practically,

44:39SPEAKERlike the config file is even laid out basically the same.

44:42SPEAKER- I think you're about to yell at me,

44:44SPEAKERbut I don't know how to use cron.

44:47SPEAKER- Oh, it's so useful.

44:48SPEAKER- I'm--

44:49SPEAKER- You use it for all kinds of stuff.

44:50SPEAKER- I have literally no doubt of that,

44:52SPEAKERbut my knowledge of how to use cron is basically

44:55SPEAKERanytime I need to do something in the cron tab

44:57SPEAKERon my BSD machine or a Linux machine,

44:59SPEAKERI Google a bunch of stuff and then work on it until it works

45:03SPEAKERand then close that file and never think about it again.

45:06SPEAKER- I'm with you, but you do that enough times

45:08SPEAKERand at some point you have that light bulb moment of like,

45:10SPEAKERoh wait, I don't have to look this up anymore,

45:11SPEAKERnow I just know how to do it.

45:12SPEAKER- Nope.

45:13SPEAKER(laughing)

45:14SPEAKER- I mean, it takes a lot of repetition to be fair.

45:18SPEAKER- I need to automate that repetition somehow.

45:23SPEAKERSo what do you use this for on Windows machines?

45:25SPEAKER- Right now I'm only using it for,

45:27SPEAKERand I talked about this on the patron app,

45:30SPEAKERI found a command line way to change the light dark theme

45:33SPEAKERin Windows, the app theme.

45:33SPEAKER- Oh yeah, yeah.

45:34SPEAKER- So not night light,

45:36SPEAKERI think the night light is what they call it,

45:37SPEAKERwhich is the orange shift color temperature thing,

45:40SPEAKERit's not that, it's literally like,

45:42SPEAKERwhat color is my control panel?

45:43SPEAKERLike what color are file explorer windows, right?

45:46SPEAKERAre they white or black?

45:48SPEAKERLike it's that setting?

45:49SPEAKERAnd I just wanted to automate that,

45:51SPEAKERso I found a way to change that registry value

45:53SPEAKERfrom a PowerShell window.

45:55SPEAKERAnd then I was like, oh, I could just time this

45:57SPEAKERwith when my night light comes on every night.

46:00SPEAKERAnd so I have, 'cause I like the white theme

46:03SPEAKERjust because it's what I'm used to from 30 years of Windows,

46:07SPEAKERalmost, but it's nice to have it automatically flipped

46:11SPEAKERto the dark mode at night.

46:13SPEAKER- I'm realizing that I really want a tool,

46:18SPEAKERI might have to learn how to do this,

46:19SPEAKERI want a tool that watches my Twitch stream

46:22SPEAKERand knows when it's on,

46:23SPEAKERso it turns all that night shift stuff off.

46:25SPEAKER'Cause it turns out if you stream with flux on,

46:27SPEAKERpeople get really upset, for kind of obvious reasons.

46:30SPEAKER- Does it pick that up?

46:31SPEAKERI guess it would.

46:31SPEAKER- Yeah, it totally picks it up.

46:32SPEAKER'Cause I wanna capture, if you're doing OBS, it may not,

46:34SPEAKERbut if you're doing, since I pipe out HDMI

46:37SPEAKERto another computer, it definitely,

46:39SPEAKERlike what I see on the screen

46:40SPEAKERis what people see on the screen.

46:42SPEAKER- Trying to think how you would do that.

46:45SPEAKER- So you would just have a tool

46:46SPEAKERthat runs in the background always.

46:48SPEAKER- You could definitely use this to like have it,

46:49SPEAKERI mean, I don't think there's a lot of resource overhead

46:51SPEAKERon this, you could have it check like every minute

46:54SPEAKERor every five minutes.

46:55SPEAKER- Yeah, so that then when the stream's over,

46:57SPEAKERit just gradually chunks me down

47:01SPEAKERover like a three minute period.

47:02SPEAKER- If you find, you can find some like command line tool

47:04SPEAKERthat would like tell you if your stream is running or not.

47:08SPEAKERTrying to think what you would, how you would do that.

47:11SPEAKER- Well, you could do that with Twitch API.

47:12SPEAKERThat's easy to do.

47:13SPEAKER- Yeah, if you have some way to check, like check the API.

47:16SPEAKER- Yeah.

47:16SPEAKER- You could just have a check like every two minutes for that.

47:22SPEAKERAnyway, like it's C-R-O-N-I-C-A-L.

47:25SPEAKERIt's command line based, you have to edit a text config file

47:28SPEAKERif you're not comfortable doing stuff like that,

47:29SPEAKERthen you will not like this.

47:31SPEAKER- I had to Google Chronical for Windows

47:34SPEAKERand then it came, it's on GitHub.

47:36SPEAKER- I think there are, yes, it is on GitHub.

47:38SPEAKERI think there are a couple other products

47:40SPEAKERwith very similar, if not identical names.

47:43SPEAKERSo you might have a little bit of our time finding it.

47:45SPEAKER- Yeah, the chronic what, Cal?

47:48SPEAKER- It's just, it is just a process scheduler.

47:50SPEAKERThat's all it is.

47:51SPEAKER- If you're not familiar with Cron in general,

47:53SPEAKERit's like you literally just set up conditions for,

47:57SPEAKERdo this every Monday at midnight

47:59SPEAKERor do this every five minutes,

48:00SPEAKERor you can set up slightly more complicated conditions

48:04SPEAKERof like, if it's the second Thursday in the month,

48:07SPEAKERdo this at 10 AM or whatever.

48:09SPEAKER- But also you can do it, you can set it to do things

48:11SPEAKERlike ping an outside network and log

48:15SPEAKERwhether that worked or not.

48:17SPEAKERIf you're having like ISP problems and stuff like that,

48:19SPEAKERyou can do all sorts of weird stuff with contacts.

48:20SPEAKERIt's a super useful scheduler.

48:22SPEAKERAnd because the built-in scheduler in Windows is terrible,

48:25SPEAKERit's, I find it to be pretty useful.

48:28SPEAKER- I've got another, I've got a couple of small ones here.

48:30SPEAKER- Okay.

48:31SPEAKER- I've got a VeraCrypt,

48:34SPEAKERwhich is the successor kind of to TrueCrypt, I guess.

48:40SPEAKER- Okay.

48:41SPEAKER- It's TrueCrypt, so it's an encryption tool.

48:43SPEAKERIt lets you basically build,

48:45SPEAKERyou can encrypt an entire drive

48:46SPEAKERor you can encrypt just a big file that you say,

48:48SPEAKERhey, I want 10 gigs of super-duper encrypted data.

48:54SPEAKER- Interesting.

48:54SPEAKER- That you put on a thumb drive or something like that.

48:56SPEAKER- Okay, or on your main,

48:57SPEAKERlike as a kind of a virtual drive on your main system?

48:59SPEAKER- So I don't think you could do your--

49:01SPEAKER- VHD kind of thing?

49:02SPEAKER- So yeah, any of the encrypted files

49:04SPEAKERshow up as a virtual drive.

49:05SPEAKERSo like you bind it to Z or X or whatever file letter you want

49:11SPEAKERand it does, like their whole point,

49:13SPEAKERit's an open source thing.

49:15SPEAKERThey do whatever the industry standard encryption is

49:17SPEAKERat any given moment.

49:18SPEAKERSo it's like 256-bit AES or something, I think.

49:21SPEAKERAnd it's a good place to put, say, for example,

49:28SPEAKERif you have all of your recovery codes

49:31SPEAKERfor all of your online services

49:32SPEAKERthat have two-factor enabled in one folder someplace,

49:36SPEAKERyou can encrypt them and then chuck them in Dropbox

49:38SPEAKERor put them on a thumb drive or something like that.

49:40SPEAKERAnd then if you leave your thumb drive at medieval times,

49:42SPEAKERthen people won't find out what's on it

49:44SPEAKERand get access to your Facebook and Google account.

49:47SPEAKER- Yes.

49:48SPEAKERHow does it handle decryption and authentication and stuff?

49:53SPEAKERJust passphrase or?

49:54SPEAKER- There's a bazillion ways.

49:55SPEAKERI don't, you know, it's funny, I don't know.

49:57SPEAKERI have it up.

49:58SPEAKERSo this is one of those ones

49:59SPEAKERthat doesn't update automatically.

50:02SPEAKERSo I don't know if they've supported hardware keys yet

50:06SPEAKER'cause I haven't updated it in probably two years,

50:10SPEAKERwhich I realize now is probably a problem.

50:13SPEAKERBut yeah, it's passphrases is what I use usually.

50:21SPEAKERLet's see, let me make a new one

50:22SPEAKERand see what the options are.

50:24SPEAKERCreate volume.

50:26SPEAKERYou can create an encrypted file container.

50:28SPEAKERYou can encrypt a non-system partition or drive,

50:31SPEAKERor you can encrypt the system partition

50:32SPEAKERor entire system drive.

50:33SPEAKERThat's obviously, don't encrypt your system partition

50:37SPEAKERwithout really thinking about it

50:38SPEAKER'cause you'll cause a problem for yourself.

50:41SPEAKER- Like I should mention right now that my experiences

50:43SPEAKERwith FreeNAS have kind of spooked me on drive encryption.

50:46SPEAKER- Yeah, you can really hose yourself.

50:48SPEAKER- I had just enough near misses

50:49SPEAKERwhere it seemed like my storage pool

50:51SPEAKERwasn't going to decrypt for some reason,

50:52SPEAKERthat I was like, I'm gonna stop encrypting anything

50:55SPEAKERbecause it's just not worth the stress.

50:57SPEAKER- It's better, I think unless you have specific needs,

51:01SPEAKERlike you work for a company

51:03SPEAKERthat requires whole drive encryption,

51:05SPEAKERor you work in an industry where that's important,

51:07SPEAKERor you do like healthcare stuff

51:09SPEAKERand you need HIPAA certification,

51:11SPEAKERI don't know anything about that shit.

51:14SPEAKERThere are reasons that people need to encrypt their drives,

51:15SPEAKERI get it.

51:16SPEAKERIf you're a normal ass human who does normal ass work

51:19SPEAKERand you have it like,

51:21SPEAKERliterally I have two folders of shit on my computer

51:23SPEAKERthat should be encrypted

51:25SPEAKERand the rest of it is like who fucking cares.

51:30SPEAKERThe point of this is if somebody breaks into your house

51:32SPEAKERand steals your computer,

51:33SPEAKERthey won't get the keys to your digital life

51:35SPEAKERas well as your hardware.

51:37SPEAKER- So going back to the before times,

51:39SPEAKERI think it was the first security episode we did

51:41SPEAKERwhere we talked about fire safes and stuff.

51:43SPEAKERI mean, like most things,

51:45SPEAKERit's hard to get a fire safe right now,

51:46SPEAKERbut I'm still intending eventually to do that

51:49SPEAKERand put a USB stick in there

51:50SPEAKERwith like you said, all the recovery keys and stuff.

51:53SPEAKER- I have a USB stick

51:54SPEAKERand I actually thought about putting paper in there

51:59SPEAKERfor a couple of like some of the real key ones,

52:03SPEAKERbut I kind of chickened out at the last minute

52:05SPEAKERand I just put it,

52:06SPEAKERso I put a USB stick

52:07SPEAKERthat has a VeraCrypt encrypted volume

52:12SPEAKERthat has all of the codes on it

52:14SPEAKERand I made the password easy enough that I can remember.

52:16SPEAKER- Right, so like that's what I was gonna say,

52:17SPEAKERlike that is a perfect candidate for this, right?

52:20SPEAKER- Yeah.

52:21SPEAKER- Like I've just been amassing recovery codes

52:23SPEAKERfor all of the services I use

52:24SPEAKERand like that should be encrypted, right?

52:27SPEAKER- Well, and it's interesting

52:27SPEAKER'cause the other thing that I realized when we signed up,

52:31SPEAKERso Gina, after I guess around the time

52:34SPEAKERwe did that security episode,

52:35SPEAKERGina finally signed up for 1Password

52:37SPEAKERafter me asking her to do it for the better part of a decade

52:40SPEAKERand we switched to a family account

52:42SPEAKERand with the family account,

52:44SPEAKERthere's a methodology for like her to get access

52:49SPEAKERto my password vault

52:50SPEAKERor her to get me to get access to her password vault.

52:53SPEAKERIt doesn't, you can't do it silently.

52:56SPEAKERLike I can't just log in and see her passwords,

52:59SPEAKERlike if I do that, then it notifies her

53:01SPEAKERand she gets a notification

53:02SPEAKERand there's like a process for that,

53:05SPEAKERbut it means that if something happens to me,

53:07SPEAKERthen she doesn't have to try to figure out

53:09SPEAKERhow to get into my password vault

53:10SPEAKERif I didn't tell her how, which is really good.

53:13SPEAKER- Yes, you need some fail safes.

53:16SPEAKER- Well, I mean, it's funny when we did that episode,

53:19SPEAKERwe got emails from a couple of readers or listeners

53:22SPEAKERwho literally had a family member die

53:27SPEAKERand they had to figure out

53:28SPEAKERhow to get into their password manager

53:29SPEAKERand if you don't have some sort of contingency for that

53:33SPEAKERor it's not built into the service,

53:34SPEAKERthen it's a problem 'cause encryption is,

53:38SPEAKERencryption doesn't care what the judge says

53:40SPEAKERand the executor says.

53:41SPEAKER- That's not a time that you wanna be having

53:42SPEAKERto fiddle with stuff like that.

53:44SPEAKER- Exactly.

53:46SPEAKERI was gonna say the other one I use is Malwarebytes,

53:48SPEAKERthe other little one.

53:50SPEAKERThere's a free version of Malwarebytes.

53:51SPEAKERBasically, it's maybe not the best

53:56SPEAKERfor your main antivirus/malware protection,

53:59SPEAKERbut it's a really good sanity check

54:02SPEAKERon top of the Windows version

54:03SPEAKERor whatever free thing you use.

54:05SPEAKER- Do you like Windows Defender?

54:06SPEAKERLike my impression, and I don't,

54:08SPEAKERthis is just kind of hearsay,

54:10SPEAKERbut is that it's gotten pretty good?

54:11SPEAKER- The feeling I have, and this is based on listening

54:14SPEAKERto people who know more about this than me,

54:16SPEAKERis that it's good enough for most people.

54:18SPEAKER- Okay.

54:20SPEAKER- And it doesn't have a lot of the baggage

54:23SPEAKERthat the heavier solutions have.

54:26SPEAKERIt's not developed in Russia, sorry, Kaspersky.

54:29SPEAKERIt's not super heavy.

54:34SPEAKERIt does a pretty good job,

54:37SPEAKERand it's integrated well into Windows.

54:39SPEAKERSo Malwarebytes gives you another layer of,

54:42SPEAKERif you're worried that something's on your computer,

54:43SPEAKERyou can run that manually or set a crontab, probably,

54:47SPEAKERto run it every couple weeks, once a month,

54:50SPEAKERthat will let you know that, hey, yeah, you're clean.

54:54SPEAKER- I just, since you mentioned the crontab again,

54:56SPEAKERI just wanna say I wish every single application

54:58SPEAKERhad a command line interface at this point,

55:02SPEAKERjust an optional one.

55:03SPEAKERYou don't have to expose it.

55:04SPEAKERIt could just be buried in the readme or whatever,

55:05SPEAKERbut just let me do stuff from the command line

55:07SPEAKERso I can automate everything.

55:08SPEAKER- It was one of the things that was really nice

55:10SPEAKERabout OS X when I switched to that in the last decade,

55:13SPEAKERdecade before last, now I go.

55:15SPEAKER- So does Malwarebytes do anything substantively different

55:18SPEAKERfrom other antivirus, or is it just another one?

55:21SPEAKER- It's more, my understanding is more

55:23SPEAKERthat they're good at scanning in a way,

55:25SPEAKERlike not, I mean, they're good at real-time stuff, I'm sure.

55:28SPEAKERBut the free version is really good

55:31SPEAKERif you're worried that you're compromised

55:32SPEAKERto go through and do a sanity check.

55:34SPEAKER- I see.

55:35SPEAKER- Yeah. - Okay, all right.

55:38SPEAKERI don't know, that's--

55:40SPEAKER- You got anything else you wanna talk about?

55:41SPEAKER- Probably all I wanna get, well, do you have a,

55:44SPEAKERI guess I should ask real fast.

55:45SPEAKERYou have a, like a kind of, I'm trying to think,

55:49SPEAKERlike, I don't think code editor

55:51SPEAKERis quite what I'm looking for here,

55:53SPEAKERbut like a better than Notepad text editing solution.

55:57SPEAKER- Do you use Notepad 2 or Notepad++?

56:00SPEAKER- I have got Notepad++ at the moment, which is not bad.

56:04SPEAKERThere are a couple of things I wish were better about it,

56:05SPEAKERbut like, I've gotten to the point

56:07SPEAKERwhere I need something that is monospace,

56:09SPEAKERbut also it tells me like line numbers

56:11SPEAKERand like has sensible word wrap options and stuff like that,

56:14SPEAKERyou know what I mean?

56:15SPEAKERYou know, for editing that fake crontab and stuff like that.

56:19SPEAKER- Oh, well, and also it's nice when you open up

56:20SPEAKERlike a config file that's on your BSD machine

56:23SPEAKERor on a Raspberry Pi or something.

56:24SPEAKER- Yes, it's very useful for, like Notepad is terrible.

56:26SPEAKERLike the straight up stock Windows Notepad

56:29SPEAKERis useless for stuff like that.

56:30SPEAKER- Well, and not only because you don't have

56:32SPEAKERthe formatting stuff that you need,

56:34SPEAKERbut also you don't have,

56:39SPEAKERit adds a line end stuff that janks and jacks you up.

56:43SPEAKER- Yes, it uses the Windows or the DOS version

56:45SPEAKERof line ends that Unix machines don't like.

56:48SPEAKERAlso it just chokes on files

56:49SPEAKERthat are bigger than a few megabytes.

56:51SPEAKERSo if you have a gigantic log file

56:53SPEAKERthat came out of something

56:54SPEAKERthat was stuck in some kind of loop

56:55SPEAKERand you need to see what was going on,

56:56SPEAKERNotepad is not gonna work.

56:58SPEAKER- Oh man, I forgot about Filebot.

56:59SPEAKERWe should have talked about that.

57:01SPEAKERSo I usually use either Notepad 2 or Notepad++.

57:04SPEAKERI'm looking to see-- - I never look into Notepad 2.

57:07SPEAKER- I'm looking to see,

57:08SPEAKERNotepad 2 you can find on Flows Freeware.

57:10SPEAKER- Okay.

57:12SPEAKER- No, I have Notepad++ installed right now.

57:13SPEAKERSo that must be what I like right now.

57:15SPEAKER- That's what I'm using, it seems fine.

57:17SPEAKERI think a lot of people use it.

57:18SPEAKER- It's not, you know, it's no Emacs.

57:20SPEAKER- Like, no, what is?

57:22SPEAKERI mean, I don't think you're gonna code in it.

57:23SPEAKERI think people will use VS code and stuff like that

57:26SPEAKERfor actual development.

57:27SPEAKERBut like for just for parsing big text files,

57:30SPEAKERit seems pretty good.

57:31SPEAKERI still haven't found a theme I like though.

57:33SPEAKER- It does, Textpad is another one that people like.

57:38SPEAKERI've never used it.

57:40SPEAKER- I remember that name.

57:42SPEAKER- But Notepad++ does do context.

57:45SPEAKER- Like it can highlight syntax and stuff like that.

57:48SPEAKER- Yes, it does have pretty good syntax highlighting.

57:51SPEAKER- Yeah, like I don't know.

57:53SPEAKERI feel like it's--

57:54SPEAKER- I'll probably stick with that one

57:55SPEAKERunless somebody writes in with something better.

57:57SPEAKER- Yeah, this is firmly in the realm

57:59SPEAKERof this has been good enough for me, so yeah.

58:02SPEAKER- That's probably what I'll stick with.

58:05SPEAKERYet another reason I need to get acquainted

58:07SPEAKERwith stuff like that.

58:07SPEAKERI've been messing with the new Windows Terminal,

58:09SPEAKERwhich finally went final, came out of preview.

58:12SPEAKER- Oh, the Linux subsystem thing?

58:14SPEAKER- No, no, no, this is kind of a wrapper

58:18SPEAKERfor all the various terminals

58:19SPEAKERthat you would use in Windows.

58:20SPEAKERSo like CMD.exe, which is the old,

58:24SPEAKERlike straight up DOS prompt replacement,

58:26SPEAKERPowerShell, Windows Subsystem for Linux,

58:29SPEAKERlike any of that stuff.

58:30SPEAKER- Oh, neat.

58:31SPEAKER- It's basically, it's a shell shell.

58:34SPEAKER- So can you open a tab that has one of the shells in it?

58:37SPEAKER- Yes, it is a tab based kind of single window solution

58:41SPEAKERfor all the different shells you would use in Windows.

58:43SPEAKER- Wow.

58:45SPEAKER- And it seems super robust

58:46SPEAKERand in all the ways you can configure it,

58:47SPEAKERexcept that you have to configure it in a JSON file.

58:51SPEAKERLike there is no graphical configuration whatsoever.

58:55SPEAKERYou click settings and it literally pops the JSON file

58:57SPEAKERand whatever your text editor is.

58:59SPEAKERSo you need text editors for stuff like that these days.

59:04SPEAKERLike I love it personally,

59:07SPEAKERlike any developer is gonna be used to stuff like that.

59:09SPEAKERSo it's not a problem,

59:10SPEAKERbut it is kind of interesting to see like Microsoft

59:13SPEAKERof all companies pushing apps out

59:14SPEAKERthat you have to configure in a text application.

59:17SPEAKER- It's a weird, it's an interesting choice

59:20SPEAKER'cause it kind of automatically gates the people

59:22SPEAKERwho use that tool to the people who need that tool.

59:24SPEAKER- Right, totally.

59:26SPEAKERYeah, it's kind of weird, right?

59:28SPEAKER- Honestly, I've gotten really excited

59:30SPEAKERabout that Windows Subsystem for Linux stuff hitting.

59:34SPEAKERIf for no other reason

59:35SPEAKERthan so I can finally get rid of putty.

59:38SPEAKER- Okay.

59:39SPEAKER- I hate putty.

59:40SPEAKER- Oh, putty is not that bad.

59:41SPEAKERI don't use it actively,

59:43SPEAKERbut putty is okay, I use it for serial console stuff.

59:46SPEAKER- So I have problem, putty I get,

59:49SPEAKERthe problem with putty is that

59:51SPEAKERit doesn't just load the last connection

59:53SPEAKERyou saved automatically.

59:55SPEAKERSo often I overwrite my save

59:59SPEAKERbecause I have like the wrong thing selected the menu

1:00:02SPEAKERand then hit load or hit save.

1:00:04SPEAKERAnd it just replaces the shortcut that I had before.

1:00:08SPEAKER- Well, so--

1:00:09SPEAKER- Then I have to go dig out my SSH keys again

1:00:11SPEAKERand set them back up.

1:00:12SPEAKERAnd it has a terrible UI.

1:00:15SPEAKER- A lot of people seem to not know this

1:00:17SPEAKER'cause I don't think it was well publicized,

1:00:18SPEAKERbut Windows has a built-in SSH client now.

1:00:20SPEAKERIt's just ssh.exe, it's just a port of open SSH I think.

1:00:24SPEAKER- How do you put, where do you put your keys and stuff?

1:00:27SPEAKER- In .ssh in your home folder.

1:00:29SPEAKER- Fuck me.

1:00:30SPEAKER- Like Windows is getting more Unix-y and I love it.

1:00:32SPEAKERLike that's just how it works in Linux and BSD, right?

1:00:35SPEAKERYou have a .ssh directory in your home directory

1:00:38SPEAKERand you do that here too, it works exactly like,

1:00:40SPEAKERso yeah, your private keys and everything go in there.

1:00:43SPEAKER- So I can just open up this terminal window

1:00:45SPEAKERand bust out a command line.

1:00:47SPEAKER- Literally open command prompt in Windows type SSH,

1:00:51SPEAKERjust like you would in Unix and it just works.

1:00:54SPEAKERThat new terminal that I'm talking about,

1:00:55SPEAKERit's profile-based, the configuration,

1:00:57SPEAKERyou can set up different profiles that say like,

1:00:59SPEAKERopen this shell with this command,

1:01:01SPEAKERwith these font settings and blah, blah, blah.

1:01:03SPEAKERYou can literally just set up a keyboard shortcuts

1:01:05SPEAKERto say like, here is an SSH to my Mr,

1:01:08SPEAKERhere's an SSH to my NAS, stuff like that.

1:01:11SPEAKER- Wow.

1:01:12SPEAKER- But again, you're gonna have to like figure out

1:01:14SPEAKERJSON formatting and like how to set up

1:01:16SPEAKERall the stuff like that, it's a rabbit hole.

1:01:19SPEAKER- JSON's pretty straightforward, it's not scary, it's not.

1:01:22SPEAKER- No, I've just never done it before.

1:01:24SPEAKER- It's like an extra XML.

1:01:26SPEAKER- Yes, having to learn specific syntax

1:01:28SPEAKERfor just to configure something

1:01:29SPEAKERis kind of a pain in the ass, but I'm not a developer.

1:01:32SPEAKER- Yeah, there you go.

1:01:33SPEAKER- So.

1:01:34SPEAKER- So yeah, that's it, I guess that's it for me.

1:01:36SPEAKER- Yeah, that's some stuff.

1:01:38SPEAKERIf you, I would love to hear the things,

1:01:42SPEAKERso again, it's kind of an amorphous definition of tool,

1:01:45SPEAKERbut it's like tech unit taskers

1:01:49SPEAKERkind of is the way I think of them.

1:01:50SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:01:51SPEAKER- And I'd love to hear people's favorites,

1:01:53SPEAKEReither, I was gonna say in the comments,

1:01:56SPEAKERbut we don't do that.

1:01:57SPEAKERYou can send an email to techpod@content.town

1:02:02SPEAKERor hit us on Twitter @sweatpantstechpod,

1:02:04SPEAKERsweatpants tech, sweatpants tech on Twitter, yeah.

1:02:07SPEAKERSomething like that.

1:02:08SPEAKER- There's no pod or posting the Discord

1:02:12SPEAKERin this week's episode if you're in there.

1:02:15SPEAKERAnd as always, I would like to thank our patrons.

1:02:20SPEAKER- We would like to thank.

1:02:21SPEAKER- We would like to thank our patrons, sorry, Brad.

1:02:24SPEAKERWe have a fabulous group of 758 people now

1:02:29SPEAKERare backing the pod.

1:02:30SPEAKERThank you all so, so much.

1:02:33SPEAKER- Yes, absolutely.

1:02:34SPEAKER- But extra special thanks

1:02:35SPEAKERto our executive producer level patrons,

1:02:39SPEAKERAndrew Cotton, David Allen, and Jacob Chapel.

1:02:41SPEAKER- You can't see it, but I'm wincing right now.

1:02:44SPEAKER- Why?

1:02:45SPEAKER- Patrons, I thought we've been over this, man.

1:02:48SPEAKER- Look man, it's early, okay, I'm tired.

1:02:51SPEAKER- That's fair, that's fair.

1:02:52SPEAKERWe've both got a bad head.

1:02:54SPEAKER- Here's the part, look, I drink coffee some days

1:02:57SPEAKERand I drink tea other days.

1:02:58SPEAKERAnd on the tea days,

1:02:59SPEAKERI don't get enough caffeine fast enough to be.

1:03:01SPEAKER- Why not both?

1:03:02SPEAKER- Well, I mean, I'll go make a cup of coffee after this,

1:03:05SPEAKERbut the tea hasn't cut it so far.

1:03:10SPEAKERBut yeah, thanks to our executive level producers

1:03:13SPEAKERand all 758 of you wonderful nerds

1:03:17SPEAKERwho backed the Patreon every month.

1:03:21SPEAKERAnd Brad, I added another new channel to the Discord.

1:03:26SPEAKER- I saw that, I wasn't expecting that.

1:03:29SPEAKER- Look, I didn't feel good about it.

1:03:31SPEAKERI'm gonna go ahead and say.

1:03:33SPEAKER- I'm not here to judge.

1:03:34SPEAKERThey were talking about sports in the general chat.

1:03:38SPEAKER- We are not the kind of nerds that look down

1:03:39SPEAKERon an appreciation of sports.

1:03:42SPEAKER- No, no, we're inclusive nerds.

1:03:43SPEAKERThis is an inclusive group of people.

1:03:46SPEAKER- We're not sports ball hand to egg types over here.

1:03:48SPEAKER- Yeah, no, but somebody said,

1:03:51SPEAKER"You know, it would be nice if we had a place

1:03:52SPEAKER"to put the sports chat,

1:03:53SPEAKER"so I didn't have to look at it in the general channel."

1:03:55SPEAKER- Yeah, that's a good reason.

1:03:57SPEAKER- I was like, that's a good reason, yeah.

1:03:58SPEAKERI think that was actually a chapel,

1:04:00SPEAKERbut I don't remember for sure.

1:04:02SPEAKERAnyway, thank you to all the patrons.

1:04:05SPEAKERThanks to everybody who listens every week.

1:04:06SPEAKERIf you don't support the Patreon, that's great.

1:04:08SPEAKERThat's fine, we're good.

1:04:10SPEAKERDefinitely tell your friends about the podcast,

1:04:12SPEAKERwrite an iTunes review.

1:04:14SPEAKERI go through those every couple of weeks,

1:04:15SPEAKERand they're usually really funny,

1:04:17SPEAKER'cause people post weird iTunes reviews

1:04:19SPEAKERon podcasts that we do apparently, which is good.

1:04:22SPEAKER- I'll take a funny user review.

1:04:24SPEAKER- Yeah, and yeah, if you like the show,

1:04:29SPEAKERif you don't like the show, let us know.

1:04:29SPEAKERWe'd love to hear what you think.

1:04:31SPEAKERFeedback is always welcome.

1:04:34SPEAKERAnd my feedback is that I'm kind of disappointed

1:04:38SPEAKERwith the lack of sign-off catchphrases that we got.

1:04:41SPEAKERThe best one I thought we got.

1:04:43SPEAKER- Yeah?

1:04:44SPEAKER- See you all next week, put some cheese on it.

1:04:46SPEAKER- That's, hmm.

1:04:47SPEAKEROkay, I don't--

1:04:48SPEAKER- Don't forget to put some cheese on it.

1:04:52SPEAKER- I'm gonna tell you what my idea was,

1:04:53SPEAKER'cause I'm not gonna follow through on it,

1:04:54SPEAKER'cause it's terrible.

1:04:55SPEAKER- Let's have it, let's hear it.

1:04:56SPEAKER- I looked up the Haze modem command set.

1:05:02SPEAKER- Oh yeah.

1:05:03SPEAKER- And I tried to figure out what the command string was

1:05:05SPEAKERfor hang up the modem.

1:05:07SPEAKER- Oh, it's like A-T-1-0 or something, right?

1:05:09SPEAKER- I think it's A-T-H.

1:05:11SPEAKERThat's my sign-off catchphrase, A-T-H.

1:05:14SPEAKER- A-T-H.

1:05:17SPEAKERSomebody did suggest that we end the episode

1:05:20SPEAKERwith us trying to make modem noises with our mouths,

1:05:23SPEAKERwhich I think is a much better way to start the show.

1:05:26SPEAKER- I should just, do you think there are royalty-free,

1:05:30SPEAKERlicense-free samples of modem stuff out there?

1:05:34SPEAKER- You want some modems?

1:05:35SPEAKERI can get you some modem samples by three o'clock today.

1:05:37SPEAKER- I will happily start ending this show

1:05:39SPEAKERwith a modem sound.

1:05:40SPEAKER- I gotta say, did you ever, when you had a modem,

1:05:43SPEAKERI used to be able to whistle.

1:05:45SPEAKER- Wow.

1:05:46SPEAKER- I used to be able to whistle the first part of the pickup

1:05:48SPEAKERso that the modem would pick up

1:05:49SPEAKERwhen somebody would fax me.

1:05:50SPEAKER- That's really impressive.

1:05:52SPEAKER(whistling)

1:05:56SPEAKER- And then the fax machine would keep beeping

1:05:57SPEAKERand trying to send messages and it wouldn't go.

1:05:59SPEAKER- I think we've got our sign-off now.

1:06:01SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:06:02SPEAKER- That's like the '80s version of saying Xbox on

1:06:05SPEAKERinto a podcast mic and having it turn somebody's Xbox on.

1:06:09SPEAKER- Hey, Siri.

1:06:10SPEAKER- Yeah, right.

1:06:11SPEAKER- Okay, Google.

1:06:12SPEAKERAlexa, what's the weather?

1:06:16SPEAKER- Oh, God damn it.

1:06:17SPEAKERSo you've done it to yourself.

1:06:18SPEAKERAll right, we have to stop this.

1:06:20SPEAKER- Bye, everybody.

1:06:22SPEAKER(beeping)

1:06:27SPEAKER(electronic beeping)