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335: With Craft and Focus

2026-04-19 · 1:16:42

00:00SPEAKER- Okay, I bought something cool.

00:02SPEAKER- I like cool, it's better than not cool.

00:06SPEAKER- Back in the days when Blue Sky still worked,

00:07SPEAKERI telegraphed this there.

00:09SPEAKERLike decided- - Hasn't been down all day?

00:11SPEAKER- They've had problems the last couple of days.

00:12SPEAKER- This has not been going anyway.

00:15SPEAKER- Look, one of the side effects of the vibe coding era

00:18SPEAKERof web properties and platforms seems to be that uptime

00:22SPEAKERis no longer considered as important as it once was.

00:25SPEAKER- It's optional.

00:26SPEAKERIt's not, uptime is now a nice to have.

00:29SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah, it's like the Maslow's hierarchy

00:32SPEAKERof internet needs.

00:33SPEAKERIt's like a number four behind sick beats

00:36SPEAKERand like funny emojis, I guess.

00:39SPEAKERBut I told people the couple of nights ago

00:43SPEAKERthat I was gonna get,

00:44SPEAKERI think I might be a mechanical pencil guy.

00:46SPEAKER- Oh, wait, hang on, you've worked before?

00:49SPEAKER- Well, you know, like I for a long time have used these,

00:53SPEAKERlike their Paper Mate little Sharp writers,

00:57SPEAKERthe little yellow ones, they're kind of disposable.

00:59SPEAKER- Yeah, with the twisty tip?

01:01SPEAKER- Yeah, the twisty tip, the problem with them

01:03SPEAKERis there's only one piece of lead in there, right?

01:06SPEAKERSo it's a pretty wasteful design.

01:08SPEAKERIt makes a lot of plastic, which I don't like.

01:10SPEAKER- Oh, so they're literally just one and done,

01:12SPEAKERlike use up the graphite and then just toss it?

01:14SPEAKER- Use it and toss it. - That stinks.

01:16SPEAKER- It's a very boomer solution to a,

01:18SPEAKERhey, I need a mechanical pencil

01:19SPEAKERthat doesn't cost $10 problem.

01:21SPEAKER- Myself and at least one of my friends, if not all of us,

01:24SPEAKERwere big Pentel quicker clicker guys in school.

01:28SPEAKER- Is that the silver one with the black trim?

01:31SPEAKER- They come in different colors, but they were mostly,

01:33SPEAKERoh, I'm looking, oh, the modern version

01:34SPEAKERlooks pretty different.

01:36SPEAKERBack then it was a clear plastic body, very fine tip.

01:43SPEAKER- And you pitched the side?

01:44SPEAKER- The button was, yeah, like around the,

01:46SPEAKERkind of around where you would hold it

01:47SPEAKERwith your fingers to write.

01:49SPEAKERYou just kind of hold it around the button

01:50SPEAKERand not put your finger on the button.

01:52SPEAKERBut that was, it was extremely replaceable

01:56SPEAKERor basically the inside of the body of the pencil

01:59SPEAKERcould hold like a whole bunch of extra graphites

02:01SPEAKERand one would just kind of feed down into the hole

02:03SPEAKERwhen the previous one was short enough.

02:06SPEAKERAnd you could just fill it up with graphite

02:08SPEAKERand go like most of the school year.

02:10SPEAKER- So when I was in high school,

02:12SPEAKERI was all about that zebra mechanical pencil life.

02:15SPEAKERThe one with the, it was like a drafting pencil.

02:18SPEAKERSo it had a long fine point.

02:20SPEAKERAnd anyway, the thing I found though,

02:24SPEAKERlook, sometimes you gotta trust Japan, you know?

02:28SPEAKER'Cause when it comes to stationary, Japan, strong game.

02:32SPEAKER- I bet there were some amazing

02:33SPEAKERJapanese mechanical pencils.

02:35SPEAKER- Yeah, so I went, I found a YouTube channel.

02:37SPEAKERIt's gonna cost me some money, I think probably.

02:40SPEAKERBut I got the first one in the other day

02:43SPEAKERand I've been using it for about a week now.

02:45SPEAKERAnd it's a remarkable, a remarkable mechanical pencil.

02:48SPEAKERThis is a Kitabashi two millimeter mechanical pencil.

02:52SPEAKERSo most mechanical pencils are like 0.5 mils.

02:54SPEAKERIt's very, very fine lead.

02:57SPEAKERThis is the thickness of a normal wooden pencil lead.

03:01SPEAKER- Interesting.

03:02SPEAKER- It comes with a lead sharpener

03:04SPEAKERthat you just jam the lead down into

03:05SPEAKERto make it put a good point on it.

03:08SPEAKERAnd the frame of it is made of wood.

03:12SPEAKERSo it feels like a normal pencil.

03:14SPEAKER- Wild.

03:15SPEAKER- It just doesn't get ground down.

03:17SPEAKERAnd it was like $9.

03:19SPEAKER- All right.

03:19SPEAKER- I am enjoying it so much.

03:22SPEAKER'Cause it's like, get the fine point for drawing.

03:24SPEAKERYou get the shading on the side, all that stuff.

03:27SPEAKERIt's fantastic.

03:28SPEAKER- Domestic reseller?

03:30SPEAKERShould I assume you didn't have to order it from Japan?

03:33SPEAKER- I bought it at a stationary shop

03:35SPEAKERdown the peninsula a little bit, but they have them on Amazon.

03:40SPEAKERI looked before I started talking about it.

03:41SPEAKERSo it's the, again, it's the Kitabashi two mil

03:45SPEAKERmechanical pencil matter barrel

03:47SPEAKERis the version I got, the red one.

03:49SPEAKER- I assume they have like finer tip ones as well.

03:51SPEAKER- They do normal, they do traditional.

03:53SPEAKERSo this is a, I think this is the,

03:56SPEAKERper the YouTube video I watched,

03:57SPEAKERI believe that this is a traditional wooden pencil company

04:01SPEAKERthat got in the mechanical pencil game

04:04SPEAKERbecause they viewed that as a,

04:07SPEAKERthere's not that many people making pencils anymore.

04:09SPEAKERAnd they were like, we should cover all the base.

04:11SPEAKERWe should cover all the pencil bases.

04:13SPEAKERWe should do mechanical and traditional pencils.

04:15SPEAKER- Is that a thing,

04:16SPEAKERmuch like there are only three companies

04:17SPEAKERmaking hard drives now,

04:18SPEAKERor there are actually not that many pencil manufacturers?

04:21SPEAKER- I want to say that at one point

04:22SPEAKERthere were like 30 or 40 Japanese pencil manufacturers

04:25SPEAKERand now there's three.

04:26SPEAKERSo yeah, similar situation.

04:28SPEAKERI mean, look, you're always going to get

04:30SPEAKERa Ticron Condoroga, right?

04:32SPEAKERIt's not like the CRT world where one day

04:36SPEAKERthe Ticron Condoroga, the last Ticron Condoroga

04:38SPEAKERwill roll off the line.

04:39SPEAKERBut I mean, maybe it is.

04:42SPEAKERBut the kids still use pencils.

04:43SPEAKERThat's all I know.

04:44SPEAKER- Yeah, I believe it.

04:45SPEAKER- Even in a world with a world without Scantron,

04:47SPEAKERthey still need a number two pencil occasionally.

04:50SPEAKER- They don't Scantron anymore?

04:52SPEAKER- No, they just use computers, man.

04:53SPEAKERIt's the future.

04:54SPEAKER- Man, this might be the one time

04:56SPEAKERI've ever been disappointed by the phrase,

04:58SPEAKER"No, they just use computers now."

05:01SPEAKER- I'm going to go and tell you,

05:02SPEAKERthe kids hate taking tests on computers.

05:04SPEAKER- Really?

05:05SPEAKER- At least my daughter and her friends all hate it.

05:07SPEAKERBecause like you think about it,

05:08SPEAKERyou're like doing a math part of a standardized test

05:12SPEAKERand you have to have a scratch sheet next to you

05:14SPEAKERbecause you're doing your figuring on a piece of paper.

05:17SPEAKERBut then you're just bouncing back and forth

05:21SPEAKERbetween keyboard and paper and keyboard and paper

05:23SPEAKERand keyboard and paper and it sucks.

05:25SPEAKER- God, I can't believe I'm nostalgic

05:27SPEAKERfor filling in little bubbles.

05:29SPEAKER- I mean, look, I have a printer.

05:30SPEAKERI can give you bubbles to fill.

05:33SPEAKERIt's not going to be the same,

05:34SPEAKERbut it'll give you the bubble-filling needs.

05:36SPEAKER- Okay, we might have to talk later.

05:37SPEAKERAll right, last thing.

05:38SPEAKERDid you want to name and shame the YouTube channel?

05:41SPEAKERThat's not name and shame.

05:43SPEAKERDo you want to name and fame the YouTube channel?

05:45SPEAKER- I don't remember.

05:47SPEAKERIt was a short, so it was disposable.

05:49SPEAKER- Okay, as we all know, shorts don't exist on servers.

05:54SPEAKERThey just evaporate into the ether after viewing.

05:57SPEAKER- Look, I can go into my history and I can probably find it,

06:01SPEAKERbut it's going to be back in time a little bit.

06:03SPEAKER- All right, well, you know,

06:06SPEAKERprobably the fewer shorts viewed, the better.

06:08SPEAKER- Yeah, I like the shorts.

06:11SPEAKER- I watched, we watched an eye-opening video on,

06:15SPEAKERdo you know Haltown?

06:17SPEAKER- Yeah.

06:17SPEAKER- You know Joss Fong?

06:19SPEAKER- Yeah.

06:19SPEAKER- I don't know her, but I-

06:20SPEAKER- I don't know them personally.

06:21SPEAKER- I know of her and I don't know if her co-founders

06:24SPEAKERof that channel also, she was with The Verge before, I think?

06:28SPEAKER- That seems right, maybe.

06:30SPEAKER- She and a couple of other people have their own channel now

06:32SPEAKERdoing the same types of deep dive science-y videos

06:35SPEAKERthat I think they were doing for The Verge

06:38SPEAKERor whoever it was, they did a pretty long one

06:40SPEAKERabout the effect on the brain

06:42SPEAKERof too much short-form video scrolling.

06:45SPEAKER- It's probably good, right?

06:46SPEAKER- It was alarming.

06:48SPEAKER- Oh no.

06:49SPEAKER- There have been some studies.

06:50SPEAKER- Oh no, I watched a lot of short-term videos.

06:53SPEAKER- Oh look, it's your brain, man.

06:55SPEAKER(upbeat music)

07:08SPEAKER(upbeat music continues)

07:23SPEAKER- Welcome to Brad and Will Metatek Pod, I'm Will.

07:26SPEAKER- I'm Brad.

07:27SPEAKER- I found the video.

07:28SPEAKER- Great, that was quick.

07:29SPEAKER- Yeah, I found it, it's at the BUNGU store, B-U-N-G-U store.

07:34SPEAKERI think they sell mechanical pencils.

07:36SPEAKER- That would make sense.

07:37SPEAKER- Yeah, I like a YouTube short where they sell the thing.

07:40SPEAKERLike I like watching people make candy, that's interesting.

07:43SPEAKER- Oh, that's, I Googled the name of the pencil

07:46SPEAKERyou mentioned and that was in fact the store

07:48SPEAKERI had already ended up on to buy the pencil.

07:51SPEAKERSo they've really cornered the market

07:54SPEAKERon this particular model of pencil.

07:55SPEAKER- Now the problem is I don't know

07:57SPEAKERwhere I'm gonna get the two mil lead.

07:58SPEAKERI guess this is probably where they get you.

08:00SPEAKERThey sell you the pencil for cheap

08:01SPEAKERand then the leads are gonna be like $35 each

08:03SPEAKERor something ridiculous, but you know.

08:05SPEAKER- Here is a $44 all metal mechanical pencil

08:09SPEAKERthat looks like a dentist's implement.

08:11SPEAKER- Nope, got to get enough of that at the dentist.

08:14SPEAKER- It's kind of scary looking.

08:15SPEAKERWhat is the, what is that?

08:17SPEAKERGod, not only do I not know the name

08:19SPEAKERfor this type of metal surfacing,

08:20SPEAKERI don't even know the name for the-

08:22SPEAKER- The knurling?

08:23SPEAKER- Knurling, I think knurling is in fact it.

08:24SPEAKERIt's like the-

08:25SPEAKER- Knurling, it's like a crosshatch pattern kind of thing.

08:27SPEAKER- Yeah, like a textured.

08:28SPEAKER- Yeah, it makes it grippier.

08:30SPEAKER- Geometrically textured, yeah,

08:31SPEAKERit's got a big fat knurl to grip on it.

08:34SPEAKER- Yeah, when you do that on a lathe,

08:35SPEAKERthere's a special bit that you put on the lathe

08:37SPEAKERthat goes around the edge of whatever you're cutting into

08:40SPEAKERthat it digs that pattern into the metal.

08:42SPEAKER- And this one has multiple, it has optional tips.

08:45SPEAKERThis does it up to 0.3 millimeter tip.

08:48SPEAKER- That's, 0.3 is not big enough, I need two.

08:51SPEAKER- This is a scary pencil.

08:52SPEAKER- Yeah, I have a couple more coming.

08:54SPEAKERI've maybe made a mistake, but I'll report back in later.

08:59SPEAKERI did also, that pencil doesn't have an eraser on it,

09:01SPEAKERwhich was the first thing my wife pointed out

09:02SPEAKERand I was like, hey, check out this cool pencil I bought.

09:05SPEAKERShe's like, where's the eraser?

09:06SPEAKERI was like, well, I mean, if you make mistakes,

09:07SPEAKERI guess that's a problem.

09:09SPEAKERBut I got a pack of mono Japanese plastic erasers

09:16SPEAKERat the stationery store to go with it.

09:18SPEAKER'Cause the guy was like, hey, this doesn't have an eraser.

09:20SPEAKER- Okay, last pencil thing, we should move on.

09:22SPEAKERBut I went in their store, went to the pencil section

09:26SPEAKERand sorted price high to low, what do you think?

09:29SPEAKER- 50 bucks.

09:30SPEAKER- $245 is the most expensive mechanical pencil they have.

09:35SPEAKER- What is it used for?

09:38SPEAKER- I don't know, it just looks nice.

09:42SPEAKERRevolutionize your writing experience

09:44SPEAKERwith the Kuru Toga dive mechanical pencil.

09:48SPEAKER- So I have one coming that like just the movement

09:51SPEAKERof your hand pushes the lead out.

09:53SPEAKER- Okay.

09:54SPEAKER- Just like you shake your hand a little bit

09:56SPEAKERand it pushes it out and Brad's making a big face now.

09:59SPEAKER- Okay, wait, hang on.

10:00SPEAKERI was so blown away by what I was reading

10:02SPEAKERthat I'm not sure, could you repeat?

10:04SPEAKER- So I have another pencil coming that you shake your hand

10:06SPEAKERto move, like the movement of your hand

10:08SPEAKERextends the lead naturally.

10:09SPEAKER- I heard enough of what you said to hear

10:11SPEAKERthat it had a novel lead dispensing mechanism,

10:15SPEAKERbut you still have to interact with it

10:16SPEAKERto dispense the lead is what you're saying.

10:18SPEAKER- I think the idea is that the act of using it,

10:20SPEAKERlike moving it with your hand to write

10:22SPEAKERextends the lead automatically.

10:23SPEAKER- Okay, well this $245 pencil eliminates the need

10:28SPEAKERto knock the pencil while writing,

10:31SPEAKERutilizing the force of the lead pressing against the paper,

10:34SPEAKERthe world's first mechanism advances the lead automatically

10:37SPEAKERwithout dragging the pen tip.

10:39SPEAKER- Wow, that's wild.

10:40SPEAKER- Automatic lead advancement.

10:42SPEAKER- So it's like a self winding watch.

10:43SPEAKER- Yes, like the lead comes out as you write with the lead.

10:46SPEAKER- Sounds pretty good to me.

10:47SPEAKER- Yeah, anyway, all right.

10:49SPEAKER- Speaking of things that, you know, never stop working,

10:55SPEAKERI don't know, it's a bad segue.

10:57SPEAKERThere was this blog post for Microsoft a couple of weeks ago

11:02SPEAKERand it happened while you were out sick.

11:04SPEAKERSo we didn't talk about it here.

11:05SPEAKER- Yes, it's time to fix Windows 11.

11:08SPEAKER- Yeah, no, our commitment to Windows quality.

11:11SPEAKER- We're here to fix Windows 11 this week.

11:13SPEAKER- We're gonna make Windows work good again.

11:16SPEAKER- No, we're not.

11:17SPEAKER- No, no.

11:18SPEAKER- Yeah, I think we wouldn't, when did we bring this up?

11:20SPEAKERI think I maybe mentioned it very briefly.

11:22SPEAKERI think it posted right before my surgery.

11:25SPEAKERAnd I think I just maybe barely mentioned the existence

11:28SPEAKERof this blog post on that last Q&A episode before I was out.

11:31SPEAKER- Yeah, we talked about it briefly, but there's a lot here.

11:34SPEAKERIt's worth digging into.

11:35SPEAKER- Yeah, and I think we're gonna get into some ideas

11:38SPEAKERof our own for improving Windows 11.

11:40SPEAKERBut also I think like the fact that this blog post

11:43SPEAKEReven exists is pretty telling.

11:46SPEAKER- Yeah, like-

11:47SPEAKER- And is really like a signifier of maybe deeper

11:50SPEAKERand broader problems at Microsoft.

11:53SPEAKER- Well, you know, Microsoft's been in the business

11:55SPEAKERof shoveling AI down everybody's throats

11:57SPEAKERfor the last few years.

11:58SPEAKERAnd maybe, you know, they did the Co-Pilot Plus PCs,

12:01SPEAKERwhich didn't really move the needle on PC sales at all

12:04SPEAKERin the way that I think everybody involved

12:06SPEAKERwas hoping they would.

12:09SPEAKERAnd this feels like one of the great Mea Culpa blog posts.

12:14SPEAKERDo you remember when PUBG was still relatively new

12:17SPEAKERand they posted a blog post

12:20SPEAKER'cause they were having cheating problems

12:22SPEAKERand like game balance problems

12:24SPEAKERand they initiated the #FixPUBG campaign?

12:28SPEAKER- Wait, that was theirs?

12:29SPEAKER- Yeah, that was theirs.

12:30SPEAKER- Oh, I thought that was people who liked the game

12:32SPEAKERand were mad about it.

12:33SPEAKER- No, no, the people who liked the game

12:36SPEAKERand were mad about it made fun of it for years

12:38SPEAKERbecause the #FixPUBG campaign

12:40SPEAKERdidn't really #FixPUBG.

12:43SPEAKER- I don't know if as the product maker getting out there

12:45SPEAKERand publicizing the notion that your product needs fixing

12:49SPEAKERis the best, I don't know, maybe?

12:51SPEAKER- I think if you have obvious problems

12:54SPEAKERthat everybody who plays something

12:55SPEAKERor engages with it is aware of is a problem,

12:57SPEAKERthen acknowledging that there's a problem

12:59SPEAKERmakes a lot of sense.

13:00SPEAKERBut only if you have a concrete plan

13:02SPEAKERthat you're pretty confident you can execute on

13:04SPEAKERto actually solve those problems.

13:07SPEAKERAnd that's why we're talking about this blog post today

13:09SPEAKER'cause I don't think they have a concrete plan

13:12SPEAKERto solve most of these problems.

13:14SPEAKER- Yeah, some of these are pretty directly actionable.

13:17SPEAKEROthers feel pretty hand wavy and overly broad.

13:20SPEAKER- Well, okay, so this is from Pavan Davaluri,

13:24SPEAKERwho is the Windows Insider program team lead, I think,

13:29SPEAKERwhich means he's basically,

13:30SPEAKERoh, sorry, he's the EVP of Windows and devices.

13:33SPEAKERSo that means he's in charge of Windows and Surface

13:35SPEAKERand all the Windows devices that aren't Xbox, presumably.

13:39SPEAKER- Okay.

13:40SPEAKER- And it's written to Windows Insiders,

13:46SPEAKERwhich is, for folks who don't know,

13:47SPEAKERthe Windows Insider program's

13:49SPEAKERlike their public beta testing program.

13:51SPEAKERSo if you are a Windows enthusiast

13:53SPEAKERor you don't wanna pay for Windows,

13:55SPEAKERyou can sign up to be a Windows Insider

13:57SPEAKERand they will treat your Windows as if you paid for it

14:01SPEAKERand give you early,

14:04SPEAKERbasically, they dump early versions of the OS out

14:07SPEAKERto people in different versions of the Insider ring.

14:09SPEAKERThere's two or three rings.

14:11SPEAKERThere's one that's like,

14:12SPEAKERyou just get the new stuff as soon as it hits.

14:14SPEAKERThere's one that's like you're getting some beta software

14:17SPEAKERand there's one that you're on the bleeding edge.

14:22SPEAKERLike, here is the lead paragraph for this.

14:26SPEAKER"Hello, Windows Insiders.

14:28SPEAKER"I want to speak to you directly as an engineer

14:30SPEAKER"who has spent his career building technology

14:32SPEAKER"that people depend on every day.

14:34SPEAKER"Windows touches more people's lives

14:36SPEAKER"than almost any technology on Earth.

14:37SPEAKER"Every day, we hear from the community

14:39SPEAKER"about how you experience Windows.

14:41SPEAKER"And over the past several months,

14:42SPEAKER"the team and I have spent a great deal of time

14:44SPEAKER"analyzing your feedback.

14:45SPEAKER"What came through was the voice of people

14:47SPEAKER"who care deeply about Windows and want it to be better."

14:51SPEAKERI think that's-

14:54SPEAKER- That is a masterclass in massaging the reality

14:57SPEAKERto sound friendlier and more beneficial to the company.

15:01SPEAKER"What came through was the voice of people

15:03SPEAKER"who care deeply about Windows and want it to be better."

15:07SPEAKERI don't know if I'd say that's consistent

15:09SPEAKERwith a lot of the sentiment I see out there

15:11SPEAKERabout Windows these days,

15:12SPEAKERbut in a certain sense, he's not wrong.

15:17SPEAKER- Yeah, I mean, look,

15:18SPEAKERif you're gonna beta test Windows software for Microsoft,

15:21SPEAKERyou clearly care about the OS.

15:22SPEAKER- Okay, okay, yes.

15:23SPEAKER- And you clearly want it to be better, right?

15:24SPEAKER- I think I'm maybe being a little overly broad here

15:28SPEAKERabout who he's talking about.

15:29SPEAKERLike if you're talking strictly

15:30SPEAKERabout Windows Insider members

15:33SPEAKERor people on the inside rings or whatever,

15:36SPEAKERthen yes, those people probably do care deeply about Windows.

15:40SPEAKER- But I also, like you remember,

15:41SPEAKERthis is also six months after they said,

15:43SPEAKER"Hey, man, if you are on a Windows 10 machine

15:46SPEAKER"that doesn't support these things

15:47SPEAKER"that are less than 10 years old,

15:49SPEAKER"you can't use the new OS

15:51SPEAKER"and also we're turning off support for the old OS," right?

15:54SPEAKERSo I think they've fucked around

15:59SPEAKERand now they're in the finding out phase

16:01SPEAKERof that transition.

16:03SPEAKER- Yeah, I mean, this is amid Linux hitting all-time highs

16:06SPEAKERon the share of the Steam user survey and X, you know.

16:12SPEAKERThere's an asterisk there

16:13SPEAKER'cause they did change the way they report

16:15SPEAKERsome of those numbers, but I don't understand the,

16:18SPEAKERI haven't dug in enough to look at the nuance

16:20SPEAKERof how that works.

16:23SPEAKERBut anyway, yeah, so like this is a big May couple

16:26SPEAKERfrom Microsoft and basically he starts this blog post

16:31SPEAKERwith some stuff that they say they're gonna roll out

16:35SPEAKERat the end of March release and throughout April.

16:38SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah, so I think a couple of these things

16:40SPEAKERhave already happened in the three weeks

16:43SPEAKERsince this post ran, but then there's a much broader plan

16:46SPEAKERfor the rest of the year and we'll step through that

16:47SPEAKERafter we quickly dispense with the current stuff.

16:50SPEAKER- Well, and it's worth mentioning,

16:51SPEAKERhe's talking about in the insider builds for these, not,

16:54SPEAKERso if you're on a mainline build,

16:56SPEAKERyou probably won't see this until much later.

16:57SPEAKERAnd even if you are in the insider build,

16:59SPEAKERif you have a piece of hardware

17:00SPEAKERthat they've determined is incompatible,

17:02SPEAKER'cause this is part of the challenge

17:03SPEAKERwith the insider rings, right,

17:04SPEAKERis they look at the hardware in your system.

17:06SPEAKERIf they know that there's something

17:07SPEAKERthat's gonna cause an issue, they don't give you an update

17:10SPEAKERand you'll get it later when they resolve

17:11SPEAKERwhatever the issue is or when your driver's updated

17:14SPEAKERor whatever the problem is.

17:15SPEAKER- Which frankly, I appreciate that,

17:17SPEAKER'cause there have been a couple of cases in the past

17:19SPEAKERwhere like the annual update,

17:20SPEAKERI looked at the changelog or the known issues list rather,

17:23SPEAKERand saw something that absolutely would have bitten me

17:26SPEAKERfor whatever esoteric network share setup

17:29SPEAKERI've got or something.

17:30SPEAKER- Well, the way they stagger rollouts now is really smart

17:33SPEAKERand actually quite effective usually.

17:36SPEAKERSo you don't end up in situations

17:37SPEAKERwhere your weird network card

17:39SPEAKERis gonna cause you a problem or something like that.

17:40SPEAKER- Right, I mean, that said,

17:42SPEAKERthat didn't stop that Mellanox card

17:43SPEAKERfrom abruptly ceasing to function in my system

17:47SPEAKERa couple of months ago, but whatever.

17:49SPEAKER- Look, it's omelet's eggs, Brad.

17:53SPEAKER- It is a complicated problem space.

17:55SPEAKER- And you're on a,

17:57SPEAKERlike the lower percentage of the hardware in your machine,

18:00SPEAKERthe more problems you're gonna have.

18:03SPEAKER- That's a 14-year-old card, I believe,

18:06SPEAKERmade for data centers 14 years ago.

18:08SPEAKER- Yeah, and probably there's like 18 people

18:11SPEAKERthat have those in desktop, Windows PCs.

18:13SPEAKER- Yeah.

18:14SPEAKER- Anyway, so, okay, so let's go down.

18:16SPEAKERSo what we're gonna do,

18:17SPEAKERwe're gonna talk about the things they have in this list.

18:19SPEAKERWe're gonna talk about the things he talks about to come.

18:22SPEAKERThe first list is stuff that's gonna happen

18:25SPEAKERin Insider Build soon, like this April, basically.

18:28SPEAKER- Yeah, this month.

18:29SPEAKERAnd then the first one on the list, I mean.

18:32SPEAKER- Yeah.

18:33SPEAKER- Like if you had any doubt up to this point

18:34SPEAKERthat this was in fact a mea culpa,

18:36SPEAKERthat this is addressing very pointed user criticism.

18:40SPEAKERThe fact that they're leading with,

18:41SPEAKERhey, you can put the task bar on the sides or top again.

18:45SPEAKER- Hey man, ultra wide monitors are a thing

18:47SPEAKERand having your task bar across the bottom

18:49SPEAKERof a 3,600 by 1,440 display is real stupid.

18:53SPEAKER- Yeah, also it's like the most egregious example

18:55SPEAKERof a thing they took away

18:57SPEAKERin the course of transitioning to Windows 11,

18:58SPEAKERwhich I mean, it's, I guess,

19:01SPEAKERprobably not a very short list.

19:03SPEAKERI'd say there's quite a few UI things

19:05SPEAKERthat they changed for the worse,

19:06SPEAKERbut this one has to be by far the most complained about.

19:09SPEAKERLike this is the most low hanging fruit

19:11SPEAKERI can think of among things people don't like

19:13SPEAKERabout Windows 11 that they're just like,

19:15SPEAKERhey, you know what, we're just gonna let you do that again.

19:17SPEAKER- And like centering the task bar, that's fine, whatever.

19:19SPEAKERThey let you turn that off.

19:20SPEAKERLike I usually use defaults,

19:23SPEAKERbut having the left side task bar is really convenient,

19:25SPEAKERit turns out.

19:26SPEAKER- Yeah, some people, I'm not a huge fan of side task bar,

19:28SPEAKERbut some people will swear by it.

19:30SPEAKER- I was always a side task bar person until Windows 11.

19:32SPEAKERYeah, 100%. - Really, no kidding.

19:34SPEAKER- Well, 'cause I had big monitors

19:36SPEAKERand like I'd rather use less space for that.

19:39SPEAKER- Actually, you're not wrong,

19:41SPEAKERespecially in the days of,

19:42SPEAKERor in the modern era of the task bar just being icons.

19:45SPEAKERI guess I'm forever sort of poisoned by original task bar

19:49SPEAKERwhere you have the very, very wide tiles

19:52SPEAKERthat had like most of the window title in them.

19:54SPEAKER- Yeah, when did the icon only started

19:56SPEAKERwith the Windows 7, right?

19:57SPEAKER- Ah, Vista, right?

20:00SPEAKERDidn't Vista have that?

20:00SPEAKER- I don't remember, I'd have to look.

20:01SPEAKERBut basically, Windows 10

20:05SPEAKERwas when I started getting high resolution.

20:07SPEAKERIt's when I had an ultra wide monitor the first time

20:09SPEAKERand I switched over and I never looked back

20:11SPEAKERuntil they were like, "No, you can't do this anymore."

20:14SPEAKER- Oh, I think you're right.

20:15SPEAKERI'm looking at a Vista screenshot

20:17SPEAKERthat still has the super wide textual.

20:20SPEAKER- I think it's when they made the start button

20:21SPEAKERnot say start anymore. (laughs)

20:24SPEAKERLet's see, they're gonna integrate AI

20:26SPEAKERwhere it's most meaningful with craft and focus.

20:29SPEAKER- Now that is a well thought out line right there.

20:34SPEAKERCraft, I don't know how you craft AI,

20:37SPEAKERbut they're saying, "Hey, we're gonna reduce

20:40SPEAKERunnecessary copilot entry points

20:41SPEAKERstarting with things like snipping tool,

20:43SPEAKERphotos, widgets, and notepad."

20:47SPEAKERThey've done some of this already.

20:49SPEAKER- Yeah, this just happened in the last week, I believe.

20:52SPEAKERNotepad I know is on the list.

20:55SPEAKER- It's still in there.

20:57SPEAKERIt's just called something else now,

20:58SPEAKERwhich is maybe the most Microsoft way

21:00SPEAKERto solve a problem I've ever heard.

21:01SPEAKER- You're right.

21:02SPEAKERFirst comment on this Reddit thread.

21:03SPEAKERThe title is misleading.

21:04SPEAKERThey did not remove it, they renamed it.

21:06SPEAKER- Yeah, so it doesn't say copilot anymore,

21:09SPEAKERbut it does copilot-ish things.

21:11SPEAKERNice job, Microsoft.

21:12SPEAKER- Well, I guess that's the craft and focus.

21:14SPEAKERThey decided what it should be called now.

21:16SPEAKER- I'm focusing my something on something else.

21:19SPEAKERReducing disruption of Windows updates.

21:21SPEAKERThis is a good one.

21:22SPEAKERRight now, you can only delay Windows updates

21:26SPEAKERtwo weeks, I think, if you're on a consumer level OS.

21:30SPEAKERThis lets you say, "Hey, I don't want to get updates.

21:33SPEAKERI can skip them indefinitely.

21:34SPEAKERI can skip them during device setup."

21:37SPEAKER- You can effectively pause updates

21:39SPEAKERuntil you unpause them yourself, right?

21:41SPEAKER- Yeah, and the machine won't restart or shut down

21:46SPEAKERfor an update without you knowing that it's gonna happen,

21:49SPEAKERwithout you saying, "Yeah, I want to do this."

21:51SPEAKER- Yeah, I think this is probably a net good.

21:53SPEAKER- This is a good one.

21:54SPEAKER- I do think a lot of people are way too lackadaisical

21:57SPEAKERtoward the updating and security of their devices,

22:01SPEAKERbut also you have to prioritize user freedom

22:05SPEAKERin every case, right?

22:06SPEAKERLike you have to, God, there I go using the word freedom.

22:09SPEAKER- Well, but-

22:10SPEAKER- Here, I'm going to be all free as in speech,

22:13SPEAKERnot as in beer soon here, but-

22:14SPEAKER- Oh, no.

22:15SPEAKER- But I mean, I guess you should give people enough rope

22:18SPEAKERto hang themselves with, right?

22:19SPEAKERLike you should, if they want to assume the risks

22:23SPEAKERof not updating their OS for six months, then go with God.

22:26SPEAKER- Well, so there's a ton of use cases

22:28SPEAKERwhere you don't want to update the OS.

22:29SPEAKERLike we have one at PC World all the time

22:31SPEAKERwhen we were testing CPUs or GPUs.

22:34SPEAKER- Oh, sure, yeah.

22:35SPEAKER- We don't want to update the OS during that time period.

22:36SPEAKER- Temporarily, absolutely.

22:38SPEAKERIt's the indefinite turning off updates

22:40SPEAKERwhere I think some people are just going to forget

22:42SPEAKERto ever turn them back on.

22:44SPEAKER- For me, the turning off updates

22:45SPEAKERand not getting more updates is like, that's an edge case.

22:48SPEAKERI'm sure they're going to put some warning language

22:50SPEAKERaround that.

22:51SPEAKERIt's like, "Hey, this is a bad idea.

22:51SPEAKERYou shouldn't do this."

22:52SPEAKERAnd maybe they pop a notification after three months

22:55SPEAKERthat's like, "Hey, you haven't updated in a while.

22:56SPEAKERIt's important for security."

22:58SPEAKER- For me, it's, "Hey, I'm giving a presentation."

23:00SPEAKERAnd all of a sudden my computer turns off

23:02SPEAKERbecause in the background, the notification that said,

23:05SPEAKER"Hey, we're going to restart your computer

23:06SPEAKERin five minutes," didn't pop up

23:07SPEAKERbecause the presentation has notifications suppressed.

23:12SPEAKER- But that falls under the temporary pausing

23:13SPEAKERas opposed to the just indefinite like,

23:15SPEAKER"Hey, turn it off and leave it off."

23:16SPEAKER- Well, but there's also- - Which I think is what's new.

23:18SPEAKER- Another part of this is also the,

23:20SPEAKER"Hey, we're not going to turn off your computer

23:22SPEAKERfor an update without you clicking a button."

23:25SPEAKER- Yeah, that obviously is good.

23:26SPEAKEROr, I mean, that is essential.

23:28SPEAKERThat shouldn't even be a good to have.

23:30SPEAKERThat should just be the way it is.

23:32SPEAKER- Yeah, that should be.

23:33SPEAKERHere's another good one.

23:34SPEAKERFaster and more dependable File Explorer.

23:36SPEAKER- Yeah, well, so some of these we'll come back up

23:38SPEAKERwith more detail in the kind of annual plan going forward

23:41SPEAKERthat they delineate here.

23:43SPEAKERI don't know how much they're going to be able to do

23:45SPEAKERto File Explorer in this first, well, okay.

23:47SPEAKEROur first round of improvements will focus

23:49SPEAKERon quicker launch experience, reduced flicker.

23:52SPEAKERI'm not quite sure what they mean by flicker.

23:53SPEAKER- If you have a bad graphics card,

23:56SPEAKERsince there was flicker in the window, apparently.

24:00SPEAKER- Weird. - Yeah, yeah.

24:03SPEAKER- Smoother navigation and more reliable performance

24:06SPEAKERfor everyday file tasks.

24:08SPEAKER- I don't know if more reliable performance

24:09SPEAKERmeans drawing the window and listing.

24:11SPEAKEROne of the things that happens is if you have,

24:14SPEAKERyou can get your folders in a situation

24:16SPEAKERwhere you have the wrong preset on the folder

24:19SPEAKERand it tries to scan the metadata

24:20SPEAKERof all the items in the folder.

24:22SPEAKER- Oh, I hate that, oh my God.

24:24SPEAKERI got, there's like.

24:26SPEAKER- The weird downloads folders,

24:27SPEAKERthe place this happens most commonly, I think.

24:29SPEAKER- Yeah, downloads, I don't mind so much.

24:30SPEAKERLike you can turn that on and off.

24:32SPEAKERThat's like the group by function

24:34SPEAKERwhere it's like group by date, you know?

24:36SPEAKER- Not that one, I'm talking about the.

24:38SPEAKER- You're talking about the type of content.

24:39SPEAKER- The type of metadata that it thinks it should look for,

24:42SPEAKERyeah. - List this folder

24:43SPEAKERas music files, list this as documents.

24:46SPEAKERI hate, I don't mind that idea in principle,

24:49SPEAKERbut it's just implemented so poorly.

24:51SPEAKER- Their implementation is awful.

24:53SPEAKER- There are like four or five random folders on my machine

24:56SPEAKERthat just will not obey that setting no matter what I do

24:58SPEAKERand constantly are reverting themselves.

25:01SPEAKER- Well, and the thing that happens when you're a user

25:04SPEAKERis that all of a sudden you have three folders

25:06SPEAKERon your computer that just take an incredible amount

25:08SPEAKERof time to open. - Yeah.

25:10SPEAKER- And it's a terrible experience.

25:12SPEAKER- I'd even go further here.

25:13SPEAKERLike the directory that I save all podcast recordings into,

25:16SPEAKERI try to sort by date, it absolutely will not remember

25:21SPEAKERthe sort by date no matter what I do every single time.

25:24SPEAKERI open that. - Is it on your NAS

25:25SPEAKERor is it on your local machine?

25:25SPEAKER- No, it's just a local folder on my desktop.

25:28SPEAKER- That's wild.

25:29SPEAKER- And it just refuses to stick the sort by dates.

25:32SPEAKERSo like more consistency around stuff like that.

25:34SPEAKERI would even go further here.

25:36SPEAKERI may be cannibalizing one of my suggestions a little bit.

25:39SPEAKERAlso, we should maybe say we didn't tell each other

25:41SPEAKERwhat our ideas are for improving Windows.

25:44SPEAKERSo it'll be a surprise when we get to the end of this.

25:47SPEAKERThis is probably a deeper thing

25:49SPEAKERthat's gonna take much more time.

25:50SPEAKERAnd this might actually be lower level than File Explorer,

25:53SPEAKERbut the ability to basically ruin File Explorer

25:56SPEAKERby doing anything where the IO operation

25:59SPEAKERjust can't complete, like putting in a USB thumb drive

26:02SPEAKERthat happens to be starting to go,

26:04SPEAKERor a bad external drive hard drive that's crapping out.

26:08SPEAKER- Handling fail points is an important.

26:10SPEAKER- Like failure handling is like it'll bring

26:12SPEAKERall the File Explorer down where like,

26:14SPEAKERif you're in the computer view,

26:15SPEAKERit will populate any drive

26:17SPEAKERbecause it can't read from that one drive.

26:19SPEAKERAnd that's just like a terrible experience.

26:21SPEAKER- Yeah.

26:22SPEAKER- Like it should make it clear what's going wrong

26:24SPEAKERand isolate that thing that's going wrong

26:27SPEAKERand not completely freeze or block

26:29SPEAKERthe entire rest of the application.

26:30SPEAKER- So I hope they're also talking about performance

26:33SPEAKERfor like file copies and stuff like that,

26:35SPEAKERbecause the file copy performance,

26:38SPEAKERespecially for many small files on Windows

26:43SPEAKERversus every other OS I use is terrible.

26:46SPEAKERAnd part of it's because of the way the file system works.

26:48SPEAKERPart of it's because the File Explorer interface

26:51SPEAKERhas been bad at that forever.

26:52SPEAKERSo anyway.

26:54SPEAKER- Yeah, they get, we'll get into that.

26:55SPEAKERThen when they bring File Explorer back up

26:57SPEAKERseveral months from now, I believe they're yes.

27:01SPEAKERYeah, we'll touch on that again.

27:05SPEAKER- So let's see.

27:07SPEAKERThe next one is more control over widgets

27:10SPEAKERand feed experiences.

27:11SPEAKEROkay, this is one of those things

27:13SPEAKERthat I think is really interesting

27:13SPEAKERbecause this is always the first thing

27:16SPEAKERI turn off in Windows.

27:17SPEAKER- Yeah, that was my first comment on this item

27:19SPEAKERis do you use widgets?

27:21SPEAKERBecause I don't.

27:22SPEAKER- So my daughter loves them, right?

27:25SPEAKERSo she has the weather widget on her computer

27:28SPEAKERand she sees that and then she gets annoyed

27:31SPEAKERbecause sometimes it just changes location randomly.

27:33SPEAKER- Huh, I did kind of suspect that widgets

27:36SPEAKERmight be a bit of a generational divide

27:38SPEAKERbecause I think they kind of originate in mobile, right?

27:41SPEAKERLike phones have had widgets for much longer

27:44SPEAKERthan desktop operating systems.

27:45SPEAKER- No, congregate started.

27:47SPEAKER- Well, I think the modern iteration of widgets,

27:51SPEAKERobviously, you know, there were widgets 20, 25 years ago

27:55SPEAKERthat were mostly third-party installs,

27:58SPEAKERbut like iOS has been successively adding

28:01SPEAKERmore and more widgets over time in different places.

28:03SPEAKER- I think widgets came to iOS and Windows

28:05SPEAKERat around the same time.

28:07SPEAKERIt was probably a little bit later in Windows,

28:08SPEAKERbut not that much.

28:10SPEAKERThis current inclination, the incarnation though,

28:13SPEAKERis mostly about selling shit

28:16SPEAKERand getting you to go to Microsoft services.

28:18SPEAKERLike if you look at the lock screen, the welcome screen,

28:23SPEAKERthere's multiple different views of that.

28:25SPEAKEROne of them is a like programmatic welcome screen

28:28SPEAKERthat you have zero control over anything

28:31SPEAKERon the actual screen other than to say,

28:34SPEAKERyes, I want Microsoft to feed me dynamic wallpapers

28:37SPEAKERand also whatever the latest business on MSN

28:41SPEAKERand their weather apps and their partners is.

28:44SPEAKER- You can turn all that stuff off,

28:45SPEAKERbut you have to turn all of it off.

28:47SPEAKER- It's all or nothing.

28:48SPEAKER- Yeah, you have to lose the dynamic wallpapers

28:50SPEAKERand everything, I believe.

28:52SPEAKER- Yeah, I also don't know what the discover feed is.

28:54SPEAKERI wasn't able to figure it out.

28:55SPEAKERSo interesting there.

28:56SPEAKER- Yeah, improved personalization for the discover feed.

28:58SPEAKERI couldn't tell you.

29:00SPEAKER- Simpler, more transparent Windows Insider program.

29:02SPEAKERThis is great.

29:03SPEAKERThey're going to communicate more.

29:04SPEAKERI think Microsoft being better at communication

29:07SPEAKERdoesn't hurt anybody.

29:08SPEAKER- Yeah, I mean, I don't know about you.

29:10SPEAKERI am never, ever, ever going to run

29:12SPEAKERan Insider version of Windows.

29:14SPEAKERSo this is not relevant to me at all,

29:17SPEAKERbut it seems like a good thing

29:18SPEAKERto beef up your testing program.

29:20SPEAKER- Yeah, and then the improved feedback hub,

29:22SPEAKERwhich have you ever used the feedback hub?

29:24SPEAKER- I have not.

29:25SPEAKER- You can only access it from Windows.

29:27SPEAKER- Oh, interesting.

29:28SPEAKER- So it's like a website,

29:29SPEAKERbut you can only get to it from Windows and yeah.

29:32SPEAKER- Should I launch it for the first time as we speak?

29:34SPEAKER- You can if you want, but it's like feedback before.

29:37SPEAKER- So just if there's a suggest a feature button.

29:39SPEAKER- Yeah, it's been there for a long time.

29:41SPEAKERI don't think they do anything with it.

29:43SPEAKER- Probably not.

29:43SPEAKERWell, of course we did some kind of tips and tricks episode

29:48SPEAKERnot long ago.

29:49SPEAKERAnd I feel like you said, suggest more features.

29:51SPEAKER- I did that on a Mac OS and they did,

29:54SPEAKERthey added the thing that I wanted for the Apple stuff.

29:57SPEAKER- Maybe Apple is more reactive.

29:58SPEAKER- I mean, you can try something, yeah.

30:00SPEAKER- 'Cause a couple of mine that I have

30:01SPEAKERfor the end of the episode

30:02SPEAKERare things I would dearly love to see them do.

30:05SPEAKER- Well, I mean, so let's, I mean, well, let's,

30:07SPEAKERI think we should go down

30:08SPEAKERthe rest of this list real quickly.

30:10SPEAKERThe post April updates are basically focused on performance.

30:14SPEAKERThey talk about system performance, more responsive apps,

30:17SPEAKERmaking File Explorer have lower latency

30:20SPEAKERfor search and navigation.

30:22SPEAKER- Yeah, we should go through each one of these

30:23SPEAKER'cause there's some granular stuff in here

30:25SPEAKERthat's actually worth talking about.

30:27SPEAKER- Okay.

30:29SPEAKER- I don't know if these are all supposed to be

30:30SPEAKERby the end of the year

30:31SPEAKERor I think over the course of the year

30:33SPEAKERis how they phrase this.

30:34SPEAKEROver the course of the year, we're improving blah, blah, blah.

30:36SPEAKEROkay, improving system performance.

30:39SPEAKERFaster and more responsive Windows experiences

30:42SPEAKERwith early improvements already delivered

30:43SPEAKERand launch time reductions in apps like File Explorer.

30:45SPEAKERWe kind of already covered that.

30:46SPEAKER- Yeah.

30:47SPEAKER- Improved memory efficiency,

30:48SPEAKERlowering the baseline memory footprint for Windows,

30:51SPEAKERfreeing up more capacity for the apps you run.

30:54SPEAKER- Hey, you know, Apple just released a MacBook Neo

30:56SPEAKERthat has eight gigs of RAM.

30:58SPEAKER- Yeah.

30:59SPEAKER- And Windows partners can't work in that space.

31:01SPEAKER- Yeah, true, true.

31:02SPEAKERAlthough, I mean, as we've talked about before,

31:04SPEAKERlike MacBooks partially get around this problem

31:09SPEAKERwith their very tightly vertically integrated OS

31:12SPEAKERand hardware stack.

31:13SPEAKER- Well, and by churning SSD.

31:15SPEAKER- That's why, that's why.

31:16SPEAKERBecause Apple controls every single piece of their ecosystem

31:19SPEAKERfrom the literal metal on up to the user experience.

31:22SPEAKERLike they know exactly what they have.

31:24SPEAKERAnd so yes, they page to the SSD very aggressively

31:28SPEAKERin a way that helps paper over memory stuff.

31:30SPEAKER- But also we live in a world that's memory constrained

31:34SPEAKERall of a sudden.

31:35SPEAKER- Yeah.

31:36SPEAKER- So, you know, this makes sense.

31:37SPEAKER- I mean, making things more memory efficient obviously

31:39SPEAKERis like self-evidently a good.

31:42SPEAKER- Yeah.

31:42SPEAKER- There is an element of this though,

31:45SPEAKERwhere I feel like people are maybe a little too obsessive

31:47SPEAKERabout staring at their free RAM.

31:51SPEAKER- Oh, yeah.

31:52SPEAKERI'm not saying anybody should ever stare at that.

31:54SPEAKERIt's not like I know that I have 44 gigs

31:55SPEAKERof RAM free right now.

31:57SPEAKERI have that on my test for it and I can just tell.

31:59SPEAKERThat's a fair amount of RAM free.

32:01SPEAKER- I feel good about that.

32:03SPEAKER- In fact, I think it would go further

32:05SPEAKERand not just, it's not just user behavior here.

32:08SPEAKERIt's also like there is kind of a whole class of grifty.

32:13SPEAKER- Oh.

32:14SPEAKER- Like tech grifter social media posts,

32:17SPEAKERbasically just posting like memory usage screenshots

32:19SPEAKERof things and talk about how unoptimized everything is.

32:22SPEAKER- I mean, look, there's a big difference between,

32:27SPEAKERfor me this matters when you feel it, right?

32:29SPEAKER- Yes, that's exactly it.

32:29SPEAKER- When you run out of memory in your hard drive

32:31SPEAKERand you're churning and launching applications

32:34SPEAKERtakes a long time or opening a file

32:36SPEAKERtakes a long time or whatever,

32:37SPEAKERthat's the problem, not that the number is too high.

32:40SPEAKER- Yes, that's exactly it.

32:41SPEAKERI've seen this like on Discords recently,

32:44SPEAKERnot our Discord to be clear.

32:45SPEAKERI thought it was on a different server,

32:46SPEAKERbut I've seen people hemming and hawing,

32:48SPEAKERwringing their hands over how much memory they have free.

32:51SPEAKER- Well, it's, yeah.

32:52SPEAKER- I guess the thing, and like, look,

32:54SPEAKERI'm not a computer scientist here,

32:55SPEAKERbut the thing that I think people not,

32:59SPEAKERthey don't misunderstand,

33:00SPEAKERthey just have a low understanding of this concept

33:02SPEAKERis that modern operating systems

33:03SPEAKERare generally pretty good at managing memory,

33:06SPEAKERbut they use memory aggressively.

33:09SPEAKERLike every OS like aggressively uses the memory you have

33:12SPEAKERbecause not using memory is a huge waste.

33:14SPEAKER- Yeah, you have it in there, you're powering it,

33:16SPEAKERyou might as well take advantage of it.

33:17SPEAKER- Like I've spent kind of an embarrassing amount of time

33:20SPEAKERlooking at how Linux handles this kind of thing.

33:23SPEAKERLike there are all kinds of different like caches

33:25SPEAKERand sort of memory mapped things

33:27SPEAKERthat Linux will temporarily put in memory

33:30SPEAKERwith what is effectively like a very low priority

33:33SPEAKERwhere it can be evicted from memory very quickly

33:35SPEAKERwhen something actually needs that memory.

33:38SPEAKERLike empty RAM is wasted RAM basically is what I'm saying.

33:41SPEAKERSo like, just because you look at a thing

33:43SPEAKERand see most of your memory full

33:45SPEAKERdoesn't necessarily mean that's a bad thing.

33:46SPEAKERLike in fact, I mean,

33:47SPEAKERmemory is the fastest storage in your machine,

33:49SPEAKERlike you should be using it for something.

33:53SPEAKER- Well, and like the avoid the grifters,

33:58SPEAKERit reminds me of the old phone tips that were like,

34:01SPEAKERhey, every day you need to open up

34:04SPEAKERyour task closer interface on your phone,

34:07SPEAKERwhether it's Android or iOS

34:09SPEAKERand swipe all those applications closed.

34:11SPEAKER- I still see people doing that.

34:12SPEAKER- When that actually has a real negative impact

34:15SPEAKER'cause it means that instead of saving

34:16SPEAKERthe state of the machine on the flash memory of the device

34:20SPEAKERso that it can start, you have to start it every time

34:22SPEAKERwhich hits your battery.

34:23SPEAKERAnd anyway, it doesn't matter,

34:25SPEAKERbut yeah, you don't have to obsess about this,

34:27SPEAKERbut Windows has gotten kind of RAM hoggy

34:31SPEAKERover the last 10 years. - But that I believe, yeah.

34:32SPEAKERLike I believe there absolutely are inefficiencies there.

34:35SPEAKERIn fact, the next item on this list is one of those,

34:37SPEAKERbut the last thing here,

34:39SPEAKERmore consistent performance even under load.

34:41SPEAKERI mean, that's one of those hand wavy ones that like,

34:44SPEAKERmaybe they will do that,

34:46SPEAKERbut this is not quantifiable in the scope of this blog post.

34:49SPEAKERSo not much to say.

34:51SPEAKER- That to me says,

34:52SPEAKERhey, if you have something running on one window

34:54SPEAKERthat's using a lot of resources,

34:56SPEAKERthen the rest of the machines should still feel responsive.

34:59SPEAKER- Yeah, sure.

34:59SPEAKER- And that's like a thread scheduler

35:01SPEAKERand RAM management and all of these problems.

35:03SPEAKER- It would be great to hear more specific information

35:05SPEAKERlike that about what they're actually talking about here,

35:07SPEAKERbut this is so vague,

35:08SPEAKERit's hard to know exactly what they mean.

35:10SPEAKER- Each of these bullet points could be its own blog post

35:12SPEAKERexplaining how they're going to approach this.

35:14SPEAKER- That's fair.

35:15SPEAKERMore fluid and responsive app interactions.

35:18SPEAKER- This one, Jesus.

35:19SPEAKERReducing interaction latency by moving core windows

35:22SPEAKERexperiences to the WinUI 3 framework.

35:25SPEAKER- What's the WinUI 3 framework, Brad?

35:27SPEAKER- It is, it's their newest windowing API,

35:31SPEAKERas I was able to gather looking at it.

35:33SPEAKERIt's written in C++ and C#,

35:36SPEAKERso it's basically the lowest level current windowing.

35:40SPEAKER- It's fast and good, generally speaking.

35:43SPEAKER- Yeah, I don't know how this,

35:45SPEAKERlike what are some of the past ones?

35:47SPEAKER- Oh, there's like Win32 and all the,

35:51SPEAKERlike Wasapi and all the, there's been a bazillion of them.

35:55SPEAKERIs Wasapi one?

35:56SPEAKERNo, that's audio.

35:57SPEAKER- Yeah, I don't know what the specific windowing ones are.

35:59SPEAKERI think Win32 is just kind of the general runtime.

36:02SPEAKERI don't know what the graphics windowing layer of that is,

36:06SPEAKERbut anyway, it doesn't matter.

36:09SPEAKERThe point is, as far as I know,

36:11SPEAKERWinUI 3 is basically the newest iteration

36:13SPEAKERof that kind of stuff.

36:14SPEAKERI think it's the one that looks like Windows 11 stuff.

36:17SPEAKERIf that makes sense.

36:18SPEAKER- Yeah.

36:19SPEAKER- Like the modern right-click menu,

36:20SPEAKERI believe in Windows 11 is a WinUI thing.

36:23SPEAKER- GDI is the old one, and then they did,

36:27SPEAKERI guess WinUI was the one thing that replaced that,

36:29SPEAKERbut that might be a retronym.

36:31SPEAKER- Anyway, like I think what this really is

36:33SPEAKERis them talking around the fact that it came to light

36:36SPEAKERin the last year or so that like parts of the Windows 11 UI

36:39SPEAKERare written in things like React Native,

36:43SPEAKERwhich did not go over well at all.

36:45SPEAKER- They did a bunch of web UI stuff,

36:47SPEAKERand people have been blaming the slow right-click on this,

36:51SPEAKERthe slow right-click menu on this, a bunch of other things.

36:55SPEAKERThe only thing I know of for sure that was written in React

36:58SPEAKERis the recommended pane in the start menu.

37:00SPEAKER- Yeah, that's because I looked this up

37:01SPEAKERright before we recorded to remind myself

37:03SPEAKERthat they themselves revealed that

37:07SPEAKERat a React Native conference.

37:08SPEAKERThey basically were like,

37:09SPEAKER"Hey, look at the React stuff we're doing in Windows,"

37:11SPEAKERand pointed to that start menu stuff,

37:13SPEAKERand that did not go over well.

37:16SPEAKER- No people mocked them.

37:17SPEAKER- Yes, so I mean, should, I'm the web developer,

37:20SPEAKERbut should you be using web frameworks

37:23SPEAKERfor OS Native UI elements?

37:25SPEAKERProbably not.

37:26SPEAKER- When we have access to low-level

37:28SPEAKERand faster compiled languages,

37:31SPEAKERit seems goofy to use web frameworks for that,

37:33SPEAKERbut what do I know?

37:34SPEAKER- The excuse for things like Electron

37:35SPEAKERis that you need those apps to be cross-platform easily,

37:37SPEAKERor it's too much work to do native apps.

37:40SPEAKERIt's too much work to do three different native versions

37:43SPEAKERof Discord when you can just make it an Electron app

37:45SPEAKERand it works on everything.

37:47SPEAKERWindows does not have that problem

37:48SPEAKERbecause Windows runs on Windows.

37:50SPEAKER- Yeah, well, except for Windows runs on ARM

37:53SPEAKERand Windows runs on x86 now,

37:55SPEAKERso maybe they do actually have that problem.

37:57SPEAKER- Yeah, but I mean, those native APIs

38:00SPEAKERare gonna work on everything that Windows runs on.

38:02SPEAKERThis just seems like a unilateral positive.

38:07SPEAKER- Yeah, maybe we had a bad experiment here

38:10SPEAKERand we needed to get rid of it.

38:11SPEAKER- Yes, improving File Explorer fundamentals.

38:14SPEAKERWe kind of covered that stuff,

38:15SPEAKERbut substantially lower latency for search,

38:18SPEAKERnavigation, and context menus.

38:20SPEAKERI think, let's touch on search again later.

38:23SPEAKER- Yeah.

38:24SPEAKER- Copying and moving large files

38:26SPEAKERwill be faster and more reliable.

38:28SPEAKER- That's exciting.

38:28SPEAKER- Interesting that they say large files.

38:31SPEAKER- I think this large files are okay, but not great.

38:34SPEAKERThe small files seem like they have a big pastel,

38:37SPEAKERa small file is a real problem.

38:38SPEAKER- Yes, well, like we talked about on the Q&A a few weeks ago,

38:40SPEAKERa lot of that is just down to hardware limitations.

38:43SPEAKER- Well, no, it's down to file system limitations,

38:46SPEAKERwhich is a software problem.

38:46SPEAKER- Well, no, no, those are hardware level.

38:48SPEAKERThe IOPS thing is a hardware level gate,

38:51SPEAKERregardless of what file system you're using.

38:53SPEAKER- Fair, okay.

38:55SPEAKER- Faster launch and responsiveness for common file,

38:58SPEAKERthen we kind of covered the File Explorer stuff already.

39:01SPEAKER- And there's some stuff here

39:02SPEAKERabout Windows Subsystem for Linux

39:03SPEAKERI don't think we need to get into.

39:04SPEAKER- Oh, actually there are two things I wanna touch on here.

39:06SPEAKER- Okay.

39:07SPEAKER- Please permit me.

39:08SPEAKERDo you use WSL too, do you?

39:10SPEAKER- No, I run Linux, I don't need that.

39:12SPEAKER- I guess so.

39:15SPEAKERFaster file performance between Linux and Windows,

39:17SPEAKERthat one's actually super interesting to me

39:18SPEAKERbecause I do work in WSL too, like every day.

39:21SPEAKER- How do they--

39:22SPEAKER- There is a huge performance penalty

39:24SPEAKERif you access anything on the Windows part of the storage

39:28SPEAKERversus doing it natively inside the virtual hard drive

39:31SPEAKERthat WSL too runs in.

39:32SPEAKER- So it gives you a VHD that's like EXT2 or something?

39:35SPEAKER- It's a VHDX, yes, that your Linux distro lives in

39:39SPEAKERthat's formatted X4.

39:41SPEAKER- And then do they mount your C drive

39:42SPEAKERas like slash mount slash C or something?

39:45SPEAKER- All of your permanent drives, not removables,

39:48SPEAKERbut permanent drives in the machine get mounted in

39:52SPEAKERinto the WSL two instance automatically.

39:54SPEAKER- That's weird.

39:55SPEAKER- Here's the interesting part.

39:56SPEAKER- Yeah.

39:57SPEAKER- File IO between what's inside the Linux thing

40:01SPEAKERand the Windows parts of the storage

40:03SPEAKERis done over a protocol called 9P,

40:07SPEAKERwhich is the network data protocol

40:09SPEAKERfrom the operating system plan nine from outer space.

40:13SPEAKER- Oh yeah, of course.

40:14SPEAKER- Dude, you know plan nine, right?

40:15SPEAKER- Are you actually familiar with the movie?

40:17SPEAKERI don't know what plan nine is, no.

40:18SPEAKER- Dude, we could, I mean, you would--

40:20SPEAKER- Is this an episode?

40:21SPEAKER- I was just about to say, we could do an episode on this.

40:23SPEAKERYou would have to do a ton of reading.

40:25SPEAKERI would have to do about 99% as much reading as you

40:27SPEAKERbecause I barely took.

40:28SPEAKERBut what plan nine from outer space is,

40:32SPEAKERis the sequel to Unix.

40:33SPEAKERLike literally Ken Thompson and Dennis Ritchie

40:35SPEAKERand the people at Bell Labs who created Unix

40:39SPEAKERwent on to make a successor operating system

40:41SPEAKERat Bell Labs called plan nine.

40:45SPEAKERAnd all I know about it is apparently,

40:49SPEAKERokay, you know the everything is a file concept

40:51SPEAKERand all the Unix philosophy bullet points

40:53SPEAKERthose guys came up with,

40:55SPEAKERthey apparently extended all those metaphors out

40:57SPEAKERlike dramatically in plan nine

40:59SPEAKERin ways that everybody who has ever used plan nine

41:02SPEAKERsaid is like mind blowing.

41:04SPEAKERLike, but none of it ever caught on

41:06SPEAKER'cause nobody ever used plan nine

41:07SPEAKERbecause the entire industry had like long standardized

41:09SPEAKERon Unix already at that point.

41:11SPEAKERSo it was basically just turned out to be kind of

41:13SPEAKERan academic experiment that was cool, but forgotten.

41:17SPEAKER- Wow.

41:17SPEAKER- Apparently the way plan nine is able to blend

41:19SPEAKERnetwork resources and printers and file systems

41:23SPEAKERand everything into one giant pool and networked computers

41:27SPEAKERis like, I've seen it described as achingly elegant before.

41:31SPEAKER- Okay.

41:32SPEAKER- Apparently it's like a fascinating approach

41:34SPEAKERto computing generally.

41:35SPEAKERAnd I don't know a ton more than that

41:36SPEAKERother than again, all the people that I've seen

41:38SPEAKERwho have actually used plan nine

41:39SPEAKERspeak like incredibly highly of it.

41:41SPEAKERBut, and this was in the eighties also.

41:43SPEAKER- I have an idea.

41:45SPEAKERI think what you should do,

41:46SPEAKERI think we should make you one of those sandwich boards,

41:49SPEAKERlike people wear on the sides of the streets.

41:52SPEAKERAnd I think next time we go to the flea market,

41:53SPEAKERyou should have a sandwich board that says,

41:56SPEAKERtalk to me about plan nine from outer space.

41:58SPEAKER- Yes, tell me about plan nine.

42:00SPEAKERThere's probably somebody at that flea market

42:02SPEAKERwho has used plan nine.

42:04SPEAKERI guess I think there are modern,

42:05SPEAKERlike there's a, I think the most recently maintained version

42:07SPEAKERis only a few years old.

42:08SPEAKER- Okay.

42:09SPEAKER- You can technically still run it on modern hardware.

42:12SPEAKERAnyway, sorry, that was just an old operating system

42:14SPEAKERdigression, but they used,

42:15SPEAKERapparently 9P is used in all kinds of places these days.

42:19SPEAKERAnd one of the places is in Windows subsystem for Linux two,

42:23SPEAKERthey use it to access the Windows drives.

42:24SPEAKERAnyway, I wonder if they're replacing that whole thing.

42:27SPEAKER- I mean.

42:27SPEAKER- And doing some more direct, direct IO,

42:31SPEAKERbecause like it's really noticeable because I'm like,

42:34SPEAKERI'm like crunching podcasts and videos.

42:36SPEAKERLike when I encode the long story,

42:40SPEAKERlike I encode the ramble cast video in Linux

42:42SPEAKERto a Windows drive and like, you can see it.

42:44SPEAKERYou can see a difference.

42:46SPEAKERIf I use FFmpeg in the Linux to a Windows drive

42:50SPEAKERversus if I use the FFmpeg in Windows to the Windows drive,

42:53SPEAKERlike huge, obvious difference in how fast.

42:56SPEAKER- Well, like talking from inside a VM to outside a VM

43:00SPEAKERis always challenging, right?

43:02SPEAKER- Problem with Linux too, like it's often faster

43:05SPEAKERto use an external hard drive mounted in the Windows VM

43:08SPEAKERand then disconnect it, reconnect it to the Linux VM

43:12SPEAKERand copy it back in than it is to move it

43:14SPEAKERacross the network share or something like that.

43:15SPEAKER- Yeah.

43:16SPEAKER- But that's cool.

43:18SPEAKER- Yeah, real quick improve network compatibility

43:20SPEAKERand throughput.

43:21SPEAKERI've never noticed that being a problem,

43:22SPEAKERbut I guess that's cool.

43:23SPEAKERMore streamlined first time setup and onboarding experience.

43:26SPEAKERThat's definitely a good thing because there's like

43:28SPEAKERthree different ways to get started

43:30SPEAKERwith this thing right now.

43:32SPEAKERAnd it's kind of a mess knowing which one you should do.

43:35SPEAKERShould you download your,

43:36SPEAKERshould you download your Ubuntu from the Windows store?

43:39SPEAKER- That feels weird.

43:40SPEAKER- Or should you run WSL dash install?

43:44SPEAKER- Do they all do the same thing?

43:45SPEAKER- They all, they basically all get you to the same place.

43:47SPEAKERAlthough yes and no, because I think in some cases

43:50SPEAKERyour Linux distro ends up being a UWP packaged app.

43:54SPEAKERAnd in other cases it's just a VHD.

43:58SPEAKER- Oh my God.

43:59SPEAKER- Yes, it is kind of yuck, exactly.

44:01SPEAKERSo real quick, I promise I won't hijack

44:03SPEAKERthe rest of the episode with this,

44:04SPEAKERbut I've actually just like yesterday and today

44:07SPEAKERhave gone the complete other direction with this thing.

44:09SPEAKER- Okay.

44:10SPEAKER- Because it finally hit me or I finally noticed

44:12SPEAKERthat they have now added the ability to export

44:15SPEAKERthe distros you're already running.

44:17SPEAKER- Oh, as a VHD?

44:18SPEAKER- To either a VHD or a tar ball.

44:20SPEAKERAnd then you can import those back in as distros

44:23SPEAKERthat are not attached to the Windows store.

44:25SPEAKEROr you can actually, a lot of distros

44:27SPEAKERare putting out .wsl files, like arch,

44:30SPEAKERlike arch and Nix OS, you can just go to their websites

44:33SPEAKERand download a .wsl.

44:34SPEAKER- And then just dump that in?

44:36SPEAKER- Run that and it'll just add itself as a distro.

44:39SPEAKER- Is it already installed?

44:40SPEAKERLike is it an image that's installed

44:42SPEAKERor do you have to go to an installer?

44:43SPEAKER- There's no installer, it's just ready to use.

44:45SPEAKERAnyway, long story short, I now just have all the distros

44:49SPEAKERthat I tinker with in WSL as VHDs on a drive.

44:53SPEAKERAnd those VHDs are portable.

44:54SPEAKERI can import them back into a new Windows install later.

44:57SPEAKERI can back them up on my NAS.

44:59SPEAKERI've fully decoupled it from the Windows store

45:01SPEAKERand all the UWP bullshit in a way that makes me very happy.

45:04SPEAKERSo anyway.

45:05SPEAKER- Makes it easier to back up too.

45:07SPEAKER- Okay, sorry, that was my Linux minute.

45:09SPEAKER- Another top level point here is reliability.

45:13SPEAKER- Yes.

45:14SPEAKER- He describes this as the bedrock of trust,

45:17SPEAKERwhich not wrong.

45:18SPEAKER- Sure.

45:19SPEAKER- They're talking about strengthening reliability

45:21SPEAKERand quality of the Windows Insider program,

45:23SPEAKERwhich is great, support your beta testers.

45:25SPEAKER- That's stuff we touched on already.

45:26SPEAKER- Increasing OS driver and app reliability, also good.

45:30SPEAKERReducing OS level crashes, that's fantastic.

45:32SPEAKERMaking it so the drivers don't take out the thing.

45:35SPEAKERThey're not talking about secure boot here

45:37SPEAKERand walking down the kernel,

45:38SPEAKERbut that seems to be something that's coming as well.

45:41SPEAKER- Yeah.

45:42SPEAKER- Just to reduce the CrowdStrike situation in the future.

45:45SPEAKER- Sure.

45:46SPEAKERThis strengthening driver quality and app reliability

45:50SPEAKERacross our vibrant ecosystem of silicon ISV and OEM partners,

45:54SPEAKERlike doesn't that depend on those partners?

45:56SPEAKERLike how much they--

45:57SPEAKER- They could be providing testing.

45:58SPEAKERLike the thing is there's ways,

46:01SPEAKERin the old days that you had the IHV labs

46:03SPEAKERand the Windows wiggle labs

46:05SPEAKERthat would do hardware and software qualification

46:08SPEAKERand they don't so much do that anymore, it seems like.

46:11SPEAKER- Okay, that's fair.

46:12SPEAKER'Cause I mean, like, I think a lot of people

46:14SPEAKERknow like the crappy driver for your LAN interface

46:18SPEAKERon your motherboard that was abandoned

46:20SPEAKERand not updated for the last three years.

46:21SPEAKERThat doesn't work, you know what I mean?

46:23SPEAKERLike people being at the mercy of the crappy vendor drivers

46:26SPEAKERfor their hardware has a tail as old as time.

46:30SPEAKER- I like this last one, more consistent device wake,

46:33SPEAKERincluding further wake consistency improvements

46:35SPEAKERfor docking scenarios.

46:36SPEAKER- Yeah, that's true.

46:37SPEAKER- I know he doesn't mention the warm laptop bag problem,

46:41SPEAKERwhich is a unique to Windows experience.

46:43SPEAKERSee, you have a MacBook,

46:44SPEAKERso you've never had this happen before,

46:46SPEAKERbut often when you take your Windows laptop,

46:47SPEAKERyou put it in your bag, you get on the airplane,

46:50SPEAKERyou get to 10,000 feet, you're like,

46:52SPEAKER"Oh, I'm gonna get my laptop out and do some work,"

46:54SPEAKERand it's been cooking in there the whole time.

46:56SPEAKERSo yeah, more better sleep.

47:00SPEAKERImproving Windows updates seems good.

47:02SPEAKERThe less disruption, so moving to a single monthly reboot

47:06SPEAKERseems like it makes a lot of sense

47:07SPEAKERfor people who don't shut their computer down every night.

47:09SPEAKER- Yeah, it seems like most of the security updates

47:11SPEAKERthey roll out, well, like you're not in Windows

47:12SPEAKERas much as I am these days,

47:13SPEAKERbut like most of the sort of Windows Defender definitions.

47:16SPEAKER- That's all silent, yeah.

47:17SPEAKER- Yeah, and they don't require reboots typically

47:20SPEAKERfrom what I've seen.

47:21SPEAKERSo yeah, getting it so you only have to actually do

47:23SPEAKERthe big reboot once a month is desirable.

47:27SPEAKER- Yeah, the more control, including ability to pause

47:30SPEAKERfor as long as you need, restart or shut down

47:32SPEAKERwithout being forced to install updates, that I get.

47:34SPEAKERI don't understand why, like I can always choose to reboot

47:38SPEAKEReven if I have an update pending, it seems like.

47:40SPEAKER- Without updating?

47:41SPEAKER- Without updating.

47:42SPEAKER- Interesting.

47:43SPEAKER- I don't know if I did something to make that happen

47:44SPEAKERat some point.

47:47SPEAKERAnd built-in recovery is nice as well.

47:50SPEAKER- Let's see, they talk about biometric authentication

47:52SPEAKERa little bit, which like that's fine.

47:54SPEAKERBut, and then the craft is the good stuff.

47:57SPEAKERThis is the improving the taskbar and start menu experience.

48:02SPEAKERMaking consistent, dependable,

48:05SPEAKERmaking them enabling personalization

48:07SPEAKERso you can put them wherever you want

48:09SPEAKERand make them behave the way you want them to.

48:11SPEAKER- And smaller taskbar, what could that mean?

48:13SPEAKERThat sounds kind of, that sounds exciting.

48:15SPEAKER- I, look, I love my 20 pixel high bar in Linux.

48:20SPEAKERLike it just has all my stuff in it.

48:22SPEAKER- Yeah, or you know, like the Mac OS menu bar

48:23SPEAKERis a good size, I think, for something like that.

48:26SPEAKERLike small, in fact, I mean, variable taskbar size

48:32SPEAKERused to be another Windows feature, remember that?

48:34SPEAKER- Wait, you can make it not go all the way across?

48:36SPEAKER- No, no, no, no, I'm not talking vertical.

48:37SPEAKER- Oh, vertical, yeah, yeah, yeah, make it short, yeah.

48:40SPEAKER- When Windows 95, you could just drag it up and down.

48:42SPEAKER- Yeah, you could have a doubled height.

48:44SPEAKERYou could have two rows of icons down there

48:46SPEAKERif you were a monster.

48:47SPEAKER- I am curious about smaller taskbar.

48:51SPEAKERMore focused experience with less distractions.

48:53SPEAKERSo the setup is faster and quieter

48:55SPEAKERwith fewer pages and reboots.

48:58SPEAKERI hope this also includes things

48:59SPEAKERlike not trying to sell you Game Pass

49:00SPEAKERand Office if you already have them.

49:03SPEAKER- It says device setup on new PCs

49:04SPEAKERis quieter and more streamlined.

49:06SPEAKERI have to hope that means fewer upsells.

49:09SPEAKER- Man, I bet it doesn't, but we can dream.

49:13SPEAKERWidgets surface information more intentionally by default.

49:16SPEAKERI don't know what that means.

49:18SPEAKERThat seems like a nonsense phrase.

49:21SPEAKERSimpler settings make it easier to personalize,

49:23SPEAKERopt into or turn off widgets,

49:24SPEAKERand feed content based on your preferences.

49:26SPEAKERThat seems nice.

49:28SPEAKERReduce notifications so you can stay focused.

49:30SPEAKERThat also, the number of notifications I get from Windows

49:33SPEAKERjust has me leave Windows in D&D all the time.

49:36SPEAKERDo not disturb, sorry, not Dungeons and Dragons.

49:39SPEAKERAnd then enhancing search.

49:40SPEAKERThis is one that matters, 'cause look,

49:43SPEAKERmy official policy is to install everything search.

49:47SPEAKER- Yeah, well, I'll touch on that when we get to my ideas.

49:50SPEAKER- And well, did you know that there's an integration

49:53SPEAKERwith that spotlight bar now, the power toy?

49:56SPEAKER- Well, wait, there's an everything integration?

49:58SPEAKER- There's an everything integration for that.

50:00SPEAKER- Command pallet?

50:02SPEAKER- Is it command pallet?

50:03SPEAKER- Yeah, command pallet is the new one.

50:04SPEAKERPower toy is run, is the original one.

50:06SPEAKER- Yeah, there's an integration with run for sure.

50:08SPEAKERI don't know about the command pallet.

50:10SPEAKER- Dude, what?

50:11SPEAKERShit, I have to look into that.

50:12SPEAKERWell, as we'll get to, I'm just cannibalizing my stuff here.

50:16SPEAKERMaybe they should build their own solution for that,

50:18SPEAKERbut still, that sounds exciting.

50:22SPEAKER- More consistent search, like, here's the thing.

50:24SPEAKERThey say things, my big frustration with Windows search,

50:28SPEAKERthe place I use it most, is to mash the Windows key,

50:31SPEAKERand then I type the name of an application

50:32SPEAKERthat I wanna start. - Totally, totally.

50:33SPEAKER- I've talked about this a thousand times on this podcast.

50:35SPEAKERI'm sorry for bringing it up again,

50:37SPEAKERbut it's the stupidest thing in the world

50:39SPEAKERthat like one out of three times when you do that,

50:40SPEAKERyou get a Bing search result.

50:42SPEAKER- To this day, I just pulled up the start menu

50:47SPEAKERand typed store.

50:48SPEAKER- Yep.

50:49SPEAKER- Microsoft store is the second result.

50:51SPEAKERThe first one is pointing to some random

50:55SPEAKERlike store library file that is not runnable or actionable.

50:59SPEAKERI don't know what that is.

51:01SPEAKER- So like getting the priority on that stuff

51:07SPEAKERin the start menu especially is really simple.

51:10SPEAKERIf you're typing something in the start menu,

51:12SPEAKERyou want to launch an application

51:13SPEAKERor you want to launch a file that you have used recently.

51:17SPEAKERIf there's a conflict,

51:18SPEAKERlet the user decide which one you prioritize.

51:21SPEAKERDon't just make a decision or kick it to the web,

51:24SPEAKERwhich is like the worst possible outcome in this.

51:27SPEAKER- Or give the user some granular control

51:29SPEAKERover what types of things surface in that search,

51:31SPEAKERwhich they don't do.

51:32SPEAKERThey finally, in some way,

51:35SPEAKERthey finally gave you the ability to turn off web searches

51:37SPEAKERlike Bing searches in there.

51:39SPEAKER- No, they didn't.

51:40SPEAKER- Or do you still have to-

51:41SPEAKER- No, you have to do a regedit.

51:43SPEAKER- I did that through group policy actually.

51:44SPEAKER- Yeah, group policy editor regedit, either one will work.

51:46SPEAKER- Yeah, okay, so they should add that, even that.

51:49SPEAKERBut also you should be able to tell it not to search files.

51:51SPEAKERLike I don't need the start menu

51:52SPEAKERto search files on my computer.

51:54SPEAKERI'm there to find the app I want to launch.

51:56SPEAKER- When they originally rolled out that search feature

51:59SPEAKERin Windows Vista, I think, you chose,

52:02SPEAKERhey, do you want to search the web?

52:03SPEAKERNo.

52:04SPEAKERDo you want to search files?

52:05SPEAKERNo.

52:06SPEAKERDo you want to search settings?

52:07SPEAKERYeah, actually that one's useful.

52:08SPEAKERI like that.

52:09SPEAKER- An awful lot of this whole conversation

52:11SPEAKERis just about various functionality

52:13SPEAKERthat Windows used to have

52:14SPEAKERthat they have slowly taken away over time.

52:16SPEAKER- Absolutely.

52:18SPEAKERAnd a lot of it is about, well, okay,

52:20SPEAKERso let's get to the prescriptive phase of this whole thing,

52:23SPEAKERright, where we tell them how to fix this.

52:24SPEAKER'Cause we're smart and we're podcasters

52:26SPEAKERand we know what we're doing.

52:27SPEAKER- Okay, I'm gonna claim the first one

52:29SPEAKERbecause it is literally what we were just talking about.

52:31SPEAKERLike it just makes sense to go ahead and finish the thought.

52:34SPEAKER- Yeah.

52:35SPEAKER- 'Cause it's basically what their last item was about.

52:37SPEAKER- They should just create some kind of everything style

52:40SPEAKERfile indexing service for Windows

52:42SPEAKERand give you instantaneous up-to-date file search.

52:45SPEAKER- They used to have that.

52:46SPEAKERIt was called Windows Search.

52:47SPEAKERIt was in Windows for like a good 10 years.

52:49SPEAKER- Did it actually work?

52:51SPEAKERBecause it has been so long.

52:53SPEAKER- Well, that's a loaded question.

52:54SPEAKER- It has been so long since I used the search field

52:56SPEAKERin File Explorer that I can't even remember

52:58SPEAKERwhen it used to actually ever work, if it ever really did.

53:02SPEAKER- So Windows Search was a XP Vista era thing.

53:06SPEAKERI think it was software they released for XP

53:09SPEAKERas an add-on that you can download.

53:11SPEAKER- Okay, I never used that then.

53:12SPEAKERIf that was a separate install, I don't know what that is.

53:15SPEAKER- Well, and then they integrated it with Vista

53:17SPEAKERand it wasn't as good in Vista as my recollection.

53:20SPEAKERThe search inside files was always iffy.

53:23SPEAKERIt was good at text files and stuff like that.

53:25SPEAKERIt wasn't good at other stuff.

53:26SPEAKER- I don't even need search inside files.

53:29SPEAKERThey would love to have search inside files,

53:30SPEAKERbut I would be happy with search file names working correctly.

53:35SPEAKER- Yeah, so here's the thing.

53:36SPEAKERI don't know that that kind of search

53:38SPEAKERis a thing that people want in 2026.

53:43SPEAKERI know you want that

53:44SPEAKERbecause you're the right kind of nerd to want that.

53:46SPEAKERBut I think-

53:47SPEAKER- We cannot have the abstracted file systems

53:49SPEAKERconversation here.

53:50SPEAKERWe cannot have, I mean,

53:54SPEAKERthe everything should be Google Drive thing is like,

53:58SPEAKERthat might be a red line for me in terms of like,

54:01SPEAKERI might just be tapping out of computers

54:02SPEAKERif that's the way everything is coming.

54:04SPEAKER- Look, this is why I'm using a Linux brand.

54:08SPEAKERI think you're not wrong.

54:10SPEAKERI think that there's,

54:12SPEAKERlook, this is one of those places,

54:13SPEAKERand I assume that they still do this.

54:15SPEAKERThey used to have huge data,

54:17SPEAKERuser data teams at Microsoft where they watched,

54:20SPEAKERthey brought in normal people.

54:22SPEAKERThey paid them like 20 bucks to sit there for an hour

54:23SPEAKERand they watched how they used a computer

54:25SPEAKERand they based a lot of their decisions

54:27SPEAKERon those kinds of interactions,

54:29SPEAKERlike watching those interactions

54:31SPEAKERand how people who don't give a shit about computers

54:35SPEAKERuse their computers as a tool.

54:36SPEAKER- I fully get that and I have no problem

54:38SPEAKERwith it being there as an option.

54:40SPEAKER- This is good.

54:41SPEAKERSo this is my first one.

54:42SPEAKER- Okay.

54:43SPEAKER- My first one is they got to stop shaving the edges

54:46SPEAKERoff of everything.

54:47SPEAKER- Okay, sure.

54:48SPEAKER- Like they've made the entire OS smooth Yoda at this point.

54:51SPEAKERAnd like, yes, it's great that they appeal

54:54SPEAKERto the most mainstream possible audience,

54:57SPEAKERbut it means that anybody who wants more

54:59SPEAKERfrom their computer has to jump

55:01SPEAKERthrough a bunch of insane hoops.

55:02SPEAKERAnd it's stuff like installing your profile folders

55:06SPEAKERto OneDrive by default so that you can't find that stuff

55:09SPEAKERif you want to find that stuff.

55:11SPEAKERIt makes it difficult to access.

55:13SPEAKERIt's stuff like forcing you to reboot

55:16SPEAKERwhen you don't need to reboot.

55:18SPEAKERIt's stuff like installing drivers

55:20SPEAKERwhen you already have a driver that you've manually installed

55:22SPEAKERthat's newer than that driver.

55:25SPEAKERIt's stuff like WinGet being kind of in a weird

55:28SPEAKERin-between state of a feature that like power users want,

55:32SPEAKERbut then they don't support it particularly well.

55:34SPEAKERAnd you end up with weird things

55:35SPEAKERlike you type Discord into it

55:36SPEAKERand there's 18 Discord applications

55:38SPEAKERand you don't know which one is the real Discord.

55:42SPEAKERBut yeah, they have made this thing so easy to use

55:46SPEAKERthat if you want to make the machine your own,

55:49SPEAKERit's almost impossible to.

55:51SPEAKERUI, backend, the whole thing.

55:53SPEAKER- Yes, strong agree.

55:55SPEAKERLike another one of my bullet points in that vein

55:57SPEAKERis that they need to make the process

55:59SPEAKERof doing file associations not a nightmare again.

56:02SPEAKERHave you tried to- - Is it bad?

56:03SPEAKERI just do open with and then pick the thing.

56:05SPEAKER- It is awful.

56:07SPEAKERIt is awful when you're trying to do it in bulk.

56:09SPEAKER- Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

56:10SPEAKER- Like I install some fairly, not unconventional,

56:14SPEAKERlike they're very popular programs,

56:15SPEAKERbut they're not like grab it from the Windows store

56:18SPEAKERor it's not the thing that ships with Windows.

56:20SPEAKERLike I still use UrfanView for like browsing images

56:23SPEAKER'cause it's extremely fast.

56:25SPEAKERYou remember that thing?

56:26SPEAKERI use MPV as my video and audio player.

56:29SPEAKERLike I install those from Scoop with the package manager.

56:32SPEAKERGetting Windows to see those Scoop installs

56:35SPEAKERof those two applications as viable media viewers

56:38SPEAKERthat it will then let me associate with file types

56:41SPEAKERis a nightmare.

56:41SPEAKER- Oh, does it just happen when you run it the first time

56:43SPEAKERand then it registers?

56:45SPEAKER- I've had some luck with that just trying to open the file

56:48SPEAKERand then telling it use this application every time,

56:51SPEAKERbut that doesn't always stick.

56:53SPEAKERBut also, I don't want to have to do that

56:55SPEAKERfor every single extension, every file.

56:58SPEAKERLike I don't want to have to go find a file of every type

57:00SPEAKERI want to associate with the thing

57:02SPEAKERand do that over and over.

57:03SPEAKERI want to check a list or I want to do some bulk thing

57:08SPEAKERbecause how many different video file and audio file

57:10SPEAKERextensions are there? - It's like 100, yeah.

57:11SPEAKER- There's a bajillion of them.

57:13SPEAKERAnd the way they expose them right now in the settings,

57:15SPEAKERyou have to go through either by application

57:17SPEAKERor by file type.

57:19SPEAKERYou have to go through every single file type

57:21SPEAKERand change it to the program automatically.

57:23SPEAKERAnd that's assuming that it identified MPV as a valid

57:25SPEAKERvideo player that I can use for that purpose

57:27SPEAKERin the first place.

57:28SPEAKERIt's the worst it has ever been.

57:30SPEAKER- I wonder if that's a byproduct of the legal settlement

57:33SPEAKERabout the monopoly stuff in the year.

57:36SPEAKER- Oh, interesting, I don't know.

57:38SPEAKER- Well, so this is the corollary.

57:42SPEAKERYou hit the corollary to my first point,

57:44SPEAKERwhich is they smooth off the stuff that doesn't matter

57:47SPEAKERand they don't actually handle common OS pain points

57:50SPEAKERparticularly well.

57:52SPEAKERSo things like this, this is a perfect example.

57:55SPEAKERHey, I want VLC to open all my video files.

57:59SPEAKERThere's no easy way to tell it open all video with VLC.

58:02SPEAKERThere's no easy way to say open all the web stuff

58:04SPEAKERwith Firefox.

58:05SPEAKER- For a while there was, it's not there anymore.

58:07SPEAKERI think it was Windows 10 era.

58:09SPEAKERFor a while, they did have those common buckets

58:11SPEAKERof like, here are all the common video file types.

58:13SPEAKERWhat do you wanna use as your video player?

58:14SPEAKERAnd that actually worked okay for a while,

58:16SPEAKERbut they, A, they took it away and B, their definition

58:19SPEAKERof what counted as a video player was not as broad

58:21SPEAKERas it should have been.

58:22SPEAKER- I think that might be on the software side.

58:24SPEAKERI think you have to register as the right type

58:27SPEAKERof MIME handler.

58:28SPEAKERBut anyway, like why did they get rid

58:32SPEAKERof the old Windows backup tool?

58:34SPEAKERWhy have they, actually, I know why they did that.

58:36SPEAKERIt's 'cause they had to pay somebody a per user license

58:38SPEAKERevery time somebody fired that thing up.

58:40SPEAKERBut they should build a backup tool that makes it easy

58:43SPEAKERto back up to a NAS, an external storage or the cloud

58:46SPEAKERand let that be a user choice, right?

58:48SPEAKERIt's a core part of the OS functionality.

58:50SPEAKEREvery other modern OS ships with that.

58:53SPEAKERWhy are video card vendors and Valve making tools

58:56SPEAKERthat handle things like distributing compiled shaders

58:58SPEAKERfor games?

58:59SPEAKERThat seems like an Xbox app or DirectX feature.

59:01SPEAKERThat should be just something that the OS handles.

59:03SPEAKERThis is what I expect OSs to do,

59:05SPEAKERis take away those pain points.

59:07SPEAKERBut where's a core API that handles,

59:10SPEAKERthat gives access to things like AI upscaling

59:14SPEAKERand frame gen and latency acceleration for games?

59:18SPEAKERThat's another core OS functionality

59:20SPEAKERthat they just don't do.

59:22SPEAKERWhat's the, I mean, I have a bazillion of these.

59:25SPEAKERI'm not gonna belabor it,

59:27SPEAKERbut they don't actually make the things that are confusing.

59:31SPEAKERWhy do they not default?

59:33SPEAKERWhy do they default?

59:34SPEAKERWhen you plug in a monitor,

59:35SPEAKERit's a high refresh rate monitor.

59:36SPEAKERWhy does it default that to 60 hertz?

59:38SPEAKERIf you have a, they know you have the panel,

59:41SPEAKERthey know you have the cable,

59:42SPEAKERthey know you have the video card.

59:43SPEAKERPut it at 120, man.

59:45SPEAKER- I've seen like two or three instances

59:46SPEAKERin the last few months of people saying

59:48SPEAKERthat they bought a high refresh monitor

59:49SPEAKERand then never changed it off of 60 for like a year.

59:51SPEAKERAnd then when they finally did it, their brain exploded.

59:53SPEAKER- Yeah, I was talking to Abby Russell the other day

59:57SPEAKERwho just bought a new monitor.

59:58SPEAKERI was like, "Hey, did you set the refresh rate in Windows?"

1:00:00SPEAKERShe's like, "No, I have to do that."

1:00:02SPEAKERI was like, "Yeah, you do."

1:00:03SPEAKERShe's like, "Oh, this is a lot better."

1:00:05SPEAKER- It is.

1:00:06SPEAKER- Yeah, it's ridiculous.

1:00:07SPEAKERLike why do they not, they don't protect the users

1:00:11SPEAKERfrom doing things that are gonna hurt their use.

1:00:14SPEAKERThey're only doing the users that prevent them

1:00:16SPEAKERfrom doing things that cost Microsoft money

1:00:18SPEAKERor don't make Microsoft money.

1:00:22SPEAKERStop selling stuff all the time, man.

1:00:23SPEAKER- Well, okay, let me add to that.

1:00:26SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:00:27SPEAKER- Yes, I agree with you.

1:00:29SPEAKEROkay, this one will never happen

1:00:30SPEAKERbecause it's just not the type of company they are anymore.

1:00:33SPEAKERI wrote, "Maybe start charging for Windows again."

1:00:36SPEAKER- Look, yeah.

1:00:38SPEAKER- Do you remember what on our scientifically determined

1:00:41SPEAKERranking of Windows was the number one Windows?

1:00:43SPEAKER- Was it Windows 7?

1:00:44SPEAKER- It was Windows 7.

1:00:45SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:00:46SPEAKER- Do you remember when the last time I was

1:00:47SPEAKERthat I paid for a Windows license?

1:00:49SPEAKER- I'm using a Windows 7 license today.

1:00:51SPEAKER- Like Windows 7 is the last boxed copy of Windows

1:00:54SPEAKERthat I just paid for outright and installed on my computer.

1:00:56SPEAKERAnd like that's the last time

1:00:58SPEAKERthat I think everybody acknowledges Windows was universally,

1:01:00SPEAKERlike go figure when Windows basically started becoming free,

1:01:05SPEAKERthey found all the other shittier ways to monetize it.

1:01:08SPEAKER- So I have on my list under the smooth Yoda section

1:01:11SPEAKERof the OS, I have, I can't believe I'm suggesting this,

1:01:14SPEAKERbut I would pay for a stripped down

1:01:16SPEAKERenthusiast version of the OS.

1:01:17SPEAKER- I've been saying this for like months,

1:01:19SPEAKERat least in my head, if not out loud.

1:01:21SPEAKERLike I would, I would happily go back to paying,

1:01:23SPEAKERI don't know, a hundred bucks for a copy of Windows

1:01:26SPEAKERor whatever they want for a better version of Windows

1:01:29SPEAKERthat fixed all these problems

1:01:30SPEAKERand pulled out all the bullshit.

1:01:31SPEAKER- I'm happy to pay to be the customer.

1:01:33SPEAKER- Yes, yes, like I would, you know.

1:01:36SPEAKER- I'd always rather be the customer than the product.

1:01:38SPEAKER- Yes, I'd happily rather start paying for the product again,

1:01:42SPEAKERinstead of being the product.

1:01:43SPEAKER- So yeah, I mean, that definitely goes

1:01:45SPEAKERwith the selling stuff constantly,

1:01:47SPEAKERbut like stuff like pitching Office and Game Pass,

1:01:50SPEAKERwhen I'm already paying for both of those things,

1:01:52SPEAKERfeels like it's the worst feeling in the world.

1:01:54SPEAKERIt's like you're being marketed to by somebody

1:01:57SPEAKERwho's incredibly incompetent.

1:01:59SPEAKERTying features that I like, like that cool wallpapers

1:02:01SPEAKERfrom the internet on the Windows Hello screen.

1:02:04SPEAKERLike I love getting a different wallpaper

1:02:05SPEAKERwhen I log into the computer

1:02:06SPEAKERand it's something that surprises and delight me,

1:02:08SPEAKERthat's great, but I don't want to see an ad bump

1:02:11SPEAKERfor how many people have been bombed today

1:02:14SPEAKERor what horrible earthquake happened in Southeast Asia

1:02:17SPEAKERor some natural disaster that's going to be

1:02:19SPEAKERjust a huge bummer when I'm sitting down

1:02:21SPEAKERto turn on my computer at the start of the day.

1:02:23SPEAKERThat sucks, don't tie those things together.

1:02:26SPEAKERAnd whoever put Bing in the Start menu is really,

1:02:30SPEAKERthey should be in the Hague.

1:02:31SPEAKERLike it's the worst OS decision Microsoft has made ever,

1:02:36SPEAKERI think, it's just profoundly stupid.

1:02:38SPEAKER- You should, again, you should be able to limit

1:02:40SPEAKERthe Start menu to just searching apps

1:02:42SPEAKERthat are listed in the Start menu.

1:02:44SPEAKER- Yeah, weird.

1:02:45SPEAKER- I've got a couple other small ones here.

1:02:47SPEAKERThese are the types of things that I should

1:02:48SPEAKERand probably will go type into that suggest a feature thing.

1:02:52SPEAKERThey added tabs to File Explorer some years ago,

1:02:54SPEAKERwhich is a good thing.

1:02:55SPEAKER- Yeah, I like that.

1:02:56SPEAKER- They should absolutely give you an option

1:02:58SPEAKERto make it default that anytime you open a storage link,

1:03:01SPEAKERlike anytime you open anything

1:03:02SPEAKERthat will spawn a File Explorer window,

1:03:03SPEAKERwhich you often do, you should have the option

1:03:06SPEAKERto have all of those open in your existing File Explorer

1:03:09SPEAKERwindow that's already sitting there.

1:03:10SPEAKER- Yeah, that sounds great.

1:03:11SPEAKER- Currently, there's no way to do,

1:03:13SPEAKERso even though you have tabs, every time,

1:03:15SPEAKERlike 'cause you know applications will spawn

1:03:17SPEAKERa File Explorer window occasionally when they're like,

1:03:19SPEAKERhey, go here, go to this location.

1:03:21SPEAKERLike the screenshot tool, the snipping tool

1:03:23SPEAKERdoes that for example.

1:03:24SPEAKERYou take a screenshot with snipping tool,

1:03:26SPEAKERthere's a link right there

1:03:27SPEAKERthat's like open this file in storage.

1:03:30SPEAKERThat's opening a new File Explorer window

1:03:33SPEAKERthat you then have to drag the tab of

1:03:35SPEAKERinto your existing window

1:03:36SPEAKERif you want everything in one place.

1:03:38SPEAKERLike it's just insane that that's like they put the tabs in,

1:03:41SPEAKERbut did not make it so you can easily

1:03:43SPEAKERhave all the tabs go to the same place.

1:03:48SPEAKER- I got one.

1:03:49SPEAKER- Okay, go ahead.

1:03:50SPEAKER- Core OS applications like Notepad and Task Manager

1:03:53SPEAKERand let's see what else.

1:03:56SPEAKERThey should open in, they should,

1:03:59SPEAKERFile Manager should all be instantaneous

1:04:02SPEAKERon any hardware that will run Windows 11.

1:04:05SPEAKER- Sure, yeah, sure. - Like if they take longer

1:04:06SPEAKERthan a quarter of a second to open,

1:04:09SPEAKERsomebody at Microsoft should be getting like the data

1:04:13SPEAKERfrom that machine so they can figure out why it's slow.

1:04:16SPEAKER- Agreed. - Because the benefit

1:04:17SPEAKERof doing a cutoff of an eight-year-old,

1:04:19SPEAKERof everything older than eight years old

1:04:21SPEAKERwhen they did this jump to Windows 11

1:04:23SPEAKERis that the hardware is good at this point.

1:04:27SPEAKER- Agreed.

1:04:30SPEAKERI've got some others that are still

1:04:32SPEAKERother kind of little usability improvements.

1:04:34SPEAKERThey had something like this in Windows 10

1:04:36SPEAKERand they took it away.

1:04:37SPEAKERMaybe you're noticing a theme. - Yeah, weird.

1:04:40SPEAKER- The ability to like, basically better window management,

1:04:43SPEAKERbetter like minimize and restore behavior.

1:04:45SPEAKERLike I have a ton of windows open.

1:04:47SPEAKERI've got two monitors, I do a lot of media work.

1:04:50SPEAKERYou know, like I've just got a lot of stuff open

1:04:52SPEAKERall the time.

1:04:53SPEAKERYou should have the option to minimize

1:04:55SPEAKERand restore all the windows that belong

1:04:57SPEAKERto the same application in like one action.

1:04:59SPEAKER- You can't do that? - Not anymore.

1:05:01SPEAKER- Oh boy.

1:05:02SPEAKER- Used to be able to shift, right click the icon

1:05:04SPEAKERon the taskbar and hit minimize and they would all minimize.

1:05:07SPEAKERThat is gone now.

1:05:08SPEAKER- I didn't know that.

1:05:08SPEAKER- And also like, so the show desktop functionality

1:05:12SPEAKERis still in there.

1:05:13SPEAKERYou know, you can do win key D to do that

1:05:14SPEAKERor I think you can still click to the, yes, I just did it.

1:05:17SPEAKERYou can still click to the right of the system clock

1:05:19SPEAKERto make all your windows minimize.

1:05:22SPEAKERYou should be able to restore all of those

1:05:23SPEAKERto the previous position, which you cannot do.

1:05:26SPEAKERLike the fact that I can't just click that button again

1:05:28SPEAKERto have everything go back exactly like it was.

1:05:30SPEAKER- It sucks.

1:05:31SPEAKER- Like better kind of grouping.

1:05:33SPEAKERLike the way Mac OS handles windows

1:05:35SPEAKERthat belong to the same application makes more sense to me.

1:05:38SPEAKERYou know, you can hide an entire application at one time.

1:05:41SPEAKER- We have. - Which you can't do here.

1:05:42SPEAKER- This whole metaphor for controlling software on an OS

1:05:46SPEAKERhasn't changed in 20 years.

1:05:48SPEAKER- Yeah. - Like they added

1:05:49SPEAKERthe snap corners and the snap edges.

1:05:51SPEAKER- Snap edges are decent actually.

1:05:52SPEAKER- In Windows 8, I guess, which I like.

1:05:53SPEAKERThey're good.

1:05:54SPEAKER- Windows actually, that's one thing Windows is doing well

1:05:56SPEAKERthese days is the snapping, especially with fancy zones.

1:05:59SPEAKERBut even without it, it's like pretty robust now.

1:06:01SPEAKER- But no, they could do better.

1:06:04SPEAKER- There's a lot of room for improvement, yeah.

1:06:08SPEAKERAnd like they should be pushing this stuff forward.

1:06:10SPEAKERThey shouldn't have to look at what people are doing

1:06:13SPEAKERwith Linux and Mac OS and then lift that.

1:06:15SPEAKERThey should be coming up with novel new ways

1:06:17SPEAKERfor people to interact with computers

1:06:18SPEAKERthat aren't, hey, buy a tablet.

1:06:21SPEAKER- Sure.

1:06:22SPEAKER- Firefox has a big giant button in it now

1:06:24SPEAKERthat says turn AI off.

1:06:27SPEAKERThey should have that.

1:06:28SPEAKERThat's a great feature.

1:06:29SPEAKER- Well, let me do you one better.

1:06:31SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:06:31SPEAKER- It's got a big button that said turn AI on.

1:06:34SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:06:35SPEAKER- Like what if it defaulted to off?

1:06:36SPEAKER- Like you opt in?

1:06:36SPEAKER- Yeah, what if you had to opt into it?

1:06:38SPEAKER- It's madness.

1:06:39SPEAKERThat'll never happen.

1:06:41SPEAKERBut yes, opting in sounds great.

1:06:43SPEAKERI bet their stockholders have feelings about that.

1:06:46SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah.

1:06:47SPEAKER- I got one more and then I'm out.

1:06:49SPEAKERBut I'm gonna say that Windows documentation

1:06:51SPEAKERhasn't been good in about 15 years at this point.

1:06:55SPEAKER- Are you saying they should start shipping

1:06:56SPEAKERthose big thick white books again?

1:06:58SPEAKER- I think that when they killed the knowledge base,

1:07:01SPEAKERthey made an enormous opportunity for scammers and fraud.

1:07:06SPEAKERAnd there's a lot of good sites.

1:07:08SPEAKERThere's Stack Overflow and there's a bunch of places

1:07:10SPEAKERwhere you get good Windows information.

1:07:12SPEAKERBut there's also a lot of AI spam sites now

1:07:15SPEAKERthat are just trying to sell people memory doublers

1:07:19SPEAKERand Windows registry cleaners and garbage like that

1:07:22SPEAKERthat doesn't actually do anything.

1:07:23SPEAKERAnd that void exists because they don't have

1:07:27SPEAKERan authoritative source for a lot of information

1:07:29SPEAKERthat's not their message boards.

1:07:31SPEAKER- That's fair.

1:07:31SPEAKERI will say they're sort of like their developer documentation

1:07:34SPEAKERand more kind of nerdy adjacent stuff.

1:07:36SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:07:37SPEAKER- Like the WSL2 documentation is pretty good

1:07:41SPEAKERand stuff like that.

1:07:41SPEAKERBut yes, for the more mainstream user interface type stuff.

1:07:46SPEAKERYou're right.

1:07:47SPEAKER- Mike Denseglio, who is a contributor at PC World,

1:07:49SPEAKERhe does security stuff for us over there.

1:07:52SPEAKERWorked at Microsoft for a long time.

1:07:54SPEAKERHe was one of the people behind BitLocker.

1:07:55SPEAKER- Oh, yeah, yeah.

1:07:56SPEAKERYeah, I've heard him on that Dual Boot Diaries

1:07:58SPEAKERlike special interview with him.

1:08:00SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah, he was saying that when they added

1:08:04SPEAKERthe QR codes on the blue screen,

1:08:06SPEAKERoriginally each of those was supposed to go

1:08:08SPEAKERto a discrete page where it told you how to solve

1:08:11SPEAKERlike what the blue screen you got meant

1:08:13SPEAKERand how to solve it if it was fixable.

1:08:14SPEAKER- That would've been cool.

1:08:15SPEAKERThat would've been cool.

1:08:16SPEAKER- And then they just, they didn't have budget

1:08:18SPEAKERto make the content for that, so they didn't do it.

1:08:20SPEAKER- That stinks.

1:08:21SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:08:22SPEAKER- Now they don't even let you see the crash dump

1:08:23SPEAKERor whatever it is long enough to scan the QR code

1:08:25SPEAKERbefore it goes away.

1:08:26SPEAKER- No, well, you can fix that by enabling full dumps

1:08:29SPEAKERinstead of mini dumps.

1:08:30SPEAKERBut anyway, what you got?

1:08:33SPEAKER- That kind of, I burned my they should just start charging

1:08:36SPEAKERfor Windows again as my closer, unfortunately.

1:08:41SPEAKERBut that's most of my stuff.

1:08:44SPEAKERI mean, there's certainly more stuff I could come up with.

1:08:46SPEAKERLike virtual desktop management should be better.

1:08:48SPEAKERThey have made that worse in Windows 11.

1:08:50SPEAKER- I think that fits in the, hey, the UI hasn't changed

1:08:53SPEAKERin a meaningful way in a long time.

1:08:54SPEAKER- Like it used to be that if you have something like Chrome

1:08:57SPEAKERor File Explorer where you can have multiple windows,

1:08:58SPEAKERyou know, multiple instances of the same thing.

1:09:01SPEAKERIt used to be that if you had that open on one desktop,

1:09:03SPEAKERbut you went to another desktop where it wasn't open

1:09:05SPEAKERand clicked the icon, it would just open a new instance

1:09:07SPEAKERof it on that desktop,

1:09:08SPEAKERwhich obviously is what you're trying to do.

1:09:11SPEAKERNow-

1:09:12SPEAKER- It just smacks you back to the other desktop?

1:09:13SPEAKER- Yes, now if you had it open on a different desktop,

1:09:15SPEAKERit will instead just send you back to the previous desktop

1:09:18SPEAKERthat the app is open on and open that version.

1:09:20SPEAKERAnd it's like, no, I need a new File Explorer window

1:09:22SPEAKERover here on my work desktop.

1:09:23SPEAKERLike what the-

1:09:24SPEAKER- See, that's why, like I'm gonna take it one step further.

1:09:28SPEAKERI think that if you should have a different task bar

1:09:30SPEAKERand different settings for your,

1:09:32SPEAKERyou should be able to set that stuff up differently

1:09:34SPEAKERfor your different desktops, right?

1:09:35SPEAKER- And give people some customization options

1:09:37SPEAKERaround how they want those things to behave

1:09:39SPEAKERbecause different people have different mental models

1:09:42SPEAKERfor how those things should work.

1:09:43SPEAKERAnd like some amount of variability would be nice there.

1:09:48SPEAKER- Yes, that's it.

1:09:51SPEAKERMicrosoft, we would like some amount of variability, please.

1:09:54SPEAKER- Yes, sure.

1:09:57SPEAKERI take this blog post as a good sign, generally.

1:10:00SPEAKERLike the fact that they felt compelled to post this

1:10:02SPEAKERand that they've got like a pretty well-ordered

1:10:04SPEAKERlist of priorities they're gonna tackle

1:10:06SPEAKERand some of those actually do sound kind of useful.

1:10:08SPEAKERLike I'm optimistic that they,

1:10:12SPEAKERregardless of their motivations,

1:10:13SPEAKERwhich it seems like it's mostly out of desperation.

1:10:17SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:10:17SPEAKER- Like, hey, please don't hate us

1:10:19SPEAKERany more than you already do.

1:10:20SPEAKERBut like, I'm hopeful this is headed in a good direction,

1:10:23SPEAKERbut time will tell.

1:10:24SPEAKER- I felt pretty good about it until the,

1:10:29SPEAKERhey, we've taken the co-pilot stuff out of Notepad

1:10:32SPEAKERand Paint, turned out to be just renaming it.

1:10:34SPEAKERAnd then that feels bad.

1:10:36SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah.

1:10:38SPEAKER- But I'd love to hear what you all think.

1:10:40SPEAKERWhat would you like to see Microsoft fix in Windows?

1:10:44SPEAKERYou can post them to us in the Discord

1:10:46SPEAKERor send them to techpot@content.town.

1:10:48SPEAKERI think we have questions and answers coming up next week.

1:10:50SPEAKERSo maybe we'll hit some of the faves.

1:10:53SPEAKER- I would also encourage people

1:10:55SPEAKERto send them into the feedback hub.

1:10:56SPEAKERIt seems like they're actually gonna pay attention to that

1:10:58SPEAKERin a way that maybe-

1:10:59SPEAKER- Yeah, now that you mentioned it,

1:11:01SPEAKERlike if they were ever going to look at these suggestions

1:11:03SPEAKERand bug reports, now is probably the time.

1:11:06SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:11:07SPEAKER- I have one more question.

1:11:08SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:11:09SPEAKER- Also for people on our Discord,

1:11:10SPEAKERchatting in this week's thread,

1:11:12SPEAKERthis goes for them too.

1:11:13SPEAKERAnybody who switched to Linux from Windows.

1:11:16SPEAKERAlso, I don't know if this is asking you

1:11:18SPEAKERto like burn future Dual Boot Diaries material.

1:11:21SPEAKER- No, let's do it.

1:11:22SPEAKER- Could you see yourself ever switching back at this point?

1:11:26SPEAKER- I mean, yeah.

1:11:27SPEAKER- Could you be enticed to make it your daily driver again

1:11:30SPEAKERif it got better?

1:11:31SPEAKER- I mean, look, in the capitalist state that we live in,

1:11:37SPEAKERif I have an employer that runs Windows,

1:11:39SPEAKERI'm gonna run Windows, right?

1:11:40SPEAKER- Oh, sure, yeah.

1:11:41SPEAKERI mean, if you have a reason that you have to,

1:11:42SPEAKERthat's different, but like in your current state.

1:11:46SPEAKER- If I started, like right now it's convenient

1:11:48SPEAKER'cause of the games that I'm playing most

1:11:49SPEAKERrun on Linux pretty well.

1:11:52SPEAKER- Sure.

1:11:53SPEAKER- If I got real into Marathon or something

1:11:54SPEAKERthat doesn't run on Linux,

1:11:55SPEAKERmaybe we can have a conversation.

1:11:57SPEAKERI can't imagine, I feel like I've gotten to a point

1:12:00SPEAKERwith productivity stuff where I'm much more,

1:12:02SPEAKERlike the way window handling works for me now

1:12:05SPEAKERis so much better than I've ever had in Windows before.

1:12:07SPEAKER- That's actually, I started--

1:12:08SPEAKER- It would be hard to go back.

1:12:09SPEAKER- I started to put introduce a tiling window option.

1:12:14SPEAKER- This is what I'm talking about.

1:12:15SPEAKER- But I didn't put it on my list

1:12:16SPEAKER'cause I just assumed you would put it on yours.

1:12:18SPEAKER- Well, I mean, nobody is driving UI forward at this point,

1:12:22SPEAKERreally, except for the Linux people.

1:12:23SPEAKERAnd like, they're doing amazing stuff over there.

1:12:26SPEAKERIt is the, what was it, the cosmic people,

1:12:29SPEAKERwhen we had them on dual boot diaries,

1:12:30SPEAKERthe people from System 76 who make the cosmic desktop

1:12:36SPEAKERand their desktop OS said that they added a toggle in

1:12:40SPEAKERon workspaces for tiling.

1:12:42SPEAKERAnd then like three days later,

1:12:43SPEAKERthey were walking around the office

1:12:44SPEAKERand all the people that were on the dog food build

1:12:46SPEAKERwith that had switched to tiling for all of their desktops.

1:12:48SPEAKERAnd it's because like the fancy zones

1:12:53SPEAKERand the corner snapping and all that stuff

1:12:54SPEAKERis convenient and good,

1:12:55SPEAKERbut having the OS just place the windows for you,

1:12:58SPEAKERit turns out is transformative.

1:13:01SPEAKER'Cause the whole point of this

1:13:03SPEAKERis that you don't have to think about it.

1:13:04SPEAKERAnd if you set it up right,

1:13:06SPEAKERyour windows are just always in the exact same place

1:13:08SPEAKERand you develop muscle memory around that stuff,

1:13:10SPEAKERwhich is really, really nice.

1:13:11SPEAKER- Yeah, like I'm trying to think of the last time

1:13:13SPEAKERa commercial operating system feels like it really innovated

1:13:15SPEAKERin the user interface department and like-

1:13:17SPEAKER- Apple introduced Exposé.

1:13:19SPEAKER- But that's exactly, in fact, I was gonna say gestures,

1:13:22SPEAKERlike multi-touch gestures on the Mac with track powers

1:13:24SPEAKERis kind of the last time I feel like any aspect of input

1:13:27SPEAKERor window management or UI, generally UX,

1:13:30SPEAKERlike really felt fresh and interesting and innovative.

1:13:33SPEAKER- Tabs, when the browsers added tabs, maybe.

1:13:36SPEAKER- Yeah, it's been a while.

1:13:39SPEAKER- Yeah, it feels fairly ossified.

1:13:42SPEAKERAnd when we reach a point where things are changing,

1:13:44SPEAKERthen it's good for your brain to do new things, is the TLDR.

1:13:51SPEAKERAnd one of the new things that would be good

1:13:53SPEAKERfor your brain to do is to support your favorite

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1:15:00SPEAKER- Thank you, I'm the only one who saw this.

1:15:04SPEAKERThis is not a video podcast and you're facing the other way.

1:15:06SPEAKERYour game frame was just doing

1:15:08SPEAKERsome real weird shit for a second.

1:15:11SPEAKER- Really?

1:15:12SPEAKER- Yeah, like the bottom two rows of pixels

1:15:14SPEAKERwere lit up real bright in some interesting colors.

1:15:17SPEAKER- Oh, no.

1:15:18SPEAKER- In a way that was, it seemed to fix itself.

1:15:20SPEAKERIt righted itself and continued on.

1:15:22SPEAKER- Oh, I'm gonna be sad if my game frame is on the friends.

1:15:24SPEAKER- It was cool, to be honest,

1:15:26SPEAKERand it was like a bit glitch arty.

1:15:28SPEAKERI don't know what was going on there.

1:15:30SPEAKER- I'll be honest, I was thinking about,

1:15:33SPEAKERI was thinking about doing a,

1:15:36SPEAKERlike writing a Python script or something

1:15:37SPEAKERthat would generate some random noise to put up there.

1:15:40SPEAKERI had that. - Oh, yeah, sure.

1:15:42SPEAKER- I got that, I got the, I got that,

1:15:44SPEAKERthat Pimoroni galactic unicorn

1:15:46SPEAKERor whatever that thing's called.

1:15:48SPEAKERMaybe I'll do that with that.

1:15:49SPEAKERI think there's a way to do like whopper lights on that

1:15:52SPEAKERjust out of the box, but anyway, glitch arty.

1:15:55SPEAKERIt's the future, man.

1:15:56SPEAKER- Yeah, that's cool.

1:15:57SPEAKERI spent a little bit of time last weekend

1:15:58SPEAKERreading about async IO in Python.

1:16:00SPEAKER- There you go.

1:16:01SPEAKER- Which is asynchronous,

1:16:02SPEAKERlike how to do multiple things at once

1:16:04SPEAKERand hand off control to different functions

1:16:06SPEAKERand have things wait and it's the first step

1:16:09SPEAKERto writing a demon.

1:16:10SPEAKER- Have you played the former was replaced, Brad?

1:16:12SPEAKER- No, no, I have not.

1:16:13SPEAKER- You need to play that.

1:16:14SPEAKERYou would very much like, it'll run on your laptop too.

1:16:16SPEAKER- Yeah, I should check that out,

1:16:17SPEAKERbut this is basically how you would like to do an event loop

1:16:20SPEAKERfor something like a service or a demon

1:16:23SPEAKERthat sits there waiting for things to happen

1:16:24SPEAKERas opposed to working imperatively

1:16:27SPEAKERand then into, anyway, programming.

1:16:29SPEAKERInteresting stuff. - Yeah, it's the future.

1:16:31SPEAKERThat'll do it for us this week.

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