00:00SPEAKERWhat do you know?
00:02SPEAKERAbout joy con drift joy con drift. Oh, man. I've well I've I have taken a joy con apart in my day
00:07SPEAKERSo let's say me too. Yeah. Oh, yeah, you also did that. So is this the intro or we just said?
00:14SPEAKERI mean, I think so. Okay, well now we can start over means we're gonna try it. I just fucked it up
00:18SPEAKERI can I definitely can talk about joy con. So we can just do an intro. That's just the intro
00:22SPEAKERWe just talking about the intro. Maybe it is. I don't know if this should be the internet
00:25SPEAKERThis is the entrapped back around to being the intro again. So here we are
00:29SPEAKERI mean I was gonna talk about how animal crossing has completely exposed all that every joy con in my house as dress that sucks
00:36SPEAKERI feel so lucky. I haven't had that yet. Is it just is it really noticeable? I mean, I guess it has to be noticeable
00:43SPEAKERso
00:44SPEAKERThere's a combination with animal crossing of no aim targets plus the fact that the stick moves on its own
00:48SPEAKEROh god aiming it makes it in that game to begin with. Oh my god
00:52SPEAKERIt's the fishing is so front that and the fact that I'm pretty sure they've written the fish in that game - the moment you cast
00:58SPEAKERAim the other direction I would believe it's just just it's supposed to be a chill fun game and I'm just
01:05SPEAKERFucking angry at those fish animal crossing is a harsh master
01:08SPEAKERSo I'm not clear if joy con drift is a hundred percent guaranteed to happen to all joy cons eventually or if it's a sporadic thing
01:15SPEAKERmy understanding is it's when dust gets between the the sensor and the
01:20SPEAKERLike into the sense of it. So it's registering false positive contact
01:24SPEAKERyeah, pretty much and and the way it works is usually like on mine at least the sticks move, okay, and
01:33SPEAKERbut then sometimes when you release the stick to stop it doesn't stop or
01:37SPEAKERSometimes if you like bump at the tiniest bit it'll register a big move and it'll just go
01:41SPEAKERCan you it is I'm sure that isn't so frustrating
01:44SPEAKERCan you kind of like feather it with your thumb to correct it back to neutral or is that not kind of great?
01:49SPEAKERThat's not great
01:50SPEAKERI'd been playing a lot of Animal Crossing picked up an Xbox 360 controller the other day
01:54SPEAKERAnd I was like, oh man, this is so nice. Yeah, just does exactly what I wanted to do. Yeah, it's a their fixes
02:00SPEAKERYes, you can wipe off home fixes. Yeah, you can replace the sticks. You can get aftermarket sticks and replace them
02:07SPEAKERIt's just a couple screws in a ribbon cable
02:08SPEAKERI think I saw that on I fix it there like what 15 bucks a stick or something like that
02:12SPEAKEROr is it 15 bucks for two maybe on Amazon is what I saw. Okay, or you can also
02:18SPEAKERJust open it up and blast it out with air and hope that hope for the best
02:23SPEAKEROh, I mean they will fix it but we're both in the situation where we've made some modifications
02:29SPEAKERThey're not gonna fix my yeah, you could if you still have the original housing you could put it back together and maybe they'll
02:35SPEAKERMaybe they'll never know
02:37SPEAKERThey'll know. Yeah, they always know they can always tell
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03:18SPEAKERWelcome to Brad and Will Made a Tech Pod. I'm Will. Hey, thanks for having me. I'm Brad
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04:36SPEAKERThat's like that is fucking genius is entrepreneurial
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05:15SPEAKERThis this week though. Yeah, which we talk you want to talk about some we've got a grab projects. Yeah
05:21SPEAKERYeah, somehow it turns out that being stuck in the house
05:24SPEAKERIt leads to us tinkering with a bunch of stuff all day long or whatever. It's it's what we do
05:30SPEAKERWe've been talking about the mister a lot lately and you and I both made some purchases
05:35SPEAKERYou're further along than I am. Yes, although still in some various state of completion
05:40SPEAKERWhat do you what do you want to start? Do you want to start with the foreign RAM?
05:43SPEAKERI don't I shouldn't lead with that, but I just did well
05:48SPEAKERLike you sent me a link to this guy in Portugal. I don't want to put him on blast. No, no
05:54SPEAKERI'm not upset just no clear
05:55SPEAKERI'm not I'm not worried over any I'm not even concerned at this point cuz PayPal if you're a buyer
05:59SPEAKERPayPal would give you money back for any reason whatsoever including you shipped it and it arrived
06:05SPEAKERI'm not worried about him getting scammed. He came recommended by some of the like most trusted figures in the mister community
06:11SPEAKERSo I'm not worried about that at all. It's more just idea. It's all good
06:13SPEAKERIt's been it's been a few weeks much for where what the state of the shipping is
06:16SPEAKERBut I'm not about to hassle somebody in the middle of a pandemic about it
06:20SPEAKERSo so I want to talk about your build because we're doing basically very similar builds
06:25SPEAKERI don't know if you're doing an output board, but I'm not planning on it the is not right now
06:29SPEAKERI know I I thought I was going to I started out just thinking like I'll just buy everything. Why not?
06:35SPEAKERLet's just get the whole kit and caboodle
06:37SPEAKERWho cares? Yeah, don't go big. That thing is what is the price on the i/o board? Is it 50 40 50 50?
06:44SPEAKERI guess 50 pushes it up to like 350 for the whole thing. Yeah. Yeah 325 for the whole thing
06:48SPEAKERBut as an individual part, I don't want to say it's around 50 bucks. That seems right
06:51SPEAKERIt gets you VGA out analog audio 3.5 millimeter out optical audio out
06:58SPEAKERWill it drive a arcade monitor - can you or is that a different thing? I don't know
07:02SPEAKERSo I think the VGA I'm getting close to talking out of my depth here
07:06SPEAKERBut I there are multiple standards that will come out of that VGA port
07:10SPEAKERScarred I saw there was a scarred after yeah one and still never quite understood. What scarred is the scarred scar RGB?
07:16SPEAKEROr the sub art is RGB plus with luminance. Okay other channels separated out as I understand
07:22SPEAKERI never I've never used I think scarred was a audio production thing or a euro thing. Okay
07:27SPEAKERI've never encountered it in real life
07:29SPEAKERLike I know that that portal do like VGA into an actual PC VGA monitor. It'll do scarred and stuff like that
07:35SPEAKERIf you have an actual CRT
07:36SPEAKERYou definitely want that board like I would if I have room for to get the old monitor out of my parents basement
07:41SPEAKERI would absolutely get that thing. But for me and you if you're using HDMI only it doesn't seem really worth the money
07:48SPEAKERThat's that's and it's not like you can't add it on later. Oh, yes, I can
07:52SPEAKERyeah, the two the two quality of life features on the IO board that are kind of universally good to have our it's got three
07:58SPEAKERButtons on it for like reboot and you know stuff like that. Ooh
08:01SPEAKERWhich is kind of nice to have but kind of whatever
08:05SPEAKERAnd it also serves as a fan mount. It has a mount on it directly over the the chip on the d10
08:13SPEAKERYou just put that on can't you just put that into your case though? No, there's nothing to mount it on by default
08:20SPEAKERWell, you mean but if you're making your case
08:22SPEAKERWell, I'm planning on laser cutting some cases. Yeah, so that design I sent you
08:27SPEAKERYeah, it had a hole exactly that. Yeah
08:30SPEAKERSo if you have access to a laser cutter or 3d printer their designs out there for just a dumb
08:35SPEAKERAnd by dumb, I mean no electronics in it
08:38SPEAKER2d cut or printed fan mount so you're on that tip right now
08:44SPEAKERThat's my plan when you have a laser cutter everything looks like it should be laser
08:47SPEAKERI was gonna mention to you earlier, but I'll just tell you now on the podcast that design
08:50SPEAKERI sent you has designs for top and bottom plates
08:53SPEAKERAnd if you have okay, if you haven't cut them yet, I think at least for me you can skip the bottom plate
08:57SPEAKERI don't see any reason to
08:59SPEAKERYou just leave no pants on your mister if you want to if you've got like extra acrylic lying around I won't turn it down
09:06SPEAKERBut you don't look totally don't have to sheets of acrylic cost
09:10SPEAKEREssentially nothing. Oh, really?
09:12SPEAKERThey're very inexpensive. Well, okay when I when I when I when it when it occurred to me to ask you if you would laser
09:17SPEAKERCut this for me
09:17SPEAKERI first thought I should at least provide him the raw
09:20SPEAKERMaterial some dude and I started looking around and I was like I found like some places charge an awful lot for laser
09:26SPEAKERCut acrylic, but maybe that's like a special
09:28SPEAKERit depends so
09:30SPEAKERLike if you go to tap plastics and you buy a big sheet and get them to cut it into pieces that will fit in
09:34SPEAKERYour cutter it costs like I don't know a couple of bucks a sheet probably. Well, I was looking at the wrong suppliers then
09:41SPEAKERwell, but also I bought a glow Forge and they did an affiliate code and I gave my affiliate code out when I was when I
09:48SPEAKERWas talking about the glow Forge a couple of times
09:50SPEAKERso a few people bought and they gave a certain amount of credit for materials for everyone that
09:55SPEAKEREveryone that bought a laser through your affiliate link, so I haven't bought materials in our wires
10:00SPEAKEROkay, for the I said, we're fine suddenly feel way less bad about asking you to laser cut that stuff
10:05SPEAKERI was thinking about doing my case in like in like a like maple or something like a fancy wouldn't doing a little stain
10:11SPEAKERSo it looks like a I don't think I'm gonna do a case actually for oh really a couple reason frames
10:18SPEAKERGod, there's so much to talk about with this thing. I'm trying to keep it all straight
10:22SPEAKERLet's talk about this so cooling
10:24SPEAKERYes, not it's not super crucial
10:27SPEAKERApparently that thing can manage without any kind of active cooling or even passive cooling
10:31SPEAKERBut like just those people seem to just want to extend the lifespan of that thing as long as they can so they are adding
10:36SPEAKERYeah into it
10:38SPEAKERSo I
10:39SPEAKERWanted I wanted the high-end knock to a fan which is quieter
10:43SPEAKERIt's not necessarily like better at cooling than the the $2 fan, but it's quieter and I think sold out everywhere
10:50SPEAKERSo I actually bought a bigger fan
10:52SPEAKERso there's a fan is not gonna fan any cases, so I
10:56SPEAKERsaw yesterday either in the tech pod discord or my my
11:01SPEAKERTwitch discord people were talking about there being a fan shortage. Yeah coolers in general are out of stock all over the place
11:07SPEAKERThat's what happened the Noctua that everybody buys for that thing. It's it's the dimensions are 40 by 40 by 10 millimeters and
11:15SPEAKERThat one is just gone. You can't get it right now
11:17SPEAKERThat's a weird low-profile fan, but there is a similar I should I shouldn't say this out loud
11:22SPEAKERYou should order one of these if you want it before this podcast goes up because there might be a run on them
11:27SPEAKERBut there's a there's another not gonna makes another fan that is 40 by 40 by 20
11:31SPEAKERSo it's double the height so it will fit it won't fit in a lot of the the standard case designs, but it
11:37SPEAKERIt's actually quieter than the 10 millimeter one, so it's actually better if you don't mind this fan being kind of
11:44SPEAKERYeah, like my fans thick brand yeah, well then I got I have the fan for you so I
11:50SPEAKERI've got heat sinks and thermal tape that I can peel you off
11:54SPEAKERBecause that stuff apparently only sells in bulk the the fuse the fewest
12:00SPEAKERHeat-sink so the heat sink the I think the biggest heat sink you want for a mister is 22 by 22 by 10
12:05SPEAKEROkay, and the fewest of those I could get was 10
12:09SPEAKERSo if you need a mister heat sink, I got you
12:12SPEAKERthere's something spectacular like there's something so there's a thing that had that the prop community does when like
12:19SPEAKERsomebody wants to make a bunch of Han Solo blasters or something is like
12:23SPEAKER40 people will each make one or two pieces or order one or two pieces or have them fabricated or whatever and then they all
12:30SPEAKERShare the pieces together and and like there's a thing about this mister that is that is happening
12:36SPEAKERYeah with this like I'm starting to get that by cases. You've got some cooling stuff. Oh
12:41SPEAKERYou know it's it's a lovely community project. Yeah next time next time next time we meet up
12:46SPEAKERWe can do a little swapsies. I'll get that fan mount from you, and I'll give you a heat sink with the thermal tape on it
12:51SPEAKEROh, I'm looking forward to it. I've got twenty thirty. I don't know how deep you want to get into this
12:55SPEAKERI bought some dupont cables. I had never heard of a dupont cable, and I don't know what a dupont cable is
13:00SPEAKERThey are they're used for breadboards, so this is an audio podcast
13:04SPEAKERSo it doesn't exactly play, but I could are they like the little jumper ones hold them up and show them to you right now
13:08SPEAKEROh, yeah, they're literally just like foot female on one end male on the other ends like I didn't know that for those were called
13:15SPEAKERYeah, I've never heard the term dupont cable before also like speaking of
13:19SPEAKERThe fewest of these I could get was 80. What do you need like - I need to
13:25SPEAKERI've also peel you off a couple of dupont cables
13:27SPEAKERThat's because I love that the diode board also has a fan an actual proper fan power connector
13:33SPEAKERAnd if you don't also you're jumping so if you yes
13:35SPEAKERSo if you don't have that your fan is gonna have to go into a couple of the GPIO pins directly on the DE 10
13:41SPEAKERGot and so okay, you'll need a couple of these. It's literally you're just connecting up the fan cable to the board itself
13:46SPEAKERso it's not a problem, but any point is like we'll do a little swap meet next time we are able to leave the house and
13:53SPEAKERGet that stuff set up. Yeah, that sounds good
13:55SPEAKERSo that's kind of the DIY cooling situation is you know like you'll you'll want to get a fan assuming you want a fan
14:01SPEAKERwell, you probably are okay with just a heat sink, but I
14:04SPEAKERlook I I
14:07SPEAKERMy my two concerns with this mister thing are that Intel will stop subsidizing the d10s at some point
14:13SPEAKERThat's that's been my and also yeah, so I want the one that I buy to last a long time
14:18SPEAKERAnd they're they're they're what they're like it's like 130 bucks or something
14:21SPEAKERIt's a little bit too expensive for me to buy just a spare to keep around or not disposable if it was 50 bucks
14:27SPEAKERI would buy two and I would have one in the closet
14:29SPEAKERThat's just there for when the first one shuts the bed. Yeah, especially cuz yeah like I said
14:33SPEAKERI will I'll give you a heat sink and the fan if you don't care about noise a $2 fan a $2 5 volt fan is
14:39SPEAKERPerfectly fine. I'm gonna plug this into a TV, and you know it's fine. Yeah, so
14:45SPEAKERWait so do you have your d10 yet? I haven't ordered it yet no
14:49SPEAKEROkay
14:50SPEAKERSo I've been digging around with mine since I don't have the RAM. There's very little I can do with it
14:55SPEAKERYeah, I
14:57SPEAKERWhat can you play just channel so Genesis and turbo graphics and I believe so like the Gameboy Advance core will run
15:03SPEAKERBut I believe not all games will work like the bigger games don't work cuz they need the RAM
15:07SPEAKEROkay, so I haven't tried GBA yet, but the turbo graphics and Genesis work just fine
15:11SPEAKERIt's on the turbo graphics you want to play Alex kid. I went straight to know that's a Sega joint
15:16SPEAKEROh, that's a Sega when I went straight to the beginning
15:19SPEAKERplayed some Keith courage in alpha zones turned into that the rain the rainbow came down from the heavens and I turned into a giant
15:25SPEAKERrobot I
15:26SPEAKERDon't think I've ever played a turbo graphics game. It's probably a questionable platform. It was better. It was better in Japan
15:33SPEAKEROkay, but it is one of the two cores that I can run without the SD Ram on that thing
15:37SPEAKERSo I've been fiddling with it, but the the main thing I've been fiddling with that on that thing actually is
15:42SPEAKERNetwork sharing. Oh, yeah, this is the core part of every classic classic console game is hooking it up to the network
15:50SPEAKERMost people buy a big SD card and just drag games directly onto it
15:54SPEAKERThat seems reasonable, but I've already got all my games on this network storage that I talk about all the time
15:59SPEAKERIt's nothing like adding an extra layer of complexity. So I just want to point the mister at that
16:05SPEAKERBut you can really connect the thing to the network. I didn't know that. Oh, yeah, it's got an ethernet port on it
16:10SPEAKEROnce you add USB ports, there are approved Wi-Fi adapters you can use
16:14SPEAKERIt totally works Wow. So
16:17SPEAKERNot a problem I was able to mount like the Linux kernel has Samba CIF s built right into it
16:22SPEAKERSo you can it's amazing. You can literally just use like command line level mount commands to mount your network share
16:28SPEAKERso I did that and
16:30SPEAKERIt works fine like near as I could tell I did some I did
16:33SPEAKERI mean I put some Genesis games directly on the SD card just to see and
16:37SPEAKERAs far as I can tell they load just about as fast over the network
16:40SPEAKERHow big an SD card are you talking about? Like 128 gigs or like a 32 set that I'm using?
16:46SPEAKERYeah, I'm using the a game with it because all I need is the OS on there
16:49SPEAKERBut like I think people are people are buying as big a card as they can get because some people are putting like just take
16:54SPEAKERA CD and PC engine CD games on there
16:56SPEAKERthere's something to be said about just having a box you can take to somebody's house and plug into a USB port totally and like
17:02SPEAKERPlug into HDMI and be good to go. I understand the appeal of having the game is like, you know
17:08SPEAKEREspecially cartridge games are small enough that I could still put a bunch of them directly on there if I want to but like for me
17:13SPEAKERIt's more about organizing
17:14SPEAKERlike only having to organize in one place and just kind of yeah a central repository because I'll probably also want to point a retroarch install
17:21SPEAKERat this same repository at some point
17:24SPEAKERSo so the thing the thing for me is that I like when I do this when I do these emulation projects
17:29SPEAKERI usually really curate the games that are available
17:33SPEAKERTo the point that it's only like maybe 20 or 30 games. Otherwise, it's just too overwhelming. Yeah
17:38SPEAKERI mean as of right now, I think I kind of want the whole set just to have the access to
17:42SPEAKERBarbie horse adventure if I need it. I like to play those Japanese horse racing Sims. They're pretty fun. Yeah
17:50SPEAKERSo so so I feel like there's a gotcha coming up with the with your network share
17:55SPEAKERI was debating whether to bring it up or not. So I I've mentioned I mentioned before I've got like local DNS
18:02SPEAKERHostname resolution set up in my router. Yeah, sounds like whatever
18:06SPEAKERBut I know it's really handy cuz I need to tell you name. Absolutely
18:10SPEAKERSo like especially now that I'm SSHing into like three or four different things on a regular basis
18:15SPEAKERNot having to remember new mayor or look up numeric IPS for everything is fucking amazing. Like yeah being able to
18:21SPEAKERYou know being able to connect to free nass dot land or mr. Dot land is so much better than having to remember those IPS
18:28SPEAKERSo I've been able to mount that share from the mr. Command line by numeric IP
18:32SPEAKERBut if I for the fucking life of me
18:34SPEAKERI cannot get it to mount by the hostname
18:36SPEAKERmeaning that if that IP ever changes I have to go into the mister and manually edit that IP to make it to update it to
18:41SPEAKERPoint to the new address, right? So I have spent fucking week
18:46SPEAKERlooking at net bios
18:48SPEAKERresolution and like
18:50SPEAKERbucking around in SMB conf and using SMB client to try to
18:55SPEAKERFigure out what's going on there and I just cannot get it to resolve that hostname and it's kissing me
19:00SPEAKERIt's killing. Is it a problem? Is it the Linux? Is it not is it not?
19:05SPEAKERRegistering the name on the DNS. I can only decide I don't know I can like I can ping that hostname and it returns it
19:11SPEAKERIt pings and and sees the numeric IP just fine
19:14SPEAKERCan so is it Samba seems very particular about the way that it resolves host names, which is separate from how the base system does it?
19:22SPEAKERThis site so I had this problem. I said with the free nass box and I couldn't get my Linux machine which was running
19:28SPEAKEROctopi my 3d print thing to show up at all. I know exactly this exact same problem in a very similar situation
19:34SPEAKERI eventually just put a host file entry in for the places that I use right the most
19:41SPEAKERAnd that solves the problem enough that I didn't care about it anymore
19:43SPEAKERRight, like I could just stick with the numeric IP and move on with my life
19:46SPEAKERI just refused to admit defeat at this point. So I'm gonna keep banging on it, but
19:50SPEAKERCuz it is annoying like I changed my do not change my network IP range a couple weeks ago
19:57SPEAKERThat sounds like a nightmare it was it was a pain for a few days. I but I bring you a 10.15. Yes
20:03SPEAKER10.0
20:04SPEAKER10.0 old choice. It's fewer dude is fewer numbers to type. That's like true. How many different that is?
20:11SPEAKERIt's at least three less digits every time I type an IP on my network now. I mean, it's it's funny
20:18SPEAKERI switched to a tenkeyless keyboard a couple years ago
20:21SPEAKERand the only time I miss it is when I'm tax season when I have to do a bunch of spreadsheet stuff and
20:26SPEAKERThen also when I'm typing an IP addresses because I got bang out of 192.1 six eight
20:31SPEAKERUnbelievable. Yeah, I can't I can't live without the numpad. I need it. I
20:36SPEAKERHave an external one I pull out in April
20:38SPEAKERso so like I so that the Raspberry Pi that I use is my nut server has to has to have a
20:44SPEAKERstatic IP for a variety of reasons
20:47SPEAKERAnd like that's that's the example like when I change my network range
20:49SPEAKERI forgot to update that IP beforehand. So then I had to crawl under the desk and like
20:54SPEAKERPull out the Raspberry Pi where it is buried and like hook it up to a TV and then edit the IP manually
20:59SPEAKERSo like that's why that's why I try to use host names for everything because it all just works
21:03SPEAKEROnce it's set up do you do fixed IPs for the host the ones with the host names just for just just just just for that
21:09SPEAKERRaspberry Pi. Oh, wait. Wait. Yeah. No, I let the DHCP assign IPs to everything
21:14SPEAKEROh, see I fix I fix everything that's static and just do it
21:17SPEAKERI could I could just I could just set a static IP for the free NAS machine and then not have this problem
21:23SPEAKERBut I like your commitment to doing it the right way bread news. I like your commitment to doing it the right way
21:28SPEAKERYeah, anyway, Mr. Is a fun project the last thing real quick. I'll say I just found a
21:32SPEAKERKind of a handy tip if you happen to be running your mister into a video capture setup like I am
21:40SPEAKERInstead of having to change inputs on my monitor to see what's on coming out of the mister
21:44SPEAKERWhich you obviously you lose your most of your Windows desktop that way
21:47SPEAKERThe camera app in Windows 10 is a pretty handy way to see what is coming into your HDMI capture. Oh
21:54SPEAKERSo like you could use the OBS for this or you could like straight up start a Google Hangout and also pipe it in that
21:59SPEAKERWay, but the camera app is like literally just open start menu and type camera. It's made for webcams
22:05SPEAKERIt's made for like taking pictures yourself or whatever. It's just a dinky tiny little lightweight app
22:09SPEAKERLittle it'll take the take the feed of any video to like video in device that's coming in the windows
22:14SPEAKERWow, I didn't know you could do that. I don't think my I don't think mine
22:18SPEAKERI don't think my capture card works with it. I don't think it's the right drivers
22:21SPEAKEROh, I can't find a way to change the device in the camera app. It seems to just pick one
22:26SPEAKERYeah, so with my webcam or plug it pulls up the the mage well capture device that I'm using
22:30SPEAKERso anyway, it's like it's a nice way to have like, you know, the
22:34SPEAKERMr. Console window open in one app and the video out open in another window
22:39SPEAKERKind of give that guy back and forth for testing and stuff. So that's my so I that's my mister
22:44SPEAKERSet up right now. Yeah, there you go. That's fun. I
22:48SPEAKERI got tired of using voice meter to deal with streams and podcasts and stuff like that
22:54SPEAKERReally voice meter is a software mixer and this problem is awesome in concept
23:01SPEAKERIt's it is an incredibly powerful tool. The problem with it is you can't really monitor
23:07SPEAKERIt doesn't give you a way to monitor your audio program feed live
23:11SPEAKERlike if you're street like I've been doing a lot of streaming because it's the I
23:16SPEAKERMy work is dead right now
23:18SPEAKERso I've been doing a lot of streaming and
23:21SPEAKERsince I can't monitor the program feed when like somebody's low or my game is hot or I'm not the list audible next to that I
23:29SPEAKERYou can't hear anything and also when voice meter crashes you you don't get feedback
23:34SPEAKERSo you don't know that something's gone wrong
23:36SPEAKEROh until I don't necessarily even like till somebody says somebody in your chat says hey, no, yeah, okay
23:40SPEAKERAnd so I'm working on a project that requires me to be able to do recordings that I need to be able to monitor
23:46SPEAKERbut I don't have somebody here to monitor them because I'm doing it in my house and
23:50SPEAKERI
23:51SPEAKERWent bought a mixer nice and I asked the internet and I asked Jason from giant bomb and a bunch of other folks and
23:59SPEAKERA lot of people were like look you probably this with with an analog like a stock like a Yamaha analog mixer
24:04SPEAKERLike the ones we used to use whiskey and the ones we used for the tested podcast for years
24:08SPEAKERbut if you want to up at a level maybe add
24:14SPEAKERMaybe add a little bit of
24:17SPEAKERPizzazz, yeah get some digital goodness in there
24:21SPEAKERBarringer makes these these these mixers these digital mixers that are the x-airs
24:26SPEAKERBarringer sounds like a company that makes audio hardware and also military hardware
24:31SPEAKERLike like I would not be surprised to hear that. They also manufacture ar-15s or something
24:36SPEAKERIt just sounds like a rough-and-tumble company name. I think they're English. They're probably quite polite and yeah
24:42SPEAKERHe's out for the tea or whatever
24:45SPEAKERBut uh, but yeah the so I got the xr-18 which is the for the lowest end model that does a
24:53SPEAKERUSB out so that I can plug into it as a show up shows up as a da da W in my windows interface and
25:02SPEAKERHoly crap, I have spent so much time
25:05SPEAKERLearning how to use this. So this is the baby version of what you guys use in the studio giant, okay
25:09SPEAKERso like you the thing that almost looks like something in a recording studio like a
25:13SPEAKERMusical recording studio like it has wings tons of knives and sliders and stuff like that none. No knobs. No sliders
25:20SPEAKERI could rack mount this thing. Oh, it has rack mounts
25:23SPEAKEROkay, I now I now I get what you're saying and it has 18 ends and like eight or nine outs. Wow
25:29SPEAKERWait, wait, how do you control all that stuff? So I have an iPad or there's an app on my windows machine
25:36SPEAKERSo, you know the iPad that Jason carries around in the studio is that that's it's that thing. Yeah. Oh wow. So so
25:43SPEAKERThat's why Andy because it's all software you can route everything everywhere. So like I have buses
25:50SPEAKERSo it's designed for like live stage shows and studio stuff
25:54SPEAKERso like if you're doing this for a band then you have a
25:57SPEAKERlive mix a different mix goes to the drum and a different mix goes to the vocals and different mix goes to the lead guitar and
26:04SPEAKERThey all want to hear different instruments at different levels so they can keep keep pace with each other. I
26:09SPEAKERDon't need any of that stuff
26:11SPEAKERBut it has let me set up
26:13SPEAKERdiscord on one bus game audio on one bus my audio on one bus and
26:19SPEAKERI can't what the last thing is. Oh
26:22SPEAKERLike like stream notifications and stuff like that sure or music and it has been absolutely fascinating
26:29SPEAKERIt sounds so great to be able to split all that stuff out
26:32SPEAKERwell, and it also includes so like in a normal analog mixer like those Yamaha mixers we used to use remember when Vinnie got the
26:38SPEAKERCompressor and all of a sudden we could yell on when we were doing the live show
26:41SPEAKERYes
26:42SPEAKERSo it has this like normal analog mixers have kind of shitty compressors built in this thing actually has software modeled compressors built in
26:50SPEAKERI don't know how that stuff works. But like I can it does I can yeah, I haven't figured out how to work that stuff yet
26:55SPEAKEROh, it's it's this has been a like last night. I figured out how to mute stuff
27:00SPEAKERUsing my stream deck. Oh, so that was very exciting. Sure. It's been a it's been a gradual process steps
27:05SPEAKERExactly sounds awesome though, and it's really it's been really fun
27:08SPEAKERSo how many devices are you seeing or in windows or is it how many devices is windows seeing?
27:13SPEAKERI should say like how many extra sound ins and outs are you suddenly?
27:18SPEAKERjuggling and so so
27:20SPEAKERby default it shows up as one MME device one stereo MME device or
27:27SPEAKERMME or WDM audio model, but if you're using software that speaks assio, which is the low latency
27:34SPEAKERIt's a it's a closed source
27:37SPEAKERLicensed low low latency protocol for
27:42SPEAKERConnecting audio devices to computers basically and audio devices to other other audio devices
27:47SPEAKERAnd if you use that that shows up as like 18 18 inputs Wow
27:52SPEAKERAnd then you can pipe like I'll I'll send me I'll push the screenshot in the show notes or something
27:57SPEAKERbut like if you post the ins and outs then you can see the whole like you can send any of the
28:05SPEAKERsliders on the on the digital thing can be either USB input from the other computer or
28:10SPEAKERa line in or a microphone or an instrument or whatever
28:15SPEAKERSo I guess I'm gonna have to get a keyboard is that they are here. Sure
28:19SPEAKERSo what are what are some examples of software you're using that supports that that assio standard?
28:23SPEAKERLike does OBS do that or do you need like higher-end professional stuff? So OBS doesn't because it's not compatible with the licensing for OBS
28:31SPEAKERsure
28:32SPEAKERBut voice meter does okay. So what I'm doing now is using voice meter to route stuff into specific inputs
28:39SPEAKERYeah, so it's got tools on virtuals on virtuals
28:42SPEAKERLook, it's virtual. It's it's just mixers all the way down now Brad
28:46SPEAKERit's it's been
28:48SPEAKERlike this is one of the things that I finished my stream at like midnight the other night and I was like
28:52SPEAKERI'm gonna plug in this new mixer and see how this goes because I at first I was like
28:56SPEAKERI'm gonna clear off my entire desk unwire unhook everything. I'm do a clean wiring job and then I was like, oh wait
29:02SPEAKERThat's a bad idea
29:03SPEAKERThat is a because I could tell you from experience over the last month. That is the multi-day project
29:08SPEAKERWell, but not only that I was like I have to make sure I have all the wires right before I do that
29:12SPEAKERLike I need to figure out how this actually works
29:14SPEAKERokay before I go through and
29:16SPEAKERLike tear everything down and rebuild it cuz then what's gonna happen is I'll fuck something up and I'll have to just redo the whole
29:21SPEAKERThing again. Sure. So so I didn't I didn't tear it all down
29:25SPEAKERI just I like scooch the ps4 forward six inches and just jam the mixer in behind that
29:31SPEAKERThat's the noisiest part of the desk. That's always the first step
29:34SPEAKERAnd then I ran a bunch of like my short right right length cables hadn't come yet
29:39SPEAKERSo I just ran a bunch of 20 foot XLR cables along the back of my desk, which is not ideal and I got it working
29:46SPEAKERBut it was one of those ones where like three o'clock in the morning. I was sitting here
29:49SPEAKERI was like clicking a button to see and then I was playing on the streaming PC
29:52SPEAKERI was playing Spotify on one output. I was playing YouTube on another output on the game PC. I was playing
29:59SPEAKERSpotify on one output and something else under their output and I just kept hitting buttons to see what worked until it was like a
30:06SPEAKERinfinite number of monkeys in front of an infinite number of switches and eventually I worked it out and an infinite number of virtual audio devices
30:12SPEAKERIt turns out all the all the virtual audio devices
30:14SPEAKERBut thanks to Jason and Vinny and all the people that helped answer questions on that because the discord
30:20SPEAKERThe audio channel on the discord was incredibly useful and I was deciding what to buy that seems that stuff seems super powerful
30:26SPEAKERYou're you're doing it the right way like learn how to use it first and then run all the cables
30:29SPEAKERBut is the is the full on desk rewire still in your future?
30:34SPEAKERBecause I dude it's so satisfying I know it's a ton of work and it's a huge pain in the ass
30:38SPEAKERBut it's so much better at the end. Hey Brett, how's your monitors doing right now?
30:42SPEAKERYou got those new monitors and yeah, just I'm not changing the subject. That's not all
30:47SPEAKERFucking the 15 year old monitors are in the floor
30:50SPEAKERNew shit right now
30:52SPEAKERso I'm gonna I'm gonna tear I'm gonna pull everything out at some point in the not to just in the future because like
30:58SPEAKERThis stuff is not there's a better way to arrange things
31:01SPEAKERAnd and I want to get like separate headphone ins and outs set up where it's easy to plug in and unplug
31:07SPEAKERAnd all that stuff. So it is it is a huge undertaking and a huge pain in the ass if you're set up as anything like
31:13SPEAKERMine, but oh like dude, you have no I do
31:16SPEAKERSatisfying and so much easier when you're done like people like we get this all the fucking time
31:20SPEAKERBut like people are always just like what are the what are they just streaming eight hours a day?
31:25SPEAKERWhat else are they doing, you know and in this particular work-at-home case?
31:28SPEAKERLike I was the better part of two weeks for me like just about every day at some point
31:32SPEAKERI was on I was lying down on my back under the desk like pulling cables through mounts and
31:37SPEAKERhooking stuff up and it was like it was just a massive undertaking but it was
31:41SPEAKERSo worth it because I feel like I'm at the point now where I can just plug in a switch or a ps4 or this mister
31:46SPEAKERAnd just go, you know, like it's literally 30 seconds to plug something in and hit go
31:51SPEAKERSo that's the next such a it's such a useful investment of time to get all this stuff set up
31:55SPEAKERThat's where I want to get is I have like I have the right
32:00SPEAKERSplitters and stuff to be able to switch from switch to ps4 or whatever. I've got this
32:05SPEAKEROn me. Well, well, I mean I still have to unplug a cable, right?
32:08SPEAKERBut it's like okay the in into the splitter one half goes to a monitor the other half goes to the capture card
32:14SPEAKERThat's what I've got and that like setting that up. So I don't have to crawl under the table to unplug shop
32:19SPEAKERStuff is so good. So good
32:22SPEAKERBut yeah, the next the next phase is to like think about routing audio cables
32:27SPEAKERSo I'm not picking up weird noise from crossing like monitor power and stuff like that
32:31SPEAKERBut also have the have the the XLR ends and the headphone outs
32:35SPEAKERIs she good where they're easily accessible and all that stuff should get one get one of those ground loop isolators
32:41SPEAKERIt's good. It's good to have around needed one. It's good to have around you to solve my problem in a
32:46SPEAKERMiraculous way. I so I had I did have a ground loop when I was setting this up and
32:51SPEAKERI solved it by taking a piece of metal a piece of wire
32:55SPEAKEROkay, and hooking it on to the the shield from the head from from the XLR in
33:01SPEAKERHooking it just touching it to piece of metal on the back of my monitor and that's all the problem. It also works
33:06SPEAKERIt's it's everything's better now. I don't know just physics. Yeah, you just gotta tell those electrons where to go
33:13SPEAKERexactly now
33:15SPEAKERShould we move on to the next thing?
33:17SPEAKERYeah, I like this project corner put cornucopia. This is fun going on. You know, we're just stuck at home right now
33:24SPEAKERI gotta find stuff to do
33:25SPEAKERThe projects why don't we talk about you wanna talk about my free Nast backup extravaganza as I yeah as I have labeled it here
33:33SPEAKERIn this doc. Nothing's more fun than backup backing up. That's what I always say that we've done the restore yet
33:38SPEAKERThat's the question virtuals on virtuals to backups of backups
33:43SPEAKERAlthough really I mean I have been working on this but really this is just a gateway to talk into this
33:48SPEAKERInto discussing this week's scandalous news story. I
33:52SPEAKERWe don't don't normally do news here. But as it is core to our interests
33:56SPEAKERI think it's worth getting into is a lot of people on our discord have been also talking about it
34:00SPEAKERI have been personally affected by it's we're gonna have to discuss it cuz I'm in a fit of peak over it at the moment
34:06SPEAKERWhat what is the scandal Brad? Should we just get right to that?
34:10SPEAKERYou look you've teased it enough talk too much about it. So
34:14SPEAKERApparently, there are actually only like three actual manufacturers of hard drives left at this point
34:18SPEAKERIt's Western digital Western Digital Seagate and Toshiba. Yeah, I guess everybody else is out of that game in terms actually making them
34:25SPEAKERThey're just anybody else selling hard drives is just rebadging one of those
34:29SPEAKERDo you think in like 20 years people are gonna be like man?
34:31SPEAKERYou can't play Xbox original Xbox games without a hard drive if the load times aren't there. You're not getting the core experience
34:37SPEAKERIt's just it's like CRT is if you're saying that hard drives are going the way of CRT is I am completely fine with that
34:45SPEAKERfuck hard drive
34:47SPEAKERLike even even in the best situation just the risk of mechanical failure and all that stuff just no thanks, but this is worse
34:53SPEAKERThis is way worse. What did they do? So the three manufacturers do I hope I've got a handle on this
34:59SPEAKERI've pretty I got a decent understanding of it at this point
35:02SPEAKERThe short version is there is a new type of platter technology and hard drives called SMR, which is a shingled
35:08SPEAKERI should have had this in front of me. Yeah, it's like the bag of nuts on YouTube
35:13SPEAKERDo you the person touches this bag and it makes a scratchy sound in your microphone makes you get tingles in your spine?
35:18SPEAKERIt's known as SMR in the community. Yeah, people are way into it
35:23SPEAKERNo, it's it's a shingled magnetic recording is the name of it. So does it sound fun? The the upshot is that the
35:30SPEAKERthe read and write tracks on a normal hard drive are
35:33SPEAKERkind of adjacent each other like you would expect and in this and in this shingled
35:40SPEAKERVersion of that the read and write tracks actually overlap like shingles on a roof
35:45SPEAKERWow, the reason the whole reason this exists is is it is my understanding is it is simply a play to
35:51SPEAKERIncrease the density of data storage on this in the same amount of space which makes sense, right?
35:56SPEAKERSo they're taking an overlap instead of instead of being end-to-end which means they can cram more into the same amount of physical space
36:02SPEAKERThis is like when they switch the bits from being horizontal on the parallel to the platter to being perpendicular to find their kind of
36:09SPEAKERYeah, but but now they're just they're angled in on top of each other
36:12SPEAKERThere are mechanics to the way that reads and writes happen on hard drives on magnetic platters that I don't fully grasp here
36:18SPEAKEROkay, the upshot is it's a cheaper and more efficient way to cram more data into the same amount of space at
36:24SPEAKERThe cost of at the massive cost of performance
36:27SPEAKERWhat what exactly performance is impacted? So from what I understand I think I've got this, right?
36:34SPEAKERThese SMR hard drives actually function a lot like the SSDs do with trim
36:39SPEAKERTrim is basically a process of the SSD going in and handling or the OS depending on what level it's happening out
36:45SPEAKERBut it's a garbage collection feature of it's going in and rearranging stuff during kind of idle times or when it can
36:50SPEAKERYeah, but it so there's a on SSDs
36:54SPEAKERThere's a mechanical like rights the basically the each cell has to be prepared for a right after there's been data in it, right?
37:00SPEAKERSo if you if you're doing that during downtime, there's no impact if you do that during a right then your rights slow down dramatically
37:07SPEAKERSo this is a similar situation except that here it's because these tracks overlap and so shipping these drives with trim
37:14SPEAKERSo yes
37:15SPEAKERNot to get ahead of ourselves
37:16SPEAKERBut the way people have found this because these companies did not disclose that they were starting to slip these into the channel
37:22SPEAKERis by pulling a bunch of like hardcore like
37:26SPEAKERlike smart Mon tools
37:28SPEAKERdiagnostic info off of them to see like what features they support and finding that these hard drives are reporting having some kind of trim support which
37:35SPEAKERWeird it makes no sense for a hard drive at least in a classical sense, right?
37:39SPEAKERbut it's because so it's because these drives don't write to themselves exactly like they
37:44SPEAKERLike you think they do like they don't directly write to where the data is supposed to go
37:48SPEAKERYeah, there's a I believe the site is called blocks and files. Let me check. Yes blocks and files
37:53SPEAKERYeah, that's the name. I hadn't heard of it. It sounds like it's pretty kind of hardcore storage
37:58SPEAKERenthusiasts site I
38:00SPEAKERLike their infographics, but they have and maybe this is a sign of just how far down the NAS pole. I've gone I
38:06SPEAKERShould never say that again
38:09SPEAKERThat I find this interview incredibly entertaining
38:11SPEAKERThat's an interview with a guy who is the network manager at a British University who has a ton of hands-on experience with the stuff
38:17SPEAKERThe upshot is these SMR drives do not work
38:20SPEAKERWell in raids at all like to the point that they are basically useless
38:23SPEAKERLike they fail constantly a lot of raid setups are just gonna reject them out of hand because they don't work, right?
38:29SPEAKERAnd he describes a situation
38:31SPEAKERwhere
38:33SPEAKERbasically, these drives have a bunch of like DRAM cache and
38:36SPEAKERThen they will have a small amount of CMR, which is the standard
38:40SPEAKERI forget the C stands for but CMR is the previous it's what all hard drives were until SMR came along
38:45SPEAKEROkay, a constant maybe conventional conventional magnetic control is what all our drives have been up until this new technology
38:53SPEAKERSo he basically describes a layered process of like there's some DRAM cache
38:57SPEAKERthere's a small amount of CMR space on the platters and then a bunch of SMR and that the drives themselves are
39:05SPEAKERYou know kind of temporarily writing data in the CMR area and then in downtime
39:09SPEAKERthey will move that data over into the SMR at a much slower rate and
39:14SPEAKERSo file systems like CFS and like hardcore NAS type setups raid setups that expect hard drives to behave like hard drives are
39:22SPEAKERFlipping the fuck out about this and just like rejecting these drives completely
39:25SPEAKERwell, okay, so I was gonna say so this seems like like this isn't if I have a PC and I want to have like a
39:32SPEAKERMedia storage drive this doesn't seem like that big a deal, right?
39:35SPEAKERLike I like this could be a good way to get a cheap big drives. It is it is okay for random reads
39:41SPEAKERI believe it's really bad at random rights. It's really bad at random rights. That's when it grinds to a halt
39:47SPEAKERHuh? So this SMR technology and this is why this is scandalous is that these this tech has been around for a while and apparently
39:53SPEAKERIt's like very popular in the archival and kind of cold storage space
39:57SPEAKERlike if you're gonna write a bunch of data to a drive sequentially once and then like
40:01SPEAKERYeah, never change it and just read from it or even better like stick in a closet and not touch it
40:05SPEAKERIt's fine makes a ton of sense, but for high-performance
40:10SPEAKERerratic type read-write situations it is completely useless and
40:15SPEAKERnone of these manufacturers have disclosed that they have
40:18SPEAKERSilently started slipping this new type of drive into their old product lines
40:23SPEAKERWell, they're not even putting in the NAS lines, right? They're just putting it on the consumer drive
40:29SPEAKERWestern digital's red line like certain sizes. I believe it's the two to six terabyte tier of the red line is these drives now
40:36SPEAKERThe two terabyte tier to two to six like the higher the bigger the drive the less likely it sounds like they're not shipping this
40:42SPEAKERIn like eight to ten to twelve
40:44SPEAKERTerabyte drives right now. I'd find them. Well, I'm not
40:51SPEAKERSo I bought I have four Reds in my NAS and they have worked fantastically
40:55SPEAKERFor two I have four red eight terabyte drives in my NAS
40:58SPEAKERYou're fine and bottom if yeah, if you bought them, they're old more than a year. You're totally fine two or three years ago
41:03SPEAKERYeah, but I bought a fifth red of the same size six terabytes last summer just as a spare
41:09SPEAKERYeah, cuz you know the shingled it's good good practice
41:12SPEAKERGot the shingles. Keep a cold spare in the closet. You don't want to yeah, like you get it's like the chicken pox
41:18SPEAKERBut you do a little bow that sucks drive
41:21SPEAKERWhy would they put these in the NAS drive makes no sense at all kinds of speculation about it
41:26SPEAKERLike they're basically just sounds like they probably didn't test this in a lot of the actual workloads that will be happening a lot of NAS
41:32SPEAKERscenarios
41:35SPEAKERIt's gotten it's it's it's widespread enough at this point like like on in tech
41:39SPEAKERNoticed this stuff a few months ago and didn't really report on this like bait-and-switch, which is exactly what this is
41:44SPEAKERBut they did say like hey avoid these SMR drives like they're not what you want
41:49SPEAKERIX systems who is the company behind free ass and true NASA and they make like enterprise
41:56SPEAKERYou know systems. Yeah, like they don't get a free open source thing like their actual businesses is
42:01SPEAKEREnterprise NAS boxes and support for corporations
42:05SPEAKERLike that, you know, they sell they sell machines that are the cost Tim's to hundreds of thousands of dollars
42:10SPEAKERYeah, they're making file servers these days. Yeah, they they have a
42:14SPEAKERexplicit stance that you should not be putting SMR drives in NASA's
42:18SPEAKERWhich sucks ass because as of right now according to this interview with this network manager, they are still putting Reds in
42:24SPEAKERIn their enterprise boxes and he actually contacted them and they were unaware of this issue
42:29SPEAKERSo it feels like it's like ours Technica picked it up this morning. Like it feels like it is
42:34SPEAKEROn because this is people like I'm fucking pissed man. Like I paid because the Reds are a premium. It's a premium
42:40SPEAKERYeah, you're paying a premium for a longer warranty and like these are drives that are supposed to spend 24/7 for like years
42:47SPEAKERAt a time. Yeah, and you were paying a premium for that
42:50SPEAKERThese aren't like you're not shucking a consumer portable drive off the shelf
42:53SPEAKERlike you're paying them extra money and they like it feels like just a deceit or deception of the worst kind to
43:01SPEAKERYou know, like you're kind of betraying the people who are should be your most loyal customers by giving them like a substandard product
43:07SPEAKERit's just here and I mean the unfortunate thing about the whole thing is
43:11SPEAKERlike if instead of a
43:14SPEAKERThe idea of it using having one part of the drive that is that is like the good good for rights part
43:20SPEAKERMeans that you're gonna be doing the least efficient kind of moving
43:24SPEAKERfrom from one place on the platter to the other place of platter on the platter and that's just gonna
43:29SPEAKERJust flatten your performance and then exactly what's happening?
43:33SPEAKERYeah, I'm this is this is unfortunate. They seem they seem to be of the mind that if like it
43:38SPEAKERLike you said if you were using this on a desktop for just kind of like scratch storage like whatever
43:42SPEAKERIt's yeah, probably fine because the drive then has a bunch of idle time to do its to handle its business
43:48SPEAKERYeah, but the problem is like if you have a drive fail in a raid and you put one of these in and that
43:52SPEAKERYou're basically oh, yeah this this you're reading you're rebuilding what was on the failed drive, right?
43:57SPEAKERSo you were right out to the entirety of the disk for like hours and hours at a time
44:02SPEAKERSo that drive that needs all this downtime to handle its own garbage collection type stuff
44:06SPEAKERGets none of that time
44:08SPEAKERor gonna show the bad or it or it insists it insists on taking that time and stalls out and that's why the raid sees
44:13SPEAKERIt as a failed drive and like boots it out of the array
44:16SPEAKERso
44:18SPEAKERThere's an amazing quote at the end of this interview. I mentioned
44:22SPEAKERWhere they have lock and piles one. Yeah where they ask this network manager
44:25SPEAKERLike hey, were you ever ever able to actually get one of these drives to work as a replacement in an array?
44:30SPEAKERand he says I
44:32SPEAKERwas able to force the drive to resilver which is this term for
44:36SPEAKERFor replacing a drive in a ZFS raid by switching off right caching and look ahead
44:42SPEAKERThis dropped the drives right speed to less than six megabytes per second and the resolver shit and the resolver ring took eight days
44:49SPEAKERinstead of the more usual 24 hours
44:52SPEAKERMore worryingly
44:54SPEAKEROnce added a ZFS scrub, which is a raid integrity check has yet to successfully complete without that drive producing checksum errors
45:01SPEAKEREven after five days of trying so so so you literally how you literally have high-end drives that are targeted at the NAS market
45:09SPEAKERThat are the fail when you put them in an assless in in very specific common NASA. It was like it's mind-blowing
45:17SPEAKERThat this is happening
45:18SPEAKERLike I like I don't know how because I bought this drive last summer
45:22SPEAKERLike it's not like I can return it to the vendor anymore
45:26SPEAKERBut it's but I bought it as a replacement for when one of the drives fails in my NASA and like it's not it will
45:30SPEAKERNot it will not work for that. So what am I gonna do with it?
45:34SPEAKERThat sucks. Like it's it's like I feel like I should call Western Digital and tell them
45:39SPEAKERYeah, give me a new drive. You need to fix this or I'm probably done buying Western Digital products products forever. I I think
45:49SPEAKERWow, I like I can't I can't even a met like how do they make this right?
45:53SPEAKERThey're gonna have to replace millions of drives
45:55SPEAKERWell, and so I haven't even like we were being
45:57SPEAKERJustifiably hard on Western Digital
45:59SPEAKERBut it has come to light in the last like 24 hours that see gate and Toshiba are also doing this with various product lines. Oh
46:06SPEAKERBoy, so it's kind of everywhere like it is. I mean this seems like a problem that a
46:12SPEAKERMaybe ZFS can change the way works, but it sounds like from the way you're describing the problem
46:17SPEAKERIt seems like that isn't possible the the the opinion of this in this interview that is
46:22SPEAKERExpressed is that it needs to happen at like the drive firmware level
46:25SPEAKERYeah, so it's possible that
46:28SPEAKERLike you can switch the drive to ZFS mode or something and then it handles it differently
46:34SPEAKERBut it sounds like but it's but it sounds like that's just gonna be a band-aid on the problem because this technology
46:39SPEAKERInherently is just slower and less efficient
46:42SPEAKERwell, like it seems like if they put an if they put like an SSD style cache on the drive that could be instead of
46:48SPEAKERPutting it on the platter that might solve the problem maybe
46:51SPEAKERBut but yeah
46:52SPEAKERBut then it's still gonna make three silvers take a really long time and the bigger problem is like yeah
46:57SPEAKERIs you you bought something and not and got?
47:00SPEAKERSomething else, you know, like you yeah, they don't deliver the product that people have
47:04SPEAKEROver years come to expect that they were buying. Well, we all it's I mean, yeah
47:10SPEAKERHonestly, I mean it's picking up like a lot outrage in various tech spaces
47:13SPEAKERLike I said our stars technica and some other bigger tech sites are starting to run with it
47:18SPEAKERIt honestly it almost feels like it has the makings of a class-action lawsuit
47:23SPEAKERThe only thing that I wonder about is if this is such a niche market that there might not be enough members to justify forming
47:29SPEAKERa class
47:30SPEAKERLook, but I don't think about all the hard drives that go into servers every day. That's true. And yeah, yeah
47:35SPEAKERif even even even companies like IX systems are being blindsided by this like that's
47:40SPEAKERGoogle and Amazon and and Microsoft and all the people that run big cloud servers get their drives from somewhere and
47:46SPEAKERLike probably they're speccing to not get these drives
47:49SPEAKERBut maybe not who knows like we'll see like backlays is why I bought WD Reds because they yeah
47:54SPEAKERPublish their stats and like they had good failure rate statistics and I can't you can't trust any of that stuff anymore
48:01SPEAKERIt's a failure rate statistics still but well, yeah. Yeah, or what?
48:05SPEAKERI mean is like those those those numbers are going to change because the technology has changed. It's just an insane situation
48:10SPEAKERI just don't know what decision-making process could have led to
48:15SPEAKERWhat was that Brad we can make these drives for 10% less. Yeah, I'll make the good drive help and
48:22SPEAKERThat's gonna make X that means that our bonuses are gonna be a lot better
48:26SPEAKERThat is probably the most offensive aspect of this whole thing is it's not like they were passing the savings along to the consumer
48:33SPEAKEROh, yeah. No, I mean, it's not like the drives are expensive drives did not get massively cheaper
48:39SPEAKERIt's God. It's it's repugnant man
48:44SPEAKERAnyway, well on that happy note
48:48SPEAKERYou got going on I
48:51SPEAKERspent yesterday
48:52SPEAKERNoodling with Minecraft RTX. Oh
48:55SPEAKERThe ray traced version the long rumored long confirmed. I guess ray traced version of Minecraft
49:01SPEAKERAnd I fired it up yesterday with my daughter and we did she's my Minecraft expert. We did some minecrafting
49:09SPEAKERIt's really neat the lighting and stuff is works that what they did was added for so a normal Minecraft
49:15SPEAKERTexture has two layers for the the actual texture and then the transparency
49:20SPEAKERso for example, like a railroad track has you know, the track the track part that you can see and
49:27SPEAKERThen also has a transparency map that tells the game which parts of it are, you know, it's just a straight mask
49:33SPEAKERSo like when you load up the second layer of the texture
49:36SPEAKERThere's a black place where the where the tracks are not like an alpha channel or whatever
49:40SPEAKERBasically, um, so they added four new
49:44SPEAKERchannels to the textures for I think luminance
49:50SPEAKERMetal metal enos like how shiny it is. Yeah, whether it's um, yeah emissive
49:56SPEAKERWhich is how much light it produces we're Friday's like probably
50:00SPEAKERwell, so I think the I think the
50:03SPEAKERBecause that would be like glass and water and stuff like that, right?
50:06SPEAKERYeah, so there's definitely a refractive but they don't mention it in the in the white paper on a video site
50:11SPEAKERI'll put out white paper. That's awesome, but they don't do their white papers on white papers
50:16SPEAKERAnd I love when video games are also research projects
50:19SPEAKERYeah, I love what else I love when the worlds of like games and academia collide or it is it's very cool
50:27SPEAKERRoughness in a height map a normal map is the other thing. Okay, so so
50:34SPEAKERBasically I
50:35SPEAKERSo basically in order to get into the beta you have to download it's the bedrock bedrock edition only so your Java stuff doesn't work
50:42SPEAKERLike your Java mods and all that stuff. Yeah, it's unfortunate that that split exists, but I guess I get it
50:47SPEAKERI think having played a fair amount of both lately
50:51SPEAKERthe Java one I
50:54SPEAKERYeah, I don't know
50:55SPEAKERit seems it seems like it exists because it has mods in a large player base not because it's a
51:01SPEAKERCutting-edge technology. That's exactly the case. But I mean they could bring that modding infrastructure over if they wanted to write
51:09SPEAKERLike it seems like maybe it seems like they have chosen to like because they're monetizing bedrock servers quite a bit and that kind of
51:14SPEAKERThing it seems like they've tried to keep it as much more of a closed system
51:18SPEAKERYeah, they're like they're monetizing on realms and on content
51:21SPEAKERSo you can buy like content packs and texture packs and stuff like that
51:24SPEAKERLike like Java Java minecraft is old-school like Wild West Minecraft and then bedrock is minecraft as a service, right?
51:31SPEAKERPretty much. I think that's fair
51:33SPEAKERSo they also added a physical physically based renderer
51:37SPEAKERSo I'm trying to think a good example you remember like Yoshi's crafted world where?
51:42SPEAKERthe world looks like it's made of cloth and everything's bouncy and that's all part of the material system and like
51:47SPEAKERYeah, so they added that stuff
51:50SPEAKERThey're doing path-based rate path traced ray tracing and it's lovely. It is absolutely stunning. Looks good. We were we
51:58SPEAKERIn the stream I set up
52:01SPEAKERI set a bunch of stuff and we noodle with a bunch of stuff and we explored they made I think six or eight worlds that
52:06SPEAKERThey paid creators to make they also built some showcase worlds where that you can kind of see what's
52:12SPEAKERGoing on in the like what what they're how the new texture components work and all that stuff
52:19SPEAKERBut we loaded up one of the worlds and started trying to make a camera obscura like we were doing like tricks
52:24SPEAKERHoly shit, and it works it works. Oh, man
52:28SPEAKERIt's hard to get enough light in but like you can do that. Then somebody first moment. I've ever wanted an artist card
52:34SPEAKERSo then somebody suggested that we do
52:37SPEAKERWe try to do the two slit experiment. Oh, wow, and I set that up. It took a little while and it didn't work
52:44SPEAKERAll right, it's too we get to we get two lines instead of four. Okay, and
52:48SPEAKERSomebody in chat was like right it's because they're simulating rays not waves. Oh, right. There's no waves when you're doing ray tracing
52:54SPEAKERIt's just straight lines. That's incredible. So, of course the two slit experiment doesn't work and fucking photons
53:00SPEAKERYeah, just photons man. But yeah, it was it was it's really like if you have an RTS card, you should definitely
53:07SPEAKERGo to the Windows Insider hub sign up for the minecraft bedrock RTX beta download it
53:13SPEAKERIt's got a lot of limitations you you can there are ways that you can build your own worlds using the new textures
53:18SPEAKERBut there's a process and you have to go to any video site that I'll hopefully remember to link in the show notes
53:24SPEAKERyou you
53:27SPEAKERCan't play on realms because it's a different version
53:30SPEAKERIt's a fork of the of the main minecraft and any worlds that you open in the RTX beta will not be able to be opened
53:37SPEAKERin
53:38SPEAKERnormal bedrock minecraft
53:40SPEAKERYou also can't have normal bedrock minecraft and the RTX beta on your system at the same time
53:45SPEAKERSo like I'm having to switch back and forth which is a little bit of a pain in the ass
53:48SPEAKERBut sure, not that big a deal. How's your performance?
53:51SPEAKERIs it wrong? I was so I was running 1080p because I was streaming and it was like
53:58SPEAKERSolid 60, okay much everywhere
54:01SPEAKERIt also they also do the good thing where you can press the semi-colon key and it switches back and forth between RTX and not
54:06SPEAKERRTX. Oh, wow, so you can see like the non luminance non shiny textures, which is really cool
54:11SPEAKERI am absolutely gonna go watch that stream. I want to see that. Yeah, the water stuff is really really cool
54:16SPEAKERIt is absolutely like they do refraction on the water in a way that like when you're above the surface of the water
54:22SPEAKERYou can see things they look bigger and as soon as you dip in just like in real water
54:27SPEAKERIt looks like the right size again. Oh, that's so great
54:30SPEAKERIt's also Brad when you're underneath the water if the lights right above
54:34SPEAKERThen it reflects the floor of the of the ocean
54:38SPEAKERRather than letting you see straight through to the sky like you get some transmissiveness and it's it is is is really well done
54:45SPEAKERIt is so exciting that those consoles have got you know
54:49SPEAKERCodified codified ray tracing hardware in them and once all games are capable of being designed around this like that's it's gonna be so great
54:57SPEAKERI mean we talked about this what this is like the third episode we did so it's half a year ago
55:01SPEAKERIt's been a while and back then I was still a little gun-shy on how long it was gonna take to roll this stuff out
55:07SPEAKERsince then we've seen control and this and
55:11SPEAKERLike I'm I'm really really excited about what's gonna happen with the next consoles
55:15SPEAKERbut yeah ray tracing I was gonna be I was I think I was a poor ambassador for this stuff because of the first like
55:21SPEAKERYear or something that the RTX stuff was out people were just like, ah, whatever. It's a little bit shinier
55:25SPEAKERLike who cares and I was just like no, you don't understand it's gonna be so awesome. It's just gonna take a while
55:29SPEAKERBut it's taking a lot less time than like if you look at like the dx8 transition to a programmable pipeline
55:35SPEAKERIt's taking way less time than that totally which is awesome. Totally. So yeah, so yeah, it seems neat
55:41SPEAKERLet's try it if you have an RTX card. Yeah
55:44SPEAKEROkay, I got one more. All right
55:47SPEAKEROver the last like three months the lights in my kitchen have been gradually going out one at a time
55:52SPEAKEROh like out out not redeeming
55:54SPEAKERWe're first dimming then kind of blinking on and off and then just stopped working start those LEDs by any chance
56:02SPEAKERIt's funny. You mentioned that Brad their first gen Cree floodlight bulbs are in sealing applications canister lights. Yeah
56:10SPEAKERThey were hooked up to a GE a first gen GE z-wave smart switch
56:16SPEAKERThat was the only for a long time the only switch on the market that worked with two wire lighting installs
56:22SPEAKERWhich is what my house has because we build in the 50s. So I
56:26SPEAKERWas like shit. I think this switch has finally died. It's like 10 years old. It's time to pop it. So I popped it out
56:30SPEAKERI ordered
56:32SPEAKERLutron has started making
56:34SPEAKERCasita I think it's how it's pronounced
56:37SPEAKERlight dimmers and switches
56:39SPEAKERThat are compatible with two wire installations, which just to be clear like two wire installations
56:43SPEAKERThis is everything built before the 90s pretty much. Is that I?
56:47SPEAKERWe're almost afraid to say this but is that power and ground so it's yes. Oh, so when you have a two wire situation
56:54SPEAKERit is like a loop between there's power coming in one side and
56:58SPEAKERthen that wire goes straight to the light and another wire comes straight back and goes back to the switch and
57:04SPEAKERWe're one of them does I guess both of them don't but when you flip the switch it closes that loop and when the switch
57:10SPEAKERIs closed that loop just doesn't exist. It's the standard old school wiring is what you're saying, right? Yeah
57:15SPEAKEROkay, like I know it's not my forte
57:17SPEAKERWell, the problem with smart switches is they need to have a little bit of power all the time and if they're not set up
57:22SPEAKERright
57:23SPEAKERThen then that doesn't work. Oh, yeah, cuz they need they need a connection active to receive commands, right?
57:29SPEAKERright and to be able to turn on so
57:32SPEAKERI thought that that switch would had died because it's been janky for a while and
57:36SPEAKERI ordered one of these Lutron's also because I wanted one of the Lutron's because they look really cool and
57:40SPEAKERI popped it in and didn't fix the problem. So I was like shit. Maybe the bulbs are dead
57:43SPEAKERI can't believe these bulbs are dead there. Maybe they're probably eight years old
57:47SPEAKERthey're on a lot because they're the kitchen lights and we use those those lights all the time and
57:52SPEAKERI got new lights in the other day and put them in and it's like the surface of the Sun
57:58SPEAKERlike
57:59SPEAKERHoly shit. Is that a good thing? Yeah, it's good
58:03SPEAKERThe I didn't I thought I thought I was just getting old and my eyes were getting worse and I was like having less light
58:09SPEAKERSensitivity but no, it's just half the bulbs in our house are ten years old and are starting to get dim
58:14SPEAKERThat was that was the insidious thing. I realized when we did that LED lighting episode was back. Yeah holidays
58:19SPEAKERI think once yeah, like once I did that that AB comparison of those Christmas lights that I had bought like yep
58:25SPEAKERIt's it's subtle and gradual enough that you're not gonna consciously notice like oh these lights are getting dimmer
58:30SPEAKERWhen is that? You know what? I mean? Like I think we talked about it's like you're not gonna know
58:34SPEAKERHey, it's time to replace these lights because they're still putting out light, you know, it's just it's gonna
58:38SPEAKERYour your lights are gas lighting you into thinking that you're either your eyes are going that happened to me
58:45SPEAKERIt can happen to you
58:47SPEAKERSo yeah. Anyway, I've replaced all of them. They're good
58:51SPEAKERthe one thing about those casitas if you go with those switches is they do have a bulb compatibility list and they
58:57SPEAKERThey disclaim the warranty on the switch if you don't use compatible bulbs. Okay, the the bulb compatibility list was enormous
59:05SPEAKERAnd I was able to find bulbs that I liked that were in the right, you know price range and all that stuff. So
59:11SPEAKERI mean, I guess ten years nine years on light bulbs isn't too bad eight years on light bulbs, whatever that's pretty good
59:18SPEAKERThose are also the first gen LED Cree floods. Like that was the very first one that they
59:26SPEAKERYeah, we've had pretty good luck with crease. I
59:29SPEAKERMost part I I find that they're pretty safe. Yeah, like like the G's and some of the other bigger
59:35SPEAKERLike more traditional light bulb brands. I've had to send some back because they were like they just didn't they didn't look right, right?
59:42SPEAKERBut the crease I know we're gonna look like a light bulb
59:44SPEAKERYeah
59:44SPEAKERThey were good and eight nine years is getting into that territory of like you actually saved you probably save plenty of money on electricity
59:51SPEAKERright, I
59:52SPEAKERwould hope so there's so the bulbs that I got our
59:55SPEAKERHundred watt equivalents that draw 16 watts. I think yeah, which is you know a fifth basically
1:00:03SPEAKERTime. Yeah, that's a long time. Yeah
1:00:05SPEAKERYeah, so the joys of small ownership
1:00:08SPEAKERBut but I mean props to the Lutron folks because that thing is that that thing is really cool
1:00:12SPEAKERYeah, and the fact that it works on all the switches means that I have a lot more options now
1:00:17SPEAKERThat's cool. I
1:00:19SPEAKERThink that's as good a place as any to wrap it up Brad. We've got a lot
1:00:21SPEAKERI mean we there there are multiple projects we didn't even get to on this list. So we've got
1:00:26SPEAKERAnother one in the future. Yeah, we're still just kind of sitting here in quarantine looking for things to tinker with
1:00:32SPEAKERI've got a laser project. I'm working on a robot that we'll talk about in the I think I'm gonna
1:00:37SPEAKERI think I'm gonna ask for some help from
1:00:40SPEAKERfolks in discord because I don't I'm I
1:00:42SPEAKERDon't want to buy 15 different motors to figure out what I need to do the thing that I need to do and I think there's
1:00:47SPEAKERPeople in there with that expertise. So don't give that robot self-awareness
1:00:51SPEAKERNo, no, no, never never just learn from the terminator
1:00:55SPEAKERPlease look first
1:00:57SPEAKERWe have to 3d print the guns and then we give the robots the guns
1:01:01SPEAKERAnd then we give them self-awareness for personal defense
1:01:04SPEAKERWell, just put a second amendment Brad put an algorithm that they can never turn the guns on human beings
1:01:08SPEAKERSo that the work perfectly yeah, that's yeah, those are foolproof right defend all life. Yeah, that's that's the way it's right
1:01:15SPEAKERServe the public trust as always thanks to our producer everybody who supports the patreon
1:01:21SPEAKEREspecially our executive producers David Allen and Andrew cotton. Thank you guys so much. Thank you ever. Thank you everybody and
1:01:26SPEAKEReverybody who is backing the patreon it is
1:01:29SPEAKERwonderful to see
1:01:32SPEAKERFascinating conversations every single day in the discord. Yeah, it's it's a fun place to hide
1:01:37SPEAKERI am just like not and I'm not trying to like goad people into supporting us
1:01:40SPEAKERI actually genuinely just think it's a super fun place to watch people talk tech
1:01:45SPEAKERWell, I think I think we were like and other stuff too
1:01:48SPEAKERLike we have a the food channel is booming where people are posting recipes and stuff. They're making
1:01:52SPEAKERWe have a lot of stuff going on in the maker
1:01:56SPEAKERLike the maker channel was about robots this week, which was awesome. I think we might make a robot channel
1:02:01SPEAKERand then
1:02:03SPEAKERthe
1:02:04SPEAKERThere's been some impromptu fruit swapping going on in video games. I guess Animal Crossing related
1:02:10SPEAKERAll sorts of other good stuffs you dropped something in there that we hadn't even discussed beforehand
1:02:15SPEAKERSo it was a surprise to me and I don't know if I might be playing with fire by mentioning it out loud
1:02:20SPEAKERBut you it was an idea for a supporter benefit. Oh
1:02:24SPEAKERBut I'm incredibly excited about I don't know if we should talk about it because it doesn't exist yet
1:02:29SPEAKERYou can like if you said you said the magic letters
1:02:32SPEAKERGo ahead and say it and then if people respond really positively that will be an impetus to get it going BBS
1:02:39SPEAKERboobs and I don't know what form that would I mean
1:02:42SPEAKERObviously that would be an over the internet form at this point and not an over telephone lines form
1:02:46SPEAKERAlthough if you want, yeah, I think we I think it would be something you SSH or telnet into or whatever
1:02:51SPEAKERGive you a reason to set up for phone lines in here then maybe we can look
1:02:57SPEAKERYou need a PBX software
1:02:58SPEAKERyou can run that in a free NAS in a in a in a disk in a container on your jail on your free NAS and
1:03:05SPEAKERknow that I think the thing we need is like I
1:03:09SPEAKERThink a BBS to run like some old BBS games and stuff on would be really weird
1:03:13SPEAKERPeople were talking about trade wars on there, which I was always intimidated by back in the day
1:03:16SPEAKERIt seemed really complicated to my trade wars like did like dope wars, but not would not with drugs. Maybe I'm inflating how
1:03:24SPEAKERLike the complexity of it
1:03:25SPEAKERBut in my 14 year old mind
1:03:27SPEAKERIt was like a very hardcore strategy game that like you had to check in on every day and that kind of thing
1:03:32SPEAKERSo I don't know but like I played a lot of legend of the red dragon and some of the other door games on look
1:03:36SPEAKERBBS is like that
1:03:38SPEAKERLook if you want to do that
1:03:39SPEAKERWe can just start a Neptune's pride game and do it for disco for subs
1:03:42SPEAKERPatreon members, and then we'll all hate each other at the end of a week put a permanent end to this podcast
1:03:48SPEAKERI can't imagine what modern BBS technology looks like if that even exists if people have like
1:03:53SPEAKERadded on to and create a new stuff over time, but I also just like the idea of making a time capsule like
1:03:59SPEAKER1993 BBS as well. So we yeah, we get your doom shareware there
1:04:03SPEAKERYeah, so we should we absolutely have to go on ftp.com and download the doom shareware. I put it on our BBS
1:04:10SPEAKERI am into this idea and if people like it, let us know either in the discord or send us Twitter messages at sweatpants tech and
1:04:18SPEAKERAnd we'll I'll see we'll see if we can make it happen. Yeah, it sounds really really goofy
1:04:24SPEAKERBut yeah, thanks for listening everybody. And yeah, thank you Brad. Yeah. Hope you're hope you're say wash your hands
1:04:29SPEAKERYes, if be well everyone
1:04:31SPEAKERYeah, everybody take care of yourself and we will see you all next week on another sweatpants neck pod
1:04:37SPEAKERNope, that's not the name of the show. It is now
1:04:40SPEAKERfuck