00:00SPEAKERBrad, how's Sheev Quest going?
00:01SPEAKERSheev Quest 2025 is proceeding a pace, in fact, like more than a pace.
00:07SPEAKERI'm pretty proud of, you want to know what level I am?
00:09SPEAKERI'm curious.
00:10SPEAKERWe're talking Fortnite here, to be clear.
00:13SPEAKERYeah.
00:14SPEAKERFortnite is having a summer of Star Wars.
00:16SPEAKERWhen I see Star Wars stuff coming into Destiny, I'm kind of like, huh, when I see Star Wars
00:21SPEAKERstuff coming into Fortnite, I'm a woohoo.
00:23SPEAKERRight.
00:24SPEAKERYeah.
00:25SPEAKERSo I made that exact point on the next Lantern Podcast this week.
00:27SPEAKERI hate Darth Vader in Destiny.
00:29SPEAKERYeah.
00:30SPEAKERMakes no sense.
00:31SPEAKERI love this stupid shit in Fortnite.
00:33SPEAKERAlso, I think I just play Fortnite now.
00:35SPEAKERI've been telling you this for a long time.
00:37SPEAKERFortnite is secretly the good one of the battle royales.
00:40SPEAKERPUBG has problems with management and sweaty population.
00:45SPEAKERWarzone's just not particularly fun, I don't think.
00:48SPEAKERApex has technical problems and is really, it's like Dota levels of complexity almost
00:54SPEAKERin a battle royale.
00:56SPEAKERFortnite is just fun.
00:57SPEAKERI just needed that one afternoon session with you last weekend where you kind of, you helped
01:01SPEAKERme get my feet wet and once I knew what was going on, I just kind of have been playing
01:05SPEAKERit for 20, 30 minutes a day, every day.
01:07SPEAKERAnd guess where it's brought me to?
01:09SPEAKERIt's honestly, my biggest complaint about Fortnite right now is that it takes like six
01:12SPEAKERminutes to start the game.
01:14SPEAKERYes.
01:15SPEAKERIt really, the downtime from match to match is a bit much.
01:18SPEAKERBut no, I mean just opening the game, clicking on it in the Epic store and it being like,
01:22SPEAKERoh, I'm going to load 16 different layers of anti-cheat and entitlements and stuff like
01:28SPEAKERthat.
01:29SPEAKERSo I actually, I started out on PC, but I've been doing most of my leveling on the PS5
01:33SPEAKERactually lately.
01:35SPEAKERWhich is like...
01:36SPEAKERYou just let auto aim, huh?
01:38SPEAKEREh.
01:39SPEAKERIs it, is the hopper, is it all just one hopper?
01:40SPEAKERAm I still seeing people from anywhere?
01:41SPEAKERI mean, I've been, I've gotten two Vicar royales on the PS5.
01:45SPEAKERI think, I think you have to opt in on the consoles to be cross play.
01:48SPEAKEROkay.
01:49SPEAKERYeah, it's, it's just all, all one big pool of players.
01:54SPEAKERThat's their secret.
01:55SPEAKERThat's just, it's nice to come home, especially come and talk about it after the intro music.
02:00SPEAKERYeah.
02:01SPEAKERHome from court every day.
02:02SPEAKERIt's nice to, it's nice to just flop on the couch and do my dailies in a relaxed posture,
02:07SPEAKERyou know?
02:08SPEAKERWell, so the thing about it is, and I said this years ago when we started talking about
02:12SPEAKERit, is I think that their team where, you know, PUBG was optimizing to be an e-sport
02:17SPEAKERfor a while and Warzone is trying to extract as much money from you with like James silent
02:21SPEAKERBob and Seth Rogan skins as they can.
02:24SPEAKERI mean, Fortnite definitely is extracting money from people with skins as well, but
02:29SPEAKERthey seem to make most of their game balance decisions to optimize for fun.
02:33SPEAKERAnd if it breaks the game for a little bit, that's fine because they changed the meta
02:36SPEAKERof the game and the weapons of the game so, so frequently that like the law, even if you
02:41SPEAKERdon't like the current meta of the game, you have like till the end of that season and
02:45SPEAKERthen it's going to all change and everything's going to be different again.
02:49SPEAKERSo it works out.
02:50SPEAKERI have been having fun with it.
02:51SPEAKERLike it's kind of exactly what you said.
02:53SPEAKERLike, especially when you get down to that, like tense last three to five players thing,
02:57SPEAKERlike I'm getting exactly that feeling of suspense and like creeping around and listening for
03:02SPEAKERevery sound, like exactly the thing you want out of the good tense battle royale.
03:06SPEAKERIt's like, Oh, this is, this is a real video game actually.
03:09SPEAKERAnd it has the same, it has the same thing that Austin Walker said about PUBG years and
03:13SPEAKERyears ago, which is that like solo, it's a horror game.
03:16SPEAKERI think Fortnite's a little bit less of a horror game because of just, it's kind of
03:19SPEAKERcartoony and goofy and you get back into the next game real fast.
03:22SPEAKERAlex calls it video game McDonald's.
03:24SPEAKERYeah.
03:25SPEAKERThat's kind of right.
03:26SPEAKERYeah.
03:27SPEAKERBut like in a duo, it's like a buddy road trip movie and in a squad, it's just a, it's
03:32SPEAKERjust, you know, it's a wacky, wacky you know, like summer comedy.
03:37SPEAKERSo okay.
03:38SPEAKERSo you didn't guess where I've gotten to though.
03:40SPEAKERI bet you're 33.
03:41SPEAKEROh man.
03:42SPEAKEROkay.
03:43SPEAKERI'm pretty happy.
03:44SPEAKERCause no, I'm not actually that far.
03:45SPEAKERI think I've been 26 or 27, but I was proud of that in a week as of this recording, it's
03:50SPEAKERbeen, it's been one week since I started playing and only like six days since you showed me
03:55SPEAKERwhat to do.
03:56SPEAKERAnd I've actually started making real progress.
03:57SPEAKERSo like, and where's she, what level is she 40?
04:00SPEAKERShe was 50.
04:01SPEAKERIs it, is it 50?
04:02SPEAKERYeah.
04:03SPEAKERShe was the final thing in the main battle pass.
04:05SPEAKERMy battle pass.
04:06SPEAKERSo I I'm, I'm leveling fast enough that I am now confident I'm going to get there.
04:09SPEAKERSo I went ahead and bought the battle pass last night.
04:12SPEAKERBut Palpatine said, I only need, the number of levels it said I needed would have only
04:15SPEAKERbrought me to like low forties.
04:17SPEAKERSo I haven't actually looked to see sometimes they, sometimes the last thing in the battle
04:21SPEAKERpass is you have to unlock everything else in the battle pass, which would make it level
04:24SPEAKER50.
04:26SPEAKERSometimes it's, you have to unlock everything on that page, but you can skip earlier pages.
04:31SPEAKERI see.
04:32SPEAKERSo it depends on how they say, I didn't pay attention to how they set up the season.
04:34SPEAKERAnd then there is also that bonus separate tier that's got like Republic Chancellor Palpatine
04:39SPEAKERwith the red robes.
04:40SPEAKERThose are Sith robes dog.
04:41SPEAKERHe's got Sith signs on them.
04:43SPEAKERAnyway.
04:44SPEAKERI'm secretly, I am secretly actually here for general Grievous, but you know, I mean,
04:48SPEAKERthat's what we're all at the end of the day.
04:49SPEAKERIt's Mace, Mace Windu and general Grievous are the, I want Darth Jar Jar.
04:53SPEAKERHe's coming to apparently, but yeah, so this is a short season.
04:57SPEAKERIt's like a month long.
04:58SPEAKERYeah.
04:59SPEAKERUsually they're level to a hundred to get the stuff in the main pass and it's 10 or
05:02SPEAKER12 or 14 pages, but it goes for like three months.
05:05SPEAKEROh, okay.
05:06SPEAKEROkay.
05:07SPEAKERYeah.
05:08SPEAKERWell so now that you're Fortnite pilled, you know, hit me up if you ever want a game, I'll
05:11SPEAKERplay with console people.
05:12SPEAKERI don't, I'm cool.
05:13SPEAKERWell, thanks.
05:14SPEAKERI mean, look, I'm enjoying my time with it and I will be very happy to get Palpatine.
05:18SPEAKERI'm pretty sure once I unlock all this stuff though, I may not touch this game for like
05:22SPEAKERanother year or something.
05:23SPEAKEROh, you know, she will be there waiting for you.
05:25SPEAKERThat's right.
05:26SPEAKERHe always is.
05:27SPEAKERWelcome to brand new tech.
05:55SPEAKERWelcome to Brad and Will made a tech pod.
05:57SPEAKERI'm Will.
05:58SPEAKERI'm Brad.
05:59SPEAKERHey Brad.
06:00SPEAKERIt's been a while since I've seen you.
06:01SPEAKERYou seem like you've been really busy.
06:02SPEAKERWhat's going on, man?
06:03SPEAKERYeah.
06:04SPEAKERHello.
06:05SPEAKERHi.
06:06SPEAKERUm, should we just get into it for people who don't listen to my other stuff?
06:09SPEAKERYeah.
06:10SPEAKERYeah.
06:11SPEAKERWe should explain, uh, the next couple of weeks are going to be a little bit weird for
06:14SPEAKERreasons that we can't get into full details, but I think you can say what you're doing.
06:18SPEAKERI can say what I'm doing.
06:19SPEAKERAnd by couple of weeks, you mean four weeks, three to four, I think was what I was told.
06:23SPEAKERI guess, uh, all those goofs about jury duty stopped being goofs.
06:28SPEAKERYeah.
06:29SPEAKERI have been in paneled.
06:30SPEAKEROh, I've never been in paneled before I, I, I have now.
06:35SPEAKERYeah.
06:36SPEAKERYeah.
06:37SPEAKERI'm I'm on a, I am, I am full on in a jury that's on a trial that's going to last up
06:41SPEAKERto four weeks.
06:42SPEAKERThank you for doing your civic duty.
06:43SPEAKERI don't think you're allowed to talk about anything else other than the fact that you
06:46SPEAKERhave to go down there like three or four days a week and it's kind of wreaking havoc on
06:49SPEAKERour schedules.
06:50SPEAKERIt really is.
06:51SPEAKERYeah.
06:52SPEAKERBut, uh, your patience is appreciated in the audience.
06:55SPEAKERThe next, I'd say the next like two to three episodes are going to be a little looser if
07:00SPEAKERthat's okay.
07:01SPEAKERI mean, it's going to have to be okay.
07:02SPEAKERYeah.
07:03SPEAKERWe don't have, we do not have nearly as much time to put things together while this is
07:06SPEAKERgoing on.
07:07SPEAKERSo we're, we're going to be a little more grab baggy, a little more patron episode-esque.
07:11SPEAKERIt turns out a lot of what makes this podcast work is that we both have fairly non-traditional
07:15SPEAKERschedules and thus we're able to record at like eight o'clock in the morning or, you
07:21SPEAKERknow, at times when, when most people will be going to the office.
07:23SPEAKERYes.
07:24SPEAKERSo anyway.
07:25SPEAKERAnd also like the, you know, being home all the time and having like buckets of recording
07:30SPEAKERand stuff, you know, I have time in between those things to tinker with stuff that we
07:33SPEAKERwill then or read about things that we will then go on to talk about on this podcast.
07:37SPEAKERBut when it's, when I'm just out of the house and in a courtroom from about eight in the
07:41SPEAKERmorning until like five or six in the evening, the research time is very limited.
07:46SPEAKERYou know what I mean?
07:47SPEAKERYou need a handheld, some handheld gaming devices that you can take for those breaks
07:51SPEAKERand just that can be your project.
07:53SPEAKERI guess so.
07:54SPEAKERThey should be here just in time for the trial to be over and need to be free again.
07:57SPEAKERYup.
07:58SPEAKERYup.
07:59SPEAKERAnyway, that's, that's what's going on right now.
08:01SPEAKERAlso I'm, I've picked, I picked up illness at the courthouse already.
08:04SPEAKERIf you can't, if you can't, if you can't hear it in my voice, so this week is going to be
08:09SPEAKERextra loose.
08:10SPEAKERApologies for that.
08:11SPEAKERWe sound pretty good today actually, but I think yesterday judging by your messages,
08:14SPEAKERyou sounded pretty puny.
08:15SPEAKERYesterday, yesterday was rough today.
08:17SPEAKERI'm doing a little bit better.
08:19SPEAKERI, I was wondering is, is the whole, is the whole thing about your immune system atrophying
08:24SPEAKERif you don't expose yourself to pathogens on a regular basis, is that true things that
08:27SPEAKERis that real?
08:28SPEAKERLike that's the common wisdom, but I don't know if that's actually like scientifically
08:31SPEAKERsupported.
08:32SPEAKERI will tell you that when my daughter went to elementary school, we spent the next like
08:35SPEAKER18 months sick all the time.
08:38SPEAKERAnd it was because she hadn't like her preschool was all outside, so she was pretty lightly
08:42SPEAKERexposed to stuff there.
08:43SPEAKEROh, I see what you're saying.
08:44SPEAKERAnd when she was around 20 other children for the first time, it was, it was like a
08:49SPEAKERfestering hell stew of bacteria and viruses and like just constantly oozing out of her.
08:55SPEAKERYes.
08:56SPEAKERLike I, I haven't been sick in years, like literal years.
08:58SPEAKERYou don't leave the house.
08:59SPEAKERThat's exactly what I'm saying.
09:00SPEAKERAnd then the last time I was sick was COVID.
09:02SPEAKERSo that was like a kind of a unique situation or, you know, COVID is a thing you can get
09:05SPEAKERjust by being in a room with it.
09:07SPEAKERRight.
09:08SPEAKERBut like I haven't had a regular cold flu type thing and I could not tell you how many
09:11SPEAKERyears and like you said, it's like, I've been sitting in this room by myself for five years,
09:15SPEAKERbut I really, I really did wonder like, does your immune system actually become less effective?
09:20SPEAKERLike are you actually more susceptible to getting sick?
09:22SPEAKERBecause sure enough, like two, three days in that courthouse and I started feeling it.
09:27SPEAKERYeah.
09:28SPEAKERI mean, look, that's just justice, man.
09:30SPEAKERI guess so.
09:32SPEAKERSo what are we doing today?
09:33SPEAKERWe have, you alluded to this, we're going to do a grab bag episode of the things we're
09:38SPEAKERworking on, things that we've been doing, things that we have to figure out.
09:42SPEAKERIt's kind of like what our patron episodes often are.
09:45SPEAKERAnd some of these may turn into like more fully fledged episodes in the future.
09:48SPEAKERAt least one of them will, maybe two even.
09:51SPEAKERBut yeah, you want to, you want to jump, we can jump into the thing I've been working
09:55SPEAKERon.
09:56SPEAKERSo I have a couple of PC world projects that have been really fun to figure out.
10:00SPEAKEROne of them, the video is not done yet, so I'll just, I'll just tell you what it is and
10:04SPEAKERthen we can talk about it when the video is done.
10:06SPEAKERI'm going to do a tease, but I benchmarked a clean version of windows, a clean install
10:11SPEAKERof windows and a dirty like year old install of windows on the, on the exact same hardware
10:16SPEAKERand change CPU's throughout the, like tried a couple of different CPU's with that, with
10:20SPEAKERthat exact same config to see what the performance differences were in the results were fascinating.
10:26SPEAKEROkay.
10:27SPEAKERI'm very excited to hear how that goes because I've always wondered about that sort of thing.
10:31SPEAKERWere they all CPU's of the same make?
10:35SPEAKERSo I tried, I tested a 9800X3D and a 9950X3D.
10:39SPEAKERSo you didn't mix Intel and AMD on the same, the same windows install?
10:42SPEAKERNo, no, no, no.
10:43SPEAKEROkay.
10:44SPEAKERSo this was, that would be really interesting.
10:46SPEAKERSo I've done that before by doing the thing where you open up device manager and show
10:49SPEAKERthe hidden stuff and then delete all the Intel stuff once you have the new machine running.
10:53SPEAKERIn fact, actually my daughter's computer has been running like that for like four years
10:58SPEAKERnow with like shockingly few problems.
11:02SPEAKERYeah.
11:05SPEAKERThe big thing for me was I installed windows on this machine last April, I think when I
11:10SPEAKERgot a 7800X3D, I did some 7800X3D, 9800X3D tests earlier this year to see if there was
11:16SPEAKERa noticeable difference in games and stuff like that.
11:20SPEAKERAnd then for another video that'll come much later, cause we haven't even shot it yet.
11:25SPEAKERI tested the 9950 versus the 9800 just to see if having more like, see what the impact
11:32SPEAKERof having more cores is for like the kind of workloads I use.
11:36SPEAKERAnd yeah, so the results on that were interesting.
11:38SPEAKERThe thing that I posted yesterday though, I'm really stoked about and you'll like this.
11:41SPEAKERYeah.
11:42SPEAKERBefore, before you get into that, let me ask, did you, did you go out of your way to further
11:45SPEAKERlike synthetically filth up the dirty windows or did you just take it exactly as you had
11:50SPEAKERbeen using it?
11:51SPEAKERIt was all organic, just, just windows that I've used without thinking about maintaining,
11:57SPEAKERlike there's a bunch of crap, like, like, look, there's probably 15 different zoom clients
12:03SPEAKERinstalled.
12:04SPEAKERI got teams running.
12:05SPEAKERI've got Intel unison, like it's a power toys, everything.
12:09SPEAKERIt's all the crap we talk about on the, on the podcast just, and I left it all running
12:14SPEAKERin the background while I was doing these benchmarks because I wanted like a, you know,
12:18SPEAKERthe pure clean install versus the dirty install.
12:20SPEAKERNow I did do it on a 64 gig machine because that's what I run because of unreal had being
12:26SPEAKERa kind of a horse.
12:28SPEAKERSo that could have some, that could have had an impact as well.
12:30SPEAKERI think at some point I'll probably go back and redo some of these tests with 32 gigs
12:37SPEAKERto see if there's a, it makes a difference.
12:39SPEAKERI feel like I see a lot more people talking about having 64 these days.
12:42SPEAKERI mean, it's not like strictly necessary for most people, but also the prices have gotten
12:46SPEAKERsuch that it's not like totally extravagant to do so.
12:50SPEAKERWell yeah, 64 gig, a 64 gig DDR five 6,000 it, well, okay.
12:57SPEAKERWhen I bought this one, it was not expensive.
13:01SPEAKERI distinctly remember thinking, Oh, this isn't expensive.
13:04SPEAKERNow they're 200 bucks.
13:05SPEAKERSo that's up a little bit from where I bought.
13:07SPEAKEROh gosh.
13:08SPEAKERThere's some, Oh, these are DDR four.
13:09SPEAKERI'm sorry.
13:10SPEAKERYou can get DDR four 64 game for like 90 bucks, but yeah, but those are, those are going to
13:14SPEAKERbe like 50, 300 or something.
13:16SPEAKERProbably.
13:17SPEAKERSorry.
13:18SPEAKERThat's just the first thing that came up.
13:19SPEAKEROkay.
13:20SPEAKERLike the cheapest DDR Corsair, DDR five with this engines kit is two by 32 is 156.
13:26SPEAKERSo it's like, yeah, 64 is getting there.
13:29SPEAKERBut so if you're running a higher end CPU, I would probably do the 6,000 MT.
13:33SPEAKERYeah.
13:34SPEAKERMega transfers.
13:35SPEAKEROkay.
13:36SPEAKERAnyway, so the other project, the other project, which I'm really stoked about and came out
13:41SPEAKERquite well is I got early access to doom and video sent me a code to test it out.
13:49SPEAKERAnd, and to spend some time with it.
13:51SPEAKERAnd I, instead of playing the game like a normal human being, I was like, why do doom
13:55SPEAKERgames always feel fast?
13:57SPEAKERAnd then I started coming up to testing, running different kinds of benchmarks on doom and
14:01SPEAKERother games to figure out like, to see if I could just see if I could like measure microstutter
14:09SPEAKERin a meaningful way that would let me demonstrate because fundamentally the problem was showing
14:14SPEAKERmicrostutter on a YouTube video is that you are running a game at 120 or 130 frames a
14:19SPEAKERsecond or 200 frames a second, it sags down to 100 frames a second.
14:23SPEAKERAnd then you take that capture and you munch it through premiere or DaVinci resolve, and
14:28SPEAKERyou turn it into a 60 Hertz 4k video for YouTube.
14:32SPEAKERAnd none of the stutter is apparent because it all gets smoothed out in the transition
14:35SPEAKERfrom 60 plus Hertz to 60 Hertz on the, on the YouTube video.
14:40SPEAKERSo I ran this thing called frame view, which we've talked about before off and on, it's
14:44SPEAKERa, it's an Nvidia tool that measures the length of time each frame takes to render and in
14:51SPEAKERmilliseconds and then tracks that and you get a giant, if you like run it for a minute,
14:56SPEAKERyou get a CSV with thousands of entries for each frame.
15:00SPEAKERSo you can do things like see what the average, get the distribution of frames, right.
15:07SPEAKEROf frame time.
15:08SPEAKERYou can see what the 1% fastest frames are, you can see what the 1% slowest frame rate
15:12SPEAKERframes are all this stuff.
15:14SPEAKERYou can also do something really neat, which is compare the Delta from one frame to the
15:21SPEAKERnext in rendering time.
15:23SPEAKERSo, and there's a tool called cap frame X that does this that you feed these frame view
15:29SPEAKERoutputs in, and it just generates a whole bunch of nifty graphics.
15:32SPEAKERAnd then you can extrapolate some more information from there.
15:35SPEAKERAnd the thing that was fascinating is I tested, so I tested doom.
15:39SPEAKERI tested oblivion.
15:40SPEAKERI tested Fortnite.
15:41SPEAKERI tested Rocket League.
15:43SPEAKERAnd I tested Call of Duty was the other one.
15:46SPEAKERYeah.
15:47SPEAKERYeah.
15:48SPEAKERAnd most of those games had, they all were 80% except for oblivion were like 80% or higher
15:58SPEAKERframes within two milliseconds of each other.
16:00SPEAKERRight.
16:01SPEAKERSo the, so the, the variance from one frame to the next was less than two milliseconds
16:04SPEAKERfor the vast majority of frames now, doom, the difference between doom, the dark ages,
16:09SPEAKERwhich is out on Tuesday, thanks Nvidia and Bethesda.
16:14SPEAKERThe difference between frames, 99% of the frames were less than two milliseconds Delta
16:18SPEAKERbetween them.
16:20SPEAKERAnd I think that that was the big telling thing because like Fortnite, which is a stuttery
16:25SPEAKERgame on occasion, as, as I think you're probably aware now on the PS5, okay, fair.
16:34SPEAKERSo with, with, with Fortnite you'd see a Delta from like the, the average frame rate to the
16:39SPEAKER1% lows was like half.
16:42SPEAKERSo like it was a 300, 300 frames per second average on my machine.
16:46SPEAKERAnd it sags down to 150 for the 1% lows.
16:50SPEAKERAnd you, and you feel that that's the thing you feel when somebody comes into frame of
16:52SPEAKERview or whatever, even when the lows are still, I mean that 150 is still higher than my monitor
16:58SPEAKERcan even refresh.
16:59SPEAKERSo, so this is the, this is the thing that shocked me.
17:02SPEAKERI think it was outlaws last year when I was playing that, that game was showing average
17:07SPEAKERframe rates that were pretty high, like 200 in some cases, if you turn ray tracing a little
17:11SPEAKERbit down and, or I guess it was playing at 10 AP at the time, anyway, it doesn't matter.
17:17SPEAKERIt felt chunky and messy because the 1% lows were so, so low.
17:23SPEAKERAnd when I ran outlaws through this process, you saw it cause the, cause the, the spikes
17:27SPEAKERwere incredibly high.
17:29SPEAKERLike like you were seeing frame times that were taking three times as long or four times
17:33SPEAKERas long as the next, as the previous frame.
17:36SPEAKERAnd like you're basically, we came up with a way to visualize micro stutter in a way
17:41SPEAKERthat's meaningful and repeatable.
17:45SPEAKERAnd so then I took the graph that you laid that you get with that and I synced up the
17:50SPEAKERdisplay of that graph with the video clips that I captured at the same time I was doing
17:54SPEAKERthe frame capture.
17:56SPEAKERSo when you're playing the video, you're seeing the frames come across and you're getting
18:00SPEAKERa representation of the frame time for maybe not exactly, but more or less those frames,
18:05SPEAKERlike within a couple of frames on either side.
18:07SPEAKERSo like in the Doom example, the one that I picked, you turned a corner and you see
18:12SPEAKERthis big portal with a demon head thing in it.
18:15SPEAKERAnd it's the only spike on the whole, on the whole one minute sample, right?
18:18SPEAKERAnd it's when I believe it's probably when the shader that runs the transparent forcefield
18:24SPEAKERlooking thing in front of this big Doom, this demon head pops up.
18:28SPEAKEROn Oblivion Call of Duty, you see huge frame spikes when the UI loads, which is fine because
18:32SPEAKERlike the UI is loading.
18:33SPEAKERIt doesn't matter if the frame rate goes to shit because the game's in the background,
18:36SPEAKERbut like it's interesting because it's, it was representative of the, of the what's going
18:42SPEAKERon in the actual sequence and you can see where they sync up.
18:45SPEAKERFortnite, you saw lags when other characters came into view, which was, which was interesting.
18:50SPEAKEREven if you preload all that, like I have Fortnite set to preload all the assets.
18:53SPEAKERSo like every skin that you can buy is pre-cached on my computer.
18:57SPEAKERIt's like 50 gigs of skins.
18:59SPEAKERRight?
19:00SPEAKERYeah, it is.
19:01SPEAKERAnd I went through the shop yesterday and good God, man.
19:04SPEAKERAre you, have you, have you bought anything besides the pass yet?
19:07SPEAKERNo, I am not spending, I had enough V-Bucks to just buy the battle pass.
19:10SPEAKERSorry to just turn this into a Fortnite podcast.
19:12SPEAKERI don't know where I have, I have like 1300 V-Bucks, I don't know why.
19:15SPEAKERMaybe from Rocket League?
19:16SPEAKEROh, maybe so.
19:17SPEAKERAnd you earn a few, right?
19:19SPEAKERDon't you earn a few from the...
19:21SPEAKERYou earn enough with the battle pass to buy the next battle pass.
19:24SPEAKEROh, interesting.
19:25SPEAKEROkay.
19:26SPEAKERAnyway.
19:27SPEAKERI thumbed through the store just to see kind of some of the models and there is a lot of
19:30SPEAKERgarbage in there.
19:31SPEAKERAnyway, proceed.
19:32SPEAKERYeah.
19:33SPEAKERSo anyway, it's interesting because it gives you a visual representation of frame lag and
19:37SPEAKERit lets you see, like I was talking to some game developer friends yesterday after I posted
19:40SPEAKERthe video and they were like, "Hey, can you tell me how you did this?
19:43SPEAKERCause I want to be able to do this when we're having, when we're doing perf profiling and,
19:48SPEAKERand like, I, I'm, the next step is to connect perfmon up to it, which is an Intel tool.
19:53SPEAKERAnd I believe I can export the same kind of frame data out of there.
19:57SPEAKEREven if I can't, I can use frame view to do the frame data and then tie it to perfmon
20:02SPEAKERrecording that they start at the same time.
20:04SPEAKERYeah.
20:05SPEAKERI was going to, I was going to ask for the end user.
20:06SPEAKERI mean, obviously seeing this stuff is educational.
20:07SPEAKERYou can like, you can look at the graph against the footage and say like, Oh, that's, that's
20:11SPEAKERwhy that, that may be why it spiked.
20:12SPEAKERI can see that thing came into view and that's probably why this hitched for a second there.
20:16SPEAKERBut is there anything actionable about the data?
20:18SPEAKERLike, is there anything you can use or you can, can you take this and go like intervene
20:23SPEAKERto smooth things out?
20:24SPEAKERI don't know.
20:25SPEAKERI was talking to folks in the PC world discord about this.
20:27SPEAKERI think the next thing I'm going to do is do a, here's how to test micro stutter on
20:33SPEAKERyour machine.
20:34SPEAKERCause everybody's computers are a little bit different, you know, different video cards,
20:36SPEAKERdifferent CPUs, different memory are all going to have an impact.
20:39SPEAKERDifferent stuff installed, like you said, with who knows what else is running in your
20:43SPEAKERwindows.
20:44SPEAKERYeah.
20:45SPEAKERAnd then your Linux for that matter.
20:46SPEAKERLet's not get crazy.
20:47SPEAKERI don't know if frame view runs on Linux, probably, probably not.
20:51SPEAKERBut the point is you can then test settings inside a game to see what actually minimizes
20:56SPEAKERyour microstutter.
20:57SPEAKEROnce you have a way to visualize it, then you can, you can tune your settings to get
21:01SPEAKERsomething that minimizes your, and one of the first things I did was actually lock the
21:05SPEAKERframe rate in Fortnite to just over what I'm seeing is the minimum 1% and it already felt
21:10SPEAKERan incredible mouse smoother.
21:12SPEAKERSo yeah, high averages, better than, better than equal 1%.
21:17SPEAKERI have to run the frame views on that to see what actually ended up happening.
21:20SPEAKERBut yeah, so it was first, first dip into this, I think we'll probably do more.
21:25SPEAKERBut it was, it was fun and I learned a lot and I'd love people have questions about it.
21:28SPEAKERPlease send them to me in the discord or, or post on the comments on the YouTube video.
21:32SPEAKERWe'll put the, put the link in the description that you said that video is up now.
21:35SPEAKERIt's up.
21:36SPEAKERYep.
21:37SPEAKERIt went up the doom embargo yesterday.
21:38SPEAKERI watched it.
21:39SPEAKERIt was nice to, nice to see that visualization, nice to have data like visual data to go against
21:45SPEAKERthe footage.
21:46SPEAKERIt, it was, it was fun.
21:47SPEAKERYeah.
21:48SPEAKERLike having, having the visual, presenting the data.
21:52SPEAKERThe other thing somebody had asked me to do is to do a four year, four, four yay, four
21:55SPEAKERyear transform.
21:56SPEAKERI know you say that on the frequency distribution so you can see where like, so it gives you
22:03SPEAKERa better view into the, into the, the basically the distribution of the, of the different
22:10SPEAKERframe times.
22:11SPEAKERSo Brad, I heard your receiver is, are we still receiver buddies?
22:17SPEAKERDo you still have the same receiver that you had 10 years ago?
22:19SPEAKERYes.
22:20SPEAKERSony one.
22:21SPEAKEROh wait, I forgot.
22:22SPEAKERYou didn't.
22:23SPEAKERYours is not quite the same model as mine, but close, right?
22:25SPEAKERNo, we bought exactly the same one.
22:26SPEAKERThe 840?
22:27SPEAKERYeah.
22:28SPEAKEROh, that's all good.
22:29SPEAKERHang on.
22:30SPEAKERAnd I see here in the notes, your receiver screen does not work.
22:33SPEAKERMy receiver screen stopped working about a year ago.
22:35SPEAKERI talked, we talked a little bit then.
22:37SPEAKERYeah.
22:38SPEAKERWe've talked about this.
22:39SPEAKERMy screen also stopped working and I had it fixed at a local repair shop for a hundred
22:42SPEAKERbucks.
22:43SPEAKEROh, that's more than I'm going to spend?
22:44SPEAKERYeah.
22:45SPEAKERAt this point it's way too old to sync.
22:46SPEAKERThis was years ago.
22:47SPEAKERMy, my screen started blinking out like a year after I got it or something.
22:52SPEAKEROh, see mine, mine.
22:53SPEAKERSo mine lives in a cabinet.
22:54SPEAKERSo I didn't realize it had conked out until my daughter was like, does this have a screen?
22:58SPEAKERI was like, yeah, it has a screen.
23:00SPEAKERAnd she was like, it doesn't.
23:01SPEAKERI don't think it has a screen, dad.
23:02SPEAKERI was like, Oh, you must press the button that turns it off.
23:04SPEAKERIt was like, no, it's just the, the 10 years of whatever the cold cathode tubes or whatever
23:09SPEAKERis in there.
23:10SPEAKERYeah.
23:11SPEAKERI might, I might be done with Sony receivers after this experience.
23:13SPEAKERLike, I mean, it lasted 10 years, but again, my, the screen on mine, like I said, within
23:19SPEAKERlike a year or two of buying it started crapping out, like I had it fixed probably seven years
23:23SPEAKERago or more.
23:25SPEAKEROkay.
23:26SPEAKERLike the point is it's like an endemic like quality control issue or build quality issue.
23:31SPEAKERLike I have, I have pretty low tolerance for like shoddy manufacturing on stuff, or that's
23:36SPEAKERlike a, like I'm, you know, I'm having problems with this preprocessor, this DBX that are
23:40SPEAKERpretty common to the model it seems.
23:42SPEAKERAnd that's the, that is, I have zero tolerance for that kind of thing.
23:46SPEAKERLike if you're, if you're just going to poorly make your product to the point that like,
23:50SPEAKERthere's a high probability you're going to run into these problems because you just didn't
23:53SPEAKERlike you, you did not spring for the good solder or whatever.
23:56SPEAKERLike no, thank you.
23:57SPEAKERThis is why I don't I don't use focus, right.
24:00SPEAKERAudio interfaces anymore.
24:01SPEAKERCause they traditionally have really terrible windows problems.
24:04SPEAKERMy receiver starting to sound weird.
24:06SPEAKEROh, I don't have that.
24:07SPEAKERAnd I was talking to some people on the discord about it and like, it's this is, this is increasingly
24:13SPEAKERbeen watching.
24:14SPEAKERIt's a lot of TV this spring and it's increasingly been in revealing itself as we have watched
24:17SPEAKERlike Shogun and Severance and it's kind of really jacking up our and or run right now.
24:24SPEAKEROh no.
24:25SPEAKERIt's just, it's just like really, it's subtle like my girlfriend really doesn't hear it,
24:29SPEAKERbut I did it's like nails on a chalkboard to me.
24:32SPEAKERIt's just like this subtle high pitched, like sort of screeching kind of, it's like distortion
24:38SPEAKERwhen the audio gets pretty loud, like you can just hear a really high pitched like screech.
24:42SPEAKERThat's not good.
24:44SPEAKERAnd the consensus on the discords seem to be that like, you know, this is, I've had
24:47SPEAKERthis thing for 11 years.
24:48SPEAKERLike the electronics might actually just be going at this point.
24:52SPEAKERLike it just might need new capacitors or something.
24:54SPEAKERI mean, look, stuff does, stuff does wear out over time, right?
24:58SPEAKEROf course.
24:59SPEAKERAbsolutely.
25:00SPEAKERLike I, the, the bigger question though is, and I have opened this thing up myself before
25:04SPEAKERfor reasons I can't remember, it might've been related to the screen not working, but
25:07SPEAKERthe question is, is it actually worth trying to fix at this point?
25:13SPEAKERProbably not.
25:14SPEAKERWell, the question for me is like, do you still have your channels hooked up?
25:18SPEAKERNo, I've got, that's a whole other topic.
25:20SPEAKERI've, I've got two speakers, like I've, I've got a 2.0 set up.
25:23SPEAKERSo like in some sense, like any amount of receiver is almost too much for me.
25:27SPEAKERLike, like that's where I'm at too, because we've, we've talked about this a lot and I
25:32SPEAKERthink we're just going to buy a soundbar next time.
25:34SPEAKERYeah, I can get that.
25:35SPEAKERI mean, the, the biggest reason I like a receiver is to multiply HDMI ports at this point and
25:40SPEAKERto drive speakers.
25:41SPEAKERI mean, I need something to drive speakers and I need something ideally to add more HDMI
25:46SPEAKERports.
25:47SPEAKERSo you still play games.
25:48SPEAKERSo, so my consoles are all plugged into the PC in my office because like the contention
25:51SPEAKERfor the TV is high.
25:53SPEAKERRight.
25:54SPEAKERSo I know I've got, ideally at a minimum, ideally I'm going to have an Xbox PS5.
26:00SPEAKERLike it would be nice to have a hookup for a PC, although I don't have a PC in there
26:02SPEAKERcurrently.
26:03SPEAKERSwitch 2 presumably.
26:04SPEAKERI would like to, and a Switch 2.
26:05SPEAKERYeah.
26:06SPEAKERAnd, and so this will, this is very much going to get to the next topic on my list here,
26:10SPEAKERwhich is also TV related.
26:12SPEAKERProbably going to get an Apple TV or something similar.
26:14SPEAKERIt'll probably be an Apple TV.
26:15SPEAKERI'm going to go and tell you, I, I am a strong advocate for the Apple TV.
26:20SPEAKERIt's I think it's so it's funny.
26:22SPEAKERI realized the other day, cause I was playing and the kiddo felt bad and we were laying
26:26SPEAKERin our bedroom watching TV back there, which has an older Apple TV plugged into it.
26:31SPEAKERAnd I realized that I didn't know how to change the volume on that TV anymore cause I almost
26:34SPEAKERalways just use it with headphones in and, and that process of using headphones on it
26:39SPEAKERis so seamless that like you don't, and the big, the other big benefits, they don't track
26:44SPEAKERstuff, right?
26:45SPEAKERLike the, the amount of data that comes off of a Roku these days is remarkable.
26:51SPEAKERThere is one device that consistently triggers like an alarm in my pie hole dashboard and
26:55SPEAKERit's the Roku.
26:56SPEAKERYeah.
26:57SPEAKERI got rid of my Roku because of that.
26:58SPEAKERThe Roku gets rate limited a lot by the pie or not rate limited, but it throws a flag
27:04SPEAKERsaying like, Hey, this device is like really trying to contact something constantly.
27:08SPEAKERYeah.
27:09SPEAKERAnd, and so the Apple TV doesn't do that stuff, which is really nice.
27:12SPEAKERYeah.
27:13SPEAKERSo I'll, I'll, so I'll, I'll get to the Apple TV thing in a second, but just to finish on
27:16SPEAKERthe receiver the consensus, and this was like six in the morning before I was about to leave
27:21SPEAKERfor the courthouse one morning this week, so I didn't have time to get too deep into
27:25SPEAKERit.
27:26SPEAKERBut the consensus talking to people in the discord was that an oscilloscope might reveal
27:29SPEAKERthe problem with the receiver.
27:31SPEAKERAnd that made me realize that I don't actually even know how an oscilloscope would interface
27:35SPEAKERwith something like that.
27:36SPEAKERAre there, are there leads that you hook up to like?
27:40SPEAKERYeah.
27:41SPEAKERYou connected, you connected to certain, you, you, the service manual tells you where to
27:44SPEAKERconnect it.
27:45SPEAKERAnd it tells you what shape the curve should be.
27:47SPEAKEROh, is there like a dial, like a standard diagnostic port or, or diagnostic contact,
27:52SPEAKERor are you hooking it up to each capacitor?
27:54SPEAKERLike, I guess, I guess let me step back and say, I barely know what an oscilloscope is
27:58SPEAKEReven measuring other than like what signal integrity or something.
28:00SPEAKERYeah.
28:01SPEAKERIt shows you the signal, right?
28:02SPEAKERIt lets you visualize the signal that's going across a wire.
28:05SPEAKERSo you connect it to like pin three and pin seven on an EPROM or the two leads on a capacitor
28:11SPEAKERor whatever.
28:12SPEAKERYeah.
28:13SPEAKEROkay.
28:14SPEAKERAnd like, you want it to be square or sign shaped or cosine shaped or, you know, whatever.
28:20SPEAKERSo, but like, I think troubleshooting something with an oscilloscope is a, is a skill, is
28:29SPEAKERa skill job.
28:30SPEAKERI mean, look, flea markets next weekend, there's always oscilloscopes for sale down there.
28:37SPEAKERYou know, you could, you could get an oscilloscope, get three, come back with three oscilloscopes,
28:41SPEAKERbe good to go.
28:42SPEAKERNow we're talking.
28:43SPEAKERYeah.
28:44SPEAKERWhat the kids crave.
28:45SPEAKEROscilloscopes.
28:46SPEAKERYeah.
28:47SPEAKERLooking around a little bit.
28:48SPEAKERLike there's a, there's a Denon receiver that's like 400 bucks that pretty much meets my needs.
28:52SPEAKERLike if this really, the bigger, the bigger thing is isolating the problem and saying,
28:55SPEAKERyes, it's definitely the receiver that's causing the problem because I don't want to, I don't
28:59SPEAKERwant to replace that box and then find out the problem is still there because it was
29:02SPEAKERactually something else, but it seems like the receiver is the most likely culprit.
29:05SPEAKERBut if it is opening that thing up and trying to fix it seems like probably a fool's errand
29:10SPEAKERat this point for an 11 year old receiver, when I could just buy a new one that's got
29:14SPEAKERmore modern features.
29:16SPEAKERI mean, just because you're using as an HDMI multiplexer, the, the version of HDMI on that
29:22SPEAKERreceiver is going to be your problem.
29:24SPEAKERLike you can't plug the PS5 and the Xbox series in there.
29:28SPEAKERYeah.
29:29SPEAKERSo the, the, the two, those two consoles go into straight into the TV cause I've only
29:32SPEAKERgot two 2.1 ports on the TV.
29:34SPEAKERAnd so those, anytime I run the cable down the hall from the PC, I have to unplug one
29:37SPEAKERof the consoles.
29:38SPEAKERYeah.
29:39SPEAKERAnd I have to recycle on those HDMI cables too.
29:42SPEAKERYes.
29:43SPEAKERBut anyway, I probably come to replace it.
29:46SPEAKERIt's a bummer to me that no soundbars have multiple HDMI ports or alternately I would
29:52SPEAKERlike, the, the, the thing that has kept me from doing this is that I can't find a soundbar
29:56SPEAKERthat has multiple HDMI, enough HDMI, as many HDMI ports as I want.
29:59SPEAKERWhat I really want is one for the Apple TV, one for the Switch and or Steam Deck and one
30:07SPEAKERfor Steam Deck dock, I guess, technically.
30:10SPEAKERAnd then an extra one for the times that I do drag the PS5 into the living room to play
30:14SPEAKERa game with the kiddo or something.
30:17SPEAKERAnd like, nobody has three, everybody has two or maybe just one.
30:21SPEAKERYeah.
30:22SPEAKERSo yeah, it almost feels like there's a segment of the market that is underserved in AV and
30:26SPEAKERliving room AV.
30:27SPEAKERI mean, like it's almost certainly, I'm trying to, I'm trying to figure out what that even
30:31SPEAKERis though.
30:32SPEAKERIs it like a basic speaker amp or, you know, basic amp for like some number of speakers?
30:37SPEAKERLike, I mean, honestly, I'm trying to think what's, what is not being served by the receiver
30:42SPEAKERmarket already or the soundbar market.
30:43SPEAKERThere's like, there's like some combination of like, I need like a couple extra ports
30:46SPEAKERand like two speakers or two speakers in a subwoofer or something like that.
30:50SPEAKERI mean, honestly, an HDMI switch that, that worked with the consumer, with the CEC stuff
30:56SPEAKERwould be fine or ARC, eARC, whatever would be, would be fine too, probably.
31:00SPEAKERRight.
31:01SPEAKERBut I don't, I don't know that those exist.
31:04SPEAKERI haven't looked for them in a while, but it's a weird space.
31:08SPEAKERYeah.
31:09SPEAKERThat interference or that distortion could not be speaker related, could it?
31:13SPEAKERIt could be something on the wire between your speakers because that's an analog wire.
31:19SPEAKERIt's not really well shielded.
31:20SPEAKERYeah.
31:21SPEAKERI mean, I haven't, I haven't touched anything in the setup in like years, you know, so it's
31:24SPEAKERlike, but, but the, like the speaker wire I believe is from before I moved out here,
31:27SPEAKERit's like 20, like 25 years old, but it's like, it just sits there, you know, unless
31:31SPEAKERlike corroded on the ends or something.
31:33SPEAKERWell, I think it's fine.
31:34SPEAKERI think it's more likely that you have something that's bleeding signal into those wires.
31:40SPEAKERCause like, if you, if you run those, like those, like I said, those wires aren't particularly
31:45SPEAKERwell shielded generally.
31:47SPEAKERThey're definitely not balanced or anything like that.
31:48SPEAKERSo they don't cancel out noise.
31:50SPEAKERSo you're, you're going to want, like, I would lift, honestly, what I would do is make it
31:55SPEAKERloud enough that you hear the problem and then lift the wires up off the floor or move
32:00SPEAKERthe route and see if that changes things.
32:02SPEAKERYeah.
32:03SPEAKERPart of the problem is it's so intermittent that it's one of those things that's hard
32:06SPEAKERto reproduce.
32:07SPEAKERLike I can't, I can't force it to happen or it doesn't even necessarily happen on the
32:10SPEAKERsame sound over and over.
32:12SPEAKERIt seems very sporadic.
32:13SPEAKERSo that, that to me says it could be signal interference too.
32:16SPEAKERCause like if it's only happening when your PS5 is pulling an update down cause it's crossing
32:22SPEAKERthe network wire to say at a weird place or something like that, that could do it.
32:25SPEAKERWell, okay.
32:26SPEAKERActually.
32:27SPEAKERIt's like if it, if it was like network activity or something, cause there is like a cheap
32:30SPEAKERmono price gigabit switch plugged into the receiver or vice versa, like the receiver's
32:34SPEAKERgot an ethernet cable.
32:36SPEAKERSo for all I know, it could be something like that switch going bad and passing interference
32:39SPEAKERalong or something.
32:40SPEAKERBut I don't, I don't think it's anything upstream of the receiver because it seems to happen
32:45SPEAKERwith any given source.
32:47SPEAKERLike whether it's the TV sending audio to the receiver or whether it's like air playing
32:51SPEAKERsomething straight to the receiver, you know what I mean?
32:52SPEAKERIt's not any one device that is generating it because it seems to be between the receiver
32:56SPEAKERand the speakers.
32:57SPEAKERThat, yes, that's what, that's what it seems like.
32:59SPEAKERSo, so yeah.
33:00SPEAKERMove the wires.
33:01SPEAKERYeah.
33:02SPEAKERWell maybe I'll give that a try and see if that helps.
33:04SPEAKERMaybe I thought about chopping the ends off and stripping some new wire to expose some,
33:08SPEAKERsome new ends.
33:09SPEAKERIf you're going to go to that much hassle, I'd just buy another $5 spool of wire.
33:12SPEAKERYeah, maybe.
33:13SPEAKEROkay.
33:14SPEAKERThis is Radio Shack speaker wire and I have a certain, there's like a certain place in
33:18SPEAKERmy heart for all the Radio Shack products I still use around here because they don't
33:21SPEAKERexist anymore.
33:22SPEAKERI don't think I, I, my favorite thing I ever bought at Radio Shack was a set of these $20
33:27SPEAKERindoor outdoor bookshelf speakers that were awesome and I gave them to my, my father at
33:32SPEAKERsome point.
33:33SPEAKERAnd then when he moved on from where he was using them, he left them.
33:37SPEAKERHmm.
33:38SPEAKERThat's sad.
33:39SPEAKERYeah.
33:40SPEAKERThat's sad.
33:41SPEAKERLet me fill in the detail that's got me thinking about the Apple TV again.
33:45SPEAKERYeah.
33:46SPEAKERI encountered, I don't know how new this is, but that, that Hisense TV is a Google TV as
33:50SPEAKERyou know.
33:51SPEAKERIs it powered by Gemini now?
33:53SPEAKERI believe it is.
33:54SPEAKERThat sounds bad.
33:55SPEAKERI couldn't find the word Gemini anywhere, but, you know, Hisense is not the only one
34:00SPEAKERlike TCL also makes Google TVs.
34:02SPEAKERI'm not sure who else.
34:05SPEAKEREverybody but Samsung and LG makes a Google TV at this point.
34:09SPEAKERI believe they're either Google or Roku and sometimes both like it TCL does Roku versions
34:14SPEAKERand Google versions.
34:15SPEAKERHisense does Google versions and Roku versions.
34:18SPEAKERI don't hate the interface by and large.
34:20SPEAKERLike it's fine.
34:21SPEAKERI'm sure that most, I am guessing most smart TV dashboard interfaces are kind of all created
34:26SPEAKERequal at this point.
34:27SPEAKERI mean, people seem to like web OS quite a bit.
34:29SPEAKERI would rather, my feelings about this are just, I would rather pay $150 and not see
34:34SPEAKERads on my TV.
34:35SPEAKERMy TV UI.
34:36SPEAKERYeah.
34:37SPEAKERIn my case, it's not the, it's not the paying for an Apple TV.
34:40SPEAKERIt's the giving up an HDMI port for it.
34:42SPEAKERLike I said, that's the thing for me is that I'm already out of ports.
34:45SPEAKERSo it's the, if it's, if it's built into the TV and I don't have to burn a port on it,
34:50SPEAKERI'm going to use it even if it's, if it's not ideal, but it's coming, it's becoming
34:53SPEAKEReven less ideal over time.
34:56SPEAKERSo I assume they all do this, but the Google TV aggregates, like at the very top of the
35:00SPEAKERdashboard, when you turn it on, it aggregates like every app and service you have installed.
35:04SPEAKERThere's like a, there's like, really you're shaking your head.
35:07SPEAKERI mean, I know Apple TV doesn't do that because the TV just has a grid, right?
35:10SPEAKERBecause you're, you're just launching apps there.
35:12SPEAKERSo I'm talking all the built-in ones, like the Amazon fire TV and Roku and yeah, it's
35:18SPEAKERjust, it's like shows up like an input on your device, I think is what I've seen.
35:21SPEAKERMaybe Google TV is unique in this, but what it's doing is it's pulling content out of
35:25SPEAKERevery app I have installed.
35:27SPEAKERSo like YouTube, Disney Plus, I know you're sticking your tongue out.
35:30SPEAKERI kind of agree with you.
35:32SPEAKERLike it'll be like, you know, it's a carousel.
35:34SPEAKERIt's a standard carousel of content, a horizontal one, but it'll be like, here's a, here's a
35:40SPEAKERvideo from YouTube based on your recommendations in YouTube.
35:43SPEAKERNext unit over here is Andor from Disney Plus and if you click it, it'll launch the Disney
35:47SPEAKERPlus app.
35:48SPEAKERAnd here's something from Tubi, like it's, it's aggregating.
35:51SPEAKEREverybody loves Tubi.
35:52SPEAKERLike, well, yeah.
35:53SPEAKERAnd we'll get to that, but like it's specific pieces of content, but from each, from all
35:56SPEAKERthese different services, just like all mashed together into one carousel.
35:59SPEAKERRight.
36:00SPEAKERI was scrolling through that last night.
36:04SPEAKERThere's some real interesting knockoff material on Tubi.
36:08SPEAKERLet's say.
36:09SPEAKEROh, really?
36:10SPEAKERI came across a movie called Terminatrix.
36:11SPEAKERI wish I had a lady Terminator.
36:14SPEAKERIt sure is.
36:15SPEAKEROh man.
36:16SPEAKERThat sounds amazing.
36:17SPEAKERAnd I, I, I, I was just like, all right, I got to know who's in this.
36:20SPEAKEROh, it was the, the art.
36:24SPEAKERAre you looking it up?
36:25SPEAKERNo, I just got to Reckless Summer.
36:28SPEAKEROkay.
36:29SPEAKERThere's a lot of saucy foreign films on there loading on their homepage for this.
36:32SPEAKEROn Tubi?
36:33SPEAKEROn Tubi.
36:34SPEAKERTubi is, sounds like an interesting story.
36:35SPEAKERI've never watched anything on Tubi.
36:37SPEAKERI hear it's quite popular though.
36:38SPEAKERI mean, look, I love, cause it's free, right?
36:41SPEAKERIsn't that the whole thing with Tubi?
36:43SPEAKERIt's fully free and ad supported.
36:44SPEAKERI think it's like pretty big actually.
36:46SPEAKERI think it like quietly does huge numbers.
36:48SPEAKERThat makes sense.
36:49SPEAKERAnyway.
36:50SPEAKERSorry.
36:51SPEAKERI'll, I'll cut to the chase.
36:52SPEAKERI saw the Terminatrix like kind of key art and I thought I recognized one of the actors
36:55SPEAKERin it.
36:56SPEAKERI was like, who is that?
36:58SPEAKERAnd so I clicked through to try to expand like the summary.
37:02SPEAKERLike I clicked through to the page to get the, you know, the full screen, like here's
37:05SPEAKERall the info you're going to show me about this thing.
37:08SPEAKERThere were, there were units, there was like a description unit, like, you know, a technical
37:12SPEAKERwhatever unit in the description unit.
37:15SPEAKERI could see enough of the preview of the text.
37:16SPEAKEROkay.
37:17SPEAKERThis was a little bit hard to explain, but try to bear with me.
37:20SPEAKEROkay.
37:21SPEAKERThere was a, there was what appeared to be a human written description of this movie,
37:25SPEAKERright?
37:26SPEAKEROkay.
37:27SPEAKERLike, like a, you know, and it is a very much Terminator knockoff, but like in this
37:29SPEAKERdescription I could see like part of an actor's name in parentheses.
37:32SPEAKERSo I was like, okay, if I just click through and expand this to full screen, I'm going
37:37SPEAKERto be able to read this whole blurb and figure out who that actor is that I thought I recognized.
37:41SPEAKERExpanding the human written description for this movie instead opens an AI generated summary
37:49SPEAKERof the movie based on whatever data they have decided to feed to the AI.
37:55SPEAKERThere was no way to actually like, I could, again, I could see the preview of the normal
37:58SPEAKERhuman written thing.
38:00SPEAKERI just couldn't read the whole thing because instead it like Kool-Aid manned its way into
38:05SPEAKERlike the, like the AI generated Kool-Aid man burst in and said, Hey, what if you read the
38:09SPEAKERsummary instead?
38:10SPEAKERAnd it was like the most boiler plate, useless, like information free summary.
38:14SPEAKERYou can imagine no actor names, no nothing.
38:18SPEAKERI could not find any way to get to the actual full description, which again is in their
38:22SPEAKERbackend because I saw the first like line and a half of it in the little preview box.
38:28SPEAKERThis is the, like, this is you've, you've hit one of the things that really makes me
38:31SPEAKERcrazy about bad streaming apps because just to be clear, Apple TV is not immune to this.
38:36SPEAKERThe HBO or sorry, the max app is notorious for this because they'll get, they'll have
38:42SPEAKERan abbreviated description of the movie that you're watching.
38:45SPEAKERAnd then when you click on it, it just starts playing the movie.
38:48SPEAKERIt doesn't actually expand the description or it doesn't like there's no page that you
38:51SPEAKERcan see that this is that full description on I've seen stuff like that too.
38:55SPEAKERAnd that's also annoying, but this is like a whole extra level of offensive.
38:58SPEAKERThis is, this is, this is, but this is on to be, this isn't Google's fault.
39:02SPEAKERThis is Google's fault.
39:04SPEAKERThis is in the Google interface showing has the text and Google showing their AI generated
39:09SPEAKERnonsense.
39:10SPEAKERThat's exactly what it was.
39:11SPEAKERIt was cause this was, like I said, this was at the top level Google TV dashboard when
39:14SPEAKERyou first turned the TV on, like I said, like I said, it's pulling content from all of it.
39:18SPEAKERLike, so we would do the same thing for a Disney plus show or a YouTube video, presumably
39:22SPEAKERwhere they might have it, maybe they have it disabled for YouTube videos, but like I
39:26SPEAKERcouldn't find any kind of global toggle to just turn off AI generated descriptions and
39:31SPEAKERhints and whatever.
39:32SPEAKERAnd like I said, and again, like the content, the the short descriptions they're generating
39:38SPEAKERare our slop, just like a lot of the other things that come out of AI, like it's useless.
39:42SPEAKERLike it told me next to nothing about that actual movie.
39:44SPEAKERWhen I saw again, a description that was specific and did have actors in it that I want to like
39:49SPEAKERit.
39:50SPEAKERI mean, look, it's, it's grim.
39:55SPEAKERThe other thing you tagged on there is when they don't put actors, when they don't have
39:59SPEAKERthe list of actors in the film on the description pages for the streaming services, cause like
40:04SPEAKERsometimes I'm like, Oh, this has a, you know, this is a, it's a Brad Pitt movie.
40:08SPEAKERI'd like to watch it.
40:09SPEAKERI've seen this one before.
40:10SPEAKERMaybe I'd see another Brad Pitt movie or when Val Kilmer died, I was like, I'm gonna watch
40:14SPEAKERsome Val Kilmer movies.
40:15SPEAKERAnd I, and honestly, the only one that gives you a really good interface for that stuff
40:19SPEAKERis Plex because you can drill through right, right through into the, like the actor pages
40:25SPEAKERand see everything on Plex and the services that you subscribe to that has that actor
40:30SPEAKERin it.
40:31SPEAKERIt's it's anyway.
40:32SPEAKERYeah.
40:33SPEAKERThis, this is like, we've kind of, we've kind of balkanized video delivery systems to the
40:41SPEAKERpoint that some of them are good and some are bad.
40:44SPEAKERAnd I often end up watching stuff on Disney plus or or Paramount, no, not Paramount Netflix,
40:54SPEAKERbecause the apps are pretty good.
40:56SPEAKERLike, but just, just because the user experience of using those apps is less painful than using
41:01SPEAKERmax or Paramount or peacock or God help you if you have to go look at something on Amazon,
41:07SPEAKERit's the worst.
41:08SPEAKERYep.
41:09SPEAKERI know.
41:10SPEAKERAnd anyway, this is what's got me thinking about buying an Apple TV again, because as
41:13SPEAKERfar as I know, it is the least shitty version of what I'm describing.
41:16SPEAKERLike, it sounds like they have very, very little of this kind of thing.
41:19SPEAKERAnd I, again, I, I went to the root of my Google account to see if I could, and it actually,
41:25SPEAKERmaybe I should still drill in on the PC.
41:27SPEAKERI was using the Google app on iOS and couldn't find any settings there.
41:31SPEAKERMaybe there are some, there's no settings dude, are there not, I guarantee you, they
41:35SPEAKERdon't let you give you granular control over that that doesn't exist inside the Android
41:39SPEAKERTV interface.
41:40SPEAKEROkay.
41:41SPEAKERYeah.
41:42SPEAKERCause I went through every single setting on that TV and could not find a way to turn
41:44SPEAKERthis stuff off.
41:45SPEAKERAnd I'm guessing there's just no global toggle for the Gemini shit.
41:51SPEAKERI had a, I had a really dark moment when that, when that happened last night of just like,
41:56SPEAKERwe're heading for a new dark age, aren't we?
41:57SPEAKERBecause like the, the, the way that description read was that they had like tuned the model
42:02SPEAKERto spit out the shortest and most generic thing it possibly could like it, what it reminded
42:07SPEAKERme of was the, I'm sure you've heard about this move in content creation that places
42:11SPEAKERlike Netflix to make like sort of, I guess lower engagement content is the way to put
42:16SPEAKERit.
42:17SPEAKERLike they want to make movies that people can watch while they're on their phones.
42:19SPEAKERYou've heard about all this shit, audio dramas with pictures attached, right?
42:22SPEAKERLike it very much, very much read like that sort of thing of just like, we need to make
42:26SPEAKERsomething that is as short and generic as possible because people are not even going
42:29SPEAKERto pay attention to what they're reading anymore.
42:31SPEAKERLike, like any amount of like depth or nuances just being sanded off now.
42:35SPEAKERLike I had a really dire moment of just like, like knowledge and information are just being
42:40SPEAKERdestroyed systematically, aren't they?
42:43SPEAKERI, I well, that's a grim thought.
42:46SPEAKERI don't, I, I think it's more, so I tend to go with the less malicious thought that somebody
42:54SPEAKERwas like, Hey, we need to get our AI usage at Google up.
42:57SPEAKERAnd they're like, well, where can we jam it in?
42:58SPEAKERAnd it's just like the it's just like why your, why your windows start menu started searching
43:04SPEAKERBing results a few years ago, right?
43:06SPEAKERSomebody needed Bing numbers to go up and that was an easy way to make Bing numbers
43:09SPEAKERgo up.
43:10SPEAKERAnd, and, you know, putting every Android TV, I'm going to go ahead and tell you, has
43:15SPEAKERsomebody who hasn't really engaged with any of the Android TVs or Roku's when we go to
43:19SPEAKERan Airbnb and often we don't turn the TV on to Airbnbs, but sometimes you're like caught
43:24SPEAKERin a snowstorm or something and you got to, got to watch some TV, I'm always blown away
43:29SPEAKERby how shitty the Roku and Google TV experiences are just in general, like, like the number
43:36SPEAKERof the volume of ads that you get when you, when you log into the homepage of one of those
43:42SPEAKERthings is shocking.
43:44SPEAKERAnd I think Roku was the one that was worse, worse about this Roku, Roku, like the ads
43:49SPEAKERare like embedded in the dashboard and those are, to be clear, those are like traditional
43:53SPEAKERdisplay ads, like webpage style, like CPM style display ads, like Google TV at least
43:58SPEAKERdoes not have that.
43:59SPEAKERLike they're definitely, they're definitely shunting like sponsored content at you, but
44:02SPEAKERthat's carousel is algorithmic and they can be promoting stuff based on.
44:06SPEAKERAnd the, what people pay them.
44:08SPEAKERYeah.
44:09SPEAKERBut the difference is in the Roku example, you've got a carousel of sponsored content
44:12SPEAKERand then like a banner ad around that, which at least Google TV does not have.
44:16SPEAKERI mean, I'd, maybe I've become somewhat a nerd to the experience on the Google TV.
44:21SPEAKERLike it, by and large, it's usable, but this AI thing has been a bridge too far.
44:25SPEAKERWell, so, okay, so this is a good bridge into what I was going to talk about next.
44:29SPEAKERI got, so I had to reinstall windows on a laptop that I used the other day and as part
44:36SPEAKERof doing the testing for the clean versus dirty windows thing, I had to reinstall windows
44:39SPEAKERa couple of times and move some stuff around.
44:41SPEAKERAnd I got kind of annoyed at windows at the amount that windows is trying to sell me stuff
44:47SPEAKERat the, at the, like the latest version of windows now pops up a thing.
44:50SPEAKERIf you're not using one drive to back up your profile folders, which actually doesn't back
44:53SPEAKERup any of the data that I actually use, as we talked about last week, and they finally
44:57SPEAKERadded a way that you can turn off the little bug that says, Hey, your, your computer is
45:01SPEAKERnot backed up every time you're in file Explorer, but I shouldn't have to do that.
45:05SPEAKERRight.
45:06SPEAKERLike I shouldn't have to have these terrible experiences.
45:09SPEAKERI installed windows seven on a VM to test something out and man, windows seven was real
45:14SPEAKERgood, Brad.
45:15SPEAKERYeah, it was fun.
45:16SPEAKERI mean, I think a pair of experts once said it was the best one that was ever made.
45:22SPEAKERThat seems like something we would send, but anyway, I installed Linux.
45:26SPEAKERWe talked about it a little bit on the patron episode last month, I think I'm still working
45:31SPEAKERon getting it to a point that I can use it as a daily driver.
45:34SPEAKERAnd unfortunately, a lot of the stuff I've been doing, like the micro starter testing,
45:36SPEAKERI couldn't do in Linux, obviously.
45:38SPEAKERSo a lot of my day to day has been in windows, but I think I'm at the point now that I can
45:42SPEAKERrecord the podcast and stuff like that in Linux.
45:48SPEAKERI wondered, I have this bootloader issue where I have two Linuxes and two windowses popping
45:52SPEAKERup on my, on my camera, which bootloader I'm using reunify, maybe it's all right.
45:59SPEAKERMy bootloader is re it's something re something refined, refined.
46:04SPEAKEROkay.
46:05SPEAKERCan I, this might be my most pedantic moment.
46:08SPEAKERYeah.
46:09SPEAKERLike seriously.
46:10SPEAKERAnd I know I've probably had a few, as you know, technically refined is my boot manager,
46:14SPEAKERnot a bootloader.
46:15SPEAKEROkay.
46:16SPEAKERThank you, Brad.
46:17SPEAKERThe bootloader is a thing that it loads an operating system kernel refined is basically
46:22SPEAKERan intermediary that just loads a bootloader scans for bootloaders.
46:26SPEAKERYeah.
46:27SPEAKERSo refined is a boot manager that then loads a bootloader that then loads an operating
46:32SPEAKERsystem.
46:33SPEAKERThank you for the correction.
46:34SPEAKERI appreciate it.
46:35SPEAKERYou're welcome.
46:36SPEAKERBut anyway, so it has, it has a windows EFI partition that doesn't boot and it has a Linux
46:42SPEAKEREFI partition that doesn't boot.
46:44SPEAKERSo there's four things in this boot manager.
46:46SPEAKEROh yeah.
46:47SPEAKERBut only two of them work.
46:49SPEAKERYeah.
46:50SPEAKERIt's cause refined scans for anything it thinks it possibly could, or sorry, let me rephrase
46:54SPEAKERthat.
46:55SPEAKERI think it possibly could be a bootloader so if it finds like other EFI executables
47:01SPEAKERthat may or may not actually be valid for loading an OS, it'll list those two just cause
47:05SPEAKERit's kind of, it's giving you everything you can go into the configuration file and tell
47:08SPEAKERit like you can only show these two, you can set all kinds of exclusions based on path
47:12SPEAKERor type or all these other ways to, to kind of tidy up that list.
47:17SPEAKERCause I'm okay with them being there, but it's kind of annoying to look at them every
47:20SPEAKERtime I boot.
47:21SPEAKERAnd when they first, when, when you first load it and you're looking at all these icons,
47:25SPEAKERit's not always apparent which one is the one you should actually run to load the OS.
47:28SPEAKERWell, I mean, it's clearly the second Linux in the first window, so that's what I know
47:32SPEAKERnow, but it took me a little bit of trial and error.
47:35SPEAKERWhen I, there have been moments when I was like deep into my Linux tinkering a couple
47:39SPEAKERmonths ago, which I really need to get back to when I have time.
47:42SPEAKERBut there were, there were points when I had like three different USB Linux installers
47:47SPEAKERfor like, I don't know, I think I had like pop OS fedora and maybe Nix OS all at the
47:52SPEAKERsame time.
47:53SPEAKERAnd I had installed multiple distros.
47:56SPEAKERThere were like 20 plus icons, 20 plus different things to boot that refine found between different
48:03SPEAKERboot loaders and like, you know, secure boot key utilities, like any EFI binary had found
48:09SPEAKERit listed on there and it gets messy.
48:10SPEAKERIt gets extremely messy very quickly.
48:12SPEAKERAnd I assume I haven't dug into the conflict files for this, but I assume I can do things
48:15SPEAKERlike adjust the names for the names and stuff for the images and all that.
48:21SPEAKERYou can customize it and actually make it look pretty nice.
48:24SPEAKERMine, mine is like pretty slick looking now, but when I actually, I actually ended up turning
48:27SPEAKERoff the auto detect entirely.
48:31SPEAKERAnd instead I just go in and manually make a new entry every time I want to add an operating
48:34SPEAKERsystem to boot.
48:35SPEAKEROkay.
48:36SPEAKERThat seems easy.
48:37SPEAKERRefind is really neat.
48:38SPEAKERLike, I mean, to be clear, it's really neat for the type of person who wants to manually
48:43SPEAKERmanage their EFI system partition and like really know how the operating system boots
48:48SPEAKERand customize that behavior.
48:49SPEAKERLike if you're, if you're happy with the way your computer works out of the box, then forget
48:52SPEAKERthis thing exists.
48:53SPEAKERBut like if you want, if you want a neat little graphical menu at the, when you start your
48:58SPEAKERcomputer to choose between operating systems, you can do a lot with it.
49:00SPEAKERIt's much easier than using grub.
49:02SPEAKERYeah.
49:03SPEAKERI am not a big grub fan at all.
49:04SPEAKERIn fact, I can't use grub and we should not get into it, but grub has got this persistent
49:08SPEAKERissue on this machine.
49:10SPEAKERI think it's something about this specific ASUS board that I'm using.
49:13SPEAKEROh, it doesn't like it?
49:16SPEAKERGrub throws an out of memory error with a ton of different distros booting on this machine,
49:20SPEAKERunless I finally figured out if I disabled the entire TPM.
49:23SPEAKEROh, that's really weird.
49:25SPEAKERLiterally turn off the whole trusted platform subsystem in the BIOS, then grub will work
49:30SPEAKERon this machine.
49:31SPEAKERIt's I think it's one of those things where Linux is still not great on like bleeding
49:35SPEAKERedge hardware.
49:36SPEAKERYou know, like a motherboard that just came out in the last year, you're probably still
49:39SPEAKERgoing to run into issues here and there.
49:42SPEAKERYeah.
49:43SPEAKERWell, I mean, grub seems like it's not great with GPT also, which is, you know.
49:49SPEAKERYeah.
49:50SPEAKERI even, even in the Linux world, I mean, we're, we're really getting into it here, but system
49:53SPEAKERD boot seems like it's probably, it's more popular than grub these days, or like maybe
49:58SPEAKERit's, it's more minimal and more reliable.
50:00SPEAKERI gather that's, that's what it's funny.
50:02SPEAKERThe cache EOS install guide had a really good, which boot manager slash loader should you
50:09SPEAKERuse?
50:10SPEAKERAnd they went through all of them.
50:11SPEAKERIt was like, and, and the recommendations were a system D boot and refined.
50:16SPEAKERYeah.
50:17SPEAKERYeah.
50:18SPEAKERI, I, for, for numerous reasons, I kind of intend to never use grub again, if I can help
50:23SPEAKERit.
50:24SPEAKERYeah.
50:25SPEAKERIt seems like it's the right choice.
50:26SPEAKERBrad, do you think that's a good, as good a place as I need to wrap it up?
50:28SPEAKERI think so.
50:29SPEAKERWhat do you think audience?
50:30SPEAKERPause for reply.
50:32SPEAKERYeah.
50:33SPEAKERYeah.
50:34SPEAKERYeah.
50:35SPEAKERLike we said, sorry if this, this one's a little shorter and less focused also apologies
50:38SPEAKERif the, if the editing is slightly less tight over the next couple of weeks, but time is
50:43SPEAKERshort.
50:44SPEAKERIt seems it is.
50:46SPEAKERIf people have questions about the Linux stuff, I'm doing more Linux stuff in the newsletter.
50:50SPEAKERAnd like, if you have quite like, I'm not going to do like how to install Linux guides.
50:55SPEAKERCause I assume that people are going to be able to follow, like, I'll say, Hey, go, go
50:58SPEAKERto this, follow the instructions on this page, but if people have specific questions about
51:02SPEAKERstuff further down the pipeline, we can, I I'd love to know what you, what you're curious
51:05SPEAKERabout and we'll write about, we'll talk about in the podcast.
51:08SPEAKERYeah.
51:09SPEAKERWe, we will do like a real proper desktop Linux episode at some points, although at
51:13SPEAKERthis point it's going to be like mid July, I think before I can get back to this.
51:17SPEAKERWell, it's, it's been interesting to me finding out the places where like, there's a lot of
51:23SPEAKERstuff that just works.
51:24SPEAKERYeah.
51:25SPEAKERThere's a lot of stuff that I think is probably never going to work.
51:27SPEAKERLike Fortnite.
51:29SPEAKERBut then there's a lot of stuff that's kind of in the, more stuff than I expected in that
51:33SPEAKERin between I expected to have everything just work or everything be in between, I mean,
51:37SPEAKERor everything not work at all.
51:39SPEAKERAnd there's a lot of gray area of like kind of user compiled ports of, you know, software
51:47SPEAKERthat vendors have like notion.
51:48SPEAKERThere's a version of notion for Ubuntu and for Fedora and the, the people have recompiled
51:54SPEAKERthat for a repackage that rather for the distro that I'm using.
51:59SPEAKERSo if I choose to use that, then I can, or I can just, you know, I can put it in a, in
52:04SPEAKERa, what do you call it?
52:05SPEAKERShell myself.
52:06SPEAKERSo anyway, we are, it's a, it's, it's been, it's been fun learning.
52:09SPEAKERIt's a lot different than the last time I tried to use Linux on the desktop in, I think
52:13SPEAKER2004.
52:14SPEAKEROh yeah.
52:15SPEAKERThat's not the Linux or just Linux world in general has gotten crazy in the last few years
52:18SPEAKERwith different container formats for applications and stuff like that.
52:22SPEAKERIt's pretty good.
52:23SPEAKERYeah.
52:24SPEAKERUh, that'll do it for us this, this week.
52:27SPEAKERThanks everybody for listening.
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52:48SPEAKERYeah.
52:49SPEAKERAlthough that one fair warning gets way more rambly even than this.
52:53SPEAKERYeah.
52:54SPEAKERThat's true.
52:55SPEAKERSometimes, sometimes not.
52:56SPEAKERYeah.
52:57SPEAKERYeah.
52:58SPEAKERSometimes it's quite serious.
52:59SPEAKEROther times we're talking about revenge of the Sith or weird candy for 20 minutes.
53:03SPEAKERI think that, yeah.
53:04SPEAKERI mean, look, man, we can talk about weird candy anytime you want.
53:06SPEAKERYeah.
53:07SPEAKERI did.
53:08SPEAKERI did go see revenge of the Sith in the theater.
53:09SPEAKERI, well, you talked about that.
53:10SPEAKERI didn't.
53:11SPEAKERDid I tell you that I had, Oh, I was thinking when we talked, I was debating whether to
53:15SPEAKERgo.
53:16SPEAKERDid I, had I already been?
53:17SPEAKERYou had been.
53:18SPEAKERWe did.
53:19SPEAKERWe did.
53:20SPEAKEROkay.
53:21SPEAKERI missed it.
53:22SPEAKERI screwed up and was a day late.
53:23SPEAKERBut also I couldn't get my, my, I finally got my daughter to watch the first one Phantom
53:28SPEAKERMenace and she's like, she was, she's 12 generally pro.
53:34SPEAKERShe was like, I like Padme.
53:36SPEAKERShe seems better than Princess Leia.
53:37SPEAKERAnd I was like, Oh man, you got, so you're in for some disappointment later on.
53:41SPEAKERBut, and, and she, she thought Jar Jar was fine, but not, was not repulsed by Jar Jar.
53:50SPEAKERShe said the graphics were okay.
53:52SPEAKERAnd I was like, you realize this is the first movie that they ever shot on digital all the
53:54SPEAKERway through.
53:55SPEAKERAnd she was like, but I don't know what that means.
53:56SPEAKERAnd I explained it.
53:57SPEAKERAnd then she was like, okay, that's kind of cool.
53:59SPEAKERI'm resisting an old man yelling at cloud moment here.
54:03SPEAKERThis is nothing, nothing against your daughter.
54:05SPEAKERI see people doing this all over the place.
54:07SPEAKERPeople referring to graphics and movies.
54:10SPEAKERYeah.
54:11SPEAKERIt's, I think that that is a battle I am going to lose.
54:14SPEAKERYeah.
54:15SPEAKERI got bad news for you, Brad.
54:17SPEAKERHer TLDR on it though was she was like, Oh, so tariffs, people cared about tariffs back
54:24SPEAKERthen too.
54:25SPEAKERAnd I was like, well, I got bad news for you, George Lucas thought leader saw it all coming.
54:31SPEAKERAnyway.
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54:49SPEAKERThank you all so much.
54:50SPEAKERAnd that'll do it for us this week.
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55:11SPEAKERAnd maybe Deezer because we always talk about Deezer on the folder now for some reason,
55:14SPEAKERI don't know.
55:15SPEAKERAnyway.
55:16SPEAKERAlso, I just said thank you to the patrons, but my mic was muted, so nobody heard it,
55:21SPEAKERbut Hey, thank you.
55:22SPEAKERPatrons.
55:23SPEAKERI thought, I thought I saw your mouth moving.
55:24SPEAKERBrad, I hope you feel better and enjoy your next week at civic duty.
55:30SPEAKERAnd we will be back next week with another edition of the tech pod.
55:33SPEAKERSee y'all then.
55:35SPEAKERAnd please consider the environment before printing this podcast, Brad made a face.
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