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286: SheevQuest 2025

2025-05-11 · 55:53

00:00SPEAKERBrad, how's Sheev Quest going?

00:01SPEAKERSheev Quest 2025 is proceeding a pace, in fact, like more than a pace.

00:07SPEAKERI'm pretty proud of, you want to know what level I am?

00:09SPEAKERI'm curious.

00:10SPEAKERWe're talking Fortnite here, to be clear.

00:13SPEAKERYeah.

00:14SPEAKERFortnite is having a summer of Star Wars.

00:16SPEAKERWhen I see Star Wars stuff coming into Destiny, I'm kind of like, huh, when I see Star Wars

00:21SPEAKERstuff coming into Fortnite, I'm a woohoo.

00:23SPEAKERRight.

00:24SPEAKERYeah.

00:25SPEAKERSo I made that exact point on the next Lantern Podcast this week.

00:27SPEAKERI hate Darth Vader in Destiny.

00:29SPEAKERYeah.

00:30SPEAKERMakes no sense.

00:31SPEAKERI love this stupid shit in Fortnite.

00:33SPEAKERAlso, I think I just play Fortnite now.

00:35SPEAKERI've been telling you this for a long time.

00:37SPEAKERFortnite is secretly the good one of the battle royales.

00:40SPEAKERPUBG has problems with management and sweaty population.

00:45SPEAKERWarzone's just not particularly fun, I don't think.

00:48SPEAKERApex has technical problems and is really, it's like Dota levels of complexity almost

00:54SPEAKERin a battle royale.

00:56SPEAKERFortnite is just fun.

00:57SPEAKERI just needed that one afternoon session with you last weekend where you kind of, you helped

01:01SPEAKERme get my feet wet and once I knew what was going on, I just kind of have been playing

01:05SPEAKERit for 20, 30 minutes a day, every day.

01:07SPEAKERAnd guess where it's brought me to?

01:09SPEAKERIt's honestly, my biggest complaint about Fortnite right now is that it takes like six

01:12SPEAKERminutes to start the game.

01:14SPEAKERYes.

01:15SPEAKERIt really, the downtime from match to match is a bit much.

01:18SPEAKERBut no, I mean just opening the game, clicking on it in the Epic store and it being like,

01:22SPEAKERoh, I'm going to load 16 different layers of anti-cheat and entitlements and stuff like

01:28SPEAKERthat.

01:29SPEAKERSo I actually, I started out on PC, but I've been doing most of my leveling on the PS5

01:33SPEAKERactually lately.

01:35SPEAKERWhich is like...

01:36SPEAKERYou just let auto aim, huh?

01:38SPEAKEREh.

01:39SPEAKERIs it, is the hopper, is it all just one hopper?

01:40SPEAKERAm I still seeing people from anywhere?

01:41SPEAKERI mean, I've been, I've gotten two Vicar royales on the PS5.

01:45SPEAKERI think, I think you have to opt in on the consoles to be cross play.

01:48SPEAKEROkay.

01:49SPEAKERYeah, it's, it's just all, all one big pool of players.

01:54SPEAKERThat's their secret.

01:55SPEAKERThat's just, it's nice to come home, especially come and talk about it after the intro music.

02:00SPEAKERYeah.

02:01SPEAKERHome from court every day.

02:02SPEAKERIt's nice to, it's nice to just flop on the couch and do my dailies in a relaxed posture,

02:07SPEAKERyou know?

02:08SPEAKERWell, so the thing about it is, and I said this years ago when we started talking about

02:12SPEAKERit, is I think that their team where, you know, PUBG was optimizing to be an e-sport

02:17SPEAKERfor a while and Warzone is trying to extract as much money from you with like James silent

02:21SPEAKERBob and Seth Rogan skins as they can.

02:24SPEAKERI mean, Fortnite definitely is extracting money from people with skins as well, but

02:29SPEAKERthey seem to make most of their game balance decisions to optimize for fun.

02:33SPEAKERAnd if it breaks the game for a little bit, that's fine because they changed the meta

02:36SPEAKERof the game and the weapons of the game so, so frequently that like the law, even if you

02:41SPEAKERdon't like the current meta of the game, you have like till the end of that season and

02:45SPEAKERthen it's going to all change and everything's going to be different again.

02:49SPEAKERSo it works out.

02:50SPEAKERI have been having fun with it.

02:51SPEAKERLike it's kind of exactly what you said.

02:53SPEAKERLike, especially when you get down to that, like tense last three to five players thing,

02:57SPEAKERlike I'm getting exactly that feeling of suspense and like creeping around and listening for

03:02SPEAKERevery sound, like exactly the thing you want out of the good tense battle royale.

03:06SPEAKERIt's like, Oh, this is, this is a real video game actually.

03:09SPEAKERAnd it has the same, it has the same thing that Austin Walker said about PUBG years and

03:13SPEAKERyears ago, which is that like solo, it's a horror game.

03:16SPEAKERI think Fortnite's a little bit less of a horror game because of just, it's kind of

03:19SPEAKERcartoony and goofy and you get back into the next game real fast.

03:22SPEAKERAlex calls it video game McDonald's.

03:24SPEAKERYeah.

03:25SPEAKERThat's kind of right.

03:26SPEAKERYeah.

03:27SPEAKERBut like in a duo, it's like a buddy road trip movie and in a squad, it's just a, it's

03:32SPEAKERjust, you know, it's a wacky, wacky you know, like summer comedy.

03:37SPEAKERSo okay.

03:38SPEAKERSo you didn't guess where I've gotten to though.

03:40SPEAKERI bet you're 33.

03:41SPEAKEROh man.

03:42SPEAKEROkay.

03:43SPEAKERI'm pretty happy.

03:44SPEAKERCause no, I'm not actually that far.

03:45SPEAKERI think I've been 26 or 27, but I was proud of that in a week as of this recording, it's

03:50SPEAKERbeen, it's been one week since I started playing and only like six days since you showed me

03:55SPEAKERwhat to do.

03:56SPEAKERAnd I've actually started making real progress.

03:57SPEAKERSo like, and where's she, what level is she 40?

04:00SPEAKERShe was 50.

04:01SPEAKERIs it, is it 50?

04:02SPEAKERYeah.

04:03SPEAKERShe was the final thing in the main battle pass.

04:05SPEAKERMy battle pass.

04:06SPEAKERSo I I'm, I'm leveling fast enough that I am now confident I'm going to get there.

04:09SPEAKERSo I went ahead and bought the battle pass last night.

04:12SPEAKERBut Palpatine said, I only need, the number of levels it said I needed would have only

04:15SPEAKERbrought me to like low forties.

04:17SPEAKERSo I haven't actually looked to see sometimes they, sometimes the last thing in the battle

04:21SPEAKERpass is you have to unlock everything else in the battle pass, which would make it level

04:24SPEAKER50.

04:26SPEAKERSometimes it's, you have to unlock everything on that page, but you can skip earlier pages.

04:31SPEAKERI see.

04:32SPEAKERSo it depends on how they say, I didn't pay attention to how they set up the season.

04:34SPEAKERAnd then there is also that bonus separate tier that's got like Republic Chancellor Palpatine

04:39SPEAKERwith the red robes.

04:40SPEAKERThose are Sith robes dog.

04:41SPEAKERHe's got Sith signs on them.

04:43SPEAKERAnyway.

04:44SPEAKERI'm secretly, I am secretly actually here for general Grievous, but you know, I mean,

04:48SPEAKERthat's what we're all at the end of the day.

04:49SPEAKERIt's Mace, Mace Windu and general Grievous are the, I want Darth Jar Jar.

04:53SPEAKERHe's coming to apparently, but yeah, so this is a short season.

04:57SPEAKERIt's like a month long.

04:58SPEAKERYeah.

04:59SPEAKERUsually they're level to a hundred to get the stuff in the main pass and it's 10 or

05:02SPEAKER12 or 14 pages, but it goes for like three months.

05:05SPEAKEROh, okay.

05:06SPEAKEROkay.

05:07SPEAKERYeah.

05:08SPEAKERWell so now that you're Fortnite pilled, you know, hit me up if you ever want a game, I'll

05:11SPEAKERplay with console people.

05:12SPEAKERI don't, I'm cool.

05:13SPEAKERWell, thanks.

05:14SPEAKERI mean, look, I'm enjoying my time with it and I will be very happy to get Palpatine.

05:18SPEAKERI'm pretty sure once I unlock all this stuff though, I may not touch this game for like

05:22SPEAKERanother year or something.

05:23SPEAKEROh, you know, she will be there waiting for you.

05:25SPEAKERThat's right.

05:26SPEAKERHe always is.

05:27SPEAKERWelcome to brand new tech.

05:55SPEAKERWelcome to Brad and Will made a tech pod.

05:57SPEAKERI'm Will.

05:58SPEAKERI'm Brad.

05:59SPEAKERHey Brad.

06:00SPEAKERIt's been a while since I've seen you.

06:01SPEAKERYou seem like you've been really busy.

06:02SPEAKERWhat's going on, man?

06:03SPEAKERYeah.

06:04SPEAKERHello.

06:05SPEAKERHi.

06:06SPEAKERUm, should we just get into it for people who don't listen to my other stuff?

06:09SPEAKERYeah.

06:10SPEAKERYeah.

06:11SPEAKERWe should explain, uh, the next couple of weeks are going to be a little bit weird for

06:14SPEAKERreasons that we can't get into full details, but I think you can say what you're doing.

06:18SPEAKERI can say what I'm doing.

06:19SPEAKERAnd by couple of weeks, you mean four weeks, three to four, I think was what I was told.

06:23SPEAKERI guess, uh, all those goofs about jury duty stopped being goofs.

06:28SPEAKERYeah.

06:29SPEAKERI have been in paneled.

06:30SPEAKEROh, I've never been in paneled before I, I, I have now.

06:35SPEAKERYeah.

06:36SPEAKERYeah.

06:37SPEAKERI'm I'm on a, I am, I am full on in a jury that's on a trial that's going to last up

06:41SPEAKERto four weeks.

06:42SPEAKERThank you for doing your civic duty.

06:43SPEAKERI don't think you're allowed to talk about anything else other than the fact that you

06:46SPEAKERhave to go down there like three or four days a week and it's kind of wreaking havoc on

06:49SPEAKERour schedules.

06:50SPEAKERIt really is.

06:51SPEAKERYeah.

06:52SPEAKERBut, uh, your patience is appreciated in the audience.

06:55SPEAKERThe next, I'd say the next like two to three episodes are going to be a little looser if

07:00SPEAKERthat's okay.

07:01SPEAKERI mean, it's going to have to be okay.

07:02SPEAKERYeah.

07:03SPEAKERWe don't have, we do not have nearly as much time to put things together while this is

07:06SPEAKERgoing on.

07:07SPEAKERSo we're, we're going to be a little more grab baggy, a little more patron episode-esque.

07:11SPEAKERIt turns out a lot of what makes this podcast work is that we both have fairly non-traditional

07:15SPEAKERschedules and thus we're able to record at like eight o'clock in the morning or, you

07:21SPEAKERknow, at times when, when most people will be going to the office.

07:23SPEAKERYes.

07:24SPEAKERSo anyway.

07:25SPEAKERAnd also like the, you know, being home all the time and having like buckets of recording

07:30SPEAKERand stuff, you know, I have time in between those things to tinker with stuff that we

07:33SPEAKERwill then or read about things that we will then go on to talk about on this podcast.

07:37SPEAKERBut when it's, when I'm just out of the house and in a courtroom from about eight in the

07:41SPEAKERmorning until like five or six in the evening, the research time is very limited.

07:46SPEAKERYou know what I mean?

07:47SPEAKERYou need a handheld, some handheld gaming devices that you can take for those breaks

07:51SPEAKERand just that can be your project.

07:53SPEAKERI guess so.

07:54SPEAKERThey should be here just in time for the trial to be over and need to be free again.

07:57SPEAKERYup.

07:58SPEAKERYup.

07:59SPEAKERAnyway, that's, that's what's going on right now.

08:01SPEAKERAlso I'm, I've picked, I picked up illness at the courthouse already.

08:04SPEAKERIf you can't, if you can't, if you can't hear it in my voice, so this week is going to be

08:09SPEAKERextra loose.

08:10SPEAKERApologies for that.

08:11SPEAKERWe sound pretty good today actually, but I think yesterday judging by your messages,

08:14SPEAKERyou sounded pretty puny.

08:15SPEAKERYesterday, yesterday was rough today.

08:17SPEAKERI'm doing a little bit better.

08:19SPEAKERI, I was wondering is, is the whole, is the whole thing about your immune system atrophying

08:24SPEAKERif you don't expose yourself to pathogens on a regular basis, is that true things that

08:27SPEAKERis that real?

08:28SPEAKERLike that's the common wisdom, but I don't know if that's actually like scientifically

08:31SPEAKERsupported.

08:32SPEAKERI will tell you that when my daughter went to elementary school, we spent the next like

08:35SPEAKER18 months sick all the time.

08:38SPEAKERAnd it was because she hadn't like her preschool was all outside, so she was pretty lightly

08:42SPEAKERexposed to stuff there.

08:43SPEAKEROh, I see what you're saying.

08:44SPEAKERAnd when she was around 20 other children for the first time, it was, it was like a

08:49SPEAKERfestering hell stew of bacteria and viruses and like just constantly oozing out of her.

08:55SPEAKERYes.

08:56SPEAKERLike I, I haven't been sick in years, like literal years.

08:58SPEAKERYou don't leave the house.

08:59SPEAKERThat's exactly what I'm saying.

09:00SPEAKERAnd then the last time I was sick was COVID.

09:02SPEAKERSo that was like a kind of a unique situation or, you know, COVID is a thing you can get

09:05SPEAKERjust by being in a room with it.

09:07SPEAKERRight.

09:08SPEAKERBut like I haven't had a regular cold flu type thing and I could not tell you how many

09:11SPEAKERyears and like you said, it's like, I've been sitting in this room by myself for five years,

09:15SPEAKERbut I really, I really did wonder like, does your immune system actually become less effective?

09:20SPEAKERLike are you actually more susceptible to getting sick?

09:22SPEAKERBecause sure enough, like two, three days in that courthouse and I started feeling it.

09:27SPEAKERYeah.

09:28SPEAKERI mean, look, that's just justice, man.

09:30SPEAKERI guess so.

09:32SPEAKERSo what are we doing today?

09:33SPEAKERWe have, you alluded to this, we're going to do a grab bag episode of the things we're

09:38SPEAKERworking on, things that we've been doing, things that we have to figure out.

09:42SPEAKERIt's kind of like what our patron episodes often are.

09:45SPEAKERAnd some of these may turn into like more fully fledged episodes in the future.

09:48SPEAKERAt least one of them will, maybe two even.

09:51SPEAKERBut yeah, you want to, you want to jump, we can jump into the thing I've been working

09:55SPEAKERon.

09:56SPEAKERSo I have a couple of PC world projects that have been really fun to figure out.

10:00SPEAKEROne of them, the video is not done yet, so I'll just, I'll just tell you what it is and

10:04SPEAKERthen we can talk about it when the video is done.

10:06SPEAKERI'm going to do a tease, but I benchmarked a clean version of windows, a clean install

10:11SPEAKERof windows and a dirty like year old install of windows on the, on the exact same hardware

10:16SPEAKERand change CPU's throughout the, like tried a couple of different CPU's with that, with

10:20SPEAKERthat exact same config to see what the performance differences were in the results were fascinating.

10:26SPEAKEROkay.

10:27SPEAKERI'm very excited to hear how that goes because I've always wondered about that sort of thing.

10:31SPEAKERWere they all CPU's of the same make?

10:35SPEAKERSo I tried, I tested a 9800X3D and a 9950X3D.

10:39SPEAKERSo you didn't mix Intel and AMD on the same, the same windows install?

10:42SPEAKERNo, no, no, no.

10:43SPEAKEROkay.

10:44SPEAKERSo this was, that would be really interesting.

10:46SPEAKERSo I've done that before by doing the thing where you open up device manager and show

10:49SPEAKERthe hidden stuff and then delete all the Intel stuff once you have the new machine running.

10:53SPEAKERIn fact, actually my daughter's computer has been running like that for like four years

10:58SPEAKERnow with like shockingly few problems.

11:02SPEAKERYeah.

11:05SPEAKERThe big thing for me was I installed windows on this machine last April, I think when I

11:10SPEAKERgot a 7800X3D, I did some 7800X3D, 9800X3D tests earlier this year to see if there was

11:16SPEAKERa noticeable difference in games and stuff like that.

11:20SPEAKERAnd then for another video that'll come much later, cause we haven't even shot it yet.

11:25SPEAKERI tested the 9950 versus the 9800 just to see if having more like, see what the impact

11:32SPEAKERof having more cores is for like the kind of workloads I use.

11:36SPEAKERAnd yeah, so the results on that were interesting.

11:38SPEAKERThe thing that I posted yesterday though, I'm really stoked about and you'll like this.

11:41SPEAKERYeah.

11:42SPEAKERBefore, before you get into that, let me ask, did you, did you go out of your way to further

11:45SPEAKERlike synthetically filth up the dirty windows or did you just take it exactly as you had

11:50SPEAKERbeen using it?

11:51SPEAKERIt was all organic, just, just windows that I've used without thinking about maintaining,

11:57SPEAKERlike there's a bunch of crap, like, like, look, there's probably 15 different zoom clients

12:03SPEAKERinstalled.

12:04SPEAKERI got teams running.

12:05SPEAKERI've got Intel unison, like it's a power toys, everything.

12:09SPEAKERIt's all the crap we talk about on the, on the podcast just, and I left it all running

12:14SPEAKERin the background while I was doing these benchmarks because I wanted like a, you know,

12:18SPEAKERthe pure clean install versus the dirty install.

12:20SPEAKERNow I did do it on a 64 gig machine because that's what I run because of unreal had being

12:26SPEAKERa kind of a horse.

12:28SPEAKERSo that could have some, that could have had an impact as well.

12:30SPEAKERI think at some point I'll probably go back and redo some of these tests with 32 gigs

12:37SPEAKERto see if there's a, it makes a difference.

12:39SPEAKERI feel like I see a lot more people talking about having 64 these days.

12:42SPEAKERI mean, it's not like strictly necessary for most people, but also the prices have gotten

12:46SPEAKERsuch that it's not like totally extravagant to do so.

12:50SPEAKERWell yeah, 64 gig, a 64 gig DDR five 6,000 it, well, okay.

12:57SPEAKERWhen I bought this one, it was not expensive.

13:01SPEAKERI distinctly remember thinking, Oh, this isn't expensive.

13:04SPEAKERNow they're 200 bucks.

13:05SPEAKERSo that's up a little bit from where I bought.

13:07SPEAKEROh gosh.

13:08SPEAKERThere's some, Oh, these are DDR four.

13:09SPEAKERI'm sorry.

13:10SPEAKERYou can get DDR four 64 game for like 90 bucks, but yeah, but those are, those are going to

13:14SPEAKERbe like 50, 300 or something.

13:16SPEAKERProbably.

13:17SPEAKERSorry.

13:18SPEAKERThat's just the first thing that came up.

13:19SPEAKEROkay.

13:20SPEAKERLike the cheapest DDR Corsair, DDR five with this engines kit is two by 32 is 156.

13:26SPEAKERSo it's like, yeah, 64 is getting there.

13:29SPEAKERBut so if you're running a higher end CPU, I would probably do the 6,000 MT.

13:33SPEAKERYeah.

13:34SPEAKERMega transfers.

13:35SPEAKEROkay.

13:36SPEAKERAnyway, so the other project, the other project, which I'm really stoked about and came out

13:41SPEAKERquite well is I got early access to doom and video sent me a code to test it out.

13:49SPEAKERAnd, and to spend some time with it.

13:51SPEAKERAnd I, instead of playing the game like a normal human being, I was like, why do doom

13:55SPEAKERgames always feel fast?

13:57SPEAKERAnd then I started coming up to testing, running different kinds of benchmarks on doom and

14:01SPEAKERother games to figure out like, to see if I could just see if I could like measure microstutter

14:09SPEAKERin a meaningful way that would let me demonstrate because fundamentally the problem was showing

14:14SPEAKERmicrostutter on a YouTube video is that you are running a game at 120 or 130 frames a

14:19SPEAKERsecond or 200 frames a second, it sags down to 100 frames a second.

14:23SPEAKERAnd then you take that capture and you munch it through premiere or DaVinci resolve, and

14:28SPEAKERyou turn it into a 60 Hertz 4k video for YouTube.

14:32SPEAKERAnd none of the stutter is apparent because it all gets smoothed out in the transition

14:35SPEAKERfrom 60 plus Hertz to 60 Hertz on the, on the YouTube video.

14:40SPEAKERSo I ran this thing called frame view, which we've talked about before off and on, it's

14:44SPEAKERa, it's an Nvidia tool that measures the length of time each frame takes to render and in

14:51SPEAKERmilliseconds and then tracks that and you get a giant, if you like run it for a minute,

14:56SPEAKERyou get a CSV with thousands of entries for each frame.

15:00SPEAKERSo you can do things like see what the average, get the distribution of frames, right.

15:07SPEAKEROf frame time.

15:08SPEAKERYou can see what the 1% fastest frames are, you can see what the 1% slowest frame rate

15:12SPEAKERframes are all this stuff.

15:14SPEAKERYou can also do something really neat, which is compare the Delta from one frame to the

15:21SPEAKERnext in rendering time.

15:23SPEAKERSo, and there's a tool called cap frame X that does this that you feed these frame view

15:29SPEAKERoutputs in, and it just generates a whole bunch of nifty graphics.

15:32SPEAKERAnd then you can extrapolate some more information from there.

15:35SPEAKERAnd the thing that was fascinating is I tested, so I tested doom.

15:39SPEAKERI tested oblivion.

15:40SPEAKERI tested Fortnite.

15:41SPEAKERI tested Rocket League.

15:43SPEAKERAnd I tested Call of Duty was the other one.

15:46SPEAKERYeah.

15:47SPEAKERYeah.

15:48SPEAKERAnd most of those games had, they all were 80% except for oblivion were like 80% or higher

15:58SPEAKERframes within two milliseconds of each other.

16:00SPEAKERRight.

16:01SPEAKERSo the, so the, the variance from one frame to the next was less than two milliseconds

16:04SPEAKERfor the vast majority of frames now, doom, the difference between doom, the dark ages,

16:09SPEAKERwhich is out on Tuesday, thanks Nvidia and Bethesda.

16:14SPEAKERThe difference between frames, 99% of the frames were less than two milliseconds Delta

16:18SPEAKERbetween them.

16:20SPEAKERAnd I think that that was the big telling thing because like Fortnite, which is a stuttery

16:25SPEAKERgame on occasion, as, as I think you're probably aware now on the PS5, okay, fair.

16:34SPEAKERSo with, with, with Fortnite you'd see a Delta from like the, the average frame rate to the

16:39SPEAKER1% lows was like half.

16:42SPEAKERSo like it was a 300, 300 frames per second average on my machine.

16:46SPEAKERAnd it sags down to 150 for the 1% lows.

16:50SPEAKERAnd you, and you feel that that's the thing you feel when somebody comes into frame of

16:52SPEAKERview or whatever, even when the lows are still, I mean that 150 is still higher than my monitor

16:58SPEAKERcan even refresh.

16:59SPEAKERSo, so this is the, this is the thing that shocked me.

17:02SPEAKERI think it was outlaws last year when I was playing that, that game was showing average

17:07SPEAKERframe rates that were pretty high, like 200 in some cases, if you turn ray tracing a little

17:11SPEAKERbit down and, or I guess it was playing at 10 AP at the time, anyway, it doesn't matter.

17:17SPEAKERIt felt chunky and messy because the 1% lows were so, so low.

17:23SPEAKERAnd when I ran outlaws through this process, you saw it cause the, cause the, the spikes

17:27SPEAKERwere incredibly high.

17:29SPEAKERLike like you were seeing frame times that were taking three times as long or four times

17:33SPEAKERas long as the next, as the previous frame.

17:36SPEAKERAnd like you're basically, we came up with a way to visualize micro stutter in a way

17:41SPEAKERthat's meaningful and repeatable.

17:45SPEAKERAnd so then I took the graph that you laid that you get with that and I synced up the

17:50SPEAKERdisplay of that graph with the video clips that I captured at the same time I was doing

17:54SPEAKERthe frame capture.

17:56SPEAKERSo when you're playing the video, you're seeing the frames come across and you're getting

18:00SPEAKERa representation of the frame time for maybe not exactly, but more or less those frames,

18:05SPEAKERlike within a couple of frames on either side.

18:07SPEAKERSo like in the Doom example, the one that I picked, you turned a corner and you see

18:12SPEAKERthis big portal with a demon head thing in it.

18:15SPEAKERAnd it's the only spike on the whole, on the whole one minute sample, right?

18:18SPEAKERAnd it's when I believe it's probably when the shader that runs the transparent forcefield

18:24SPEAKERlooking thing in front of this big Doom, this demon head pops up.

18:28SPEAKEROn Oblivion Call of Duty, you see huge frame spikes when the UI loads, which is fine because

18:32SPEAKERlike the UI is loading.

18:33SPEAKERIt doesn't matter if the frame rate goes to shit because the game's in the background,

18:36SPEAKERbut like it's interesting because it's, it was representative of the, of the what's going

18:42SPEAKERon in the actual sequence and you can see where they sync up.

18:45SPEAKERFortnite, you saw lags when other characters came into view, which was, which was interesting.

18:50SPEAKEREven if you preload all that, like I have Fortnite set to preload all the assets.

18:53SPEAKERSo like every skin that you can buy is pre-cached on my computer.

18:57SPEAKERIt's like 50 gigs of skins.

18:59SPEAKERRight?

19:00SPEAKERYeah, it is.

19:01SPEAKERAnd I went through the shop yesterday and good God, man.

19:04SPEAKERAre you, have you, have you bought anything besides the pass yet?

19:07SPEAKERNo, I am not spending, I had enough V-Bucks to just buy the battle pass.

19:10SPEAKERSorry to just turn this into a Fortnite podcast.

19:12SPEAKERI don't know where I have, I have like 1300 V-Bucks, I don't know why.

19:15SPEAKERMaybe from Rocket League?

19:16SPEAKEROh, maybe so.

19:17SPEAKERAnd you earn a few, right?

19:19SPEAKERDon't you earn a few from the...

19:21SPEAKERYou earn enough with the battle pass to buy the next battle pass.

19:24SPEAKEROh, interesting.

19:25SPEAKEROkay.

19:26SPEAKERAnyway.

19:27SPEAKERI thumbed through the store just to see kind of some of the models and there is a lot of

19:30SPEAKERgarbage in there.

19:31SPEAKERAnyway, proceed.

19:32SPEAKERYeah.

19:33SPEAKERSo anyway, it's interesting because it gives you a visual representation of frame lag and

19:37SPEAKERit lets you see, like I was talking to some game developer friends yesterday after I posted

19:40SPEAKERthe video and they were like, "Hey, can you tell me how you did this?

19:43SPEAKERCause I want to be able to do this when we're having, when we're doing perf profiling and,

19:48SPEAKERand like, I, I'm, the next step is to connect perfmon up to it, which is an Intel tool.

19:53SPEAKERAnd I believe I can export the same kind of frame data out of there.

19:57SPEAKEREven if I can't, I can use frame view to do the frame data and then tie it to perfmon

20:02SPEAKERrecording that they start at the same time.

20:04SPEAKERYeah.

20:05SPEAKERI was going to, I was going to ask for the end user.

20:06SPEAKERI mean, obviously seeing this stuff is educational.

20:07SPEAKERYou can like, you can look at the graph against the footage and say like, Oh, that's, that's

20:11SPEAKERwhy that, that may be why it spiked.

20:12SPEAKERI can see that thing came into view and that's probably why this hitched for a second there.

20:16SPEAKERBut is there anything actionable about the data?

20:18SPEAKERLike, is there anything you can use or you can, can you take this and go like intervene

20:23SPEAKERto smooth things out?

20:24SPEAKERI don't know.

20:25SPEAKERI was talking to folks in the PC world discord about this.

20:27SPEAKERI think the next thing I'm going to do is do a, here's how to test micro stutter on

20:33SPEAKERyour machine.

20:34SPEAKERCause everybody's computers are a little bit different, you know, different video cards,

20:36SPEAKERdifferent CPUs, different memory are all going to have an impact.

20:39SPEAKERDifferent stuff installed, like you said, with who knows what else is running in your

20:43SPEAKERwindows.

20:44SPEAKERYeah.

20:45SPEAKERAnd then your Linux for that matter.

20:46SPEAKERLet's not get crazy.

20:47SPEAKERI don't know if frame view runs on Linux, probably, probably not.

20:51SPEAKERBut the point is you can then test settings inside a game to see what actually minimizes

20:56SPEAKERyour microstutter.

20:57SPEAKEROnce you have a way to visualize it, then you can, you can tune your settings to get

21:01SPEAKERsomething that minimizes your, and one of the first things I did was actually lock the

21:05SPEAKERframe rate in Fortnite to just over what I'm seeing is the minimum 1% and it already felt

21:10SPEAKERan incredible mouse smoother.

21:12SPEAKERSo yeah, high averages, better than, better than equal 1%.

21:17SPEAKERI have to run the frame views on that to see what actually ended up happening.

21:20SPEAKERBut yeah, so it was first, first dip into this, I think we'll probably do more.

21:25SPEAKERBut it was, it was fun and I learned a lot and I'd love people have questions about it.

21:28SPEAKERPlease send them to me in the discord or, or post on the comments on the YouTube video.

21:32SPEAKERWe'll put the, put the link in the description that you said that video is up now.

21:35SPEAKERIt's up.

21:36SPEAKERYep.

21:37SPEAKERIt went up the doom embargo yesterday.

21:38SPEAKERI watched it.

21:39SPEAKERIt was nice to, nice to see that visualization, nice to have data like visual data to go against

21:45SPEAKERthe footage.

21:46SPEAKERIt, it was, it was fun.

21:47SPEAKERYeah.

21:48SPEAKERLike having, having the visual, presenting the data.

21:52SPEAKERThe other thing somebody had asked me to do is to do a four year, four, four yay, four

21:55SPEAKERyear transform.

21:56SPEAKERI know you say that on the frequency distribution so you can see where like, so it gives you

22:03SPEAKERa better view into the, into the, the basically the distribution of the, of the different

22:10SPEAKERframe times.

22:11SPEAKERSo Brad, I heard your receiver is, are we still receiver buddies?

22:17SPEAKERDo you still have the same receiver that you had 10 years ago?

22:19SPEAKERYes.

22:20SPEAKERSony one.

22:21SPEAKEROh wait, I forgot.

22:22SPEAKERYou didn't.

22:23SPEAKERYours is not quite the same model as mine, but close, right?

22:25SPEAKERNo, we bought exactly the same one.

22:26SPEAKERThe 840?

22:27SPEAKERYeah.

22:28SPEAKEROh, that's all good.

22:29SPEAKERHang on.

22:30SPEAKERAnd I see here in the notes, your receiver screen does not work.

22:33SPEAKERMy receiver screen stopped working about a year ago.

22:35SPEAKERI talked, we talked a little bit then.

22:37SPEAKERYeah.

22:38SPEAKERWe've talked about this.

22:39SPEAKERMy screen also stopped working and I had it fixed at a local repair shop for a hundred

22:42SPEAKERbucks.

22:43SPEAKEROh, that's more than I'm going to spend?

22:44SPEAKERYeah.

22:45SPEAKERAt this point it's way too old to sync.

22:46SPEAKERThis was years ago.

22:47SPEAKERMy, my screen started blinking out like a year after I got it or something.

22:52SPEAKEROh, see mine, mine.

22:53SPEAKERSo mine lives in a cabinet.

22:54SPEAKERSo I didn't realize it had conked out until my daughter was like, does this have a screen?

22:58SPEAKERI was like, yeah, it has a screen.

23:00SPEAKERAnd she was like, it doesn't.

23:01SPEAKERI don't think it has a screen, dad.

23:02SPEAKERI was like, Oh, you must press the button that turns it off.

23:04SPEAKERIt was like, no, it's just the, the 10 years of whatever the cold cathode tubes or whatever

23:09SPEAKERis in there.

23:10SPEAKERYeah.

23:11SPEAKERI might, I might be done with Sony receivers after this experience.

23:13SPEAKERLike, I mean, it lasted 10 years, but again, my, the screen on mine, like I said, within

23:19SPEAKERlike a year or two of buying it started crapping out, like I had it fixed probably seven years

23:23SPEAKERago or more.

23:25SPEAKEROkay.

23:26SPEAKERLike the point is it's like an endemic like quality control issue or build quality issue.

23:31SPEAKERLike I have, I have pretty low tolerance for like shoddy manufacturing on stuff, or that's

23:36SPEAKERlike a, like I'm, you know, I'm having problems with this preprocessor, this DBX that are

23:40SPEAKERpretty common to the model it seems.

23:42SPEAKERAnd that's the, that is, I have zero tolerance for that kind of thing.

23:46SPEAKERLike if you're, if you're just going to poorly make your product to the point that like,

23:50SPEAKERthere's a high probability you're going to run into these problems because you just didn't

23:53SPEAKERlike you, you did not spring for the good solder or whatever.

23:56SPEAKERLike no, thank you.

23:57SPEAKERThis is why I don't I don't use focus, right.

24:00SPEAKERAudio interfaces anymore.

24:01SPEAKERCause they traditionally have really terrible windows problems.

24:04SPEAKERMy receiver starting to sound weird.

24:06SPEAKEROh, I don't have that.

24:07SPEAKERAnd I was talking to some people on the discord about it and like, it's this is, this is increasingly

24:13SPEAKERbeen watching.

24:14SPEAKERIt's a lot of TV this spring and it's increasingly been in revealing itself as we have watched

24:17SPEAKERlike Shogun and Severance and it's kind of really jacking up our and or run right now.

24:24SPEAKEROh no.

24:25SPEAKERIt's just, it's just like really, it's subtle like my girlfriend really doesn't hear it,

24:29SPEAKERbut I did it's like nails on a chalkboard to me.

24:32SPEAKERIt's just like this subtle high pitched, like sort of screeching kind of, it's like distortion

24:38SPEAKERwhen the audio gets pretty loud, like you can just hear a really high pitched like screech.

24:42SPEAKERThat's not good.

24:44SPEAKERAnd the consensus on the discords seem to be that like, you know, this is, I've had

24:47SPEAKERthis thing for 11 years.

24:48SPEAKERLike the electronics might actually just be going at this point.

24:52SPEAKERLike it just might need new capacitors or something.

24:54SPEAKERI mean, look, stuff does, stuff does wear out over time, right?

24:58SPEAKEROf course.

24:59SPEAKERAbsolutely.

25:00SPEAKERLike I, the, the bigger question though is, and I have opened this thing up myself before

25:04SPEAKERfor reasons I can't remember, it might've been related to the screen not working, but

25:07SPEAKERthe question is, is it actually worth trying to fix at this point?

25:13SPEAKERProbably not.

25:14SPEAKERWell, the question for me is like, do you still have your channels hooked up?

25:18SPEAKERNo, I've got, that's a whole other topic.

25:20SPEAKERI've, I've got two speakers, like I've, I've got a 2.0 set up.

25:23SPEAKERSo like in some sense, like any amount of receiver is almost too much for me.

25:27SPEAKERLike, like that's where I'm at too, because we've, we've talked about this a lot and I

25:32SPEAKERthink we're just going to buy a soundbar next time.

25:34SPEAKERYeah, I can get that.

25:35SPEAKERI mean, the, the biggest reason I like a receiver is to multiply HDMI ports at this point and

25:40SPEAKERto drive speakers.

25:41SPEAKERI mean, I need something to drive speakers and I need something ideally to add more HDMI

25:46SPEAKERports.

25:47SPEAKERSo you still play games.

25:48SPEAKERSo, so my consoles are all plugged into the PC in my office because like the contention

25:51SPEAKERfor the TV is high.

25:53SPEAKERRight.

25:54SPEAKERSo I know I've got, ideally at a minimum, ideally I'm going to have an Xbox PS5.

26:00SPEAKERLike it would be nice to have a hookup for a PC, although I don't have a PC in there

26:02SPEAKERcurrently.

26:03SPEAKERSwitch 2 presumably.

26:04SPEAKERI would like to, and a Switch 2.

26:05SPEAKERYeah.

26:06SPEAKERAnd, and so this will, this is very much going to get to the next topic on my list here,

26:10SPEAKERwhich is also TV related.

26:12SPEAKERProbably going to get an Apple TV or something similar.

26:14SPEAKERIt'll probably be an Apple TV.

26:15SPEAKERI'm going to go and tell you, I, I am a strong advocate for the Apple TV.

26:20SPEAKERIt's I think it's so it's funny.

26:22SPEAKERI realized the other day, cause I was playing and the kiddo felt bad and we were laying

26:26SPEAKERin our bedroom watching TV back there, which has an older Apple TV plugged into it.

26:31SPEAKERAnd I realized that I didn't know how to change the volume on that TV anymore cause I almost

26:34SPEAKERalways just use it with headphones in and, and that process of using headphones on it

26:39SPEAKERis so seamless that like you don't, and the big, the other big benefits, they don't track

26:44SPEAKERstuff, right?

26:45SPEAKERLike the, the amount of data that comes off of a Roku these days is remarkable.

26:51SPEAKERThere is one device that consistently triggers like an alarm in my pie hole dashboard and

26:55SPEAKERit's the Roku.

26:56SPEAKERYeah.

26:57SPEAKERI got rid of my Roku because of that.

26:58SPEAKERThe Roku gets rate limited a lot by the pie or not rate limited, but it throws a flag

27:04SPEAKERsaying like, Hey, this device is like really trying to contact something constantly.

27:08SPEAKERYeah.

27:09SPEAKERAnd, and so the Apple TV doesn't do that stuff, which is really nice.

27:12SPEAKERYeah.

27:13SPEAKERSo I'll, I'll, so I'll, I'll get to the Apple TV thing in a second, but just to finish on

27:16SPEAKERthe receiver the consensus, and this was like six in the morning before I was about to leave

27:21SPEAKERfor the courthouse one morning this week, so I didn't have time to get too deep into

27:25SPEAKERit.

27:26SPEAKERBut the consensus talking to people in the discord was that an oscilloscope might reveal

27:29SPEAKERthe problem with the receiver.

27:31SPEAKERAnd that made me realize that I don't actually even know how an oscilloscope would interface

27:35SPEAKERwith something like that.

27:36SPEAKERAre there, are there leads that you hook up to like?

27:40SPEAKERYeah.

27:41SPEAKERYou connected, you connected to certain, you, you, the service manual tells you where to

27:44SPEAKERconnect it.

27:45SPEAKERAnd it tells you what shape the curve should be.

27:47SPEAKEROh, is there like a dial, like a standard diagnostic port or, or diagnostic contact,

27:52SPEAKERor are you hooking it up to each capacitor?

27:54SPEAKERLike, I guess, I guess let me step back and say, I barely know what an oscilloscope is

27:58SPEAKEReven measuring other than like what signal integrity or something.

28:00SPEAKERYeah.

28:01SPEAKERIt shows you the signal, right?

28:02SPEAKERIt lets you visualize the signal that's going across a wire.

28:05SPEAKERSo you connect it to like pin three and pin seven on an EPROM or the two leads on a capacitor

28:11SPEAKERor whatever.

28:12SPEAKERYeah.

28:13SPEAKEROkay.

28:14SPEAKERAnd like, you want it to be square or sign shaped or cosine shaped or, you know, whatever.

28:20SPEAKERSo, but like, I think troubleshooting something with an oscilloscope is a, is a skill, is

28:29SPEAKERa skill job.

28:30SPEAKERI mean, look, flea markets next weekend, there's always oscilloscopes for sale down there.

28:37SPEAKERYou know, you could, you could get an oscilloscope, get three, come back with three oscilloscopes,

28:41SPEAKERbe good to go.

28:42SPEAKERNow we're talking.

28:43SPEAKERYeah.

28:44SPEAKERWhat the kids crave.

28:45SPEAKEROscilloscopes.

28:46SPEAKERYeah.

28:47SPEAKERLooking around a little bit.

28:48SPEAKERLike there's a, there's a Denon receiver that's like 400 bucks that pretty much meets my needs.

28:52SPEAKERLike if this really, the bigger, the bigger thing is isolating the problem and saying,

28:55SPEAKERyes, it's definitely the receiver that's causing the problem because I don't want to, I don't

28:59SPEAKERwant to replace that box and then find out the problem is still there because it was

29:02SPEAKERactually something else, but it seems like the receiver is the most likely culprit.

29:05SPEAKERBut if it is opening that thing up and trying to fix it seems like probably a fool's errand

29:10SPEAKERat this point for an 11 year old receiver, when I could just buy a new one that's got

29:14SPEAKERmore modern features.

29:16SPEAKERI mean, just because you're using as an HDMI multiplexer, the, the version of HDMI on that

29:22SPEAKERreceiver is going to be your problem.

29:24SPEAKERLike you can't plug the PS5 and the Xbox series in there.

29:28SPEAKERYeah.

29:29SPEAKERSo the, the, the two, those two consoles go into straight into the TV cause I've only

29:32SPEAKERgot two 2.1 ports on the TV.

29:34SPEAKERAnd so those, anytime I run the cable down the hall from the PC, I have to unplug one

29:37SPEAKERof the consoles.

29:38SPEAKERYeah.

29:39SPEAKERAnd I have to recycle on those HDMI cables too.

29:42SPEAKERYes.

29:43SPEAKERBut anyway, I probably come to replace it.

29:46SPEAKERIt's a bummer to me that no soundbars have multiple HDMI ports or alternately I would

29:52SPEAKERlike, the, the, the thing that has kept me from doing this is that I can't find a soundbar

29:56SPEAKERthat has multiple HDMI, enough HDMI, as many HDMI ports as I want.

29:59SPEAKERWhat I really want is one for the Apple TV, one for the Switch and or Steam Deck and one

30:07SPEAKERfor Steam Deck dock, I guess, technically.

30:10SPEAKERAnd then an extra one for the times that I do drag the PS5 into the living room to play

30:14SPEAKERa game with the kiddo or something.

30:17SPEAKERAnd like, nobody has three, everybody has two or maybe just one.

30:21SPEAKERYeah.

30:22SPEAKERSo yeah, it almost feels like there's a segment of the market that is underserved in AV and

30:26SPEAKERliving room AV.

30:27SPEAKERI mean, like it's almost certainly, I'm trying to, I'm trying to figure out what that even

30:31SPEAKERis though.

30:32SPEAKERIs it like a basic speaker amp or, you know, basic amp for like some number of speakers?

30:37SPEAKERLike, I mean, honestly, I'm trying to think what's, what is not being served by the receiver

30:42SPEAKERmarket already or the soundbar market.

30:43SPEAKERThere's like, there's like some combination of like, I need like a couple extra ports

30:46SPEAKERand like two speakers or two speakers in a subwoofer or something like that.

30:50SPEAKERI mean, honestly, an HDMI switch that, that worked with the consumer, with the CEC stuff

30:56SPEAKERwould be fine or ARC, eARC, whatever would be, would be fine too, probably.

31:00SPEAKERRight.

31:01SPEAKERBut I don't, I don't know that those exist.

31:04SPEAKERI haven't looked for them in a while, but it's a weird space.

31:08SPEAKERYeah.

31:09SPEAKERThat interference or that distortion could not be speaker related, could it?

31:13SPEAKERIt could be something on the wire between your speakers because that's an analog wire.

31:19SPEAKERIt's not really well shielded.

31:20SPEAKERYeah.

31:21SPEAKERI mean, I haven't, I haven't touched anything in the setup in like years, you know, so it's

31:24SPEAKERlike, but, but the, like the speaker wire I believe is from before I moved out here,

31:27SPEAKERit's like 20, like 25 years old, but it's like, it just sits there, you know, unless

31:31SPEAKERlike corroded on the ends or something.

31:33SPEAKERWell, I think it's fine.

31:34SPEAKERI think it's more likely that you have something that's bleeding signal into those wires.

31:40SPEAKERCause like, if you, if you run those, like those, like I said, those wires aren't particularly

31:45SPEAKERwell shielded generally.

31:47SPEAKERThey're definitely not balanced or anything like that.

31:48SPEAKERSo they don't cancel out noise.

31:50SPEAKERSo you're, you're going to want, like, I would lift, honestly, what I would do is make it

31:55SPEAKERloud enough that you hear the problem and then lift the wires up off the floor or move

32:00SPEAKERthe route and see if that changes things.

32:02SPEAKERYeah.

32:03SPEAKERPart of the problem is it's so intermittent that it's one of those things that's hard

32:06SPEAKERto reproduce.

32:07SPEAKERLike I can't, I can't force it to happen or it doesn't even necessarily happen on the

32:10SPEAKERsame sound over and over.

32:12SPEAKERIt seems very sporadic.

32:13SPEAKERSo that, that to me says it could be signal interference too.

32:16SPEAKERCause like if it's only happening when your PS5 is pulling an update down cause it's crossing

32:22SPEAKERthe network wire to say at a weird place or something like that, that could do it.

32:25SPEAKERWell, okay.

32:26SPEAKERActually.

32:27SPEAKERIt's like if it, if it was like network activity or something, cause there is like a cheap

32:30SPEAKERmono price gigabit switch plugged into the receiver or vice versa, like the receiver's

32:34SPEAKERgot an ethernet cable.

32:36SPEAKERSo for all I know, it could be something like that switch going bad and passing interference

32:39SPEAKERalong or something.

32:40SPEAKERBut I don't, I don't think it's anything upstream of the receiver because it seems to happen

32:45SPEAKERwith any given source.

32:47SPEAKERLike whether it's the TV sending audio to the receiver or whether it's like air playing

32:51SPEAKERsomething straight to the receiver, you know what I mean?

32:52SPEAKERIt's not any one device that is generating it because it seems to be between the receiver

32:56SPEAKERand the speakers.

32:57SPEAKERThat, yes, that's what, that's what it seems like.

32:59SPEAKERSo, so yeah.

33:00SPEAKERMove the wires.

33:01SPEAKERYeah.

33:02SPEAKERWell maybe I'll give that a try and see if that helps.

33:04SPEAKERMaybe I thought about chopping the ends off and stripping some new wire to expose some,

33:08SPEAKERsome new ends.

33:09SPEAKERIf you're going to go to that much hassle, I'd just buy another $5 spool of wire.

33:12SPEAKERYeah, maybe.

33:13SPEAKEROkay.

33:14SPEAKERThis is Radio Shack speaker wire and I have a certain, there's like a certain place in

33:18SPEAKERmy heart for all the Radio Shack products I still use around here because they don't

33:21SPEAKERexist anymore.

33:22SPEAKERI don't think I, I, my favorite thing I ever bought at Radio Shack was a set of these $20

33:27SPEAKERindoor outdoor bookshelf speakers that were awesome and I gave them to my, my father at

33:32SPEAKERsome point.

33:33SPEAKERAnd then when he moved on from where he was using them, he left them.

33:37SPEAKERHmm.

33:38SPEAKERThat's sad.

33:39SPEAKERYeah.

33:40SPEAKERThat's sad.

33:41SPEAKERLet me fill in the detail that's got me thinking about the Apple TV again.

33:45SPEAKERYeah.

33:46SPEAKERI encountered, I don't know how new this is, but that, that Hisense TV is a Google TV as

33:50SPEAKERyou know.

33:51SPEAKERIs it powered by Gemini now?

33:53SPEAKERI believe it is.

33:54SPEAKERThat sounds bad.

33:55SPEAKERI couldn't find the word Gemini anywhere, but, you know, Hisense is not the only one

34:00SPEAKERlike TCL also makes Google TVs.

34:02SPEAKERI'm not sure who else.

34:05SPEAKEREverybody but Samsung and LG makes a Google TV at this point.

34:09SPEAKERI believe they're either Google or Roku and sometimes both like it TCL does Roku versions

34:14SPEAKERand Google versions.

34:15SPEAKERHisense does Google versions and Roku versions.

34:18SPEAKERI don't hate the interface by and large.

34:20SPEAKERLike it's fine.

34:21SPEAKERI'm sure that most, I am guessing most smart TV dashboard interfaces are kind of all created

34:26SPEAKERequal at this point.

34:27SPEAKERI mean, people seem to like web OS quite a bit.

34:29SPEAKERI would rather, my feelings about this are just, I would rather pay $150 and not see

34:34SPEAKERads on my TV.

34:35SPEAKERMy TV UI.

34:36SPEAKERYeah.

34:37SPEAKERIn my case, it's not the, it's not the paying for an Apple TV.

34:40SPEAKERIt's the giving up an HDMI port for it.

34:42SPEAKERLike I said, that's the thing for me is that I'm already out of ports.

34:45SPEAKERSo it's the, if it's, if it's built into the TV and I don't have to burn a port on it,

34:50SPEAKERI'm going to use it even if it's, if it's not ideal, but it's coming, it's becoming

34:53SPEAKEReven less ideal over time.

34:56SPEAKERSo I assume they all do this, but the Google TV aggregates, like at the very top of the

35:00SPEAKERdashboard, when you turn it on, it aggregates like every app and service you have installed.

35:04SPEAKERThere's like a, there's like, really you're shaking your head.

35:07SPEAKERI mean, I know Apple TV doesn't do that because the TV just has a grid, right?

35:10SPEAKERBecause you're, you're just launching apps there.

35:12SPEAKERSo I'm talking all the built-in ones, like the Amazon fire TV and Roku and yeah, it's

35:18SPEAKERjust, it's like shows up like an input on your device, I think is what I've seen.

35:21SPEAKERMaybe Google TV is unique in this, but what it's doing is it's pulling content out of

35:25SPEAKERevery app I have installed.

35:27SPEAKERSo like YouTube, Disney Plus, I know you're sticking your tongue out.

35:30SPEAKERI kind of agree with you.

35:32SPEAKERLike it'll be like, you know, it's a carousel.

35:34SPEAKERIt's a standard carousel of content, a horizontal one, but it'll be like, here's a, here's a

35:40SPEAKERvideo from YouTube based on your recommendations in YouTube.

35:43SPEAKERNext unit over here is Andor from Disney Plus and if you click it, it'll launch the Disney

35:47SPEAKERPlus app.

35:48SPEAKERAnd here's something from Tubi, like it's, it's aggregating.

35:51SPEAKEREverybody loves Tubi.

35:52SPEAKERLike, well, yeah.

35:53SPEAKERAnd we'll get to that, but like it's specific pieces of content, but from each, from all

35:56SPEAKERthese different services, just like all mashed together into one carousel.

35:59SPEAKERRight.

36:00SPEAKERI was scrolling through that last night.

36:04SPEAKERThere's some real interesting knockoff material on Tubi.

36:08SPEAKERLet's say.

36:09SPEAKEROh, really?

36:10SPEAKERI came across a movie called Terminatrix.

36:11SPEAKERI wish I had a lady Terminator.

36:14SPEAKERIt sure is.

36:15SPEAKEROh man.

36:16SPEAKERThat sounds amazing.

36:17SPEAKERAnd I, I, I, I was just like, all right, I got to know who's in this.

36:20SPEAKEROh, it was the, the art.

36:24SPEAKERAre you looking it up?

36:25SPEAKERNo, I just got to Reckless Summer.

36:28SPEAKEROkay.

36:29SPEAKERThere's a lot of saucy foreign films on there loading on their homepage for this.

36:32SPEAKEROn Tubi?

36:33SPEAKEROn Tubi.

36:34SPEAKERTubi is, sounds like an interesting story.

36:35SPEAKERI've never watched anything on Tubi.

36:37SPEAKERI hear it's quite popular though.

36:38SPEAKERI mean, look, I love, cause it's free, right?

36:41SPEAKERIsn't that the whole thing with Tubi?

36:43SPEAKERIt's fully free and ad supported.

36:44SPEAKERI think it's like pretty big actually.

36:46SPEAKERI think it like quietly does huge numbers.

36:48SPEAKERThat makes sense.

36:49SPEAKERAnyway.

36:50SPEAKERSorry.

36:51SPEAKERI'll, I'll cut to the chase.

36:52SPEAKERI saw the Terminatrix like kind of key art and I thought I recognized one of the actors

36:55SPEAKERin it.

36:56SPEAKERI was like, who is that?

36:58SPEAKERAnd so I clicked through to try to expand like the summary.

37:02SPEAKERLike I clicked through to the page to get the, you know, the full screen, like here's

37:05SPEAKERall the info you're going to show me about this thing.

37:08SPEAKERThere were, there were units, there was like a description unit, like, you know, a technical

37:12SPEAKERwhatever unit in the description unit.

37:15SPEAKERI could see enough of the preview of the text.

37:16SPEAKEROkay.

37:17SPEAKERThis was a little bit hard to explain, but try to bear with me.

37:20SPEAKEROkay.

37:21SPEAKERThere was a, there was what appeared to be a human written description of this movie,

37:25SPEAKERright?

37:26SPEAKEROkay.

37:27SPEAKERLike, like a, you know, and it is a very much Terminator knockoff, but like in this

37:29SPEAKERdescription I could see like part of an actor's name in parentheses.

37:32SPEAKERSo I was like, okay, if I just click through and expand this to full screen, I'm going

37:37SPEAKERto be able to read this whole blurb and figure out who that actor is that I thought I recognized.

37:41SPEAKERExpanding the human written description for this movie instead opens an AI generated summary

37:49SPEAKERof the movie based on whatever data they have decided to feed to the AI.

37:55SPEAKERThere was no way to actually like, I could, again, I could see the preview of the normal

37:58SPEAKERhuman written thing.

38:00SPEAKERI just couldn't read the whole thing because instead it like Kool-Aid manned its way into

38:05SPEAKERlike the, like the AI generated Kool-Aid man burst in and said, Hey, what if you read the

38:09SPEAKERsummary instead?

38:10SPEAKERAnd it was like the most boiler plate, useless, like information free summary.

38:14SPEAKERYou can imagine no actor names, no nothing.

38:18SPEAKERI could not find any way to get to the actual full description, which again is in their

38:22SPEAKERbackend because I saw the first like line and a half of it in the little preview box.

38:28SPEAKERThis is the, like, this is you've, you've hit one of the things that really makes me

38:31SPEAKERcrazy about bad streaming apps because just to be clear, Apple TV is not immune to this.

38:36SPEAKERThe HBO or sorry, the max app is notorious for this because they'll get, they'll have

38:42SPEAKERan abbreviated description of the movie that you're watching.

38:45SPEAKERAnd then when you click on it, it just starts playing the movie.

38:48SPEAKERIt doesn't actually expand the description or it doesn't like there's no page that you

38:51SPEAKERcan see that this is that full description on I've seen stuff like that too.

38:55SPEAKERAnd that's also annoying, but this is like a whole extra level of offensive.

38:58SPEAKERThis is, this is, this is, but this is on to be, this isn't Google's fault.

39:02SPEAKERThis is Google's fault.

39:04SPEAKERThis is in the Google interface showing has the text and Google showing their AI generated

39:09SPEAKERnonsense.

39:10SPEAKERThat's exactly what it was.

39:11SPEAKERIt was cause this was, like I said, this was at the top level Google TV dashboard when

39:14SPEAKERyou first turned the TV on, like I said, like I said, it's pulling content from all of it.

39:18SPEAKERLike, so we would do the same thing for a Disney plus show or a YouTube video, presumably

39:22SPEAKERwhere they might have it, maybe they have it disabled for YouTube videos, but like I

39:26SPEAKERcouldn't find any kind of global toggle to just turn off AI generated descriptions and

39:31SPEAKERhints and whatever.

39:32SPEAKERAnd like I said, and again, like the content, the the short descriptions they're generating

39:38SPEAKERare our slop, just like a lot of the other things that come out of AI, like it's useless.

39:42SPEAKERLike it told me next to nothing about that actual movie.

39:44SPEAKERWhen I saw again, a description that was specific and did have actors in it that I want to like

39:49SPEAKERit.

39:50SPEAKERI mean, look, it's, it's grim.

39:55SPEAKERThe other thing you tagged on there is when they don't put actors, when they don't have

39:59SPEAKERthe list of actors in the film on the description pages for the streaming services, cause like

40:04SPEAKERsometimes I'm like, Oh, this has a, you know, this is a, it's a Brad Pitt movie.

40:08SPEAKERI'd like to watch it.

40:09SPEAKERI've seen this one before.

40:10SPEAKERMaybe I'd see another Brad Pitt movie or when Val Kilmer died, I was like, I'm gonna watch

40:14SPEAKERsome Val Kilmer movies.

40:15SPEAKERAnd I, and honestly, the only one that gives you a really good interface for that stuff

40:19SPEAKERis Plex because you can drill through right, right through into the, like the actor pages

40:25SPEAKERand see everything on Plex and the services that you subscribe to that has that actor

40:30SPEAKERin it.

40:31SPEAKERIt's it's anyway.

40:32SPEAKERYeah.

40:33SPEAKERThis, this is like, we've kind of, we've kind of balkanized video delivery systems to the

40:41SPEAKERpoint that some of them are good and some are bad.

40:44SPEAKERAnd I often end up watching stuff on Disney plus or or Paramount, no, not Paramount Netflix,

40:54SPEAKERbecause the apps are pretty good.

40:56SPEAKERLike, but just, just because the user experience of using those apps is less painful than using

41:01SPEAKERmax or Paramount or peacock or God help you if you have to go look at something on Amazon,

41:07SPEAKERit's the worst.

41:08SPEAKERYep.

41:09SPEAKERI know.

41:10SPEAKERAnd anyway, this is what's got me thinking about buying an Apple TV again, because as

41:13SPEAKERfar as I know, it is the least shitty version of what I'm describing.

41:16SPEAKERLike, it sounds like they have very, very little of this kind of thing.

41:19SPEAKERAnd I, again, I, I went to the root of my Google account to see if I could, and it actually,

41:25SPEAKERmaybe I should still drill in on the PC.

41:27SPEAKERI was using the Google app on iOS and couldn't find any settings there.

41:31SPEAKERMaybe there are some, there's no settings dude, are there not, I guarantee you, they

41:35SPEAKERdon't let you give you granular control over that that doesn't exist inside the Android

41:39SPEAKERTV interface.

41:40SPEAKEROkay.

41:41SPEAKERYeah.

41:42SPEAKERCause I went through every single setting on that TV and could not find a way to turn

41:44SPEAKERthis stuff off.

41:45SPEAKERAnd I'm guessing there's just no global toggle for the Gemini shit.

41:51SPEAKERI had a, I had a really dark moment when that, when that happened last night of just like,

41:56SPEAKERwe're heading for a new dark age, aren't we?

41:57SPEAKERBecause like the, the, the way that description read was that they had like tuned the model

42:02SPEAKERto spit out the shortest and most generic thing it possibly could like it, what it reminded

42:07SPEAKERme of was the, I'm sure you've heard about this move in content creation that places

42:11SPEAKERlike Netflix to make like sort of, I guess lower engagement content is the way to put

42:16SPEAKERit.

42:17SPEAKERLike they want to make movies that people can watch while they're on their phones.

42:19SPEAKERYou've heard about all this shit, audio dramas with pictures attached, right?

42:22SPEAKERLike it very much, very much read like that sort of thing of just like, we need to make

42:26SPEAKERsomething that is as short and generic as possible because people are not even going

42:29SPEAKERto pay attention to what they're reading anymore.

42:31SPEAKERLike, like any amount of like depth or nuances just being sanded off now.

42:35SPEAKERLike I had a really dire moment of just like, like knowledge and information are just being

42:40SPEAKERdestroyed systematically, aren't they?

42:43SPEAKERI, I well, that's a grim thought.

42:46SPEAKERI don't, I, I think it's more, so I tend to go with the less malicious thought that somebody

42:54SPEAKERwas like, Hey, we need to get our AI usage at Google up.

42:57SPEAKERAnd they're like, well, where can we jam it in?

42:58SPEAKERAnd it's just like the it's just like why your, why your windows start menu started searching

43:04SPEAKERBing results a few years ago, right?

43:06SPEAKERSomebody needed Bing numbers to go up and that was an easy way to make Bing numbers

43:09SPEAKERgo up.

43:10SPEAKERAnd, and, you know, putting every Android TV, I'm going to go ahead and tell you, has

43:15SPEAKERsomebody who hasn't really engaged with any of the Android TVs or Roku's when we go to

43:19SPEAKERan Airbnb and often we don't turn the TV on to Airbnbs, but sometimes you're like caught

43:24SPEAKERin a snowstorm or something and you got to, got to watch some TV, I'm always blown away

43:29SPEAKERby how shitty the Roku and Google TV experiences are just in general, like, like the number

43:36SPEAKERof the volume of ads that you get when you, when you log into the homepage of one of those

43:42SPEAKERthings is shocking.

43:44SPEAKERAnd I think Roku was the one that was worse, worse about this Roku, Roku, like the ads

43:49SPEAKERare like embedded in the dashboard and those are, to be clear, those are like traditional

43:53SPEAKERdisplay ads, like webpage style, like CPM style display ads, like Google TV at least

43:58SPEAKERdoes not have that.

43:59SPEAKERLike they're definitely, they're definitely shunting like sponsored content at you, but

44:02SPEAKERthat's carousel is algorithmic and they can be promoting stuff based on.

44:06SPEAKERAnd the, what people pay them.

44:08SPEAKERYeah.

44:09SPEAKERBut the difference is in the Roku example, you've got a carousel of sponsored content

44:12SPEAKERand then like a banner ad around that, which at least Google TV does not have.

44:16SPEAKERI mean, I'd, maybe I've become somewhat a nerd to the experience on the Google TV.

44:21SPEAKERLike it, by and large, it's usable, but this AI thing has been a bridge too far.

44:25SPEAKERWell, so, okay, so this is a good bridge into what I was going to talk about next.

44:29SPEAKERI got, so I had to reinstall windows on a laptop that I used the other day and as part

44:36SPEAKERof doing the testing for the clean versus dirty windows thing, I had to reinstall windows

44:39SPEAKERa couple of times and move some stuff around.

44:41SPEAKERAnd I got kind of annoyed at windows at the amount that windows is trying to sell me stuff

44:47SPEAKERat the, at the, like the latest version of windows now pops up a thing.

44:50SPEAKERIf you're not using one drive to back up your profile folders, which actually doesn't back

44:53SPEAKERup any of the data that I actually use, as we talked about last week, and they finally

44:57SPEAKERadded a way that you can turn off the little bug that says, Hey, your, your computer is

45:01SPEAKERnot backed up every time you're in file Explorer, but I shouldn't have to do that.

45:05SPEAKERRight.

45:06SPEAKERLike I shouldn't have to have these terrible experiences.

45:09SPEAKERI installed windows seven on a VM to test something out and man, windows seven was real

45:14SPEAKERgood, Brad.

45:15SPEAKERYeah, it was fun.

45:16SPEAKERI mean, I think a pair of experts once said it was the best one that was ever made.

45:22SPEAKERThat seems like something we would send, but anyway, I installed Linux.

45:26SPEAKERWe talked about it a little bit on the patron episode last month, I think I'm still working

45:31SPEAKERon getting it to a point that I can use it as a daily driver.

45:34SPEAKERAnd unfortunately, a lot of the stuff I've been doing, like the micro starter testing,

45:36SPEAKERI couldn't do in Linux, obviously.

45:38SPEAKERSo a lot of my day to day has been in windows, but I think I'm at the point now that I can

45:42SPEAKERrecord the podcast and stuff like that in Linux.

45:48SPEAKERI wondered, I have this bootloader issue where I have two Linuxes and two windowses popping

45:52SPEAKERup on my, on my camera, which bootloader I'm using reunify, maybe it's all right.

45:59SPEAKERMy bootloader is re it's something re something refined, refined.

46:04SPEAKEROkay.

46:05SPEAKERCan I, this might be my most pedantic moment.

46:08SPEAKERYeah.

46:09SPEAKERLike seriously.

46:10SPEAKERAnd I know I've probably had a few, as you know, technically refined is my boot manager,

46:14SPEAKERnot a bootloader.

46:15SPEAKEROkay.

46:16SPEAKERThank you, Brad.

46:17SPEAKERThe bootloader is a thing that it loads an operating system kernel refined is basically

46:22SPEAKERan intermediary that just loads a bootloader scans for bootloaders.

46:26SPEAKERYeah.

46:27SPEAKERSo refined is a boot manager that then loads a bootloader that then loads an operating

46:32SPEAKERsystem.

46:33SPEAKERThank you for the correction.

46:34SPEAKERI appreciate it.

46:35SPEAKERYou're welcome.

46:36SPEAKERBut anyway, so it has, it has a windows EFI partition that doesn't boot and it has a Linux

46:42SPEAKEREFI partition that doesn't boot.

46:44SPEAKERSo there's four things in this boot manager.

46:46SPEAKEROh yeah.

46:47SPEAKERBut only two of them work.

46:49SPEAKERYeah.

46:50SPEAKERIt's cause refined scans for anything it thinks it possibly could, or sorry, let me rephrase

46:54SPEAKERthat.

46:55SPEAKERI think it possibly could be a bootloader so if it finds like other EFI executables

47:01SPEAKERthat may or may not actually be valid for loading an OS, it'll list those two just cause

47:05SPEAKERit's kind of, it's giving you everything you can go into the configuration file and tell

47:08SPEAKERit like you can only show these two, you can set all kinds of exclusions based on path

47:12SPEAKERor type or all these other ways to, to kind of tidy up that list.

47:17SPEAKERCause I'm okay with them being there, but it's kind of annoying to look at them every

47:20SPEAKERtime I boot.

47:21SPEAKERAnd when they first, when, when you first load it and you're looking at all these icons,

47:25SPEAKERit's not always apparent which one is the one you should actually run to load the OS.

47:28SPEAKERWell, I mean, it's clearly the second Linux in the first window, so that's what I know

47:32SPEAKERnow, but it took me a little bit of trial and error.

47:35SPEAKERWhen I, there have been moments when I was like deep into my Linux tinkering a couple

47:39SPEAKERmonths ago, which I really need to get back to when I have time.

47:42SPEAKERBut there were, there were points when I had like three different USB Linux installers

47:47SPEAKERfor like, I don't know, I think I had like pop OS fedora and maybe Nix OS all at the

47:52SPEAKERsame time.

47:53SPEAKERAnd I had installed multiple distros.

47:56SPEAKERThere were like 20 plus icons, 20 plus different things to boot that refine found between different

48:03SPEAKERboot loaders and like, you know, secure boot key utilities, like any EFI binary had found

48:09SPEAKERit listed on there and it gets messy.

48:10SPEAKERIt gets extremely messy very quickly.

48:12SPEAKERAnd I assume I haven't dug into the conflict files for this, but I assume I can do things

48:15SPEAKERlike adjust the names for the names and stuff for the images and all that.

48:21SPEAKERYou can customize it and actually make it look pretty nice.

48:24SPEAKERMine, mine is like pretty slick looking now, but when I actually, I actually ended up turning

48:27SPEAKERoff the auto detect entirely.

48:31SPEAKERAnd instead I just go in and manually make a new entry every time I want to add an operating

48:34SPEAKERsystem to boot.

48:35SPEAKEROkay.

48:36SPEAKERThat seems easy.

48:37SPEAKERRefind is really neat.

48:38SPEAKERLike, I mean, to be clear, it's really neat for the type of person who wants to manually

48:43SPEAKERmanage their EFI system partition and like really know how the operating system boots

48:48SPEAKERand customize that behavior.

48:49SPEAKERLike if you're, if you're happy with the way your computer works out of the box, then forget

48:52SPEAKERthis thing exists.

48:53SPEAKERBut like if you want, if you want a neat little graphical menu at the, when you start your

48:58SPEAKERcomputer to choose between operating systems, you can do a lot with it.

49:00SPEAKERIt's much easier than using grub.

49:02SPEAKERYeah.

49:03SPEAKERI am not a big grub fan at all.

49:04SPEAKERIn fact, I can't use grub and we should not get into it, but grub has got this persistent

49:08SPEAKERissue on this machine.

49:10SPEAKERI think it's something about this specific ASUS board that I'm using.

49:13SPEAKEROh, it doesn't like it?

49:16SPEAKERGrub throws an out of memory error with a ton of different distros booting on this machine,

49:20SPEAKERunless I finally figured out if I disabled the entire TPM.

49:23SPEAKEROh, that's really weird.

49:25SPEAKERLiterally turn off the whole trusted platform subsystem in the BIOS, then grub will work

49:30SPEAKERon this machine.

49:31SPEAKERIt's I think it's one of those things where Linux is still not great on like bleeding

49:35SPEAKERedge hardware.

49:36SPEAKERYou know, like a motherboard that just came out in the last year, you're probably still

49:39SPEAKERgoing to run into issues here and there.

49:42SPEAKERYeah.

49:43SPEAKERWell, I mean, grub seems like it's not great with GPT also, which is, you know.

49:49SPEAKERYeah.

49:50SPEAKERI even, even in the Linux world, I mean, we're, we're really getting into it here, but system

49:53SPEAKERD boot seems like it's probably, it's more popular than grub these days, or like maybe

49:58SPEAKERit's, it's more minimal and more reliable.

50:00SPEAKERI gather that's, that's what it's funny.

50:02SPEAKERThe cache EOS install guide had a really good, which boot manager slash loader should you

50:09SPEAKERuse?

50:10SPEAKERAnd they went through all of them.

50:11SPEAKERIt was like, and, and the recommendations were a system D boot and refined.

50:16SPEAKERYeah.

50:17SPEAKERYeah.

50:18SPEAKERI, I, for, for numerous reasons, I kind of intend to never use grub again, if I can help

50:23SPEAKERit.

50:24SPEAKERYeah.

50:25SPEAKERIt seems like it's the right choice.

50:26SPEAKERBrad, do you think that's a good, as good a place as I need to wrap it up?

50:28SPEAKERI think so.

50:29SPEAKERWhat do you think audience?

50:30SPEAKERPause for reply.

50:32SPEAKERYeah.

50:33SPEAKERYeah.

50:34SPEAKERYeah.

50:35SPEAKERLike we said, sorry if this, this one's a little shorter and less focused also apologies

50:38SPEAKERif the, if the editing is slightly less tight over the next couple of weeks, but time is

50:43SPEAKERshort.

50:44SPEAKERIt seems it is.

50:46SPEAKERIf people have questions about the Linux stuff, I'm doing more Linux stuff in the newsletter.

50:50SPEAKERAnd like, if you have quite like, I'm not going to do like how to install Linux guides.

50:55SPEAKERCause I assume that people are going to be able to follow, like, I'll say, Hey, go, go

50:58SPEAKERto this, follow the instructions on this page, but if people have specific questions about

51:02SPEAKERstuff further down the pipeline, we can, I I'd love to know what you, what you're curious

51:05SPEAKERabout and we'll write about, we'll talk about in the podcast.

51:08SPEAKERYeah.

51:09SPEAKERWe, we will do like a real proper desktop Linux episode at some points, although at

51:13SPEAKERthis point it's going to be like mid July, I think before I can get back to this.

51:17SPEAKERWell, it's, it's been interesting to me finding out the places where like, there's a lot of

51:23SPEAKERstuff that just works.

51:24SPEAKERYeah.

51:25SPEAKERThere's a lot of stuff that I think is probably never going to work.

51:27SPEAKERLike Fortnite.

51:29SPEAKERBut then there's a lot of stuff that's kind of in the, more stuff than I expected in that

51:33SPEAKERin between I expected to have everything just work or everything be in between, I mean,

51:37SPEAKERor everything not work at all.

51:39SPEAKERAnd there's a lot of gray area of like kind of user compiled ports of, you know, software

51:47SPEAKERthat vendors have like notion.

51:48SPEAKERThere's a version of notion for Ubuntu and for Fedora and the, the people have recompiled

51:54SPEAKERthat for a repackage that rather for the distro that I'm using.

51:59SPEAKERSo if I choose to use that, then I can, or I can just, you know, I can put it in a, in

52:04SPEAKERa, what do you call it?

52:05SPEAKERShell myself.

52:06SPEAKERSo anyway, we are, it's a, it's, it's been, it's been fun learning.

52:09SPEAKERIt's a lot different than the last time I tried to use Linux on the desktop in, I think

52:13SPEAKER2004.

52:14SPEAKEROh yeah.

52:15SPEAKERThat's not the Linux or just Linux world in general has gotten crazy in the last few years

52:18SPEAKERwith different container formats for applications and stuff like that.

52:22SPEAKERIt's pretty good.

52:23SPEAKERYeah.

52:24SPEAKERUh, that'll do it for us this, this week.

52:27SPEAKERThanks everybody for listening.

52:28SPEAKERAs always, if you want to support the show, we are a listener supported show, so we wouldn't

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52:44SPEAKERyou liked this episode, you will find a lot more of those in the, in the feed for the

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52:48SPEAKERYeah.

52:49SPEAKERAlthough that one fair warning gets way more rambly even than this.

52:53SPEAKERYeah.

52:54SPEAKERThat's true.

52:55SPEAKERSometimes, sometimes not.

52:56SPEAKERYeah.

52:57SPEAKERYeah.

52:58SPEAKERSometimes it's quite serious.

52:59SPEAKEROther times we're talking about revenge of the Sith or weird candy for 20 minutes.

53:03SPEAKERI think that, yeah.

53:04SPEAKERI mean, look, man, we can talk about weird candy anytime you want.

53:06SPEAKERYeah.

53:07SPEAKERI did.

53:08SPEAKERI did go see revenge of the Sith in the theater.

53:09SPEAKERI, well, you talked about that.

53:10SPEAKERI didn't.

53:11SPEAKERDid I tell you that I had, Oh, I was thinking when we talked, I was debating whether to

53:15SPEAKERgo.

53:16SPEAKERDid I, had I already been?

53:17SPEAKERYou had been.

53:18SPEAKERWe did.

53:19SPEAKERWe did.

53:20SPEAKEROkay.

53:21SPEAKERI missed it.

53:22SPEAKERI screwed up and was a day late.

53:23SPEAKERBut also I couldn't get my, my, I finally got my daughter to watch the first one Phantom

53:28SPEAKERMenace and she's like, she was, she's 12 generally pro.

53:34SPEAKERShe was like, I like Padme.

53:36SPEAKERShe seems better than Princess Leia.

53:37SPEAKERAnd I was like, Oh man, you got, so you're in for some disappointment later on.

53:41SPEAKERBut, and, and she, she thought Jar Jar was fine, but not, was not repulsed by Jar Jar.

53:50SPEAKERShe said the graphics were okay.

53:52SPEAKERAnd I was like, you realize this is the first movie that they ever shot on digital all the

53:54SPEAKERway through.

53:55SPEAKERAnd she was like, but I don't know what that means.

53:56SPEAKERAnd I explained it.

53:57SPEAKERAnd then she was like, okay, that's kind of cool.

53:59SPEAKERI'm resisting an old man yelling at cloud moment here.

54:03SPEAKERThis is nothing, nothing against your daughter.

54:05SPEAKERI see people doing this all over the place.

54:07SPEAKERPeople referring to graphics and movies.

54:10SPEAKERYeah.

54:11SPEAKERIt's, I think that that is a battle I am going to lose.

54:14SPEAKERYeah.

54:15SPEAKERI got bad news for you, Brad.

54:17SPEAKERHer TLDR on it though was she was like, Oh, so tariffs, people cared about tariffs back

54:24SPEAKERthen too.

54:25SPEAKERAnd I was like, well, I got bad news for you, George Lucas thought leader saw it all coming.

54:31SPEAKERAnyway.

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54:49SPEAKERThank you all so much.

54:50SPEAKERAnd that'll do it for us this week.

54:53SPEAKERAgain, if you want to find out how to support the show, you can go to patreon.com/techpot.

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55:05SPEAKERSo we love reviews on wherever podcasts are found, but especially iTunes, it seems like

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55:11SPEAKERAnd maybe Deezer because we always talk about Deezer on the folder now for some reason,

55:14SPEAKERI don't know.

55:15SPEAKERAnyway.

55:16SPEAKERAlso, I just said thank you to the patrons, but my mic was muted, so nobody heard it,

55:21SPEAKERbut Hey, thank you.

55:22SPEAKERPatrons.

55:23SPEAKERI thought, I thought I saw your mouth moving.

55:24SPEAKERBrad, I hope you feel better and enjoy your next week at civic duty.

55:30SPEAKERAnd we will be back next week with another edition of the tech pod.

55:33SPEAKERSee y'all then.

55:35SPEAKERAnd please consider the environment before printing this podcast, Brad made a face.

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