28: Low Bidet-lability

00:00SPEAKERI keep hearing people talk about stock markets,

00:02SPEAKERand what the hell is a stock market?

00:04SPEAKER- You know, it's a video game about collecting things

00:07SPEAKERand capitalism and building an island in your own image

00:10SPEAKERand hanging out with friends.

00:13SPEAKERI don't, I can't explain what Animal Crossing is.

00:16SPEAKER- Is this in-game betting come to the Nintendo Switch?

00:18SPEAKERIs that what's happening?

00:20SPEAKER- It's the Sow Jones Stock Market, S-T-A-L-K.

00:23SPEAKER- You have a resource that people want.

00:25SPEAKER- Yeah.

00:26SPEAKER- And?

00:27SPEAKER- You exchange it for goods or services.

00:28SPEAKERUsually goods or money, bells.

00:31SPEAKERYou know, there's a raccoon, he has a corporate scrip,

00:34SPEAKERso you exchange your labor for the scrip.

00:36SPEAKER- He's a slumber.

00:37SPEAKER- And then, yeah, he upgrades your house

00:39SPEAKERand doesn't tell you how much it's gonna cost

00:41SPEAKERuntil you agree to do it.

00:43SPEAKERAnd then he's like, "Oh, by the way,

00:44SPEAKER"here's a number with more zeros than you expected.

00:46SPEAKER"Good luck paying this back, a-hole."

00:48SPEAKER- Raccoons are noted communists,

00:49SPEAKERso I don't believe this mythology anymore.

00:52SPEAKER- Look, all I know is that if I go for a walk

00:56SPEAKERin Golden Gate Park right now and I throw like $30

00:59SPEAKERat some raccoons, those little guys are gonna take it

01:01SPEAKERand run off and they are not gonna upgrade my house.

01:04SPEAKER- Look, it's Animal Crossing, not Animal Farm, okay?

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01:38SPEAKER- Welcome to another episode of Brad and Will Made a Tech Pod.

01:40SPEAKERI'm Will. - I'm Brad.

01:41SPEAKER- And joining us today, we have a very special guest.

01:45SPEAKERHe's my favorite science communicator.

01:48SPEAKERYou may know him from tested.com.

01:50SPEAKERKishore Hari, welcome, Kishore.

01:52SPEAKER- Thanks for letting me be here.

01:54SPEAKERI'm excited for another two hours of NAS chat.

01:59SPEAKER- Only two hours this time?

02:01SPEAKER- Three-part NAS episode.

02:02SPEAKERWe're dedicating the entire month of April to getting NAS.

02:06SPEAKER- I have material for at least like five, six hours maybe.

02:10SPEAKER- I was actually wondering if the Windows episodes

02:13SPEAKERwould stretch into like a seven episode miniseries.

02:15SPEAKERLike when you got through, when the first episode ended

02:18SPEAKERat like Windows 95, I was like, oh no,

02:21SPEAKERthey're only at Windows 95.

02:23SPEAKER- Just wait till our ranking of OS/2 warp

02:25SPEAKERand we will get there for sure.

02:26SPEAKER- Oh man, Brad and Will present Ken Burns's Windows.

02:31SPEAKER- I would absolutely watch 10 hours of that.

02:35SPEAKER- You know, like some slow moving screenshots

02:37SPEAKERof different versions of Windows,

02:38SPEAKERlike a deep, long conversation with Brian Eno

02:41SPEAKERabout the creation of the Windows 95 sound.

02:43SPEAKERI'm there, I'm in for that.

02:45SPEAKER- Did you know they've never put the Windows 95 sound

02:47SPEAKERout in high quality?

02:49SPEAKERLike it's still, if you go download it now,

02:53SPEAKERit's still the same, like 22 kilohertz,

02:55SPEAKERlike eight bit shitty 1995 wave that they put on those CDs.

02:59SPEAKERI don't know, they still have to have

03:01SPEAKERthat master recording somewhere, right?

03:03SPEAKER- I don't know if it's true, but I always heard

03:05SPEAKERthat was the most expensive piece

03:06SPEAKERof commercial music ever made.

03:08SPEAKER- Yeah, have you ever read about his creation for that?

03:10SPEAKERLike he has talked about how like he was in a creative rut

03:13SPEAKERwith the stuff he was doing commercially.

03:15SPEAKERAnd then they were like, hey,

03:16SPEAKERmake a three second piece of music.

03:18SPEAKERAnd he said he made like 80 something different ones.

03:20SPEAKERAnd working in that tiny little time slice

03:22SPEAKERactually like broke him out of the rut

03:23SPEAKERthat he had been in.

03:25SPEAKER- Constraints, man.

03:26SPEAKER- Yeah.

03:27SPEAKER- Constraints.

03:28SPEAKER- Yeah, speaking of constraints.

03:29SPEAKER- Yeah, so Kishore's here to answer,

03:31SPEAKERthis is our monthly Q&A episode.

03:33SPEAKER- Yeah.

03:34SPEAKER- And we invited Kishore here because we have questions,

03:37SPEAKERbut I know a lot of folks in the audience

03:38SPEAKERalso have questions because the COVID-19/coronavirus,

03:42SPEAKERwhatever your designation of choice is,

03:46SPEAKERis changing the way we live our lives

03:49SPEAKERon the day-to-day right now.

03:50SPEAKERI'm, I think this is my 18th day.

03:55SPEAKERNo, this is my 20th day.

03:57SPEAKER- Wow.

03:57SPEAKER- 'Cause my 21st is tomorrow.

03:59SPEAKER- You guys just doing the remote grocery shopping?

04:02SPEAKER- We're doing remote grocery shopping.

04:04SPEAKERWe're doing all that stuff.

04:06SPEAKERAnd we go on walks 'cause I would be insane

04:09SPEAKERif I wasn't going on walk.

04:11SPEAKERBut yeah, like social distancing is real.

04:14SPEAKERA lot of places, we're all in shelter-in-place

04:16SPEAKERin California, Colorado, New York,

04:19SPEAKERa bunch of other places are similar.

04:21SPEAKERAnd we wanted to ask you some questions

04:23SPEAKERand we want to get somebody in who's a science person

04:25SPEAKERwho can answer questions from a science perspective

04:28SPEAKERand is paying attention to research

04:30SPEAKERand what the doctors are saying and stuff like that.

04:32SPEAKER- I am happy to.

04:33SPEAKERI'm on day 24, so I'm just excited that another human being

04:37SPEAKERthat isn't my wife or child is talking to me directly.

04:43SPEAKER- So I guess the first thing Spencer said in a question,

04:47SPEAKERhe says, "Kashore, I was wondering what you think

04:49SPEAKERabout how long the COVID-19 pandemic will last.

04:53SPEAKERIs this gonna be a seasonal thing?

04:54SPEAKERLike the cold or the flu?

04:56SPEAKERAre we gonna keep doing this every six months forever?"

05:00SPEAKER- So I'm gonna start by saying I'm not an epidemiologist.

05:03SPEAKERSo I'm not like an expert in this.

05:05SPEAKERAnd all I'm gonna do is try to represent

05:07SPEAKERsome of the things I'm hearing from a lot of experts online.

05:10SPEAKERSo the first thing is we have no idea.

05:14SPEAKERI think it's important to remember that this virus

05:17SPEAKERcame into human like eyesight,

05:20SPEAKERlike that this thing even exists in mid-December.

05:24SPEAKERAnd we're like three months later at this point.

05:27SPEAKERSo even though it's from this family of coronaviruses

05:31SPEAKERand we have some past information

05:33SPEAKERon how long those have persisted when they've broken out,

05:37SPEAKERwe don't have enough to like really understand

05:40SPEAKERwhere this is gonna go.

05:41SPEAKERThat being said, the best guess is based off

05:45SPEAKERof how previous coronaviruses and especially SARS,

05:49SPEAKERwhich broke out in the late 2000s, how long they lasted,

05:55SPEAKERthe numbers I'm hearing is that this will be

05:57SPEAKERa 12 to 18 month cycle for us

06:00SPEAKERwhere it will be a present in our lives.

06:03SPEAKERAnd that number comes from sort of two areas.

06:06SPEAKEROne, they really wanna understand

06:08SPEAKERif this is gonna be seasonal or not.

06:10SPEAKERLike will warmer weather tend to decrease

06:13SPEAKERthe number of infections, higher humidity?

06:15SPEAKERThere's a couple of studies that indicated

06:19SPEAKERthe transmission rate, the R naught factor,

06:21SPEAKERand I'll get into what that is later,

06:23SPEAKERis lower in humid and hotter places.

06:26SPEAKERThat's not really substantiated at this point,

06:28SPEAKERbut there's some early evidence of that.

06:30SPEAKERA lot of coronaviruses like colds tend to go down

06:33SPEAKERin summer months, but we don't know if that's mostly

06:36SPEAKERbecause people are outside and away from like crowded places

06:40SPEAKERversus winter months when you're just like

06:42SPEAKERall sitting around a fire.

06:44SPEAKERSo there might be this sort of like lag,

06:46SPEAKERbut then in the fall and winter, when it gets cold again,

06:49SPEAKERwe will probably see a resurgence.

06:52SPEAKERAnd 12 to 18 months is the number that's thrown out

06:54SPEAKERis because that's how long it's gonna take

06:56SPEAKERfrom where we are to develop a treatment or a vaccine.

07:00SPEAKERAnd it's important to note that even though

07:03SPEAKERthose are the numbers quoted for how long it'll take

07:05SPEAKERto create a vaccine based off of a number of like phases

07:10SPEAKERof that research, we have never made a vaccine

07:14SPEAKERfor a coronavirus, any kind of coronavirus in human history.

07:18SPEAKERSo we don't even know if we can do it,

07:20SPEAKERlet alone actually deliver it in 12 to 18 months.

07:25SPEAKERI'm sort of, my own mentality based off of like

07:28SPEAKERwhat other people are saying is like,

07:29SPEAKERI'm expecting this to go on for about a year,

07:33SPEAKERlike where it's gonna be a present thing

07:35SPEAKERthat we're gonna have to actively think about.

07:37SPEAKER- With the shelter in place and the communal.

07:40SPEAKER- Not necessarily the shelter in place,

07:42SPEAKERbut like the idea of that we're gonna have to be

07:45SPEAKERthinking about this when we make decisions in our lives.

07:47SPEAKERLike when we make decision about travel,

07:49SPEAKERwhen we're making decisions about like how we go

07:52SPEAKERto large gatherings, all those kinds of things.

07:54SPEAKERIt's gonna be omnipresent as a thing that exists

07:57SPEAKERfor that long.

07:57SPEAKERI hope I'm wrong, I hope it's much less than that,

08:00SPEAKERbut that's the kind of word that I'm hearing

08:02SPEAKERfrom a lot of sites.

08:04SPEAKER- Do you have a good sense of what maybe

08:06SPEAKERsort of daily life looks like once we enter that next phase

08:08SPEAKERwhere people are starting to emerge from their homes

08:10SPEAKERa little bit?

08:11SPEAKERI'm trying to like picture what's the average person's

08:14SPEAKERthought process at that point when you're contemplating like,

08:18SPEAKERis it time to fly somewhere for a vacation yet?

08:20SPEAKEROr should I go to this wedding?

08:23SPEAKERHow do I?

08:24SPEAKER- Right, you should not go to that wedding

08:26SPEAKERbecause they're gonna still play the bad music

08:28SPEAKERthat they were gonna play before, so it's not worth it.

08:31SPEAKER- Oh, weddings can be, there's no fun though.

08:32SPEAKER- I literally got an invitation to a wedding

08:34SPEAKERin like early August and I was like,

08:35SPEAKER- Oh boy, that's ambitious. - Really?

08:37SPEAKERReally, this feels ambitious, right?

08:39SPEAKER- Well, we kind of said the same thing when GDC

08:41SPEAKERgot scheduled for the first week of August

08:43SPEAKERand we thought that seems maybe premature, we'll see.

08:49SPEAKER- Yeah, there's both good answers and not good answers.

08:54SPEAKERLike a part of this is not like science question,

08:57SPEAKERlike about what to merge.

08:58SPEAKERIt's like, it has to do a lot with the decisions

09:01SPEAKERwe make as a society.

09:03SPEAKERRight now here in the U.S., there's a lot of framing

09:05SPEAKERof the problem is like health versus the economy.

09:08SPEAKERLike we have to go back out because we have

09:09SPEAKERto like restart the economy.

09:11SPEAKERThere's a lot of people that are suffering

09:14SPEAKERbecause they don't have income right now.

09:17SPEAKERI think that's kind of a false choice.

09:19SPEAKERI think like until we address some of the systemic issues

09:23SPEAKERaround the public health issue, it's really hard

09:25SPEAKERto even talk about starting the economy again.

09:31SPEAKERI think going like the idea of like what this

09:34SPEAKERis gonna look like though, there's a ton of historical data

09:38SPEAKERof how other cultures and societies have dealt with this

09:41SPEAKERover a long period of time.

09:43SPEAKERAnd there's this amazing set of literature

09:47SPEAKERthat includes stuff that's happened in the U.S.

09:49SPEAKERIt's been like 50 years, but it's happened

09:51SPEAKERand we've gone through it before.

09:53SPEAKERMy favorite story is I read this book

09:55SPEAKERcalled "American Pandemic" that related what happened

09:58SPEAKERin 1918 with the Spanish flu in the U.S.

10:02SPEAKERAnd that was a devastating disease.

10:03SPEAKERI think 750,000 Americans died during that.

10:07SPEAKERAnd we think tens of millions died worldwide.

10:12SPEAKERBut what was interesting is like we all live in the Bay Area

10:15SPEAKERand in San Francisco, they actually passed an ordinance

10:18SPEAKERthat you had to wear fabric masks out in public

10:21SPEAKERto prevent the spread of flu.

10:23SPEAKERAnd that was a law that was being enforced

10:25SPEAKERby police officers at the time.

10:28SPEAKERAnd it had a fine attached to it.

10:32SPEAKERAnd there's this group of people in San Francisco

10:35SPEAKERthat rebelled against the idea because they're like,

10:37SPEAKER"We're Americans, we don't wear masks here."

10:39SPEAKERAnd they formed the Anti-Mask League of San Francisco

10:43SPEAKERand started protesting and they would like go to places

10:47SPEAKERand take off their mask in a show of support.

10:50SPEAKERBut all of this to say is like,

10:51SPEAKERif we get to a point where in order to go

10:54SPEAKERto like the grocery store or to send our kids to school,

10:58SPEAKERthat we're gonna like wear masks

10:59SPEAKERwhen we walk down the street,

11:00SPEAKERwhich is not uncommon right now in Asian cultures.

11:04SPEAKERLike even before this pandemic happened,

11:07SPEAKERis that a thing that society is going to do

11:09SPEAKERto kind of adapt us to consider

11:12SPEAKERlike what it looks like to emerge from this?

11:14SPEAKERIt's like, well, we've gone through it before.

11:17SPEAKERI think part of what we have to do to get there

11:18SPEAKERis just remember what's been done.

11:21SPEAKERAnd there's like a wealth of information

11:23SPEAKERthat the WHO, our CDC, a ton of historians

11:28SPEAKERhave put together on like what it takes

11:29SPEAKERto actually go through the next step.

11:32SPEAKERAnd part of I think what the next month or so

11:34SPEAKERin the U.S. is gonna look like

11:36SPEAKERin terms of just dealing with what's happening,

11:38SPEAKERthe crisis is happening,

11:39SPEAKERis starting to socialize those things.

11:42SPEAKERBecause I do think what we're gonna have to see

11:45SPEAKERis temperature checks in places

11:48SPEAKERso that we can identify people

11:50SPEAKERand get them sent to like fever clinics

11:53SPEAKERand essentially get isolated in quarantine.

11:56SPEAKERAnd we're gonna have to see people wear masks in public.

11:58SPEAKERI think that's where we're gonna end up.

12:00SPEAKERAnd we're gonna have to--

12:01SPEAKER- With hand sanitizer on every front door, stuff like that.

12:04SPEAKER- Yeah, I think we're gonna have to finally see men

12:06SPEAKERwash their hands when they go to public bathrooms,

12:08SPEAKERlike, you know, crazy things.

12:10SPEAKER- I have to say, you know,

12:11SPEAKERbeing a little bit of a germaphobe has been,

12:14SPEAKERkind of given me a little bit of a leg up on this

12:16SPEAKERbecause a lot of that stuff is stuff that I'm doing anyway.

12:18SPEAKERBut do you guys wanna talk about the grocery issue?

12:23SPEAKER'Cause I feel like that has gotten

12:25SPEAKERa fair amount of discussion.

12:26SPEAKER- Have either of you gone to a grocery store yet?

12:29SPEAKER- I was alone, my last time in a grocery store

12:32SPEAKERwas about a week and a half ago, a week ago last Sunday.

12:35SPEAKER- And what was it like?

12:38SPEAKER- At that time, so that was,

12:40SPEAKERI would say that was early enough

12:41SPEAKERin the kind of public consciousness about this thing

12:43SPEAKERthat it wasn't completely insane yet.

12:45SPEAKERAlthough like there was a line

12:47SPEAKERwhen I went there at first thing in the morning

12:48SPEAKERwhen they opened, but my girlfriend went

12:51SPEAKERto a store yesterday and then another one today.

12:53SPEAKERAnd what she described is absolutely nothing

12:54SPEAKERlike it was a week and a half ago

12:55SPEAKERbecause one of them was a Trader Joe's

12:57SPEAKERand another one was a Smart and Final,

12:59SPEAKERwhich is a little bit more of a Costco kind of bulk ish store

13:02SPEAKERbut both of them were very methodically

13:05SPEAKERlining people up outside.

13:06SPEAKERShe said the Trader Joe's had marks

13:08SPEAKERon the asphalt for six foot.

13:11SPEAKERLike here's where you stand in line,

13:13SPEAKERboth practicing like a one in one out policy, you know,

13:15SPEAKERwaiting for somebody to come out

13:16SPEAKERbefore they let the next person in.

13:18SPEAKERLot of limits on number of items,

13:20SPEAKERlike one per person for most things.

13:23SPEAKERSo it's getting very regimented out there

13:25SPEAKERfrom the sound of it in the kind of the store experience.

13:30SPEAKER- Well, and I mean, that brings up one of my big questions,

13:33SPEAKERwhich is, you know, what does this do

13:35SPEAKERto the supply chain for not, I mean,

13:39SPEAKERI mean, we all know that like you can't get VR headsets

13:42SPEAKERand you can't get Nintendo switches

13:43SPEAKERand you can't get Ring Fit Adventure right now,

13:45SPEAKERbut I'm worried about like potatoes, right?

13:47SPEAKERLike what's happening with food production

13:49SPEAKERand our supply chain for that stuff?

13:51SPEAKERAre we out of toilet paper?

13:54SPEAKERAre we not gonna have toilet paper until this is over

13:56SPEAKERor are, you know, we need to explore alternative methods?

14:00SPEAKER- So there's like a few questions wrapped up there.

14:02SPEAKERSo I think first on the grocery stores,

14:05SPEAKERthat actually sounds like the best Trader Joe's experience

14:08SPEAKERI could imagine in the past few years.

14:10SPEAKERLike normally going to Trader Joe's is a disaster.

14:13SPEAKERSo that sounds not as bad.

14:16SPEAKER- I'll say, I think going to the grocery store

14:18SPEAKERis gonna become a more regimented process

14:21SPEAKERfor the next couple months,

14:23SPEAKERbecause even if we get to the point,

14:25SPEAKERlet's say in San Francisco,

14:26SPEAKERwhere we get to zero cases somehow,

14:29SPEAKERlike in a month or two or however long it takes,

14:32SPEAKERare you still gonna feel comfortable

14:33SPEAKERgoing into the grocery store

14:34SPEAKERthe way Trader Joe's used to be,

14:37SPEAKERwhere people are crowded everywhere,

14:39SPEAKERjust like, you know, kind of anything goes?

14:42SPEAKERProbably not.

14:43SPEAKERSo there's probably gonna be some middle space

14:46SPEAKERbetween what you saw with the regimen

14:49SPEAKERand what it's gonna be.

14:51SPEAKERIn terms of the supply chain,

14:52SPEAKERwell, let's start with toilet paper.

14:54SPEAKERSo toilet paper is made in America.

14:58SPEAKERYeah, America.

15:02SPEAKERAnd they perfected the supply chain

15:04SPEAKERto essentially like toilet paper,

15:06SPEAKERlike there's no reasons Americans like suddenly shit more.

15:10SPEAKERIt's not like we're all going to like Chick-fil-A

15:12SPEAKERor something like massively,

15:14SPEAKERand like we're all having group diarrhea.

15:17SPEAKERAnd so like the toilet paper usage in the country

15:19SPEAKERis really stable.

15:21SPEAKERAnd so they've actually perfected the supply chain

15:24SPEAKERto have like just-in-time delivery,

15:26SPEAKERwhich I love the just-in-time,

15:28SPEAKERbecause that's what like Apple and other tech companies

15:30SPEAKERare using right now for their process.

15:33SPEAKERSo we're still producing the amount of toilet paper

15:36SPEAKERthe country needs, and nothing has changed that.

15:38SPEAKERSo it's the hoarding that has led to the decline

15:43SPEAKERin the amount of toilet paper.

15:45SPEAKERBut within a few weeks, we're gonna see that.

15:48SPEAKERSo I have a good friend of mine, lives in Singapore.

15:51SPEAKERAnd we had a call the other night and I was like,

15:54SPEAKER"Did you ever run on toilet paper?

15:56SPEAKER"Is that like a uniquely American thing?"

15:58SPEAKERHe's like, "No, we had to run on toilet paper too."

16:00SPEAKERSo it's not just us, if that makes you feel better.

16:03SPEAKERBut usually the supply catches up in a couple of weeks.

16:06SPEAKERAnd I know a lot of toilet paper manufacturers

16:09SPEAKERwere trying to increase supply,

16:10SPEAKERbut they had basically designed their process

16:12SPEAKERbeing like, you know, Americans are gonna use

16:15SPEAKERthe same amount of toilet paper.

16:16SPEAKERLike we don't need to,

16:17SPEAKERwe don't have all this extra capacity.

16:19SPEAKERSo it's just gonna take a little while.

16:21SPEAKERFood is interesting.

16:22SPEAKERLike we live in California, which produces 40%

16:25SPEAKERof the produce and fruit that the country makes.

16:30SPEAKERSo we're probably not gonna see supply disruptions

16:32SPEAKERin like normal staples.

16:34SPEAKERBut stuff that might be imported

16:36SPEAKERfrom like blueberries from Chile, I don't know.

16:41SPEAKERI think stuff that's like between Mexico and Canada,

16:44SPEAKERjust in the Americas,

16:45SPEAKERI don't think we're gonna see major disruptions in that.

16:47SPEAKERBut I wouldn't be surprised if we see disruptions

16:50SPEAKERfrom stuff that's manufactured from other continents.

16:52SPEAKERI haven't seen a lot of good information on that

16:55SPEAKERbecause like, again, we're not really like eating more

16:59SPEAKERthan we were a week ago.

17:01SPEAKERWe might be eating more at home,

17:03SPEAKERbut there isn't really like a major change

17:07SPEAKERin consumption pattern.

17:09SPEAKERSo I think the supply, from what I understand,

17:11SPEAKERfor most things in our life,

17:13SPEAKERlike bread, milk, butter, produce,

17:16SPEAKERis not gonna be disrupted.

17:17SPEAKERBut I think it's like certain fruits and vegetables,

17:20SPEAKERI wouldn't be surprised if we see a supply disrupt.

17:25SPEAKER- What, I mean, I guess all of this,

17:28SPEAKERyou know, the ghoulish right is now talking about,

17:33SPEAKERbut then just to be clear,

17:34SPEAKERwe're recording this on Thursday afternoon about 4.30.

17:36SPEAKERSo things can change dramatically on a minute by minute basis

17:40SPEAKEReach day seems like about 10 years sometimes.

17:43SPEAKERYou know, there's been a lot of talk

17:45SPEAKERabout reopening businesses

17:47SPEAKERand calling off the shelters in places

17:49SPEAKERand the social distancing,

17:52SPEAKERrelaxing the social distancing in time for Easter,

17:54SPEAKERI think was the date I saw.

17:56SPEAKERThat seems irresponsible to dangerous from where I sit.

18:02SPEAKERDoes that seem right to you, Keesh?

18:04SPEAKER- I mean, I need my Easter chocolate.

18:06SPEAKERI don't know what you're thinking about.

18:07SPEAKERLike, I think it's important for us

18:10SPEAKERto have a nationwide Easter egg hunt.

18:12SPEAKER- The sacrifices have to be made, look.

18:15SPEAKER- I have 75 bags of mini eggs in the closet.

18:17SPEAKERI can hold out for years.

18:19SPEAKER- Hey, I think we've got 42 rolls of toilet paper.

18:22SPEAKERYou wanna trade?

18:23SPEAKER- Yeah, I can give you a bag.

18:24SPEAKER- 42 rolls?

18:26SPEAKERWe went to Costco a couple months ago.

18:27SPEAKERIt just happened, you know, as far as these things do.

18:31SPEAKER- What you don't see off camera in Brad's house

18:33SPEAKERis just walls and walls of toilet paper.

18:35SPEAKER- I swear to God, we're not hoarding.

18:36SPEAKERThis was completely coincidental.

18:38SPEAKERWe just stocked up it back around Christmas.

18:44SPEAKER- Now I'm just thinking about Brad's on eBay,

18:46SPEAKERlike selling a roll at a time.

18:48SPEAKER- It's really not that much.

18:50SPEAKERIt's just-- - 42 rolls, that is a lot.

18:52SPEAKER- Well, it's seven packs of six, you know.

18:54SPEAKERThey sell in bulk there, it turns out.

18:56SPEAKER- I didn't realize you could teach multiplication tables

18:58SPEAKERwith toilet paper.

19:00SPEAKERIt's gonna like revamp the educational system here.

19:04SPEAKER- Now I've completely forgotten the question.

19:06SPEAKERWhat the hell were you talking about?

19:07SPEAKER- Easter.

19:08SPEAKERAre we gonna be back on for Easter?

19:10SPEAKERYour responsibility.

19:11SPEAKER- The one thing that I've adapted to pretty quickly

19:15SPEAKERis that while you'll hear like the U.S. has this many cases

19:19SPEAKERor the U.S. has this many people in hospitals,

19:22SPEAKERlike we can't talk about the United States anymore

19:25SPEAKERas one entity when it comes to managing this disease

19:28SPEAKERbecause what's happening in San Francisco

19:29SPEAKERis not the same as what's happening in New York

19:32SPEAKERand what's happening in Georgia

19:33SPEAKERor what's happening in North Dakota, et cetera.

19:36SPEAKERSo I imagine there are situations where things

19:40SPEAKERare much more under control in certain places

19:43SPEAKERwhere they can ease certain restrictions.

19:46SPEAKERI would be shocked just personally

19:49SPEAKERif Easter was the date that those things

19:51SPEAKERwould be under control because the CDC this afternoon

19:55SPEAKERcame out with a report indicating that of the,

19:59SPEAKERI think when we're recording this,

20:00SPEAKERthere's 81,000 or 82,000 confirmed cases in the U.S.

20:04SPEAKERand we think it's a lot more than that.

20:06SPEAKEROf those, they don't know where 97% of them came from,

20:11SPEAKERwhich is a problem for epidemiology.

20:14SPEAKERSo if you're basically saying like,

20:16SPEAKERis it safe for me to go outside in San Francisco

20:19SPEAKERand you're like, well, we don't know where 97%

20:23SPEAKERof the cases here came from.

20:25SPEAKERSo we have no idea if it's under control or not

20:28SPEAKERbecause we haven't tested every single person.

20:32SPEAKERThat I think gives you a lot of pause

20:34SPEAKERif you're a public health official being like,

20:36SPEAKERshould we kind of like open things up by Easter?

20:39SPEAKERAnd it's hard to imagine given where we are

20:42SPEAKERthat we'll get there in a week.

20:43SPEAKERThis seems like something that's gonna take

20:47SPEAKERa month or longer to get a handle on that.

20:50SPEAKERI think there's a lot of projections out there

20:52SPEAKERthat the governors have about when certain peaks

20:56SPEAKERare gonna hit in certain state.

20:57SPEAKERI've read that in New York,

20:59SPEAKERthey're expecting a peak in three to four weeks,

21:01SPEAKERbut that is just a wild guess right now.

21:04SPEAKERIn California, it's like two to three weeks.

21:07SPEAKERSeattle, we're seeing some encouraging signs,

21:10SPEAKERbut we don't know.

21:13SPEAKERIt's this feeling, we're on this exponential curve.

21:15SPEAKERAnd the thing about being on an exponential curve is

21:18SPEAKEReven when it starts to slow down,

21:20SPEAKERthe data doesn't show you that it's slowing down.

21:23SPEAKERAnd it certainly doesn't feel like it's slowing down

21:26SPEAKERuntil well after it slows down.

21:28SPEAKERSo even if we see tomorrow in the data

21:31SPEAKERthat things are slowing down,

21:32SPEAKERwe're not gonna feel that for another two weeks.

21:34SPEAKERSo I think-- - That seems like,

21:36SPEAKERI'm sorry, does that seem like one of the challenges

21:38SPEAKERof this virus in particular with communicating to the public,

21:41SPEAKERespecially people who aren't very tuned into this stuff

21:44SPEAKERbecause the incubation period is so long,

21:47SPEAKERbecause it takes so long for people to show symptoms,

21:48SPEAKERbecause the illnesses are so lengthy.

21:51SPEAKERLike everything is on a delayed reaction, right?

21:53SPEAKERLike policy that goes into effect,

21:55SPEAKERyou don't see the effects of for days to weeks, right?

21:57SPEAKERAnd like people have time to forget things in that window.

22:00SPEAKERPeople have time to be misled by misinformation.

22:02SPEAKERLike is that one of the big challenges

22:04SPEAKERof like educating the public?

22:05SPEAKER- I think it starts with just like

22:07SPEAKERthe exponential growth of this.

22:10SPEAKERLike there was a lot of complacency early on

22:12SPEAKERwhen it's like there's only 15 cases

22:14SPEAKERand suddenly there's only 50 cases.

22:17SPEAKERAnd how quickly that ramped to,

22:21SPEAKERwe're gonna be past 100,000 cases by this weekend,

22:23SPEAKERI would sort of guess.

22:25SPEAKERSo I think even wrapping your head around

22:28SPEAKERthat kind of thinking,

22:29SPEAKERlike humans aren't used to that kind of thinking,

22:32SPEAKERfirst and foremost.

22:33SPEAKERThen I think there's this,

22:35SPEAKERI mean, there's numbers coming out that like,

22:37SPEAKERI don't even know what to do with,

22:38SPEAKERlike the 3.3 million jobless claim

22:41SPEAKERthat were reported this morning.

22:45SPEAKERThat's five times the highest number

22:48SPEAKERthat we've ever seen in American history.

22:51SPEAKERSo I think there's a lot of stuff

22:53SPEAKERcoming at people that they've never seen in their lifetimes

22:57SPEAKERand it's gonna be hard to process.

22:59SPEAKERSo yeah, I think the number one challenge

23:01SPEAKERis conveying a lot of uncertainty right now to people.

23:05SPEAKERBecause I think one of the most dangerous things

23:08SPEAKERis a false sense of security.

23:10SPEAKERThat we have things under control

23:12SPEAKERwhen it's legitimately not.

23:14SPEAKERBecause the worst thing that I think can happen,

23:17SPEAKERand Anthony Fauci keeps saying this,

23:19SPEAKERis if we reopen aspects of the economy

23:22SPEAKERor society or lift these things

23:24SPEAKERand we see a massive surge in cases all of a sudden,

23:27SPEAKER'cause we didn't have it under control.

23:29SPEAKERThe kind of damage that does psychologically

23:31SPEAKERto people's mental health,

23:33SPEAKERto the trust in the institutions to run this,

23:36SPEAKERthat'll reverberate for a decade.

23:39SPEAKER- Well, and I mean, the argument of,

23:42SPEAKERhey, we have to make some sacrifices and go back to work.

23:45SPEAKERYeah, that's great.

23:47SPEAKERBut if we end up with millions of people dead

23:50SPEAKERas a result of that,

23:51SPEAKERthat's going to cause just as much damage

23:52SPEAKERto the economy as we've already done right now.

23:57SPEAKERIt isn't like we're just turning the key

23:59SPEAKERand everything starts back up

24:00SPEAKERand we're back where we were a month ago.

24:02SPEAKER- And we're seeing that in China.

24:04SPEAKERThere's reports coming out of China

24:05SPEAKERabout what it's looking like

24:07SPEAKERfor them to restart their economy.

24:09SPEAKERAnd to get a sense of that,

24:11SPEAKERthere are these pictures people are posting

24:12SPEAKERon the Beijing subway lines and Beijing streets

24:15SPEAKERand looking what traffic looks like.

24:18SPEAKERTraffic is like an awesome proxy for certain kind

24:21SPEAKERof economic activity.

24:23SPEAKERAnd Beijing does not look like Beijing.

24:25SPEAKERAnd you have to remember,

24:26SPEAKERBeijing wasn't in Hubei province.

24:28SPEAKERIt wasn't the epicenter of this.

24:30SPEAKERAnd we're still seeing it very slow ramp up.

24:33SPEAKERThis is not going to be, like you said, Will,

24:36SPEAKERturn the key and we're back fired up.

24:38SPEAKERThis is going to take a long time.

24:41SPEAKER- How are we doing on testing?

24:42SPEAKERI know that I've seen numbers that range from,

24:47SPEAKERwe think that they're probably anywhere

24:49SPEAKERfrom two or three to 10 times as many people

24:51SPEAKERas we've confirmed with the virus

24:53SPEAKERas actually out in the wild.

24:56SPEAKERSo that means we could be looking at a million people

24:58SPEAKERthat have this later this week.

25:03SPEAKERI don't know that I trust the administration

25:05SPEAKERto give accurate testing numbers at this point,

25:07SPEAKERbut I know that there are people tracking the actual tests

25:09SPEAKERand the test results,

25:10SPEAKERand we're starting to see some real movement

25:11SPEAKERon that here in the US.

25:13SPEAKER- Yeah, so I think the best sight I've seen

25:15SPEAKERin terms of reporting data is covidtracking.com

25:20SPEAKERbecause it lists state level information

25:22SPEAKERas it comes available,

25:23SPEAKERand it's connected to county level health sites.

25:29SPEAKERAlexis Madrigal from the Atlantic

25:31SPEAKERand a few other people are working behind the scenes

25:33SPEAKERon sort of updating this.

25:35SPEAKERSo yesterday to today, we saw 100,000 tests in the US,

25:41SPEAKERand we have a total of 520,000 tests.

25:45SPEAKERSo that means like 20% of the tests in the US

25:48SPEAKERhave happened in the last day.

25:50SPEAKERSo we're seeing like a very significant ramp up

25:53SPEAKERin number of tests right now,

25:56SPEAKERbut that isn't evenly spread across the states.

25:58SPEAKERLike we're seeing most of that ramp in like New York

26:01SPEAKERand Washington state and a few other places.

26:05SPEAKERSo the question of like testing ramping up,

26:08SPEAKERwe're seeing like the increase of testing,

26:10SPEAKERbut that testing has to just ramp up everywhere,

26:13SPEAKERand we're not there yet.

26:14SPEAKERAnd then the second thing is the test that exists right now

26:17SPEAKERis something called a qPCR test.

26:19SPEAKERWhat it does is it looks for the viral RNA

26:22SPEAKERand amplifies it and tries to like match it

26:25SPEAKERagainst what the known gene sequence is.

26:28SPEAKERAnd that test usually takes like a day.

26:32SPEAKERIt can take a little less time.

26:34SPEAKERIt can take a little, it can definitely take longer.

26:37SPEAKERBut the real test we want is something called a serological

26:41SPEAKERtest. It's an antibody test.

26:42SPEAKERIt's a blood test where we look for hallmarks

26:45SPEAKERof immune response to it,

26:48SPEAKERbecause then we can also not just understand

26:51SPEAKERwho is infected, but who has already had it.

26:54SPEAKERAnd it maybe has developed immunity.

26:57SPEAKERThere's, I know of one FDA certified serological test

27:01SPEAKERthat's out of the Mount Sinai Hospital

27:03SPEAKERin New York right now, but we have not scaled that.

27:06SPEAKERThat test is a lot faster than the PCR test.

27:10SPEAKERAnd when you see that test ramping up

27:12SPEAKERand start to get out places, that'll be,

27:16SPEAKERI'll look to that as a really good indicator

27:19SPEAKERthat we have testing and thinking under control.

27:21SPEAKERBecause as soon as like we have an understanding

27:24SPEAKERof antibody tests, we can make some like better projections

27:28SPEAKERon where this is going and where it's been.

27:31SPEAKER- I've seen a couple of companies,

27:32SPEAKERI'm not super familiar with them,

27:34SPEAKERbut both claim that they're working on home tests

27:36SPEAKERthat are kind of sold through retail to the average person.

27:39SPEAKERDo you have any thoughts on A, like the efficacy of those

27:41SPEAKERand B, like what role those would play in kind of tracking

27:45SPEAKERand keeping the data straight for this stuff?

27:48SPEAKER- Yeah, I mean, this is not like, I think this is fractured.

27:52SPEAKERWe like, we should discuss this.

27:54SPEAKERSo I am morally repellent to for-profit testing

27:59SPEAKERin a public health emergency.

28:01SPEAKERAnd like, that's my initial reaction to home testing kits

28:04SPEAKERis like, if we are charging people money to do this,

28:07SPEAKERlike we're creating these like massive inequities

28:10SPEAKERof who can actually take a test and not.

28:12SPEAKERIs like the exact same feeling I felt when I was like,

28:15SPEAKERhow the hell did Kevin Durant get a test

28:17SPEAKERwhen he has no symptoms?

28:18SPEAKERIt's that kind of feeling.

28:20SPEAKERSo I find it repellent in that way.

28:23SPEAKERBut I think what you just said, Brad,

28:26SPEAKERlike is my deeper concern is like, okay,

28:29SPEAKERso this company is gonna collect data.

28:31SPEAKERHow are they gonna share that data with all

28:34SPEAKERof the other sources and who's gonna aggregate that?

28:37SPEAKERWe're already seeing like state public health agencies

28:40SPEAKERway under water in terms of their capacity.

28:42SPEAKERSo if there's like a robust plan for transparently managing

28:47SPEAKERand collating and assembling that data,

28:49SPEAKERmaking it interoperable.

28:52SPEAKERI like, that sounds awesome to me then

28:55SPEAKERthat we can do some at-home testing

28:57SPEAKER'cause we have to test the asymptomatic population

29:00SPEAKERto figure out how much of this virus is

29:01SPEAKERto make some choices for the future.

29:04SPEAKERBut I haven't heard any of those home testing kit companies

29:08SPEAKERtalk about that stuff.

29:09SPEAKERThey're all like, you can just swab your thing

29:12SPEAKERand you'll get results this fast.

29:14SPEAKERTo me, that's like, that isn't useful

29:17SPEAKERuntil that backend is filled in.

29:19SPEAKERMaybe some of those companies have done that

29:21SPEAKERand I'd love to hear that if that's true.

29:24SPEAKER- This is a more basic question,

29:26SPEAKERbut do we, how much clarity do we have

29:30SPEAKERon the actual timeline for the disease?

29:32SPEAKERI know we have pretty good data

29:34SPEAKERfor after people show up at the hospital and are sick

29:36SPEAKERand we know that we're looking at,

29:37SPEAKERpeople either get better or they get worse

29:40SPEAKERand then in the next five to 10 days

29:42SPEAKERand then they're gonna be in the hospital for three months

29:44SPEAKERif they're lucky.

29:45SPEAKERBut how is that five to 14 day incubation period

29:50SPEAKERpretty locked in?

29:51SPEAKERDo we know when people are contagious in that time period

29:53SPEAKERor is all that stuff still up in the air at this point?

29:55SPEAKER- We don't and there's a lot of differing studies

29:59SPEAKERthat have come out to this effect.

30:01SPEAKERSo we've seen like wildly different incubation periods

30:04SPEAKERand like the process of the going from asymptomatic

30:08SPEAKERto symptomatic varies by age,

30:10SPEAKERvaries by underlying conditions.

30:13SPEAKERSo there isn't this like, here's how long it takes.

30:16SPEAKERWe're seeing like a very different number in Germany

30:18SPEAKERthan what we're seeing in areas

30:21SPEAKERthat are like more healthcare impacted

30:23SPEAKERlike New York right now.

30:25SPEAKERSo there isn't an easy answer to this.

30:26SPEAKERSo as far as we know, like once it sort of,

30:30SPEAKERonce you essentially start to have symptoms of the disease,

30:34SPEAKERit's initially starts in the top of your lungs

30:37SPEAKERand like there's an immune response there

30:39SPEAKERand it kind of, that immune response

30:41SPEAKERcreates this almost kind of like a sloughing of cells

30:45SPEAKERthat take the virus deeper into your lungs

30:47SPEAKERand that's where you tend to develop

30:49SPEAKERlike these like really gnarly pneumonias.

30:52SPEAKERAnd we've seen that happen.

30:56SPEAKERWell, I'll back up and say,

30:57SPEAKERfor a lot of people when that happens,

31:00SPEAKERthey have to go on ventilators to breathe for them

31:03SPEAKERbecause the immune response gets out of control

31:06SPEAKERand they just can't breathe for themselves.

31:08SPEAKERWe've seen some indications from the fact

31:10SPEAKERof how healthcare workers have gotten sick

31:12SPEAKERthat there seems to be an acceleration

31:14SPEAKERwith those healthcare workers.

31:15SPEAKERSo there's some thinking that like

31:17SPEAKERthere's a dosage kind of component here,

31:19SPEAKERlike how much virus you get exposed to,

31:23SPEAKERlike changes the trajectory

31:25SPEAKERof how fast it incubates within you.

31:28SPEAKERSo that's like a short, like a long way of saying

31:31SPEAKERlike we don't know what the incubation period is,

31:34SPEAKERbut we do have an idea of like the range

31:36SPEAKERis in this like five to 14 day

31:39SPEAKERand that's been pretty well backed up.

31:41SPEAKERAnd in fact, it's probably shorter than that.

31:43SPEAKERLike the latest study I read had eight days about,

31:49SPEAKERbut because there's asymptomatic times in this,

31:52SPEAKERhow like how it travels through different age ranges

31:54SPEAKERand populations, they're essentially like creating

31:57SPEAKERa larger window for people to isolate,

32:00SPEAKERto just kill off all the vectors for the disease to spread.

32:04SPEAKERI have not created a very optimistic view

32:07SPEAKERof where we are with this virus yet.

32:10SPEAKERI'll get to happier news soon.

32:12SPEAKER- I was definitely a little shocked after that answer

32:17SPEAKERfor sure, but I don't know.

32:19SPEAKERSo we'll sit around this article that's on serious eats

32:22SPEAKERthat I think is probably just aggregating

32:23SPEAKERa lot of existing research that's been coming out

32:26SPEAKERabout best practices around handling groceries

32:28SPEAKERand cleaning groceries and touching contaminated surfaces

32:32SPEAKERand what it's like to eat the virus on food.

32:36SPEAKERAnd I basically, I'll say that like reading

32:38SPEAKERthrough that right before this. - Tastes like chicken.

32:39SPEAKER- Yeah, totally, it's a delicacy.

32:42SPEAKERI mean, I'll say that reading through that

32:43SPEAKERright before this made me feel like mildly encouraged

32:46SPEAKERthat food, like the foodborne pathway is not the vector

32:50SPEAKERthat I thought it might be for transmitting this thing

32:52SPEAKERthat like, I basically just wanted to talk about

32:55SPEAKERsome sort of best practices around how to handle groceries

32:57SPEAKERand what you should be doing there.

32:59SPEAKER'Cause there are some videos going viral

33:01SPEAKERabout that stuff now, so.

33:02SPEAKER- Yeah, I mean, we should talk about

33:03SPEAKERthis article really quickly.

33:04SPEAKERSo I'm gonna go out there and call it friend of the pod.

33:08SPEAKERKenji Lopez wrote this article

33:11SPEAKERand he worked with a food scientist.

33:13SPEAKERAnd what they did is they studied,

33:15SPEAKERthey looked at like the patterns

33:17SPEAKERof foodborne illness outbreaks and compared it

33:20SPEAKERto what we're seeing in the data right now for COVID-19.

33:25SPEAKERAnd they don't seem to share any commonalities.

33:28SPEAKERLike in many countries, we don't see an outbreak

33:30SPEAKERwhere it's like where the tracing

33:32SPEAKERgoes back to this restaurant.

33:35SPEAKERAnd because it doesn't have that hallmark

33:38SPEAKERand that there's a broad implication

33:41SPEAKERthat where this is transmitted by droplets,

33:44SPEAKERthey don't think like foodborne vector

33:46SPEAKERis kind of a dangerous one.

33:48SPEAKERSo even if somebody coughs into your food,

33:51SPEAKERthe likelihood that you eat that and get the virus

33:55SPEAKERseems to be low based on what we know now.

33:57SPEAKERThat might change later.

33:59SPEAKERBut you'd have to have somebody cough in your food,

34:01SPEAKERyou take that food and kind of like smear it

34:03SPEAKERalong your face and then you can increase your risk for it.

34:08SPEAKERBecause even the ways this droplet is the number one way,

34:13SPEAKERand that's largely confirmed.

34:15SPEAKERThen there's something called smear,

34:16SPEAKERwhich is where you're infected with the virus,

34:19SPEAKERyou touch a surface, then somebody else comes along

34:21SPEAKERand touches that surface and then like touches their face,

34:23SPEAKERmostly nose and eyes and sometimes mouth.

34:27SPEAKERAnd then there's the really delightful one,

34:31SPEAKERfecal oral transmission.

34:33SPEAKER- I saw an article about this.

34:35SPEAKER- Yeah, and there is some indication

34:38SPEAKERthere is fecal oral transmission.

34:40SPEAKERAnd there was a preprint out yesterday

34:42SPEAKERthat indicated that the virus persists in your stool

34:46SPEAKERlonger than the symptoms persist within you.

34:50SPEAKERSo you could still be passing by poop

34:52SPEAKERlike well after you get better.

34:55SPEAKERThat being said, don't eat poop.

34:58SPEAKERI'm gonna come down hard on that.

35:00SPEAKER- I don't know if you say so.

35:02SPEAKER- So I read that "Serious Eats" article

35:05SPEAKERand looked at other information.

35:07SPEAKERI feel pretty good about delivery and takeout given that.

35:11SPEAKERI feel like fairly reassured if I take reasonable steps.

35:17SPEAKERWhen I get takeout and delivery,

35:19SPEAKERI transfer that stuff to a plate

35:22SPEAKERinstead of eating directly out of the container.

35:24SPEAKERSo I'm not touching a surface somebody else may have touched

35:27SPEAKERand I wash my hands before and after dinner.

35:30SPEAKERAnd then if I get food, I reheat it

35:33SPEAKERbecause the virus is inactivated above like 165 degrees.

35:37SPEAKER- Oh, does that mean I can steam packages

35:39SPEAKERand they'll be clean?

35:41SPEAKER- Are you gonna steam like a cardboard pizza box?

35:45SPEAKERI'm kind of curious how that will work.

35:47SPEAKER- I would steam an Amazon package though.

35:50SPEAKERIt's way easier than doing the bleach thing on them.

35:52SPEAKERI guess that's the followup to this is what do you do?

35:56SPEAKERLike if takeout food is reasonably,

35:57SPEAKERyou have to worry about the containers probably,

35:59SPEAKERbut not necessarily the food is what it sounds like.

36:01SPEAKER- Yeah, I mean, I'm not coming down hard and fast on this

36:05SPEAKERbecause again, things are changing,

36:07SPEAKERbut we just don't see the hallmarks of it at this point.

36:10SPEAKERSo I'll just tell you what I do.

36:13SPEAKERWe've gotten takeout from a lot of places

36:15SPEAKERand fairly often because there's a lot of businesses

36:18SPEAKERwhere I live in San Francisco that I have a vested interest

36:21SPEAKERin that restaurant surviving 'cause I like the food there.

36:25SPEAKERAnd those people need jobs,

36:27SPEAKERthey need support and it's important.

36:29SPEAKERAnd so if I can take some precautions,

36:30SPEAKERso when we get pizza, we'll usually transfer the pizza

36:36SPEAKERout of the cardboard under a plate

36:38SPEAKERand then we might like Duke it

36:40SPEAKERor fry it to like crisp up the bottom.

36:42SPEAKERBut that's just because that makes the pizza taste better.

36:46SPEAKER- Yeah.

36:47SPEAKER- And then we'll, when we like handle the cardboard,

36:49SPEAKERwe'll usually wash our hands before and after,

36:51SPEAKERbut I'm not like steaming it

36:53SPEAKERand like hardcore like bleaching cardboard.

36:57SPEAKERI know there's people that leave like cardboard

36:59SPEAKERin isolation for a day.

37:01SPEAKERI mean, like that's safe.

37:03SPEAKERMy like argument against that is less about the disease

37:07SPEAKERand more about like, am I, is that the way I'm gonna live

37:10SPEAKERfor the next 12 to 18 months?

37:13SPEAKERLike, and like, that's what worries me about like kind of

37:17SPEAKERhow people are approaching like food

37:19SPEAKERis like once we establish like a level of safety,

37:22SPEAKERyou have to think like, am I gonna keep up this habit

37:24SPEAKERfor the next year?

37:26SPEAKERLike anytime like food comes into my house.

37:30SPEAKERAnd so some of the stuff is like just way over the top

37:32SPEAKERfor me from that perspective.

37:34SPEAKER- Yeah, so that's actually kind of what I wanted to get at

37:36SPEAKER'cause packaged goods like from the grocery store

37:38SPEAKERare the thing that concerned me a little more

37:40SPEAKERbecause they pass through a lot of hands

37:42SPEAKERjust in the process of being sold and stocked.

37:44SPEAKERAnd also, you know, people wander stores

37:46SPEAKERand pick up stuff and look at it and put it back.

37:49SPEAKER- Yeah, we should stop that as a society.

37:51SPEAKERAnd that is not even like a coronavirus thing.

37:53SPEAKERLike we should just stop that, that's gross.

37:56SPEAKER- So like talking about keeping up those habits

37:58SPEAKERis perfectly illustrates this problem

38:00SPEAKERbecause last week when I went to the store,

38:02SPEAKERI came home and washed everything I bought in the sink

38:05SPEAKERwith soapy water.

38:06SPEAKERAnd as of like yesterday,

38:08SPEAKERwe're already getting a little more lax about like,

38:11SPEAKERin fact, quite a bit more lax about that stuff.

38:14SPEAKERAnd I don't know how worried I should be

38:16SPEAKERabout that specific transmission vector.

38:21SPEAKER- I wash my produce.

38:22SPEAKER- Yeah.

38:23SPEAKER- I like, like any bags I bring in

38:26SPEAKERthat like held all those groceries for a while,

38:30SPEAKERlike I wash my hands after touching it.

38:33SPEAKERLike we've put our cloth bags in the wash just to wash them.

38:39SPEAKERBut I think what's important is like,

38:41SPEAKERI only go to the grocery store like once a week right now.

38:44SPEAKERAnd just like we're gonna get,

38:46SPEAKERand like that's the actual vector

38:48SPEAKERI'm more concerned about is people.

38:50SPEAKERIt's not the food.

38:52SPEAKERLike you're, I think there's a,

38:55SPEAKERand I'm just speaking personally here.

38:56SPEAKERI think there's so much more of a risk

38:59SPEAKERbeing within a foot or two of another person

39:01SPEAKERand them coughing and sneezing near you.

39:04SPEAKERThen somebody handling a package at a grocery store

39:08SPEAKERand then you not being careful.

39:10SPEAKERThe important thing here is the hand washing

39:13SPEAKERafter you like touch all of that kind of stuff.

39:15SPEAKERAnd also cooking your food.

39:18SPEAKERLike also, like if you're doing all those things,

39:21SPEAKERlike the virus doesn't really stand a chance.

39:25SPEAKERIt doesn't say that like you won't get infected that way,

39:28SPEAKERbut your likelihood goes so far down.

39:31SPEAKERAnd so I saw a video today.

39:32SPEAKERI think Will, you posted this,

39:34SPEAKERwhere this guy was like taking like techniques

39:36SPEAKERfrom like the surgical theater on hand washing.

39:39SPEAKER- Yeah, it was bananas.

39:41SPEAKER- I was like, no one does this in the world.

39:44SPEAKER- Okay, so that is exactly the video I watched

39:47SPEAKERright before we came in here that had me a little spooked

39:49SPEAKERbecause we're not really going that far.

39:50SPEAKERSo you're saying that that is not necessarily required.

39:54SPEAKER- We don't see this in other cultures.

39:56SPEAKERLike we should be looking at, hey, Singapore,

39:59SPEAKERlike has managed to really tamp down on their cases.

40:02SPEAKERWhat did they do?

40:03SPEAKERDid they like UV, see light disinfect everything

40:09SPEAKERthat has come into their house?

40:10SPEAKERLike, no, they basically limited human contact.

40:14SPEAKERThey instituted a lot of temperature checks.

40:16SPEAKERThey created a lot of infrastructure that if you're sick,

40:18SPEAKERthat you go to a specific place

40:19SPEAKERand you don't contaminate each other.

40:21SPEAKERThey collected a lot of data for the people that are sick

40:25SPEAKERon who they've come in contact with.

40:27SPEAKERAnd then went and talked to all those people

40:28SPEAKERthat they were in contact with

40:29SPEAKERand made sure they weren't sick.

40:31SPEAKERLike, those are the things that we should be worried about.

40:34SPEAKEROh, and then people wash their hand.

40:36SPEAKERLike that's the kind of stuff

40:38SPEAKERthat we wanna see infrastructure around

40:41SPEAKERto tamp down on this.

40:42SPEAKERBecause the other thing is like, this is still America.

40:45SPEAKERLike people aren't gonna follow the rules, like,

40:49SPEAKERso no, but you know what?

40:51SPEAKERBut that's like public health experts account for that.

40:55SPEAKERThey're like, you aren't gonna get 100% adherence

40:57SPEAKERto all this stuff.

40:58SPEAKERBut the difference between 75 and 80% or 40%

41:04SPEAKERis like literally counted in number of live state.

41:10SPEAKER- I think we got through most of our questions.

41:13SPEAKERBrad, do you have any more or are you feeling good?

41:15SPEAKER- Pretty much covers everything.

41:18SPEAKER- Oh, I got one more.

41:21SPEAKER- Okay.

41:22SPEAKER- Can we talk about making your own

41:24SPEAKERpersonal protective gear and what works and what doesn't?

41:29SPEAKER- Sure.

41:30SPEAKERSo let's just talk about masks

41:34SPEAKERbecause that's the easiest one.

41:35SPEAKERLike if you're making like full on hazmat suits at home

41:39SPEAKERand you have like the workshop for that,

41:40SPEAKERlike more power to you.

41:41SPEAKERBut I think that's more cosplay

41:43SPEAKERthan personal protective gear at this point.

41:45SPEAKERBut like, I think what most people are talking about

41:47SPEAKERis some sort of fabric mask that covers their mouth.

41:51SPEAKERAnd like the guidelines from the CDC have been,

41:54SPEAKERif you're sick, you should wear a mask

41:56SPEAKERbecause that prevents the transmission spread

41:58SPEAKERto other people.

42:00SPEAKER- Stopping the droplets.

42:01SPEAKER- Yeah.

42:02SPEAKERThe concern about healthy people wearing these things

42:05SPEAKERis that it lulls them into a false sense of security

42:08SPEAKERwhen they go out to places where other people are.

42:11SPEAKERAnd they take risky behavior.

42:13SPEAKERAnd because those things need to be like sealed

42:15SPEAKERand worn properly and you can't have like a beard on

42:18SPEAKERunderneath these things to have a proper seal.

42:20SPEAKERThey don't want people to think I have a mask on, I'm safe.

42:23SPEAKERLet's go to the Post Malone concert now.

42:29SPEAKERWhich like people shouldn't be doing anyways.

42:31SPEAKERLike I'm fine taking like an anti-Post Malone stance

42:34SPEAKERon this podcast, right?

42:36SPEAKERI don't know about mumble rap just as a whole genre.

42:38SPEAKERI'm just gonna be out there and say it.

42:40SPEAKER- Hey, look, it's time for us all to come together

42:42SPEAKERas a society.

42:43SPEAKERLet's not be drawing lines.

42:44SPEAKERTear down that wall, sir.

42:47SPEAKER- So I kind of think there's a lot of good evidence

42:51SPEAKERwith SARS, the OG SARS, that there are a lot of like papers

42:56SPEAKERthat came out that said wearing any kind of fabric mask

42:59SPEAKERreduced transmission rate when you wore them in public

43:01SPEAKERand you wore them consistently.

43:03SPEAKERNow it's not this like rock solid evidence.

43:06SPEAKERAnd it's combined with the fact that people were taking

43:09SPEAKERother precautions, like washing their hands frequently

43:12SPEAKERand not going to these large gatherings and whatnot.

43:16SPEAKERBut I think there's some evidence that we should be wearing

43:18SPEAKERmasks in public, especially in like the short middle term,

43:22SPEAKERlike over the summer, because as long as we don't use it

43:27SPEAKERas a security measure, as long as if we're using it

43:30SPEAKERas like a we're kind of taking care of each other,

43:32SPEAKERthis is a sign to you in the grocery store

43:35SPEAKERthat I'm thinking about this.

43:37SPEAKERI have thought about this and I'm gonna act in a certain way.

43:40SPEAKERI think that as a social cue is actually kind of interesting

43:43SPEAKERfor us to look at.

43:46SPEAKERDesigning-- - It's like condom use

43:47SPEAKERbut for your face.

43:51SPEAKER- I'm not comfortable with that analogy

43:53SPEAKERfor so many reasons.

43:57SPEAKERSo I think in terms of making your own at home,

44:00SPEAKERI think if you're making it with that sign of,

44:03SPEAKERI'm gonna present a social cue when I go outside

44:05SPEAKERthat I've thought a lot about this,

44:06SPEAKERthat I'm watching my behavior and whatnot.

44:09SPEAKERAnd there's some evidence that it potentially reduces risk.

44:13SPEAKERI think those are all good things.

44:15SPEAKERBut there's a difference between that

44:18SPEAKERand like buying up supply for N95 respirators

44:22SPEAKERthat people, healthcare workers need right now

44:26SPEAKERand are in short supply.

44:27SPEAKERSo if you like sew your own or if you have like a mask

44:30SPEAKERor two for your family, I think that's great.

44:33SPEAKER- Yeah. - And I'm kind of behind that.

44:35SPEAKERBut you should not have it be anything more

44:38SPEAKERthan this is like an extra step that I'm taking.

44:41SPEAKERIt's not going to protect me directly

44:45SPEAKERin the same way that like washing my hands does.

44:48SPEAKERCan I ask y'all a question?

44:50SPEAKER- Sure. - Of course.

44:51SPEAKER- So I'm on like six to seven hours of Zoom calls a day now,

44:55SPEAKERjust because of that, like that's how work goes.

44:58SPEAKERAnd my cat is on like three or four of those hours of calls,

45:01SPEAKERlike just joins me.

45:02SPEAKERBut I'm wondering, is there like a piece of gear

45:07SPEAKERthat you feel like is really essential in this time

45:10SPEAKERwhen everyone's on video chat,

45:13SPEAKERlike should I invest in a good camera

45:15SPEAKERor should I invest in better audio

45:17SPEAKERor should I invest in like a green screen

45:20SPEAKERso I can demonstrate all the funky places

45:22SPEAKERthat I can be with virtual backgrounds

45:24SPEAKERor is there something else completely?

45:27SPEAKER- I have to put somebody on blast real fast

45:29SPEAKERthat I took a meeting last week

45:32SPEAKERwhere somebody made their background a shot of our office

45:36SPEAKERand it was incredible and it fooled everybody.

45:39SPEAKEREverybody else in the meeting was like,

45:40SPEAKERdude, why are you in the office?

45:41SPEAKERWhat the hell are you doing?

45:42SPEAKERThis is incredibly irresponsible.

45:44SPEAKERAnd yeah, so yes, the potential for tomfoolery

45:47SPEAKERin this context, hi.

45:49SPEAKER- Well, so, okay, in terms of things to buy in which order,

45:54SPEAKERthe good microphone is number one

45:56SPEAKERbecause there's nothing worse than having a voice call

45:58SPEAKERwith some, you already have a good microphone,

46:00SPEAKERwhich it's in the frame of the shot that I can see right now

46:04SPEAKERbut yeah, like buying a $50 blue snowball

46:07SPEAKERis going to make your voice call game,

46:10SPEAKERyour video call game so much better,

46:11SPEAKERyou're gonna not sound like you're screaming

46:14SPEAKERfrom across the room and it's not gonna pick up

46:15SPEAKERwhen your kid stomps down the hall

46:17SPEAKERor the dog barks or whatever.

46:20SPEAKERThe webcam is, I find that most laptops

46:23SPEAKERhave pretty good webcams these days.

46:27SPEAKERIf it doesn't, like there's some Dells

46:29SPEAKERwhere they put the camera down on the keyboard side

46:32SPEAKERof the monitor instead of on the top side of the monitor

46:34SPEAKERbecause they wanted edge-to-edge glass on the top

46:37SPEAKERand that thing's unusable 'cause all you see

46:40SPEAKERwhen you're video conferencing with somebody

46:41SPEAKERwith one of those things is just their knuckles, right?

46:44SPEAKERI feel like a green screen, like you can get

46:46SPEAKERa pop-up green screen for maybe 30 to 50 bucks,

46:50SPEAKERusually on Amazon, I bet they're all gone now

46:52SPEAKERbut or ultimately you can just get a piece of green fabric

46:55SPEAKERand tack it up on the wall behind you,

46:57SPEAKERdo all sorts of goofy stuff with that

46:59SPEAKERbut I feel like the mic is the important thing

47:01SPEAKERmore than anything else. - Does it matter

47:02SPEAKERif you get like a condenser mic with like XLR

47:05SPEAKERor can you just get like a USB mic

47:07SPEAKERand that's gonna be, that's like 99% of the way.

47:11SPEAKER- Yeah, I think it's in the acoustics of the mic

47:12SPEAKERthat matter, like how it's getting sound into the computer.

47:15SPEAKERIn fact, like USB is digital so it's just gonna carry

47:17SPEAKERthat signal in there without any nasty interference

47:19SPEAKERthat you might pick up with analog stuff.

47:21SPEAKERSo yeah, I think something like a Blue Yeti

47:23SPEAKERis gonna be totally fine.

47:25SPEAKER- He's buzz marketing brands now, look out.

47:28SPEAKER- They're not paying us, I promise.

47:29SPEAKER- They're not paying us, yeah.

47:32SPEAKER- So the one caveat to the buying the big microphone,

47:37SPEAKERyou want XLR if you wanna have multiple people

47:39SPEAKERfeeding information to the same computer.

47:41SPEAKERIf you're just listening to one person at a time,

47:44SPEAKERUSB is fine.

47:46SPEAKERIf you're using a microphone that has a bigger sweet spot,

47:49SPEAKERlike the Snowball I think goes from a cardioid

47:53SPEAKERwhich is like a, it looks like a speech bubble kind of,

47:55SPEAKERlike in a comic. - It's a butt.

47:57SPEAKERIt's a butt. - Yeah, it looks like,

47:58SPEAKERyeah, butt is a good analogy.

48:02SPEAKERIt has an omni setting so you wanna make sure

48:04SPEAKERyou put it on the cardioid setting if you have it.

48:06SPEAKERMake that sweet spot and then put your face

48:08SPEAKERinto the sweet spot when you're talking.

48:11SPEAKERAnd for a better mic, if you're not using one

48:13SPEAKERbuilt into a device or a webcam,

48:15SPEAKERyou're gonna wanna put headphones on

48:16SPEAKER'cause their noise canceling won't be as good.

48:18SPEAKERAnd you don't want the people on the call

48:20SPEAKERto hear themselves back from your microphone.

48:23SPEAKERThat is the ultimate.

48:28SPEAKERI'm sure you know Kishore 'cause you have a son

48:30SPEAKERthat's school age, but we do morning Zoom calls

48:33SPEAKERwith an entire first grade class

48:35SPEAKERand it is both the cutest version of video conference

48:40SPEAKERand bingo where like, oh, I can't hear you.

48:43SPEAKERI think you must be muted, Jimmy.

48:45SPEAKEROr, oh, somebody just disappeared.

48:48SPEAKERI wonder if their power went, oh, yep.

48:50SPEAKERSorry, I was gone for a minute there.

48:50SPEAKERI had to go get a power brick and all of the,

48:54SPEAKERyou're muted, you're not muted.

48:55SPEAKERWe can hear your dog.

48:56SPEAKERPlease mute, John.

48:58SPEAKER- Getting about five minutes of actual school done per call.

49:01SPEAKER- Probably.

49:02SPEAKER- Look, it's the teaching kids.

49:05SPEAKERWe don't teach teachers anywhere near enough money

49:06SPEAKERis the big TLDR for me of the coronavirus so far.

49:12SPEAKER- Look, both of you know this coming from video games,

49:14SPEAKERbut I quickly told my son, I'm like,

49:16SPEAKERwe're gonna learn push to talk features

49:19SPEAKERso that you stay muted.

49:20SPEAKERAnd he's like, what is PTT?

49:23SPEAKERI'm like, we're gonna have a really big talk about this.

49:26SPEAKERAnd so when I learned things like Zoom are like,

49:28SPEAKERyou can hold the space star down and stay muted,

49:31SPEAKERit's changed group calls for me.

49:33SPEAKERI feel like that's the piece of etiquette

49:36SPEAKERthat I wanna see more people get on board with.

49:39SPEAKER- We need a big etiquette piece for sure.

49:42SPEAKERI'm also doing, the other thing that's helping me

49:44SPEAKERwith the stay at home a lot is doing fitness stuff.

49:47SPEAKERSo I'm doing a lot more Beat Saber and Pistol Whip

49:50SPEAKERand going on walks just because I'm not getting

49:54SPEAKERas much outdoor activity as I normally do.

49:56SPEAKERAnd like 30 minutes in Beat Saber gets the heart going

50:01SPEAKERand gets me real sweaty and good and it's fun.

50:03SPEAKERAnd like, it doesn't feel like working, but it is.

50:08SPEAKERSo like I find that kind of stuff to be really good.

50:12SPEAKERI know the Ring Fit thing for Switch

50:13SPEAKERis really popular with people,

50:15SPEAKERbut I think it's impossible to find now.

50:17SPEAKER- I mean, you can't even find a Switch now.

50:19SPEAKER- Yeah, and then there's Yoga.

50:23SPEAKERYeah, we have Ring Fit.

50:24SPEAKERMy kid has like doubled up the number of levels I'm on

50:27SPEAKERand it just makes me feel like just out of shape,

50:30SPEAKERwhich I am, but I don't need to be reminded

50:33SPEAKERby my nine-year-old about it.

50:35SPEAKERBut I feel like the Ring Fit adventure

50:37SPEAKERis like more valuable than toilet paper right now.

50:39SPEAKERSo I'm like considering the nefarious things

50:43SPEAKERthat I can do with my Ring Fit adventure.

50:45SPEAKER- Well, you are also living, I hate new content by the way.

50:49SPEAKERThey are, you are also living that bidet life

50:51SPEAKERthese days, Kishore, so.

50:53SPEAKER- I love it, I will never go back.

50:55SPEAKERIt has changed my life.

50:56SPEAKERI will tell you like, so we have a three-person house level,

50:59SPEAKERtwo adults and one nine-year-old.

51:01SPEAKEROur toilet paper usage, depending on the time of the month,

51:04SPEAKERyou can infer what that means,

51:08SPEAKERis about a half roll a week with the bidet.

51:11SPEAKER- Wow. - Wow.

51:13SPEAKER- Wow.

51:14SPEAKER- Just get in there with the fire hose.

51:15SPEAKER- I'm getting on toilet paper with a normal supply

51:18SPEAKERuntil I think the Star Trek universe begins.

51:22SPEAKERI like, I did some math.

51:24SPEAKERI think I'm out to like 2,300 or something like that.

51:27SPEAKERPretty good.

51:28SPEAKER- Brad's toilet paper could hold you until,

51:30SPEAKERyou know, you get 800 years or something

51:33SPEAKERif my math checks out on that.

51:34SPEAKER- It's a lifetime supply easily at that point.

51:36SPEAKER- Yeah. - Wow.

51:37SPEAKER- Unfortunately, even we've,

51:37SPEAKERI think we've even missed the curve on bidet availability.

51:40SPEAKERBidet, bidelability, trying to make that one happen.

51:45SPEAKERIt's not quite coming out. - I do have one warning

51:47SPEAKERfor listeners is like the low-end bidets,

51:49SPEAKERlike if you see a bidet that costs less than $100,

51:52SPEAKERdo not buy it.

51:54SPEAKERIt's gonna do really bad, bad things to sensitive places.

51:59SPEAKERSo that's good.

52:01SPEAKER- It's just cold water, Keesh.

52:02SPEAKERYou gotta man up at some point.

52:04SPEAKERYou gotta just, yeah, you take that bracing,

52:06SPEAKERrefreshing spray right into the most delicate parts

52:09SPEAKERand then-- - It's like they call it

52:10SPEAKERPoseidon's kiss, right?

52:11SPEAKER- Yeah. - Yeah.

52:12SPEAKER- It turns out pressure valves

52:14SPEAKERare important pieces of technology.

52:16SPEAKER- Oh, okay, I can imagine the destructive potential

52:19SPEAKERof a cheap bidet is probably pretty high.

52:22SPEAKEROh man, I have an emergency $30 bidet in my garage

52:25SPEAKERjust in case we run out of toilet paper.

52:27SPEAKERI'm thinking twice now.

52:30SPEAKERDo you wanna do some regular questions?

52:31SPEAKERDo you have time to hang out for a bit?

52:32SPEAKERKeesh, are you-- - Yeah, yeah.

52:33SPEAKER- You gotta roll on.

52:34SPEAKERFirst question comes from Jeff.

52:36SPEAKERHe says, "Hey, guys.

52:38SPEAKER"I've been needing to replace my router for a while

52:40SPEAKER"as part of general upgrading of tech in my house.

52:42SPEAKER"I'm hoping you could offer some advice.

52:44SPEAKER"I use a lot of ethernet cables

52:45SPEAKER"that I've strung through the walls and crawl spaces,

52:47SPEAKER"and it turns out I'd need a router

52:48SPEAKER"with a minimum of six or maybe even eight ports

52:51SPEAKER"along with providing a good Wi-Fi signal.

52:52SPEAKER"Any advice on where to start looking?"

52:54SPEAKERSo this is tricky, right?

52:57SPEAKERWe're getting new Wi-Fi right now.

53:00SPEAKERSo Wi-Fi 6, whatever, I can't remember, AX I think

53:03SPEAKERis what it was gonna be called, is rolling out now.

53:07SPEAKERSo it's maybe not the best time

53:09SPEAKERto upgrade all of your routers.

53:12SPEAKERThe other thing is I kinda get the feeling

53:15SPEAKERfrom reading this email that maybe Jeff

53:16SPEAKERdoesn't know about network switches.

53:19SPEAKER- Yes, that's part of this whole thing.

53:21SPEAKER'Cause you don't need to worry

53:22SPEAKERabout a router having a bunch of ports in it.

53:23SPEAKERYou just need to connect it from one port

53:25SPEAKERto a big switch and connect everything else to that.

53:29SPEAKER- And that's a really good solution

53:31SPEAKERbecause it means that if you need more capacity

53:33SPEAKERat some point, you don't have to replace the router

53:35SPEAKERto add more network ports.

53:38SPEAKERYou can just replace a switch

53:39SPEAKERor even put another, you know, daisy chain another switch.

53:42SPEAKERThere's no performance penalty.

53:43SPEAKERAll of the, I mean, there's a tiny performance penalty

53:47SPEAKERif you're doing really specific, really heavy loads

53:49SPEAKERfor a home, but for the most part,

53:52SPEAKERif you plug your router into a switch

53:54SPEAKERand then plug all of the ports into that switch,

53:57SPEAKERyou get the same exact performances

53:58SPEAKERif you add one router with 10 ports

54:01SPEAKER'cause that nobody makes.

54:02SPEAKERNobody makes, most, like your Ubiquiti high-end router

54:06SPEAKERprobably has what, two or three ports on it?

54:09SPEAKER- In essence, it's got one

54:10SPEAKERbecause the two ports are not switched.

54:12SPEAKERSo they're for separate networks.

54:13SPEAKERSo it has one, basically,

54:14SPEAKERand you're intended to connect that to a switch.

54:16SPEAKER- Speaking of Ubiquiti,

54:17SPEAKERso my, I know this is not practical for everybody,

54:21SPEAKERbut my inclination when I hear this question

54:22SPEAKERis like, go enterprise.

54:23SPEAKERLike it's something heavy duty

54:24SPEAKERbecause consumer routers are all crap.

54:26SPEAKERThey're way too slow for what you're paying.

54:28SPEAKERBut I know that that is just not realistic

54:31SPEAKERfor most people to deal with

54:32SPEAKER'cause they are such a pain to administrate.

54:34SPEAKERIs there a happy, I guess,

54:36SPEAKERI guess that's the real question is like,

54:37SPEAKERis there a happy medium between like a cheapo,

54:42SPEAKERlike low-end net gear and like your Ubiquities

54:44SPEAKERor like a custom PF sense box?

54:46SPEAKERLike what's the sweet spot for like usability

54:49SPEAKERand also horsepower, especially with gigabit.

54:51SPEAKERLike now that we have actual gigabit connections out there,

54:53SPEAKERlike you need something that can handle that kind of traffic.

54:57SPEAKER- I mean, oh.

54:58SPEAKER- I was gonna ask like,

54:59SPEAKERis everyone also just going like mesh for everything now

55:03SPEAKERor is there still like value and not,

55:05SPEAKERand just getting like a standalone router,

55:07SPEAKERnon-meshed kind of system?

55:11SPEAKER- I mean, so I have, I wired,

55:13SPEAKERwhen I bought my house I ran ethernet to every room,

55:16SPEAKERa couple places in some rooms.

55:19SPEAKERI still use the mesh networks

55:20SPEAKERbecause it makes the coverage,

55:22SPEAKERsolving the coverage problem easy.

55:24SPEAKERI have a thousand square foot house, it's not a big house.

55:26SPEAKERAnd we're one story, like everything fits.

55:29SPEAKERTheoretically, this should be a perfect house

55:31SPEAKERfor putting a single router in the middle.

55:33SPEAKERAnd when you do that, then there's no coverage

55:35SPEAKERwhere at my part of the bed in the bedroom and on the toilet.

55:38SPEAKERSo, you know, we had to add multiple access points

55:44SPEAKERto solve these very important problems for me.

55:47SPEAKERI feel like buying the mesh networks is the way to go.

55:50SPEAKERThe one thing I would say is that I did learn recently

55:53SPEAKERthat the Eero one, which we've recommended in the past,

55:56SPEAKERdoesn't actually work when the internet's down.

55:58SPEAKERLike if the power goes out and your internet

56:00SPEAKERdoesn't come back up,

56:01SPEAKERit has to download the configuration from the internet.

56:03SPEAKERI think that's something they're working on addressing,

56:06SPEAKERbut it can't mesh.

56:08SPEAKERSo you'll lose local network, which for most people

56:10SPEAKERprobably doesn't matter if the internet itself is down.

56:12SPEAKERBut if you care about that, it's something you should know.

56:16SPEAKERBut I have the Google home routers,

56:18SPEAKERthe Google wifi routers here, and they're fine.

56:21SPEAKERThey're not the best, they're not the worst.

56:23SPEAKERBut I can plug, I have two of them set up,

56:25SPEAKERso I have total coverage over the entire house

56:27SPEAKERin the areas that we use.

56:29SPEAKERAnd that's convenient.

56:30SPEAKER- I think we've talked about the,

56:30SPEAKERwhat is it, the Netgear Orbi is one,

56:33SPEAKERand like Ubiquiti has a mesh line.

56:34SPEAKERLike one of those high-end mesh kind of all-in-one solutions

56:37SPEAKERis if you don't want to administrate a router

56:40SPEAKERfor like an hour a day, then that's probably the way to go.

56:45SPEAKER- Yeah, I have the Amplify Ubiquiti one.

56:47SPEAKERAnd the most useful feature is the channel switching

56:51SPEAKERfor the wireless, the automatic channel switching,

56:53SPEAKERbecause I live in like a really dense location

56:55SPEAKERwhere there's 40 networks visible from my couch.

57:01SPEAKER- Next question comes from Ben.

57:04SPEAKERBen says, I have a relatively simple question

57:07SPEAKERthat I couldn't find a helpful answer for

57:09SPEAKERduring your FreeNAS episode.

57:10SPEAKERYou guys, this is the NAS question

57:12SPEAKERyou were dying for, Kishore.

57:15SPEAKER- You asked for it.

57:16SPEAKER- You guys mentioned backing up your drives

57:18SPEAKERand testing said backup, but never spelled out

57:19SPEAKERwhat your own backup process was.

57:21SPEAKERIs this literally just plugging in an external volume

57:24SPEAKERevery so often and running some sort of R sync?

57:26SPEAKERI'm planning on having eight terabytes of usable storage.

57:28SPEAKERThat might mean that I just have to have

57:29SPEAKERan external eight terabyte drive too, right?

57:33SPEAKERSo yeah, and that is basically what I do.

57:36SPEAKERI have a 10 terabyte external drive

57:38SPEAKERthat I plug into my NAS box.

57:40SPEAKERI back up the important stuff to a cloud service drop box,

57:43SPEAKERwhich I pay for to get a couple of terabytes of storage.

57:47SPEAKERAnd then like the mass files, like my media collection

57:51SPEAKERgoes on that 10 terabyte drive.

57:52SPEAKERAnd I just like, I add new things to that

57:55SPEAKERinfrequently enough that if I have to rip an extra

57:58SPEAKERfive or 10 disks, it's no big deal.

58:01SPEAKERSo I, and then when the drive is unplugged,

58:03SPEAKERit goes into a fire safe in my office.

58:05SPEAKER- Yeah, so I am planning to do exactly what you do.

58:09SPEAKERI've got some USB drives that I bought last July

58:11SPEAKERthat I haven't actually fully set that whole thing up yet.

58:13SPEAKERBut I wanted to add to that,

58:15SPEAKERthat generally in like a raid situation

58:17SPEAKERthat you don't want to be relying on USB drives

58:19SPEAKERas a primary pool.

58:21SPEAKER- Right.

58:22SPEAKER- Like they're fine for a removable backup

58:24SPEAKERfor something you're just dumping data onto

58:26SPEAKERthat you already have a primary copy of,

58:28SPEAKERbut don't try to like raid USB drives

58:30SPEAKERas your primary thing itself.

58:31SPEAKERThat's not a great idea.

58:35SPEAKER- Oh, go ahead Cajun.

58:36SPEAKER- I have a question that I wanted to ask Brad,

58:39SPEAKERif we're done with the NAS backup.

58:43SPEAKER- Sure.

58:44SPEAKER- This is like really specific.

58:45SPEAKERSo Brad, I have a Dell 2405 FPW Monor that I bought in 2005.

58:56SPEAKER- Okay.

58:57SPEAKER- Should I upgrade it?

58:58SPEAKER- A lot of the hands-on experience with this issue,

59:02SPEAKERit turns out.

59:03SPEAKERI could tell you having temporarily acquired

59:07SPEAKERsome better monitors from work

59:09SPEAKERduring this work from home scenario,

59:11SPEAKERthat you should throw that thing in the dumpster

59:14SPEAKERand move on with your life.

59:15SPEAKERNo, don't do that.

59:16SPEAKER- But it's like an LCD monitor

59:17SPEAKERthat carries so many memories for me.

59:19SPEAKER- Don't do, donate it to give it to a library

59:22SPEAKERor somebody that could use it.

59:23SPEAKERI mean, I've been trying to think about

59:25SPEAKERwhat to do with mine and the eventuality

59:27SPEAKERthat I get something better on a permanent basis.

59:29SPEAKER- I think that can be a backer reward video

59:31SPEAKERwhen we hit a thousand, when we hit 500 backers

59:34SPEAKERor a thousand backers, we'll take those monitors out

59:36SPEAKERand we'll donate them with some baseball bats.

59:40SPEAKER- Did I mention the thing that has blown my mind the most

59:42SPEAKERabout having these modern monitors here

59:43SPEAKERwhile we're doing work from home,

59:45SPEAKERwhich is that they are like maybe a 10th

59:47SPEAKERof the weight of those things.

59:49SPEAKER- Oh yeah.

59:50SPEAKER- Like you can hold one under each arm

59:51SPEAKERand just like do jumping jacks.

59:53SPEAKERLike that's insane.

59:54SPEAKERLike it feels like a piece of paper.

59:56SPEAKERLike those old monitors must weigh 10, 15 pounds each.

1:00:01SPEAKER- Well, there's no tubes in the glass.

1:00:03SPEAKERThere's not that much glass.

1:00:04SPEAKER- No, I know these things are just like plastic

1:00:05SPEAKERand LEDs at this point, right?

1:00:06SPEAKERLike there's hardly anything in there.

1:00:08SPEAKER- I still have a dual monitor set up with that old monitor.

1:00:11SPEAKERAnd so one side is like a monitor I bought two years ago

1:00:14SPEAKERthat weighs nothing.

1:00:15SPEAKERAnd the other side is this one.

1:00:16SPEAKERSo the entire like arm like tilts to one side.

1:00:19SPEAKER- Totally.

1:00:20SPEAKER- Because of the weight distribution.

1:00:21SPEAKER- Like this is my problem whenever,

1:00:23SPEAKERif and when I decided to get a new monitor,

1:00:24SPEAKERI have to buy two of them

1:00:25SPEAKERbecause I can't abide that exact situation.

1:00:29SPEAKER- I made a bad monitor decision since we did this last time.

1:00:32SPEAKERAnd I turned a 34 inch ultra wide

1:00:35SPEAKERinto portrait orientation.

1:00:36SPEAKER- Yeah, it's magical.

1:00:39SPEAKER- Why would you do that?

1:00:40SPEAKER- I've seen the picture.

1:00:42SPEAKER- Look, it's complicated.

1:00:44SPEAKERIt's very tall.

1:00:45SPEAKERI think we talked about it last week.

1:00:46SPEAKERMaybe we should talk about it last week.

1:00:47SPEAKERI can't remember.

1:00:48SPEAKER- And the scroll is for phones, not for...

1:00:51SPEAKER- I mean, I can fit the whole internet on there.

1:00:52SPEAKER- If you want to be able to read the entire last hour

1:00:56SPEAKERof your Twitch chat all at once, then...

1:00:59SPEAKER- Yeah, that sounds great.

1:01:00SPEAKER- There you go.

1:01:01SPEAKER- Let's see, I got a question from Liz.

1:01:03SPEAKERThis is actually more of a comment.

1:01:06SPEAKERMy name is Liz.

1:01:07SPEAKERI'm from Bo Peep, Australia,

1:01:08SPEAKERwhich is my favorite place name we've gotten so far.

1:01:10SPEAKER- I looked that up.

1:01:11SPEAKERThat is in fact a real municipality.

1:01:14SPEAKER- That's amazing.

1:01:15SPEAKERI listened to your emergency kit episode a number of times

1:01:18SPEAKERand just wanted to make a couple of suggestions.

1:01:20SPEAKERI'm the community safety coordinator

1:01:21SPEAKERfor my local fire brigade

1:01:23SPEAKERwith a large part of my role being the education of locals

1:01:25SPEAKERto prepare them for fires.

1:01:27SPEAKERAs an Aussie, our emergency kits tend to be more aimed

1:01:30SPEAKERat bush fires and cyclones if you live up north,

1:01:32SPEAKERso I have a couple of suggestions

1:01:33SPEAKERfor people who live in fire zones.

1:01:35SPEAKERFirstly, a car-specific kit is a lifesaver,

1:01:37SPEAKERand specifically having woolen blankets is a must.

1:01:40SPEAKERIf you are caught in a fire,

1:01:41SPEAKERa woolen blanket, unlike a sleeping bag,

1:01:43SPEAKERwill protect you from radiant heat

1:01:45SPEAKERwhile laying down in the footwells of your car

1:01:47SPEAKERand is less likely to burn, melt,

1:01:49SPEAKERlike the synthetics found in a sleeping bag.

1:01:51SPEAKERThe radiant heat and smoke will kill you

1:01:53SPEAKERbefore the flames in many cases.

1:01:55SPEAKERThe other suggestions for people to have local emergency

1:01:57SPEAKERwarning apps on their smart devices,

1:01:59SPEAKERthis was one of the technological developments

1:02:01SPEAKERto come as a result of the Black Saturday fires,

1:02:02SPEAKERwhich occurred over here in 2009.

1:02:06SPEAKERSo that local app thing is incredibly important.

1:02:10SPEAKER- Do we have, what is our infrastructure like for that?

1:02:13SPEAKER- So we have some for, like we have Quake Alert,

1:02:16SPEAKERwhich is the earthquake early warning system

1:02:19SPEAKERthat uses the difference between the speed of light

1:02:21SPEAKERand the conduction of seismic waves through the rock,

1:02:24SPEAKERis my understanding, I could be wrong.

1:02:27SPEAKER- That's right, you can get up to 10 seconds early warning.

1:02:30SPEAKER- Well, yeah, that's enough time to tell you

1:02:32SPEAKERto put pants on, which is all I'm looking for.

1:02:35SPEAKERAnd then the other, in my experience in the US,

1:02:39SPEAKERand this could be wrong, is that most of the early warning

1:02:45SPEAKERand emergency stuff is by signing up for a text

1:02:49SPEAKERon your phone, not necessarily a dedicated app.

1:02:52SPEAKERSo like I'm signed up for the San Mateo, San Francisco,

1:02:56SPEAKERand San Mateo police, San Mateo sheriff,

1:03:00SPEAKERand San Francisco police, and they have a,

1:03:02SPEAKERif you go to your local police department's website,

1:03:05SPEAKERthey will have emergency alert services

1:03:07SPEAKERthat you can sign up for, is my experience.

1:03:10SPEAKERTry the fire department if you don't,

1:03:11SPEAKERand if you don't get that, you can call 311

1:03:13SPEAKERand the non, or the non-emergency line,

1:03:15SPEAKERand somebody there will be able to help you probably.

1:03:18SPEAKER- Can I ask a quick question about this?

1:03:20SPEAKERWhat are the mechanics, if you know of the woolen blanket

1:03:23SPEAKERprotecting you from radiant heat?

1:03:24SPEAKERDo you have any idea why that is the case?

1:03:28SPEAKER- Oh, it's because it insulates.

1:03:30SPEAKERSo insulators work both ways.

1:03:32SPEAKERThey keep you warm, they keep the heat in,

1:03:33SPEAKERthey keep the heat out.

1:03:36SPEAKERThe emergency fire, the foldy metal,

1:03:40SPEAKERmetallized plastic blankets, the Mylar ones,

1:03:43SPEAKERprobably melt in extreme heat would be my guess,

1:03:46SPEAKERis why you use a woolen blanket instead of one of those.

1:03:48SPEAKER- Okay.

1:03:50SPEAKER- But yeah, it's the insulating property.

1:03:52SPEAKER- Yeah, they're also, those Mylar things are really bad

1:03:55SPEAKERif you've run into electrical lines too.

1:03:58SPEAKER- Oh God, yeah, I didn't even think about that.

1:03:59SPEAKER- That's a Mylar electrical line joke, no?

1:04:02SPEAKER- Yeah, that's, wow.

1:04:04SPEAKER- That's a deep cut for helium balloons

1:04:06SPEAKERhitting electrical lines.

1:04:08SPEAKER- That's the daddest of dad jokes today.

1:04:11SPEAKER- I will shout out on this emergency response.

1:04:14SPEAKERIn San Francisco, they have neighborhood

1:04:16SPEAKERemergency response training units.

1:04:18SPEAKERSo each neighborhood has somebody that's in charge

1:04:21SPEAKERthat does neighborhood-specific training

1:04:24SPEAKERfor how to deal with stuff.

1:04:25SPEAKERSo in the case, it's mostly related to earthquakes.

1:04:29SPEAKERBut the training itself is really excellent.

1:04:31SPEAKERIt gives you a lot of very specific

1:04:35SPEAKERknowledge and techniques and stuff.

1:04:37SPEAKERThey even demonstrate how to do gas shutoff

1:04:40SPEAKERin the case of an earthquake.

1:04:41SPEAKERIt's great.

1:04:43SPEAKER- One of the other things I've learned about recently

1:04:45SPEAKERthat's really, really useful,

1:04:47SPEAKERespecially in a place where we are now,

1:04:49SPEAKERwhere a lot of people can't leave their houses,

1:04:50SPEAKERespecially if they're older or immune-compromised

1:04:53SPEAKERor whatever, there's a lot of mutual aid groups set up,

1:04:57SPEAKERespecially in major urban areas,

1:04:59SPEAKERwhere people who are healthy can go out

1:05:01SPEAKERand pick up groceries for your,

1:05:05SPEAKERso if you have a family member someplace

1:05:06SPEAKERthat they can't get groceries themselves and need help,

1:05:09SPEAKERdefinitely check out the mutual aid groups in their regions.

1:05:14SPEAKERAnd I've heard some incredible stories

1:05:18SPEAKERabout those folks helping people's parents

1:05:20SPEAKERand friends and whatever, so.

1:05:22SPEAKER- I'll be quick about this.

1:05:23SPEAKERI'm part of one of those that was like fliering

1:05:26SPEAKERthe Sunset neighborhood that I live in.

1:05:28SPEAKERWe got a cease and desist letter from the USPS

1:05:31SPEAKERabout putting flyers in people's mailboxes.

1:05:35SPEAKER- Oh man, well, you can't,

1:05:37SPEAKERdon't mess with the post office, I guess.

1:05:40SPEAKER- Federal crime, baby.

1:05:42SPEAKER- Wow, you're gonna do good in the big house, Keesh.

1:05:44SPEAKERYou're a safety bandit.

1:05:48SPEAKERSeveri says, "Suppose I wanted to get a gaming PC

1:05:51SPEAKER"on a not crazy budget and optimize

1:05:53SPEAKER"for performance per watt.

1:05:55SPEAKER"How should I go about doing this?

1:05:57SPEAKER"PC part picker?

1:05:58SPEAKER"Would laptops be a good choice?

1:05:59SPEAKER"Is underclocking a thing useful?

1:06:01SPEAKER"Should I go with Intel or AMD or Nvidia?

1:06:03SPEAKER"What do I do?

1:06:04SPEAKER"I don't know."

1:06:07SPEAKERThis is a question I have never considered before.

1:06:09SPEAKER- Yeah, I mean, if you were trying

1:06:11SPEAKERto maybe build some kind of home theater PC

1:06:14SPEAKERthat you wanted to be quiet

1:06:15SPEAKERor something that fits in a tiny enclosure, maybe,

1:06:17SPEAKERI could see some use cases for this.

1:06:19SPEAKER- Oh, I think it's a, I'm not saying it's a bad idea.

1:06:22SPEAKERLike, people who live on a solar,

1:06:24SPEAKERif you're living purely on solar

1:06:26SPEAKERand you wanna be able to charge your battery during the day

1:06:28SPEAKERand you know you need to get an excellent number of watts

1:06:30SPEAKERto be able to play games at night.

1:06:32SPEAKER- There is actually, in fact,

1:06:33SPEAKERthere's even a movement toward fanless PCs now.

1:06:35SPEAKERHave you seen this?

1:06:36SPEAKERLike, there are a couple of companies

1:06:37SPEAKERthat are starting to try to design

1:06:39SPEAKERtoward the goal of a PC without any active cooling.

1:06:43SPEAKER- That's bonkers.

1:06:46SPEAKER- Yeah, I agree, but you know, more power to 'em.

1:06:49SPEAKERAnyway.

1:06:50SPEAKER- So PC Part Picker doesn't,

1:06:52SPEAKERit lists watts in terms of the TDP

1:06:56SPEAKERand the power draw for a power supply,

1:06:58SPEAKERwhich is probably a good place to start.

1:07:01SPEAKERMy guess is that your best bet is gonna be a laptop

1:07:03SPEAKERand you can figure out how many watts you're gonna draw

1:07:06SPEAKERby looking at the power brick that it provides,

1:07:08SPEAKER'cause that's gonna give you an upper limit

1:07:11SPEAKERon how much power you're gonna pull.

1:07:14SPEAKERThe laptop's gonna have mobile GPUs and mobile CPUs,

1:07:17SPEAKERwhich means they'll be much more power efficient

1:07:19SPEAKERthan their desktop compares, their desktop counterparts.

1:07:24SPEAKERAnd you're probably gonna wanna look at 1080p panels

1:07:30SPEAKERso that you're not running,

1:07:32SPEAKERyou have the higher resolution to run,

1:07:33SPEAKERthe more pixels you have to draw,

1:07:34SPEAKERthe more calculations have to happen,

1:07:35SPEAKERand the more heat you're gonna,

1:07:36SPEAKERthe more energy you're gonna use

1:07:38SPEAKERand the more heat you're gonna generate.

1:07:41SPEAKERSo that's my, that's the quick and dirty answer.

1:07:43SPEAKERThis is one where I'd love,

1:07:44SPEAKERif people have expertise in this,

1:07:46SPEAKERI would love to get more feedback

1:07:47SPEAKERand you can post it on the Discord or send an email

1:07:50SPEAKERand we'll pass it along in a future episode.

1:07:53SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:07:55SPEAKER- Here's a good one.

1:07:57SPEAKERJean Andre says,

1:08:01SPEAKERI have a question.

1:08:02SPEAKEROver the years, I've collected a good portion

1:08:04SPEAKERof DVDs and Blu-rays.

1:08:05SPEAKERI would like to throw everything on a hard drive

1:08:06SPEAKERand be able to access it from all my devices.

1:08:09SPEAKERDo you have a good solution for this?

1:08:14SPEAKERYes.

1:08:17SPEAKERI have learned of a new piece of software

1:08:18SPEAKERto make this process a lot easier.

1:08:20SPEAKER- Oh, yeah, 'cause last time we talked about

1:08:22SPEAKERthe kind of manual process of having to rip disks

1:08:24SPEAKERand eyeball tracks and like match things up,

1:08:26SPEAKERand it's a lot.

1:08:27SPEAKER- So MakeMKV, MakeMKV/Handbrake

1:08:31SPEAKERis what we recommended last time.

1:08:32SPEAKERThere's a piece of software that my friend Rick introduced

1:08:35SPEAKERto me the other day called Automatic Ripping Machine,

1:08:37SPEAKERand it's basically--

1:08:39SPEAKER- Sounds like a heavy metal band.

1:08:42SPEAKER- It does heavy metal business.

1:08:44SPEAKERIt's a Linux distro that is tuned

1:08:48SPEAKERto basically do automated ripping of disks.

1:08:51SPEAKERSo you set it up, you give it the settings

1:08:53SPEAKERyou want it to rip at, and then you just plop disks in

1:08:56SPEAKERand it eats them and it turns them into MKV files for you

1:09:00SPEAKERin whatever compression you want,

1:09:02SPEAKERwhatever settings you want,

1:09:03SPEAKERwhatever extras you want pulled off,

1:09:05SPEAKERand it'll do all that seamlessly.

1:09:06SPEAKERNow, there's an old XKCD about the perils

1:09:11SPEAKERof automating things and then like having a new thing

1:09:14SPEAKERthat you have to futz with to keep working

1:09:16SPEAKERbecause the automation's always breaking,

1:09:18SPEAKERand this very much hits that category.

1:09:21SPEAKERI haven't spent any time at all with it yet,

1:09:22SPEAKERbut it's on my list of things to do during the quarantine,

1:09:25SPEAKERand I'll report back in when we have more data,

1:09:29SPEAKERbut it's called the Automatic Ripping Machine

1:09:31SPEAKERis the name of the distro.

1:09:36SPEAKER- I think that's it.

1:09:37SPEAKERDo you wanna do a question about VR?

1:09:40SPEAKER- Sure.

1:09:41SPEAKER- Okay.

1:09:43SPEAKERPaul Fogan asks, "It seems like you know a bit about VR

1:09:48SPEAKERand VR headsets, but you haven't talked about it much.

1:09:50SPEAKERWith Alex coming out, I have to get a VR headset

1:09:52SPEAKERand I'm thinking on which one to buy,

1:09:54SPEAKERand I'm even considering waiting for the next generation.

1:09:56SPEAKERThe Quest is really cool.

1:09:57SPEAKERI love its ability to play without a PC,

1:09:59SPEAKERbut I've had a chance to use it for hours

1:10:00SPEAKERand everything began to hurt.

1:10:03SPEAKERIf I can do serious work with my company on the headset,

1:10:05SPEAKERI can get it much cheaper,

1:10:07SPEAKERbut I'm afraid that none of the headsets

1:10:08SPEAKERare light enough for extended use.

1:10:10SPEAKERShould I wait for the next generation?

1:10:12SPEAKERShould I buy now?

1:10:13SPEAKERAre headsets ever gonna be good enough

1:10:15SPEAKERto just feel like a big screen for work or movie watching?

1:10:19SPEAKERAnd that's it.

1:10:20SPEAKERThat's the quote.

1:10:21SPEAKERAre any of the current headsets comfortable enough

1:10:24SPEAKERfor extended use?

1:10:25SPEAKERThey all look really big.

1:10:27SPEAKER- Is there any expectation of a quote unquote

1:10:28SPEAKERnext generation of headsets?

1:10:30SPEAKERI kind of feel like we're at the point

1:10:32SPEAKERwhere stuff has plateaued a little bit

1:10:34SPEAKERand they're sort of letting the market

1:10:36SPEAKERpopulate a little more.

1:10:38SPEAKER- It's a slower product cycle.

1:10:41SPEAKER- It's hard to imagine there are a bunch of,

1:10:43SPEAKERyeah, it's hard to imagine there are a bunch of

1:10:45SPEAKERradically more advanced headsets

1:10:48SPEAKERon the cusp of coming out in the next 12, 18 months.

1:10:52SPEAKER- I think we're gonna see

1:10:54SPEAKERcontinued incremental improvements.

1:10:56SPEAKERThe next big thing is probably eye tracking

1:10:58SPEAKERinside the headset so we can do foveated rendering.

1:11:03SPEAKERWhat that means is that they focus

1:11:05SPEAKERa lot of the computational power that does the rendering

1:11:10SPEAKERso we get really, really, really high fidelity

1:11:12SPEAKERin a really, really small area

1:11:15SPEAKERthat is the part of the screen that your eye

1:11:18SPEAKERis actually looking at and is able to see high detail in

1:11:21SPEAKERrather than doing high detail in the entire headset.

1:11:25SPEAKERI think that's a little ways off.

1:11:26SPEAKERWe might see that on Quest,

1:11:28SPEAKERon the mobile headsets first

1:11:30SPEAKER'cause I think they're gonna probably iterate faster

1:11:32SPEAKERthan we have seen on the desktop headsets so far.

1:11:35SPEAKERIf you look at the current product cycle,

1:11:38SPEAKEROculus and HTC both launched in 2016

1:11:42SPEAKERand then last year they rolled out new versions

1:11:44SPEAKERof both of their headsets and Valve launched the Index.

1:11:50SPEAKERIt remains to be seen how long Facebook

1:11:52SPEAKERis gonna keep the Quest as the mobile

1:11:55SPEAKERstandalone headset design.

1:11:57SPEAKERI don't think it's gonna be an annual upgrade for that

1:12:00SPEAKERbut it wouldn't surprise me if it's in every two years

1:12:02SPEAKERversus every four years or three years.

1:12:06SPEAKERThe other thing that is interesting,

1:12:08SPEAKERhe asked about comfort and ability to wear these

1:12:10SPEAKERfor extended periods of time.

1:12:12SPEAKERThe headsets that have hard straps,

1:12:16SPEAKERso the PSVR, the Vive Pro, the original Vive

1:12:19SPEAKERwith the Pro audio strap, the Index, the Rift S

1:12:24SPEAKERand I guess the original Rift and the Quest

1:12:27SPEAKERall distribute the weight really evenly

1:12:29SPEAKERacross your entire head.

1:12:30SPEAKERThe early headsets that had elastic straps

1:12:32SPEAKERor like a pair of ski goggles are really uncomfortable

1:12:35SPEAKERover long sessions.

1:12:37SPEAKERAnd the mobile headsets like the Quest

1:12:39SPEAKERwhere almost all of the weight of the battery

1:12:41SPEAKERand the electronics and the screen,

1:12:42SPEAKEReverything is concentrated in the front

1:12:44SPEAKERare pretty uncomfortable for extended sessions

1:12:47SPEAKERin my experience.

1:12:48SPEAKERIf you think you're gonna use a headset

1:12:50SPEAKERfor eight or nine hours a day,

1:12:51SPEAKERyou're gonna want something that is evenly balanced

1:12:54SPEAKERand that moves more of the weight to the back of the headset

1:12:57SPEAKERso your head's not just constantly being pulled down.

1:13:00SPEAKER- I did the FrankenQuest mod on my Quest

1:13:03SPEAKERand before it, I couldn't watch like Netflix

1:13:07SPEAKERand other media in it for more than like 45 minutes.

1:13:11SPEAKERBut now I feel like I could do something

1:13:14SPEAKERfor a couple of hours.

1:13:15SPEAKER- The FrankenQuest just so people know

1:13:18SPEAKERis when you take a Vive Pro audio strap

1:13:20SPEAKERand Velcro and duct tape it or zip tie it to your Quest,

1:13:26SPEAKERit's great, I did it for mine

1:13:27SPEAKERand it makes it much, much more comfortable.

1:13:29SPEAKER- Yeah, not duct tape, come on.

1:13:30SPEAKERI'm like a modern professional here.

1:13:33SPEAKERZip ties all the way.

1:13:35SPEAKERI saw like a Steam release

1:13:36SPEAKERthat there was like something like 40,000 concurrent users

1:13:40SPEAKERplaying Half-Life Alyx the other day, the day it came out.

1:13:43SPEAKERLike, do you think those numbers are big enough

1:13:47SPEAKERto start to move us towards like discussion

1:13:50SPEAKERof a next generation headset or is it like,

1:13:52SPEAKERare we a factor even more users away?

1:13:57SPEAKER- I mean, it's hard to say 'cause they charge 60 bucks

1:13:59SPEAKERfor Alyx, right, if you didn't have an Index, right?

1:14:02SPEAKER- Yes.

1:14:03SPEAKER- So I think that's probably more indicative

1:14:04SPEAKERof the number of Index users there are

1:14:06SPEAKERmaybe than the broader VR headset market.

1:14:11SPEAKERI'm really interested in seeing the Steam hardware survey

1:14:14SPEAKERnext when they show which, like how many Quest users

1:14:17SPEAKERhave hooked up a link cable.

1:14:19SPEAKERWe're still, they're still gated on supply on those.

1:14:22SPEAKERYou can, the bad Anker cable that works

1:14:26SPEAKERis shipping in like two weeks, three weeks.

1:14:29SPEAKERThe Oculus link cable, the fiber optic one

1:14:32SPEAKERthat's really comfortable and like five meters long

1:14:35SPEAKERis currently listed as not available in the US.

1:14:38SPEAKERSo, you know, there's still kind of supply problems

1:14:42SPEAKERand things like that.

1:14:43SPEAKERI mean, I think we're gonna continue to see

1:14:45SPEAKERconstant iteration in the designs for all of the headsets.

1:14:48SPEAKERYou know, HTC rolled out the Cosmos Elite just a month ago.

1:14:53SPEAKERI mean, it was probably three weeks ago or two weeks ago,

1:14:56SPEAKERbut it feels like about a year.

1:14:58SPEAKERSo I really, you know, it's really hard to say.

1:15:04SPEAKERI think the next big headset that's gonna be released

1:15:07SPEAKERis probably the one that goes with the PS5,

1:15:10SPEAKERbut that's probably more than a year away

1:15:12SPEAKERif I had to guess.

1:15:13SPEAKER- Any expectations with that thing in terms of,

1:15:16SPEAKERI don't know, tracking, like wirelessness potentially,

1:15:19SPEAKERany of that stuff?

1:15:21SPEAKER- Well, so the, wireless is tough.

1:15:25SPEAKERMy guess is that it doesn't, the headset,

1:15:27SPEAKERthe existing headset's pretty good.

1:15:29SPEAKERThe big problem they have is the controllers.

1:15:32SPEAKERIt wouldn't surprise me if they just up-res the headset,

1:15:34SPEAKERmaybe add some, build in some speakers, some headphones,

1:15:38SPEAKERand roll out like hand controllers that are more analogous

1:15:44SPEAKERto the index controllers or Oculus Touch.

1:15:47SPEAKER- You don't think they'll do something to replace

1:15:49SPEAKERthat kind of camera-based optical tracking?

1:15:51SPEAKERLike that's never been quite stable for me.

1:15:54SPEAKERMy guess is that they'll do multiple cameras,

1:15:56SPEAKERlike the, or, and probably they'll do inside-out.

1:15:59SPEAKERRight now they're doing outside-in tracking.

1:16:01SPEAKERMy guess is they switched to inside-out.

1:16:03SPEAKERThat seems to be the way the industry's moving.

1:16:05SPEAKER- Yeah, 'cause I mean, you know, there's a bunch of,

1:16:07SPEAKERa bunch of Windows Mixed Reality headsets on the market

1:16:09SPEAKERfor like barely over $200 that have inside-out tracking now.

1:16:13SPEAKER- So I don't know if Microsoft subsidizes those,

1:16:15SPEAKERbut I would guess that they probably did.

1:16:17SPEAKER- Okay, okay. - Yeah.

1:16:20SPEAKERSo I guess that'll do it for us today.

1:16:22SPEAKER- Cool.

1:16:23SPEAKERKishore, thank you so much for coming by

1:16:25SPEAKERand podcasting with us,

1:16:28SPEAKERanswering a bunch of coronavirus questions.

1:16:29SPEAKER- Yeah, really, really, really, really appreciate

1:16:31SPEAKERyour knowledge.

1:16:33SPEAKER- Hopefully it is accurate.

1:16:36SPEAKERI'll start there.

1:16:39SPEAKER- Hopefully it's still accurate in four days, yeah.

1:16:41SPEAKER- Yeah, exactly.

1:16:42SPEAKERThanks for having me on.

1:16:43SPEAKERI love this podcast.

1:16:44SPEAKERI wanna encourage people to go to your Patreon,

1:16:48SPEAKERI think as Will pronounced it.

1:16:49SPEAKER- God damn it.

1:16:50SPEAKERI guess that's what we're going with, I don't know.

1:16:53SPEAKER- I changed Patreon, it's a Patreon.

1:16:55SPEAKER- Okay, all right.

1:16:56SPEAKERGlad we're all about standards here.

1:16:58SPEAKERWe've standardized on this now, so.

1:17:00SPEAKER- I love that Kishore comes on the show

1:17:02SPEAKERand plugs our podcast when I was giving him

1:17:04SPEAKERan opportunity to plug something.

1:17:07SPEAKERBut you can find him when this is only a test on the reg.

1:17:09SPEAKERHe's a longtime contributor to Tested and a dear friend.

1:17:14SPEAKERAnd the Patreon is at patreon.com/techpod.

1:17:20SPEAKER- Yeah. - It's the end of the month,

1:17:21SPEAKERwhich means we have an important job, Brad.

1:17:23SPEAKER- Oh?

1:17:24SPEAKER- We have to thank our patrons.

1:17:26SPEAKER- Yes.

1:17:27SPEAKER- Starting with David Allen, who's our executive producer.

1:17:31SPEAKER- Executive producer, that's right.

1:17:33SPEAKER- Thanks, Dave, David.

1:17:35SPEAKERWe have a handful of associate producers now.

1:17:38SPEAKERWe have Ian Bailey, Graham Banks, Sam Buck,

1:17:42SPEAKEREzekiel Holoman, Paul Roost, and Thomas Shay.

1:17:46SPEAKERThank you all so much for supporting the podcast.

1:17:48SPEAKER- Yes, thank you.

1:17:49SPEAKER- Supporting the Patreon.

1:17:50SPEAKERIf you would like to learn how to support the podcast,

1:17:52SPEAKERyou can go to patreon, I hope you all are happy,

1:17:55SPEAKER.com/techpod, and we will keep doing this show.

1:18:00SPEAKERIt's been a lot of fun.

1:18:01SPEAKERAnd thank you all for your support.

1:18:04SPEAKER- Just a real quick thank you to everybody

1:18:06SPEAKERwho's been hanging out in the Discord also.

1:18:08SPEAKERJust the amount of expertise and knowledge

1:18:10SPEAKERand general range of topics that are covered

1:18:14SPEAKERby people in there has just blown me away so far.

1:18:18SPEAKER- We've added a few more channels

1:18:20SPEAKERsince the last time we talked about this.

1:18:23SPEAKERWe added a mister and other emulation channel

1:18:26SPEAKERbecause somebody on the pod is getting ready

1:18:28SPEAKERto make a mister.

1:18:32SPEAKERIt turns out we have a lot of musicians.

1:18:34SPEAKERWe had to add a music creation channel

1:18:36SPEAKERbecause they were spamming up the general chat so much

1:18:39SPEAKERthat, well, you know, it was nice.

1:18:41SPEAKERIt's a good place to have lovely conversations.

1:18:44SPEAKER- Yeah, if you want to see an in-depth conversation

1:18:46SPEAKERbetween musicians talking about configuring FPGAs

1:18:49SPEAKERto act as like digital signal processors

1:18:51SPEAKERand stuff like that, then that's the Discord for you.

1:18:54SPEAKERI've just, I've really enjoyed it.

1:18:56SPEAKER- It's a lovely community.

1:18:58SPEAKERIt's growing really at a lovely pace.

1:19:01SPEAKERAnd like people are, I think we're gonna probably

1:19:03SPEAKERhave to open a food channel soon if I had to guess.

1:19:07SPEAKERThere's a lot of home automation talk happening today.

1:19:10SPEAKERSo if you want to go in and nerd out

1:19:12SPEAKERwith some really smart people, it's a good place to go.

1:19:14SPEAKERAnd I think the tier for that is like two bucks a month.

1:19:17SPEAKERSo you can, anybody can hop in.

1:19:19SPEAKERAnd guests get it for free, Keesh.

1:19:21SPEAKERSo we'll send you an invite in a little bit.

1:19:22SPEAKER- Oh, awesome.

1:19:23SPEAKERBecause I think I'm gonna start a what to do

1:19:25SPEAKERwith my heavy old monitor chat.

1:19:29SPEAKER- They will have some ideas.

1:19:30SPEAKER- Well, thank you guys.

1:19:31SPEAKERThank you so much, Kishore, for coming by.

1:19:32SPEAKERAnd we will see you all next week.

1:19:36SPEAKERNext week.

1:19:37SPEAKERWe go plant some leeks in Animal Crossing.

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