00:00SPEAKERI've discovered something about myself, which is that I don't know how to function without eggs.
00:06SPEAKERYeah, I eat eggs every day, almost.
00:09SPEAKERI know eggs have been a topic of discourse for the last few weeks.
00:14SPEAKERI'm not looking to start any political conversations here.
00:17SPEAKERI'm just talking about the material realities on the ground right now.
00:20SPEAKERYeah, we were thrilled to get eggs last week.
00:22SPEAKERDid you find some?
00:23SPEAKERYeah, Amazon had them when Gina ordered groceries, just surprisingly.
00:30SPEAKERWe're seeing eggs around now, but they're very expensive, which we could afford it,
00:35SPEAKERbut $10 plus per dozen is a little hard to swallow.
00:40SPEAKERAnd just to be clear, they're not fancy eggs where they write the name of the chicken on the box.
00:45SPEAKERThese are bog standard, just in styrofoam packaging eggs.
00:49SPEAKERThose are the bargain basement eggs at the local bulk store that I'm talking about.
00:54SPEAKERBut the other thing is, I don't know exactly what the mechanisms are for the bird flu spread
01:00SPEAKERto humans, but I don't know if you're taking a risk by eating eggs right now or not.
01:04SPEAKERI don't know what the detection mechanisms are for making sure we are getting eggs from healthy hens.
01:09SPEAKERSo we had this conversation prior to January 20th in our house, and I did some quick research
01:16SPEAKERon the federal government's websites about avoiding getting H5N1 from food.
01:22SPEAKERAnd the thing about eggs is because it spreads so quickly in birds,
01:26SPEAKERthey cull the flocks immediately as soon as something tests positive.
01:30SPEAKERAnd they were confident at that time that H5N1 was not going to get into
01:37SPEAKERthe egg supply because of the speed at which the disease kills the birds.
01:42SPEAKERYeah, that sounds like there's still a chance.
01:45SPEAKERAlso, if you cook stuff to 160 degrees, it's fine.
01:47SPEAKERSo as long as you don't have a cold runny egg, you're fine.
01:51SPEAKERYeah. Well, cold egg, no runny yolk, yes. I'm a big runny yolk fan.
01:56SPEAKERI like it. I did poach. I poached some eggs and I was curious about how hot the yolk
02:00SPEAKERgot when I poached them properly and it was 165. So I was fine.
02:03SPEAKEROkay.
02:04SPEAKEREggs are delicious.
02:05SPEAKERYeah, no.
02:06SPEAKERI miss them.
02:07SPEAKERIt turns out, especially when I'm left to my own devices and there's not somebody else here to help
02:11SPEAKERshare the load, eggs are basically the load bearing pillar of my quick whip up a meal process.
02:17SPEAKERI hard boil a dozen at least every other week because quick snack, fast lunch, fast breakfast,
02:27SPEAKERwhatever, they're universal. The other thing I learned from reading the FDA's website was that
02:33SPEAKERif you are concerned about it, you can buy pasteurized processed egg. Obviously,
02:39SPEAKERyou're not going to get a runny yolk, but if you want to make scrambled eggs and stuff like that,
02:42SPEAKERthat stuff is all pasteurized and processed. That's why they use it in retirement homes
02:48SPEAKERand nursing homes and stuff like that is because you're less likely to get salmonella because the
02:54SPEAKERprocessed egg mixture is homogenized and pasteurized.
02:57SPEAKEROkay. Yeah, we considered the carton eggs, the egg beaters or so forth, but I did not
03:01SPEAKERrealize that stuff was pasteurized. Maybe I've got an out here.
03:05SPEAKERI think egg beaters are fake. I think egg beaters are fakes though.
03:08SPEAKERAre those fake eggs?
03:10SPEAKEROkay. Well, whatever. Real liquid egg, let's say, might actually suit then.
03:16SPEAKEROh no. It says it's made with real eggs. 100% egg whites.
03:20SPEAKEROh, 100%. Okay. I was going to say it could be made with real eggs and a lot of other things,
03:23SPEAKERbut I guess not.
03:25SPEAKERWell, hold on. They have a whole line of products. This is the original liquid egg substitute.
03:29SPEAKERThere's 100% egg whites. There's Southwestern style liquid egg substitute with vegetables.
03:36SPEAKERIt's capitalism doing the work once more.
03:40SPEAKERYes. I have considered alternatives, you know, beans, tofu.
03:46SPEAKERWhat about quail eggs?
03:48SPEAKERQuail eggs?
03:49SPEAKERYeah. You just get a bunch of quail eggs in like a 35 egg omelet.
03:52SPEAKERI was going to say I only need like three cartons to equal one pair of eggs.
03:57SPEAKERLook, I saw an ad for something the other day on YouTube. I think that was a guy that was trying
04:02SPEAKERto cut open quail eggs with like little like nail clipping scissors. Like it was clearly a chef and
04:07SPEAKERthe whole thing was like, Hey, get the right tools. And then it was an ad for someplace that you can
04:10SPEAKERbuy chef's tools. But I was like, cause you know, there's a, there's a thing specifically for topping
04:15SPEAKERquail eggs and giving it a nice round. But yeah, I was, I was just thinking, I'm glad I don't have
04:19SPEAKERto top quail eggs for a living. That seems like it would be pretty, I mean, I guess we're topping
04:23SPEAKERour own quail eggs here though. I don't know what the metaphor is. I got nothing.
04:27SPEAKERNo. The only quail egg ever had was raw on sushi.
04:30SPEAKEROoh, I had, I had quail eggs, I've had quail eggs and salads and stuff before too, but like,
04:35SPEAKERyou know, poached in the shell and the whole thing.
04:37SPEAKERWhat other egg options can we explore? Like, I mean, sure about platypus.
04:42SPEAKERUh, I don't think you want to eat a platypus egg.
04:44SPEAKERProbably not.
04:45SPEAKERI think they're like, I think they're pretty lousy with diseases, but I don't, I feel like
04:49SPEAKERif they're anything like koalas. Ew.
04:51SPEAKEROkay. I'm not sure we're going to get any koala eggs anytime soon.
04:55SPEAKERKoalas are, you know, lousy with chlamydia. Of course. It's a, it's a known problem.
04:59SPEAKERBut, uh, how dare you besmirch the honor of the noble koala.
05:03SPEAKERDuck eggs though, rip. Duck eggs are fantastic. I mean, I'm all about that duck life. If we,
05:08SPEAKERuh, I'll eat, I'll eat Peking duck for lunch. I'll eat duck eggs. They're,
05:13SPEAKERthey're a little more unctuous. They're tasty.
05:29SPEAKER[Music]
05:44SPEAKERWelcome to Brad and Will Made a Tech Pod. I'm Will.
05:47SPEAKERI'm Brad.
05:49SPEAKERUh, Brad, it is that time of month again. Well, actually it's,
05:53SPEAKERthis is going to be, this is going to be a day late, two days late.
05:55SPEAKERThis is a week late.
05:57SPEAKERWell, well, I mean, yeah, but it's like the end of the month is...
06:00SPEAKERYeah. We're just barely missing the end of January, but you know,
06:04SPEAKERthe standard is the last Sunday of the month.
06:06SPEAKERI know, but, but last week we had, we had video card embargoes to go through. So,
06:10SPEAKERso we're doing Q's and A's this week instead, which means we have an extra large crop.
06:16SPEAKERIt turns out when you do last month's, uh, Q and A two weeks early.
06:20SPEAKERYeah.
06:20SPEAKERAnd then you do this month's a week late. There are, there are seven by,
06:24SPEAKERby Google doc reckoning, there are 17 pages of discord questions.
06:29SPEAKERYeah. It's a lot of, so I was looking at emails. I was like, man,
06:32SPEAKERthere's not really that many emails. And then I was like, oh, right.
06:34SPEAKERI got to go back to December 14th. And, uh, there, there were a lot of emails.
06:38SPEAKERSo I think we should just get right into it. If you want to send an email,
06:42SPEAKERit's techpod@content.town. You can, you can send your missive there,
06:45SPEAKERor you can post a question in the Q's seeking a question seeking answers channel in the discord.
06:52SPEAKERThey both get to us in the same way. And if you're not in the discord,
06:55SPEAKERyou can get there by going to patreon.com/techpod and signing up for, uh, any tier of the Patreon.
07:00SPEAKERAnd you get access to the community discord, which is full of delightful people.
07:03SPEAKERTrue. People such as the askers of these questions.
07:08SPEAKERMany of them. Yeah.
07:09SPEAKERYeah. There's no time to waste. There are so many. I'm just going to jump right in here.
07:11SPEAKERI'm going to start with this discord question from annoyed and tired. Aside from fear,
07:17SPEAKERis there another big reason we both humans and specifically the United States haven't
07:22SPEAKERinvested in nuclear power? It's phenomenally expensive to set up
07:26SPEAKERbillions of dollars investment upfront. It takes a really long time. We talked about
07:30SPEAKERhow long it takes to build a fab a few months ago, a few weeks ago, I don't know, a while ago,
07:35SPEAKERbut it's nothing compared to what it takes to build a nuclear plant.
07:38SPEAKERYeah. I mean, I always see, you know, like, oh, it takes a decade to get a plant online
07:42SPEAKERfrom the approval or whatever, but like the proponents of nuclear would certainly have
07:46SPEAKERyou believe that a lot of that is jumping through regulatory hoops and like battling the people who
07:51SPEAKERare staunchly anti-nuclear and that like, oh, if you know, if the regulatory environment was
07:57SPEAKERmore permissive, then we could get these things going much faster and cheaper. I don't know who
08:01SPEAKERto believe there, honestly. Look NIMBY isn't an acronym for nuclear in my backyard, Brad.
08:06SPEAKERThat's all I'm saying. Yes. That's for sure.
08:09SPEAKERWhen you open up a nuclear, when you're like, Hey, I want to start a nuclear plant. Then people are
08:12SPEAKERlike, oh man, yeah, we, that's a, that sounds fantastic. Where's it going to be? Oh, it's three,
08:17SPEAKERthree blocks from your elementary school. Oh no, no, no, we don't, we don't want that. So, so yeah,
08:22SPEAKERI think it's all of that stuff. It takes a long time to get the regulatory stuff going. We haven't,
08:27SPEAKERas far as I know, started a new, like large scale nuclear plant in the United States in
08:32SPEAKER20 or 30 years, 40 years at this point, probably. Yeah. And there were places in Europe, like I
08:37SPEAKERthink Germany was literally decommissioning functional nuclear plants recently. Maybe they
08:43SPEAKERwere functional. I'm actually not sure, but I know that Germany has shut some plants down. Isn't,
08:47SPEAKERI think France is pretty strong on nuclear though. Right?
08:50SPEAKERYeah. France is, is, is big on nuclear. The, the newest one, the newest nuclear power plant
08:56SPEAKERin the United States was built 40, was open 42 years ago. The average age is 42 years.
09:03SPEAKEROkay. It's still pretty old. The newest reactor to enter service is the Vodel unit for an Alvin
09:10SPEAKERW. Vodel electric generating plant in Georgia that began commercial operation. Oh, this year,
09:15SPEAKERlast year, April 29th, 2024. So it is happening. Yeah. I mean, the thing, the thing I always see
09:22SPEAKERnuclear proponents say is that modern reactor designs are both way more efficient and way safer
09:27SPEAKERthan they used to be. I mean, that's what everybody says.
09:31SPEAKERYeah. I am absolutely not a subject matter expert. My, my gut feeling is that the shadows of Three
09:38SPEAKERMile Island and Chernobyl are so huge that a lot of, a lot of the resistance is kind of legacy.
09:44SPEAKERWell, I think people are afraid of it. I think people are afraid of it because the thing they
09:48SPEAKERcan't see. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Like, I think the general public also understands nuclear
09:56SPEAKERradiation, probably extremely poorly. Look, we've all watched Iron Man. We've
10:01SPEAKERall watched the Avengers and we know how the Incredible Hulk was made. And that's pretty
10:05SPEAKERmuch the extent of, I think most American scientific knowledge on the topic. The point of
10:11SPEAKERthe design, the modern design of like the newer reactors is that when they fail, they're supposed
10:17SPEAKERto fail in such a way that they don't go critical and don't do the thing that Fukushima did or
10:21SPEAKERThree Mile Island did or like super duper Chernobyl did. But, but yeah, I don't know.
10:30SPEAKERChernobyl is an ally or where there was like a fatal design flaw in the reactor that was known
10:34SPEAKERbefore it even went into construction and was kind of pushed through for other reasons than
10:38SPEAKERscientific ones. It's what happens when you don't have a good regulatory state controlling your,
10:43SPEAKERyour nuclear reactor growth and installation. The one place that there's a lot of nuclear growth is
10:48SPEAKERthere's a, there's several startups I know of that are spinning up a small scale nuclear
10:54SPEAKERgenerators for like disaster zones and stuff like that. So they're using like container size
10:59SPEAKERgenerators. Yeah. They can go on the back of an 18 Wheeler and replace like a, like a big,
11:06SPEAKERlike a cat, small, several megawatt generator for disaster relief and stuff like that.
11:12SPEAKERYeah. Yeah. I don't, I won't, I won't put anybody on blast here, but we have,
11:15SPEAKERwe have some folks on the discord who are working in that exact field in a startup capacity,
11:20SPEAKERworking on kind of portable and deployable reactor designs.
11:25SPEAKERSo I found a chart that shows when new reactors were turned on in the United States and the
11:31SPEAKERVodel unit three was in 23. The four was in 2024 Watts bar unit two, which is in Tennessee
11:38SPEAKERnear Chattanooga turned on in 2016. And then prior to that, the last one was in like 1996 or 1997.
11:46SPEAKERWe really don't turn them on very often. Yeah. There are a lot in the seventies and eighties.
11:52SPEAKERIt feels, I don't know, gut reaction feels kind of unfortunate to me again,
11:56SPEAKERnot a subject matter expert, but. Well, and I don't know if you saw,
12:00SPEAKERbut that's the concentrated solar salt plant outside of Nevada, outside of Las Vegas that
12:05SPEAKERyou see when you fly in, fly across the Mojave is getting shut down now too. They're not continuing
12:12SPEAKERto fund that. It, it, I think it was always a money loser. I don't know if it ever became,
12:16SPEAKERit was more of a test test situation. Back to coal, I guess for us then.
12:21SPEAKERYou know, it's the future. Yeah, of course, but go wrong. I don't know if you saw
12:26SPEAKERsometime last year, China demonstrated or some, some organization in China demonstrated kind of a
12:32SPEAKERlike a passive, not exactly a passively cooled reactor, but it was basically a fail safe
12:36SPEAKERsituation where it was effectively meltdown proof. Well, that's, that's the way all of the modern
12:43SPEAKERthird or fourth gen or whatever work is that I don't, I don't know. I mean, again, not an expert,
12:47SPEAKERbut the, the headlines about this made it out. Like this was a pretty radical new development,
12:51SPEAKERlike to the point that they did, they demonstrated it by pulling the cooling on the reactor. Oh,
12:55SPEAKERthat's fantastic. Literally put it into a meltdown situation to demonstrate the capability of it. And
13:01SPEAKERit did not, it did not melt down. So floats on the arrestor rods so that when the water goes away,
13:06SPEAKERthey just dropped down into place and they turn off the reactor. I don't know. Yeah. I don't know
13:10SPEAKERhow it worked, but it seemed, it seemed to be a pretty big deal anyway, the energy 21st century,
13:15SPEAKERwho knows where things are going? It seems, it seems like an area that probably bears more
13:21SPEAKERinvestment, but it's thorny. I mean, look, the growth of solar and the potential of solar is
13:26SPEAKERsuch that I think there's a, there's an argument that we need storage and things like that more
13:33SPEAKERthan we need. We need generation because of the stupid data center usage right now. But yeah,
13:42SPEAKERstorage also seems important. Like building big high, low reservoir systems where we can
13:47SPEAKERpump water up during the day when we have electricity generated from solar and wind,
13:50SPEAKERand then release it at night to generate hydro when there's no sun, stuff like that is good.
13:55SPEAKERYeah. Don't get, don't get me wrong. I would absolutely be fine with all green options if
13:58SPEAKERit could be capacity, but who was it that, Oh, I wish I had saved this. Who is it that's working
14:03SPEAKERon an orbital power generation station that is going to effectively beam energy back to earth
14:10SPEAKERvia microwaves? Oh yeah. That's Dyson sphere project. I do that right now. You put the solar
14:14SPEAKERsails out in orbit and then you beam the electricity back to your planet so you can
14:19SPEAKERharvest coal faster and better. I can't, it's just good science. I don't, I saw that story,
14:24SPEAKERbut I don't remember what it was. Yes. This one. Okay. Yes. This, this was scientists in China are
14:28SPEAKERworking on a solar based or sorry, a space-based solar power station. I mean, it makes sense.
14:36SPEAKERApparently like it's fully safe to beam the energy back with microwaves. Like they pass through
14:41SPEAKERstuff just fine. It's fine. I mean, look, what's the difference between a space-based power
14:47SPEAKERgeneration thing that beams back energy with the microwaves and a space-based microwave death ray
14:53SPEAKERthat you know, cooks people from space. It's the same thing. It's just a difference of amplitude,
14:59SPEAKERright? Yeah. They're the same picture, Brad, the same picture. Amplitude the right word there? I
15:03SPEAKERdon't know. I don't, I'm going to mess this up, so I'm not going to say anything. Frequency or
15:09SPEAKERamplitude or one of those, let's say. All right, let's move on to something we definitely know
15:14SPEAKERbetter than energy. Question for beach rave up next here. I love a beach rave. Yeah. For a long
15:21SPEAKERtime, I've carried around a superstition about using a real flash drive versus using a micro SD
15:27SPEAKERUSB converter, or these days an NVME enclosure. Are those fears founded? Do devices see the two
15:33SPEAKERthings differently and does it have implications for booting from them on older machines or
15:39SPEAKERbrowsing the files on a TV? This is one of those questions that I don't exactly understand the
15:44SPEAKERquestion, but I think I got the gist and it's also surprisingly complicated. Yeah. I do see
15:48SPEAKERwhere they're coming from because I do run into this. I have, I have a couple of SATA to USB
15:55SPEAKERcables. Yeah. The SATA end is a pretty fat plug. So I assume there's some kind of controller in
15:59SPEAKERthere. Like there's some conversion happening, which, you know, lets you take an off the shelf
16:03SPEAKERSATA drive, that SSD and plug it into anything as if it's a USB drive. Yeah. I have, I absolutely
16:09SPEAKERhave things. In fact, I believe my TV and my Xbox series X both refuse to recognize drives through
16:16SPEAKERthat thing as like USB drives. Like I can't. Even if they're formatted right? Yes. Like,
16:21SPEAKERlike I plug that thing into the Xbox and I get a message that it's not like a, not a supported
16:24SPEAKERdrive type or whatever. So, so there are, there are definitely situations where whatever controller
16:29SPEAKERis doing some conversion from other media to USB might not work with a given device. And in
16:35SPEAKERthose cases, I do just have to use a straight up off the shelf thumb drive, which kind of done with
16:40SPEAKERthumb drives. Like they're, they're unreliable. They're slow. Like I, I am, I am actually,
16:44SPEAKERI think, going to get an NVMe enclosure soon. So I just think that, but, but I, but I don't know if,
16:49SPEAKERI don't know if that'll work with my TV or my Xbox. So the thing I find, I don't try to put
16:55SPEAKERstuff on my TV or Xbox all that often, but the thing I find is that thumb drives are really
17:00SPEAKERuseful for things that I need a specific, like a whole image dumped onto a thing so that I don't
17:07SPEAKERhave to, so that I don't have to like wipe my two terabyte NVMe drive, every external NVMe drive,
17:16SPEAKERevery time I want to reinstall windows on something. Right. That's, that's a pain in the
17:19SPEAKERbutt. The, so I use NVMe enclosures all the time to copy stuff off of old SSDs onto a new SSD,
17:26SPEAKERlike to image an old SSD to a new SSD or something like that. If I'm, if I'm upgrading sizes,
17:31SPEAKERthe, the big problem with most devices I find is not the controller. It's the formatting on
17:37SPEAKERthe, on the drives. Cause if you default format an external drive, especially a larger one in windows,
17:44SPEAKERit'll put NTFS on it, which is really lightly supported everywhere but windows.
17:50SPEAKERUsually want to use exFAT for like kind of quote unquote crappy devices, like say your TV that is
17:57SPEAKERmaybe not super well-designed, like generally, generally something older,
18:00SPEAKERFAT32 or exFAT is a safer bet there. Yeah. I was going to say sometimes it's all the way back to
18:04SPEAKERFAT32, depending on how old it is. Obviously that has implications for how big a file can be. And
18:09SPEAKERsure enough, my use case for this typically is, Hey, I have this video file that Lex is having a
18:14SPEAKERhard time with and I need to put it straight in. And then the other thing that you don't get with
18:19SPEAKERlike a thumb drive or a flash drive is wear leveling. So your NVMe has, has, has logic
18:26SPEAKERinside it that will say, okay, we've used these cells on the NAND a lot, and they're going to get
18:31SPEAKERworn out if we keep using them exclusively. So we will put data in other cells and avoid these
18:36SPEAKERfor a while until everything's even. And you're, you're like, this is why thumb drives and compact
18:40SPEAKERflash cards or SD cards wear out faster than, than a flash and an SSD. So if you are doing a lot of,
18:49SPEAKERbut, but it's a, it's a large scale thing. So like when you use SD cards to record video every day,
18:55SPEAKERso you're working on a website where you shoot video every day and you're constantly recording
18:58SPEAKERvideo and you're cycling those cards in and out all day and you're wiping them every week. And
19:03SPEAKERlike they, they're going to wear out faster than like somebody who uses it twice a year to install
19:10SPEAKERnew versions of windows or copy files to their TV or something like that. Yeah, that's why,
19:15SPEAKERthat's why SD cards tend to wear out very quickly in raspberry PI's because Linux is constantly
19:19SPEAKERwriting log files to the card. That's why every PI I have, I set up log to Ram on there, which puts
19:25SPEAKERthe moves the logs into a Ram drive. So you're not wearing, and those, those cards have gone for
19:30SPEAKERyears now with that installed. So that helps. Yeah. Most of the PI stuff now defaults to that.
19:36SPEAKERIf you install from scratch, I've found like this like PI hole defaults to log to Ram. Now I believe
19:42SPEAKERyou mean if it's like a, like a pre-made image of something we made image for that,
19:45SPEAKERyeah. Or like, like a home assistant image or something. Yeah. If you're just doing straight
19:48SPEAKERraspberry PI OS, you'll have to set that up yourself. Yeah. Yeah. So, so yeah, if you're,
19:53SPEAKERbut if you're just using, if you're just using it to copy files, like occasionally thumb drive,
19:57SPEAKERit's all equivalent. If you're doing stuff constantly and doing a lot of work on it,
20:00SPEAKERthe SSD in an NVMe enclosure will give you a better result. Yeah. I mean, my, my biggest
20:06SPEAKERproblem with thumb drives these days is the write speeds are intolerable. Like they are,
20:09SPEAKERit's just so slow. Like again, again, it's usually a big video file I need to put on there so I can
20:14SPEAKERplug it in directly to play it on something. And when you're getting 20 megabytes a second on a
20:20SPEAKERfile that is gigantic, it's like, well, I guess I'm coming back in 30 minutes to watch this. So
20:25SPEAKERthat's the biggest reason I'm going to get an NVMe. So I will tell you, there's a wide variance in
20:31SPEAKERthumb drives. I bought a couple of SanDisk, new SanDisk thumb drives, cause my old ones had,
20:37SPEAKERlike I had these little, the ones that just like are the nub that poke out of the USB-A port. I
20:41SPEAKERwanted something that I'd see on one side, nay on the other. And the, I tried three before I found
20:48SPEAKERone that was sufficiently fast. So there is variance in the controllers and the, and the
20:53SPEAKERthumb drives, and it's worth actually spending 10 bucks more on a good one. And don't use the ones
20:58SPEAKERyou get at trade shows, please, for the love of God. Yes, definitely not. The thing I am looking
21:02SPEAKERat now is which enclosure to get for an NVMe drive because the 10 gigabit per second ones are
21:09SPEAKERplentiful and cheap. The 20 gigabit per second ones are still quite expensive and also apparently
21:13SPEAKERare just like hot as hell. And that's like, we're not just talking to heat from the NVMe drive,
21:18SPEAKERlike the controllers in the enclosures apparently also generate a shitload of heat.
21:23SPEAKERLike people, people saying like, Hey, these things get too hot to touch while they're in use,
21:27SPEAKERwhile they're being written to. So I don't know if it's worth getting a 20 gigabit
21:33SPEAKERper second enclosure just yet. I might, I might get a 10 because that's still like a good gigabyte
21:38SPEAKERa second, which like, come on, that's probably fine for a while. So I was going to say you're
21:42SPEAKERgoing to be fine with a 10, 10, like we use at PC world, we use these tough gaming AS 1000s, which
21:50SPEAKERare, or maybe they're A1s, I'm not sure. They're an ASUS, an ASUS external, like NVMe cage. It's
21:59SPEAKERreally, really sturdy. It's waterproof and dust resistant when you seal it up the way they tell
22:04SPEAKERyou to. And they're like, it's just, I don't notice a whole lot of speed difference between
22:11SPEAKERthat and an internal drive for copying. And we're almost exclusively using to copy large files.
22:17SPEAKERSo I'm on their site right now. They really go out of their way not to say where, okay, here,
22:23SPEAKERoh, these are 10 gigabit ones. Okay, sure. These are 10 gigabit ones. Okay. Yeah, sure. I mean,
22:26SPEAKERI had 10 is probably fine. Like you can get a good, you know, they're $20 10 gigabit enclosures
22:31SPEAKERthese days. So I was going to say, I have an NVMe that's a 10 gigabit, $20 one, a USB cage,
22:38SPEAKERand it is not, I've never seen 10 gigabit out of it. It is slow and janky. And if I do a huge
22:45SPEAKERtransfer, it craps out. I threw one in the trash before I got to the one that I like.
22:50SPEAKERTo be fair, the one you just held it up, it's one of the ones that doesn't even close the drive.
22:54SPEAKERIt's basically just a bare circuit board with the NVMe drive just open to the air.
22:59SPEAKERHow do you, what do you, you want to coddle it? You want to put it in a little house?
23:03SPEAKERI mean, I mean, most of these things have a lot of passive cooling in them. Like,
23:06SPEAKERlike I've actually wonder if you're thermal throttling and one that doesn't have any cooling
23:09SPEAKERfor the drive. Look, I have little, I have little, I have little heat sinks that I stick on there
23:15SPEAKERthat I have little, a little graphite pads on the bottom that I just rest on there. It's fine.
23:19SPEAKERThe last thing I was gonna say real quick, if you're using a giant dry, like a two terabyte
23:22SPEAKERdrive, and you're talking about like having to format ex-fat or whatever, you should just
23:25SPEAKERpartition it. It should just make a 512 gig or even like 128 gig partition, something small-ish
23:32SPEAKERand format that to ex-fat. And you can still use the rest of it in TFS.
23:36SPEAKERSo I find that sometimes weird with booting depending on, on what you're trying to boot into.
23:42SPEAKERSo when I was doing a lot of bizite stuff and all that, it was, it was always questionable what was
23:47SPEAKERgoing to boot the right way and whether it was going to recognize it once you got into the boot
23:52SPEAKERthing on a multi, like a lot of the installers are designed for a single partition device. So.
23:58SPEAKERLast question from this before we move on, does, does this have implications for booting from
24:03SPEAKERthose devices? Like those, those little SATA cables I mentioned, like I've never had a problem
24:07SPEAKERbooting a machine, booting a PC off of those things. So those tend to work just fine. Like
24:11SPEAKERcomputers tend to read all forms of external storage fine. In my experience, it's usually
24:17SPEAKERan embedded devices like TVs and stuff that have an issue. Yeah. The lower power device,
24:22SPEAKERthe worse your time is going to be generally speaking. Let's see. Here's a question from
24:27SPEAKERSpasium. Would you consider making a forum like Shaq news, not like a PHP forum, but one that looks
24:34SPEAKERand feels like the Shaq news chatty. I'll, I'll jump in here and mention, I don't know what the
24:38SPEAKERname for this is like nested comments, I guess is the way to describe this. It's like, it's kind of
24:42SPEAKERthe slashdot forum. Discord calls it a forum. So it's like, it's like a channel in discord
24:50SPEAKERthat instead of having a rolling scroll of text, there's top level posts. And then you can reply to
24:56SPEAKERthose. There's a conversation happening in those top level posts, basically. Actually, I feel like
25:00SPEAKERan idiot. It's Reddit. Like to be, to be on, to be abundantly clear, it's just Reddit. It's just,
25:05SPEAKERit's just comments with nested comments underneath them. It's definitely a reference point. Everybody
25:12SPEAKERshould understand. You're saying Shaq news was the original Reddit, basically is what I'm hearing.
25:16SPEAKERKind of actually, or slashdot maybe. I don't know who did it first actually.
25:22SPEAKERDo either of you still find that format more compelling than the more transitory nature of
25:26SPEAKERdiscord? I like the Shaq news format a lot. I like the nested, nested style of comment replies.
25:32SPEAKERYeah. I would never run a forum like that because the burden of having to be the person responsible
25:39SPEAKERfor what gets posted on the forum and having to moderate the forum and all of that stuff
25:44SPEAKERseems like a nightmare. There's, there's something nice about the transitory nature of discord.
25:48SPEAKERIt, when I, when I used to mad because it's like the maximum PC forms were pretty big and it was
25:53SPEAKERa fair amount of work to maintain them. And honestly, the forms that tested in giant bomb,
25:58SPEAKERI don't, I don't, you guys didn't do a whole lot of moderation. You had a pretty good mod team on
26:01SPEAKERthe giant bomb. We definitely had moderators. Like Rory was in charge of, was mostly in charge of
26:06SPEAKERliaising with moderators. So we, we had a couple of moderators untested, but the traffic was never
26:12SPEAKERreally high. On maximum PC, it was an unbelievable amount of work to keep the moderators, to keep
26:17SPEAKEReverything going and to keep the, keep the peace there. Yeah. The transitory nature means that a
26:22SPEAKERlot of things that are going to upset people or cause problems just are gone by the time
26:27SPEAKERsomebody who'll be pissed off about them, see them. And that makes everything easier. Also,
26:33SPEAKERI don't feel like I have to read the whole thing when it's a forum, when it's a forum,
26:37SPEAKERI feel like I have to read everything. You know what I mean? Sure. Sure. Yeah. I'm pretty bummed
26:42SPEAKERabout the collapse of the shack news community that has taken place over the last few weeks.
26:46SPEAKERCause I basically have gone to that site every day for the last almost 30 years. Yeah. Since it was
26:52SPEAKERthe quake, Holyo. Yeah. Kind of sad. And also just sad to see that style of a forum that formats kind
26:59SPEAKERof going out of fashion outside of Reddit. I kind of always thought that old forums didn't die. They
27:03SPEAKERjust faded away, but it turns out sometimes they also just die. Sometimes the bottom just falls
27:07SPEAKERout. Everybody should have just moved to blues news because blues is still going strong. Blue
27:11SPEAKERis still posting just like, but just like it's 1997 again, such a trip. It is such a trip going
27:16SPEAKERto blues news these days. Cause he's still there posting constant gaming news up to now,
27:22SPEAKERbut with the exact same site design he's had for 25 years. I love it. It's such a weird anachronism.
27:28SPEAKERI sent a Anna Cruz's press releases and he posted him every single time, 100%, 100% pick up. Yeah.
27:34SPEAKERSo shout out to blue. Blue's doing all right. I was a shack shack news regular too. And I am sad.
27:41SPEAKERIt's gone. The discord's nice. The folks who run in the discord that they moved migrated to
27:47SPEAKERare doing a really nice job. They're doing it. They're doing like, Hey, Hey guys, here's how to
27:52SPEAKERuse. We're going to teach you how to use discord. There was a discord introductory session on Sunday
27:56SPEAKERthat I thought was the, I thought it was a cool thing to do. So they're, they're working to keep
28:01SPEAKERthe community together, which I love. Yeah. A question from annoyed and tired. You think
28:07SPEAKERthat in 30 years, we'll have to convert media like photos and video, like, wow, we now have
28:11SPEAKERto convert VHS and CDs. Eternally. Yeah. It's the, that's the future, but maybe I don't know. I, I,
28:19SPEAKERI feel like once we get it at digital, you know, he's talking about, he's talking about physical
28:24SPEAKERand in some cases, analog media, but like once everything is digitized, I feel like it's mostly
28:27SPEAKERjust going to hang around for probably the rest of our lives, at least because, you know, there
28:32SPEAKERare enough tools like FFmpeg out there that don't deprecate support for old formats aggressively,
28:37SPEAKERthat yet by and large, if you've got something already encoded digitally, you're probably going
28:42SPEAKERto be able to read it just fine. I mean, I think, I think there's a, the other problem is that
28:47SPEAKERbit rot on all media exists. So even your hard drives, your SSDs are definitely SSDs unpowered
28:55SPEAKERare good for like five years. I think is the, is the spec for most SSDs. So you like your, your,
29:03SPEAKERthe problem becomes a, what happens to these old weird formats? So like if you downloaded
29:09SPEAKERreal music stuff in 1998, 19 or 2001, that's probably unplayable. Now, any, any DRM to WMA
29:17SPEAKERfiles are going to be an enormous pain in the ass to get into probably. I have just searched
29:23SPEAKERmy NAS for, for dot RM files. Yeah. I bet VLC plays them. Let's see here is here's one. Well,
29:31SPEAKERhere's Lieberman dot RM. Don't open that one from 1999. Oh boy. That's going to be about video games.
29:39SPEAKERHere's a, here's a couple of RMS in a, in a nested folder called Tenacious DWHFS interview.
29:45SPEAKERThat's probably okay. I'm going to, I'm going to drag this into MPV.
29:50SPEAKERDouble-click. It's not, I don't hear anything. This is the problem. It is not playing. I,
29:56SPEAKERI, you know, I'll, I'll revisit that. Yeah. I bet, I bet VLC would play it.
30:01SPEAKERAll right. If I think it couldn't convert it, but like, like the other day I pulled,
30:05SPEAKERthis is maybe a little bit of a deep cut. This is circa 2006. Do you remember birds dot MOV?
30:12SPEAKERNo, it was like an early sort of pre viral viral video on the internet. It's it was,
30:18SPEAKERit was made by some art collective in France. I think they're, I think they're French.
30:23SPEAKERIt'll be hard to find. Now, if you search birds dot MOV now, you're just going to get a lot of
30:26SPEAKERbird videos, but it was, it was, it was a, it was this really nice artsy video of a bunch of
30:31SPEAKERslow motion dogs, sort of like flying through the air with like laser lights. Yeah. That came up
30:38SPEAKERrecently. That came up recently and I looked and sure enough, I still had it from 20 years ago.
30:44SPEAKERIt's but it's a, it's a super old QuickTime video encoded in a Sorenson codec, but I was still able
30:50SPEAKERto convert it with FFmpeg to something modern and play it just fine. But you converted it?
30:55SPEAKERWell, no, actually it played, it played out of the box on an MPV. Okay. So it played just fine,
31:00SPEAKERbut I mean, okay. Yes. If we're the letter of the question, are we going to have to keep converting
31:05SPEAKERmedia then yes. Yes. Like wherever and ever. Amen. Common, common players will drop support for old
31:10SPEAKERcodecs and stuff, but there will still be tools around that you'll be able to do that with.
31:14SPEAKERLook, you can't play a CD on the PlayStation 5.
31:18SPEAKERWell, yeah. I mean, that's more a question of hard, like they didn't put the laser in to,
31:21SPEAKERto read a CD though. Like that's more a question of saving either, either saving on the bill of
31:26SPEAKERmaterials or maybe those things are not widely available anymore. Actually. Brad, can you even
31:31SPEAKERplay a DVD on the PS5? I, I don't know. That's a good question actually. Oh, okay. Yes. I got an
31:39SPEAKERanswer. I'm on the support page here. But no CDs. PS5s can play DVDs, Blu-rays, ultra HD Blu-rays,
31:49SPEAKERbut no CDs, which I, again, is I understand is just because they don't have the right kind of
31:53SPEAKERlaser to read them in there. I believe. It won't play BDRs. It won't play eight centimeter disks,
32:00SPEAKERthe little baby disks, like a game cube disk. They want you to think that actually I would,
32:05SPEAKERI would not put a tiny disk in my PS5. You might never get it out again. That's going to be a
32:09SPEAKERproblem. I don't think I've ever used the display or my PS5. I've used it like basically to test
32:15SPEAKERit. I've put a couple of old PS4 games in there that I wanted to dabble with a little bit, but.
32:19SPEAKERAh, I can see that. But, but yes, it's as much as, as much as I decry the looming death of the
32:26SPEAKERoptical drive and video game consoles, like I have to admit they are not widely used for most, for
32:33SPEAKERmost people at this point. Nope. Anyway, neuro flare in the first patron episode, this was a
32:40SPEAKERdeep cut. You mentioned someday asking Toto for washlets to review when you're big enough.
32:47SPEAKERHave you ever asked or, and would you, I have not asked, I don't know about you.
32:51SPEAKERI have not asked. I also am not plumbed appropriately for, I don't have a power
32:55SPEAKERplug in a safe place to put the washlet, to plug the washlet in.
33:00SPEAKERYeah, I definitely, and in this apartment would not be equipped to test such a product.
33:05SPEAKERLook, I also, the other problem I realized I have is I don't think I have enough clearance on either
33:10SPEAKERside of the toilet. Cause our toilet is not to modern code because it was built, the house was
33:14SPEAKERbuilt in 56 and it's real close on both the left and the right. So, yeah, I think the Totos are
33:23SPEAKERpretty narrow, but like those, those bidets that have the arm that comes out on the right side,
33:29SPEAKERwon't fit in our bathroom. Really? That is what we have. Is a washlet is the, in the Toto parlance,
33:36SPEAKERis that an entire toilet? That's not just an add on. It's just the top. It's like, it's like the
33:40SPEAKERlid. It's like lid and seat. It doesn't have to be the entire toilet. Although they certainly will
33:44SPEAKERsell you an entire toilet for upwards of $5,000. If you want to pay that. Yeah. I like the, I like
33:50SPEAKERthe toilets that look like they're not making toilets that don't have a tank on the back. And
33:55SPEAKERthey look like I was, I was thinking it was like RV or houseboat toilets. Yeah. I don't know. It
34:02SPEAKERseems like some, some of these look like they maybe don't look here. Here we are. G four 50
34:06SPEAKERintegrated smart toilet. Yeah. That's a great smart toilet. I mean, what, what? Okay. I mean,
34:14SPEAKERI might, I I'm, I'm thinking I might have to dig up a press contact for this one. I want to know
34:19SPEAKERwhy the toilet smart bread. Yeah. I don't know why I kind of went into this podcast thinking I would
34:25SPEAKERsolicit a lot more products for review or testing than we actually do. And I'm not sure why I've
34:31SPEAKERbacked away from that. The format isn't great for it. Cause a lot of the stuff that you would review
34:36SPEAKERwon't, won't hold a 45 minute or hour long podcast. Like there's not enough to talk about
34:42SPEAKERand, and lacking a video component makes it tough sometimes to show off certain sorts of things we
34:47SPEAKERhave done in the past here and there. Yeah. I don't know. It might be something I had started
34:52SPEAKERpursuing a little more because there's a lot of interesting stuff out there to try and talk about.
34:57SPEAKERYeah. I also also a lot of the stuff that I would be interested in trying, it has some secondary
35:03SPEAKERcosts associated with it. Like somebody was trying to send us, send us smart blinds, which I think
35:09SPEAKERwould actually be really useful to try. Oh yeah. But like installing and doing power and all that
35:15SPEAKERstuff and, and getting the ones that are the right size for your windows, it turns out was fraught.
35:20SPEAKERAnd we have to replace our windows soon. So it's like, you know. Yeah. Power has always been the
35:25SPEAKERhang up for, for me on smart blinds as nice as they would be. I can still pull a cord. Honestly,
35:32SPEAKERit's not that big deal. This a Washlet G450 has the tornado flush system, which is complete with
35:39SPEAKERtheir CEF ion tech to ion barrier glaze. It minimizes sticking debris. Ionized toilet water
35:46SPEAKERis something everybody needs in their life. I just want the toilet to sing a little song when I come
35:50SPEAKERin in the middle of the night and be like, Hey man, I'm ready for you. There's a, there's a,
35:54SPEAKERhere's a question from dairy guy that I meant to read right after that, that kind of external USB
36:00SPEAKERbridge and micro, you know, micro SD cards getting killed by constant rights question.
36:05SPEAKERThis is a good follow up here. Again, dairy guy is the asker here, which is more useful,
36:10SPEAKERa raspberry PI five or a mini PC. Let's say you want to have a Plex media server and run
36:16SPEAKERhome assistant. You can only have one, which one would you buy? I think I might, this is tentative,
36:23SPEAKERbut I might be done getting raspberry PI's because the upward creep of raspberry PI prices and the
36:29SPEAKERdownward kind of the decline of, of cheap, fast X 86 pricing has reached close enough to a convergence
36:37SPEAKERthat I think it actually probably makes more sense to like, you're going to get way more
36:41SPEAKERhorsepower for the money. I'm getting a lot of these, a lot of these little low end, especially
36:47SPEAKERlike fanless X 86 boxes. Like they're definitely still more, but they're not that much more now,
36:51SPEAKERlike when a raspberry PI five, especially with a case and you have to buy the power supply
36:55SPEAKERseparately and everything, it's like well up over a hundred dollars. See, I just make the case.
37:01SPEAKERWell, you can do that, but well, actually, I mean, for a modern one, I don't know that I would
37:06SPEAKERrecommend that these days because the fives is like the fours were on the cusp, but the fives
37:10SPEAKERabsolutely need cooling, like substantial cooling. You can cut fan holes in the laser.
37:17SPEAKERYou could bolt a heat sink and fan on yourself if you want. But I mean like a really good raspberry
37:22SPEAKERPI case is like 20, 30 bucks these days. It's not the end of the world, but the bigger thing
37:27SPEAKERis these little Alder Lake in X 86 boxes are way faster and they have quick sync,
37:32SPEAKERwhich is fantastic for Plex as we've talked about for transcoding. Yeah. And, and like,
37:37SPEAKERthis is the big one to me, the, the Ram and storage is user replaceable and that's where
37:41SPEAKERthe SD card connection comes in. I mean, because those, those, the X 86 boxes take their own,
37:46SPEAKERlike they have user replaceable or not even replaceable. They tend to not come with Ram,
37:50SPEAKERlike you buy your own Ram and they have M.2, they typically have NVME sockets for storage. So
37:58SPEAKERyou can put bigger and more durable storage and more Ram in there than you would get out of a PI.
38:04SPEAKERI think those Beelink mini PCs that I get have Ram soldered on probably.
38:09SPEAKERI'm sure some of those embedded ones do. The ones I'm talking about are the,
38:12SPEAKERlike these are all over all the express and stuff like these are. Yeah. In fact, you, you can,
38:17SPEAKERyou can buy them pre-configured or you can buy them bare with no storage or Ram and add your own.
38:21SPEAKERLike they're, they're, they're just, they're just faster and more expandable for not that much more
38:26SPEAKERmoney these days. For me, this is a, this is a, sometimes one thing is the right thing and
38:30SPEAKERsometimes the other thing is the right thing. Like I still run my PI hole on the, on the Raspberry PI.
38:37SPEAKEROh yeah. Yeah. I mean, my PI hole is a Raspberry PI two that does nothing but run PI hole. Like
38:41SPEAKERthere are certainly still use cases for a tiny low power thing. Yeah. And, and, and to me,
38:46SPEAKERthat's the perfect case. Cause that thing runs all the time. It's like, I don't want to have
38:51SPEAKERthat on a machine that's more likely to fail. Right. And I don't want to, I also don't need
38:59SPEAKERto have a real computer running that cause it's just going to use extra electricity. And as we've
39:02SPEAKERpreviously established, our electricity is crazy expensive here. So, you know, the question here
39:08SPEAKERwas like Plex and Home Assistant, you know, like we're talking something that's probably going to
39:12SPEAKERrun more than one thing. Like you're definitely not going to run Plex on a, on a Raspberry PI.
39:16SPEAKERYeah. But at the same time running Home Assistant on an x86 machine is really hard.
39:20SPEAKERIt is, it is not, it is not very friendly for that kind of stuff in my experience.
39:25SPEAKERYeah. Actually in that case, like Home Assistant is an example of the thing I would put on its own
39:29SPEAKERdevice just because you don't want your lights to stop working if you're like tinkering with
39:33SPEAKERother things. Yeah. And you know, like if you, if you have to reboot the machine or take it down to
39:38SPEAKERmess with something and then somebody else in your house is like, Hey, why can't I turn the light on
39:42SPEAKERanymore? That's not a great situation. Yeah. Home Assistant should be split out to its own,
39:48SPEAKERits own thing, but, but by and large, if you're going to run like a bunch of things on a,
39:52SPEAKERon a little low power thing, I would go for one of those x86 boxes at this point.
39:56SPEAKERYeah. Well, and the nice thing about the Home Assistant stuff is with the plugins,
39:59SPEAKERyou can run, like they have a whole plugin, a community plugin architecture that uses
40:04SPEAKERDocker containers. That's pretty transparent to the user. So like if you have lightweight stuff
40:09SPEAKERthat you want to run, like a, like a WireGuard NAS, WireGuard VPN, or Let's Encrypt certificate
40:20SPEAKERsigning thing, or any of that kind of stuff, you can run that low power stuff inside the Home
40:25SPEAKERAssistant. Like I wouldn't run Pi-hole in there, but pretty much everything else that you would run
40:29SPEAKERon a Raspberry Pi type machine, if you do a Home Assistant Pi 4 or Pi 5 install, you can probably
40:35SPEAKERdo that. And then, and then having the other machine, the x86 machine to run your server stuff
40:42SPEAKERmakes a lot of sense to me, like run real server, like then you can run game servers, you can run
40:46SPEAKERPlex, you can run all of that. And, and the only gate on that is what your Quick Sync supports in
40:52SPEAKERmy experience. It's funny, something's changed on Plex in the recent months. My Plex server is
40:57SPEAKERcomplaining about transcoding again. So I have to look and figure out what's going on with the Quick
41:01SPEAKERSync stuff. Cause it's being janky. Interesting. Always something. There's like, yeah, but sometimes
41:10SPEAKERI w I think I just make more work for myself. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Here's a double whammy from
41:16SPEAKERAnnoyed and Tired. Annoyed and Tired is prolific this month. Oh yeah. I guess this is maybe three
41:21SPEAKERquestions. It might be a record. Why are website tabs so RAM dependent? That's the whole question.
41:31SPEAKERYes. Yeah. So in my head, I often think of a website tab as being a thing that's like,
41:38SPEAKERyou know, a megabyte of, of, of, of stuff that you download and, and you know, that's what,
41:46SPEAKERthat's what display I'm thinking about the web in nineties terms. Right now I'm looking at my
41:52SPEAKERFirefox task manager, my process manager in Firefox and my home assistant tab is 172 megs
41:59SPEAKERof memory used my B-link.com tab that I opened up to look up and see if my memory is upgradeable
42:06SPEAKERis 201. Google.com. That's just google.com. The search engine page is 795 megabytes. Oh my God.
42:18SPEAKERThere's another google.com. That's 179. I think that that one, I think the 795 might be aggregating
42:24SPEAKERGmail and drive and a bunch of other stuff. The Google doc. I just opened the task manager for
42:30SPEAKERmy Chrome instance. The Google doc that has all the questions in it for this podcast we're
42:35SPEAKERrecording now is about 300 megabytes. Yeah. We'll see that Toto. Oh, okay. Look,
42:42SPEAKERshout out to Toto. Cause I still have that washlet page open. That's only 60 meg.
42:46SPEAKERThat's paltry. I have Nabu Casa. Oh, that's the worker for receiving notifications from the home
42:56SPEAKERassistant cloud thing is 34 megs. That's my low one. Modern web's a nightmare.
43:00SPEAKERYeah. I mean, look, we're not, we're not web developers. I don't think we can say definitively,
43:05SPEAKERbut like web pages are doing a lot these days. Are they doing what they're doing efficiently?
43:09SPEAKERI'm not here to speak affordatively on that subject. Some people would certainly tell you
43:14SPEAKERthat there is a lot of waste and inefficiency in modern web development practices.
43:21SPEAKERIn fact, there, I bet there are, I bet there are a lot of people on our discord who could
43:23SPEAKERspeak to this question very directly, actually. I mean, just, just, you can always load your
43:28SPEAKERdeveloper tools in your browser, different browsers, call them different things,
43:32SPEAKERbut in Firefox, it's called web developer tools and you get to it by hitting control shift I.
43:36SPEAKERAnd then if you go over to the memory tab, it'll show you, you could take a snapshot and it'll tell
43:42SPEAKERyou what the page is using and why the memory is there. And like, there's a million little,
43:48SPEAKERon this Beelink page, not to pick on Beelink, there's a little tiny section. That's the actual
43:52SPEAKERcontent of the page. And then there's an enormous section. That's all the code that runs on the page.
43:58SPEAKERAnd then there's a reference to a bunch of JavaScript and stuff like that. So like,
44:01SPEAKERit's just a lot of stuff. Like it's, it's, it's kind of ridiculous.
44:06SPEAKERYeah. I, I don't live in this world and I'm very much like kind of an outside looking in,
44:10SPEAKERbut I know there are, there are some moves toward lower level, more efficient code
44:15SPEAKERexecution and web development these days, like web assembly is, I barely understand it, but
44:20SPEAKERweb assembly is effectively an interface to running lower level code and not having to do
44:26SPEAKEReverything through JavaScript. For example, like I know that I would love to hear more about that
44:30SPEAKERfrom people on the discord who know more about it than I do. The radicals are also doing the thing
44:34SPEAKERwhere you just render the page. Like you just write the page and it's all flat pages. People
44:40SPEAKERare back to just flat page generation these days. Just come here. I'm just going to serve you some
44:44SPEAKERHTML. Turns out it's real cheap when you just serve HTML and you're not running a whole load
44:49SPEAKERof code and putting cookies and shit on people's computers. What if, what if you just had to
44:53SPEAKERgenerate a page every so often instead of like at time of request every single time constantly.
44:59SPEAKERLook, we started doing dynamic page generation because everybody wanted comments on and live ads
45:05SPEAKERon the, on the pages. And I'm going to say everything's gotten worse since then. So you
45:10SPEAKERshould just go back to no comments. I don't disagree. Here's the other annoyed and tired
45:15SPEAKERquestion. This is referencing episode 263 when we talked about phone orientation in your pocket.
45:20SPEAKERYeah. They say screen facing out reduces the possibility of the phone being triggered by sweat
45:26SPEAKERphone facing the thigh in the pocket is a great way of screwing up music and even worse with
45:31SPEAKERaudio books. I lock my phone right in my pocket. So it's not a problem. It's not going to unlock
45:36SPEAKERwithout my seeing my face. So I'm pretty cool. Also how sweaty is your pocket? I mean,
45:42SPEAKERsome people exercise. Yeah. Fair. Yes. Yes. I mean, I, I am, I am with them here. I am screen
45:48SPEAKERfacing out all the way. I just, I just think it's like, I would rather not smash my glass.
45:57SPEAKERI'd rather skip the skip music by accident than smash my glass, I guess I just, yeah,
46:02SPEAKERI've never had, I've never run into that, but I, I will allow it. It's possible. I have smashed
46:08SPEAKERback glass on a, on a Google pixel in my pocket before that was a bad day. That was a way it would
46:15SPEAKERhave been way better to smash the front glass on that phone. Cause the back glass was crazy
46:18SPEAKERexpensive for a place. Oh, I've gone caseless. So I pulled the case off of my SE three, finally six
46:25SPEAKERweeks ago or something. It's, it's so thin and tiny and light without a case on it. I've been,
46:30SPEAKERI've been caseless on my 15 tight, whatever the 15 titanium one is. And I'm going to say the
46:36SPEAKERtitanium, like there's usually there's gauges by now in the year. Plus since I've had this phone
46:43SPEAKERfrom where I dropped it on concrete or something, they get a little, it's a little divot. None of
46:46SPEAKERthat. It's fantastic. I love it. All right. Okay. Photos are starting to come out of the SE four
46:52SPEAKERnow, which I'm very excited about. Finally have a modern phone design soon with these square
46:58SPEAKERcorners. Like I, for people who don't know, the SE three is still the iPhone six design.
47:04SPEAKEROh really? Yes. And the rounded I'm I'm so over the rounded edges on that style of phone. And it's
47:10SPEAKERjust, especially with the case off, it's very slippery to hold. On the glass. Does it have
47:14SPEAKERthe rounded glass still? Like the corner chamfers of the glass were round on the six originally,
47:20SPEAKERand it made them real fragile. Yes. That got way better. Yes. I broke a six. Six is the only phone
47:26SPEAKERI've ever broken. Yeah. I don't know what they did to the glass structure or whatever, but they,
47:32SPEAKERthey made the, they made the subsequent versions of that design way more resilient. But I am still,
47:37SPEAKERI am way ready for just like square chunky square corners on a phone that make it easier to hold.
47:43SPEAKERIt's not, I guess it is, it is square. They're still rounded, but they're not like,
47:48SPEAKERit's not like curved. There's an edge. There's an edge to it. The SE four is basically like a
47:53SPEAKERsomewhere between a 14 and a 16 in design. It basically just looks like a modern iPhone.
47:57SPEAKERDoes that mean you're going to be a notch guy, Brad? Let's let's not talk about it.
48:02SPEAKERLet's see. I've actually got another question about this, about phones, about phone designs here
48:08SPEAKERthat I was just reminded of from tactical tug. Do you think we'll see a flagship phone anytime soon
48:14SPEAKERwithout a massive camera bump at the back? No. This annoys me every single time I put the phone
48:19SPEAKERdown on the table, especially if I'm not using a cover and the phone is tilting back and forth,
48:23SPEAKERlike a fishing boat in the middle of the Atlantic. Yeah. I'm with you. That's it sucks. I hate,
48:28SPEAKERI would absolutely rather have a fatter phone that makes the camera flush, especially not using the
48:35SPEAKERcamera on this. The camera on this SE three is tiny, but like most camera bumps are gigantic
48:40SPEAKERthese days. And yes, like not having the phone sit flat really sucks. So let me give you an
48:46SPEAKERinteresting thought. If you put a screen protector on the front of your phone, you just put the glass
48:51SPEAKERside down and then the machine doesn't distract you. Problem solved. Well, my watch is doing all
49:00SPEAKERthe distracting these days anyway, but you got to turn off those notifications. So,
49:04SPEAKERso the camera bump thing is interesting. There's a conversation on, on Mac blogs this week about
49:09SPEAKERwhether USB C and the requirement that the EU has to use that as a charging standard is holding back
49:15SPEAKERthickness on phones. And there's, I think a four millimeter theoretical minimum thickness
49:24SPEAKERto accommodate a USB C connector. So the conversation around it was interesting. I,
49:31SPEAKERGruber had a good post about it that kind of summed the whole thing up. I'm not going to
49:34SPEAKERrepeat it here, but I don't, I don't find the thickness of my phone to be a problem with where
49:41SPEAKERwe are now with the, with the 15, 16 design. I think weight is an issue. I really, I don't
49:48SPEAKERever mind the camera bump because I literally, because the, the, the Sapphire glass on the lenses
49:53SPEAKERis the thing I want to scratch on my phone least. I I've been putting screen side down for years
49:59SPEAKERand I buy a $5 screen protector that I can pull off and replace if it gets too,
50:04SPEAKERbecause the thing on the screen side that makes me crazy are those micro scratches.
50:07SPEAKERSo when you're out in the sun, you see a bazillion little tiny scratches on the,
50:10SPEAKERon the glass of your phone and the screen protector lets me buy my way out of that
50:14SPEAKERproblem for $5 when it annoys me and I replace them probably twice a year.
50:18SPEAKERYeah. The, the constant pursuit of ever thinner devices is just really not something I understand
50:23SPEAKERthough. Like I really, I don't see the value in like, I think I saw that they're working on an
50:28SPEAKEReven thinner iPad than already exists or that's the rumor. And also on the subject of the USB C
50:34SPEAKERthing, I fully, I fully believe that Apple would make a completely portless device if they could
50:39SPEAKERand make you do everything, including charging wirelessly. Well, so that was one of the op that
50:43SPEAKERwas one of the threats is if they were, if they mandate the C port, then they'll just provide a C
50:49SPEAKERadapter. That's a mag safe charger, which is great until you need to plug into a wired car play car
50:55SPEAKERor something like that. And in which case, like they're 20 years away from being able to do that
50:59SPEAKERbecause of the existence of, of, because of the lifespan of cars, frankly. So I think it's probably
51:04SPEAKERokay. I I'm, I am, I am definitely up with you on the, the pursuit of thinness is unnecessary and
51:14SPEAKERoften counter to, to like good human interaction. Like often devices that are too thin are hard to
51:21SPEAKERhold, frankly. So, yeah. Yes. I fully agree with that. And also, I don't know what the
51:27SPEAKERdimensional requirements of batteries are. Like do they, what I'm asking is kind of battery expand on
51:32SPEAKERany individual access and get more capacity like for the most part is a, is a, is a thicker battery
51:37SPEAKERjust as good as a wider battery, for example, because it's about volume, not, not linear
51:42SPEAKERdimensions. Yeah. Right. So, so if that's the case, then if a thicker phone also meant more
51:47SPEAKERbattery life than like, absolutely sign me up. I don't have really my house. So I don't really
51:51SPEAKERcare that much about battery life these days. I don't, I don't have a problem with my current
51:54SPEAKERbattery life, but I'm, I'm the same as you. I work from home, so it kind of doesn't matter,
51:57SPEAKERbut still it would be a nice option. It was so funny when we went to see Taylor Swift,
52:01SPEAKERit was the first time my wife has been in a, in a, Hey, I'm going to be out of the house
52:07SPEAKERaway from charging and watch people to use my phone situation since she got this phone a year
52:14SPEAKERago. And she was really, really worried about battery life, shooting video and stuff like that.
52:20SPEAKERI was like, I think you're probably gonna be fine, but we carried a bunch of battery backups
52:23SPEAKERand stuff with us. And it turns out we were totally fine. But, but it's, it's interesting
52:28SPEAKERbecause when you don't do outside stuff a ton, that battery life becomes a real, it's, it's like,
52:35SPEAKERI don't have a good grasp of how good my battery life is at this point on this phone. To the point
52:41SPEAKERthat I often have it locked to only charge 80% because I don't ever need more than that.
52:47SPEAKEROh, I, yeah, I should probably do that. I don't have that turned on.
52:51SPEAKERYou keep your phone long enough that matters. I usually don't do it with the new phone. It can be
52:56SPEAKERa test. Yes, I probably should. Also, I really shouldn't get into it here. This is inspired by,
53:02SPEAKERthis is inspired by Vinny and also some people on the next lender discord. I'm going to switch
53:05SPEAKERcarriers by the time we record again next. Yeah. Cause you guys had a deal through your
53:11SPEAKERold employer and I bet it's not a good deal anymore. It's not a good deal. The price has
53:15SPEAKERcrept up so much that like, even with the, it was not, it was like an 8% discount or something. It
53:19SPEAKERwas not even amazing to begin with, but like my Verizon bill has just gone up and up and up.
53:24SPEAKERSo I'm going to, I'm going to switch to one of the like MVNOs, you know, one of the
53:28SPEAKERsmaller areas that piggybacks on the big guys infrastructure. You're going to get that boost.
53:34SPEAKERI don't know. Haven't decided who I'm going to switch to yet, but that is, that is a project
53:39SPEAKERfor this weekend is to cut my phone bill by about 75%. So, so which is exciting to me.
53:45SPEAKERI was looking at that. We're paying like 200 bucks a month and it feels like too much.
53:48SPEAKERIt's insane. Like I'm, I'm paying almost 80 a month for one line. Like that's, that is just
53:52SPEAKERlike what? Well, and, and like, so we're, we're, I've stayed with Verizon because we're on one of
53:57SPEAKERthe old family plans, which means we pay X amount for a bucket of data. And then we pay 10 bucks a
54:03SPEAKERmonth or 20 bucks a month for a line, depending on whether it's a phone or a watch. But, but like,
54:09SPEAKERI don't, I want an unlimited plan because A, I'm tired of having to like, Gina's phone went haywire
54:15SPEAKERthe other day and downloaded 11 gigs of data in like a three hour period and kind of blew through
54:21SPEAKERour, our limit for the month. So now everybody else's it's famine on the downhill side of this,
54:26SPEAKERof this, of this, this thing. And like, I don't know why I should have to deal with this. And
54:31SPEAKERsince Verizon doesn't offer family plans anymore for me to get out of this, I would have to pay $240
54:38SPEAKERfor three phone lines for $80 a month, which is too much. Oh, well, let's table this. Maybe we
54:44SPEAKERshould revisit this in more of an episodic format on the other side of it. Cause maybe this seems
54:50SPEAKERlike this is like good actionable stuff that people should hear about. I would love to hear
54:54SPEAKERyour findings. Yeah. Hey, I don't know if you've heard, but phone bills are too much. Well, cause
54:58SPEAKERthe other thing is like I switched to Verizon in the, in the, like in the tested days, actually,
55:03SPEAKERwhen we were going to PAX and comic con and stuff like that. And the phones AT&T didn't work,
55:07SPEAKERbut Verizon did because Verizon had invested in capacity for venues. Yeah. And I don't ever go to
55:12SPEAKERthose things anymore. So like, you know, capacity coverage was the reason I moved to Verizon from
55:19SPEAKERAT&T as well. Some of the carriers, some of the carriers out there lease infrastructure from
55:25SPEAKERmultiple of the big companies. Like some of them, some of them let you choose between like, Hey,
55:30SPEAKERwe have AT&T and T-Mobile or we have Verizon and AT&T like we're all three. So you can both pick
55:35SPEAKERyour network and also switch to a different one probably month to month. If you find the one you're
55:39SPEAKERon is not great. The one thing I will say about Verizon is that they have done a good job with the
55:44SPEAKERsecurity stuff so that if somebody tries to hijack my SIM, I get a note. Yeah. Like that is the thing
55:50SPEAKERto, okay. So you went out, we're just cannibalizing a future episode. Let's do an episode. This is
55:56SPEAKERgreat. Like the lower, like lack of frills and maybe questions about infrastructure and account
56:00SPEAKERmanagement and stuff like those, those are where a smaller carrier would differ, but we'll, we'll
56:05SPEAKERmaybe get back to this when we have experience with it. This is a buttload of questions, Brad.
56:10SPEAKERYeah, it really is. How about we do a couple more here? Actually, there's a couple of CPU ones I
56:14SPEAKERwanted to do. Yeah. I'm an expert now. I've done a lot of, I've actually spent more time with CPU
56:18SPEAKERtesting this year than I have in my entire life up until this point. Wow. Yeah. All right. Skip asks,
56:24SPEAKERwhen does the extra cash on the Ryzen X3 CPUs come into play? Obviously more is better, but what
56:30SPEAKERactivities benefit the most from the additional cash? Should, should gamers care about it? Does
56:34SPEAKERit mean smoother streams or faster renders on audio or video production workloads? This is random.
56:40SPEAKERAlso, will we see either of you as VTubers anytime soon? Okay. Okay. On the last point,
56:45SPEAKERI'm going to say for my part, probably not. When I was doing Foo, one of the things that we did
56:51SPEAKERas a prototype for somebody was what they didn't call it a VTuber back then here, but what would
56:56SPEAKERhave been a VTuber interface. So there is a VTuber version of me, not, I'm not like animated up and
57:02SPEAKERlike cat girl or whatever, but, but there's a virtual version of me that runs that can green,
57:08SPEAKERthat can give an alpha video. So you can superimpose a version of me, they run a virtual
57:14SPEAKERliving room or on a, I'm never going to dig that up again though. It required a bunch of VR stuff
57:19SPEAKERto work. I was going to say, you should release that under creative commons and let people have
57:23SPEAKERat it. No, thank you. That is a bad idea. Yeah. To answer the actual question here,
57:29SPEAKERit is almost entirely for games. There are a handful of benchmarking workloads that include
57:35SPEAKERa lot of V cash that will benefit from a buttload of VP cash, but it's, it's they're unusual and
57:40SPEAKERyeah, games is it. Yeah. And, and, and even within the games subsets it, it manifests in a lot of
57:47SPEAKERplaces, you know, like a lot of standard 3d games, first person shooters and stuff in some cases
57:51SPEAKERbenefit noticeably from the V cash, but the, or the, the, the extra cash, but the one place you
57:58SPEAKERreally see it just go through the stratosphere is like strategy games. Like anything, anything that
58:02SPEAKERis hitting that cash a lot. And that tends to be stuff like, like factorio or, or X games,
58:08SPEAKERsomething that is like, you know, I lack the, I lack the low level programming vocabulary to
58:12SPEAKERdescribe this well, but you know, something that is like executing a lot of code, doing a lot of
58:16SPEAKERsimulation where the CPU is going to be hitting the cash, like kind of constantly like something
58:21SPEAKERlike if you look at benchmarks for something like factorio, it's like, it's something insane,
58:26SPEAKERlike, you know, 60 or 80% faster on the cash part. So I'm opening up our benchmarks from the,
58:34SPEAKERfrom the 9,800 X 3d review and like, like Cinebench numbers are pretty much the same,
58:44SPEAKERright? Like there's a tiny, tiny variance, but when you look at, when you look into even a non
58:52SPEAKERnon like cyberpunk saw a pretty good lift, right? It's it's like a, yeah, it's a substantial lift.
58:59SPEAKERIt's like 10%, 15%. For more kind of standard action games, it seems, it seems much more engine
59:05SPEAKERdependent in that case, you know, like some, some games and some engines benefit enormously from it.
59:10SPEAKERSome don't see a whole lot of lift and I forget which is which like, like Far Cry, for example,
59:14SPEAKERI don't, I don't remember why, but Far Cry was seen in a lot of benchmarks because it was either
59:18SPEAKERone or the other of those. I forget which it was. Yeah, I think, I think that's, I think that's
59:23SPEAKERright. It's it's really part of the reason a lot of cash helps with games is because games are often
59:31SPEAKERmemory bandwidth limited. And if you have more cash than you can store more stuff in the, in the
59:36SPEAKERmemory on the chip, which is much faster to like a couple of orders of magnitude faster to access
59:42SPEAKERthan system RAM. And that's the, that's the, that's the big thing. So if you have a memory
59:47SPEAKERbandwidth limited benchmark, that's going to show you a bigger boost on the V cash. This is why the,
59:53SPEAKERthe risens with two CCDs, one that has V cash and one that doesn't are, are kind of best of
59:58SPEAKERboth worlds for, for games and productivity stuff, because a lot of productivity stuff
1:00:04SPEAKERis benefit benefit. The, the stuff where performance matters on productivity
1:00:08SPEAKERbenefits typically from having a lot more cores and more clock speed and more clock speed.
1:00:14SPEAKERThe V cash then gives you the boost in the, in the memory bandwidth limited stuff,
1:00:19SPEAKERwhich is like I said, mostly games. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the short version,
1:00:23SPEAKERif you're just looking at something to buy is if you, if you were primarily building a game machine,
1:00:26SPEAKERyou should get an X3D. Like that's just kind of, that's the blanket recommendation.
1:00:30SPEAKERSo I I'm, I want to test with the, the nine, we, we haven't seen the, the two CCD V cash chips from
1:00:38SPEAKERAMD yet from the Zen, from the Zen 5 launch yet. I'm really curious because I think one of the
1:00:44SPEAKERthings I noticed moving from a 24 core Intel CPU to this eight core AMD CPU is that I noticed CPU
1:00:53SPEAKERchugging a lot with only eight cores. And I'm, I want, I'm, I'm working. One of the things I'm
1:00:59SPEAKERworking on for PC world right now is figuring out ways to test that and quantify that feeling.
1:01:03SPEAKERSo if people have suggestions, I would love to hear that. I know there's a lot of people who
1:01:07SPEAKERthink about this kind of stuff as well. But, but yeah, I'm I think, I think there's something there
1:01:14SPEAKERbecause I feel like even in games, I'm seeing games that are spiking eight cores now on PC,
1:01:20SPEAKERlike Outlaws and Indiana Jones and some of the higher end single players things will,
1:01:26SPEAKERwill hit all the cores, even when you're not doing shader processing and stuff like that. So.
1:01:30SPEAKERYeah. When, when you say chugging, you're just talking about things bogging down in general.
1:01:34SPEAKERYeah. I'm talking about you click a button. I'm I'm used to my desktop computer, clicking it,
1:01:38SPEAKERclicking something and having it happen pretty much instantly. And there's times when that is
1:01:43SPEAKERdefinitely not the case on the eight core machine. Yeah. That is, I mean, granted I use this machine
1:01:48SPEAKERfor a lot of things at once. Like I, I am in some pretty heavy multitasking situations when we're
1:01:53SPEAKERlike streaming and I'm running 800 different things, but I have, that's why I, that is exactly
1:01:57SPEAKERwhy I have always prioritized more cores in this, in the modern era over faster clocks or some,
1:02:02SPEAKERsomething that like drills down to just game performance. I will always sacrifice that in
1:02:07SPEAKERfavor of having more cores, because like you said, like, no matter what I'm doing and no matter how
1:02:11SPEAKERmuch I'm doing, I want something to respond instantly. As soon as I do it, like I don't
1:02:16SPEAKERever want to have to wait in a heavy multitasking situation for things to go. So I, I am, I'm pretty
1:02:21SPEAKERheavy all in on, on more cores these days, but, but also like for just a gaming machine, not quite
1:02:26SPEAKERas, not quite as dire, but like you're saying, maybe it is getting a little more demanding.
1:02:31SPEAKERWell, and I'm looking at like, I'm looking at task manager on this machine with eight cores
1:02:35SPEAKERand I'm seeing like 23, 25, 26% CPU utilization while I'm literally in a video call and recording
1:02:42SPEAKERaudio and have a browser with like, you know, realistically it's too many tabs open, but this
1:02:49SPEAKERshouldn't be a problem. Do you mean across all cores? Like all the cores are doing something?
1:02:53SPEAKERIt's across all the cores. Like my, when I look at the, when I look at the process tab, hold on,
1:03:01SPEAKERI've lost my window here. When I look at the processes tab and I sort by CPU, the number at
1:03:07SPEAKERthe top is 30, between 22 and 31%, depending on what's going on and how many windows I'm opening
1:03:12SPEAKERand closing. Yeah. I'm on, I'm on a 14,900 K and I've got quite a few cores doing nothing right now
1:03:17SPEAKERin a similar situation. I mean, I definitely have idle. Well, no, actually I have, everything is
1:03:22SPEAKERdoing a little tiny bit. Yeah. So yeah, I, I, more cores is good. 9950 X3D or bust. That's what I say.
1:03:29SPEAKERYeah. I like, I like a lot of, a lot of cores, a lot of CPUs. Okay. The other CPU question is from
1:03:35SPEAKERiamhydrogen. On CPUs, what makes something like a Ryzen 5700 better than a Ryzen 2700?
1:03:42SPEAKERThe chips are fairly similar clock speeds and they both have eight cores. So what makes it
1:03:46SPEAKERworth upgrading? I don't know if the 5700 is a good chip, just the idea of chips several
1:03:51SPEAKERgenerations newer, but with similar basic specs. Like it really comes down to implementation. Like
1:03:56SPEAKERit really, it comes down to how the chips internally are doing what they do to be CPUs.
1:04:03SPEAKERThat's a very vague answer. Well, I mean, some newer chips will do more work per cycle,
1:04:09SPEAKERper clock cycle or capable of doing not just in terms of number of threads and number of cores,
1:04:13SPEAKERbut inside those threads, you know, each thread is a pipeline that's many, many
1:04:18SPEAKERsets of instructions deep, right? There's many, many registers and stuff in between
1:04:22SPEAKERwhere electrons go in and where electrons come out. They don't, I guess they don't really come
1:04:25SPEAKERout. But anyway, the other thing is the process sizes change. So from 2,600, from, let's see,
1:04:34SPEAKERI'm looking up Ryzen 2,600. I don't remember what the process was for that, but it was,
1:04:38SPEAKERit was probably like, I don't know. It was, it's a long time ago. You're going to generate less.
1:04:45SPEAKERLike 14, 14 nanometer maybe. Yeah, that would be my, that's what I was going to guess, but.
1:04:50SPEAKEROr maybe even bigger than that. Of course, of course here, he's asking about ships that are
1:04:53SPEAKERroughly the same speed. You know, like, like when we're talking, we're talking the same clock speed,
1:04:57SPEAKERa smaller process is more about limiting heat. Well, yeah, but they will generate more heat or
1:05:03SPEAKERthey'll run at higher speeds, one or the other. And, and the, the other thing is you get extra
1:05:08SPEAKERstuff. Like there's new, there's new instruction sets that are added as time goes on. There's
1:05:13SPEAKERsupport for things like AV1 in the, in the codex, which sometimes is on the CPU. Sometimes that's
1:05:18SPEAKERon the GPU. The, on the Ryzen side on machines that have graphics built in, the integrated
1:05:25SPEAKERgraphics have increased dramatically. And then the other thing about the Ryzen 2 and 3 series
1:05:31SPEAKERis that their compatibility with memory has gotten much less fiddly in the, like the Ryzen 3 3600
1:05:38SPEAKERthat I have here is the fiddliest machine I've ever had for Ram. I have one stick of Ram that
1:05:43SPEAKERworks right in that. And if I try to do dual channel ever, it just doesn't work. So, well,
1:05:47SPEAKERthat sounds fun. I think just kind of looking at the language of the question, I think, I think
1:05:51SPEAKERreally what they're drilling down on is when, when everything else is like for like, you know,
1:05:55SPEAKERwhen you're talking the same clock speed, same number of cores, same everything except
1:05:58SPEAKERand do regeneration, why is it shipped faster? I think it probably helps to understand the meaning
1:06:03SPEAKERof the word architecture here, because that word gets thrown around a lot about CPUs and GPUs for
1:06:08SPEAKERthat matter. There are actually two types of architectures that work here. There is the
1:06:12SPEAKERinstruction set architecture, which is x86 in this case, like that's just kind of like the language
1:06:17SPEAKERthe chip speaks, you know, and, and basic operations it's capable of. The micro architecture
1:06:22SPEAKERis what we're talking about. If you're saying like, like Skylake on the Intel side or Zen 3 or
1:06:27SPEAKERZen 4, those are micro architectures. And that's basically just an implementation of the instruction
1:06:32SPEAKERset. So Skylake is one generation of CPU design that Intel generated to execute x86 instructions.
1:06:41SPEAKERAnd like, like you said, like you said, it's an internal layout of stuff, you know,
1:06:46SPEAKERSilicon fixed function instruction implementation, like other, other mechanisms that you and I
1:06:51SPEAKERbarely understand. Like we've talked about branch prediction in the past, a few months ago,
1:06:54SPEAKERif you remember that. There's an incredibly complicated internals. I am months late here,
1:07:01SPEAKERbut some people on the discord actually corrected me on, if you remember me talking about that
1:07:05SPEAKERbefore I had said branch prediction was, Hey, the CPU like calculates multiple versions of an
1:07:12SPEAKERoperation and then takes whichever result was the one that was needed. Apparently I got that wrong
1:07:17SPEAKERwhat it actually does because, I mean, this makes sense because it's Silicon is fixed function. It
1:07:22SPEAKERcan only do so many things at one time, right? What it's actually doing is guessing which
1:07:25SPEAKERoperation it's going to have to carry out and executing that one. And if it turned out to pick
1:07:31SPEAKERthe wrong operation in the beginning, then it has to go back and do the right one after that. So
1:07:35SPEAKERthat's, I think there's a term for that. It's like, it's like a, like a prediction miss basically.
1:07:40SPEAKERSo it's actually even less efficient to miss the prediction, but that's getting in the weeds a
1:07:45SPEAKERlittle bit, but the point I'm making is that like, there's all kinds of stuff going on inside the CPU
1:07:49SPEAKERto make it faster, to execute instructions more efficiently or carry out operations more
1:07:54SPEAKERefficiently. And that changes generation to generation from one micro architecture to the next.
1:07:59SPEAKERSo then there's other stuff too. Like you add support for newer memory standards and
1:08:04SPEAKERnewer PCI express standards and things like that. So different kinds of connections get faster.
1:08:09SPEAKERI found some benchmarks from Gollum.de, which is a site that does a lot of benchmarking in German.
1:08:15SPEAKERThey did around the time of the 5800X launch, not the X3D part. They compared
1:08:22SPEAKERRyzen 7 1800X, 2700X, 3800X, and 5800X, which are all eight core 16 thread parts.
1:08:30SPEAKERAnd the clock speeds range between 3.6 and 3.8 gigahertz for a base clock
1:08:37SPEAKERbetween 4.1 and 4.7. And so these percentage increases are from the 1800X to the newer chips.
1:08:46SPEAKERSo the generation to generation of the 1800X to the 2700X is 116%. So it's 16% faster.
1:08:57SPEAKERFrom the 1800X to the 3800X, it's 28% faster. And from the 1800X to the 5800X, it's 189% faster.
1:09:09SPEAKERSo they're like 20-ish percent gen over gen, but from gen one to gen four or gen three, it's 189.
1:09:18SPEAKERIt's almost twice as fast for the same clocks. And that's in applications. In gaming, it was similar.
1:09:25SPEAKERIt was 123, 148, and 184% lift from first gen to second, well, to zen plus to zen two and zen three.
1:09:37SPEAKER- Right, yeah. And you can look for that when the CPU reviews come out of new generations,
1:09:41SPEAKERlike it'll typically be referred to as like IPC improvement, instructions per clock,
1:09:46SPEAKERis how it's often referred to. And that's typically the kind of like apples to apples,
1:09:51SPEAKERhere's how much faster on one core this is than the previous generation.
1:09:55SPEAKER- I think this is why people were... So early in the architecture, we saw a lot of gen over gen
1:10:02SPEAKERlift. That 16-28% lift from generation to generation is pretty atypical the longer you
1:10:10SPEAKERstay in an architecture, in a basic structure of your CPU. A lot of that was because they figured
1:10:18SPEAKERout, hey, the chiplet design that AMD uses for the Ryzen, it turns out there were some complications
1:10:28SPEAKERthat were weird bottlenecks, and they were adjusting the bottlenecks each generation with
1:10:32SPEAKERwhat they'd learned from the previous stuff and so on and so forth, so.
1:10:34SPEAKER- Yeah, like zen three in particular was a huge lift over zen two in that regard. So that was the
1:10:39SPEAKERthing that got me looking at AMD in the modern era. And that was also the thing Intel was really
1:10:44SPEAKERblowing it on for pretty much from like Skylake or from like sixth to like 10th,
1:10:52SPEAKER11th gen, Intel was doing like single digit percentage IPC increase per generation because
1:10:59SPEAKERthey had no real competition and they were just kind of churning out the same chip over and over.
1:11:04SPEAKERAnyway, nice to see competition in the CPU space. - Yeah, it's really good.
1:11:08SPEAKER- All right, let's wrap up with a quick cake batter minute here.
1:11:12SPEAKER- Okay. - Got a couple. I find it really
1:11:15SPEAKERannoying that the new Department of Energy El Capitan supercomputer shares the same name with
1:11:20SPEAKEROS X El Capitan. So now I'm constantly wondering why an old ass version of OS X is in the news.
1:11:25SPEAKER- This annoyed me too. - I have to say I don't love like
1:11:30SPEAKERproduct code names are cool or I mean, these aren't even code names. They're part of their
1:11:33SPEAKERshipping names, but Apple's whole like national parks in California thing or like notable
1:11:38SPEAKERgeographic locations in California is like probably the most boring product name/codename
1:11:45SPEAKERI have ever seen. Like remember the big cats? - Well, they ran out of them.
1:11:49SPEAKER- I know, but like you could have come up with something better than this, like Panther.
1:11:53SPEAKER- They could have done Panther 2, Panther Harder. - Like Leopard.
1:11:56SPEAKER- Panther-er. - I love the idea of like
1:11:59SPEAKERLeopard Snow Leopard 2 would have been way better. I just, I mean, like High Sierra, El Capitan,
1:12:07SPEAKERSequoia, like just not doing it for me. - And that also led to my least favorite
1:12:13SPEAKERconferringy joke of all time. We're introducing OS X Weed because Weed is a California and
1:12:20SPEAKERit's a city in like the Norther, Northeastern, North middle part of California.
1:12:24SPEAKER- Yeah. I also miss the OS X name for that matter, but it's not OS X anymore.
1:12:29SPEAKER- No. - I think it's OS 15 now.
1:12:32SPEAKER- Really? - I believe 15 is the newest,
1:12:35SPEAKERyes. I have to go check my MacBook, but I'm pretty sure the newest one is 15.
1:12:40SPEAKER- I like the Intel code names actually. I think they're really good because they use
1:12:44SPEAKERrivers and lakes and things like that in the Northwest and there's an infinite number of
1:12:49SPEAKERthose. So they're never going to run out. - Yeah. I don't know. I mean, they're fine.
1:12:53SPEAKERGeography is just kind of boring in general. There's so much, there's so much more you could do.
1:12:56SPEAKER- Well, but when I drive by Klamath Falls, I think about the Pentium 3 and that makes me happy.
1:13:01SPEAKER- Yeah. All right. Fine. Fair. I don't know what I would pick. You know,
1:13:05SPEAKERwe did that FOS pod talking to Jonathan from Debian, you know, they use Toy Story characters
1:13:10SPEAKERfor their releases. There's a lot you could do. - The Android doing things that were sweet was bad.
1:13:17SPEAKERLike, and then there were product tie-ins for that. That was unfortunate. Like,
1:13:20SPEAKERyeah. I just put a number, man. - Yeah. I, yes. I like, like, you know,
1:13:25SPEAKERI run Debian and I have just gone to referring to it as Debian 12 and Debian 13 and not, you know,
1:13:30SPEAKERBookworm and Trixie. - Well, Debian also does the, the, has the numbering
1:13:35SPEAKERscheme based on the year and the month that it's released. So that's easy to understand.
1:13:39SPEAKER- No, that's Ubuntu. Debian is just traditional versioned, like 12.1, 12.2.
1:13:44SPEAKER- Oh, Debian doesn't do the year and the month? - I'm trying to think which distros do that.
1:13:48SPEAKER- Ubuntu does it for sure. - Ubuntu. Yeah. But they also
1:13:52SPEAKERhave their weird alliteration thing, you know, jammy jellyfish or...
1:13:54SPEAKER- Yeah, I hate that. - Which I'm not a fan of. And those are not even,
1:13:58SPEAKERlike, directly alphabetical. So I always have to look up which version is which. It's, yeah. No,
1:14:03SPEAKERmaybe, maybe naming things is hard actually. - I mean, look, I always name things with
1:14:09SPEAKERplaceholder names and then they end up being the real name and I'm disappointed by it. So...
1:14:13SPEAKER- Yeah. - You know, I'm bad at names.
1:14:15SPEAKERDon't ask me about this. - I should know this cause I'm
1:14:18SPEAKERrunning Ubuntu containers in various places. But yeah, you're right. Like Ubuntu does like 24.04,
1:14:23SPEAKER24.10. - Yeah. Well, it's always
1:14:25SPEAKERApril and October because that's when they do releases. Yeah.
1:14:28SPEAKER- Yeah. For their April and October releases. - Well, there's also hidden information in there
1:14:32SPEAKERcause you have to know that it's, I think it's always the October one that's an LTS usually.
1:14:36SPEAKER- No, it's the April. - Every other year or something.
1:14:38SPEAKER- So LTS is only every two years, I think. Yeah. It's the even numbered years in April are the
1:14:45SPEAKERUbuntu LTS releases. The October ones are like noted to be less stable.
1:14:50SPEAKER- And they put LTS at the end of those version numbers too, right?
1:14:54SPEAKER- Yeah. They make it really obvious which ones are LTS.
1:14:56SPEAKER- Yeah. - Where you get the way Debian,
1:15:02SPEAKERwhat's the term for this? Like the way Debian kind of demotes old versions. Like you have, you know,
1:15:07SPEAKERyou have stable. - Oh yeah.
1:15:09SPEAKER- And then once a new stable comes out, the previous stable becomes old stable.
1:15:13SPEAKER- Yeah. - And the previous old
1:15:15SPEAKERstable becomes old, old stable. - Look, I like that.
1:15:18SPEAKER- And like when you're like managing your app sources and like looking in there like
1:15:22SPEAKERpackage tracker, it's literally old, old stable, all one word, no spaces. Like that's the code name
1:15:28SPEAKERfor it. It's like, man, they really just bolted this thing together with chewing gum over time,
1:15:33SPEAKERdidn't they? - Well, I don't, I actually, I think that that's smart because you look at old,
1:15:37SPEAKERold stable and you know that it's three versions back, right?
1:15:39SPEAKER- Yeah. You're not wrong. Like it definitely sends a message like, hey,
1:15:42SPEAKERyou probably shouldn't be running this unless you really need to be running this one.
1:15:45SPEAKER- And is old, old stable though the final step before being deprecated or is there like old,
1:15:51SPEAKERold, old, old, old, old stable? - I don't, there's no old,
1:15:54SPEAKERold, old stable that I know of, but they have, they've like contracted or I don't even know if
1:15:59SPEAKERthere's money changing hands or not, but there is like an external group that now does like extra
1:16:04SPEAKERlong-term support for very old Debian releases. - Okay.
1:16:08SPEAKER- Yeah. Support in the open source world is interesting because it's like a resource problem,
1:16:11SPEAKERright? Because you've- - Of course.
1:16:13SPEAKER- You're all volunteer, you've only got so much manpower.
1:16:16SPEAKER- It's not all volunteer, but it's mostly volunteer.
1:16:19SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah. But like, you know, you really have to make like hard choices about when to cut off
1:16:24SPEAKERsupport for old versions. So like how they all handle that is kind of like a fun management
1:16:28SPEAKERproblem. All right. Last question real quick. Also kick better. I can't read analog clocks. Is this
1:16:35SPEAKERa me thing or a generational thing? Will, can your daughter read an analog clock?
1:16:39SPEAKER- My daughter can read an analog clock, but we had to actively teach her.
1:16:42SPEAKER- Okay. Yeah. - Cause they just, I mean,
1:16:44SPEAKERI think they did it in school, but they spent like five minutes one day and, and like everybody else
1:16:49SPEAKERwas, so he also put an analog clock in her room when she was really little. So that unlocked
1:16:55SPEAKERinformation for her. - I think, I think everybody should have a couple of analog clocks in the house
1:16:59SPEAKERjust to keep sharp. - I, I love analog clocks.
1:17:03SPEAKERWhen I was working with folks in different time zones, I would set the, I would, I have a couple
1:17:09SPEAKERup on the wall behind me that are set to whatever time zones is the people I work in easily. So I
1:17:14SPEAKERcan look, I can just glance at them and know whether I'm being rude when I send a message
1:17:17SPEAKERto somebody or sometimes be 12 hours off from being rude. If I, if I mess up the conversion,
1:17:26SPEAKERbut yeah, it's analog clocks are good. I was gonna say, I can see people having an information
1:17:33SPEAKERprocessing problem with analog clocks though, because it's, it's a difficult interface.
1:17:38SPEAKER- That's, I mean, yeah, I don't know. It's not that, I find it fairly intuitive once you
1:17:43SPEAKERunderstand the system. I don't know. It's like, it's like, it's like big in the media these days,
1:17:47SPEAKERlike, oh, Gen Z can't tell time on analog clocks anymore. And I don't know how overblown that is.
1:17:53SPEAKER- Gen X were a bunch of wasted losers. Gen, millennials are never gonna, look,
1:18:00SPEAKERthey're pissing away all their money on avocado toast instead of saving money to buy houses.
1:18:04SPEAKERGen alpha are a bunch of raging malcontents who are nothing but socialists and don't want to work.
1:18:09SPEAKERThis is the same bullshit they turn out every 10 years for a new, new generation of kids.
1:18:14SPEAKERGen Z doesn't understand file systems or analog clocks. I don't know, but at the same time,
1:18:18SPEAKERlike there's, this is, this might be my most like dangerously boomer opinion,
1:18:23SPEAKERbut it feels like there is a little bit of a crisis of helplessness out there these days where
1:18:27SPEAKERlike, I don't know, something like reading an analog clock is so imminently knowable. If you
1:18:31SPEAKERjust go look up how to do it, like, I think, or here, let me put this a different way. I think
1:18:37SPEAKERcuriosity is a muscle that can be developed and strengthened and honed. And it's good to just get
1:18:43SPEAKERin the habit of going to a search engine and just typing like, how do I blank?
1:18:47SPEAKERBut what if the search engine gives you bad AI results that are untrue?
1:18:51SPEAKERThat is absolutely a crucial problem in this age, for sure.
1:18:54SPEAKERSo Shags had a question at the top of the list that was about this. And I think,
1:19:01SPEAKERI think this is, this might be a generational thing, but I, I think that like, look, I think
1:19:10SPEAKERthe challenge, one of the challenges I think that my, I, my daughter has that we didn't have to deal
1:19:14SPEAKERwith until we were a lot older is that she's growing up in a world where there's infinite
1:19:18SPEAKERentertainment, right? So we've talked about this a little bit before, but teaching her how to manage
1:19:24SPEAKERthat and how to not just fall down the Netflix hole infinitely is, is, has been an important
1:19:29SPEAKERpart of, of her childhood. That's exactly what I'm getting at, you know, or like when the TikTok band
1:19:35SPEAKERwas temporarily looming, you saw people going like, well, how am I going to discover new music
1:19:38SPEAKERnow? You know, it's like, there are other avenues for discovering things like that. Like, like,
1:19:43SPEAKERlike, I'm not saying this stuff to be critical. It's more like an effort at empowerment, you know,
1:19:46SPEAKERlike, it's like, like, Hey, you, you are capable of going out and finding things and like teaching
1:19:50SPEAKERyourself to do things. And like, that's a very, that's a very good feeling when you,
1:19:54SPEAKERwhen you realize like, Hey, I can do this. Like, I don't have to just like, feel like I can't.
1:19:58SPEAKERSo I think for like, like a lot of stuff, this is a place that working in VR helped me. I,
1:20:05SPEAKERI did not fully appreciate the, the level to which human experience is a spectrum
1:20:11SPEAKERuntil I started working in VR and did a bunch of VR demos and saw how different
1:20:15SPEAKERpeople reacted to the same stimuli. And some people really it's, it's Zach Gage who makes
1:20:22SPEAKERPuzmo and made Spelltower and a bunch of those were like, also good Sudoku and a bunch of good
1:20:26SPEAKERword games has done talks about this. Some people really love being presented with novel problems,
1:20:35SPEAKERlike two problems that they don't understand the framing of and have to figure out the framing and
1:20:39SPEAKERhow to solve that problem. And, and then, and then doing that, some people really love and respond
1:20:45SPEAKERreally positively to problems that they like repeated, repeated problems, like, like problems
1:20:52SPEAKERthat are normalized, they understand the scope and the constraints of them and then how to solve
1:20:57SPEAKERthem. And then the, the, the value is in repeating that solve as efficiently as possible. And those
1:21:03SPEAKERare like, like, just like the ability to detect frame rate changes in a video game, which is
1:21:08SPEAKERanother thing that some people are really good at and some people are bad at.
1:21:13SPEAKERLike your desire to solve those types of different types of problems varies widely from person to
1:21:19SPEAKERperson. So like, I totally see a world where somebody has a mental physical, like, like,
1:21:25SPEAKERlike they have a mental processing problem with reading the analog position on the clock. Cause
1:21:30SPEAKERlike if you're bad at left from right or whatever, your clock doesn't have numbers on it. It just
1:21:33SPEAKERhas data. Like there's a bunch of terrible design analog clocks out there. Like look at what Swatch
1:21:39SPEAKERdid in the nineties. They had watches that didn't have marks. They had watches that had one hand,
1:21:43SPEAKERthey Swatch internet time while fantastic and unimpeachable also was problematic.
1:21:49SPEAKERNot, not a fan of weird, minimal, abstract analog clock face designs, but like,
1:21:53SPEAKERlike cooking is a great example for me of what you're talking about of something that like, I'd,
1:21:57SPEAKERI'm not, I'm not great at cooking and I'm pretty intimidated by it. And like at some point,
1:22:02SPEAKERlargely out of necessity, I was just like, all right, this is pathetic. I've got to learn to
1:22:05SPEAKERmake a few basic dishes so I can like sustain myself. And like, I guess that falls into the
1:22:11SPEAKERcategory you were talking about of like repetition in that case, because like you sure can, you sure
1:22:16SPEAKERcan fuck up a recipe the first time you look it up and try it. But like, you kind of just have to eat
1:22:20SPEAKERit like figuratively and literally and keep trying and like, it turns out you'll get better over time.
1:22:26SPEAKERWell, but, but that's, that's also one of those examples. That's if you taking a problem that you
1:22:30SPEAKERdidn't understand, like how to read a recipe is the problem, right? How to read and execute a
1:22:34SPEAKERrecipe. And then the more you do that, the better you get at at learning how to do those, learning
1:22:42SPEAKERhow to read a recipe and learning, learning the tricks and trade and of getting timing and all
1:22:46SPEAKERthat other stuff. And, and, and like, that's part of the, that's part of the difference in problems.
1:22:52SPEAKERRight? Yeah. Like, like, like, like spatchcocking, for example, I ended up not cooking a turkey over
1:22:57SPEAKERthe holidays because as much as I thought, I was like, I'm just going to look at how to do this and
1:23:00SPEAKERdo it. And then I got to the part where you have to go buy poultry shears and then cut the spine.
1:23:04SPEAKERAnd I was like, maybe I'm not ready for this yet. And so I did not do it, but like, but you know,
1:23:09SPEAKERlike it's, you can, you can, you can ramp yourself up to harder problems over time.
1:23:15SPEAKERThe, the, the talk, the Zach Gage talk that I think is, is my favorite treatise on this is called
1:23:21SPEAKERdesigning for problem solvers. If you search for Zach Gage and designing for problem solver problem
1:23:28SPEAKERsolvers, it comes right up. And it's about routine versus non-routine problems. That's what we're
1:23:33SPEAKERtalking about. So like in the example of cooking, the routine problem is following a recipe and
1:23:38SPEAKERexecuting the recipe and collecting all the ingredients and figuring out the timing and,
1:23:41SPEAKERand then actually doing the mechanical part of cooking and then putting it on a plate and eating
1:23:45SPEAKERit right. The non-routine problem is learning how to read a recipe in the first place. Cause it's a
1:23:50SPEAKERspecialized bit of knowledge. And, and this, this talk is really good about breaking down how that
1:23:57SPEAKERapplies to games. Cause that's what Zach cares about, but it, it, it's, it's quite good. Very
1:24:03SPEAKERinformative anyway. Yeah. It's a thorny prop. So I don't think you're a gen alpha kids or shiftless
1:24:08SPEAKERlayabouts because they don't know how to use a file system. Brad clearly with his boomer take
1:24:13SPEAKERdoes though. No, no, that's not what I'm saying at all. Nobody ever showed them how it's just
1:24:17SPEAKERthat what I'm saying, what I'm saying more generally as again, as an effort toward individual
1:24:22SPEAKERempowerment, like if you don't know how to do something like really just try to develop the
1:24:25SPEAKERhabit of just typing, how do I do blank? Yeah, absolutely. And see what you find. And it might
1:24:31SPEAKERnot be something you're interested in or feel like you have the aptitude to approach, but it might be
1:24:36SPEAKERlike it might, you might, you might learn that you can learn it more easily than you think. And
1:24:40SPEAKERthere's also, there's the thing, this is directly applicable to my parenting. I realized that my
1:24:47SPEAKERwas afraid to try doing stuff cause she was afraid she was going to break something. Yeah. That's
1:24:50SPEAKERkind of how I feel about cooking. Right. But, but so we, we spent, I made a concentrated effort to
1:24:56SPEAKERteach her that it's pretty hard to break most things beyond the point that you can repair them
1:25:01SPEAKERand also break things in a way that's going to hurt you or hurt something that you love or hurt
1:25:05SPEAKERsomething that you enjoy doing and, and, and all of that stuff. So like knowing one of my earliest
1:25:13SPEAKERformative memories for learning how to work with PCs was one of my, the guy who lived across the
1:25:19SPEAKERhall from me in my freshman dorm fucked up his computer one day and it wasn't booting. It was
1:25:23SPEAKERan OS 10 warp machine. So it was a weird computer, OS2 warp machine rather. And he was like, I don't,
1:25:29SPEAKERI'm not going to get this paper done. I was like, well, here, what do you show me what you have?
1:25:33SPEAKERAnd he had the disc, the thing with six floppy disks in it. And you know, here's how you
1:25:38SPEAKERreinstall OS2 warp. And I sat down and I just followed the fucking instructions in the book.
1:25:43SPEAKERAnd I was like, Oh, okay. So if I can fix this computer that I know absolutely nothing about,
1:25:48SPEAKERjust by following some really basic instructions that were written in this manual that came with
1:25:51SPEAKERthe computer, I can probably fix almost anything that's wrong with the computer. And that knowledge
1:25:57SPEAKERwas formative and important. And if you, if I hadn't had that experience, I don't think I'd
1:26:03SPEAKERbe where I am right now. I don't think I'd be sitting here talking about this with you. Right.
1:26:07SPEAKERYeah. Yeah. So yeah, try, you have to be willing to take chances and break shit, which, you know,
1:26:14SPEAKERjust don't, don't break anything that's going to hurt somebody. Yeah. Yeah. That's good advice.
1:26:18SPEAKERYeah. And I think on that note, is that a wrap? Should we wrap it up?
1:26:23SPEAKERYeah. Let's call it. I apologize for referencing Shags's question, but we'll answer it in the,
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1:27:41SPEAKERBunnyThing, I still have not quite. What's a BunnyThing?
1:27:44SPEAKERDo your BunnyThing. I look, I'm not going to, I'm not going to
1:27:47SPEAKERkink shame anybody who's doing their BunnyThing. Okay. It's just so vague. It calls all kinds of
1:27:52SPEAKERimages. Anyway. Well, huh. I didn't really have any image. What images are you talking about,
1:27:57SPEAKERBrad? No specific image. That's it's more, I guess what it calls to mind more is like,
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