00:00SPEAKERcan I share a secret with you will yet it's just you and me here nobody else is
00:04SPEAKERlistening we're it's just the two of us nobody else all right don't let anyone
00:07SPEAKERknow this especially the people in the PC community because I feel like I'm
00:12SPEAKERgonna lose my PC card after this but oh I have been playing the new find the
00:17SPEAKERfantasy 16 that just came out on PC yeah it's the 16th one in that series well
00:23SPEAKERprobably more than just 16 but you know no number 16 it's clearly they haven't
00:28SPEAKERdone where that would be ridiculous you're right you're it anyway there's
00:33SPEAKERbeen a heat wave in the Bay Area I'm sure you know had had to experience it
00:38SPEAKERand I mostly play on my small form factor gaming box connected to my TV
00:43SPEAKERokay that's a reasonable computer it sounds like yeah and I wanted to game
00:48SPEAKERduring this heat wave but I was like man I really don't want to be dumping a ton
00:52SPEAKERof hot air into the room though I said I I said it to 40 FPS at 4k and it was
01:03SPEAKERfine
01:10SPEAKERit was completely playable it you know what it felt like a console like
01:14SPEAKERexperiences you know a smooth 40 I look you've been talking about smooth 30 for
01:21SPEAKERa really long time to the point that I couldn't tell if it was a joke or a bit
01:24SPEAKERthat I just didn't know the start of well to me to be fair that's from Gordon
01:28SPEAKERokay I can't take credit but this is too far 40 40 look I I'm all about that 40
01:35SPEAKERframes per second life on the PlayStation or maybe even the steam deck
01:38SPEAKERmm-hmm when I have a full ass computer hooked up to a giant TV smooth 40 is not
01:45SPEAKERwhere it's at I it it it's hard to describe it it was fine it was fine not
01:52SPEAKERonly was it fine I wasn't dumping a hot a ton of hot air into my room and I was
01:57SPEAKERhappy about that actually GPU fan even spinning no no it wasn't okay I will say
02:04SPEAKERI accidentally played fortnight the other day and I had it locked at 60
02:07SPEAKERframes a second in the fan I was like it's weird the fans aren't even I looked
02:12SPEAKERdown and the fan wasn't even turning on the GPU and I was like oh I've done
02:15SPEAKERsomething I've done something here so I get it as a mistake that's okay but I
02:20SPEAKERdon't know if a lifestyle choice it seems like a bit much to me I just just
02:25SPEAKERdon't tell anyone all right you know it's just between you and me and and
02:29SPEAKERnobody else has to know is your secret safe with me buddy
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02:59SPEAKERwelcome to bread will be detect pod I'm will and I'm also here with Adam who is
03:05SPEAKERstill not Brad hi Adam still not bread but I've also a four-letter name so I
03:11SPEAKERguess I cut that kind of works I could I could have gotten your co-worker or our
03:15SPEAKERco-worker I guess Brad charcass from over at PC world he's another brand we
03:19SPEAKERneed a substitute Brad ever I guess he's he's maybe available but um if we're
03:24SPEAKERfolks don't know Adam Patrick Murray welcome back to the show I think this is
03:27SPEAKERyour second or third time maybe Oh third time I think actually how does it feel
03:31SPEAKERhonored yeah well I mean at my understanding from from Kishore is you
03:36SPEAKERget a jacket at the fifth time so we're never gonna invite him back again because
03:39SPEAKERhe's stuck at four but welcome back for folks who don't know Adam Patrick Murray
03:44SPEAKERis the co the substitute host of the full nerd is the video person he's in
03:51SPEAKERcharge of video over at PC world he's the mastermind behind the video strategy
03:55SPEAKERover PC world then the full nerd and and and is a generally delightful human
04:00SPEAKERbeing but don't tell him I said that hey thanks you and I share a common interest
04:05SPEAKERI think probably more than one yeah but you know which one are you referring to
04:10SPEAKERI I was gonna talk about the the topic so for folks who don't know I should do
04:16SPEAKERsome housekeeping first Brad still is on location in North
04:19SPEAKERCarolina I've talked to him a couple of times since he got out there last it's
04:24SPEAKERbeen a few days since I talked to him the last time the last time I talked to
04:28SPEAKERhim he still had didn't have power yet which was a Saturday or Sunday so it's
04:34SPEAKERstill pretty hinky and like the scale of devastation there is is pretty rough his
04:39SPEAKERfolks are fine is his parents houses relatively unscathed they were there you
04:43SPEAKERknow they had a little minor flooding he said so it's not it's not you know
04:47SPEAKERapocalyptic it's just a hassle and being there without power and and water I
04:54SPEAKERthink they have a generator hooked up now so that's good that's crazy but yeah
04:58SPEAKERso they have so they have as he said we have water that we can flush the toilets
05:02SPEAKERwith which is pretty exciting that they didn't have to haul in because they're
05:05SPEAKERon a well oh okay yeah but yeah we're gonna we're gonna talk when Brad's back
05:11SPEAKERwe're gonna talk all about it because there's a lot of interesting topics but
05:14SPEAKERit might be another week or two before he makes it back in this point because
05:17SPEAKERhe is helping his folks out so Adams here substitute Brad Adam is here and we
05:23SPEAKERare going to talk today about a topic of shared interest the the personal
05:29SPEAKERcomputer handheld a video game console the category spawned by the steam deck I
05:35SPEAKERguess is is the for lack of a better term or a popularized by the steam deck
05:40SPEAKERI would say okay yeah you're right cuz like they've been there have been people
05:45SPEAKERmaking these kinds of computers out of Southeast Asia for like I don't know
05:50SPEAKERmaybe 15 years at this point it seems like yeah but not that they weren't good
05:55SPEAKERno they were bad yeah I definitely didn't get into it in earnest until the
06:01SPEAKERsteam deck for sure but yeah mostly I used to play a lot of of those little
06:08SPEAKERLinux handheld you know for emulation kind of stuff I actually years ago I
06:12SPEAKERreviewed a bunch of those for PC world the problem is is that they just came
06:16SPEAKERout hot and heavy you think I ania releases a lot of devices wait until you
06:21SPEAKERsee some of those Linux based or now Android and a lot of them switched over
06:25SPEAKERto Android but yeah it's interesting there was there was a period of time in
06:29SPEAKERlike the early to mid 2000s when there were a lot of like penny mm and celeron
06:34SPEAKERbased atom based ones right like basically netbooks with game pads
06:37SPEAKERattached and then then the arm stuff took over and I feel like the arm stuff
06:42SPEAKERactually kind of moved right like there was there was a fair scene most of the
06:47SPEAKERplaces where computer nerds lived for people who were like emulating SNES and
06:51SPEAKERgame game boy and GBA games on those boxes but and there still is actually
06:58SPEAKERyeah oh yeah yeah but now now we've reached a new turning point with this I
07:04SPEAKERthink the steam deck has made this a much more mainstream concept for whatever
07:08SPEAKERreason we could talk about work yeah yeah I mean I think also like the switch
07:13SPEAKERlike you know brought a lot of people into the handheld fold as well that's
07:18SPEAKERtrue I know a lot of switch people just keep it docked but I don't know I I've
07:21SPEAKERalways been a handheld fan like my first personal console the one that was mine
07:26SPEAKERnot a family members or something or a shared experience was the original game
07:31SPEAKERboy like I just I've always had a soft spot in my heart for handhelds and it
07:36SPEAKERjust might always my go-to for for gaming if I can so I was in Hawaii when
07:42SPEAKERthe game boy color was brand-new nice and was walking into like I walked into
07:48SPEAKERa shop where they I didn't expect them to have game stuff and they had them in
07:51SPEAKERstock there and my wife and I grabbed him was the first time I had a game boy
07:55SPEAKERmy sister had the game boy when I was a kid so I had to beg borrow and steal
07:58SPEAKERthat thing but the color was such a fun it played all my old SNES games and I
08:04SPEAKERcould I guess maybe that was the GBA when I think about but anyway there were
08:07SPEAKERa lot of SNES games on the on the color and I played the heck out of the thing
08:10SPEAKERwas it was a fine little console and I've been kind of hooked ever since
08:14SPEAKERhandhelds man they're the best yeah it turns out you can sit in the living room
08:17SPEAKERwatched you can do three things at once you watch TV you can play a game you can
08:21SPEAKERtalk to your significant other it's it's what everybody it's the cornerstone of
08:24SPEAKERevery healthy relationship exactly yeah so okay so a couple years ago valve
08:29SPEAKERduring the pandemic rolled out the steam deck it was kind of a big they made they
08:34SPEAKERmade a little bit of a splash I don't know if they anticipated this but people
08:38SPEAKERwere really excited about a relatively inexpensive like three four hundred
08:41SPEAKERdollar device that could play a lot of PC games from your Steam library and do
08:47SPEAKERit in with like a reasonable amount of battery life and a reasonable amount of
08:51SPEAKERperformance and a decent looking but not necessarily high-resolution screen and
08:56SPEAKERit was sold out for a really long time like it like yeah like it took nine
09:01SPEAKERmonths I think before I got my hands on one oh really well yeah I was I was
09:06SPEAKERthere right on day one to pre-order like jamming the button and so I got mine
09:10SPEAKERwithin a week of launch I think oh I know I was pretty fancy see I was
09:16SPEAKERwaiting for the reviews because I was a little skeptical about the whole thing
09:19SPEAKERhaving been burned by the steam the steam machines the first go-round which
09:23SPEAKERwas like yeah seven 2014 2015 they rolled out a series of Debbie and Linux
09:30SPEAKERbased personal computers that didn't run Windows and also didn't run games so it
09:36SPEAKERwas kind of a failed kind of a failed experiment there as I think well don't
09:42SPEAKERforget about the steam controller and the steam link valve has got a great
09:46SPEAKERtracker a trigger of hardware yeah okay so I love the steam link we like I have
09:51SPEAKERthree or four of them here I still have one in box I have a steam controller in
09:55SPEAKERmy drawer right beside me I actually here yeah it's literally right next to
10:02SPEAKERyou boom right there boom it's true yeah I I don't love the steam controller but
10:09SPEAKERI actually do love the vibe the vibe and the index ones that kind of spawned off
10:13SPEAKERof the speed and steam controller I think they're they're very good VR the
10:16SPEAKERthe index ones especially a very good VR controllers anyway the point is they've
10:21SPEAKERbeen they've been working on this hey we can play civilization in the living room
10:25SPEAKERthing for a long time and and like the steam deck is kind of the culmination of
10:30SPEAKERall this the the thing we're talking about isn't necessarily just the steam
10:33SPEAKERdeck though is that the handheld market has kind of grown and expanded beyond it
10:36SPEAKERand you've spent a lot of time with the bits of it that I haven't I've spent a
10:40SPEAKERlot of time with steam decks I've spent a lot of time with the Linux side you
10:42SPEAKERspent a ton of time with the windows side and I think there's an interesting
10:46SPEAKERkind of like hey where's all this stuff at right now because we're getting ready
10:50SPEAKERto see the second wave of these is gonna start coming out soon and I'm really
10:54SPEAKERwildly curious to see what happens there's also some interesting rumors
10:57SPEAKERgoing on with like be a valve rolling out arm binaries and stuff like that for
11:02SPEAKERsteam oh for their steam OS front end for arch that they're running they're
11:09SPEAKERputting money into arch Linux development now like it's it's crazy so
11:14SPEAKERwhat it it's it's one of those it's one of those things where like I'm deep in
11:19SPEAKERit and I love just reading about all the the small little announcements or rumors
11:25SPEAKERor anything like that but I also am having a hard time getting a sense of
11:29SPEAKERjust how big the market is I mean I've talked to a lot of vendors who make the
11:33SPEAKERthe windows based ones and they're like oh yeah this is a you know a growth
11:39SPEAKERmarket for us we're definitely keeping an eye on it but also at the same time
11:43SPEAKERlike they're like yeah you know we don't think it's gonna sell like hotcakes but
11:47SPEAKERyou know if it if it's a gaming device that has a lot of interest then you know
11:52SPEAKERwe want to be there we want our company name to be the top of mind for gamers so
11:57SPEAKERthe major companies have thrown in for the most part all of the the major
12:03SPEAKERlaptop manufacturers have have gotten into the game there's no Dell or HP no
12:09SPEAKERAcer I don't think right well Acer they I just saw the new Acer one or the the
12:15SPEAKERfirst Acer one at IFA I did a video on that over on PC world the Acer Nitro
12:21SPEAKERBlaze 7 there's a little bit of controversy around that one I'm not
12:25SPEAKERquite sure how well it's gonna be but but actually I remember taking a
12:30SPEAKERbriefing and I should go back and look but Alienware had a concept and now the
12:37SPEAKERname of it is escaping me and we actually did a video of it it was Intel
12:42SPEAKERbased at the time I think it was it must have been maybe ice lake powered I can't
12:48SPEAKERremember but it was an Alienware handheld with detachable controllers it
12:52SPEAKERwas maybe 2018 CES 2018 maybe UFO concept yes that's it that is it the UFO
13:00SPEAKERyeah we did a video on it I remember Gordon like I mean he you know Gordon's
13:04SPEAKERnot a huge handheld gamer if you know Gordon but he was still just like wow
13:08SPEAKERthis is this is crazy it's a PC version and that that thing never saw the light
13:14SPEAKERof day unfortunately but I did get my hands on it the interesting little blip
13:18SPEAKERrazor did a thing at CES as well around the same maybe those are a little bit
13:22SPEAKERearlier than that but it was basically it was basically a screen like a switch
13:27SPEAKERstyle screen with two it looked like PlayStation move secondary controllers
13:33SPEAKERlike the like the the not the main one with the ball on top but the other one
13:37SPEAKERthey used with the stick and they never sold that one either but I mean it was
13:42SPEAKERinteresting because when the Steam Deck came out all of a sudden it became the
13:45SPEAKERlike the cheapest entry point for a PC gamer like for somebody who wanted to
13:51SPEAKERget into PC games like before that somebody was like hey I want to I want
13:56SPEAKERto be able to play games I'm on a PC what do I do and you say okay it's gonna
14:00SPEAKERbe like 600 bucks and you're gonna have something that'll kind of play games at
14:03SPEAKER1080p and then all of a sudden you have this handheld that's like pretty good it
14:07SPEAKERlike it's not able to play everything but it plays a lot of stuff I mean I do
14:12SPEAKERthink there's a lot of PC gamers who got into it because and actually myself
14:16SPEAKERincluded I started with a laptop I was like oh I have a laptop can this thing
14:19SPEAKERplay games and then this is good to me it kind of a natural extension of a lot
14:24SPEAKERof people who were like oh wow I can have a you know portable somewhat
14:29SPEAKERportable device and the price is like not that bad and have it just be gaming
14:34SPEAKERfocused also at the same time you know that that I feel like it kind of lined
14:39SPEAKERup that people were were expecting a switch pro around that time to the the
14:45SPEAKERswitch had already gotten long in the tooth a little bit so she's like oh wow
14:48SPEAKERthis is kind of like an upgraded switch I mean you know they're different but
14:52SPEAKERsame concept of a handheld gaming device that could actually play like triple-a
15:00SPEAKERgames to a certain degree I mean yeah Elden Ring a lot of people just played
15:05SPEAKERElden Ring on on the Steam Deck I'd like I feel like it's still like high up on
15:09SPEAKERthe Steam Deck charts it was the last time I like anything that launched
15:13SPEAKERacross generations seemed to play pretty well on the Steam Deck any of the ps4
15:17SPEAKERslash Xbox one era games that also came out on the newer consoles seem to play
15:21SPEAKERpretty well so so yeah it's it's interesting they kind of they kind of
15:26SPEAKERlike yeah same thing that valve created this category is not exactly right
15:30SPEAKERbecause you're right it has been around for a really long time but but they kind
15:34SPEAKERof blew lit fire under it it seems like and oh yes they did it with it like the
15:40SPEAKERhardware is essentially a custom rDNA to APU from AMD right so it's they they
15:48SPEAKERadded a little bit more graphics it's one of the older cores now these days
15:52SPEAKERwhen we're up to you know our DNA for and soon five but but it it gets the job
16:00SPEAKERdone I think is it does is what I would but I would say it's great for indie
16:04SPEAKERstuff it's works with something some triple-a stuff we talked about it at
16:08SPEAKERlength a couple months ago so we don't have to dig back in a whole lot but
16:12SPEAKERthey're on essentially their 1.5 version the OLED model is like a slightly
16:15SPEAKERrevamped version 1 it fixes some stuff with like download speeds and battery
16:20SPEAKERcharging and stuff like that but for the most part it's just the initial one with
16:24SPEAKERa better screen and and some slight changes and it like I said before it
16:29SPEAKERruns Linux this time it's arch it's immutable it's it's with a custom
16:34SPEAKERfront-end basically really nice really smooth and yeah a genuinely a good
16:41SPEAKERexperience and that has been the sticking point for a lot of people with
16:45SPEAKERthe windows based ones is that a lot of people don't you like using windows for
16:49SPEAKERa handheld yeah yeah friend of the show Jeff grub over at giant bomb had said
16:56SPEAKERthat the the console the team that gives him a console like experience to play PC
17:02SPEAKERgames which which he was into and and like there's a way that that could be a
17:08SPEAKERmean thing and there's a way that that could be a positive way that could be a
17:13SPEAKERnegative statement a way that could be a positive statement I've always chosen to
17:16SPEAKERinterpret it as I don't have to think about what is happening here I can just
17:21SPEAKERpress the button in the game works and I think that's I think that's that's the
17:25SPEAKERexperience you get on the Linux version right I mean for the most part there
17:29SPEAKERstill are some experiences that are either I mean just not gonna run because
17:33SPEAKERit's Linux or like the this whatever configuration is it just it just not
17:38SPEAKERgonna play well like I mean I the new Silent Hill to surprise surprise remake
17:44SPEAKERdoes not play well on the Steam Deck so yeah I'm gonna bet the Space Marine to a
17:48SPEAKERbrand new fairly hefty game is also probably not going to run particularly
17:53SPEAKERwell on the Steam Deck but okay so so you alluded this a minute ago the other
17:59SPEAKERthing that's happened since the Steam Deck came out when we first talked about
18:01SPEAKERthis a couple years ago is there are now a buttload of Windows handhelds out in
18:06SPEAKERthe market Asus came out with the Ally Lenovo has as their thing with like
18:12SPEAKERremoved detachable switch style controllers INEO seems to make a new
18:16SPEAKERWindows based APU game handheld every other month it seems like there's like
18:23SPEAKERthey have they have an enormous number of them MSI released the claw which is I
18:28SPEAKERthink the only thing that's running on non AMD hardware not the only thing I
18:34SPEAKERactually did have another meteor like base device
18:39SPEAKERthat one the the one player so it's a horrible name like I'm butchering it the
18:46SPEAKERthe one player xx1 or something like that but it's like it's it's this one's
18:50SPEAKERactually interesting because it's like it's like a tablet that you attach
18:53SPEAKERcontrollers on the side yeah okay so it's the 1x player x1 yes and it has it
19:00SPEAKERhas a rise in 788 for to you so it has like a real laptop processor instead of
19:05SPEAKERa instead of an APU rain no I know I've a meteor like based one oh you've a
19:11SPEAKERmeteor like based one okay yeah yeah yeah so so so anyway the upshot is most
19:18SPEAKERof these are a and B there's a handful of Intel the experience is pretty much
19:23SPEAKERthe same across all those platforms I think the claw the MSI Intel based one
19:28SPEAKERhad some perf problems at the beginning just because it's using Intel graphics
19:32SPEAKERwhich are a little fraught but it seems like that's working out it's improving
19:38SPEAKERat least over time I don't know that I would recommend probably buying one of
19:44SPEAKERthose right now but the the point is there's a broad selection of hardware
19:49SPEAKERavailable on the windows side that's typically fairly high-powered compared to
19:55SPEAKERthe steam deck oh yeah I mean like none of it I would say is like leaps and
20:01SPEAKERbounds above a steam deck experience I mean valve has done a lot of tuning even
20:08SPEAKERwith that older hardware I mean it's kind of like what Nintendo's done with
20:12SPEAKERthe switch is like I mean that thing is really old but it's still playing games
20:16SPEAKERfairly well and and it's it's good enough right and this is even better
20:21SPEAKERbecause it's newer but the the windows experiences are like oh you want to you
20:25SPEAKERwant a little bit more okay and then every every generation of new AMD APU
20:30SPEAKERthat comes up is is not revolutionary but it's like a 10% better or you know
20:36SPEAKERhey better battery life things like that so it's it's incremental in a way that I
20:43SPEAKERthink on the windows side the companies are always gonna want to increment a
20:47SPEAKERlittle bit quicker than probably valve I think valve is gonna take a longer
20:51SPEAKERapproach kind of like Nintendo personally is what I think but well and
20:57SPEAKERand the other thing you're seeing is better screens faster so a lot of the
21:02SPEAKERwindows handhelds are shipping with 1080p screens which look there's limits
21:07SPEAKERto human vision at that distance from your from your face and that size screen
21:10SPEAKERthey're like seven or eight inch screens typically and there I think the steam
21:14SPEAKERdeck is a 1280 by 800 and we're seeing we're seeing some kind of ridiculous
21:18SPEAKERresolutions frankly on the on the some of the windows handhelds yeah the Lenovo
21:23SPEAKERlegion go which is not a personal favorite one of mine but it's 8 inch
21:27SPEAKER1600p green and it's like okay well you know it didn't really need to be like
21:34SPEAKERthat but but I mean like you look at what's going on with the Ally line and
21:40SPEAKERthey they've done like they just did a refresh a couple months ago now I guess
21:44SPEAKERand and you know you're getting better better APUs better screens better
21:50SPEAKERbattery life they're rearranging they're changing the orientation of the SSDs on
21:55SPEAKERthe back you get multiple SSD slots all sorts of crazy stuff right yeah I mean
22:00SPEAKERthat and that's the other thing I like about this community too is that you can
22:04SPEAKERdo a lot of modding I mean I switched out the backplate on my my steam deck D
22:09SPEAKERbrand has custom skins I think that my first edition steam deck that are the
22:15SPEAKERlaunch one I should say I switched out to Hall effect sticks I initially I got
22:21SPEAKERthose really bad fans so I cracked it open and put in a different fan so like
22:27SPEAKERit you can tinker with it if you want to and that that's that's one of the things
22:31SPEAKERI like about all these well valve especially has done as partnered with I
22:35SPEAKERfix it I think so you can buy replacement parts and like do your own
22:38SPEAKERrepairs if you so desire which is which is cool great okay so let's let's talk
22:43SPEAKERabout if you're looking at these things and you're curious and you don't know
22:46SPEAKERwhat to go what to do I to me the big question is are you gonna buy the Linux
22:51SPEAKERone which is the steam deck or you're gonna buy one of the windows ones that
22:54SPEAKERmay be a little bit probably a little bit more expensive probably a little
22:59SPEAKERbetter specs on paper but you know the the big the big thing is with Linux most
23:05SPEAKERgames work but some things don't work so specifically fortnight's always a
23:10SPEAKERproblem because epic doesn't seem to want to make their anti-cheat work on on
23:15SPEAKERon Linux up for Steam weirdly it's like they have some sort of beef over a boil
23:21SPEAKERthings paid to stores or something I don't know so epic epic first party epic
23:27SPEAKERgames are never gonna run the steam deck you should just assume that at this
23:30SPEAKERpoint so fortnight's out other newer games at launch that use specific anti
23:35SPEAKERcheats and anti copy protection or anti piracy measures also won't work on the
23:40SPEAKERsteam deck so like I think Space Marine is knocked out because of that right I
23:45SPEAKERthink they have an anti anti copy protection thing right now that that
23:48SPEAKERprevents them from working also heavier games aren't gonna work
23:53SPEAKERalthough at 1280 by 800 you kind of be surprised what works like cyberpunk is
23:56SPEAKERsurprisingly playable at a god help me smooth 40 exactly yeah embrace it I do
24:05SPEAKERthink but I mean I feel like that's an outlier where like they've done a lot of
24:10SPEAKERwork they literally in their their settings menu have a steam deck option so
24:15SPEAKERyou know I think most triple-a game developers probably don't aren't gonna
24:19SPEAKERput that little effort into steam deck specifically but I mean I wish well but
24:25SPEAKERthat's one of the things is interesting actually because one of the things you
24:28SPEAKERkind of have to do if you want to get that valve has for steam deck
24:32SPEAKERspecifically a steam deck certified green banner that they run you through
24:37SPEAKERlike a special it's the only kind of cert you get on since steam is is they
24:42SPEAKERrun you through some tests they check things like your font size and that the
24:45SPEAKERcontroller glyphs match and they also look at perf if your perf is too bad
24:49SPEAKERthey won't pass you know their bar for too bad perf is probably lower than what
24:53SPEAKERmine would be but um but most people end up making custom configs for steam deck
25:01SPEAKERthey just don't expose them in the UI like like cyberpunk does I think so
25:06SPEAKERanyway it's like it's stuff like that stuff like hey we we have a we have a
25:12SPEAKERmechanism to get to deliver a custom config for your handheld game is
25:18SPEAKERsomething you get when you run the steam deck and you don't get on the other
25:21SPEAKERhandhelds necessarily yeah I mean I will say the drivers for
25:27SPEAKERRyzen based windows or I'm sorry like Radeon drivers on windows are usually
25:35SPEAKERpretty good with these APUs to like kind of auto detect what settings and enable
25:40SPEAKERand stuff like that but yeah I mean you're gonna have to go in and tinker
25:43SPEAKERway more than than you would on the steam deck but hey I mean that's also
25:48SPEAKERwhy I like being a PC gamer that's because I actually do like going into
25:53SPEAKERsettings menus and tinkering so no see you and I are very different I just like
25:56SPEAKERto play the games it turns out you just want a console I want a PC I just want a
26:02SPEAKERbig giant screen I want it to always work and it would be really really fast
26:05SPEAKERso that when I play like the best thing that can happen to me when I'm playing
26:09SPEAKERfortnight is I come up against some some kid with a switch and they're running
26:12SPEAKERlike 18 frames a second and I just absolutely annihilate them because yeah
26:16SPEAKERwhat are they gonna do okay so we got Linux on one side some of the games
26:24SPEAKERdon't work now it is more extensible these days with stuff like like emu like
26:30SPEAKERthe tools surrounding the steam deck have grown up dramatically in the last
26:33SPEAKERcouple years since the steam deck came out right there's emu deck which is
26:37SPEAKERbasically a Linux front-end to launch a bazillion different emulators you can
26:44SPEAKERload and pre install and configure and get all set up and then dump them into
26:49SPEAKERyour steam UI so they're right there ready to go
26:53SPEAKERLutris does the same thing for third-party Windows stores so stuff like
26:57SPEAKERepic store and battle net and GOG and all those you be the Ubisoft games
27:02SPEAKERlauncher all of our favorites or EA the EA app they're all in there and you can
27:08SPEAKERload them up download the games that you want to play there only on those stores
27:11SPEAKERyou can even use stuff like deci loader to automatically add all the non steam
27:17SPEAKERgames all the emulator stuff into the steam UI with art and everything so that
27:22SPEAKERyou don't have to like manually download images from the steam steam grid DB or
27:28SPEAKERany of that stuff and then put them in put them in the Linux desktop it's it's
27:32SPEAKERit's gotten pretty easy to play non steam games on your steam deck at this
27:36SPEAKERpoint once again with the caveats of of course there are games that just either
27:41SPEAKERare not gonna run because anti cheat or just too heavy to yeah for performance
27:46SPEAKERwise yeah you can even you can even do stuff like I have I have clients like
27:52SPEAKERchiaqui and there's clients for Xbox game streaming and PlayStation game
27:58SPEAKERstreaming to let you connect your steam deck over the network to your console so
28:02SPEAKERlike I played a lot of astro bot on the steam deck although I do have to say
28:07SPEAKERPlayStation games especially that use the dual sense triggers the adaptive
28:10SPEAKERtriggers for gameplay stuff you lose a lot when you play those on non adaptive
28:15SPEAKERtrigger games but when you plug that into the console when you when you when
28:23SPEAKERyou plug that into the TV the steam deck into the TV and you're streaming from
28:26SPEAKERthe PlayStation 5 to the to the to the steam deck and you use a dual sense on
28:31SPEAKERthe steam deck is your steam deck controller you play on the TV you still
28:35SPEAKERget the adaptive triggers and stuff now that's pretty cool no nice yeah okay so
28:40SPEAKERthat so that's the sitch with Linux like it's it's I'm gonna say I like it a lot
28:46SPEAKERbecause as a whole you have like one place you update the the OS you know
28:51SPEAKERyou're you don't you're not fooling with updating drivers you're not fooling with
28:54SPEAKERupdating Windows software you're not fooling with updating the game clients
28:57SPEAKERit's all just part of the OS and when you hit the button it installs it all
29:03SPEAKERand you don't have to worry about it and there's not like 50 places to look at
29:06SPEAKERthings now windows everything works on windows that's pretty nice windows is
29:14SPEAKERwindows it's just windows what do you want to do with it you can you do
29:17SPEAKERwhatever you want with it yeah like you can you can and and all of these
29:22SPEAKERhandheld devices come with some vendor built I want to say 10-foot UI but it's
29:28SPEAKERa handheld UI that's supposed to supplant the steam big picture mode or
29:34SPEAKERyou know I guess epic and GOG and all these other things don't really have big
29:38SPEAKERpicture modes but the point is it's the thing you're supposed to use to navigate
29:42SPEAKERwith the gamepad gamepad controls and then you can shell out to the windows if
29:47SPEAKERyou want and you have like the kind of bad touchscreen experience we've all
29:50SPEAKERbecome accustomed to with windows on a touchscreen but it's kind of a pain in
29:57SPEAKERthe ass to maintain yeah I mean I I'll give you that for sure is that the the
30:07SPEAKERthe most simple experience is still kind of complicated because I mean it's
30:11SPEAKERWindows because you're going through and setting things up and then making sure
30:15SPEAKERyou you're updated in Windows Update or whatever the the actual launcher that
30:20SPEAKERthe company provides I think the bigger problem too is that you can't you can't
30:27SPEAKERlaunch the gate you can't download the games directly from the launcher the
30:31SPEAKERlauncher is only seeing games that are installed already on the system so yeah
30:37SPEAKERso you can't even when you have things configured and up and running and steam
30:41SPEAKERstarts automatically when you start up it's not like you you can go straight
30:45SPEAKERinto that launcher and be like hey you know what I'm let's download this game I
30:49SPEAKERwant to play this it's only scanning for downloaded games so you still constantly
30:54SPEAKERhave to kind of go out and download new games I mean it's fine like for me like
30:58SPEAKERI'd know how to use Windows it's not a problem like and honestly one of the
31:03SPEAKERthings I do is disable auto launch for those front ends for the most part and
31:07SPEAKERend up auto launching steam big big picture mode because that's where I do
31:11SPEAKERmost of my gaming anyway so I mean it's not perfect but just auto launching in
31:17SPEAKERthe big picture mode kind of makes it closer to the steam deck you know the
31:22SPEAKERnormal I could see that but but then you still have things like driver updates
31:26SPEAKERand steam updates and like you get tabbed out for some reason like you're
31:32SPEAKERlike oh what happened why'd my game go away and it's like your video card
31:36SPEAKERdrivers like hey man you should consider upgrading me it's probably time hey do
31:40SPEAKERyou get the version the zoom client it's great you're gonna love this hey you
31:44SPEAKERwant to sign up for a phone link I actually like I like phone link it's
31:49SPEAKERpretty good but I do look I'm on an iOS device so I don't have an easy way to
31:54SPEAKERget text messages on my computer and it turns out really nice to be able to send
31:59SPEAKERa text message from your computer sometimes got it anyway the manager
32:03SPEAKERfracture front ends are wildly varying qualities though in my experience right
32:07SPEAKERlike this is one I think is actually pretty good I tested that Lenovo the
32:12SPEAKERLenovo Legion and I was kind of disappointed in that one I haven't spent
32:15SPEAKERany time with the INEOS but I can imagine that they're all over the place
32:19SPEAKERand actually the the Asus front-end launcher just went through a major
32:23SPEAKERrevision recently too so it's it's gotten better a lot of them are
32:27SPEAKERcontinuing to iterate and yes you're right they're all different leg levels
32:31SPEAKERof quality and usability broken English things like that so I mean it just it
32:37SPEAKERcomes with the territory once again I think it's one of those things where
32:40SPEAKERit's it it's more like a PC in terms of you're gonna have to do a lot more
32:45SPEAKERconfiguration and hand-holding and you know working through some jankiness
32:50SPEAKERwhere the Steam Deck is closer to a console even though even though I
32:54SPEAKERbelieve it is a gaming piece a handheld gaming PC it definitely is closer on
32:59SPEAKERthat console spectrum but what if will you have both oh hello what if you could
33:06SPEAKERhave both on one device that sounds pretty well so it's funny to me that
33:09SPEAKERLinux is the least fiddly option here right it's the least janky thing because
33:14SPEAKERthat's typically typically the if you're like hey I'm gonna run a consumer
33:19SPEAKERelectronics device on Linux and it's like a computer and not like a thermostat
33:24SPEAKERor something you're like oh yeah well good luck with that buddy but but it's
33:28SPEAKERlike that's where we're at with this I think that's where we're at with this
33:30SPEAKERcategory and and yes there is a third way I have it written down here in the
33:34SPEAKERnotes even it says a third way there is a third way and it's something that has
33:39SPEAKERdefinitely made me a recent convert so we're talking about bizite yeah and we
33:44SPEAKERwe actually did a video in this on the PC world channel our experiences with it
33:49SPEAKERso we kind of go in in depth over there but the idea is what if you could get a
33:54SPEAKERwindows-based handheld and actually dual boot have one partition be windows the
34:01SPEAKERother partition be bizite which in my mind has been the best of both worlds to
34:07SPEAKERtell you the truth I mean I say why even dual boot I just say put Linux on that
34:11SPEAKERbad boy but um also the one piece of feedback from the from the there were a
34:16SPEAKERcouple pieces of feedback from that video because it's been up for a minute
34:19SPEAKERnow well one is that there was some buzz I'd
34:23SPEAKERbaz I'd I don't know what the right way to say it is they don't have it on the
34:26SPEAKERwebsite when I looked I couldn't find anything so but baz I'd bazite I don't
34:32SPEAKERwe yeah it's really good it's it's based on fedora the fedora mutable core fedora
34:39SPEAKERatomic desktops hmm and the mutable just means that it like the steam deck OS
34:44SPEAKERthat valve ships based on arch the main gist of the of the OS partition is not
34:50SPEAKERwritable in a way that is meaningful and when you blow away that partition and
34:55SPEAKERupdate an image you're just updating a system an image that replaces the
34:59SPEAKERsoftware instead of doing the typical you know apt update that holds down
35:04SPEAKEReverything from there from their repos and updates each package individually it
35:08SPEAKERmeans it's easier to maintain is the TLDR if you don't care about a bunch of
35:12SPEAKERLinux stuff and and it's it's really neat it's like a really good it's it's a
35:18SPEAKERgood balance of what you get with the steam deck OS on Linux and running it on
35:25SPEAKERslightly more capable hardware is kind of kind of the long and short of it I
35:30SPEAKERthink yeah so I've been playing on the the RGL the Asus RGL ax which is running
35:37SPEAKERa z1 extreme the ally X brought a lot of improvements to battery life and things
35:42SPEAKERlike that versus the the initial RGL a and wow I when when I got sent to the
35:53SPEAKERI will say this was sent from Asus for review purposes and the first one of the
35:59SPEAKERfirst things I did after setting up the windows side of it was to actually
36:04SPEAKERpartition it and and get bazite running on there and I'll tell you what I have
36:08SPEAKERbeen mainly using bazite on on that system and it is yeah is is glorious why
36:17SPEAKERwhy I I didn't just go with bazite and and I'm still doable booting is because
36:24SPEAKERI might run into one of the situations where it's like oh well I actually need
36:28SPEAKERwindows for this to run so it's it's like a fail-safe right and I think yeah I
36:34SPEAKERthink you set it up with two SSDs that that particular handheld has the best
36:39SPEAKERtwo SSD slots I think right no only one slot I just I got a bit really
36:44SPEAKERbit I got a four terabyte drive and you know did dual to two terabyte but like
36:51SPEAKERnow that I look back I could have easily gotten away with a two terabyte drive
36:56SPEAKERand put most of the partition on bazite because you know I was like hey you
37:01SPEAKERknow they'll be maybe like half games that I want to play on one half games I
37:04SPEAKERwant to play on the other it that has not been the case so far I easily could
37:09SPEAKERhave done with a smaller Windows install yeah so bazite for people who have a
37:16SPEAKERhandheld want to try it out you can go to bazite.gg one of the neat things
37:20SPEAKERabout it is that you actually configure it when you're setting up the the when
37:25SPEAKERyou're downloading like it asks you questions and it hands you an image
37:28SPEAKERthat's the appropriate image for the machine you want to put it on so you can
37:31SPEAKERput on a like a set top box a home theater pc you can put on a laptop you
37:35SPEAKERcan put on desktop and it asks you all the way down to like what gpu you have
37:39SPEAKERand then dumps you the right version what you what what what uh desktop
37:43SPEAKERenvironment you want to use and then it gives you the right version for the the
37:47SPEAKERyour answers to the questions uh which you burn using uh like rufus or or um
37:54SPEAKERbelina file etcher to to put on a thumb drive and then you just boot the boot
37:58SPEAKERthe thing off of it boots a handheld off of it and like 30 minutes later you're
38:02SPEAKERup and running yeah no it it's great i mean i think the thing is if if we're
38:09SPEAKERtalking about like decision trees on what people should buy i still think the
38:15SPEAKERvast majority of people should get a steam deck uh you know uh i think the
38:21SPEAKERequation is different if you already are a pc person you know you're comfortable
38:28SPEAKERbuilding computers and you're you have a huge steam library or maybe a library on
38:34SPEAKERin other launchers that you want to maintain uh and you're willing to to do
38:38SPEAKERsome fiddling stuff and also quite honestly to have more disposable income
38:42SPEAKERbecause as amazing as that r o g l i x is and i think it is the the most
38:47SPEAKERpremium handheld on the market right now in my mind are the the best premium
38:51SPEAKERhandheld market uh handheld on the market right now uh but it's still 800
38:56SPEAKERdollars that's a lot of cheddar and 800 is a lot that is a lot of money uh i
39:02SPEAKERmean that's like a should you get a playstation 4 pro or 5 pro professional
39:08SPEAKERor an r o g l i x uh i know which one i'd pick but or like you can build a
39:12SPEAKERpretty nice like like small form factor a small small desktop for 800 bucks
39:16SPEAKERthese days yeah yeah so like you you really want to know that you're into it
39:22SPEAKERso that that's why i think the the market is pretty small and if if you if
39:27SPEAKERanyone has any passing interest they're probably looking for something on on the
39:32SPEAKERcheaper end uh which i mean valve offers uh and and then that's great i mean
39:38SPEAKERthat's like i think that's part of the reason why they've been able to maintain
39:42SPEAKERthis uh this market i was gonna say the steam deck the lcd one is 400 bucks and
39:47SPEAKERi saw and that's what the i think that's what the one oh 200 256 gigabyte ssd i
39:54SPEAKERsaw them on sale the other day for 100 bucks off that i think yeah i did that
39:59SPEAKERtoo yeah and every once in a while they'll do like refurbished sales as well
40:04SPEAKERyeah so it's like it's it's a it's definitely an a less expensive way into
40:09SPEAKERthe into the ecosystem in the experience yeah they're selling refurb 512 gigabyte
40:14SPEAKERmodels of the lcd for 360 bucks right now so yeah like that's uh and i i don't
40:20SPEAKERknow much about their valves refurb program do you do you know i mean they
40:26SPEAKERthey have a they have a descriptor on their website that says hey here's what
40:29SPEAKERwe do we take it apart and we thoroughly clean and test to make sure it's all
40:32SPEAKERgood it gets complete factory reset updated the latest software and 100
40:37SPEAKERtests at one of valve's facilities they can control our inputs audio system
40:41SPEAKERscreen internals fan stuff like that and they test battery health to ensure
40:45SPEAKERthat it has the proper functionality and longevity
40:48SPEAKERum so it says they may have minor cosmetic blemishes but they provide a
40:52SPEAKERreliable high quality experience at a lower cost
40:56SPEAKERyeah that seems pretty good yeah yeah i mean i mean i i i wish
41:03SPEAKERi wish in the future there there could be a way to figure out
41:06SPEAKERand maintain costs uh for all these devices and and kind of bring them down
41:11SPEAKERmy worry is that they'll just probably continue to
41:15SPEAKERyou know try to keep packing cutting-edge features and
41:18SPEAKERand maintain the same price points that they're at now
41:21SPEAKERuh but yeah i guess we'll see to me 300 to 400 seems like a fair price
41:28SPEAKERlike an eminently fair price for this because you think about you're getting
41:32SPEAKERa screen you're getting a handy controllers getting the the guts
41:36SPEAKERthat make the games work and when you get above that it starts to
41:41SPEAKERget into luxury like luxury item tear i mean these are all luxury items i guess
41:45SPEAKERunless it's your only pc or your only pc gaming type situation
41:49SPEAKERum above that it feels like a much more of a
41:51SPEAKERluxury item and and it gets a little more hinky but
41:55SPEAKERbut also i i do have to say so i i took the ally x for a few days
42:02SPEAKERafter we put beside on it and i was really pleasantly surprised by
42:06SPEAKERthe by the quality of the experience because one of the things that they do
42:09SPEAKERthe bazite installers they they actually ask you which handheld you're putting it
42:13SPEAKERon and they do all the weird configuration
42:15SPEAKERstuff that you have to do uh to get the the controller inputs
42:19SPEAKERmapping right so that as soon as you get past that initial install process
42:23SPEAKERyou're you can use the game pads and the and all that stuff from from the git go
42:27SPEAKERwhich is which is pretty good yeah yeah i didn't have to configure
42:31SPEAKERanything about the game pads or anything like that so um
42:35SPEAKERyeah so so that's i i mean i guess that's kind of it right like they're
42:39SPEAKERthey're they seem remarkably mature for a category that's like less than
42:44SPEAKERfive years old um and and to me it's
42:49SPEAKERone of my favorite computers right like i use that more than my laptop
42:53SPEAKERi use my desktop more but my desktop is also the main computer i use for work
42:57SPEAKERand and fun and everything but i i spend a
43:00SPEAKERsurprising amount of time sitting in the living room
43:03SPEAKERwhile my wife and daughter are watching something else or doing something else
43:07SPEAKERyou know we're having shared time together doing different activities
43:11SPEAKERand it's a wonderful like the the the physical comfort of the steam deck is
43:15SPEAKERreally really good uh they they put the right depth on the
43:18SPEAKERgrips the whole thing it feels good and i i would say is highly recommended
43:23SPEAKERoh i i love it i'm like i said i'm just always nerding out and excited about it
43:28SPEAKERand thankful that i get to to cover it for
43:31SPEAKERfor work uh because yeah i just i feel like there's
43:35SPEAKERalways constant little iterations um and i one of the questions was hey you
43:42SPEAKERknow with with large companies like asus or lenovo getting into the game
43:46SPEAKERare the are the is this just going to be a flash in the pan are they going to
43:49SPEAKERcontinue with it but by all accounts i mean you know asus
43:53SPEAKERhas a a revision uh with the the ally already uh there's
43:58SPEAKERrumors of another lenovo legion go device
44:02SPEAKERum amd has already confirmed the the next series of
44:06SPEAKERof handheld gaming device specific apu lines uh so i mean it's it's something
44:12SPEAKERthat every company is like really considering
44:15SPEAKERand i don't think it's stopping anytime soon
44:17SPEAKERif anything i've seen feedback of people being like oh my god there's there's
44:21SPEAKERthere's too many to pick from uh it's almost too complicated well
44:25SPEAKERwell okay so then to add another layer of
44:28SPEAKERcomplexity there's there's interesting stuff
44:30SPEAKERhappening outside of that as well because like the thing that i like about
44:33SPEAKERit most is i have a giant pc in my office it has a
44:36SPEAKERbig giant video card it's a fast cpu all that stuff
44:39SPEAKERi love and i have good wi-fi and i love being able to hook up
44:42SPEAKERmy steam deck to the desktop pc and streaming stream games
44:46SPEAKERthrough there like i would for xbox cloud play or whatever but just from one
44:50SPEAKERroom in my house to another that experience is that experience is so
44:54SPEAKERgood that one day when we were testing some of the stuff out at the pc world
44:57SPEAKERoffices where you have good internet i have good
44:59SPEAKERinternet at home i accidentally connected to my
45:03SPEAKERsteam machine my steam pc my pc running steam at home
45:07SPEAKERand was playing hell divers at home in my living room i thought i was playing
45:10SPEAKERin the lab in the other room and it we didn't realize it for a
45:13SPEAKERshocking amount of time we just yeah you're like oh i'm just
45:18SPEAKERconnecting to a pc in the other room uh and that like like i feel like it was
45:22SPEAKERlike a little more hitchy than usual and you're like and you double checked
45:26SPEAKERyou're like oh my god i'm connected to my pc at home
45:29SPEAKERyeah but i played for a good 10 or 15 minutes and then we had a then we had a
45:32SPEAKERhiccup and i was like oh this isn't this hasn't happened before i want to happen
45:36SPEAKERum it's it's the streaming experience is shockingly good it's a little up and
45:40SPEAKERdown based on the some games are better than
45:43SPEAKERothers like um uh especially games that live
45:47SPEAKERoutside of steam you may want to use something like
45:51SPEAKERsunshine or moonlight which are the open source implementations of
45:54SPEAKERinvidious game stream uh uh kind of protocol then we used to be
45:58SPEAKERpart of the nvidia shield handhelds uh the nvidia spun it out they they
46:03SPEAKERpulled it out of their um g-force experience they pulled it out
46:06SPEAKERof the shields as far as i know and now you can download moonlight uh clients
46:10SPEAKERwhich is the the client you can download the server which is
46:13SPEAKERcalled sunshine you can run on pretty much anything at this point it's a
46:15SPEAKERreally nice remote desktop uh that live with very low latency and
46:19SPEAKERgood throughput for games um so like for example star wars outlaws
46:26SPEAKERi have that up and working in my steam ui when i launch it with the steam
46:29SPEAKERstreaming thing it's always a little janky when i run it through moonlight and
46:32SPEAKERsunshine it's flawless you wouldn't know that it's
46:35SPEAKERnot running on the device and in fact actually the way you wouldn't
46:39SPEAKERknow it's running the only way you could tell it's running on the device is
46:41SPEAKERbecause you're streaming video instead of actually rendering the game
46:44SPEAKERthe battery life goes from like two hours to like as
46:47SPEAKERlonger than my hands will hold the controller because they get cramped up
46:51SPEAKERand tired uh and i mean and other than streaming
46:55SPEAKERlocally streaming from the cloud uh i can't
46:59SPEAKERremember which game it was but it was one that
47:01SPEAKERthat was a beefier that came out the earlier this year that i was like ah
47:04SPEAKERthis is not going to run well on the handheld uh but i connected to
47:09SPEAKERg-force now and actually like streamed it to to the
47:12SPEAKERhandheld and it was a shockingly good experience as
47:15SPEAKERwell well so and that streaming experience
47:18SPEAKERmakes me wonder we talked about the steam link before
47:20SPEAKERfor folks who don't know the steam link was a little
47:23SPEAKERset-top box that was i think an arm-based set-top box
47:26SPEAKERthat ran a little thin version of linux and basically was just a streaming
47:30SPEAKERclient to stream from your desktop pc into your into your
47:32SPEAKERother tbs in the house and like it was a great experience when it worked
47:38SPEAKERright if you had a wired connection into your into your entertainment center
47:41SPEAKERyou only were running at 1080p because that's where it maxed out
47:44SPEAKERit was a it was a really really great way to play games
47:48SPEAKERon the big screen in the main room in your house
47:51SPEAKERum up until the point that you know we all got 4k tvs and
47:55SPEAKERand we moved beyond beyond those days now
47:59SPEAKERwhen you plug your steam deck into a dock and hook it into ethernet and you
48:02SPEAKERor your 811 ax or sorry wi-fi five six or seven
48:07SPEAKERprobably six is better than five realistically but
48:11SPEAKERthat experience can still be really good and
48:14SPEAKERthe the it made me wonder if we could do if we could take this these like
48:21SPEAKERhomebrew versions of the steam deck os like bazite
48:25SPEAKERand run them on set-top boxes to stream games into your living room
48:29SPEAKERwe tried it i spent time working on it the experience was great
48:33SPEAKERwith the right hardware you want to have like an rdna 2 or newer
48:36SPEAKERbox unfortunately almost all of those are pretty expensive
48:40SPEAKERyeah well expensive specifically for streaming
48:44SPEAKERuse cases yeah for the for the streaming use case i'd want something that's like
48:47SPEAKERin the 100 to 150 maybe 200 at the outside dollar
48:51SPEAKERrange and which is like an apple tv right yeah
48:54SPEAKERapple tv starts at like 150 bucks i think
48:56SPEAKERwhich seems right um unfortunately the uh at the amd ser
49:04SPEAKERthe the amd apus that are suitable for running bazite in the steam deck ui
49:08SPEAKERare typically too expensive like they come in at six seven hundred dollars for
49:12SPEAKERthose boxes which feels pretty overpriced for
49:15SPEAKERsomething that plugs into the tv and when you're running them at 4k
49:19SPEAKERresolution especially the gpu in the in the in the ap the apu's
49:24SPEAKERgraphics processing unit can't keep up with the the
49:28SPEAKERnumber of pixels that are on the screen so your native game performance is kind
49:32SPEAKERof kind of crappy unless it's like a you know a real low
49:37SPEAKERweight indie game or you know 2d games so so so 2d stuff was
49:43SPEAKERgreat like i played dead cells in hades and
49:45SPEAKEReven 2d stuff with some 3d stuff like hades was fine ultimate chicken horse
49:49SPEAKERruns great that game's pretty light um when you tried to play
49:54SPEAKERsomething like hell divers or or um really anything that was released in
49:58SPEAKERthe last year or two that was that was um uh running natively 4k it was it was
50:04SPEAKERbad even going back as far as like fallout
50:06SPEAKERthree and three in new vegas the perf wasn't there at the
50:10SPEAKERnative resolution so um i i think my hope is we've seen some
50:16SPEAKERrumors about valve doing some arm submissions into the into the different
50:19SPEAKERrepos my hope is that that means that they're
50:22SPEAKERworking on an arm set top box to to you know a steam link to link harter
50:27SPEAKERis my dream steam link to link harder i i i would buy that
50:31SPEAKERuh also there's rumors of or not rumors that they've
50:35SPEAKERofficially said that they're they're they're working on
50:38SPEAKERa steam front end or i'm sorry a steam os
50:42SPEAKERuh for these other handheld uh options um you know i i don't think we can bank
50:49SPEAKERon any sort of timeline uh because you know valve is working on
50:52SPEAKERit when it works on it uh but like i think that's another another
50:57SPEAKERway that that could shake up the market because imagine if a lot of these
51:01SPEAKERvendors who are competing like asus lenovo uh you know ineo all of
51:07SPEAKERthem don't have to worry about including
51:09SPEAKERwindows licenses or having people be like oh well i want to use this but
51:14SPEAKERi'm not really good about setting up windows
51:16SPEAKERuh well what if it can actually run steam natively
51:20SPEAKERjust like a steam deck and all you're doing is just buying different hardware
51:23SPEAKERconfigurations from the different vendors like i that
51:26SPEAKERmakes a lot of sense because valve's in it to sell games
51:29SPEAKERand have people spending more time in the steam ecosystem right
51:32SPEAKERi think getting more steam os on other handhelds makes a lot of sense in
51:38SPEAKERthat case um so yeah i mean i think that's as good
51:42SPEAKERa place as any to kind of wrap it up we tried
51:44SPEAKERthe gate on a lot of that stuff people people for people who don't know like
51:48SPEAKERthe set top box side especially with the small form factor
51:51SPEAKERkind of like visa mount capable boxes um there's a lot of cheaper intel options
51:58SPEAKERbut the gp they don't have sufficient gpus to run the the steam deck
52:02SPEAKERui um and and you can do it we did it just to see what happened the
52:08SPEAKERexperience was kind of chunky in the way that like the
52:12SPEAKERxbox one launch console's ui was chunky
52:16SPEAKERit wasn't good it wasn't a great experience so uh anyway hopefully
52:20SPEAKERhopefully we'll see some more hardware on that
52:22SPEAKERon that front soon i would i would love that personally yeah i guess this is a
52:25SPEAKERgood place to say i need to wrap it up adam do you have anything else you want
52:28SPEAKERto think we should hit before we sign off
52:30SPEAKERno no i yeah i i'm i'm once again i'm curious to see how many people actually
52:36SPEAKERare watching this space so i like i want to get over on the discord and
52:41SPEAKERand see what people think uh in this podcast episode
52:44SPEAKERum there's a bunch of sites that you recommend for people who are interested
52:47SPEAKERin the space that do i mean obviously pc world uh over on
52:51SPEAKERyoutube where you do a lot of like handheld
52:53SPEAKERfirst impressions and hands-ons and reviews stuff like that
52:57SPEAKERyeah yeah but i i don't focus on it i mean it's definitely like a passion
53:00SPEAKERproject of mine i i doing plenty of other things in the
53:04SPEAKERpc world uh but yeah there are youtubers that that
53:08SPEAKERthat uh cover this thing extensively and i love
53:10SPEAKERtheir channels like uh the fox which is spelled p-h-a-w-x
53:15SPEAKERuh and then also retro game core uh c-o-r-p-s
53:20SPEAKERuh those those guys are like my my first two stops
53:24SPEAKERuh anytime a handheld gets uh released i'm like okay well what
53:29SPEAKERwhat are they saying about it and and uh carry over at the fox
53:32SPEAKERhe's very much a hardcore uh you know a chip geek like us and so
53:38SPEAKERhe'll like get into the the actual performance and the efficiency
53:42SPEAKERand things like that compared to previous generations so very nuts and
53:45SPEAKERbolts like inner workings kind of performance
53:47SPEAKERstuff and and russ over at retro game core
53:50SPEAKERis really good about like experiential uh kind of reviews like the
53:54SPEAKERnot just the hardware itself but also software and
53:57SPEAKERand setting up and things like that so the those those are the two guys that i
54:01SPEAKERlove the most but there's plenty of people out there who cover this stuff
54:04SPEAKERcool um adam where can people find you uh if they want to find out more about
54:08SPEAKERadam patrick murray uh well i i mean i do most of my stuff
54:12SPEAKERover at pc world uh youtube.com forward slash at pc world
54:17SPEAKERuh we do have a pc hardware podcast called
54:20SPEAKERthe full nerd that you can find at youtube.com forward slash
54:24SPEAKERat the full nerd podcast uh or anywhere that you can get the
54:28SPEAKERaudio s rss feed uh and will is pretty much on it every week with me
54:33SPEAKERuh for the past while so i i am there it's it's one of the places i can be
54:37SPEAKERfound i i um for anybody who's scarred by all of
54:40SPEAKERthe intel intel instability talk this summer i
54:44SPEAKERthink we're finally past all that now i think we can finally put a bow on that
54:48SPEAKERit seems like so theoretically yeah the intel is uh
54:52SPEAKERreleased their their their what they're calling their their
54:54SPEAKERfinal microcode update uh for the instability issues and then uh
54:59SPEAKERyeah they just took the the wraps off of the the new series of processors
55:03SPEAKERit's not 15th gen they stopped at 14 they were like you know what it's done
55:08SPEAKERnow it's the the intel core ultra 200s series so first generation well this is
55:16SPEAKERa new architecture so it makes sense to start a new naming scheme right
55:20SPEAKERyeah and started at 200 you know because that's uh
55:23SPEAKERwell you don't want to start one of the first generation 100s for chuds
55:28SPEAKERlike it's like what what's okay so you're going in the ground floor of the
55:31SPEAKERof the building and then you go one floor up what's the number on that floor
55:36SPEAKERhey i was in germany recently and i noticed that they have a ground floor
55:40SPEAKERand then they have one yeah yeah so it's yeah do you write any
55:44SPEAKERpattern rosters while you're in germany that's my real question
55:47SPEAKERsome what you know what a pattern oster is i don't think i know what that is
55:51SPEAKERoh imagine an elevator that's a loop instead of just an up and down
55:55SPEAKERso you could get a little room it never stops moving
55:59SPEAKERand it's just a chain of little rooms attached to each other
56:03SPEAKERand then when what's the floor on one side is the
56:06SPEAKERis the is the ceiling on the other on the way down
56:10SPEAKERoh my god okay yeah i that's that's breaking my brain i don't i had not or
56:16SPEAKERmaybe they're on a gimbal and they rotate so that the floor is on this i
56:20SPEAKERdon't know anyway the point is if you go over the
56:22SPEAKERtop of the pattern oster you're not supposed to do that that's what i know
56:24SPEAKERthey're very popular in in parts of eastern eastern germany and uh
56:28SPEAKERi think the czech republic is the other place they still have a few of them
56:31SPEAKERi'll keep an eye out for it yeah you should seek it out next time you're next
56:35SPEAKERtime you're in germany but um uh adam patrick marie thank you so much
56:38SPEAKERfor coming by and and and doing the second podcast of the week with me
56:41SPEAKERnext week we're going to talk about the intel intel announced
56:45SPEAKERthey put out the the hardware spec they like released a bunch of specs they
56:48SPEAKERreleased like chip diagrams all that kind of stuff
56:51SPEAKERwe're going to get into that i think with gordon hopefully next week on the
56:53SPEAKERon the full nerd probably right yeah i mean hey like could could this be
56:58SPEAKERintel back uh lunar lake seemed to be pretty
57:02SPEAKERpositive uh the the process the the server side chips
57:06SPEAKERuh got a lot of praise and now we're just
57:09SPEAKERwaiting with bated breath on the the desktop processor stuff
57:13SPEAKERyeah for people who don't know it's it's an interesting time for intel because
57:17SPEAKERyou know amd went to these disaggregated chips a long time ago now when they
57:21SPEAKERfirst launched the ryzen rising yeah um where and what that means
57:25SPEAKERis they take the bits of the chips that need to be fast and can put them on a
57:29SPEAKERdifferent little chip inside the package of the cpu
57:32SPEAKERand then connect them all with these high speed interconnects so
57:35SPEAKERso it's you know in the old days when you bought a cpu is one giant piece of
57:40SPEAKERsilicon all cut out of the same wafer and now you can get like you can get
57:46SPEAKERyou can get chips with two or more cpus under the thing that are completely
57:51SPEAKERdifferent pieces of wafer uh it's kind of crazy amd had a lot of
57:55SPEAKERteething pains when they made this transition the first generation for a
57:57SPEAKERcouple of generations the risons had weird performance stuff going on and
58:01SPEAKERit was it was kind of a pain in the butt they've they've worked all that out and
58:04SPEAKERthe the i think starting with the probably
58:07SPEAKERrise in five but really even maybe one before one generation before that
58:10SPEAKERthey've been really good uh and intel is moving to this
58:13SPEAKERthe same disaggregated kind of uh uh strategery i guess yeah yeah
58:20SPEAKERit is a crazy time uh over in the pc space so
58:24SPEAKERif you want to hear more about it come on over we'll always
58:28SPEAKERalways talk with fellow pc nerds adam thanks again for coming by this is
58:32SPEAKERalways great to chat with you and i will see you on tuesday for an episode of the
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