00:00SPEAKER- Do you think CPUs are ever gonna be good again?
00:02SPEAKER- Look, a lot of CPUs are just fine.
00:05SPEAKERIt's just a relatively small number of affected CPUs
00:08SPEAKERthat is causing a heartache on the Intel side.
00:11SPEAKERAnd the AMD side, they didn't actually say
00:13SPEAKERthey found a problem.
00:14SPEAKERThey said they found some CPUs
00:15SPEAKERthat didn't go through the full spectrum of tests.
00:18SPEAKER- Didn't they say it doesn't meet their quality bar?
00:21SPEAKER- The quality bar is that they weren't fully tested
00:23SPEAKERaccording to verge.com, sorry, theverge.com.
00:28SPEAKER- Yeah, so what we are alluding to
00:31SPEAKERis that there were two statements this week
00:33SPEAKERfrom two different CPU manufacturers,
00:35SPEAKERboth Intel and AMD, released statements.
00:38SPEAKERFirst off, AMD delayed the 9000 series Zen 5 Ryzen CPUs
00:42SPEAKERby two weeks and three weeks respectively.
00:45SPEAKERI think the single die chips got delayed two weeks
00:48SPEAKERfrom the, it was supposed to be a June 31st launch,
00:51SPEAKERand now they're gonna be--
00:52SPEAKER- July 31st.
00:53SPEAKER- Sorry, July 31st to June 15th, I think,
00:56SPEAKERor June 14th, I think, August 14th, whatever.
00:59SPEAKER- It's a bit concerning that these things
01:01SPEAKERwere boxed and packaged and shipped into retail
01:03SPEAKERand then recalled back to the manufacturer.
01:06SPEAKERHow does this happen?
01:07SPEAKER- Well, okay, so it's really complicated
01:09SPEAKERmaking hardware, Brad, okay?
01:11SPEAKER- Sure.
01:12SPEAKER- No, I had the same question.
01:14SPEAKERHow do you have a product that skips some QA step?
01:17SPEAKERI wonder if they discovered some late problem
01:20SPEAKERand added an additional QA step to it
01:22SPEAKERand then they realized that they have to call these
01:24SPEAKERthe first stuff that had already shipped into the channel
01:26SPEAKERback.
01:27SPEAKER- That's exactly my assumption.
01:28SPEAKERThey may not be saying what the problem is,
01:29SPEAKERbut they have to have found something.
01:31SPEAKER- Yeah, we talked about this over on the PC World channel.
01:34SPEAKERGordon and Adam and I sat down as the embargo lifted
01:38SPEAKERand kind of talked through it.
01:39SPEAKERThe TLDR is that there's no architecture problem.
01:42SPEAKERThere's not even probably a microcode problem
01:43SPEAKERfor a two-ish week delay.
01:47SPEAKERIt is almost certainly some manufacturing, assembly,
01:52SPEAKERor testing problem and then they confirm that later on
01:55SPEAKERin the comment to The Verge.
01:57SPEAKERSo it's really not a big deal.
01:59SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah, I wonder if they do have to pull
02:01SPEAKERsome stock though.
02:02SPEAKERI wonder if some of those end up not going back out.
02:04SPEAKER- So they're pulling, the basic gist is
02:08SPEAKERif you're not buying an early chip
02:12SPEAKERfrom a shifty reseller that's breaking embargo,
02:16SPEAKERthere's no chance you're gonna have anything
02:17SPEAKER'cause they're calling back all the affected chips, right?
02:20SPEAKER- Yeah, I just meant I wonder if it'll constrain supply
02:22SPEAKERif they have to pull a non-trivial number
02:26SPEAKERout of the channel.
02:28SPEAKER- It didn't sound like from the comment
02:30SPEAKERthat Gordon got from them that they had.
02:33SPEAKERYou can watch, like I said,
02:34SPEAKERGordon and Adam and I talked about it for a while
02:36SPEAKERon the PC World channel.
02:38SPEAKERIt's in the live section.
02:39SPEAKERBut yeah, it doesn't seem like it's gonna constrain supply.
02:42SPEAKERNow, on the Intel side, it's nice
02:45SPEAKERbecause they've finally addressed
02:47SPEAKERwhat I think are now extremely long-running problems
02:50SPEAKERwith their post 12th generation high-end unlocked CPUs
02:56SPEAKERand also maybe all of the other post 12th generation CPUs.
03:01SPEAKER- How in the world did it take this long?
03:03SPEAKERI feel like this has been in the news
03:04SPEAKERfor the better part of a year at this point.
03:06SPEAKERAnd obviously it was happening before that.
03:07SPEAKER- Like people were taking it seriously
03:09SPEAKERfor like seven months now was the timeline basically.
03:12SPEAKERThe OODLE announcement was about seven months ago.
03:14SPEAKERThe OODLE, the decompression library that first was like,
03:18SPEAKERhey, if you have problems, maybe consider clocking down
03:21SPEAKERyour 13900K.
03:23SPEAKERI returned a CPU like March or April of last year.
03:27SPEAKERSo it's been going for a long time.
03:29SPEAKERAnd yeah, so the TLDR is that they have come out and said,
03:35SPEAKERhey, we have some microcode problems
03:37SPEAKERthat are resulting in the CPU getting too much voltage
03:40SPEAKERand it's causing degradation on a small number of CPUs
03:44SPEAKERbased on the testing of returns of 13th and 14th generation.
03:49SPEAKERThey didn't say, it was interesting
03:51SPEAKER'cause they didn't say 14900 and 13900Ks.
03:54SPEAKERThey said 13th and 14th generation CPUs.
03:57SPEAKERSo presumably this is also impacting other 13th
04:00SPEAKERand 14th generation CPUs probably just lower end stuff
04:03SPEAKERat a lower level because the voltages involved
04:06SPEAKERaren't as damaging.
04:07SPEAKER- Yeah, like the 9 series is the one
04:08SPEAKERthat's sucking all the juice down to try to run faster.
04:11SPEAKER- Yep, but for what it's worth,
04:13SPEAKERthe PC World offices, I have torched a 14700K now.
04:16SPEAKER- Really?
04:17SPEAKER- And I also managed to blow up a 14900KS, so.
04:21SPEAKER- You killed a 14700K, really?
04:23SPEAKER- Uh-huh.
04:24SPEAKER- Wow, this sucks.
04:26SPEAKERAll of this sucks.
04:27SPEAKER- I used an enthusiast motherboard
04:29SPEAKERthat probably had more aggressive voltages
04:33SPEAKERthan even the standard.
04:36SPEAKER- This is a wild one because in the AMD case last year,
04:39SPEAKER'cause let's not forget that AMD also had emulating CPUs
04:42SPEAKERabout a year and change ago.
04:44SPEAKER- Yeah, but you know what the difference is?
04:46SPEAKERInstead of letting it sit for seven months,
04:48SPEAKERthey just said about a month in,
04:50SPEAKERhey, we figured out what the problem is.
04:51SPEAKERHere's some BIOS updates.
04:53SPEAKERWe won't do this anymore.
04:54SPEAKERYou may have to replace your board.
04:55SPEAKER- Well, that's what I was gonna say.
04:56SPEAKERLike in that case, people blamed the motherboard makers
04:59SPEAKERmore or less rightfully so.
05:00SPEAKERLike it seems like AMD had kind of an ill-defined spec,
05:02SPEAKERbut it was the motherboard manufacturers
05:04SPEAKERthat were pushing outside of whatever
05:05SPEAKERthat vague nebulous spec was in that case.
05:09SPEAKERIn the Intel case, everybody just went
05:11SPEAKERand blamed the motherboard makers again
05:12SPEAKERbecause that's what happened last time.
05:14SPEAKERAnd now a year later, they have found like,
05:16SPEAKERoh no, it's our microcode that was the problem.
05:18SPEAKERLike how did it take this long to discover that?
05:20SPEAKER- Well, they said one of the factors, I think.
05:22SPEAKERSo the reading between the lines,
05:27SPEAKERmy assumption is that there are multiple things
05:29SPEAKERcontributing to these failures,
05:30SPEAKERmaking it difficult to isolate single causes.
05:34SPEAKERSo I think that the motherboards over-volting out of the box,
05:37SPEAKERlike the motherboards never running in spec
05:40SPEAKERand in some cases spiking up above like 1.6 volts
05:42SPEAKERfor these CPUs probably contributed, right?
05:45SPEAKERContributed to the degradation, which increased the signal,
05:48SPEAKERincreased the noise, but not the signal
05:50SPEAKERfor what the actual core problem was.
05:52SPEAKERAnd then other things happened like,
05:54SPEAKERSteve over at Gamers Nexus released a video last week,
05:58SPEAKERweek before now for listeners that talked about oxidation
06:02SPEAKERon the 1300K, 1400K parts that he'd tested,
06:06SPEAKERwhich also contributed to crashes, right?
06:09SPEAKERSo Intel had already acknowledged the oxidation thing
06:12SPEAKERthat like they said, hey, this is a warranty thing.
06:14SPEAKERWe just fix it when it comes up.
06:15SPEAKERBut this announcement seemed extremely carefully written
06:22SPEAKERto not get them to, look,
06:25SPEAKERthe lawyers did some work on this one.
06:27SPEAKERThe good thing is at the end of the statement,
06:29SPEAKERthey say we'll make things right with our customers, right?
06:33SPEAKERSo if you have an affected CPU,
06:35SPEAKERRMA it will send you a new one.
06:37SPEAKERBut as of right now,
06:39SPEAKERthe microcode update doesn't come out until August.
06:42SPEAKERSo the recommended practice right now,
06:45SPEAKERif you have a 1300K, 1400K machine especially,
06:48SPEAKERbut also probably if you have a 14.7 or 13, maybe a 13.7,
06:51SPEAKERthey seemed, haven't heard any 13.7 problems,
06:54SPEAKERis that you wanna follow the Intel recommended voltages.
06:59SPEAKERAnd then there's also some stuff that Falcon Northwest
07:01SPEAKERposted on their Twitter about what voltages to run
07:04SPEAKERon the PL1, PL0 and stuff like that.
07:06SPEAKERAnd that should keep you safe until the new microcode
07:10SPEAKERcomes out in middle of August.
07:12SPEAKER- Well, hey, the new RYZENs, the 9000 series,
07:14SPEAKERare a brand new architecture for them
07:16SPEAKERfor the first time since RYZENs were a thing.
07:17SPEAKERAnd this fall, presumably this fall,
07:19SPEAKERI don't know if they've actually announced it yet,
07:21SPEAKERbut Intel is finally moving to their chiplet tile design.
07:25SPEAKER- Yep.
07:26SPEAKER- And also going to some TSMC manufactured parts.
07:28SPEAKERPoint is a lot going on with new CPUs this year.
07:31SPEAKERSo I'm sure everything will go perfectly smoothly.
07:33SPEAKER- Yeah, it's, you know, look,
07:35SPEAKERevery time we've changed big parts of the CPU architectures,
07:37SPEAKEReverything's been fine, right?
07:38SPEAKER- Yes, right, everything just works right out of the box.
07:41SPEAKERCan we make CPUs boring again?
07:43SPEAKER- I mean, I think everybody involved would like that.
07:46SPEAKER- I sure would.
07:47SPEAKERAt this point, I'm starting to question if they ever will.
07:49SPEAKERLike, is this just the new state of affairs?
07:50SPEAKERLike, are we in a weird disruption because like DDR5
07:54SPEAKERhappened and then COVID happened and like, you know,
07:56SPEAKERjust a lot of things have been thrown into upheaval
07:59SPEAKERor are we just pushing sand so hard at this point
08:03SPEAKERthat this is just the new state of affairs for CPUs
08:05SPEAKERbecause if it's the latter, I might want out.
08:07SPEAKER- Well, so I'm not an expert on this,
08:09SPEAKERbut everybody is pointing out that all of these
08:11SPEAKERaffected parts were manufactured during COVID times, right?
08:15SPEAKERLike designed and manufactured during COVID time.
08:18SPEAKERWhich definitely probably has an impact.
08:20SPEAKERThe other thing is moving from monolithic architectures
08:24SPEAKERand single die designs to these new,
08:27SPEAKERthese new more complicated designs has had a lot of like,
08:32SPEAKERboth expected hinkiness in terms of like
08:35SPEAKERthe Windows task scheduler and stuff like that.
08:37SPEAKERAnd the thread scheduler and how it handles doling out work
08:40SPEAKERto like different, you know, CPU cores on the same die,
08:44SPEAKERbut on the same chip with different capabilities.
08:48SPEAKERBut then there's also been unexpected stuff like,
08:51SPEAKERhey, maybe these things don't age
08:52SPEAKERas well as older monolithic CPUs.
08:55SPEAKERAnd I think we'll get there.
08:59SPEAKERI remain confident that we'll get there, right?
09:01SPEAKERLike these are tractable problems,
09:02SPEAKERbut it's figuring stuff out as we go.
09:06SPEAKERAnd it doesn't feel good when you buy a $500 CPU
09:09SPEAKERand it lasts nine months.
09:10SPEAKER- It sure doesn't.
09:11SPEAKERMake CPUs boring again.
09:13SPEAKER- I agree.
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09:44SPEAKERI'm Will.
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10:16SPEAKER'cause I always think it's Q's Seeking As.
10:18SPEAKERAnyway, questions seeking answers.
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10:30SPEAKERIt's very fun.
10:32SPEAKER- Brad, we have a healthy crop of questions this month.
10:37SPEAKER- Hey, Bevy.
10:38SPEAKER- Would you like to dig in
10:39SPEAKERand dig deep into the question pile
10:42SPEAKERand pull out the first one?
10:43SPEAKER- Yeah, right into it here this month.
10:45SPEAKERAll business on this podcast.
10:47SPEAKER- Serious business.
10:48SPEAKER- Email from Toby.
10:50SPEAKER- Okay.
10:51SPEAKER- Two parts to this.
10:52SPEAKERI chanced upon this over the weekend
10:54SPEAKERand thought it was something you might appreciate.
10:56SPEAKERThe logical escalation for what can we get Doom to run on?
10:59SPEAKERHow about a non-Euclidean universe?
11:02SPEAKER- This video actually came up in my YouTube recommendations
11:04SPEAKERlike last week and I'm really digressing from Toby's email.
11:08SPEAKERI apologize here, but my YouTube management is so bad.
11:12SPEAKERFrequently, if I see something I want to watch,
11:15SPEAKERI'll just let the first minute play
11:16SPEAKERso it makes it into my history
11:17SPEAKERand then close it rather than like adding it to a playlist
11:22SPEAKERor some more sensible form of retention.
11:25SPEAKER- Oh, I just put it in the watch later.
11:26SPEAKER- Yeah, I frequently do that too,
11:28SPEAKERbut sometimes I'm like, I'll just check this out
11:30SPEAKERand then maybe I'll come back, but I never do.
11:32SPEAKER- The real problem I have
11:32SPEAKERis that my kid and I watch YouTube videos together.
11:34SPEAKERSo my stuff is like half really scary computer stuff
11:37SPEAKERand then half like chinchillas
11:39SPEAKERand guinea pigs and cat videos.
11:42SPEAKER- Oh man, I could not.
11:44SPEAKER- Japanese food.
11:45SPEAKER- I could not.
11:46SPEAKERLike I got to keep my algorithm clean, man.
11:48SPEAKER- Look, I would give anything.
11:51SPEAKERLook, if I ever run for office,
11:53SPEAKERone of my planks is going to be
11:55SPEAKEReverything that's algorithm-based recommendations
11:57SPEAKERhas to have a clean start button.
11:59SPEAKERYou need to let people nuke and pave.
12:02SPEAKER'Cause like I have so much Taylor Swift in my Apple music.
12:05SPEAKERIt's I can't take it anymore.
12:07SPEAKER- Yeah, yep, yep.
12:08SPEAKER- Anyway.
12:09SPEAKER- Okay, all right.
12:10SPEAKER- I hope you liked your answer, Toby.
12:11SPEAKERThanks for writing in, we appreciate you.
12:12SPEAKER- Yes, anyway, the title of this video is
12:14SPEAKER"Non-Euclidean Doom, What Happens to a Game
12:17SPEAKERWhen Pi Is Not 3.14159?"
12:20SPEAKER- Well, and also isn't Doom famously,
12:23SPEAKERdidn't Carmack misremember pi?
12:25SPEAKER- I don't know if you misremembered it or not,
12:28SPEAKERbut the Toby's fall up here.
12:30SPEAKERI think my favorite part of the whole thing
12:32SPEAKERis the fact that John Carmack stuck in pi
12:34SPEAKERto 10 decimal places from memory
12:36SPEAKERand then didn't check it.
12:38SPEAKERPretty on brand behavior.
12:39SPEAKER- The last digit is wrong, as I recall, yeah.
12:43SPEAKER- Is that right?
12:43SPEAKER- Yeah.
12:44SPEAKER- Okay, that's ridiculous.
12:45SPEAKER- I think that was in this video.
12:46SPEAKERIt's why he mentions it here, sorry.
12:47SPEAKERI watched this video when he sent this email
12:48SPEAKERand it's a fabulous video.
12:49SPEAKER- Yeah, I need to get back to it.
12:51SPEAKER- We'll put it in the show notes, but it's really weird.
12:54SPEAKER- Okay, Toby's question.
12:56SPEAKERI have a load of small electronics that charge through USB-C,
13:00SPEAKERone of which is a steam deck.
13:02SPEAKERFor reasons I can't justify,
13:03SPEAKERI never use that brick to charge
13:04SPEAKERthe other lower power consumption devices
13:06SPEAKERlike cell phone and headphones, et cetera,
13:08SPEAKERout of some irrational fear of it plowing too much juice
13:11SPEAKERthrough and burning them out.
13:12SPEAKERI know things just draw what they need,
13:14SPEAKERbut I just can't shake the fear.
13:16SPEAKERIs this a paranoia either of you share?
13:18SPEAKERIs there any merit to it at all?
13:19SPEAKERI sure would love to travel with just one USB-C charger.
13:22SPEAKER- Look, kids in the USB age are never gonna grow up
13:24SPEAKERwith the fear of grabbing the wrong barrel connector
13:27SPEAKERand plugging it into your most treasured piece of electronics
13:31SPEAKERand then watching the magic smoke
13:32SPEAKERthat makes the most treasured piece of electronics come out
13:35SPEAKERbecause you put too much juice in.
13:36SPEAKER- Center positive only.
13:38SPEAKER- Yeah, you can plug USB,
13:41SPEAKERassuming you're using reputable chargers
13:43SPEAKERlike the one that comes with the steam deck
13:45SPEAKERor like an Onker or a real brand, non-Aliexpress,
13:50SPEAKERnon-generic, bought at a truck stop, USB charger,
13:54SPEAKERjust plug it in, it'll be fine.
13:55SPEAKER- Probably, yeah, that's probably the case.
13:58SPEAKERI will say this goes the other direction though,
14:00SPEAKERbut I will say when I've said this before,
14:01SPEAKERwhen I've shopped for a one USB-C charger to rule them all
14:06SPEAKERin the past, Onker or what have you,
14:09SPEAKERthe steam deck is frequently the thing I see cited
14:11SPEAKERin the user reviews the most as being problematic,
14:15SPEAKERbut again, not in the it's frying things sense,
14:18SPEAKERbut in the it's not charging fast enough sense.
14:20SPEAKERLike the steam deck is apparently weird with some bricks
14:22SPEAKERthat technically can supply the wattage that it needs
14:26SPEAKERabout not pulling the full amount.
14:28SPEAKER- It's because it's a 45 watt,
14:30SPEAKERwhich I think is a weird number in the USB thing.
14:33SPEAKER- Yeah, I don't remember what the root cause was
14:35SPEAKERor if people even figured it out,
14:36SPEAKERbut the upshot was you could not on a lot of these bricks
14:39SPEAKERthat again are like more than powerful enough
14:41SPEAKERto charge a steam deck,
14:42SPEAKERyou couldn't play the steam deck while charging and have it.
14:45SPEAKER- Oh, it gives the error message?
14:47SPEAKER- Well, yeah, you just couldn't get a net positive charge
14:49SPEAKERwhile you were playing.
14:50SPEAKERIt would still drain the battery while you were playing it
14:53SPEAKERbecause it wasn't pulling enough to charge fast enough.
14:55SPEAKER- Yeah.
14:56SPEAKER- Which again is not dangerous, it's just annoying.
14:58SPEAKER- Yeah, in my experience,
15:00SPEAKERso in my experience, the steam deck works really well
15:03SPEAKERwith laptop rated USB chargers and not well at all
15:07SPEAKERwith a phone and like device rated USB chargers,
15:11SPEAKERjust because 45 watts, like the switches,
15:14SPEAKERI think 39 or 29, I can't remember.
15:16SPEAKER- I wanna say the switch is also something weird
15:18SPEAKERand non-standard.
15:19SPEAKER- So the switch is a weird one in that it only,
15:21SPEAKERthe switch brick will fall back to lower powers,
15:26SPEAKERbut the switch only charges at one wattage.
15:28SPEAKERIt won't charge, it charges at basically the lowest
15:31SPEAKERof the low or it's full speed and nothing in between.
15:34SPEAKERThis is just some subset of the USB-C power delivery
15:38SPEAKERstandard, whichever version it was
15:40SPEAKERwhen they released the switch.
15:43SPEAKERI use my steam deck charger to charge almost everything.
15:46SPEAKERI charge my iPad, I charge my phone,
15:48SPEAKERI charge PlayStation controllers with it now.
15:51SPEAKERLike it's, you're fine.
15:53SPEAKER- I've never actually seen a steam deck charger.
15:55SPEAKERI'm going to Google what that looks like right now.
15:57SPEAKER- It's a gray brick with a wire that comes out of it
16:00SPEAKERand then there's a USB-C on the end of the wire.
16:02SPEAKER- Yeah, it sure is.
16:04SPEAKER- It looks, so next to my chair in the living room,
16:07SPEAKERlike hidden behind it in a place that normal people
16:09SPEAKERwon't see unless they're crawling around behind the chair,
16:11SPEAKERthere is a extension cord that runs under the carpet
16:15SPEAKERthat has a switch plug and a steam deck plug.
16:19SPEAKERAnd the switch plug is literally just there
16:21SPEAKER'cause my switch is never charged.
16:22SPEAKERSo when I want to play Mario Kart or something,
16:24SPEAKERI have to plug it in.
16:25SPEAKER- Yeah, I've got a couple of recent MacBook USB-C chargers,
16:28SPEAKERwhich, you know, the Apple chargers
16:30SPEAKERare also extremely high quality
16:31SPEAKERin terms of what devices they'll work with
16:33SPEAKERand how clean they are and so forth.
16:34SPEAKERBut the problem there is just one port.
16:37SPEAKERLike that's the reason I actually look at the third party
16:39SPEAKERones is I want something with like two USB-C
16:42SPEAKERand a USB-A minimum or something like that, you know?
16:44SPEAKER- Wow, fancy.
16:46SPEAKER- I mean, I do enough having to work remotely these days
16:49SPEAKERthat having one thing to plug in for everything
16:51SPEAKERis very appealing.
16:53SPEAKER- So when I travel, if I'm going someplace for a while,
16:57SPEAKERI often will take like a cube power strip.
16:59SPEAKERI've talked about them before, these Anker power strips.
17:01SPEAKERThey're 45 watt or 30 watt power delivery,
17:05SPEAKERwhich is good for all the devices, but not,
17:07SPEAKERand it'll like do an overnight or slow charge
17:09SPEAKERon the steam deck or the iPad,
17:11SPEAKERbut it won't charge it while you're using it.
17:14SPEAKERWhich is the kind of the gate that I think
17:16SPEAKERyou're talking about.
17:17SPEAKER- Yeah, there are so many of these now.
17:20SPEAKERWe shouldn't digress too much here,
17:21SPEAKERbut I've tried a couple of times to buy one of these
17:24SPEAKERand between compatibility and heat issues
17:26SPEAKERon the user reviews, I just always kind of give up.
17:29SPEAKERBut Amazon is just flooded with multi-port USB-C chargers
17:33SPEAKERthese days.
17:33SPEAKER- Well, so this is why I only buy them from specific brands
17:36SPEAKERbecause they're kind of,
17:37SPEAKERthere's a lot of kind of sketchy business there.
17:39SPEAKER- Yeah, I'm with you, but even with like even the Ankers,
17:41SPEAKERyou will see enough people talking about issues
17:43SPEAKERthat I always get scared away
17:44SPEAKER'cause I don't wanna fry anything, but anyway.
17:47SPEAKER- So I have a couple of the Anker two-port USB-C bricks
17:50SPEAKERthat have one 40 watt and one lesser,
17:53SPEAKERand those have been really reliable.
17:54SPEAKERI think those are what I take
17:55SPEAKERif I'm like overnighting someplace.
17:57SPEAKER- Yeah, I think it's the ones that get into really high,
18:00SPEAKERreally high output that start getting kind of sketchy
18:02SPEAKER'cause there's like, you can get like 200 watt ones now.
18:05SPEAKER- Oh yeah.
18:06SPEAKERIt's not gonna be long before we plug in our cars with USB-C.
18:09SPEAKER- Yup, yup.
18:11SPEAKER- But seriously, everybody should watch
18:12SPEAKERthat non-Euclidean Doom video, it's really good.
18:15SPEAKER- All right, question from Hansel CJ.
18:18SPEAKERWill's mentioned multiple times that he never finds sites
18:20SPEAKERthat don't work right on Firefox.
18:22SPEAKERI also use Firefox, but find myself opening another browser
18:26SPEAKERto get a website to work nearly weekly.
18:28SPEAKERI run a pie hole, which I believe you do too.
18:31SPEAKERI also have privacy badger
18:32SPEAKERand have the Firefox privacy settings turned up pretty high.
18:35SPEAKERThat might be the difference in our experience.
18:38SPEAKERWhat additional privacy and security measures do you take?
18:41SPEAKER- So I use Firefox and a pie hole, correct.
18:45SPEAKERI also have uBlock Origin installed locally
18:47SPEAKERon the Firefox, on Firefox.
18:50SPEAKERI don't have Firefox browser privacy set to strict
18:54SPEAKER'cause that turns off all tracking content
18:59SPEAKERand finger printers and it makes almost everything break
19:02SPEAKERin my experience.
19:03SPEAKERSo my guess is that that's probably
19:05SPEAKERwhat's breaking everything.
19:06SPEAKERI find that, sorry, it's the suspected finger printers
19:11SPEAKER'cause that causes a lot of JavaScript stuff to just break.
19:16SPEAKERAnd it turns out most websites use JavaScript
19:18SPEAKERto render things these days
19:19SPEAKERand without that, things are bad.
19:23SPEAKERI don't know, I've never used privacy badger before.
19:24SPEAKERHave you Brad?
19:25SPEAKER- I have not, I don't even know exactly what that is.
19:30SPEAKERI could guess though.
19:31SPEAKER- So privacy badger is a tool made by the EFF
19:33SPEAKERto block tracking cookies.
19:34SPEAKER- Oh, it's EFF?
19:36SPEAKER- EFF, yeah.
19:37SPEAKERThe Electronic Frontier Foundation, I think.
19:39SPEAKER- Yep, that's them.
19:41SPEAKERIt also uses heuristics to block things
19:43SPEAKERthat it thinks are trackers, which could be problematic.
19:48SPEAKERI don't, I feel like Firefox's tracking blocking
19:51SPEAKERis pretty good.
19:53SPEAKERSo I wouldn't, I feel like you're double dipping.
19:56SPEAKERI feel like something like privacy badger
19:58SPEAKERis much more important on Chrome or Edge
20:00SPEAKERprobably than it is on Firefox, but I don't know for sure.
20:04SPEAKER- That's fair.
20:05SPEAKER- Yeah.
20:06SPEAKER- The more you know.
20:08SPEAKERI've had Firefox installed for like a month or two now
20:10SPEAKERand I keep thinking about switching to it and then not.
20:14SPEAKER- You should switch, it's great.
20:14SPEAKER- Yeah.
20:16SPEAKER- Let's get up to 3% market share.
20:18SPEAKER- Who has the time?
20:19SPEAKER- Let's go Firefox.
20:20SPEAKER- There's like so many things I would like to do like that
20:22SPEAKERor like reworking my home network,
20:24SPEAKERbut it's also disruptive to my workflow
20:26SPEAKERthat can't be disrupted.
20:27SPEAKERYou know what I mean?
20:28SPEAKER- Yeah, I mean, that is a real thing.
20:30SPEAKER- That is the perennial problem is redoing things
20:33SPEAKERstops you from doing things.
20:36SPEAKERYou know what I mean?
20:37SPEAKER- I cleaned up my Twitch streaming machine the other day.
20:39SPEAKER- Okay.
20:40SPEAKER- It feels real good.
20:41SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah, it always does feel good
20:42SPEAKERto get stuff like that done.
20:44SPEAKEROkay, question from Fortune.
20:46SPEAKERMy new PC case has no RGB and no glass side panel.
20:49SPEAKERIt's a black box with no lights.
20:51SPEAKERHow much performance have I sacrificed
20:53SPEAKERby using a setup like this?
20:55SPEAKER- Wow, I'm so sorry for your loss.
20:56SPEAKER- Look, man, whatever.
20:57SPEAKER- So slow.
20:58SPEAKER- Whatever performance you may be giving up,
21:00SPEAKERyou are more than making back in basic dignity.
21:04SPEAKER- Wow, right now my case looks like the Northern lights
21:08SPEAKERbecause I like the Aurora Borealis.
21:10SPEAKER- My case, I can't even, it just, it doesn't exist to me.
21:14SPEAKER- I showed somebody, we had somebody
21:17SPEAKERat the PC World office that he was looking
21:19SPEAKERfor a case for a project and I was like,
21:20SPEAKER"Oh, they wanted something that was easy to work."
21:23SPEAKERAnd I was like, "You should look at this case right here."
21:25SPEAKERAnd we pulled the other one out and they looked at it
21:27SPEAKERand they were like, "Good God, how many computers
21:29SPEAKER"do you fit in that thing?"
21:31SPEAKERLike one, the big case.
21:34SPEAKER- Which case was that?
21:35SPEAKER- Your define.
21:35SPEAKER- It was mine?
21:36SPEAKER- It was one like yours.
21:38SPEAKER- But it's just a black monolith though.
21:40SPEAKERI don't even know what it is there.
21:41SPEAKERIt's invisible.
21:42SPEAKERIt might as well be invisible.
21:43SPEAKER- Until you have to lift it up
21:43SPEAKERand then you need back surgery.
21:46SPEAKER- It's not that bad, really not that bad.
21:48SPEAKERActually, my define R6, which is dramatically smaller
21:50SPEAKERthan this is heavier than this.
21:52SPEAKER- I mean, that density is high.
21:54SPEAKER- Frankly, I think they were using sturdier metals
21:56SPEAKERin the older models because this one's got a lot more flex
21:59SPEAKERto it, which I don't necessarily love.
22:01SPEAKER- Doesn't your define R6 also have a lot
22:03SPEAKERof hard drives in it?
22:04SPEAKER- Well, yeah, but even without that, that's just a heavy case.
22:08SPEAKER- Okay.
22:08SPEAKER- I think they used to have more metal in these things.
22:11SPEAKER- Yeah, I mean, look, the thing about the RGB though,
22:14SPEAKERis just like having better skins makes you better
22:16SPEAKERat Counter Strike or Valorant.
22:19SPEAKERHaving RGB definitely improves performance in video games.
22:22SPEAKER- I think the thing that I have a harder time with,
22:24SPEAKEReven than the RGB these days, is the insistence
22:26SPEAKERof everyone to put their computers on their desks.
22:28SPEAKER- That's a youth, that's a Gen Z thing.
22:31SPEAKER- I know what it is.
22:32SPEAKERIt's a Twitch thing.
22:33SPEAKERI want to show this thing off on my stream thing.
22:35SPEAKER- I don't have enough room behind me to put mine up
22:37SPEAKERis the only problem.
22:38SPEAKER- That's the thing, like the desk is for doing stuff on.
22:41SPEAKERThat's why the computer goes on the floor.
22:43SPEAKER- Like if you want to have it in your shot,
22:44SPEAKERyou got to have the, like the wires have got to be real long.
22:47SPEAKERIt's like, I don't know, man.
22:49SPEAKERIt's a lot.
22:50SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah.
22:52SPEAKER- So I have a question for you, Brad.
22:53SPEAKER- Okay.
22:54SPEAKER- Do you remember when memory, like we were trying
22:56SPEAKERto figure out when memory got all RGB'd.
22:59SPEAKER- Memory?
23:00SPEAKER- Memory, RAM.
23:01SPEAKER- Yeah.
23:03SPEAKER- And like 2007, 2008, we were looking at old magazines.
23:06SPEAKERWe couldn't find RGB memory.
23:08SPEAKERI remember it happening before I left Maximum PC in 2010.
23:12SPEAKER- Wait, really?
23:13SPEAKERI feel like that was a,
23:14SPEAKERI thought that was a pretty recent phenomenon.
23:16SPEAKER- No, I think we still were making fun of it though
23:18SPEAKERwhen I left Maximum PC.
23:19SPEAKERI don't think it was a thing that was a desirable.
23:21SPEAKER- Or maybe what I'm thinking of is the fake RAM.
23:25SPEAKER- What do you mean the fake RAM?
23:26SPEAKER- Don't they make like fake RAM department?
23:28SPEAKERThat can't be right.
23:29SPEAKERPopulate your extra slots with.
23:31SPEAKERI thought I read that there was like dummy RAM
23:32SPEAKERyou could put in, but wouldn't that cause issues?
23:34SPEAKER- RAM Bus, you used to have,
23:37SPEAKERyou used to have to put terminators
23:38SPEAKERin slots you weren't using.
23:41SPEAKERThey were like little flat.
23:42SPEAKERThey were just cards with just a little terminators on them.
23:46SPEAKER- Wait, hang on, hang on.
23:48SPEAKERI think this is in fact a thing.
23:50SPEAKERIt absolutely is a thing.
23:51SPEAKER- Faux memory?
23:52SPEAKER- It is absolutely a thing.
23:53SPEAKERI am looking at it on Amazon right now.
23:55SPEAKERCorsair Vengeance RGB Pro Light Enhancement Kit,
23:58SPEAKERmemory not included.
24:00SPEAKER- Well, hold on, but isn't that something you put
24:01SPEAKERon top of your existing memory?
24:04SPEAKER- Maybe.
24:05SPEAKEROkay, yes, I think you're right actually.
24:07SPEAKERMaybe this is what I was thinking of.
24:09SPEAKERThis appears to be an RGB add-on for your RAM.
24:12SPEAKER- Yeah, see that looks sick, dude.
24:13SPEAKER- I'd swear though,
24:14SPEAKERbut I don't know how that would work electrically.
24:16SPEAKERLike that seems like that would cause issues
24:17SPEAKERwith memory detection to put like fake dummy DIMMs in.
24:21SPEAKER- No, you're right.
24:22SPEAKERIt says two light enhancement modules
24:23SPEAKERto fill your empty DDR4 slots
24:25SPEAKERwith the same RGB lighting effects
24:26SPEAKERof your existing Vengeance Pro memory modules.
24:29SPEAKER- There you go.
24:30SPEAKER- This seems like it would make your machine unstable.
24:32SPEAKER- This has gone too far.
24:33SPEAKERRGB has gone too far.
24:35SPEAKER- Hey, Brad, you know,
24:36SPEAKERI've never seen this box before on Amazon,
24:38SPEAKERbut it says frequently returned item.
24:40SPEAKERCheck the product details and customer reviews
24:42SPEAKERto learn more about this item.
24:43SPEAKER- Wow, you don't say.
24:45SPEAKER- Weird.
24:46SPEAKERI don't feel good about this.
24:48SPEAKER- I've said this before.
24:49SPEAKERWhat is the, okay, we both grew up in the South.
24:51SPEAKERI'm sure you're well acquainted
24:52SPEAKERwith the phrase children should be seen and not heard.
24:55SPEAKER- Yeah, my parents didn't ascribe to that though.
24:57SPEAKER- Okay, I got that one.
24:58SPEAKERI got that one from my dad on occasion,
25:00SPEAKERsomewhat tongue in cheek.
25:02SPEAKER- Yeah.
25:03SPEAKER- It wasn't enforced, let's say.
25:04SPEAKERIt was more of a warning, let's say.
25:07SPEAKER- If my dad did that,
25:08SPEAKERit would be like when we were on a long car ride
25:10SPEAKERand we were demanding burgers.
25:12SPEAKER- Right.
25:12SPEAKER- You know, like we were on a road trip
25:13SPEAKERand we were like hungry and he's like,
25:14SPEAKERwe're gonna drive two more hours
25:16SPEAKERbefore we stop and get food and gas.
25:18SPEAKER- Anyway, I need some computer RGB equivalent of that phrase.
25:24SPEAKERComputers should be used and not noticed.
25:26SPEAKER- Look, Brad, you need to just embrace the RGB.
25:29SPEAKERYou need to let me come in there
25:31SPEAKERand just bling up your business.
25:32SPEAKERYou could get a glass side for that define.
25:36SPEAKERYou could, you know,
25:38SPEAKERyou could put some subtle lights in there.
25:41SPEAKERYou know, it'd be really nice and classy.
25:42SPEAKER- Yep.
25:44SPEAKERI, you know, speaking of what we were just discussing,
25:46SPEAKERhere's a relevant question from Warbird.
25:49SPEAKERHow did you two facilitate your interest in tech
25:51SPEAKERand similar growing up in the South?
25:53SPEAKERWere you able to meet and share your hobbies with peers?
25:56SPEAKEROn text, I was raised in South Alabama
25:58SPEAKERand while we were neither particularly poor
26:00SPEAKERnor particularly rural for the region,
26:02SPEAKERhaving an interest in computers wasn't really viable
26:05SPEAKERfrom an accessibility or frequently a social standpoint.
26:10SPEAKER- Yeah, I had just broken through into the normies
26:14SPEAKERin high school at the time I discovered computers.
26:16SPEAKERAnd so if I wanted to go talk to the computer people,
26:19SPEAKERI had to be real slick about it and like sneak off
26:21SPEAKERand like meet behind the field house on the football field.
26:27SPEAKERAnd, you know, that's when I, the one kid in my high school
26:31SPEAKERthat lived in the, in the, in the like,
26:35SPEAKERbasically the only message boards, not message boards.
26:41SPEAKER- BBS's?
26:42SPEAKER- BBS's were in Bluntville,
26:44SPEAKERwhich was a long distance call for everybody
26:46SPEAKERwho lived in Bristol, the town that I grew up in.
26:50SPEAKERSo the one kid who lived in Bluntville
26:52SPEAKERand had a computer and a modem
26:54SPEAKERwas basically a god amongst us.
26:55SPEAKER'Cause he would come in with like, you would bring him
26:58SPEAKERblank floppy disks and he'd just bring you software.
27:01SPEAKERAnd, and so you'd meet him someplace seedy
27:04SPEAKERwhere normal people, where normies wouldn't see you.
27:06SPEAKERAnd then you'd hide those floppy disks
27:07SPEAKERin your backpack real deep
27:09SPEAKERso that they wouldn't accidentally spill out.
27:10SPEAKERNow you as a huge nerd.
27:12SPEAKER- Did you wear a trench coat?
27:14SPEAKER- No, this was before trench coats.
27:16SPEAKER- Imagining a trench coat lined with floppy disks
27:18SPEAKERon the inside?
27:19SPEAKER- Look, remember there was like a two year period
27:21SPEAKERwhen trench coats were okay.
27:22SPEAKERHe wore a trench, he was absolutely a trench coat guy.
27:25SPEAKERLucas was a trench coat guy.
27:27SPEAKER- Sure, sure.
27:27SPEAKER- Shout out to Lucas, by the way.
27:29SPEAKER- Yes, I mean, I was into games from the time
27:31SPEAKERI touched on Atari 2600 at somewhere around the age of four.
27:34SPEAKERLike that's kind of all I cared about,
27:36SPEAKERbut games were accessible no matter where you live, right?
27:39SPEAKERLike, you know, we had department stores, right?
27:43SPEAKERLike we were not that rural.
27:46SPEAKER- Yeah, like Hills had a pretty good Nintendo
27:49SPEAKERand Sega system set up.
27:51SPEAKER- Yes, like the local roses was the place we went
27:54SPEAKERto look at video games for the longest time.
27:56SPEAKER- Yeah, but we never had like turbo graphics
27:58SPEAKERor 3DO or anything.
27:58SPEAKERLike we never had access to anything like that.
28:00SPEAKERWe definitely didn't have access to PC games
28:03SPEAKERuntil after I had already left.
28:04SPEAKER- Yeah, I don't know how,
28:05SPEAKERI think we've talked about it before.
28:06SPEAKERI don't know how much the regional department store
28:08SPEAKERwas a Southern phenomenon versus a national one.
28:10SPEAKER- I think like, you mean like the Belks and the-
28:14SPEAKER- Well, Belks is national rights,
28:16SPEAKERor I know JC Penney is national, but-
28:18SPEAKER- JC Penney is national, Sears was national.
28:20SPEAKER- Belks might actually be regional.
28:22SPEAKERI'm thinking more of the standalone-
28:23SPEAKER- Oh, like the Hills and the roses and all that.
28:25SPEAKER- Roses, Brindles, I'm trying to think of some other-
28:28SPEAKER- Service merchandise, did you have them?
28:30SPEAKER- We did not have that, but-
28:31SPEAKER- Oh, service merchandise was great.
28:33SPEAKER- The reason I ask is those department stores
28:36SPEAKERin my experience were very good
28:38SPEAKERabout having game consoles set up to play.
28:41SPEAKER- Yeah.
28:42SPEAKER- Like all the ones I can think of,
28:43SPEAKERlike I just remember a lot of like demo kiosks,
28:45SPEAKERa little 13 inch TV and a console just sitting there
28:47SPEAKERthat you could actually play a game on
28:49SPEAKERwhile your parents were shopping.
28:50SPEAKER- I think that was a nationwide marketing phenomenon
28:53SPEAKERbecause like you think about it,
28:55SPEAKERI have to imagine that they had a demo,
28:58SPEAKERlike Nintendo said,
28:59SPEAKER"Hey, here's the recommended way to display this."
29:01SPEAKERAnd then they would say, "Here's the game this month."
29:03SPEAKERAnd they'd send them a free,
29:05SPEAKERI wonder if they sent them retail games for that,
29:07SPEAKERor if they were just some weird version of a game.
29:10SPEAKER- I would guess retail.
29:11SPEAKER- Yeah, 'cause I guess those cartridges would be out
29:14SPEAKERand we'd be able to download ROMs and stuff by now.
29:16SPEAKER- Yes, like those would be in the collecting scene
29:18SPEAKERif there were like department store versions of games.
29:21SPEAKER- Yeah, but like Hills always had demo stations set up
29:25SPEAKERand that was like that was what I would do
29:27SPEAKERwhile mom was off buying shoes or clothes or something.
29:31SPEAKER- Right, anyway, I didn't get into computers
29:33SPEAKERuntil like late '93
29:35SPEAKERwas when we first got our first family computer.
29:38SPEAKERAnd by then it was certainly computers and like online stuff
29:41SPEAKERwere not ubiquitous at that point,
29:43SPEAKERbut like magazines were out there,
29:45SPEAKERlike we got a modem like a year after we got the computer
29:48SPEAKERand then I got onto BBSs.
29:49SPEAKERSo like, and I mean,
29:51SPEAKERI certainly didn't live in the biggest town ever,
29:52SPEAKERbut like we weirdly had kind of a lot of BBSs
29:55SPEAKERfor the size of the town.
29:56SPEAKERWe have like three different local call BBSs.
30:00SPEAKER- Was there a college near you?
30:02SPEAKER- Kind of, but not in the local calling area.
30:05SPEAKER- Okay, so I think this is the difference between '93
30:08SPEAKERand like '91, '92, which is when,
30:12SPEAKERlike we had an IBM XT that was kind of passed down
30:15SPEAKERfrom family members that I played.
30:18SPEAKERIt was like, I think we had a Hercules monochrome display
30:21SPEAKERthat I played like M1A1 tank platoon and stuff like that on.
30:26SPEAKERThe, that was the one that I would trade disks for
30:29SPEAKERwhen I was like a sophomore in high school probably.
30:32SPEAKERThe Wang that I got toward the end of high school,
30:36SPEAKERthe Wang 386 that had windows on it
30:39SPEAKERwas much more accessible.
30:41SPEAKERAnd that, around then is when computer shows started.
30:44SPEAKERSo we started having like a computer show would come
30:48SPEAKERto the local VA and they would set up,
30:52SPEAKERlike there would be people there with folding tables
30:55SPEAKERand trays full of software and Ziplocs.
30:58SPEAKERAnd it would be like a mixture of people
31:01SPEAKERwho were resellers of software who would buy software
31:03SPEAKERfrom other people and then resell it to people
31:04SPEAKERon the kind of computer show circuit,
31:06SPEAKERor also the people like the publishers
31:09SPEAKERwould show up there sometimes.
31:10SPEAKERSo it would be like, hey, here's a Ziploc
31:12SPEAKERwith three RPGs in it from some publisher
31:16SPEAKERyou probably have never heard of.
31:16SPEAKEROr maybe, hell, who knows?
31:18SPEAKERIt could have been Activision at this point for all I know.
31:20SPEAKERThe other thing that happened around that time was,
31:25SPEAKERwell, actually, and probably as a result of going
31:27SPEAKERto those computer stores is I learned
31:28SPEAKERabout the local screwdriver shops.
31:30SPEAKERSo like Shields Electronics was a ham radio place,
31:33SPEAKERa ham radio and electronic supply store
31:35SPEAKERthat also expanded into PCs in that early '90s time
31:40SPEAKERwhen working on ATPCs was a real business.
31:43SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah, I think I've said this before,
31:45SPEAKERbut yes, the local computer store where you got your stuff
31:48SPEAKERwas absolutely a vector for learning about things
31:50SPEAKERthat were cool before the internet was a thing.
31:53SPEAKERLike I'm pretty sure I've said before
31:55SPEAKERwhen we got our Pentium 75, the guy who sold it to us
31:58SPEAKERshowed me how to overclock it
31:59SPEAKERbefore we took it out of the store.
32:01SPEAKERHe showed me what's a jumper to change
32:02SPEAKERto make it into a Pentium 90 or 100.
32:05SPEAKER- So we bought the Wang at Walmart, I think.
32:08SPEAKERIt was on a New Year's sale.
32:10SPEAKERI did not get, the Walmart guy did not show me
32:12SPEAKERhow to overclock the 386.
32:13SPEAKER- And he was just selling you short.
32:16SPEAKER- But like I learned about Boot Magazine
32:18SPEAKERfrom the screwdriver shop in Knoxville.
32:19SPEAKERLike my guy at the screwdriver shop there was like,
32:21SPEAKERhey, have you seen this new magazine?
32:22SPEAKERYou should check it out, it's really cool.
32:24SPEAKERAnd like that changed my life, so.
32:26SPEAKER- I think the lesson is if you're passionate enough
32:28SPEAKERabout something, you will find ways to access it
32:30SPEAKERin some way or other, you know.
32:32SPEAKER- Yeah, it's much easier now with the internet though,
32:33SPEAKERit turns out. - Yeah, of course, of course.
32:36SPEAKERI've had an idea as we've been discussing this.
32:38SPEAKER- Yes. - A bit tangential to this.
32:40SPEAKEROkay, there are a bunch of old hard drives
32:42SPEAKERat my parents' house pulled from our first series
32:46SPEAKERof computers through the first like 10 years of computers.
32:50SPEAKER- Yeah. - The hardware is long gone,
32:51SPEAKERwhich is one of the great regrets of my life.
32:53SPEAKERLike I could go back six or seven years ago
32:56SPEAKERwhen my mom called me up and was just like,
32:57SPEAKERhey, can we just e-waste all these old computers
32:59SPEAKERthat are down here in the basement?
33:00SPEAKERAnd I was like, yeah, just take the hard drives
33:01SPEAKERout of them first. - Yeah.
33:03SPEAKER- I would give anything if I could go back
33:04SPEAKERand smack myself in the face because retro computing
33:07SPEAKERbecame a thing right after that.
33:08SPEAKERAnd I would give anything to be able to just go look
33:10SPEAKERat those things and be like, oh, that's how I overclocked
33:12SPEAKERthat Pentium 75 or like, oh, this is what kind
33:14SPEAKERof display adapter was in that 486 DLC, you know?
33:18SPEAKER- Oh, yeah, sure. - As a historical document.
33:20SPEAKERAnyway, whatever, I still have the hard drives.
33:23SPEAKERHere's the thought I have had.
33:24SPEAKERI've wanted to try to spin those things up for years
33:26SPEAKERto get whatever files are on them off.
33:28SPEAKER- And they're probably like 25, 50 meg hard drives, right?
33:31SPEAKER- I believe our first hard drive in that 486
33:33SPEAKERwas a 250 megabyte hard drive. - Yeah.
33:36SPEAKER- The biggest one is probably like four gigabytes
33:38SPEAKERor something from several years later.
33:39SPEAKERAnyway, I've always wanted to spin those things up
33:41SPEAKERand get the files off, which I'm kind of nervous about
33:44SPEAKER'cause they're so old and I don't know if they'll actually
33:45SPEAKERbe able to spin up or not.
33:47SPEAKERHere's the thing I thought of though.
33:49SPEAKERI was just gonna get like whatever documents
33:50SPEAKERand like images and whatever is on there off,
33:52SPEAKERlike personal stuff.
33:54SPEAKERCan I boot those drives?
33:55SPEAKERCan I image that original 486 drive,
34:00SPEAKERwhich is a DOS 622 Windows 3.1 install?
34:03SPEAKERIf I'm not mistaken, I don't think we ever tried
34:05SPEAKERto put Windows 95 on that.
34:07SPEAKERCan I like image that drive and try to boot it
34:08SPEAKERwith something like 86 box?
34:10SPEAKER- I would think so.
34:11SPEAKER- There's got to be a way to do that, right?
34:12SPEAKERThere's got to be a way to take like an existing
34:14SPEAKERhard drive image and feed it into one of these PC emulators
34:17SPEAKERand just boot it, right?
34:18SPEAKER- Probably it would just boot with a VM.
34:21SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah.
34:22SPEAKER- 'Cause you could set the VM to have ancient hardware
34:24SPEAKERand I mean, you probably wouldn't have sound
34:26SPEAKERand stuff like that, but it would probably boot.
34:28SPEAKER- I guess there's gotta be a way to do that.
34:30SPEAKERLike my only experience with creating VMs
34:32SPEAKERis that you start with install media, right?
34:34SPEAKERLike you take like the installer disk
34:36SPEAKERand then install a fresh copy of an operating system.
34:39SPEAKER- But you can port an existing physical machine over.
34:42SPEAKERIt's part of the value prop for early VM use.
34:45SPEAKER- Oh my God, I have to do this.
34:47SPEAKER- I wonder, I kind of wonder what the oldest OS
34:50SPEAKERyou can boot on like a Ryzen 7800 is.
34:56SPEAKER- I don't know.
34:58SPEAKER- I wonder, could you do DOS 5.1?
35:00SPEAKER- I mean, a lot of it, well 6.1 or 6.2 is probably,
35:04SPEAKERyou probably want to do the most,
35:06SPEAKERwell, but DOS like would not be that driver dependent.
35:08SPEAKERLike that's really the...
35:10SPEAKER- But it has kernel stuff, right?
35:12SPEAKER- The hurdle really in a lot of cases
35:13SPEAKERwould be the driver support, right?
35:15SPEAKERLike if you'd like motherboard ships at,
35:17SPEAKERdisplay it after whatever, like the old operating system
35:21SPEAKERjust doesn't know how to talk to the new hardware.
35:22SPEAKERBut in terms of like BIOS and UEFI stuff,
35:25SPEAKERI'm actually not sure.
35:26SPEAKER- Well, there's secure boot problems probably, right?
35:28SPEAKER- Yeah, I don't know.
35:29SPEAKERYouTube recommendations are all over the place.
35:30SPEAKERI was actually just watching a video the other day
35:32SPEAKERabout modern CPU's that apparently all modern CPU's
35:36SPEAKERstill when they are first supplied power,
35:39SPEAKERthey still start up in 16-bit real mode.
35:42SPEAKER- Really?
35:43SPEAKER- Before they hand off to like UEFI and current.
35:46SPEAKERSo I don't know how much backwards compatibility,
35:49SPEAKERbut I think the newest computers don't have
35:52SPEAKERlike traditional BIOS mode anymore, right?
35:54SPEAKER- I don't believe so, but I don't know.
35:56SPEAKER- I don't know how much like emulation can take place there
35:58SPEAKERor like we're way out of our depth here,
36:00SPEAKERbut I don't think you could boot
36:02SPEAKERa 30-year-old operating system on a current computer,
36:05SPEAKERbut I could be wrong.
36:06SPEAKER- I'm gonna add this to the list of ideas
36:08SPEAKERfor PC World videos.
36:09SPEAKER- Yeah, that sounds fun.
36:11SPEAKERIf anybody has any info that they'd like to hit me with
36:13SPEAKERabout turning an old hard drive image
36:15SPEAKERinto a virtual machine, I would love to hear it though,
36:17SPEAKER'cause that sounds very fun.
36:19SPEAKERAnyway, that's probably enough prattle about that.
36:22SPEAKER- Yep.
36:24SPEAKER- Here is a question from Tri.
36:26SPEAKERIn a few months, I'm taking a long haul flight
36:28SPEAKERfor a holiday, which will be about 13 hours.
36:32SPEAKERYou have any tips and or must haves for flights this long?
36:35SPEAKER- And I just wear a mask and try not to breathe too much.
36:39SPEAKER- Yeah, I also mask on airplanes,
36:41SPEAKERalthough I was looking recently
36:43SPEAKERinto what the air circulation is like on,
36:47SPEAKERactually-
36:48SPEAKER- They're pretty good.
36:49SPEAKER- This is something I did not realize.
36:50SPEAKERThis, I mean, I probably should have realized this before.
36:55SPEAKERI didn't realize that modern airplanes
36:56SPEAKERor maybe all airplanes collect air from outside
36:59SPEAKERand condense it and pipe it into the airplane.
37:02SPEAKER- Yeah.
37:03SPEAKER- Some kind of like air exchanger situation.
37:06SPEAKER- Yeah, but I mean, look, the people who,
37:09SPEAKERthe gate agents who have to open the door from the outside
37:12SPEAKERstill trick new gate agents by telling them
37:14SPEAKERto get up right up close to the door when they open it
37:16SPEAKERso they get hit with the fart smell.
37:18SPEAKER- Oh no.
37:18SPEAKER- As soon as they crack the seal.
37:20SPEAKER- Oh no.
37:20SPEAKER- Yeah, so it's still condensing other things too
37:24SPEAKERis all I'm saying.
37:25SPEAKER- That's not great, that's not great.
37:26SPEAKERThe thing I was reading about though is, you know,
37:28SPEAKERthe air density obviously is very low at that altitude.
37:30SPEAKER- Yeah.
37:31SPEAKER- But they're literally sort of just like scooping
37:32SPEAKERwhat air there is and pressurizing it
37:35SPEAKERor condensing it before-
37:36SPEAKER- Yeah, it doesn't, well, and it's only,
37:39SPEAKERI think, what is it?
37:40SPEAKERAirliners are pressurized to like 8,000 feet or something.
37:43SPEAKERSo it's not like-
37:44SPEAKER- It's pretty low, yeah.
37:45SPEAKER- Yeah, well, pretty high.
37:48SPEAKER- Oh, about-
37:49SPEAKER- Compared to sea level.
37:50SPEAKER- Pretty low density is what I mean.
37:51SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah, yeah, already that is.
37:53SPEAKER- Yeah.
37:55SPEAKER- So like I take a Steam Deck and an iPad
37:58SPEAKERand some good headphones,
37:59SPEAKERsomething you could wear that's comfortable for a long time.
38:01SPEAKER- Yeah, my recommendation is to update
38:03SPEAKERand charge every device you own
38:05SPEAKERand bring all of them with you
38:05SPEAKERand then not use 90% of them.
38:07SPEAKER- Yeah, that's always a good, that's a classic move.
38:10SPEAKER- That's kind of what I ended up doing.
38:12SPEAKER- I usually, I make sure I have a couple of books
38:15SPEAKERand then I make sure I have, I often,
38:18SPEAKERespecially in the days of the AirPods,
38:20SPEAKERI'll take a pair of AirPods
38:21SPEAKERand I'll also take a pair of on-ear headphones
38:23SPEAKER'cause I have a hard time wearing AirPods
38:24SPEAKERfor like two, three hours is no problem,
38:27SPEAKERbut 10 hours is a lot.
38:29SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah, I mean, to answer the question seriously,
38:31SPEAKERnoise canceling headphones are a must for me.
38:35SPEAKER- They are, it sounds dopey,
38:37SPEAKERbut the noise canceling headphones
38:38SPEAKERare a significant life improvement.
38:40SPEAKER- Oh, it's huge.
38:41SPEAKER- They remove the noise of the airplane,
38:42SPEAKERwhich turns out is stressful.
38:44SPEAKER- Yes, it's very nice
38:45SPEAKERto not have to listen to that for 13 hours.
38:47SPEAKERI'd say look up the airliner flying
38:50SPEAKERand see what they offer in flight.
38:52SPEAKER- Yeah.
38:53SPEAKER- Like I've flown a lot of American the last few years
38:56SPEAKERand they have started just giving you free stuff to watch,
38:59SPEAKERbut on your own device,
39:00SPEAKERwhich you're gonna have a device with you.
39:02SPEAKERLike I see a lot of people watching stuff on their phones
39:04SPEAKERand you definitely will have a phone with you,
39:05SPEAKERso that's not a thing,
39:06SPEAKERbut you might wanna bring a tablet if you have one
39:08SPEAKERbecause that's what I use.
39:11SPEAKERLike they've got, I end up,
39:13SPEAKERlike when I fly cross country on American,
39:15SPEAKERI basically ended up watching like two documentaries
39:17SPEAKERand that's kind of how I fill the time on my iPad,
39:20SPEAKERwhich is pretty nice.
39:22SPEAKER- The thing I'll say is if you don't take a tablet,
39:24SPEAKERtake something with a stand
39:26SPEAKER'cause holding your phone for four hours
39:28SPEAKERwhile you're watching a movie or whatever sucks.
39:32SPEAKER- So I can't speak for every airline,
39:34SPEAKERbut American now on every flight,
39:35SPEAKERevery plane I've been on for the last three years
39:37SPEAKERhas got a fold down stand
39:39SPEAKERfrom the back of the headrest in front of it.
39:40SPEAKER- Oh, that's nice.
39:41SPEAKER- That'll hold a tablet or a phone.
39:43SPEAKER- See when we flew Alaska cross country last time
39:46SPEAKERand they did not have that.
39:48SPEAKERSo I ended up using my iPad with the keyboard
39:50SPEAKERand just propped it up.
39:51SPEAKER- Yeah.
39:52SPEAKER- Yeah.
39:55SPEAKERSteam Deck is good.
39:56SPEAKERRemember your seats have power
39:58SPEAKERon most newer airplanes now.
40:00SPEAKER- I wonder how many airplanes are even in service
40:02SPEAKERthat don't have power at the seat at this point.
40:04SPEAKER- Well, it depends on whether you fly Southwest or not.
40:06SPEAKER- Yeah, sure.
40:07SPEAKER- But often it's between,
40:10SPEAKERit's often it's low.
40:11SPEAKERYou think it would be in the seat
40:12SPEAKERback in front of you or something,
40:13SPEAKERbut usually it's between like you
40:15SPEAKERand the person next to you in the middle.
40:17SPEAKERAnd the thing you should know
40:18SPEAKERis that on every plane I've ever been on,
40:19SPEAKERunless you're in first class or business class,
40:22SPEAKERthose power outlets turn on and off over like,
40:26SPEAKERso you'll have them on for like a third of the time.
40:28SPEAKERAnd then they turn on different seats at different times.
40:31SPEAKERSo if your power keeps flickering on and off,
40:33SPEAKERit's nothing you're doing wrong.
40:34SPEAKERIt's just the way the plane works.
40:35SPEAKER- Yeah.
40:38SPEAKERDefectus, this is an interesting topic.
40:41SPEAKERI just saw that Switzerland made a decision
40:43SPEAKERthat it's now mandatory for all software
40:45SPEAKERused in the public sector to be open source.
40:48SPEAKERHow do you think this would be implemented
40:49SPEAKERand is it a good idea?
40:51SPEAKERHe provided a link here.
40:53SPEAKERIt's the federal law on the use of electronic means
40:57SPEAKERfor the fulfillment of governmental tasks.
40:59SPEAKER- And then the abbreviation is MBAG,
41:02SPEAKERwhich I assume is the French or German acronym
41:05SPEAKERfor that same phrase.
41:06SPEAKER- Yeah, it would be German and Switzerland.
41:08SPEAKER- It can be both, right?
41:09SPEAKER- Ah, I don't think.
41:10SPEAKER- I don't know what the official is.
41:11SPEAKER- German, German is the language of Switzerland.
41:15SPEAKER- So this wasn't what I expected it to be.
41:18SPEAKERWe've talked about this in the past,
41:19SPEAKERbut when we were doing the FOSPOD,
41:21SPEAKERwe talked to some folks about a potential episode
41:24SPEAKERthat fell through about the desire of non-US countries
41:32SPEAKERto not build their software infrastructure
41:35SPEAKERon US-owned software, right?
41:39SPEAKERSo--
41:40SPEAKER- Was it US-owned or was it just closed?
41:43SPEAKER- Both, but it was primarily that they didn't want
41:45SPEAKERto build stuff on Microsoft and Google software
41:47SPEAKER'cause they're US companies.
41:49SPEAKERSo the impetus was to build an open source framework
41:53SPEAKERfor governmental entities that didn't,
41:57SPEAKERthat existed outside of the Google
41:59SPEAKERand Microsoft frameworks mostly.
42:03SPEAKERThis is kind of that, but this law specifically
42:07SPEAKERis about anything that is developed by or for
42:12SPEAKERspecifically the public bodies should be open source
42:15SPEAKERunless there's specific reasons not to,
42:17SPEAKERlike rights issues or security concerns.
42:22SPEAKERAnd that you have to disclose,
42:26SPEAKERnot only did the public bodies have to disclose
42:28SPEAKERthe source code that they paid to have created,
42:31SPEAKERbut also they have to offer services related
42:33SPEAKERto support integration and security for that code,
42:37SPEAKERwhich is really interesting at cost, basically,
42:39SPEAKERcost-covering remuneration.
42:43SPEAKERAnd so like there's a whole bunch of stuff
42:46SPEAKERabout not maintaining competitive balance
42:48SPEAKERwith traditional software providers and all that.
42:51SPEAKERIt's really cool.
42:53SPEAKERI think this is a good idea and I like it.
42:55SPEAKER- Yeah.
42:57SPEAKER- Shout-outs to the Swiss.
42:59SPEAKER- Yes, I don't really have a good read
43:02SPEAKERon how our government approaches stuff like this.
43:04SPEAKERI mean, it seems like certainly some
43:07SPEAKERof the three-letter agencies are very invested
43:09SPEAKERin open source.
43:11SPEAKERI don't know why this is my go-to example.
43:12SPEAKERLike SE Linux came out of the government is my understanding.
43:15SPEAKERI believe it was developed by the NSA, I think is which?
43:19SPEAKER- That seems like a good reason to use it.
43:21SPEAKER- Hang on, I wanna, yes.
43:22SPEAKERYes, it was the NSA that developed SE Linux
43:25SPEAKERor looks like Red Hat also, maybe.
43:27SPEAKERMaybe they worked together on that.
43:28SPEAKERBut anyway, anyway, like obviously like certain parts
43:30SPEAKERof the American security state care quite a bit
43:34SPEAKERabout open source, but then you also see,
43:36SPEAKERlike I think the government has like massive
43:38SPEAKERMicrosoft contracts at the same time across other domains.
43:41SPEAKER- Well, I mean, it makes sense.
43:42SPEAKERAnd also they spend a lot of money
43:44SPEAKERon closed cloud implementations of stuff.
43:47SPEAKERLike there's private versions of AWS and Azure
43:50SPEAKERthat the US government taps into.
43:52SPEAKERSo like I think the OSS implementation
43:57SPEAKERwas about not necessarily relying on US cloud companies
44:01SPEAKERto run your business, right?
44:03SPEAKERAnd thus hosting your private governmental stuff
44:06SPEAKERin cloud servers in the US, right?
44:09SPEAKERThat I understand why you would be concerned about that.
44:12SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah, pretty good.
44:13SPEAKER- The other part of it is the open source.
44:17SPEAKERAnd like, I think especially in Latin America,
44:20SPEAKERpeople were interested in building open source alternatives
44:22SPEAKERto this so that they, so that, you know,
44:24SPEAKER'cause the rising tide lifts all the ships is the idea.
44:27SPEAKER- Yep, yep.
44:29SPEAKERThere's another question from Fortune.
44:31SPEAKERRecently I installed an internal card reader
44:33SPEAKERin a friend's PC tower.
44:35SPEAKERI was surprised to see that these peripherals
44:37SPEAKERhave moved with the times and some have features
44:39SPEAKERlike USB-C ports, but almost every unit on the market
44:43SPEAKERis made in the old three and a half inch
44:44SPEAKERfloppy drive form factor.
44:46SPEAKERSince new cases have not had a floppy drive bay
44:48SPEAKERfor a very long time, is this just a ploy
44:51SPEAKERto force customers to also have to buy
44:53SPEAKERa five and a quarter inch optical bay adapter
44:55SPEAKERfor the card reader?
44:56SPEAKEROr is there a genuine reason a modern peripheral
44:58SPEAKERis made in this obsolete form factor?
45:01SPEAKER- I went and looked, I was really surprised
45:03SPEAKER'cause I did not expect to see,
45:05SPEAKERI expected there would be, first off,
45:07SPEAKERhaving five and a quarter inch bays
45:08SPEAKERis increasingly getting unusual on modern case designs.
45:11SPEAKER- Yes, like I had to kind of stretch
45:13SPEAKERto find a case with that last year.
45:15SPEAKER- I've been using external USB card readers
45:19SPEAKERsince the early tested days now, since USB three, basically.
45:25SPEAKERI don't know, I don't know why they would have
45:27SPEAKERthese B 3.5 inch floppy drives, it's a weird shape.
45:30SPEAKER- Yeah, my best guess is that it's just
45:32SPEAKERlowest common denominator.
45:35SPEAKERYou can guarantee that it'll fit in a case
45:39SPEAKERwith only one of those bays if such a thing exists
45:41SPEAKERor you can always get an adapter up to five and a quarter
45:43SPEAKERif necessary, it's just the easiest way
45:46SPEAKERto service the whole market of people
45:48SPEAKERwho would wanna put these in their tower.
45:50SPEAKER- I think there was a period of time in the early 2000s
45:52SPEAKERwhen there were so many three and a quarter,
45:54SPEAKERthree and a half slash five and a quarter inch devices
45:58SPEAKERthat we, I can't remember if we actually did it
46:00SPEAKERor if we just joked about doing it,
46:02SPEAKERbut we were gonna do a big giant tower
46:04SPEAKERwith as many of those as we could
46:06SPEAKERand it was like, you could get audio visualizers,
46:09SPEAKERyou'd hook in between your sound in and out
46:12SPEAKERso they would do fancy car head unit bouncing waves.
46:17SPEAKER- I'm sure that's gonna do great things
46:18SPEAKERfor the cleanliness of your audio output.
46:20SPEAKER- It's not about the cleanliness always.
46:22SPEAKERThere were light and fan controllers,
46:24SPEAKERthere were water pump measures,
46:26SPEAKERthere was a whole ecosystem around water cooling stuff
46:30SPEAKERthat you put in that front bay,
46:32SPEAKERincluding reservoirs and stuff like that
46:34SPEAKERso you could pull them out a little bit
46:35SPEAKERand fill them and stuff like that.
46:37SPEAKERThen there were-
46:38SPEAKER- Audio I/O panels as well.
46:40SPEAKER- Oh yeah, fan controllers, card readers,
46:45SPEAKERUSB, like there was a company that made USB hubs
46:48SPEAKERthat went in the five and a quarter inch bay
46:49SPEAKERthat you'd connect to one of the internal headers
46:51SPEAKERso you'd have like six USB ports
46:52SPEAKERon the front of your computer.
46:54SPEAKERThis is weird.
46:55SPEAKERIt's a weird time, man.
46:55SPEAKER- Yeah, computers were weird in that time,
46:57SPEAKERbut might argue they still are.
46:59SPEAKER- Computers still are weird, yeah.
47:00SPEAKER- Yeah.
47:01SPEAKER- Question from Squibworth, "Corporate email.
47:04SPEAKERWhen's the last time such a ubiquitous end user technology
47:07SPEAKERwas replaced so quickly?
47:09SPEAKERThe transition from email to Slack or similar services
47:12SPEAKERhas seemingly happened overnight
47:13SPEAKERor I've just been slow to notice.
47:16SPEAKERAt my job today, someone tried to start a conversation
47:18SPEAKERabout the product we work on via email.
47:21SPEAKERSo A, I was surprised I even noticed it
47:23SPEAKERand B, I couldn't remember the last time anybody did that.
47:25SPEAKERSeemingly the only things we use email for now
47:27SPEAKERare meeting invites, automated messages,
47:29SPEAKERrandom statuses, and big internal announcements.
47:33SPEAKERAnd of course, tons of external spam and phishing attempts.
47:37SPEAKERAround 10 years ago, I remember describing my job
47:39SPEAKERto a very young relative as going to meetings
47:41SPEAKERand writing emails.
47:43SPEAKERSadly, the meetings haven't gone away too.
47:46SPEAKEREmail was probably still the primary tool
47:48SPEAKERor at least common denominator for external communication,
47:51SPEAKERbut it has completely disappeared as a useful way
47:54SPEAKERto communicate with people inside a corporation."
47:57SPEAKER- Yeah, it's funny 'cause that happened,
48:00SPEAKERlike I've been working remotely for almost 10 years now
48:03SPEAKERand not in a big, giant company.
48:04SPEAKERAnd when I left Tested,
48:06SPEAKERwhich had a big publisher attached to it,
48:08SPEAKERnot a huge, but like 300 people,
48:11SPEAKERemails was still the primary way we communicated.
48:14SPEAKERAnd when we started Foo, we used this new thing called Slack
48:18SPEAKERand I don't think I ever sent an email to people
48:20SPEAKERwho I worked with at Foo the entire time.
48:23SPEAKERIt was only five of us at most, but--
48:25SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah, I think that's the key distinction
48:27SPEAKERthat he makes here is that it has disappeared
48:30SPEAKERas a way to communicate with people inside a company.
48:32SPEAKERLike I still use email constantly
48:35SPEAKERfor intercompany communication,
48:37SPEAKERlike dealing with publishers and stuff like that for games,
48:40SPEAKERbut that was always the distinction to me.
48:43SPEAKERLike it went through chat inside for your coworkers,
48:47SPEAKERbut still, it was still somewhat formal.
48:49SPEAKERLike you want more of a record of,
48:52SPEAKERlike a permanent record when you're--
48:54SPEAKER- Also, I guess the other thing is that
48:56SPEAKERa lot of these services people used
48:57SPEAKERare naturally siloed within an organization now, right?
49:02SPEAKERLike Slack is tied to your organization.
49:04SPEAKERLike it was, now that I'm thinking about it,
49:06SPEAKERwe used AOL and Messenger all the time
49:08SPEAKERto talk to people at other companies back in the day,
49:10SPEAKERbut that was a service that was geared toward
49:12SPEAKERjust slapping people on a friend's list and talking to them.
49:15SPEAKER- Yeah, like we used AOL even into the early whiskey days,
49:20SPEAKERright, the mid-whiskey days.
49:21SPEAKER- Oh yeah.
49:23SPEAKER- The thing for me, like if there's an ongoing project
49:27SPEAKERthat an external person works on,
49:29SPEAKERwe would invite them into our Slack or our teams, right?
49:32SPEAKERSo like you had multiple people in different channels,
49:36SPEAKERbut if I was just, like external relations,
49:38SPEAKERlike talking with Microsoft,
49:39SPEAKERwe never talked at Stray Bomb Bay,
49:42SPEAKERwe never did that via Teams chat.
49:44SPEAKERWe always, that was always an email type thing.
49:46SPEAKERAnd then there's also the kind of third thing,
49:49SPEAKERwhich is like a corporate wiki
49:51SPEAKERor a corporate note-taking place where you could keep like,
49:55SPEAKERso instead of burying everything in an email thread,
49:57SPEAKERyou just open up a shared page
49:59SPEAKERand you share that document to the relevant people
50:01SPEAKERand then everybody works in that same document.
50:02SPEAKERAnd it turns out it's much easier
50:04SPEAKERto parse out the important information
50:06SPEAKERthan trying to get through a 30 email chain,
50:10SPEAKERwhich, you know, I don't know.
50:11SPEAKERI think, and then the last thing about this
50:15SPEAKERis the phishing and the spam have become a real problem.
50:19SPEAKERLike we, there's a big conversation going on this
50:22SPEAKERin political polling right now,
50:23SPEAKERbecause poll results seem to be wildly unreliable
50:27SPEAKERbecause entire cohorts of the population
50:30SPEAKERjust don't ever pick up their phone
50:32SPEAKERif it's from an unknown number
50:34SPEAKERor if like you don't text first and it's a known number,
50:38SPEAKERright?
50:39SPEAKERSo, and that's happened because phones
50:43SPEAKERhave become a massive venue for spam and phishing,
50:46SPEAKERso people just don't pick, just don't use it anymore.
50:49SPEAKERAnd the same thing happened with email.
50:51SPEAKERSo like, I think if email was secure and reliable
50:54SPEAKERand not lousy with phishing and spam,
50:57SPEAKERyou probably, we would probably still use email more.
51:01SPEAKERBut because the chat services are all authenticated
51:06SPEAKERand locked, it's safer and you know
51:09SPEAKERthat you're not gonna get phished in chat probably.
51:11SPEAKERWhereas like, I don't know, when you were at CBS,
51:14SPEAKERdid you get the IT people sending out,
51:18SPEAKERwe're gonna try to, we're gonna send you
51:19SPEAKERsome phishing test emails every once in a while?
51:22SPEAKER- I think so, on occasion, pretty rarely though,
51:25SPEAKERfrom what I remember.
51:26SPEAKERWe had to do a lot of mandatory training
51:27SPEAKERand I think that's probably where our compliance
51:29SPEAKERwas centered was just, hey, you need to,
51:31SPEAKERtime to set two hours aside to click through these lessons,
51:34SPEAKERthese illustrated lessons of like,
51:37SPEAKERso-and-so has a USB drive full of company secrets,
51:39SPEAKERis that bad?
51:40SPEAKER- No, that's fine, right?
51:41SPEAKERYou just leave those anywhere,
51:43SPEAKERput them on the floor in medieval times, it's cool.
51:45SPEAKER- All right, question from Base Guy GT.
51:48SPEAKERSmithflix has been mentioned in passing
51:50SPEAKERa few times on the podcast.
51:51SPEAKERI'd love to hear more about it.
51:53SPEAKERWhat software and hardware, how many movies?
51:56SPEAKER- So Smithflix is two machines.
51:58SPEAKERThere's a Synology NAS with, it's a five bay,
52:03SPEAKERlike 22 terabyte, I think total storage
52:05SPEAKERor 24 terabyte total storage NAS
52:08SPEAKERthat all the data lives on.
52:10SPEAKERAnd then there's also a small Beelink dual core Celeron,
52:15SPEAKERI think 10th or 11th gen Beelink box
52:18SPEAKERthat I paid like 150 bucks for,
52:21SPEAKERbecause it does the Intel Quick Sync,
52:24SPEAKERQuick Sync video transcode acceleration.
52:26SPEAKERAnd that is, that runs Plex and a couple of game servers
52:31SPEAKERand some other kind of heavier stuff than,
52:37SPEAKERwhat do you call it?
52:38SPEAKERAnd then the Synology is able to.
52:42SPEAKER- Sure.
52:43SPEAKER- So I think, and like the Synology is running
52:44SPEAKERlike the ubiquitous cloud console
52:46SPEAKERand some other like random backend software
52:49SPEAKERthat I need to run to keep the network going.
52:52SPEAKERThe actual Smithflix machine,
52:55SPEAKERwhich is that little Beelink is running Plex
52:57SPEAKERand like I said, the game servers
52:59SPEAKERand a couple other heavier things.
53:02SPEAKER- Now you have to answer the million dollar question,
53:03SPEAKERhow many movies?
53:04SPEAKER- Oh God, I have no idea.
53:05SPEAKER- I could tell you, maybe I'm on your server.
53:08SPEAKERI never use it, but I am technically on it.
53:10SPEAKERI don't know how quickly I can get.
53:12SPEAKER- Plex doesn't really expose like just a tally of,
53:16SPEAKERlike just a count, does it?
53:18SPEAKER- 1200, it's 1300, 1400 DVDs and Blu-ray reps.
53:23SPEAKER- That's quite a bit.
53:24SPEAKER- Yeah.
53:25SPEAKER- That's a lot of movies.
53:26SPEAKER- So a lot of that's TV shows, individual TV shows.
53:28SPEAKERSo that's just the number of files.
53:29SPEAKER- Okay, that's fair.
53:31SPEAKER- Yeah, and it's all,
53:33SPEAKERI don't add a whole lot of stuff to it these days.
53:36SPEAKER- I will say, like I said, I hardly ever use it,
53:39SPEAKERbut I did use it once or twice
53:40SPEAKERafter you switched to the Beelink noticeably faster.
53:43SPEAKERLike the transcoding was dramatically faster
53:45SPEAKERonce you moved to something with Quick Sync on it.
53:48SPEAKER- The challenge, so the NAS theoretically
53:51SPEAKERhas Quick Sync on it, but I couldn't,
53:53SPEAKERthere didn't seem to be a good way to get the Docker
53:56SPEAKERor the plugin or the Synology plugin version of Plex
54:01SPEAKERrunning with the right kernel hooks
54:04SPEAKERto enable the hardware acceleration.
54:07SPEAKERAnd so I ended up putting it on the standalone machine
54:09SPEAKERand it turned out it's nice to have the standalone machine
54:12SPEAKER'cause the Synology doesn't have that much RAM.
54:14SPEAKERSo like having a bunch of Docker containers running
54:16SPEAKERfeels weird on that.
54:17SPEAKERAnd then putting them on the standalone machine
54:21SPEAKERhelped perf pretty dramatically, so.
54:23SPEAKER- Yeah.
54:26SPEAKERYou didn't ask, but my Plex machine is a 12600K.
54:30SPEAKER- How's that doing for your power?
54:31SPEAKER- I don't know.
54:32SPEAKERI mean, like, look, I probably would need to get a kilowatt
54:35SPEAKERand plug it in and watch for a couple of months
54:37SPEAKERto really give you an answer to that.
54:38SPEAKER- Yeah.
54:39SPEAKER- Probably, it's probably, you know what?
54:41SPEAKERPG&E raises their rates so often that I can't tell
54:43SPEAKERlike any increase in usage is subsumed
54:48SPEAKERby the constant upward creep of their rates.
54:52SPEAKERSo who knows?
54:53SPEAKER- Well, I was gonna say that the time I bought the,
54:55SPEAKERI switched over from the Broadwell E to this,
54:58SPEAKERit saved me actual money because I was,
55:00SPEAKERit bumped me down a tier in usage.
55:03SPEAKERBut then we got the electric car,
55:04SPEAKERwhich puts us on a different rate plan.
55:06SPEAKERAnd we're not, like in the old days,
55:08SPEAKERthey would be like, okay, here, your house is this big
55:11SPEAKERand all the other houses in your neighborhood
55:14SPEAKERthat are this big use this much electricity
55:16SPEAKERand you're using five times as much as them.
55:18SPEAKERSo you pay five times as much more,
55:20SPEAKERwhich was some real horseshit and they should be sued for.
55:22SPEAKERBut anyway, PG&E sucks.
55:24SPEAKERThat's the TL;DR.
55:25SPEAKER- They sure do.
55:26SPEAKER- They're a terrible company
55:27SPEAKERand should be fired into the sun publicly.
55:30SPEAKERYeah. - Yep, yep.
55:32SPEAKER- What's the opposite of privatized, Brad?
55:34SPEAKER- Socialized.
55:35SPEAKER- Socialized.
55:36SPEAKER- We should socialize. - Or nationalized.
55:38SPEAKER- Yeah, we should nationalize PG&E.
55:40SPEAKER- I guess it would be socialized in that case.
55:41SPEAKER- It's not privatized.
55:42SPEAKERIt's not publicized.
55:43SPEAKERThat's a different thing.
55:44SPEAKER- Oh, oh.
55:45SPEAKER- You'd think it would be though.
55:46SPEAKERPrivatized in public.
55:47SPEAKER- Public, although there should be further publicization
55:50SPEAKERof PG&E's burning down of the state.
55:53SPEAKER- The burning down of the state and like the fact,
55:56SPEAKERI'm curious, I looked at our power bill
55:59SPEAKERand we pay more for transmission of the power
56:02SPEAKERthan we do for the generation of the power.
56:05SPEAKER- I didn't know they itemized it that way.
56:06SPEAKER- Well, because we live in San Mateo County
56:08SPEAKERand we do a different provider,
56:10SPEAKERwe buy exclusively wind and solar.
56:12SPEAKER- I see.
56:13SPEAKER- Which our rate is better on that,
56:14SPEAKERbut they charge us so much for the transmission
56:17SPEAKERacross PG&E lines that I feel like
56:20SPEAKERwe're getting screwed somehow.
56:21SPEAKER- I mean, it's the power company.
56:22SPEAKERYou're definitely getting screwed.
56:24SPEAKER- Yeah.
56:25SPEAKER- Actually, there's another Plex question here
56:27SPEAKERI'll go ahead and ask real quick from CyMelt.
56:30SPEAKERI have a large Plex library of uncompressed MKV files
56:33SPEAKERpulled straight from disks.
56:34SPEAKERUnfortunately, I'm running out of space
56:35SPEAKERand I'm not ready to invest in more storage,
56:38SPEAKERbut I find whenever I compress,
56:40SPEAKERI always end up unhappy with the quality.
56:42SPEAKERWhat are your methods and settings
56:43SPEAKERand are you happy with the quality
56:44SPEAKERor simply accept the quality for the file size savings?
56:48SPEAKER- I'm looking for streaming quality,
56:50SPEAKERnot disk quality on Plex.
56:52SPEAKER- Yeah.
56:53SPEAKER- If it's something I care about the disk on,
56:54SPEAKERI'd probably get out the 4K disk.
56:55SPEAKER- Yeah, that's fair.
56:57SPEAKERI'm in the exact same boat.
56:58SPEAKERI have all of my rips are uncompressed
57:00SPEAKER'cause I don't want to lose the quality,
57:02SPEAKERbut I know that's kind of foolish.
57:04SPEAKER- Yeah.
57:05SPEAKER- I'm watching everything locally
57:05SPEAKERso I can watch it at full quality.
57:07SPEAKERIt's not like it's transcoding generally over the network,
57:11SPEAKERexcept in rare cases.
57:12SPEAKERBut yes, it is like a Blu-ray.
57:15SPEAKERBlu-rays use H.264.
57:16SPEAKERLike that is not an efficient use of space these days
57:19SPEAKERfor the quality level.
57:21SPEAKER- I mean, I guess now that we can do H.265
57:24SPEAKERand higher, better codecs accelerated,
57:28SPEAKERprobably the thing to do is to,
57:31SPEAKERI've seen threads on the Plex subreddit
57:34SPEAKERor Handbrake subreddit about how to turn your H.264s
57:38SPEAKERinto H.265s or AV1s even.
57:42SPEAKER- I'd probably encode AV1 at this point.
57:44SPEAKER- Well, it depends on what your end points are
57:46SPEAKER'cause a lot of end points don't support AV1 yet.
57:48SPEAKER- That goes without saying,
57:50SPEAKERyou probably would be transcoding in the short term,
57:53SPEAKERbut it's more of a future-proofing.
57:54SPEAKERIt's like eventually and probably not that long from now
57:58SPEAKERthat it'll be the case that you can just direct play AV1
58:02SPEAKERto most things in the next five years.
58:03SPEAKERSo I'd rather do that than have to re-encode
58:06SPEAKEReverything yet again in a few years.
58:09SPEAKER- For example, my server doesn't support
58:11SPEAKERAV1 hardware transcode.
58:13SPEAKERSo if I did that, I would have software transcode
58:18SPEAKERon any end points that don't support AV1.
58:20SPEAKER- Well, it should be able to do hardware encode
58:22SPEAKERinto whatever you're,
58:24SPEAKER'cause you're probably transcoding to H.264,
58:26SPEAKERwhich you do have hardware support for.
58:27SPEAKER- No, I don't have hardware decode of AV1.
58:29SPEAKER- Yes, you probably would be eating some CPU.
58:32SPEAKER- Yeah, the decoding is way more,
58:36SPEAKERit makes way more of a difference than you think.
58:38SPEAKERLike I did a bunch of tests.
58:39SPEAKERLike I talked about it before,
58:42SPEAKERI use my NAS as an intermediary when I stream Twitch
58:45SPEAKERfor a variety of reasons that are mostly archive related,
58:48SPEAKERbut I got the quick sync on my NAS working
58:51SPEAKERto encode the streams going out, which worked fine.
58:54SPEAKERI'm still using kind of a decent amount of CPU though.
58:57SPEAKERAnd then I started looking into,
58:58SPEAKERthis is all through FFmpeg.
58:59SPEAKERThen I figured out how to get the hardware decode working
59:01SPEAKERwith a stream coming in is being decoded in hardware
59:04SPEAKERand then re-encoded also in hardware.
59:06SPEAKERCPU usage dropped to basically nothing,
59:08SPEAKERlike almost nothing after I,
59:11SPEAKERlike the decode takes way more CPU than you think.
59:14SPEAKER- Yeah, when I was doing,
59:15SPEAKERI was trying to do a small form factor
59:17SPEAKERfor a secondary streaming box.
59:18SPEAKERAnd the, like I put a capture card
59:24SPEAKERin the one PCI express slot that was in that machine
59:26SPEAKERand used integrated graphics,
59:28SPEAKERwhich didn't support hardware encode or decode
59:31SPEAKERin OBS at the time.
59:33SPEAKERAnd it was unusable.
59:34SPEAKERIt was like 80% CPU on a pretty decent machine at the time.
59:38SPEAKERSo yeah.
59:39SPEAKER- Yeah, now that you mentioned it like that
59:40SPEAKERand asking that be linked to decode AV1 in software
59:44SPEAKERmight be kind of a lot.
59:45SPEAKER- Yeah, no, it's a Celeron dude.
59:47SPEAKER- It's a wee little thing.
59:49SPEAKER- Yeah, everything's running out of Docker.
59:50SPEAKERSo like if I ever want to upgrade it, I can.
59:52SPEAKERI just picked the lowest power thing I could find
59:54SPEAKERthat I thought would do the job
59:55SPEAKER'cause I didn't want to pay for the electricity.
59:57SPEAKER- Yeah, I've been fiddling with Docker
59:59SPEAKERand Podman quite a bit lately.
1:00:01SPEAKERWe don't need to get into it right now, but.
1:00:03SPEAKER- I think I'm ready for a Docker episode.
1:00:05SPEAKERI need to know more.
1:00:07SPEAKER- Yeah, I think I'm going to move in that direction
1:00:09SPEAKERrather than using full on system containers
1:00:12SPEAKERfor every service I run.
1:00:14SPEAKER- Seems more portable.
1:00:15SPEAKER- It's definitely more portable.
1:00:17SPEAKERDefinitely more like you just need
1:00:19SPEAKERthis one configuration file.
1:00:20SPEAKERAnd even if you lose your entire machine,
1:00:21SPEAKERyou just point Docker at that composed file
1:00:26SPEAKERand everything's back up in two seconds.
1:00:28SPEAKER- And the data, yeah.
1:00:29SPEAKER- Declarative configurations.
1:00:31SPEAKER- Yes.
1:00:32SPEAKER- I don't know if you, declarative.
1:00:33SPEAKERDeclarative is a hot buzzword
1:00:35SPEAKERin server administration these days.
1:00:38SPEAKER- In container land.
1:00:39SPEAKER- Yes, yes.
1:00:41SPEAKERStatic, text files really is what we're talking about.
1:00:45SPEAKER- Love a good text file.
1:00:47SPEAKER- Let's see, a couple more real quick ones.
1:00:49SPEAKERVivreen asks, is it worth going for Wi-Fi 7?
1:00:52SPEAKER- No, probably not.
1:00:54SPEAKERIf you live someplace that's really congested, yes.
1:00:57SPEAKERIf you live someplace that's reasonably uncongested,
1:01:00SPEAKERby really congested,
1:01:01SPEAKERI mean like multi-story apartment buildings
1:01:04SPEAKERwhere there's multiple floors worth of people.
1:01:07SPEAKERIf you live in New York, in Manhattan or Brooklyn
1:01:10SPEAKERor Queens or someplace that's really dense,
1:01:12SPEAKERif you live in the suburbs, you're probably okay.
1:01:13SPEAKEREven if you live in a normal apartment complex,
1:01:15SPEAKERyou're probably okay with 6E.
1:01:17SPEAKER- Yeah, I mean, I would say if a couple of things are true,
1:01:20SPEAKERif you're coming from a much older standard,
1:01:22SPEAKERlike if you're on 6E, probably not worth it.
1:01:25SPEAKERBut like, yeah, if you're on something much older
1:01:28SPEAKERand if there's not a huge price difference
1:01:29SPEAKERbetween like 6E and 7E,
1:01:32SPEAKERI'd probably go ahead and go for the 7E for future proofing.
1:01:35SPEAKER- Yeah, I think N is an instant upgrade.
1:01:40SPEAKERAnything past AC is probably okay,
1:01:42SPEAKERassuming you're not having problems right now.
1:01:46SPEAKERThe other thing is the answer to this question changes
1:01:48SPEAKERif you do local file transfers over Wi-Fi a lot.
1:01:52SPEAKERIf you're doing big file,
1:01:53SPEAKERlike if you're doing video editing over Wi-Fi,
1:01:55SPEAKERthen maybe, I don't know.
1:01:57SPEAKERIt seems like you're better off running an ethernet wire
1:02:01SPEAKERthan upgrading your Wi-Fi stuff to 7.
1:02:04SPEAKER- Yeah, I'm just looking around.
1:02:05SPEAKERIt's kind of hard to get a sense of prices very quickly,
1:02:07SPEAKERbut it looks like Wi-Fi 7 access points
1:02:11SPEAKERare starting to get somewhat reasonable.
1:02:13SPEAKER- Yeah, they're under 250 bucks now, I think.
1:02:15SPEAKER- Yeah, like this UNIFI.
1:02:17SPEAKERI'm not recommending UNIFI, it's just the first thing I found
1:02:19SPEAKERbut this Wi-Fi 7, UNIFI Pro is 189,
1:02:22SPEAKERwhich is like not completely exorbitant.
1:02:25SPEAKER- That's an access point only though, not a router.
1:02:29SPEAKER- Yes, I mean, it's not super cheap,
1:02:30SPEAKERbut that's getting into their normal price range.
1:02:33SPEAKER- Yeah, got one more.
1:02:36SPEAKER- All right, last question comes from Console Command.
1:02:39SPEAKERI got my first NAS in January and it retextualized
1:02:42SPEAKERhow I think about computing locally on the local network.
1:02:46SPEAKERThen a shower thought occurred.
1:02:48SPEAKERI have a dark coax cable network in the walls of my house.
1:02:51SPEAKERJust a little aside here by dark,
1:02:54SPEAKERI assume they mean not being used for anything.
1:02:56SPEAKER- Probably they don't have cable anymore.
1:02:58SPEAKER- Yeah, no.
1:02:59SPEAKERI have a dark coax cable network in the walls of my house.
1:03:02SPEAKERThey once blasted TV shows from a telco.
1:03:05SPEAKERMaybe they can blast TV shows from my NAS.
1:03:08SPEAKERThis is crazy, this is some Frankenstein shit.
1:03:10SPEAKERA Raspberry Pi, a Channel Plus RF modulator
1:03:14SPEAKERand some ugly Python script later.
1:03:16SPEAKERI now have a 24 hour Simpsons on Channel 14.
1:03:19SPEAKER- I love this so much.
1:03:22SPEAKER- 24 hour Simpsons channel on Channel 14, I should say.
1:03:25SPEAKERThis is just the beginning.
1:03:27SPEAKERIf you had a private TV channel, what would you do?
1:03:30SPEAKERPS, the box of old cables and tech
1:03:32SPEAKERwas a gold mine for this project.
1:03:36SPEAKERThis is an amazing idea.
1:03:38SPEAKERI think the biggest problem for me
1:03:39SPEAKERis just having a TV on the receiving end
1:03:41SPEAKERthat could actually tune an RF channel in
1:03:45SPEAKERor tune in on a broadcast channel over RF.
1:03:48SPEAKER- 'Cause your TV doesn't have a coax plug.
1:03:50SPEAKER- Yeah, I don't think I have access to a display
1:03:52SPEAKERthat could understand that old style of TV signal,
1:03:57SPEAKERbut this is an amazing idea.
1:03:58SPEAKER- Oh, so this is where my ancient TV really pays off.
1:04:02SPEAKER- Yeah, I guess so.
1:04:03SPEAKERI guess those plasmas of that era
1:04:05SPEAKERstill did have coax on them, didn't they?
1:04:06SPEAKER- I have components still. - No, I'm sorry.
1:04:08SPEAKERI'm sorry, my TV does have coax.
1:04:09SPEAKERI don't think it would be able to--
1:04:11SPEAKER- It would be digital.
1:04:12SPEAKER- That's what I was gonna say.
1:04:13SPEAKERHe doesn't say if this is an analog or a digital signal.
1:04:15SPEAKERI don't think my TV would not be able
1:04:17SPEAKERto interpret an analog broadcast signal
1:04:19SPEAKERif that's what he's using here.
1:04:20SPEAKER- You can get a digital channel modulator for $79 shipped.
1:04:25SPEAKER- Yeah, okay, if that's what he's talking about here,
1:04:27SPEAKERthen most any TV with a modern digital tuner could do this.
1:04:31SPEAKER- And that is a cool idea.
1:04:33SPEAKER- That's pretty cool.
1:04:34SPEAKERI mean, it's like, it's kind of a distinction
1:04:36SPEAKERwithout a difference in the fact there
1:04:37SPEAKERin the sense that you could just do this with like Plex
1:04:38SPEAKERor something like that digitally, you know?
1:04:41SPEAKERBut something about being able
1:04:43SPEAKERto just flip actual channels in your house is pretty awesome.
1:04:47SPEAKER- Yeah, it's a super cool idea.
1:04:49SPEAKERI have dark coax in my walls too,
1:04:51SPEAKERbut we only have one TV really
1:04:53SPEAKERwhere there's coax outputs, and it has Plex on it.
1:04:57SPEAKERBut I love this.
1:04:59SPEAKER- It's pretty good, pretty good idea.
1:05:02SPEAKER- You wanna call it?
1:05:03SPEAKERYou got one more.
1:05:04SPEAKER- Well, the question here was
1:05:04SPEAKERif you had a private TV channel, what would you do?
1:05:07SPEAKER- Oh.
1:05:07SPEAKER- In my case, I think somebody already beat me to it.
1:05:09SPEAKERIt's the old timey computer show Twitch channel.
1:05:12SPEAKER- Yeah, I think that's pretty good.
1:05:13SPEAKER- Which just streams Computer Chronicles
1:05:16SPEAKERand similar programming nonstop forever.
1:05:18SPEAKER- For me, Simpsons,
1:05:20SPEAKERit would be like a '90s animation probably.
1:05:22SPEAKERSo it'd be like Simpsons and King of the Hill
1:05:25SPEAKERand maybe Futurama, old Futurama, not new Futurama.
1:05:30SPEAKER- Yep, let's see.
1:05:31SPEAKEROld timey computer show is currently showing an episode
1:05:34SPEAKERof Game Breaker from 1993.
1:05:36SPEAKER- Oh, I love Game Breaker.
1:05:37SPEAKER- I don't know what Game Breaker,
1:05:38SPEAKERI mean, it seems to be about video games,
1:05:41SPEAKERbut that's about all I can tell you.
1:05:42SPEAKER- The PC World folk discovered the Computer Chronicles
1:05:45SPEAKERepisode that Gordon and I were on in like 2002.
1:05:48SPEAKER- Great.
1:05:49SPEAKER- Yeah.
1:05:49SPEAKER- Sure, that's always fun.
1:05:50SPEAKER- It was a revelatory experience for them.
1:05:54SPEAKER- I bet, I bet.
1:05:55SPEAKER- I think that's a good place to wrap it up.
1:05:57SPEAKERAs always, if you have a question,
1:05:59SPEAKERyou can email it to techpod@content.down
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1:06:03SPEAKERyou can go to the Questions Seeking Answers channel,
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1:06:07SPEAKERDon't put private stuff in there.
1:06:09SPEAKERI have to say this every few months 'cause people forget,
1:06:11SPEAKERbecause if you're in the channel
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1:06:52SPEAKER- Yeah, we might do some of those on there.
1:06:54SPEAKER- We might tackle that.
1:06:55SPEAKERMaybe we can do another live one too, if you want, Brad.
1:06:57SPEAKERI'm still set up for that if you wanna get crazy one day.
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