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245: RGB Has Gone Too Far

2024-07-28 · 1:07:35

00:00SPEAKER- Do you think CPUs are ever gonna be good again?

00:02SPEAKER- Look, a lot of CPUs are just fine.

00:05SPEAKERIt's just a relatively small number of affected CPUs

00:08SPEAKERthat is causing a heartache on the Intel side.

00:11SPEAKERAnd the AMD side, they didn't actually say

00:13SPEAKERthey found a problem.

00:14SPEAKERThey said they found some CPUs

00:15SPEAKERthat didn't go through the full spectrum of tests.

00:18SPEAKER- Didn't they say it doesn't meet their quality bar?

00:21SPEAKER- The quality bar is that they weren't fully tested

00:23SPEAKERaccording to verge.com, sorry, theverge.com.

00:28SPEAKER- Yeah, so what we are alluding to

00:31SPEAKERis that there were two statements this week

00:33SPEAKERfrom two different CPU manufacturers,

00:35SPEAKERboth Intel and AMD, released statements.

00:38SPEAKERFirst off, AMD delayed the 9000 series Zen 5 Ryzen CPUs

00:42SPEAKERby two weeks and three weeks respectively.

00:45SPEAKERI think the single die chips got delayed two weeks

00:48SPEAKERfrom the, it was supposed to be a June 31st launch,

00:51SPEAKERand now they're gonna be--

00:52SPEAKER- July 31st.

00:53SPEAKER- Sorry, July 31st to June 15th, I think,

00:56SPEAKERor June 14th, I think, August 14th, whatever.

00:59SPEAKER- It's a bit concerning that these things

01:01SPEAKERwere boxed and packaged and shipped into retail

01:03SPEAKERand then recalled back to the manufacturer.

01:06SPEAKERHow does this happen?

01:07SPEAKER- Well, okay, so it's really complicated

01:09SPEAKERmaking hardware, Brad, okay?

01:11SPEAKER- Sure.

01:12SPEAKER- No, I had the same question.

01:14SPEAKERHow do you have a product that skips some QA step?

01:17SPEAKERI wonder if they discovered some late problem

01:20SPEAKERand added an additional QA step to it

01:22SPEAKERand then they realized that they have to call these

01:24SPEAKERthe first stuff that had already shipped into the channel

01:26SPEAKERback.

01:27SPEAKER- That's exactly my assumption.

01:28SPEAKERThey may not be saying what the problem is,

01:29SPEAKERbut they have to have found something.

01:31SPEAKER- Yeah, we talked about this over on the PC World channel.

01:34SPEAKERGordon and Adam and I sat down as the embargo lifted

01:38SPEAKERand kind of talked through it.

01:39SPEAKERThe TLDR is that there's no architecture problem.

01:42SPEAKERThere's not even probably a microcode problem

01:43SPEAKERfor a two-ish week delay.

01:47SPEAKERIt is almost certainly some manufacturing, assembly,

01:52SPEAKERor testing problem and then they confirm that later on

01:55SPEAKERin the comment to The Verge.

01:57SPEAKERSo it's really not a big deal.

01:59SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah, I wonder if they do have to pull

02:01SPEAKERsome stock though.

02:02SPEAKERI wonder if some of those end up not going back out.

02:04SPEAKER- So they're pulling, the basic gist is

02:08SPEAKERif you're not buying an early chip

02:12SPEAKERfrom a shifty reseller that's breaking embargo,

02:16SPEAKERthere's no chance you're gonna have anything

02:17SPEAKER'cause they're calling back all the affected chips, right?

02:20SPEAKER- Yeah, I just meant I wonder if it'll constrain supply

02:22SPEAKERif they have to pull a non-trivial number

02:26SPEAKERout of the channel.

02:28SPEAKER- It didn't sound like from the comment

02:30SPEAKERthat Gordon got from them that they had.

02:33SPEAKERYou can watch, like I said,

02:34SPEAKERGordon and Adam and I talked about it for a while

02:36SPEAKERon the PC World channel.

02:38SPEAKERIt's in the live section.

02:39SPEAKERBut yeah, it doesn't seem like it's gonna constrain supply.

02:42SPEAKERNow, on the Intel side, it's nice

02:45SPEAKERbecause they've finally addressed

02:47SPEAKERwhat I think are now extremely long-running problems

02:50SPEAKERwith their post 12th generation high-end unlocked CPUs

02:56SPEAKERand also maybe all of the other post 12th generation CPUs.

03:01SPEAKER- How in the world did it take this long?

03:03SPEAKERI feel like this has been in the news

03:04SPEAKERfor the better part of a year at this point.

03:06SPEAKERAnd obviously it was happening before that.

03:07SPEAKER- Like people were taking it seriously

03:09SPEAKERfor like seven months now was the timeline basically.

03:12SPEAKERThe OODLE announcement was about seven months ago.

03:14SPEAKERThe OODLE, the decompression library that first was like,

03:18SPEAKERhey, if you have problems, maybe consider clocking down

03:21SPEAKERyour 13900K.

03:23SPEAKERI returned a CPU like March or April of last year.

03:27SPEAKERSo it's been going for a long time.

03:29SPEAKERAnd yeah, so the TLDR is that they have come out and said,

03:35SPEAKERhey, we have some microcode problems

03:37SPEAKERthat are resulting in the CPU getting too much voltage

03:40SPEAKERand it's causing degradation on a small number of CPUs

03:44SPEAKERbased on the testing of returns of 13th and 14th generation.

03:49SPEAKERThey didn't say, it was interesting

03:51SPEAKER'cause they didn't say 14900 and 13900Ks.

03:54SPEAKERThey said 13th and 14th generation CPUs.

03:57SPEAKERSo presumably this is also impacting other 13th

04:00SPEAKERand 14th generation CPUs probably just lower end stuff

04:03SPEAKERat a lower level because the voltages involved

04:06SPEAKERaren't as damaging.

04:07SPEAKER- Yeah, like the 9 series is the one

04:08SPEAKERthat's sucking all the juice down to try to run faster.

04:11SPEAKER- Yep, but for what it's worth,

04:13SPEAKERthe PC World offices, I have torched a 14700K now.

04:16SPEAKER- Really?

04:17SPEAKER- And I also managed to blow up a 14900KS, so.

04:21SPEAKER- You killed a 14700K, really?

04:23SPEAKER- Uh-huh.

04:24SPEAKER- Wow, this sucks.

04:26SPEAKERAll of this sucks.

04:27SPEAKER- I used an enthusiast motherboard

04:29SPEAKERthat probably had more aggressive voltages

04:33SPEAKERthan even the standard.

04:36SPEAKER- This is a wild one because in the AMD case last year,

04:39SPEAKER'cause let's not forget that AMD also had emulating CPUs

04:42SPEAKERabout a year and change ago.

04:44SPEAKER- Yeah, but you know what the difference is?

04:46SPEAKERInstead of letting it sit for seven months,

04:48SPEAKERthey just said about a month in,

04:50SPEAKERhey, we figured out what the problem is.

04:51SPEAKERHere's some BIOS updates.

04:53SPEAKERWe won't do this anymore.

04:54SPEAKERYou may have to replace your board.

04:55SPEAKER- Well, that's what I was gonna say.

04:56SPEAKERLike in that case, people blamed the motherboard makers

04:59SPEAKERmore or less rightfully so.

05:00SPEAKERLike it seems like AMD had kind of an ill-defined spec,

05:02SPEAKERbut it was the motherboard manufacturers

05:04SPEAKERthat were pushing outside of whatever

05:05SPEAKERthat vague nebulous spec was in that case.

05:09SPEAKERIn the Intel case, everybody just went

05:11SPEAKERand blamed the motherboard makers again

05:12SPEAKERbecause that's what happened last time.

05:14SPEAKERAnd now a year later, they have found like,

05:16SPEAKERoh no, it's our microcode that was the problem.

05:18SPEAKERLike how did it take this long to discover that?

05:20SPEAKER- Well, they said one of the factors, I think.

05:22SPEAKERSo the reading between the lines,

05:27SPEAKERmy assumption is that there are multiple things

05:29SPEAKERcontributing to these failures,

05:30SPEAKERmaking it difficult to isolate single causes.

05:34SPEAKERSo I think that the motherboards over-volting out of the box,

05:37SPEAKERlike the motherboards never running in spec

05:40SPEAKERand in some cases spiking up above like 1.6 volts

05:42SPEAKERfor these CPUs probably contributed, right?

05:45SPEAKERContributed to the degradation, which increased the signal,

05:48SPEAKERincreased the noise, but not the signal

05:50SPEAKERfor what the actual core problem was.

05:52SPEAKERAnd then other things happened like,

05:54SPEAKERSteve over at Gamers Nexus released a video last week,

05:58SPEAKERweek before now for listeners that talked about oxidation

06:02SPEAKERon the 1300K, 1400K parts that he'd tested,

06:06SPEAKERwhich also contributed to crashes, right?

06:09SPEAKERSo Intel had already acknowledged the oxidation thing

06:12SPEAKERthat like they said, hey, this is a warranty thing.

06:14SPEAKERWe just fix it when it comes up.

06:15SPEAKERBut this announcement seemed extremely carefully written

06:22SPEAKERto not get them to, look,

06:25SPEAKERthe lawyers did some work on this one.

06:27SPEAKERThe good thing is at the end of the statement,

06:29SPEAKERthey say we'll make things right with our customers, right?

06:33SPEAKERSo if you have an affected CPU,

06:35SPEAKERRMA it will send you a new one.

06:37SPEAKERBut as of right now,

06:39SPEAKERthe microcode update doesn't come out until August.

06:42SPEAKERSo the recommended practice right now,

06:45SPEAKERif you have a 1300K, 1400K machine especially,

06:48SPEAKERbut also probably if you have a 14.7 or 13, maybe a 13.7,

06:51SPEAKERthey seemed, haven't heard any 13.7 problems,

06:54SPEAKERis that you wanna follow the Intel recommended voltages.

06:59SPEAKERAnd then there's also some stuff that Falcon Northwest

07:01SPEAKERposted on their Twitter about what voltages to run

07:04SPEAKERon the PL1, PL0 and stuff like that.

07:06SPEAKERAnd that should keep you safe until the new microcode

07:10SPEAKERcomes out in middle of August.

07:12SPEAKER- Well, hey, the new RYZENs, the 9000 series,

07:14SPEAKERare a brand new architecture for them

07:16SPEAKERfor the first time since RYZENs were a thing.

07:17SPEAKERAnd this fall, presumably this fall,

07:19SPEAKERI don't know if they've actually announced it yet,

07:21SPEAKERbut Intel is finally moving to their chiplet tile design.

07:25SPEAKER- Yep.

07:26SPEAKER- And also going to some TSMC manufactured parts.

07:28SPEAKERPoint is a lot going on with new CPUs this year.

07:31SPEAKERSo I'm sure everything will go perfectly smoothly.

07:33SPEAKER- Yeah, it's, you know, look,

07:35SPEAKERevery time we've changed big parts of the CPU architectures,

07:37SPEAKEReverything's been fine, right?

07:38SPEAKER- Yes, right, everything just works right out of the box.

07:41SPEAKERCan we make CPUs boring again?

07:43SPEAKER- I mean, I think everybody involved would like that.

07:46SPEAKER- I sure would.

07:47SPEAKERAt this point, I'm starting to question if they ever will.

07:49SPEAKERLike, is this just the new state of affairs?

07:50SPEAKERLike, are we in a weird disruption because like DDR5

07:54SPEAKERhappened and then COVID happened and like, you know,

07:56SPEAKERjust a lot of things have been thrown into upheaval

07:59SPEAKERor are we just pushing sand so hard at this point

08:03SPEAKERthat this is just the new state of affairs for CPUs

08:05SPEAKERbecause if it's the latter, I might want out.

08:07SPEAKER- Well, so I'm not an expert on this,

08:09SPEAKERbut everybody is pointing out that all of these

08:11SPEAKERaffected parts were manufactured during COVID times, right?

08:15SPEAKERLike designed and manufactured during COVID time.

08:18SPEAKERWhich definitely probably has an impact.

08:20SPEAKERThe other thing is moving from monolithic architectures

08:24SPEAKERand single die designs to these new,

08:27SPEAKERthese new more complicated designs has had a lot of like,

08:32SPEAKERboth expected hinkiness in terms of like

08:35SPEAKERthe Windows task scheduler and stuff like that.

08:37SPEAKERAnd the thread scheduler and how it handles doling out work

08:40SPEAKERto like different, you know, CPU cores on the same die,

08:44SPEAKERbut on the same chip with different capabilities.

08:48SPEAKERBut then there's also been unexpected stuff like,

08:51SPEAKERhey, maybe these things don't age

08:52SPEAKERas well as older monolithic CPUs.

08:55SPEAKERAnd I think we'll get there.

08:59SPEAKERI remain confident that we'll get there, right?

09:01SPEAKERLike these are tractable problems,

09:02SPEAKERbut it's figuring stuff out as we go.

09:06SPEAKERAnd it doesn't feel good when you buy a $500 CPU

09:09SPEAKERand it lasts nine months.

09:10SPEAKER- It sure doesn't.

09:11SPEAKERMake CPUs boring again.

09:13SPEAKER- I agree.

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10:45SPEAKERAll business on this podcast.

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10:48SPEAKER- Email from Toby.

10:50SPEAKER- Okay.

10:51SPEAKER- Two parts to this.

10:52SPEAKERI chanced upon this over the weekend

10:54SPEAKERand thought it was something you might appreciate.

10:56SPEAKERThe logical escalation for what can we get Doom to run on?

10:59SPEAKERHow about a non-Euclidean universe?

11:02SPEAKER- This video actually came up in my YouTube recommendations

11:04SPEAKERlike last week and I'm really digressing from Toby's email.

11:08SPEAKERI apologize here, but my YouTube management is so bad.

11:12SPEAKERFrequently, if I see something I want to watch,

11:15SPEAKERI'll just let the first minute play

11:16SPEAKERso it makes it into my history

11:17SPEAKERand then close it rather than like adding it to a playlist

11:22SPEAKERor some more sensible form of retention.

11:25SPEAKER- Oh, I just put it in the watch later.

11:26SPEAKER- Yeah, I frequently do that too,

11:28SPEAKERbut sometimes I'm like, I'll just check this out

11:30SPEAKERand then maybe I'll come back, but I never do.

11:32SPEAKER- The real problem I have

11:32SPEAKERis that my kid and I watch YouTube videos together.

11:34SPEAKERSo my stuff is like half really scary computer stuff

11:37SPEAKERand then half like chinchillas

11:39SPEAKERand guinea pigs and cat videos.

11:42SPEAKER- Oh man, I could not.

11:44SPEAKER- Japanese food.

11:45SPEAKER- I could not.

11:46SPEAKERLike I got to keep my algorithm clean, man.

11:48SPEAKER- Look, I would give anything.

11:51SPEAKERLook, if I ever run for office,

11:53SPEAKERone of my planks is going to be

11:55SPEAKEReverything that's algorithm-based recommendations

11:57SPEAKERhas to have a clean start button.

11:59SPEAKERYou need to let people nuke and pave.

12:02SPEAKER'Cause like I have so much Taylor Swift in my Apple music.

12:05SPEAKERIt's I can't take it anymore.

12:07SPEAKER- Yeah, yep, yep.

12:08SPEAKER- Anyway.

12:09SPEAKER- Okay, all right.

12:10SPEAKER- I hope you liked your answer, Toby.

12:11SPEAKERThanks for writing in, we appreciate you.

12:12SPEAKER- Yes, anyway, the title of this video is

12:14SPEAKER"Non-Euclidean Doom, What Happens to a Game

12:17SPEAKERWhen Pi Is Not 3.14159?"

12:20SPEAKER- Well, and also isn't Doom famously,

12:23SPEAKERdidn't Carmack misremember pi?

12:25SPEAKER- I don't know if you misremembered it or not,

12:28SPEAKERbut the Toby's fall up here.

12:30SPEAKERI think my favorite part of the whole thing

12:32SPEAKERis the fact that John Carmack stuck in pi

12:34SPEAKERto 10 decimal places from memory

12:36SPEAKERand then didn't check it.

12:38SPEAKERPretty on brand behavior.

12:39SPEAKER- The last digit is wrong, as I recall, yeah.

12:43SPEAKER- Is that right?

12:43SPEAKER- Yeah.

12:44SPEAKER- Okay, that's ridiculous.

12:45SPEAKER- I think that was in this video.

12:46SPEAKERIt's why he mentions it here, sorry.

12:47SPEAKERI watched this video when he sent this email

12:48SPEAKERand it's a fabulous video.

12:49SPEAKER- Yeah, I need to get back to it.

12:51SPEAKER- We'll put it in the show notes, but it's really weird.

12:54SPEAKER- Okay, Toby's question.

12:56SPEAKERI have a load of small electronics that charge through USB-C,

13:00SPEAKERone of which is a steam deck.

13:02SPEAKERFor reasons I can't justify,

13:03SPEAKERI never use that brick to charge

13:04SPEAKERthe other lower power consumption devices

13:06SPEAKERlike cell phone and headphones, et cetera,

13:08SPEAKERout of some irrational fear of it plowing too much juice

13:11SPEAKERthrough and burning them out.

13:12SPEAKERI know things just draw what they need,

13:14SPEAKERbut I just can't shake the fear.

13:16SPEAKERIs this a paranoia either of you share?

13:18SPEAKERIs there any merit to it at all?

13:19SPEAKERI sure would love to travel with just one USB-C charger.

13:22SPEAKER- Look, kids in the USB age are never gonna grow up

13:24SPEAKERwith the fear of grabbing the wrong barrel connector

13:27SPEAKERand plugging it into your most treasured piece of electronics

13:31SPEAKERand then watching the magic smoke

13:32SPEAKERthat makes the most treasured piece of electronics come out

13:35SPEAKERbecause you put too much juice in.

13:36SPEAKER- Center positive only.

13:38SPEAKER- Yeah, you can plug USB,

13:41SPEAKERassuming you're using reputable chargers

13:43SPEAKERlike the one that comes with the steam deck

13:45SPEAKERor like an Onker or a real brand, non-Aliexpress,

13:50SPEAKERnon-generic, bought at a truck stop, USB charger,

13:54SPEAKERjust plug it in, it'll be fine.

13:55SPEAKER- Probably, yeah, that's probably the case.

13:58SPEAKERI will say this goes the other direction though,

14:00SPEAKERbut I will say when I've said this before,

14:01SPEAKERwhen I've shopped for a one USB-C charger to rule them all

14:06SPEAKERin the past, Onker or what have you,

14:09SPEAKERthe steam deck is frequently the thing I see cited

14:11SPEAKERin the user reviews the most as being problematic,

14:15SPEAKERbut again, not in the it's frying things sense,

14:18SPEAKERbut in the it's not charging fast enough sense.

14:20SPEAKERLike the steam deck is apparently weird with some bricks

14:22SPEAKERthat technically can supply the wattage that it needs

14:26SPEAKERabout not pulling the full amount.

14:28SPEAKER- It's because it's a 45 watt,

14:30SPEAKERwhich I think is a weird number in the USB thing.

14:33SPEAKER- Yeah, I don't remember what the root cause was

14:35SPEAKERor if people even figured it out,

14:36SPEAKERbut the upshot was you could not on a lot of these bricks

14:39SPEAKERthat again are like more than powerful enough

14:41SPEAKERto charge a steam deck,

14:42SPEAKERyou couldn't play the steam deck while charging and have it.

14:45SPEAKER- Oh, it gives the error message?

14:47SPEAKER- Well, yeah, you just couldn't get a net positive charge

14:49SPEAKERwhile you were playing.

14:50SPEAKERIt would still drain the battery while you were playing it

14:53SPEAKERbecause it wasn't pulling enough to charge fast enough.

14:55SPEAKER- Yeah.

14:56SPEAKER- Which again is not dangerous, it's just annoying.

14:58SPEAKER- Yeah, in my experience,

15:00SPEAKERso in my experience, the steam deck works really well

15:03SPEAKERwith laptop rated USB chargers and not well at all

15:07SPEAKERwith a phone and like device rated USB chargers,

15:11SPEAKERjust because 45 watts, like the switches,

15:14SPEAKERI think 39 or 29, I can't remember.

15:16SPEAKER- I wanna say the switch is also something weird

15:18SPEAKERand non-standard.

15:19SPEAKER- So the switch is a weird one in that it only,

15:21SPEAKERthe switch brick will fall back to lower powers,

15:26SPEAKERbut the switch only charges at one wattage.

15:28SPEAKERIt won't charge, it charges at basically the lowest

15:31SPEAKERof the low or it's full speed and nothing in between.

15:34SPEAKERThis is just some subset of the USB-C power delivery

15:38SPEAKERstandard, whichever version it was

15:40SPEAKERwhen they released the switch.

15:43SPEAKERI use my steam deck charger to charge almost everything.

15:46SPEAKERI charge my iPad, I charge my phone,

15:48SPEAKERI charge PlayStation controllers with it now.

15:51SPEAKERLike it's, you're fine.

15:53SPEAKER- I've never actually seen a steam deck charger.

15:55SPEAKERI'm going to Google what that looks like right now.

15:57SPEAKER- It's a gray brick with a wire that comes out of it

16:00SPEAKERand then there's a USB-C on the end of the wire.

16:02SPEAKER- Yeah, it sure is.

16:04SPEAKER- It looks, so next to my chair in the living room,

16:07SPEAKERlike hidden behind it in a place that normal people

16:09SPEAKERwon't see unless they're crawling around behind the chair,

16:11SPEAKERthere is a extension cord that runs under the carpet

16:15SPEAKERthat has a switch plug and a steam deck plug.

16:19SPEAKERAnd the switch plug is literally just there

16:21SPEAKER'cause my switch is never charged.

16:22SPEAKERSo when I want to play Mario Kart or something,

16:24SPEAKERI have to plug it in.

16:25SPEAKER- Yeah, I've got a couple of recent MacBook USB-C chargers,

16:28SPEAKERwhich, you know, the Apple chargers

16:30SPEAKERare also extremely high quality

16:31SPEAKERin terms of what devices they'll work with

16:33SPEAKERand how clean they are and so forth.

16:34SPEAKERBut the problem there is just one port.

16:37SPEAKERLike that's the reason I actually look at the third party

16:39SPEAKERones is I want something with like two USB-C

16:42SPEAKERand a USB-A minimum or something like that, you know?

16:44SPEAKER- Wow, fancy.

16:46SPEAKER- I mean, I do enough having to work remotely these days

16:49SPEAKERthat having one thing to plug in for everything

16:51SPEAKERis very appealing.

16:53SPEAKER- So when I travel, if I'm going someplace for a while,

16:57SPEAKERI often will take like a cube power strip.

16:59SPEAKERI've talked about them before, these Anker power strips.

17:01SPEAKERThey're 45 watt or 30 watt power delivery,

17:05SPEAKERwhich is good for all the devices, but not,

17:07SPEAKERand it'll like do an overnight or slow charge

17:09SPEAKERon the steam deck or the iPad,

17:11SPEAKERbut it won't charge it while you're using it.

17:14SPEAKERWhich is the kind of the gate that I think

17:16SPEAKERyou're talking about.

17:17SPEAKER- Yeah, there are so many of these now.

17:20SPEAKERWe shouldn't digress too much here,

17:21SPEAKERbut I've tried a couple of times to buy one of these

17:24SPEAKERand between compatibility and heat issues

17:26SPEAKERon the user reviews, I just always kind of give up.

17:29SPEAKERBut Amazon is just flooded with multi-port USB-C chargers

17:33SPEAKERthese days.

17:33SPEAKER- Well, so this is why I only buy them from specific brands

17:36SPEAKERbecause they're kind of,

17:37SPEAKERthere's a lot of kind of sketchy business there.

17:39SPEAKER- Yeah, I'm with you, but even with like even the Ankers,

17:41SPEAKERyou will see enough people talking about issues

17:43SPEAKERthat I always get scared away

17:44SPEAKER'cause I don't wanna fry anything, but anyway.

17:47SPEAKER- So I have a couple of the Anker two-port USB-C bricks

17:50SPEAKERthat have one 40 watt and one lesser,

17:53SPEAKERand those have been really reliable.

17:54SPEAKERI think those are what I take

17:55SPEAKERif I'm like overnighting someplace.

17:57SPEAKER- Yeah, I think it's the ones that get into really high,

18:00SPEAKERreally high output that start getting kind of sketchy

18:02SPEAKER'cause there's like, you can get like 200 watt ones now.

18:05SPEAKER- Oh yeah.

18:06SPEAKERIt's not gonna be long before we plug in our cars with USB-C.

18:09SPEAKER- Yup, yup.

18:11SPEAKER- But seriously, everybody should watch

18:12SPEAKERthat non-Euclidean Doom video, it's really good.

18:15SPEAKER- All right, question from Hansel CJ.

18:18SPEAKERWill's mentioned multiple times that he never finds sites

18:20SPEAKERthat don't work right on Firefox.

18:22SPEAKERI also use Firefox, but find myself opening another browser

18:26SPEAKERto get a website to work nearly weekly.

18:28SPEAKERI run a pie hole, which I believe you do too.

18:31SPEAKERI also have privacy badger

18:32SPEAKERand have the Firefox privacy settings turned up pretty high.

18:35SPEAKERThat might be the difference in our experience.

18:38SPEAKERWhat additional privacy and security measures do you take?

18:41SPEAKER- So I use Firefox and a pie hole, correct.

18:45SPEAKERI also have uBlock Origin installed locally

18:47SPEAKERon the Firefox, on Firefox.

18:50SPEAKERI don't have Firefox browser privacy set to strict

18:54SPEAKER'cause that turns off all tracking content

18:59SPEAKERand finger printers and it makes almost everything break

19:02SPEAKERin my experience.

19:03SPEAKERSo my guess is that that's probably

19:05SPEAKERwhat's breaking everything.

19:06SPEAKERI find that, sorry, it's the suspected finger printers

19:11SPEAKER'cause that causes a lot of JavaScript stuff to just break.

19:16SPEAKERAnd it turns out most websites use JavaScript

19:18SPEAKERto render things these days

19:19SPEAKERand without that, things are bad.

19:23SPEAKERI don't know, I've never used privacy badger before.

19:24SPEAKERHave you Brad?

19:25SPEAKER- I have not, I don't even know exactly what that is.

19:30SPEAKERI could guess though.

19:31SPEAKER- So privacy badger is a tool made by the EFF

19:33SPEAKERto block tracking cookies.

19:34SPEAKER- Oh, it's EFF?

19:36SPEAKER- EFF, yeah.

19:37SPEAKERThe Electronic Frontier Foundation, I think.

19:39SPEAKER- Yep, that's them.

19:41SPEAKERIt also uses heuristics to block things

19:43SPEAKERthat it thinks are trackers, which could be problematic.

19:48SPEAKERI don't, I feel like Firefox's tracking blocking

19:51SPEAKERis pretty good.

19:53SPEAKERSo I wouldn't, I feel like you're double dipping.

19:56SPEAKERI feel like something like privacy badger

19:58SPEAKERis much more important on Chrome or Edge

20:00SPEAKERprobably than it is on Firefox, but I don't know for sure.

20:04SPEAKER- That's fair.

20:05SPEAKER- Yeah.

20:06SPEAKER- The more you know.

20:08SPEAKERI've had Firefox installed for like a month or two now

20:10SPEAKERand I keep thinking about switching to it and then not.

20:14SPEAKER- You should switch, it's great.

20:14SPEAKER- Yeah.

20:16SPEAKER- Let's get up to 3% market share.

20:18SPEAKER- Who has the time?

20:19SPEAKER- Let's go Firefox.

20:20SPEAKER- There's like so many things I would like to do like that

20:22SPEAKERor like reworking my home network,

20:24SPEAKERbut it's also disruptive to my workflow

20:26SPEAKERthat can't be disrupted.

20:27SPEAKERYou know what I mean?

20:28SPEAKER- Yeah, I mean, that is a real thing.

20:30SPEAKER- That is the perennial problem is redoing things

20:33SPEAKERstops you from doing things.

20:36SPEAKERYou know what I mean?

20:37SPEAKER- I cleaned up my Twitch streaming machine the other day.

20:39SPEAKER- Okay.

20:40SPEAKER- It feels real good.

20:41SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah, it always does feel good

20:42SPEAKERto get stuff like that done.

20:44SPEAKEROkay, question from Fortune.

20:46SPEAKERMy new PC case has no RGB and no glass side panel.

20:49SPEAKERIt's a black box with no lights.

20:51SPEAKERHow much performance have I sacrificed

20:53SPEAKERby using a setup like this?

20:55SPEAKER- Wow, I'm so sorry for your loss.

20:56SPEAKER- Look, man, whatever.

20:57SPEAKER- So slow.

20:58SPEAKER- Whatever performance you may be giving up,

21:00SPEAKERyou are more than making back in basic dignity.

21:04SPEAKER- Wow, right now my case looks like the Northern lights

21:08SPEAKERbecause I like the Aurora Borealis.

21:10SPEAKER- My case, I can't even, it just, it doesn't exist to me.

21:14SPEAKER- I showed somebody, we had somebody

21:17SPEAKERat the PC World office that he was looking

21:19SPEAKERfor a case for a project and I was like,

21:20SPEAKER"Oh, they wanted something that was easy to work."

21:23SPEAKERAnd I was like, "You should look at this case right here."

21:25SPEAKERAnd we pulled the other one out and they looked at it

21:27SPEAKERand they were like, "Good God, how many computers

21:29SPEAKER"do you fit in that thing?"

21:31SPEAKERLike one, the big case.

21:34SPEAKER- Which case was that?

21:35SPEAKER- Your define.

21:35SPEAKER- It was mine?

21:36SPEAKER- It was one like yours.

21:38SPEAKER- But it's just a black monolith though.

21:40SPEAKERI don't even know what it is there.

21:41SPEAKERIt's invisible.

21:42SPEAKERIt might as well be invisible.

21:43SPEAKER- Until you have to lift it up

21:43SPEAKERand then you need back surgery.

21:46SPEAKER- It's not that bad, really not that bad.

21:48SPEAKERActually, my define R6, which is dramatically smaller

21:50SPEAKERthan this is heavier than this.

21:52SPEAKER- I mean, that density is high.

21:54SPEAKER- Frankly, I think they were using sturdier metals

21:56SPEAKERin the older models because this one's got a lot more flex

21:59SPEAKERto it, which I don't necessarily love.

22:01SPEAKER- Doesn't your define R6 also have a lot

22:03SPEAKERof hard drives in it?

22:04SPEAKER- Well, yeah, but even without that, that's just a heavy case.

22:08SPEAKER- Okay.

22:08SPEAKER- I think they used to have more metal in these things.

22:11SPEAKER- Yeah, I mean, look, the thing about the RGB though,

22:14SPEAKERis just like having better skins makes you better

22:16SPEAKERat Counter Strike or Valorant.

22:19SPEAKERHaving RGB definitely improves performance in video games.

22:22SPEAKER- I think the thing that I have a harder time with,

22:24SPEAKEReven than the RGB these days, is the insistence

22:26SPEAKERof everyone to put their computers on their desks.

22:28SPEAKER- That's a youth, that's a Gen Z thing.

22:31SPEAKER- I know what it is.

22:32SPEAKERIt's a Twitch thing.

22:33SPEAKERI want to show this thing off on my stream thing.

22:35SPEAKER- I don't have enough room behind me to put mine up

22:37SPEAKERis the only problem.

22:38SPEAKER- That's the thing, like the desk is for doing stuff on.

22:41SPEAKERThat's why the computer goes on the floor.

22:43SPEAKER- Like if you want to have it in your shot,

22:44SPEAKERyou got to have the, like the wires have got to be real long.

22:47SPEAKERIt's like, I don't know, man.

22:49SPEAKERIt's a lot.

22:50SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah.

22:52SPEAKER- So I have a question for you, Brad.

22:53SPEAKER- Okay.

22:54SPEAKER- Do you remember when memory, like we were trying

22:56SPEAKERto figure out when memory got all RGB'd.

22:59SPEAKER- Memory?

23:00SPEAKER- Memory, RAM.

23:01SPEAKER- Yeah.

23:03SPEAKER- And like 2007, 2008, we were looking at old magazines.

23:06SPEAKERWe couldn't find RGB memory.

23:08SPEAKERI remember it happening before I left Maximum PC in 2010.

23:12SPEAKER- Wait, really?

23:13SPEAKERI feel like that was a,

23:14SPEAKERI thought that was a pretty recent phenomenon.

23:16SPEAKER- No, I think we still were making fun of it though

23:18SPEAKERwhen I left Maximum PC.

23:19SPEAKERI don't think it was a thing that was a desirable.

23:21SPEAKER- Or maybe what I'm thinking of is the fake RAM.

23:25SPEAKER- What do you mean the fake RAM?

23:26SPEAKER- Don't they make like fake RAM department?

23:28SPEAKERThat can't be right.

23:29SPEAKERPopulate your extra slots with.

23:31SPEAKERI thought I read that there was like dummy RAM

23:32SPEAKERyou could put in, but wouldn't that cause issues?

23:34SPEAKER- RAM Bus, you used to have,

23:37SPEAKERyou used to have to put terminators

23:38SPEAKERin slots you weren't using.

23:41SPEAKERThey were like little flat.

23:42SPEAKERThey were just cards with just a little terminators on them.

23:46SPEAKER- Wait, hang on, hang on.

23:48SPEAKERI think this is in fact a thing.

23:50SPEAKERIt absolutely is a thing.

23:51SPEAKER- Faux memory?

23:52SPEAKER- It is absolutely a thing.

23:53SPEAKERI am looking at it on Amazon right now.

23:55SPEAKERCorsair Vengeance RGB Pro Light Enhancement Kit,

23:58SPEAKERmemory not included.

24:00SPEAKER- Well, hold on, but isn't that something you put

24:01SPEAKERon top of your existing memory?

24:04SPEAKER- Maybe.

24:05SPEAKEROkay, yes, I think you're right actually.

24:07SPEAKERMaybe this is what I was thinking of.

24:09SPEAKERThis appears to be an RGB add-on for your RAM.

24:12SPEAKER- Yeah, see that looks sick, dude.

24:13SPEAKER- I'd swear though,

24:14SPEAKERbut I don't know how that would work electrically.

24:16SPEAKERLike that seems like that would cause issues

24:17SPEAKERwith memory detection to put like fake dummy DIMMs in.

24:21SPEAKER- No, you're right.

24:22SPEAKERIt says two light enhancement modules

24:23SPEAKERto fill your empty DDR4 slots

24:25SPEAKERwith the same RGB lighting effects

24:26SPEAKERof your existing Vengeance Pro memory modules.

24:29SPEAKER- There you go.

24:30SPEAKER- This seems like it would make your machine unstable.

24:32SPEAKER- This has gone too far.

24:33SPEAKERRGB has gone too far.

24:35SPEAKER- Hey, Brad, you know,

24:36SPEAKERI've never seen this box before on Amazon,

24:38SPEAKERbut it says frequently returned item.

24:40SPEAKERCheck the product details and customer reviews

24:42SPEAKERto learn more about this item.

24:43SPEAKER- Wow, you don't say.

24:45SPEAKER- Weird.

24:46SPEAKERI don't feel good about this.

24:48SPEAKER- I've said this before.

24:49SPEAKERWhat is the, okay, we both grew up in the South.

24:51SPEAKERI'm sure you're well acquainted

24:52SPEAKERwith the phrase children should be seen and not heard.

24:55SPEAKER- Yeah, my parents didn't ascribe to that though.

24:57SPEAKER- Okay, I got that one.

24:58SPEAKERI got that one from my dad on occasion,

25:00SPEAKERsomewhat tongue in cheek.

25:02SPEAKER- Yeah.

25:03SPEAKER- It wasn't enforced, let's say.

25:04SPEAKERIt was more of a warning, let's say.

25:07SPEAKER- If my dad did that,

25:08SPEAKERit would be like when we were on a long car ride

25:10SPEAKERand we were demanding burgers.

25:12SPEAKER- Right.

25:12SPEAKER- You know, like we were on a road trip

25:13SPEAKERand we were like hungry and he's like,

25:14SPEAKERwe're gonna drive two more hours

25:16SPEAKERbefore we stop and get food and gas.

25:18SPEAKER- Anyway, I need some computer RGB equivalent of that phrase.

25:24SPEAKERComputers should be used and not noticed.

25:26SPEAKER- Look, Brad, you need to just embrace the RGB.

25:29SPEAKERYou need to let me come in there

25:31SPEAKERand just bling up your business.

25:32SPEAKERYou could get a glass side for that define.

25:36SPEAKERYou could, you know,

25:38SPEAKERyou could put some subtle lights in there.

25:41SPEAKERYou know, it'd be really nice and classy.

25:42SPEAKER- Yep.

25:44SPEAKERI, you know, speaking of what we were just discussing,

25:46SPEAKERhere's a relevant question from Warbird.

25:49SPEAKERHow did you two facilitate your interest in tech

25:51SPEAKERand similar growing up in the South?

25:53SPEAKERWere you able to meet and share your hobbies with peers?

25:56SPEAKEROn text, I was raised in South Alabama

25:58SPEAKERand while we were neither particularly poor

26:00SPEAKERnor particularly rural for the region,

26:02SPEAKERhaving an interest in computers wasn't really viable

26:05SPEAKERfrom an accessibility or frequently a social standpoint.

26:10SPEAKER- Yeah, I had just broken through into the normies

26:14SPEAKERin high school at the time I discovered computers.

26:16SPEAKERAnd so if I wanted to go talk to the computer people,

26:19SPEAKERI had to be real slick about it and like sneak off

26:21SPEAKERand like meet behind the field house on the football field.

26:27SPEAKERAnd, you know, that's when I, the one kid in my high school

26:31SPEAKERthat lived in the, in the, in the like,

26:35SPEAKERbasically the only message boards, not message boards.

26:41SPEAKER- BBS's?

26:42SPEAKER- BBS's were in Bluntville,

26:44SPEAKERwhich was a long distance call for everybody

26:46SPEAKERwho lived in Bristol, the town that I grew up in.

26:50SPEAKERSo the one kid who lived in Bluntville

26:52SPEAKERand had a computer and a modem

26:54SPEAKERwas basically a god amongst us.

26:55SPEAKER'Cause he would come in with like, you would bring him

26:58SPEAKERblank floppy disks and he'd just bring you software.

27:01SPEAKERAnd, and so you'd meet him someplace seedy

27:04SPEAKERwhere normal people, where normies wouldn't see you.

27:06SPEAKERAnd then you'd hide those floppy disks

27:07SPEAKERin your backpack real deep

27:09SPEAKERso that they wouldn't accidentally spill out.

27:10SPEAKERNow you as a huge nerd.

27:12SPEAKER- Did you wear a trench coat?

27:14SPEAKER- No, this was before trench coats.

27:16SPEAKER- Imagining a trench coat lined with floppy disks

27:18SPEAKERon the inside?

27:19SPEAKER- Look, remember there was like a two year period

27:21SPEAKERwhen trench coats were okay.

27:22SPEAKERHe wore a trench, he was absolutely a trench coat guy.

27:25SPEAKERLucas was a trench coat guy.

27:27SPEAKER- Sure, sure.

27:27SPEAKER- Shout out to Lucas, by the way.

27:29SPEAKER- Yes, I mean, I was into games from the time

27:31SPEAKERI touched on Atari 2600 at somewhere around the age of four.

27:34SPEAKERLike that's kind of all I cared about,

27:36SPEAKERbut games were accessible no matter where you live, right?

27:39SPEAKERLike, you know, we had department stores, right?

27:43SPEAKERLike we were not that rural.

27:46SPEAKER- Yeah, like Hills had a pretty good Nintendo

27:49SPEAKERand Sega system set up.

27:51SPEAKER- Yes, like the local roses was the place we went

27:54SPEAKERto look at video games for the longest time.

27:56SPEAKER- Yeah, but we never had like turbo graphics

27:58SPEAKERor 3DO or anything.

27:58SPEAKERLike we never had access to anything like that.

28:00SPEAKERWe definitely didn't have access to PC games

28:03SPEAKERuntil after I had already left.

28:04SPEAKER- Yeah, I don't know how,

28:05SPEAKERI think we've talked about it before.

28:06SPEAKERI don't know how much the regional department store

28:08SPEAKERwas a Southern phenomenon versus a national one.

28:10SPEAKER- I think like, you mean like the Belks and the-

28:14SPEAKER- Well, Belks is national rights,

28:16SPEAKERor I know JC Penney is national, but-

28:18SPEAKER- JC Penney is national, Sears was national.

28:20SPEAKER- Belks might actually be regional.

28:22SPEAKERI'm thinking more of the standalone-

28:23SPEAKER- Oh, like the Hills and the roses and all that.

28:25SPEAKER- Roses, Brindles, I'm trying to think of some other-

28:28SPEAKER- Service merchandise, did you have them?

28:30SPEAKER- We did not have that, but-

28:31SPEAKER- Oh, service merchandise was great.

28:33SPEAKER- The reason I ask is those department stores

28:36SPEAKERin my experience were very good

28:38SPEAKERabout having game consoles set up to play.

28:41SPEAKER- Yeah.

28:42SPEAKER- Like all the ones I can think of,

28:43SPEAKERlike I just remember a lot of like demo kiosks,

28:45SPEAKERa little 13 inch TV and a console just sitting there

28:47SPEAKERthat you could actually play a game on

28:49SPEAKERwhile your parents were shopping.

28:50SPEAKER- I think that was a nationwide marketing phenomenon

28:53SPEAKERbecause like you think about it,

28:55SPEAKERI have to imagine that they had a demo,

28:58SPEAKERlike Nintendo said,

28:59SPEAKER"Hey, here's the recommended way to display this."

29:01SPEAKERAnd then they would say, "Here's the game this month."

29:03SPEAKERAnd they'd send them a free,

29:05SPEAKERI wonder if they sent them retail games for that,

29:07SPEAKERor if they were just some weird version of a game.

29:10SPEAKER- I would guess retail.

29:11SPEAKER- Yeah, 'cause I guess those cartridges would be out

29:14SPEAKERand we'd be able to download ROMs and stuff by now.

29:16SPEAKER- Yes, like those would be in the collecting scene

29:18SPEAKERif there were like department store versions of games.

29:21SPEAKER- Yeah, but like Hills always had demo stations set up

29:25SPEAKERand that was like that was what I would do

29:27SPEAKERwhile mom was off buying shoes or clothes or something.

29:31SPEAKER- Right, anyway, I didn't get into computers

29:33SPEAKERuntil like late '93

29:35SPEAKERwas when we first got our first family computer.

29:38SPEAKERAnd by then it was certainly computers and like online stuff

29:41SPEAKERwere not ubiquitous at that point,

29:43SPEAKERbut like magazines were out there,

29:45SPEAKERlike we got a modem like a year after we got the computer

29:48SPEAKERand then I got onto BBSs.

29:49SPEAKERSo like, and I mean,

29:51SPEAKERI certainly didn't live in the biggest town ever,

29:52SPEAKERbut like we weirdly had kind of a lot of BBSs

29:55SPEAKERfor the size of the town.

29:56SPEAKERWe have like three different local call BBSs.

30:00SPEAKER- Was there a college near you?

30:02SPEAKER- Kind of, but not in the local calling area.

30:05SPEAKER- Okay, so I think this is the difference between '93

30:08SPEAKERand like '91, '92, which is when,

30:12SPEAKERlike we had an IBM XT that was kind of passed down

30:15SPEAKERfrom family members that I played.

30:18SPEAKERIt was like, I think we had a Hercules monochrome display

30:21SPEAKERthat I played like M1A1 tank platoon and stuff like that on.

30:26SPEAKERThe, that was the one that I would trade disks for

30:29SPEAKERwhen I was like a sophomore in high school probably.

30:32SPEAKERThe Wang that I got toward the end of high school,

30:36SPEAKERthe Wang 386 that had windows on it

30:39SPEAKERwas much more accessible.

30:41SPEAKERAnd that, around then is when computer shows started.

30:44SPEAKERSo we started having like a computer show would come

30:48SPEAKERto the local VA and they would set up,

30:52SPEAKERlike there would be people there with folding tables

30:55SPEAKERand trays full of software and Ziplocs.

30:58SPEAKERAnd it would be like a mixture of people

31:01SPEAKERwho were resellers of software who would buy software

31:03SPEAKERfrom other people and then resell it to people

31:04SPEAKERon the kind of computer show circuit,

31:06SPEAKERor also the people like the publishers

31:09SPEAKERwould show up there sometimes.

31:10SPEAKERSo it would be like, hey, here's a Ziploc

31:12SPEAKERwith three RPGs in it from some publisher

31:16SPEAKERyou probably have never heard of.

31:16SPEAKEROr maybe, hell, who knows?

31:18SPEAKERIt could have been Activision at this point for all I know.

31:20SPEAKERThe other thing that happened around that time was,

31:25SPEAKERwell, actually, and probably as a result of going

31:27SPEAKERto those computer stores is I learned

31:28SPEAKERabout the local screwdriver shops.

31:30SPEAKERSo like Shields Electronics was a ham radio place,

31:33SPEAKERa ham radio and electronic supply store

31:35SPEAKERthat also expanded into PCs in that early '90s time

31:40SPEAKERwhen working on ATPCs was a real business.

31:43SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah, I think I've said this before,

31:45SPEAKERbut yes, the local computer store where you got your stuff

31:48SPEAKERwas absolutely a vector for learning about things

31:50SPEAKERthat were cool before the internet was a thing.

31:53SPEAKERLike I'm pretty sure I've said before

31:55SPEAKERwhen we got our Pentium 75, the guy who sold it to us

31:58SPEAKERshowed me how to overclock it

31:59SPEAKERbefore we took it out of the store.

32:01SPEAKERHe showed me what's a jumper to change

32:02SPEAKERto make it into a Pentium 90 or 100.

32:05SPEAKER- So we bought the Wang at Walmart, I think.

32:08SPEAKERIt was on a New Year's sale.

32:10SPEAKERI did not get, the Walmart guy did not show me

32:12SPEAKERhow to overclock the 386.

32:13SPEAKER- And he was just selling you short.

32:16SPEAKER- But like I learned about Boot Magazine

32:18SPEAKERfrom the screwdriver shop in Knoxville.

32:19SPEAKERLike my guy at the screwdriver shop there was like,

32:21SPEAKERhey, have you seen this new magazine?

32:22SPEAKERYou should check it out, it's really cool.

32:24SPEAKERAnd like that changed my life, so.

32:26SPEAKER- I think the lesson is if you're passionate enough

32:28SPEAKERabout something, you will find ways to access it

32:30SPEAKERin some way or other, you know.

32:32SPEAKER- Yeah, it's much easier now with the internet though,

32:33SPEAKERit turns out. - Yeah, of course, of course.

32:36SPEAKERI've had an idea as we've been discussing this.

32:38SPEAKER- Yes. - A bit tangential to this.

32:40SPEAKEROkay, there are a bunch of old hard drives

32:42SPEAKERat my parents' house pulled from our first series

32:46SPEAKERof computers through the first like 10 years of computers.

32:50SPEAKER- Yeah. - The hardware is long gone,

32:51SPEAKERwhich is one of the great regrets of my life.

32:53SPEAKERLike I could go back six or seven years ago

32:56SPEAKERwhen my mom called me up and was just like,

32:57SPEAKERhey, can we just e-waste all these old computers

32:59SPEAKERthat are down here in the basement?

33:00SPEAKERAnd I was like, yeah, just take the hard drives

33:01SPEAKERout of them first. - Yeah.

33:03SPEAKER- I would give anything if I could go back

33:04SPEAKERand smack myself in the face because retro computing

33:07SPEAKERbecame a thing right after that.

33:08SPEAKERAnd I would give anything to be able to just go look

33:10SPEAKERat those things and be like, oh, that's how I overclocked

33:12SPEAKERthat Pentium 75 or like, oh, this is what kind

33:14SPEAKERof display adapter was in that 486 DLC, you know?

33:18SPEAKER- Oh, yeah, sure. - As a historical document.

33:20SPEAKERAnyway, whatever, I still have the hard drives.

33:23SPEAKERHere's the thought I have had.

33:24SPEAKERI've wanted to try to spin those things up for years

33:26SPEAKERto get whatever files are on them off.

33:28SPEAKER- And they're probably like 25, 50 meg hard drives, right?

33:31SPEAKER- I believe our first hard drive in that 486

33:33SPEAKERwas a 250 megabyte hard drive. - Yeah.

33:36SPEAKER- The biggest one is probably like four gigabytes

33:38SPEAKERor something from several years later.

33:39SPEAKERAnyway, I've always wanted to spin those things up

33:41SPEAKERand get the files off, which I'm kind of nervous about

33:44SPEAKER'cause they're so old and I don't know if they'll actually

33:45SPEAKERbe able to spin up or not.

33:47SPEAKERHere's the thing I thought of though.

33:49SPEAKERI was just gonna get like whatever documents

33:50SPEAKERand like images and whatever is on there off,

33:52SPEAKERlike personal stuff.

33:54SPEAKERCan I boot those drives?

33:55SPEAKERCan I image that original 486 drive,

34:00SPEAKERwhich is a DOS 622 Windows 3.1 install?

34:03SPEAKERIf I'm not mistaken, I don't think we ever tried

34:05SPEAKERto put Windows 95 on that.

34:07SPEAKERCan I like image that drive and try to boot it

34:08SPEAKERwith something like 86 box?

34:10SPEAKER- I would think so.

34:11SPEAKER- There's got to be a way to do that, right?

34:12SPEAKERThere's got to be a way to take like an existing

34:14SPEAKERhard drive image and feed it into one of these PC emulators

34:17SPEAKERand just boot it, right?

34:18SPEAKER- Probably it would just boot with a VM.

34:21SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah.

34:22SPEAKER- 'Cause you could set the VM to have ancient hardware

34:24SPEAKERand I mean, you probably wouldn't have sound

34:26SPEAKERand stuff like that, but it would probably boot.

34:28SPEAKER- I guess there's gotta be a way to do that.

34:30SPEAKERLike my only experience with creating VMs

34:32SPEAKERis that you start with install media, right?

34:34SPEAKERLike you take like the installer disk

34:36SPEAKERand then install a fresh copy of an operating system.

34:39SPEAKER- But you can port an existing physical machine over.

34:42SPEAKERIt's part of the value prop for early VM use.

34:45SPEAKER- Oh my God, I have to do this.

34:47SPEAKER- I wonder, I kind of wonder what the oldest OS

34:50SPEAKERyou can boot on like a Ryzen 7800 is.

34:56SPEAKER- I don't know.

34:58SPEAKER- I wonder, could you do DOS 5.1?

35:00SPEAKER- I mean, a lot of it, well 6.1 or 6.2 is probably,

35:04SPEAKERyou probably want to do the most,

35:06SPEAKERwell, but DOS like would not be that driver dependent.

35:08SPEAKERLike that's really the...

35:10SPEAKER- But it has kernel stuff, right?

35:12SPEAKER- The hurdle really in a lot of cases

35:13SPEAKERwould be the driver support, right?

35:15SPEAKERLike if you'd like motherboard ships at,

35:17SPEAKERdisplay it after whatever, like the old operating system

35:21SPEAKERjust doesn't know how to talk to the new hardware.

35:22SPEAKERBut in terms of like BIOS and UEFI stuff,

35:25SPEAKERI'm actually not sure.

35:26SPEAKER- Well, there's secure boot problems probably, right?

35:28SPEAKER- Yeah, I don't know.

35:29SPEAKERYouTube recommendations are all over the place.

35:30SPEAKERI was actually just watching a video the other day

35:32SPEAKERabout modern CPU's that apparently all modern CPU's

35:36SPEAKERstill when they are first supplied power,

35:39SPEAKERthey still start up in 16-bit real mode.

35:42SPEAKER- Really?

35:43SPEAKER- Before they hand off to like UEFI and current.

35:46SPEAKERSo I don't know how much backwards compatibility,

35:49SPEAKERbut I think the newest computers don't have

35:52SPEAKERlike traditional BIOS mode anymore, right?

35:54SPEAKER- I don't believe so, but I don't know.

35:56SPEAKER- I don't know how much like emulation can take place there

35:58SPEAKERor like we're way out of our depth here,

36:00SPEAKERbut I don't think you could boot

36:02SPEAKERa 30-year-old operating system on a current computer,

36:05SPEAKERbut I could be wrong.

36:06SPEAKER- I'm gonna add this to the list of ideas

36:08SPEAKERfor PC World videos.

36:09SPEAKER- Yeah, that sounds fun.

36:11SPEAKERIf anybody has any info that they'd like to hit me with

36:13SPEAKERabout turning an old hard drive image

36:15SPEAKERinto a virtual machine, I would love to hear it though,

36:17SPEAKER'cause that sounds very fun.

36:19SPEAKERAnyway, that's probably enough prattle about that.

36:22SPEAKER- Yep.

36:24SPEAKER- Here is a question from Tri.

36:26SPEAKERIn a few months, I'm taking a long haul flight

36:28SPEAKERfor a holiday, which will be about 13 hours.

36:32SPEAKERYou have any tips and or must haves for flights this long?

36:35SPEAKER- And I just wear a mask and try not to breathe too much.

36:39SPEAKER- Yeah, I also mask on airplanes,

36:41SPEAKERalthough I was looking recently

36:43SPEAKERinto what the air circulation is like on,

36:47SPEAKERactually-

36:48SPEAKER- They're pretty good.

36:49SPEAKER- This is something I did not realize.

36:50SPEAKERThis, I mean, I probably should have realized this before.

36:55SPEAKERI didn't realize that modern airplanes

36:56SPEAKERor maybe all airplanes collect air from outside

36:59SPEAKERand condense it and pipe it into the airplane.

37:02SPEAKER- Yeah.

37:03SPEAKER- Some kind of like air exchanger situation.

37:06SPEAKER- Yeah, but I mean, look, the people who,

37:09SPEAKERthe gate agents who have to open the door from the outside

37:12SPEAKERstill trick new gate agents by telling them

37:14SPEAKERto get up right up close to the door when they open it

37:16SPEAKERso they get hit with the fart smell.

37:18SPEAKER- Oh no.

37:18SPEAKER- As soon as they crack the seal.

37:20SPEAKER- Oh no.

37:20SPEAKER- Yeah, so it's still condensing other things too

37:24SPEAKERis all I'm saying.

37:25SPEAKER- That's not great, that's not great.

37:26SPEAKERThe thing I was reading about though is, you know,

37:28SPEAKERthe air density obviously is very low at that altitude.

37:30SPEAKER- Yeah.

37:31SPEAKER- But they're literally sort of just like scooping

37:32SPEAKERwhat air there is and pressurizing it

37:35SPEAKERor condensing it before-

37:36SPEAKER- Yeah, it doesn't, well, and it's only,

37:39SPEAKERI think, what is it?

37:40SPEAKERAirliners are pressurized to like 8,000 feet or something.

37:43SPEAKERSo it's not like-

37:44SPEAKER- It's pretty low, yeah.

37:45SPEAKER- Yeah, well, pretty high.

37:48SPEAKER- Oh, about-

37:49SPEAKER- Compared to sea level.

37:50SPEAKER- Pretty low density is what I mean.

37:51SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah, yeah, already that is.

37:53SPEAKER- Yeah.

37:55SPEAKER- So like I take a Steam Deck and an iPad

37:58SPEAKERand some good headphones,

37:59SPEAKERsomething you could wear that's comfortable for a long time.

38:01SPEAKER- Yeah, my recommendation is to update

38:03SPEAKERand charge every device you own

38:05SPEAKERand bring all of them with you

38:05SPEAKERand then not use 90% of them.

38:07SPEAKER- Yeah, that's always a good, that's a classic move.

38:10SPEAKER- That's kind of what I ended up doing.

38:12SPEAKER- I usually, I make sure I have a couple of books

38:15SPEAKERand then I make sure I have, I often,

38:18SPEAKERespecially in the days of the AirPods,

38:20SPEAKERI'll take a pair of AirPods

38:21SPEAKERand I'll also take a pair of on-ear headphones

38:23SPEAKER'cause I have a hard time wearing AirPods

38:24SPEAKERfor like two, three hours is no problem,

38:27SPEAKERbut 10 hours is a lot.

38:29SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah, I mean, to answer the question seriously,

38:31SPEAKERnoise canceling headphones are a must for me.

38:35SPEAKER- They are, it sounds dopey,

38:37SPEAKERbut the noise canceling headphones

38:38SPEAKERare a significant life improvement.

38:40SPEAKER- Oh, it's huge.

38:41SPEAKER- They remove the noise of the airplane,

38:42SPEAKERwhich turns out is stressful.

38:44SPEAKER- Yes, it's very nice

38:45SPEAKERto not have to listen to that for 13 hours.

38:47SPEAKERI'd say look up the airliner flying

38:50SPEAKERand see what they offer in flight.

38:52SPEAKER- Yeah.

38:53SPEAKER- Like I've flown a lot of American the last few years

38:56SPEAKERand they have started just giving you free stuff to watch,

38:59SPEAKERbut on your own device,

39:00SPEAKERwhich you're gonna have a device with you.

39:02SPEAKERLike I see a lot of people watching stuff on their phones

39:04SPEAKERand you definitely will have a phone with you,

39:05SPEAKERso that's not a thing,

39:06SPEAKERbut you might wanna bring a tablet if you have one

39:08SPEAKERbecause that's what I use.

39:11SPEAKERLike they've got, I end up,

39:13SPEAKERlike when I fly cross country on American,

39:15SPEAKERI basically ended up watching like two documentaries

39:17SPEAKERand that's kind of how I fill the time on my iPad,

39:20SPEAKERwhich is pretty nice.

39:22SPEAKER- The thing I'll say is if you don't take a tablet,

39:24SPEAKERtake something with a stand

39:26SPEAKER'cause holding your phone for four hours

39:28SPEAKERwhile you're watching a movie or whatever sucks.

39:32SPEAKER- So I can't speak for every airline,

39:34SPEAKERbut American now on every flight,

39:35SPEAKERevery plane I've been on for the last three years

39:37SPEAKERhas got a fold down stand

39:39SPEAKERfrom the back of the headrest in front of it.

39:40SPEAKER- Oh, that's nice.

39:41SPEAKER- That'll hold a tablet or a phone.

39:43SPEAKER- See when we flew Alaska cross country last time

39:46SPEAKERand they did not have that.

39:48SPEAKERSo I ended up using my iPad with the keyboard

39:50SPEAKERand just propped it up.

39:51SPEAKER- Yeah.

39:52SPEAKER- Yeah.

39:55SPEAKERSteam Deck is good.

39:56SPEAKERRemember your seats have power

39:58SPEAKERon most newer airplanes now.

40:00SPEAKER- I wonder how many airplanes are even in service

40:02SPEAKERthat don't have power at the seat at this point.

40:04SPEAKER- Well, it depends on whether you fly Southwest or not.

40:06SPEAKER- Yeah, sure.

40:07SPEAKER- But often it's between,

40:10SPEAKERit's often it's low.

40:11SPEAKERYou think it would be in the seat

40:12SPEAKERback in front of you or something,

40:13SPEAKERbut usually it's between like you

40:15SPEAKERand the person next to you in the middle.

40:17SPEAKERAnd the thing you should know

40:18SPEAKERis that on every plane I've ever been on,

40:19SPEAKERunless you're in first class or business class,

40:22SPEAKERthose power outlets turn on and off over like,

40:26SPEAKERso you'll have them on for like a third of the time.

40:28SPEAKERAnd then they turn on different seats at different times.

40:31SPEAKERSo if your power keeps flickering on and off,

40:33SPEAKERit's nothing you're doing wrong.

40:34SPEAKERIt's just the way the plane works.

40:35SPEAKER- Yeah.

40:38SPEAKERDefectus, this is an interesting topic.

40:41SPEAKERI just saw that Switzerland made a decision

40:43SPEAKERthat it's now mandatory for all software

40:45SPEAKERused in the public sector to be open source.

40:48SPEAKERHow do you think this would be implemented

40:49SPEAKERand is it a good idea?

40:51SPEAKERHe provided a link here.

40:53SPEAKERIt's the federal law on the use of electronic means

40:57SPEAKERfor the fulfillment of governmental tasks.

40:59SPEAKER- And then the abbreviation is MBAG,

41:02SPEAKERwhich I assume is the French or German acronym

41:05SPEAKERfor that same phrase.

41:06SPEAKER- Yeah, it would be German and Switzerland.

41:08SPEAKER- It can be both, right?

41:09SPEAKER- Ah, I don't think.

41:10SPEAKER- I don't know what the official is.

41:11SPEAKER- German, German is the language of Switzerland.

41:15SPEAKER- So this wasn't what I expected it to be.

41:18SPEAKERWe've talked about this in the past,

41:19SPEAKERbut when we were doing the FOSPOD,

41:21SPEAKERwe talked to some folks about a potential episode

41:24SPEAKERthat fell through about the desire of non-US countries

41:32SPEAKERto not build their software infrastructure

41:35SPEAKERon US-owned software, right?

41:39SPEAKERSo--

41:40SPEAKER- Was it US-owned or was it just closed?

41:43SPEAKER- Both, but it was primarily that they didn't want

41:45SPEAKERto build stuff on Microsoft and Google software

41:47SPEAKER'cause they're US companies.

41:49SPEAKERSo the impetus was to build an open source framework

41:53SPEAKERfor governmental entities that didn't,

41:57SPEAKERthat existed outside of the Google

41:59SPEAKERand Microsoft frameworks mostly.

42:03SPEAKERThis is kind of that, but this law specifically

42:07SPEAKERis about anything that is developed by or for

42:12SPEAKERspecifically the public bodies should be open source

42:15SPEAKERunless there's specific reasons not to,

42:17SPEAKERlike rights issues or security concerns.

42:22SPEAKERAnd that you have to disclose,

42:26SPEAKERnot only did the public bodies have to disclose

42:28SPEAKERthe source code that they paid to have created,

42:31SPEAKERbut also they have to offer services related

42:33SPEAKERto support integration and security for that code,

42:37SPEAKERwhich is really interesting at cost, basically,

42:39SPEAKERcost-covering remuneration.

42:43SPEAKERAnd so like there's a whole bunch of stuff

42:46SPEAKERabout not maintaining competitive balance

42:48SPEAKERwith traditional software providers and all that.

42:51SPEAKERIt's really cool.

42:53SPEAKERI think this is a good idea and I like it.

42:55SPEAKER- Yeah.

42:57SPEAKER- Shout-outs to the Swiss.

42:59SPEAKER- Yes, I don't really have a good read

43:02SPEAKERon how our government approaches stuff like this.

43:04SPEAKERI mean, it seems like certainly some

43:07SPEAKERof the three-letter agencies are very invested

43:09SPEAKERin open source.

43:11SPEAKERI don't know why this is my go-to example.

43:12SPEAKERLike SE Linux came out of the government is my understanding.

43:15SPEAKERI believe it was developed by the NSA, I think is which?

43:19SPEAKER- That seems like a good reason to use it.

43:21SPEAKER- Hang on, I wanna, yes.

43:22SPEAKERYes, it was the NSA that developed SE Linux

43:25SPEAKERor looks like Red Hat also, maybe.

43:27SPEAKERMaybe they worked together on that.

43:28SPEAKERBut anyway, anyway, like obviously like certain parts

43:30SPEAKERof the American security state care quite a bit

43:34SPEAKERabout open source, but then you also see,

43:36SPEAKERlike I think the government has like massive

43:38SPEAKERMicrosoft contracts at the same time across other domains.

43:41SPEAKER- Well, I mean, it makes sense.

43:42SPEAKERAnd also they spend a lot of money

43:44SPEAKERon closed cloud implementations of stuff.

43:47SPEAKERLike there's private versions of AWS and Azure

43:50SPEAKERthat the US government taps into.

43:52SPEAKERSo like I think the OSS implementation

43:57SPEAKERwas about not necessarily relying on US cloud companies

44:01SPEAKERto run your business, right?

44:03SPEAKERAnd thus hosting your private governmental stuff

44:06SPEAKERin cloud servers in the US, right?

44:09SPEAKERThat I understand why you would be concerned about that.

44:12SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah, pretty good.

44:13SPEAKER- The other part of it is the open source.

44:17SPEAKERAnd like, I think especially in Latin America,

44:20SPEAKERpeople were interested in building open source alternatives

44:22SPEAKERto this so that they, so that, you know,

44:24SPEAKER'cause the rising tide lifts all the ships is the idea.

44:27SPEAKER- Yep, yep.

44:29SPEAKERThere's another question from Fortune.

44:31SPEAKERRecently I installed an internal card reader

44:33SPEAKERin a friend's PC tower.

44:35SPEAKERI was surprised to see that these peripherals

44:37SPEAKERhave moved with the times and some have features

44:39SPEAKERlike USB-C ports, but almost every unit on the market

44:43SPEAKERis made in the old three and a half inch

44:44SPEAKERfloppy drive form factor.

44:46SPEAKERSince new cases have not had a floppy drive bay

44:48SPEAKERfor a very long time, is this just a ploy

44:51SPEAKERto force customers to also have to buy

44:53SPEAKERa five and a quarter inch optical bay adapter

44:55SPEAKERfor the card reader?

44:56SPEAKEROr is there a genuine reason a modern peripheral

44:58SPEAKERis made in this obsolete form factor?

45:01SPEAKER- I went and looked, I was really surprised

45:03SPEAKER'cause I did not expect to see,

45:05SPEAKERI expected there would be, first off,

45:07SPEAKERhaving five and a quarter inch bays

45:08SPEAKERis increasingly getting unusual on modern case designs.

45:11SPEAKER- Yes, like I had to kind of stretch

45:13SPEAKERto find a case with that last year.

45:15SPEAKER- I've been using external USB card readers

45:19SPEAKERsince the early tested days now, since USB three, basically.

45:25SPEAKERI don't know, I don't know why they would have

45:27SPEAKERthese B 3.5 inch floppy drives, it's a weird shape.

45:30SPEAKER- Yeah, my best guess is that it's just

45:32SPEAKERlowest common denominator.

45:35SPEAKERYou can guarantee that it'll fit in a case

45:39SPEAKERwith only one of those bays if such a thing exists

45:41SPEAKERor you can always get an adapter up to five and a quarter

45:43SPEAKERif necessary, it's just the easiest way

45:46SPEAKERto service the whole market of people

45:48SPEAKERwho would wanna put these in their tower.

45:50SPEAKER- I think there was a period of time in the early 2000s

45:52SPEAKERwhen there were so many three and a quarter,

45:54SPEAKERthree and a half slash five and a quarter inch devices

45:58SPEAKERthat we, I can't remember if we actually did it

46:00SPEAKERor if we just joked about doing it,

46:02SPEAKERbut we were gonna do a big giant tower

46:04SPEAKERwith as many of those as we could

46:06SPEAKERand it was like, you could get audio visualizers,

46:09SPEAKERyou'd hook in between your sound in and out

46:12SPEAKERso they would do fancy car head unit bouncing waves.

46:17SPEAKER- I'm sure that's gonna do great things

46:18SPEAKERfor the cleanliness of your audio output.

46:20SPEAKER- It's not about the cleanliness always.

46:22SPEAKERThere were light and fan controllers,

46:24SPEAKERthere were water pump measures,

46:26SPEAKERthere was a whole ecosystem around water cooling stuff

46:30SPEAKERthat you put in that front bay,

46:32SPEAKERincluding reservoirs and stuff like that

46:34SPEAKERso you could pull them out a little bit

46:35SPEAKERand fill them and stuff like that.

46:37SPEAKERThen there were-

46:38SPEAKER- Audio I/O panels as well.

46:40SPEAKER- Oh yeah, fan controllers, card readers,

46:45SPEAKERUSB, like there was a company that made USB hubs

46:48SPEAKERthat went in the five and a quarter inch bay

46:49SPEAKERthat you'd connect to one of the internal headers

46:51SPEAKERso you'd have like six USB ports

46:52SPEAKERon the front of your computer.

46:54SPEAKERThis is weird.

46:55SPEAKERIt's a weird time, man.

46:55SPEAKER- Yeah, computers were weird in that time,

46:57SPEAKERbut might argue they still are.

46:59SPEAKER- Computers still are weird, yeah.

47:00SPEAKER- Yeah.

47:01SPEAKER- Question from Squibworth, "Corporate email.

47:04SPEAKERWhen's the last time such a ubiquitous end user technology

47:07SPEAKERwas replaced so quickly?

47:09SPEAKERThe transition from email to Slack or similar services

47:12SPEAKERhas seemingly happened overnight

47:13SPEAKERor I've just been slow to notice.

47:16SPEAKERAt my job today, someone tried to start a conversation

47:18SPEAKERabout the product we work on via email.

47:21SPEAKERSo A, I was surprised I even noticed it

47:23SPEAKERand B, I couldn't remember the last time anybody did that.

47:25SPEAKERSeemingly the only things we use email for now

47:27SPEAKERare meeting invites, automated messages,

47:29SPEAKERrandom statuses, and big internal announcements.

47:33SPEAKERAnd of course, tons of external spam and phishing attempts.

47:37SPEAKERAround 10 years ago, I remember describing my job

47:39SPEAKERto a very young relative as going to meetings

47:41SPEAKERand writing emails.

47:43SPEAKERSadly, the meetings haven't gone away too.

47:46SPEAKEREmail was probably still the primary tool

47:48SPEAKERor at least common denominator for external communication,

47:51SPEAKERbut it has completely disappeared as a useful way

47:54SPEAKERto communicate with people inside a corporation."

47:57SPEAKER- Yeah, it's funny 'cause that happened,

48:00SPEAKERlike I've been working remotely for almost 10 years now

48:03SPEAKERand not in a big, giant company.

48:04SPEAKERAnd when I left Tested,

48:06SPEAKERwhich had a big publisher attached to it,

48:08SPEAKERnot a huge, but like 300 people,

48:11SPEAKERemails was still the primary way we communicated.

48:14SPEAKERAnd when we started Foo, we used this new thing called Slack

48:18SPEAKERand I don't think I ever sent an email to people

48:20SPEAKERwho I worked with at Foo the entire time.

48:23SPEAKERIt was only five of us at most, but--

48:25SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah, I think that's the key distinction

48:27SPEAKERthat he makes here is that it has disappeared

48:30SPEAKERas a way to communicate with people inside a company.

48:32SPEAKERLike I still use email constantly

48:35SPEAKERfor intercompany communication,

48:37SPEAKERlike dealing with publishers and stuff like that for games,

48:40SPEAKERbut that was always the distinction to me.

48:43SPEAKERLike it went through chat inside for your coworkers,

48:47SPEAKERbut still, it was still somewhat formal.

48:49SPEAKERLike you want more of a record of,

48:52SPEAKERlike a permanent record when you're--

48:54SPEAKER- Also, I guess the other thing is that

48:56SPEAKERa lot of these services people used

48:57SPEAKERare naturally siloed within an organization now, right?

49:02SPEAKERLike Slack is tied to your organization.

49:04SPEAKERLike it was, now that I'm thinking about it,

49:06SPEAKERwe used AOL and Messenger all the time

49:08SPEAKERto talk to people at other companies back in the day,

49:10SPEAKERbut that was a service that was geared toward

49:12SPEAKERjust slapping people on a friend's list and talking to them.

49:15SPEAKER- Yeah, like we used AOL even into the early whiskey days,

49:20SPEAKERright, the mid-whiskey days.

49:21SPEAKER- Oh yeah.

49:23SPEAKER- The thing for me, like if there's an ongoing project

49:27SPEAKERthat an external person works on,

49:29SPEAKERwe would invite them into our Slack or our teams, right?

49:32SPEAKERSo like you had multiple people in different channels,

49:36SPEAKERbut if I was just, like external relations,

49:38SPEAKERlike talking with Microsoft,

49:39SPEAKERwe never talked at Stray Bomb Bay,

49:42SPEAKERwe never did that via Teams chat.

49:44SPEAKERWe always, that was always an email type thing.

49:46SPEAKERAnd then there's also the kind of third thing,

49:49SPEAKERwhich is like a corporate wiki

49:51SPEAKERor a corporate note-taking place where you could keep like,

49:55SPEAKERso instead of burying everything in an email thread,

49:57SPEAKERyou just open up a shared page

49:59SPEAKERand you share that document to the relevant people

50:01SPEAKERand then everybody works in that same document.

50:02SPEAKERAnd it turns out it's much easier

50:04SPEAKERto parse out the important information

50:06SPEAKERthan trying to get through a 30 email chain,

50:10SPEAKERwhich, you know, I don't know.

50:11SPEAKERI think, and then the last thing about this

50:15SPEAKERis the phishing and the spam have become a real problem.

50:19SPEAKERLike we, there's a big conversation going on this

50:22SPEAKERin political polling right now,

50:23SPEAKERbecause poll results seem to be wildly unreliable

50:27SPEAKERbecause entire cohorts of the population

50:30SPEAKERjust don't ever pick up their phone

50:32SPEAKERif it's from an unknown number

50:34SPEAKERor if like you don't text first and it's a known number,

50:38SPEAKERright?

50:39SPEAKERSo, and that's happened because phones

50:43SPEAKERhave become a massive venue for spam and phishing,

50:46SPEAKERso people just don't pick, just don't use it anymore.

50:49SPEAKERAnd the same thing happened with email.

50:51SPEAKERSo like, I think if email was secure and reliable

50:54SPEAKERand not lousy with phishing and spam,

50:57SPEAKERyou probably, we would probably still use email more.

51:01SPEAKERBut because the chat services are all authenticated

51:06SPEAKERand locked, it's safer and you know

51:09SPEAKERthat you're not gonna get phished in chat probably.

51:11SPEAKERWhereas like, I don't know, when you were at CBS,

51:14SPEAKERdid you get the IT people sending out,

51:18SPEAKERwe're gonna try to, we're gonna send you

51:19SPEAKERsome phishing test emails every once in a while?

51:22SPEAKER- I think so, on occasion, pretty rarely though,

51:25SPEAKERfrom what I remember.

51:26SPEAKERWe had to do a lot of mandatory training

51:27SPEAKERand I think that's probably where our compliance

51:29SPEAKERwas centered was just, hey, you need to,

51:31SPEAKERtime to set two hours aside to click through these lessons,

51:34SPEAKERthese illustrated lessons of like,

51:37SPEAKERso-and-so has a USB drive full of company secrets,

51:39SPEAKERis that bad?

51:40SPEAKER- No, that's fine, right?

51:41SPEAKERYou just leave those anywhere,

51:43SPEAKERput them on the floor in medieval times, it's cool.

51:45SPEAKER- All right, question from Base Guy GT.

51:48SPEAKERSmithflix has been mentioned in passing

51:50SPEAKERa few times on the podcast.

51:51SPEAKERI'd love to hear more about it.

51:53SPEAKERWhat software and hardware, how many movies?

51:56SPEAKER- So Smithflix is two machines.

51:58SPEAKERThere's a Synology NAS with, it's a five bay,

52:03SPEAKERlike 22 terabyte, I think total storage

52:05SPEAKERor 24 terabyte total storage NAS

52:08SPEAKERthat all the data lives on.

52:10SPEAKERAnd then there's also a small Beelink dual core Celeron,

52:15SPEAKERI think 10th or 11th gen Beelink box

52:18SPEAKERthat I paid like 150 bucks for,

52:21SPEAKERbecause it does the Intel Quick Sync,

52:24SPEAKERQuick Sync video transcode acceleration.

52:26SPEAKERAnd that is, that runs Plex and a couple of game servers

52:31SPEAKERand some other kind of heavier stuff than,

52:37SPEAKERwhat do you call it?

52:38SPEAKERAnd then the Synology is able to.

52:42SPEAKER- Sure.

52:43SPEAKER- So I think, and like the Synology is running

52:44SPEAKERlike the ubiquitous cloud console

52:46SPEAKERand some other like random backend software

52:49SPEAKERthat I need to run to keep the network going.

52:52SPEAKERThe actual Smithflix machine,

52:55SPEAKERwhich is that little Beelink is running Plex

52:57SPEAKERand like I said, the game servers

52:59SPEAKERand a couple other heavier things.

53:02SPEAKER- Now you have to answer the million dollar question,

53:03SPEAKERhow many movies?

53:04SPEAKER- Oh God, I have no idea.

53:05SPEAKER- I could tell you, maybe I'm on your server.

53:08SPEAKERI never use it, but I am technically on it.

53:10SPEAKERI don't know how quickly I can get.

53:12SPEAKER- Plex doesn't really expose like just a tally of,

53:16SPEAKERlike just a count, does it?

53:18SPEAKER- 1200, it's 1300, 1400 DVDs and Blu-ray reps.

53:23SPEAKER- That's quite a bit.

53:24SPEAKER- Yeah.

53:25SPEAKER- That's a lot of movies.

53:26SPEAKER- So a lot of that's TV shows, individual TV shows.

53:28SPEAKERSo that's just the number of files.

53:29SPEAKER- Okay, that's fair.

53:31SPEAKER- Yeah, and it's all,

53:33SPEAKERI don't add a whole lot of stuff to it these days.

53:36SPEAKER- I will say, like I said, I hardly ever use it,

53:39SPEAKERbut I did use it once or twice

53:40SPEAKERafter you switched to the Beelink noticeably faster.

53:43SPEAKERLike the transcoding was dramatically faster

53:45SPEAKERonce you moved to something with Quick Sync on it.

53:48SPEAKER- The challenge, so the NAS theoretically

53:51SPEAKERhas Quick Sync on it, but I couldn't,

53:53SPEAKERthere didn't seem to be a good way to get the Docker

53:56SPEAKERor the plugin or the Synology plugin version of Plex

54:01SPEAKERrunning with the right kernel hooks

54:04SPEAKERto enable the hardware acceleration.

54:07SPEAKERAnd so I ended up putting it on the standalone machine

54:09SPEAKERand it turned out it's nice to have the standalone machine

54:12SPEAKER'cause the Synology doesn't have that much RAM.

54:14SPEAKERSo like having a bunch of Docker containers running

54:16SPEAKERfeels weird on that.

54:17SPEAKERAnd then putting them on the standalone machine

54:21SPEAKERhelped perf pretty dramatically, so.

54:23SPEAKER- Yeah.

54:26SPEAKERYou didn't ask, but my Plex machine is a 12600K.

54:30SPEAKER- How's that doing for your power?

54:31SPEAKER- I don't know.

54:32SPEAKERI mean, like, look, I probably would need to get a kilowatt

54:35SPEAKERand plug it in and watch for a couple of months

54:37SPEAKERto really give you an answer to that.

54:38SPEAKER- Yeah.

54:39SPEAKER- Probably, it's probably, you know what?

54:41SPEAKERPG&E raises their rates so often that I can't tell

54:43SPEAKERlike any increase in usage is subsumed

54:48SPEAKERby the constant upward creep of their rates.

54:52SPEAKERSo who knows?

54:53SPEAKER- Well, I was gonna say that the time I bought the,

54:55SPEAKERI switched over from the Broadwell E to this,

54:58SPEAKERit saved me actual money because I was,

55:00SPEAKERit bumped me down a tier in usage.

55:03SPEAKERBut then we got the electric car,

55:04SPEAKERwhich puts us on a different rate plan.

55:06SPEAKERAnd we're not, like in the old days,

55:08SPEAKERthey would be like, okay, here, your house is this big

55:11SPEAKERand all the other houses in your neighborhood

55:14SPEAKERthat are this big use this much electricity

55:16SPEAKERand you're using five times as much as them.

55:18SPEAKERSo you pay five times as much more,

55:20SPEAKERwhich was some real horseshit and they should be sued for.

55:22SPEAKERBut anyway, PG&E sucks.

55:24SPEAKERThat's the TL;DR.

55:25SPEAKER- They sure do.

55:26SPEAKER- They're a terrible company

55:27SPEAKERand should be fired into the sun publicly.

55:30SPEAKERYeah. - Yep, yep.

55:32SPEAKER- What's the opposite of privatized, Brad?

55:34SPEAKER- Socialized.

55:35SPEAKER- Socialized.

55:36SPEAKER- We should socialize. - Or nationalized.

55:38SPEAKER- Yeah, we should nationalize PG&E.

55:40SPEAKER- I guess it would be socialized in that case.

55:41SPEAKER- It's not privatized.

55:42SPEAKERIt's not publicized.

55:43SPEAKERThat's a different thing.

55:44SPEAKER- Oh, oh.

55:45SPEAKER- You'd think it would be though.

55:46SPEAKERPrivatized in public.

55:47SPEAKER- Public, although there should be further publicization

55:50SPEAKERof PG&E's burning down of the state.

55:53SPEAKER- The burning down of the state and like the fact,

55:56SPEAKERI'm curious, I looked at our power bill

55:59SPEAKERand we pay more for transmission of the power

56:02SPEAKERthan we do for the generation of the power.

56:05SPEAKER- I didn't know they itemized it that way.

56:06SPEAKER- Well, because we live in San Mateo County

56:08SPEAKERand we do a different provider,

56:10SPEAKERwe buy exclusively wind and solar.

56:12SPEAKER- I see.

56:13SPEAKER- Which our rate is better on that,

56:14SPEAKERbut they charge us so much for the transmission

56:17SPEAKERacross PG&E lines that I feel like

56:20SPEAKERwe're getting screwed somehow.

56:21SPEAKER- I mean, it's the power company.

56:22SPEAKERYou're definitely getting screwed.

56:24SPEAKER- Yeah.

56:25SPEAKER- Actually, there's another Plex question here

56:27SPEAKERI'll go ahead and ask real quick from CyMelt.

56:30SPEAKERI have a large Plex library of uncompressed MKV files

56:33SPEAKERpulled straight from disks.

56:34SPEAKERUnfortunately, I'm running out of space

56:35SPEAKERand I'm not ready to invest in more storage,

56:38SPEAKERbut I find whenever I compress,

56:40SPEAKERI always end up unhappy with the quality.

56:42SPEAKERWhat are your methods and settings

56:43SPEAKERand are you happy with the quality

56:44SPEAKERor simply accept the quality for the file size savings?

56:48SPEAKER- I'm looking for streaming quality,

56:50SPEAKERnot disk quality on Plex.

56:52SPEAKER- Yeah.

56:53SPEAKER- If it's something I care about the disk on,

56:54SPEAKERI'd probably get out the 4K disk.

56:55SPEAKER- Yeah, that's fair.

56:57SPEAKERI'm in the exact same boat.

56:58SPEAKERI have all of my rips are uncompressed

57:00SPEAKER'cause I don't want to lose the quality,

57:02SPEAKERbut I know that's kind of foolish.

57:04SPEAKER- Yeah.

57:05SPEAKER- I'm watching everything locally

57:05SPEAKERso I can watch it at full quality.

57:07SPEAKERIt's not like it's transcoding generally over the network,

57:11SPEAKERexcept in rare cases.

57:12SPEAKERBut yes, it is like a Blu-ray.

57:15SPEAKERBlu-rays use H.264.

57:16SPEAKERLike that is not an efficient use of space these days

57:19SPEAKERfor the quality level.

57:21SPEAKER- I mean, I guess now that we can do H.265

57:24SPEAKERand higher, better codecs accelerated,

57:28SPEAKERprobably the thing to do is to,

57:31SPEAKERI've seen threads on the Plex subreddit

57:34SPEAKERor Handbrake subreddit about how to turn your H.264s

57:38SPEAKERinto H.265s or AV1s even.

57:42SPEAKER- I'd probably encode AV1 at this point.

57:44SPEAKER- Well, it depends on what your end points are

57:46SPEAKER'cause a lot of end points don't support AV1 yet.

57:48SPEAKER- That goes without saying,

57:50SPEAKERyou probably would be transcoding in the short term,

57:53SPEAKERbut it's more of a future-proofing.

57:54SPEAKERIt's like eventually and probably not that long from now

57:58SPEAKERthat it'll be the case that you can just direct play AV1

58:02SPEAKERto most things in the next five years.

58:03SPEAKERSo I'd rather do that than have to re-encode

58:06SPEAKEReverything yet again in a few years.

58:09SPEAKER- For example, my server doesn't support

58:11SPEAKERAV1 hardware transcode.

58:13SPEAKERSo if I did that, I would have software transcode

58:18SPEAKERon any end points that don't support AV1.

58:20SPEAKER- Well, it should be able to do hardware encode

58:22SPEAKERinto whatever you're,

58:24SPEAKER'cause you're probably transcoding to H.264,

58:26SPEAKERwhich you do have hardware support for.

58:27SPEAKER- No, I don't have hardware decode of AV1.

58:29SPEAKER- Yes, you probably would be eating some CPU.

58:32SPEAKER- Yeah, the decoding is way more,

58:36SPEAKERit makes way more of a difference than you think.

58:38SPEAKERLike I did a bunch of tests.

58:39SPEAKERLike I talked about it before,

58:42SPEAKERI use my NAS as an intermediary when I stream Twitch

58:45SPEAKERfor a variety of reasons that are mostly archive related,

58:48SPEAKERbut I got the quick sync on my NAS working

58:51SPEAKERto encode the streams going out, which worked fine.

58:54SPEAKERI'm still using kind of a decent amount of CPU though.

58:57SPEAKERAnd then I started looking into,

58:58SPEAKERthis is all through FFmpeg.

58:59SPEAKERThen I figured out how to get the hardware decode working

59:01SPEAKERwith a stream coming in is being decoded in hardware

59:04SPEAKERand then re-encoded also in hardware.

59:06SPEAKERCPU usage dropped to basically nothing,

59:08SPEAKERlike almost nothing after I,

59:11SPEAKERlike the decode takes way more CPU than you think.

59:14SPEAKER- Yeah, when I was doing,

59:15SPEAKERI was trying to do a small form factor

59:17SPEAKERfor a secondary streaming box.

59:18SPEAKERAnd the, like I put a capture card

59:24SPEAKERin the one PCI express slot that was in that machine

59:26SPEAKERand used integrated graphics,

59:28SPEAKERwhich didn't support hardware encode or decode

59:31SPEAKERin OBS at the time.

59:33SPEAKERAnd it was unusable.

59:34SPEAKERIt was like 80% CPU on a pretty decent machine at the time.

59:38SPEAKERSo yeah.

59:39SPEAKER- Yeah, now that you mentioned it like that

59:40SPEAKERand asking that be linked to decode AV1 in software

59:44SPEAKERmight be kind of a lot.

59:45SPEAKER- Yeah, no, it's a Celeron dude.

59:47SPEAKER- It's a wee little thing.

59:49SPEAKER- Yeah, everything's running out of Docker.

59:50SPEAKERSo like if I ever want to upgrade it, I can.

59:52SPEAKERI just picked the lowest power thing I could find

59:54SPEAKERthat I thought would do the job

59:55SPEAKER'cause I didn't want to pay for the electricity.

59:57SPEAKER- Yeah, I've been fiddling with Docker

59:59SPEAKERand Podman quite a bit lately.

1:00:01SPEAKERWe don't need to get into it right now, but.

1:00:03SPEAKER- I think I'm ready for a Docker episode.

1:00:05SPEAKERI need to know more.

1:00:07SPEAKER- Yeah, I think I'm going to move in that direction

1:00:09SPEAKERrather than using full on system containers

1:00:12SPEAKERfor every service I run.

1:00:14SPEAKER- Seems more portable.

1:00:15SPEAKER- It's definitely more portable.

1:00:17SPEAKERDefinitely more like you just need

1:00:19SPEAKERthis one configuration file.

1:00:20SPEAKERAnd even if you lose your entire machine,

1:00:21SPEAKERyou just point Docker at that composed file

1:00:26SPEAKERand everything's back up in two seconds.

1:00:28SPEAKER- And the data, yeah.

1:00:29SPEAKER- Declarative configurations.

1:00:31SPEAKER- Yes.

1:00:32SPEAKER- I don't know if you, declarative.

1:00:33SPEAKERDeclarative is a hot buzzword

1:00:35SPEAKERin server administration these days.

1:00:38SPEAKER- In container land.

1:00:39SPEAKER- Yes, yes.

1:00:41SPEAKERStatic, text files really is what we're talking about.

1:00:45SPEAKER- Love a good text file.

1:00:47SPEAKER- Let's see, a couple more real quick ones.

1:00:49SPEAKERVivreen asks, is it worth going for Wi-Fi 7?

1:00:52SPEAKER- No, probably not.

1:00:54SPEAKERIf you live someplace that's really congested, yes.

1:00:57SPEAKERIf you live someplace that's reasonably uncongested,

1:01:00SPEAKERby really congested,

1:01:01SPEAKERI mean like multi-story apartment buildings

1:01:04SPEAKERwhere there's multiple floors worth of people.

1:01:07SPEAKERIf you live in New York, in Manhattan or Brooklyn

1:01:10SPEAKERor Queens or someplace that's really dense,

1:01:12SPEAKERif you live in the suburbs, you're probably okay.

1:01:13SPEAKEREven if you live in a normal apartment complex,

1:01:15SPEAKERyou're probably okay with 6E.

1:01:17SPEAKER- Yeah, I mean, I would say if a couple of things are true,

1:01:20SPEAKERif you're coming from a much older standard,

1:01:22SPEAKERlike if you're on 6E, probably not worth it.

1:01:25SPEAKERBut like, yeah, if you're on something much older

1:01:28SPEAKERand if there's not a huge price difference

1:01:29SPEAKERbetween like 6E and 7E,

1:01:32SPEAKERI'd probably go ahead and go for the 7E for future proofing.

1:01:35SPEAKER- Yeah, I think N is an instant upgrade.

1:01:40SPEAKERAnything past AC is probably okay,

1:01:42SPEAKERassuming you're not having problems right now.

1:01:46SPEAKERThe other thing is the answer to this question changes

1:01:48SPEAKERif you do local file transfers over Wi-Fi a lot.

1:01:52SPEAKERIf you're doing big file,

1:01:53SPEAKERlike if you're doing video editing over Wi-Fi,

1:01:55SPEAKERthen maybe, I don't know.

1:01:57SPEAKERIt seems like you're better off running an ethernet wire

1:02:01SPEAKERthan upgrading your Wi-Fi stuff to 7.

1:02:04SPEAKER- Yeah, I'm just looking around.

1:02:05SPEAKERIt's kind of hard to get a sense of prices very quickly,

1:02:07SPEAKERbut it looks like Wi-Fi 7 access points

1:02:11SPEAKERare starting to get somewhat reasonable.

1:02:13SPEAKER- Yeah, they're under 250 bucks now, I think.

1:02:15SPEAKER- Yeah, like this UNIFI.

1:02:17SPEAKERI'm not recommending UNIFI, it's just the first thing I found

1:02:19SPEAKERbut this Wi-Fi 7, UNIFI Pro is 189,

1:02:22SPEAKERwhich is like not completely exorbitant.

1:02:25SPEAKER- That's an access point only though, not a router.

1:02:29SPEAKER- Yes, I mean, it's not super cheap,

1:02:30SPEAKERbut that's getting into their normal price range.

1:02:33SPEAKER- Yeah, got one more.

1:02:36SPEAKER- All right, last question comes from Console Command.

1:02:39SPEAKERI got my first NAS in January and it retextualized

1:02:42SPEAKERhow I think about computing locally on the local network.

1:02:46SPEAKERThen a shower thought occurred.

1:02:48SPEAKERI have a dark coax cable network in the walls of my house.

1:02:51SPEAKERJust a little aside here by dark,

1:02:54SPEAKERI assume they mean not being used for anything.

1:02:56SPEAKER- Probably they don't have cable anymore.

1:02:58SPEAKER- Yeah, no.

1:02:59SPEAKERI have a dark coax cable network in the walls of my house.

1:03:02SPEAKERThey once blasted TV shows from a telco.

1:03:05SPEAKERMaybe they can blast TV shows from my NAS.

1:03:08SPEAKERThis is crazy, this is some Frankenstein shit.

1:03:10SPEAKERA Raspberry Pi, a Channel Plus RF modulator

1:03:14SPEAKERand some ugly Python script later.

1:03:16SPEAKERI now have a 24 hour Simpsons on Channel 14.

1:03:19SPEAKER- I love this so much.

1:03:22SPEAKER- 24 hour Simpsons channel on Channel 14, I should say.

1:03:25SPEAKERThis is just the beginning.

1:03:27SPEAKERIf you had a private TV channel, what would you do?

1:03:30SPEAKERPS, the box of old cables and tech

1:03:32SPEAKERwas a gold mine for this project.

1:03:36SPEAKERThis is an amazing idea.

1:03:38SPEAKERI think the biggest problem for me

1:03:39SPEAKERis just having a TV on the receiving end

1:03:41SPEAKERthat could actually tune an RF channel in

1:03:45SPEAKERor tune in on a broadcast channel over RF.

1:03:48SPEAKER- 'Cause your TV doesn't have a coax plug.

1:03:50SPEAKER- Yeah, I don't think I have access to a display

1:03:52SPEAKERthat could understand that old style of TV signal,

1:03:57SPEAKERbut this is an amazing idea.

1:03:58SPEAKER- Oh, so this is where my ancient TV really pays off.

1:04:02SPEAKER- Yeah, I guess so.

1:04:03SPEAKERI guess those plasmas of that era

1:04:05SPEAKERstill did have coax on them, didn't they?

1:04:06SPEAKER- I have components still. - No, I'm sorry.

1:04:08SPEAKERI'm sorry, my TV does have coax.

1:04:09SPEAKERI don't think it would be able to--

1:04:11SPEAKER- It would be digital.

1:04:12SPEAKER- That's what I was gonna say.

1:04:13SPEAKERHe doesn't say if this is an analog or a digital signal.

1:04:15SPEAKERI don't think my TV would not be able

1:04:17SPEAKERto interpret an analog broadcast signal

1:04:19SPEAKERif that's what he's using here.

1:04:20SPEAKER- You can get a digital channel modulator for $79 shipped.

1:04:25SPEAKER- Yeah, okay, if that's what he's talking about here,

1:04:27SPEAKERthen most any TV with a modern digital tuner could do this.

1:04:31SPEAKER- And that is a cool idea.

1:04:33SPEAKER- That's pretty cool.

1:04:34SPEAKERI mean, it's like, it's kind of a distinction

1:04:36SPEAKERwithout a difference in the fact there

1:04:37SPEAKERin the sense that you could just do this with like Plex

1:04:38SPEAKERor something like that digitally, you know?

1:04:41SPEAKERBut something about being able

1:04:43SPEAKERto just flip actual channels in your house is pretty awesome.

1:04:47SPEAKER- Yeah, it's a super cool idea.

1:04:49SPEAKERI have dark coax in my walls too,

1:04:51SPEAKERbut we only have one TV really

1:04:53SPEAKERwhere there's coax outputs, and it has Plex on it.

1:04:57SPEAKERBut I love this.

1:04:59SPEAKER- It's pretty good, pretty good idea.

1:05:02SPEAKER- You wanna call it?

1:05:03SPEAKERYou got one more.

1:05:04SPEAKER- Well, the question here was

1:05:04SPEAKERif you had a private TV channel, what would you do?

1:05:07SPEAKER- Oh.

1:05:07SPEAKER- In my case, I think somebody already beat me to it.

1:05:09SPEAKERIt's the old timey computer show Twitch channel.

1:05:12SPEAKER- Yeah, I think that's pretty good.

1:05:13SPEAKER- Which just streams Computer Chronicles

1:05:16SPEAKERand similar programming nonstop forever.

1:05:18SPEAKER- For me, Simpsons,

1:05:20SPEAKERit would be like a '90s animation probably.

1:05:22SPEAKERSo it'd be like Simpsons and King of the Hill

1:05:25SPEAKERand maybe Futurama, old Futurama, not new Futurama.

1:05:30SPEAKER- Yep, let's see.

1:05:31SPEAKEROld timey computer show is currently showing an episode

1:05:34SPEAKERof Game Breaker from 1993.

1:05:36SPEAKER- Oh, I love Game Breaker.

1:05:37SPEAKER- I don't know what Game Breaker,

1:05:38SPEAKERI mean, it seems to be about video games,

1:05:41SPEAKERbut that's about all I can tell you.

1:05:42SPEAKER- The PC World folk discovered the Computer Chronicles

1:05:45SPEAKERepisode that Gordon and I were on in like 2002.

1:05:48SPEAKER- Great.

1:05:49SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:05:49SPEAKER- Sure, that's always fun.

1:05:50SPEAKER- It was a revelatory experience for them.

1:05:54SPEAKER- I bet, I bet.

1:05:55SPEAKER- I think that's a good place to wrap it up.

1:05:57SPEAKERAs always, if you have a question,

1:05:59SPEAKERyou can email it to techpod@content.down

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1:06:07SPEAKERDon't put private stuff in there.

1:06:09SPEAKERI have to say this every few months 'cause people forget,

1:06:11SPEAKERbecause if you're in the channel

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1:06:46SPEAKERwe have a backlog of good questions

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1:06:52SPEAKER- Yeah, we might do some of those on there.

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1:06:55SPEAKERMaybe we can do another live one too, if you want, Brad.

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