235: The Diabolical Nature of Ear Bones

00:00SPEAKERBrad it's the third Sunday of May. What does that mean? That means that by the time well

00:05SPEAKEROkay, if you're listening at midnight Pacific time you haven't been not by not by now, but like in a few hours

00:10SPEAKERMm-hmm you and I was a couple of friends are gonna be in a car

00:14SPEAKEROh, yeah headed south for for the Bay Area electronics flea market

00:20SPEAKERI know as you're listening to this home of socket seven motherboards and tables full of wheeze. Oh my god. I'm sorry

00:27SPEAKERI started to say I'm so excited but also table full of what last week

00:30SPEAKERThey had last last time I went there was a guy there that had like a table full of place old

00:35SPEAKERPS threes, I think ps3 is Xbox 360s

00:40SPEAKERwheeze oh that kind of we what did you think I don't know I was

00:45SPEAKERWe easy is the spelling that came to mind. I was like, what is their son?

00:50SPEAKERWas there a famous line of 80s computers called the wheeze?

00:53SPEAKERIt was not familiar with no like last time so last time we went there was a guy there that was selling a scale

00:58SPEAKERThat's like the kind that you use in like high-level chemistry labs when you need to measure something. That's like a thousandth of a gram

01:04SPEAKERIt's the kind of scale that you have to wear gloves or or tongs when you're using because it can weigh a fingerprint Wow

01:11SPEAKERYeah, so a friend of the show Steve Lynn will be accompanying us

01:15SPEAKERYes to that thing and I was talking to him about that scale recently

01:18SPEAKERYeah, he said it can weigh the the ink on a check like you can you can weigh a check then sign the check and put

01:24SPEAKERIt back on and detect the amount of the weight of the ink that you used to sign the check with. Yeah, we

01:30SPEAKERwe I had a professor who when he was showing us how sensitive the scale was he put a

01:36SPEAKERDesiccant on it like something that absorbs water moisture water vapor from the air and then he went

01:44SPEAKERAnd he weighed the amount of water that was in his breath, okay now, let me stop you for a second

01:49SPEAKERYou're saying that scale was for sale

01:51SPEAKERYeah, cuz nobody uses the old analog kind and the the modern versions of those scales are all digital

01:57SPEAKERSo this is like I'm gonna go and tell you this is a trap. My grandfather went down this hole as

02:02SPEAKERAs as people with hoarding proclivities, we have to be aware of these things

02:07SPEAKERThere are things that had massive amounts of value

02:10SPEAKERwhen we were youths that are now going to be for sale for practically nothing because they're

02:15SPEAKERAncient outdated hardware that nobody who's serious about things wants and it's only for dipshits like us. So it's really that outdated though

02:22SPEAKERI mean look you can still weigh the same but trust me. There's nobody is a serious lab using an analog

02:28SPEAKERSuper precise. I mean, I'm gonna say this and I'm gonna get a ton of feedback from people going

02:33SPEAKERWell, I actually work in a lab where we do blah blah blah blah blah and we use analog balance and stuff

02:37SPEAKERI don't think people use analog balances for that kind of stuff anymore

02:40SPEAKERThey're fiddly like you can't tear them really

02:42SPEAKERLike the modern digital one you hit the tear button and you don't have to worry about the fingerprint because it just zeros out the fingerprint

02:49SPEAKERSo yeah, my assumption is that everybody switched digital for that kind of stuff. It's like buying a typewriter today

02:55SPEAKERThey're only for hipsters. That's all fine. But do you have a super sensitive scale in your house?

02:59SPEAKERWhy did why did you not buy this thing? I cuz I'm not selling drugs and it was really fucking big

03:03SPEAKEROh, okay. I was just envisioning something on the tabletop. Is it maybe less practical than that?

03:09SPEAKERNo, it has to have a whole box around it to protect this the surface like it's like air currents in the room

03:15SPEAKERBulljack it up. Yes, you have to open the little door put the thing in close the door balance it and then yeah

03:21SPEAKERThat's fair. Okay. I didn't I did not envision devoting an entire corner of a room to this thing

03:25SPEAKERI suppose that makes more sense. Now. Look if they had a centrifuge

03:29SPEAKERWe've been all up on that then we're then we'd be talking we then like then then you know

03:34SPEAKERI'd be doing I'd be grinding up peas putting them in vials

03:37SPEAKERSpinning them to get the pea butter out. I'd be all about that. I'm sorry. Wait, have you ever talked about the pea butter?

03:42SPEAKERIt's too early in the morning for the phrase pea butter. Okay, so peas are our

03:47SPEAKERTripartite materials they have they have the outer protein layer. That's the green skin that you're accustomed to. There's a starchy inner

03:54SPEAKERThat's kind of like there's the pea filler that tastes like nothing then there's a fatty

04:01SPEAKERlayer that's between the skin and the and the

04:04SPEAKERand the in the starch and that stuff is called pea butter and it you have to in order to make like a

04:12SPEAKERPint of pea butter or half a pint of pea butter. You need like 13 pounds of peas or something

04:17SPEAKERBut we go and tell you it is the most pea tasting thing you've ever tasted in your life. It is incredible

04:23SPEAKERWe have to stop talking about this. I'm sorry

04:25SPEAKERYou can see it's you can smear it on toast like soft butter and it tastes like spring in your mouth

04:32SPEAKEROkay, I believe that I just would you say something tastes like pee. I think we should maybe talk more about socket seven motherboards

05:02SPEAKERI

05:07SPEAKERWelcome to Brad and will made a tech pod. I'm will I'm Brad. What do you think? That was pretty good?

05:13SPEAKERI like it

05:14SPEAKERYeah, you should you should do more like we should maybe we should do a morning zoo episode where we get like some horns and stuff

05:19SPEAKEROr like why hey, why ain't zoo crew?

05:22SPEAKERThing it's early enough. I still got my morning voice. My voice has not gone to shit

05:26SPEAKERAs it does every day later on it's it's funny because when we record like a morning part

05:31SPEAKERAnd then we have to do the outros and intros later on

05:33SPEAKERWe you have to like you have to get your morning face on when we start. Mm-hmm

05:38SPEAKERFor what it's worth. I don't hear much of a difference

05:40SPEAKERYeah, I think if I didn't know you pretty well, I wouldn't I wouldn't notice your your your vocal failings at the end of the day

05:46SPEAKERMaybe maybe that's the diabolical nature of ear bones

05:49SPEAKERIt could be the fact that you hear yourself very differently from how everybody else hears you. It's entirely possible

05:56SPEAKERUm, so hey, I did something fun yesterday

05:58SPEAKERMy birthday was this week and my wife and daughter surprised me with tickets to the San Francisco MOMA

06:05SPEAKERHappy birthday. Thank you. We went to

06:08SPEAKERWe went for one thing. There's a exhibit that's going through right now. That's um

06:13SPEAKERmirror rooms from

06:15SPEAKERI can't remember the name of the artist

06:18SPEAKERBut anyway, she's a Japanese artist who does like rooms with

06:22SPEAKERInteresting things inside of them that are mirrored on all six sides

06:25SPEAKERSo when you get inside they look infinite and like it's there they're they're really cool

06:30SPEAKERBut like that was like two minutes in each room and there were two rooms. So it was a four minute exhibition basically for us

06:37SPEAKERThe thing that I was blown away by I mean I was blown away by that was very cool

06:41SPEAKERBut the upstairs and the on the top floor of MOMA they have an exhibit called art of noise

06:46SPEAKERThat is a kind of mixed media thing. That's like a mixture of

06:51SPEAKERthe kind of concert posters that they used to make in the 60s and 70s for shows that like the Fillmore and and

06:57SPEAKERAmerican Music Lounge and stuff like that great American Music Hall great American Music Hall and and Fox theater and all those that's cool

07:04SPEAKERI have not been to the Fillmore and I mean I'm too old to go to shows now and I don't even know if they still

07:08SPEAKERDo this but bands at the Fillmore the people outside of San Francisco know about the Fillmore poster the Fillmore

07:13SPEAKERSo this is what they had hundreds of these on the wall. Oh, man. I've got three of those framed on my wall here

07:18SPEAKERI would have loved to spell maybe the exhibit will be there long enough. I could go see it

07:21SPEAKERThe exhibit there isn't is there until August so you can totally go

07:24SPEAKERI'm gonna I'm just gonna look it up real fast if people don't know it's a specific like height and high

07:29SPEAKERYeah, it's like it's like 16 by 9 but vertical

07:32SPEAKERI'm trying to find a 16 weirdly the dimensions are not that easy to just Google

07:37SPEAKERIt is a specific size of poster and the thing I was gonna say is like when I was still going to shows there like

07:42SPEAKER20 years ago almost a lot of bands that came through there would just give out posters at the end of the show

07:46SPEAKERWell, I mean that was I was gonna say that was the thing almost every time I went to the Fillmore for something

07:50SPEAKERI walked away with a poster and I was also rolled up

07:53SPEAKERI've got I've got a Jarvis Cocker poster on my wall and a fair this fair poster. And what's the other one?

08:00SPEAKERMaybe flaming lips. I can't remember I have to go look. Well, so, okay, so they're ready. I'm sorry

08:05SPEAKERI completely I forgot I completely forgot I said ever have ever saw granddaddy until I just remembered I have that poster on the Wow

08:10SPEAKERAnyway, yeah band posters, so they have a bunch of them most of them are from the 60s and 70s

08:14SPEAKERThere are a few from the 80s and 90s is it kind of like like it was a thing that people did to late

08:19SPEAKERYou know about concerts in the 60s and 70s in the 80s and 90s

08:22SPEAKERIt was other things they had like but they had like punk scenes from the 80s they had

08:27SPEAKERThey had a bunch of album art. They had posters for like joy like the famous Joy Division album. They had the

08:34SPEAKERthe the

08:36SPEAKERDylan print of the Dylan poster the Milton

08:41SPEAKERI'm completely blanking now because it's seven o'clock in the morning. But but anyway famous famous music art

08:48SPEAKERthen

08:49SPEAKERthey had a bunch of

08:52SPEAKERdesigned a high for home hi-fi and music listening gear so they had like old blonde Putin and and

09:00SPEAKERAnd B&O like hi-fi systems from the 50s and like things with cool spherical speakers

09:07SPEAKERThey had a bunch of teenage engineering stuff including like the portable music player with the with the articulated spinny disc and things like that

09:16SPEAKERThey had

09:18SPEAKEROld iPods and and stuff like that which was really funny to me

09:22SPEAKERI could yes, I can imagine when I was at the Smithsonian

09:25SPEAKERWhich one the museum American history? I think it was American. Yeah, American history is the ones that's got the giant pop culture exhibit

09:31SPEAKERYeah, they had so they had two things they had there wasn't one area that was just like very early devices that matter

09:37SPEAKERYou know, I think I may have talked about this like they had an Apple one in there

09:40SPEAKERThey had they had multiple Dolby devices. They have like a full setup of the original Dolby

09:47SPEAKERRight. No before that. I think it was in the 60s was a Dolby noise reduction. Is that what they called it?

09:52SPEAKEROh, yeah, and our remove the hiss from the tape, right?

09:55SPEAKERYeah

09:55SPEAKERlike the full original like giant setup that I assume has like straight-up vacuum tubes in it and stuff that

10:01SPEAKERDid the original Dolby noise? Anyway, they also had an area of like here's here's a central creative tools used by

10:07SPEAKERUsed by people, you know, and some of them were like, hey, here's this. Oh gosh. What's the guy's name?

10:12SPEAKERLike there was there was an iPhone there was like extremely busted up iPhone in there

10:16SPEAKERWow, I used by a fairly recent hip-hop producer who like used it to make beats early on in his career

10:21SPEAKERWow, it was just kind of funny to see like a little iPhone there

10:25SPEAKERIt's like hey this iPhone made a lot of very important music

10:28SPEAKERbut anyway, they they had they had the turntable from skate land in Compton that like

10:36SPEAKERQueen Latifah and and like NWA and all those guys use Eric B and New Edition all the I guess not NWA

10:45SPEAKERBut yeah that they used

10:47SPEAKERIt was like it was like the where the birth of West Coast rap was right. That's cool. Go to this

10:53SPEAKERYou should go to this you would like this. I've never been to the MoMA. I just like feel bad saying this

10:58SPEAKERI have nothing against art museums, but they're probably my lowest priority museum

11:02SPEAKERLike I'm always gonna go for a history or a or a natural science thing

11:06SPEAKERWe live walking distance from the de young museum here and I've never been in there

11:10SPEAKERso the de young I've been to a couple times but specifically for

11:13SPEAKERThings that I wanted to see right, but the thing I was gonna say though is for our museums

11:18SPEAKERI always envisioned just a lot of paintings and maybe some statuary which again fine like I'm nothing against it

11:23SPEAKERIt's just not the thing I seek out but like hearing hearing that there's both a like music culture and technology music exhibit

11:29SPEAKERI should get over there. Well, so modern art museums are a little different in that they often have like mixed-media stuff

11:35SPEAKERso there's there's also like they also have along with this they have a hi-fi lo-fi room where there's like

11:41SPEAKERthis huge super expansive hi-fi setup with like

11:45SPEAKERBullhorn tweeters and you sit in this room with 50 people and they just play music and and like the guy in there

11:51SPEAKERthere was playing yesterday was playing like lo-fi beats and like chill stuff with like a

11:56SPEAKERClicks from a record player going in the background. It was which was very nice

12:00SPEAKERthere was also a teenage engineering setup where they have their choir which is like they're they're like

12:06SPEAKERThey're almost like gyroids from Animal Crossing

12:10SPEAKERThey're these little guys and they play each one plays the specific register and they play harmonies and melodies with each other and they play

12:17SPEAKERlike a mixture of like like original compositions and then like

12:21SPEAKERlike synthy versions of

12:24SPEAKERYou know classics right stuff. They probably don't have to pay money to license

12:27SPEAKERI think there may be a picture of these on the art of noise website that I'm looking at or they kind of look like

12:31SPEAKERThey're made out of wood. Yeah, they are made out of wood. Okay, that's electronic stuff inside them. Okay, I need to get over there

12:36SPEAKERThis all looks very cool and one floor down which isn't I think part of this but is similar is a Swedish

12:44SPEAKERSwedish installation that a guy

12:47SPEAKERWent to this old farmhouse this like Bohemian farmhouse and they took I think 10

12:52SPEAKERdifferent cameras and 10 different performers and they all played music in different parts of the house at the same time over a

12:58SPEAKER64-minute period and it starts at like warm-up from from before warm-up and you sit in there for 64 minutes and watch the whole show

13:05SPEAKERAnd it's all it's surrounding you in this long skinny room with sound that's it's it's really neat

13:11SPEAKERIt's it's a it's a it's a good museum highly recommend. So that's cool. That's cool

13:15SPEAKERYeah museums are cool. So which which takes us I guess to our next to our topic for the week. Mm-hmm. It's a potpourri

13:22SPEAKERWe're good. We got a project potpourri here. I smell so floral in here. Yeah. I've got a hint of lavender maybe some bergamot

13:29SPEAKERPee though thankfully. Well, I mean I didn't buy the centrifuge if there's one this week

13:34SPEAKERMaybe isn't some two peas have a fragrance if you if you concentrate the the smelly parts of peas enough

13:40SPEAKERYeah, or alternately if you get asparagus and have that particular gene, I guess I guess anything can have a fragrance if you want it

13:47SPEAKERBad enough. I'm gonna go and tell you Brad the pea butter is a remarkable

13:52SPEAKERLike it is if you ever have the chance if you ever at someplace and they're like, hey, we have pea butter

13:56SPEAKERYou try the pea butter interesting. Oh, you know, I'll give it a shot

14:00SPEAKERI like all I eat all vegetables all fruit

14:03SPEAKERLike I'm like the least picky eater you've ever met but peas pretty far down on the on the priority list for me

14:09SPEAKERBut imagine a pea that was like a million times more concentrated than them than the pea you normally eat

14:16SPEAKERYeah, anyway

14:18SPEAKERSo we're kicking off our potpourri. I guess we kicked off our potpourri by talking about the art of noise exhibit in San Francisco MOMA

14:24SPEAKERYes, unexpectedly. Yeah, it wasn't on the list. But but but we're gonna talk about steam deck OS

14:32SPEAKERhomebrew versions basically a steam OS like ways ways to get the steam OS experience not on a steam deck I guess is what we're

14:39SPEAKERBasically talking about here or or similar experiences. Yeah, or ways to get the steam deck OS experience on

14:44SPEAKERNon steam deck handhelds. It's the other way to look at it, right? Oh sure. Yeah, I forgot there are other

14:50SPEAKERX86 handhelds out there. I was thinking more in the vein of your B links and stuff like that

14:55SPEAKERWell, so so that's that's definitely my intent with these. I so over PC world. I've been working on this for a couple weeks

15:01SPEAKERWe have the first video coming up. It'll maybe out by the time you see this maybe early next week

15:05SPEAKERbut it's a it's a look at hollow ISO, which is a

15:11SPEAKERlike a

15:12SPEAKERrebuild basically of valves

15:15SPEAKEROf what valve ships on the steam deck. So it has it's running arch. It has proton. It's immutable

15:21SPEAKERIt does all the things that your steam deck does you can boot into the desktop if you want

15:26SPEAKERIt lets you run games with proton. It lets you stream from steam machines

15:30SPEAKERYou you basically install it and then go through the same first-time setup process that you do when you do a steam that when you?

15:36SPEAKERSet up a steam deck other than the fact that it doesn't have a battery and it doesn't have some of the other controls that

15:41SPEAKERyou'd expect from

15:43SPEAKERFrom the handheld device where you like doesn't have a controller doesn't have a touchscreen

15:47SPEAKERIt doesn't have the touch pads doesn't have a battery doesn't have a built-in screen. Yeah real quick

15:51SPEAKERLet me jump before before we get too deep into that where the the second project here will be a bunch of game mod stuff

15:58SPEAKERAbout why did you Waba Jack Waba Jack Waba Jack is how I said it. I don't know and thunderstorm

16:06SPEAKEROverwolf some other stuff. Yes, oddly oddly. We have both been looking at fallout New Vegas lately and

16:12SPEAKERcontext of wanting to play a good fallout game and

16:15SPEAKERAnyway mods game mods and ways to manage them are on the mind. So that'll be the other project here. Yeah

16:21SPEAKERso

16:23SPEAKERso yeah, so hollow ISO is

16:26SPEAKERIs like it's great if you have AMD hardware cuz it actually install and installs all the drivers and stuff for the same AMD hardware

16:33SPEAKERThat's built into the steam deck. So if you have anything that's in that family of our DNA

16:38SPEAKERApu's you're you're good. If not, it's a little hinky

16:42SPEAKERYou have to know how to install drivers and and it's not for everyone would be recommendation

16:47SPEAKERI'm looking at I'm looking at the get up repo first of all this thing this thing kind of strikes me as like what happens

16:52SPEAKERIn the enterprise world around Red Hat Linux. Yeah, when I never I think we talked about this a little bit before

16:58SPEAKERBut I don't think I really fully appreciated what they were doing over there and and this seems like exactly the same thing, right?

17:03SPEAKERSo like like in the Red Hat world Enterprise Linux is I think we've probably talked about this some before it's it's

17:08SPEAKERThe thing that like corporations and like big institutions run because it comes with a lot of support that is extremely expensive

17:14SPEAKERBut because it's all GPL because it's all has to be for open source code because it's built on Linux and you know

17:19SPEAKERWe've talked about licensing before because all that code is out there projects like rocky Linux and Alma Linux come along

17:25SPEAKERTake all the Red Hat code and just rebuild it and redistribute it

17:29SPEAKERI mean, obviously there's a lot of work involved there

17:30SPEAKERbut the point is like Red Hat charges for support but their OS can if you put the work in you can just take all that

17:37SPEAKERAnd rebuild it yourself and just get out there and this sounds like a lot like the same thing where somebody is just taking all

17:43SPEAKERof the valve's sources for what they put into steam OS and just kind of rebuilding it or other hardware but in this case like

17:50SPEAKERWhat is valve care like they're not making?

17:53SPEAKERYeah, like if anything that's probably good for valve it's getting steam on more hardware out there

17:58SPEAKERLike I'm sure they're all for this. I think they describe this as 99% valve code

18:03SPEAKEROn the hollow page and and like relatively unchanged, I think yeah

18:08SPEAKERLike it's to the point that you can update steam by hitting the update button in the steam deck OS and it just downloads

18:14SPEAKERThe new binaries, right?

18:15SPEAKEROh, but what I was gonna say though is like you said like it works quite well on AMD AP use because that's what's in

18:21SPEAKERThe steam deck under under GPU set a section though

18:25SPEAKERNvidia GPUs beta Intel GPUs random experience is what it says

18:30SPEAKERYeah, and it's it's for it's a for real Linux random experience and beta

18:35SPEAKERSo I don't think I would maybe the Nvidia GPUs are okay

18:38SPEAKERI haven't actually tested that the Intel GPUs are not to be used on hollow ISO as it is right now

18:44SPEAKEROh, that's actually rough now that I think about it because most of the b-link and similar like the kind of Intel NUC knockoffs

18:51SPEAKERUse Intel CPUs and of course GPUs as well. So that that is a bit rough there

18:56SPEAKERSo the the interesting thing so they well, we'll get to the hardware compatibility a minute

19:01SPEAKERit's it's interesting though because

19:04SPEAKERLike in the world of those NUC those small form-factor boxes, there's not a lot of

19:11SPEAKERAMD AP you based stuff that's in the hundred to two hundred dollar range like which is a real sweet spot for b-link

19:16SPEAKERThere's a lot of like Celeron

19:19SPEAKERbased Intel machines with eight gigs of RAM and like a

19:24SPEAKER256 gig

19:25SPEAKERSSD which would be perfect for this kind of like building a set top

19:30SPEAKERSet top box Steam Deck that just don't exist in in on the AMD side

19:36SPEAKERThey're the one that I tested at PC world is a b-link. That's

19:41SPEAKER$750 box that's like a real it's a real computer, right?

19:44SPEAKERSo is that is that the price range that most of the AMD AP you based stuff is in?

19:49SPEAKERThey're 300 plus is where it kind of starts depending which generation of AP you yet

19:54SPEAKERThey don't go down as low as the Intel ones the benefit of course of using this one

19:58SPEAKERIs it it's a little bit more performant than your Steam Deck APU. Yeah

20:03SPEAKEREspecially especially on the graphics side right like the yeah and Intel Intel integrated graphics

20:08SPEAKERI think is going to get a lot better

20:09SPEAKERThe next generation is the first one that's based on arc, you know, the Intel's got their arc geo discrete GPUs out there

20:15SPEAKERYeah, and starting with actually meteor lake and laptops. I think uses that now, but it's just stripped down though

20:23SPEAKERYeah, yeah

20:23SPEAKERIt's yeah, it's gonna be reduced but but all the all the all the Intel CPUs are gonna be using our graphics going forward

20:29SPEAKERWhich which should help some there but but yeah AMD's definitely got the edge

20:32SPEAKERWell, it won't help with hollow ISO because the drivers for you just don't exist

20:36SPEAKERBut yeah

20:37SPEAKERLike the the graphics on these on these small APU type machines are gonna continue to get better

20:43SPEAKERNow the the problem even though it is a faster APU than the one in the Steam Deck and it has a higher

20:48SPEAKERThermal profile higher TDP is that you're running at 1280 by 800 on the Steam Deck

20:55SPEAKERSo if you run cyberpunk at 1280 by 800 runs reasonably well on the Steam Deck if you're running it on a 4k TV

21:01SPEAKERIt's not gonna run like nothing hardly anything ran at 4k even on this $800 steam link box

21:07SPEAKERYeah, this is a few I bet it's I bet it's decent for 1080p though

21:13SPEAKERWhich like I mean nobody likes running at lower resolution than their screen but like it's 4k, you know, come on

21:18SPEAKERYou've got to accept some compromises for small hardware here, but 1080p does scale nicely to 4k

21:23SPEAKERSo well, so just say I tested that and it worked it worked quite well

21:26SPEAKERThe the way you do the scaling in Steam Deck OS it's important to note

21:31SPEAKERAlso, there's steam OS which is the old Linux that they built for steam for those steam machines like ten years ago

21:37SPEAKERYeah

21:38SPEAKERthis is this is the most valve thing ever when I went to go read about this stuff the valves steam OS page and

21:43SPEAKERDocumentation is still for that very old Debian based version of steam OS from like ten years ago. Yeah

21:48SPEAKERThey burned the good name on the thing that like eight people bought

21:51SPEAKERI believe it's just if you do want to find info about current steam OS

21:55SPEAKERI believe they refer to it as like steam OS 3.0 or 3.x that makes sense. You must three is the new arch based one

22:02SPEAKERso

22:03SPEAKERthe

22:05SPEAKERThe scaling works. This is a place where hollow so falls down because it does expect you to have a 1280 by 800 screen

22:11SPEAKERIn your device sure. So the way that they do the scaling in

22:16SPEAKERIn Steam Deck OS in the Steam Deck OS is to fix the maximum resolution that the game sees

22:24SPEAKERso like cyberpunk sees a

22:27SPEAKERLower than 1280 by 800 resolution and then scales up using the internal scaler that's built into the APU

22:34SPEAKERWhat that means is when you launch every game the first time until you go into the properties for the game and hollow ISO

22:41SPEAKERYou have to change it from

22:43SPEAKER1280 by 800 to whatever resolution you want it to render at and then it will upscale from there to your monitors native resolution

22:49SPEAKEROkay

22:49SPEAKERIt's works the same way it does on the on the dock

22:52SPEAKERBut there's a little bit of logic on the dock to change those resolutions in a way that makes sense

22:57SPEAKERWhen it detects the dock connected, so it's not it's not completely seamless

23:03SPEAKERIt's like from for me

23:06SPEAKERI think probably this is a thing I might try to install on like an Asus handheld or another APU based handheld

23:13SPEAKERBut I'm probably not gonna put this on a set top box just because it is a little fiddly

23:19SPEAKERThe next one though is interesting

23:23SPEAKERSo there's this there's this thing called bazight bazight bazight bazight bazight is how people say it on YouTube

23:30SPEAKEROkay, okay. It includes support for other hardware. It's built on fedora

23:34SPEAKERIt still uses the steam steam deck, you know front-end UI

23:39SPEAKERBut it also installs a bunch of other stuff that you want for playing games on a Linux machine like Chiaki

23:44SPEAKERWhich lets you stream from a PlayStation or it gives you the option to rather lets you install emu deck Chiaki

23:51SPEAKERStuff like that. Yeah, I'll mention real quick before we fully move on from hollow ISO on the topic of hardware support

23:56SPEAKERI noticed in there for example under under W land, which would I guess would be Wi-Fi

24:01SPEAKERYeah, and and PCI Express additional cards they they point out with the stock steam OS kernel

24:06SPEAKERlike you need you basically need Wi-Fi hardware from before 2021 like that's what is supported because you know again like valve is supporting one

24:13SPEAKERPiece of hardware. Yeah, of course it now but yeah, it's not gonna be built to accommodate all like your other random Wi-Fi hardware

24:20SPEAKERBut they they provide an option here. I see for a more recent Linux kernel with more drivers built into it

24:25SPEAKEROh, that's new. I don't know if that had that when I when I looked at it last it's called Linux is in and I looked

24:30SPEAKERThat up. It's like like it's just it's just a newer kernel that a lot of people a lot of arch users run that just has

24:35SPEAKERA lot of hardware support in it. So they do have there or I guess I should say work is ongoing

24:39SPEAKERIt looks like with hollow ISO to start supporting more hardware than what's in the the steam deck

24:44SPEAKERBut yes was I looks like it is a much more

24:47SPEAKERcomprehensive thing for a desktop

24:50SPEAKERIf you want to have a computer that you can play games on bazite is a not bad place to start. It seems like yeah

24:56SPEAKERYou can choose to boot directly into the steam deck front end

25:00SPEAKERIt's it is also immutable in the same way that that hollow ISO is which we should probably talk about

25:05SPEAKERI don't know if we've ever talked about that before we should

25:08SPEAKERImmutable file system and immutable OS is like kind of the hotness in the Linux world

25:12SPEAKERIn the last few years like it's getting way more common like everywhere for an enterprise

25:16SPEAKERLike I've been I've seen like people in the links channel in the discord recently have been talking about like in the enterprise like Kubernetes world

25:22SPEAKEROS's like the quote-unquote OS's are basically just becoming containers now like your whole like root file system operating system is just a container and but

25:30SPEAKEReven here

25:31SPEAKERWith with bazite bazite is based on fedora fedora

25:35SPEAKERYeah, which is which is kind of the bleed like somewhat more bleeding edge red hat. It's like the development

25:41SPEAKERIt's like the development branch for red hat kind of rain for fedora kind of leads red hat in development

25:46SPEAKERBut there's been a thing. I don't I haven't looked into this too much

25:48SPEAKERThere's been a thing called fedora silver blue for a long time, which is made by red hat as I understand it

25:54SPEAKERIt is put out officially as part of the fedora project, which is that it's an immutable version of fedora

25:59SPEAKERBut it looks like bazite is using something called OS tree, which I've seen around a lot

26:04SPEAKERWhich is a more generalized way of getting immutable file system

26:07SPEAKERHey folks Brad here from the future after that probably overly long-winded explanation

26:12SPEAKERJust a little fact check and it turns out OS tree is in fact the core technology at the heart of fedora

26:18SPEAKERSilver blue that makes that immutable. So those are very tightly intertwined. They are not separate things

26:25SPEAKERback to

26:26SPEAKERThe show what we should say is we should explain what immutable file systems are. Okay, Linux is a lot, right?

26:33SPEAKERYeah, if you're an if you're a new user

26:35SPEAKERTraditionally Linux has been a lot to figure out and like the risk of screwing up your system by doing something

26:41SPEAKERYou didn't know how to handle properly is extremely high something that seemed innocuous, right?

26:46SPEAKERMaybe maybe an easier way to think about it is it's just it's a read-only file system

26:50SPEAKERLike you can't touch the important bits

26:51SPEAKERYou can't like randomly delete some library you need if you don't know what you're doing and and it versions your operating system

26:58SPEAKERSo when you when you get an update to the OS

27:00SPEAKERYou're just getting a new a new image basically and it keeps the old ones around and then the file system

27:05SPEAKERFile system lets you like put stuff on top of that like it like there's like a shadow file system that lives

27:11SPEAKERIn your home folder or something. Yeah, you'll have some user area that you can write to like nor you can use the computer like normal

27:16SPEAKERIt's just that the the parts that make the computer work can't be messed with in a way that'll break stuff

27:21SPEAKERAnd I noticed right here on the the site page

27:23SPEAKERI think this is this is an OS tree level feature

27:25SPEAKERBut like if you run an update and something breaks it keeps the old version of the OS around and so you can just boot

27:30SPEAKERback into the previous version if the update breaks and

27:33SPEAKERKeep going like there's no risk to your system when you're doing high-level stuff like updates and you can even pin old versions

27:38SPEAKERSo they're like, hey, you know just like pin the last known good one if you're installing beta drivers for your GPU or whatever

27:43SPEAKERSo, oh, there you go

27:44SPEAKERYeah

27:45SPEAKERSo so it makes it easier to manage basically it makes it less likely that and Linux neophyte who might be using a gaming based

27:51SPEAKERLinux distro is gonna jack something up to the yeah, they can't fix it

27:55SPEAKERYeah, and let's be real like that is the constituency for this kind of feature

27:58SPEAKERLike I kind of I mean, you know Twitter algorithms obviously like serve few things that you've been looking at

28:03SPEAKERSo this is somewhat self-inflicted, but I've been seeing a lot of stuff coming across my feed recently

28:08SPEAKERPeople who are like super unhappy with Windows 11 Microsoft telemetry, you name it UI changes like for whatever reason

28:15SPEAKERThey're just over windows

28:16SPEAKERand so there's seems like a an increasing influx of people to Linux now that you can run games in it the the

28:23SPEAKERFor me, honestly, it's the co-pilot thing is gonna push me out of the edge because it's so intrusive

28:29SPEAKERThat's difficult to turn off

28:30SPEAKERThat's the one I was trying to think of and couldn't I think the co-pilot thing might have been the deal breaker for a lot

28:35SPEAKEROf people. Yeah as an aside. This is the most cursed phrase. Oh, no, but I've heard in a while

28:41SPEAKERWe should talk about the apparently growing phenomenon of the windows distro sometime soon

28:46SPEAKERYeah, okay. People are out there

28:48SPEAKERThere's some whole movement now of people making custom versions of windows that you can download ISOs of oh, yeah, that sounds great

28:55SPEAKERWhat could possibly go wrong?

28:57SPEAKERSupposedly like debloted versions of windows that have like what they consider extraneous system services removed and stuff

29:04SPEAKERWell, I mean there is an argument for like turning off the ad serving the start menu and all that kind of crap

29:10SPEAKERDefinitely. I mean, I think that the people who are doing this right are just saying like hey do that yourself like download

29:15SPEAKERLike look at a guide and just do a vanilla install and do all that yourself

29:18SPEAKERBut maybe don't maybe don't trust like some random distribution of windows that somebody has messed with we do that with Linux Brad

29:25SPEAKERIt's the same thing

29:28SPEAKERAnyway, yeah, so okay back to bazite though. It supports other hardware. That's the big deal

29:33SPEAKERIt supports a video hardware. It supports Intel hardware

29:36SPEAKERI've run it on an Intel like NUC style small be a beeling style small form factor box machine

29:42SPEAKERAnd it works great now

29:45SPEAKERGaming performance not necessarily there because those those machines don't have big GPUs in them or even big integrated GPUs in them

29:52SPEAKERbut if you want to build something that works for streaming say from your

29:56SPEAKERBig PC in your office or your or your den into the tea other TVs in the house. It's fantastic for that

30:03SPEAKERAnd it was relatively easy to set up even on like a hundred dollar

30:08SPEAKERIntel machine. Yeah, this thing comes with a lot of stuff as I scroll through it

30:12SPEAKERLike it has it has something called Lutris which I've heard of before

30:15SPEAKERYeah, Lutris is kind of a front end for installing other Windows game clients

30:20SPEAKERso things like battle net and

30:23SPEAKEROnline and the Ubisoft store and origin or EA the EA store. It's not origin anymore

30:29SPEAKERI don't know. Yeah, gosh, this is the epic GOG humble bundle steam, of course

30:33SPEAKERI mean the origin like you said the other stuff also looks like a lot of emulator stuff is supported here MAME retro arts come VM

30:40SPEAKERYes, I guess this is like kind of a one-stop shop for just supporting every way to get games and windows on Linux pretty pretty much

30:47SPEAKERYou know, it's still it still doesn't support the anti-cheat stuff like some of the anti-cheat stuff that for for example

30:55SPEAKERThe fortnight doesn't have Linux anti-cheat I think for pretty specific reasons related to epics relationship with valve

31:02SPEAKERBut games that do have anti-cheat like hell divers, for example

31:06SPEAKEROriginally launched without steam deck support people complained and they just they started shipping the Linux version of their anti-cheat immediately, right?

31:13SPEAKERAnd it works on steam deck. It works on bazite. It works on a hollow ISO

31:18SPEAKERSo I guess that's the blocker for fortnight on Linux right like epic owns easy anti-cheat, right?

31:24SPEAKERWell easy anti-cheat has a Linux version epic was chosen not to ship Linux version of easy anti-cheat. That's even worse

31:30SPEAKERIt's a political choice. Not a

31:33SPEAKERYeah, I assume there just was no Linux support for easy is the only thing for my uses, right?

31:37SPEAKERIs that that is I think they use multiple things, but I do okay

31:40SPEAKERMy understanding is that there's there are definitely games that use easy anti-cheat that work on Linux. Oh wow

31:46SPEAKERI had no idea that they oh, okay, that sucks

31:50SPEAKERIt also includes the decky loader, which is a really cool thing that lets you take all of the like the hard part of all

31:56SPEAKERof these other all of these other add-ons is that

32:01SPEAKERYou don't have an easy way to get them into your 10-foot UI in the steam deck UI

32:06SPEAKERDecky loader lets you do that. So it lets you look at all the stuff that you put into em, you deck

32:10SPEAKERIt lets you see look at all the stuff that you've put into

32:13SPEAKERChiaki and and the different the different installers and it makes art it up

32:20SPEAKERblocks

32:21SPEAKERFor the steam UI for all these things so you can use one UI to rule them all which is really really nice

32:27SPEAKERThat would pull in from the other Windows storefronts as well like epic and GOG. I

32:32SPEAKERThink well, it pulls the apps from the other storefronts

32:34SPEAKERYou have to have installed them with the other storefronts right in the desktop version

32:38SPEAKERAnd then what what it does is it pulls it pulls images and stuff from the steam grid DB

32:44SPEAKERI think is what it's called, which is a database of non steam games with like key art in steam game in Steam's

32:52SPEAKERThree or four formats sure kind of a general question about steam OS

32:57SPEAKERHow tightly integrated is steam like the steam client with the desktop?

33:00SPEAKERIs it at all or is it just still kind of its own standalone thing?

33:03SPEAKERSo on the desktop it runs as it's normal. It runs just like it does on Windows the the thing that it does on

33:10SPEAKERHolloway, so I can't if it does this on bazite, but they have profiles for game pads

33:14SPEAKERSo that you can like Mouse with the right stick and and right click and left click with the triggers

33:20SPEAKERIf you don't have a keyboard mouse attached

33:23SPEAKERWhich which of course those only run while steam is active

33:26SPEAKERSo if you have to update steam or something

33:27SPEAKERThen it's then you're not gonna have any mouse control unless you plug a mouse and keyboard

33:30SPEAKERWhile the updates running but other than that, there's no like like there's there's desktop shortcuts that take you back to steam the 10-foot UI

33:39SPEAKERBut that's that's pretty much it. It's it's pretty it's pretty light

33:43SPEAKERGot it

33:44SPEAKERI asked because there's a section on the bazite page that says use your favorite desktop environment and they've got KDE plasma

33:49SPEAKERWhich I think is what steam OS uses by default, but they also have like the gnome desktop

33:53SPEAKERand I was really I was just wondering like how much does

33:58SPEAKERbazite feel like steam OS or using a steam deck out of the box if

34:01SPEAKERYou don't change a bunch of stuff to replicate that experience pretty closely

34:05SPEAKERSo the desktop on steam OS doesn't feel super steamy other than the fact that there's a steam wallpaper got it, right? Okay

34:13SPEAKERLike you can download stuff from dolphin and like it's it feels like it feels like arch with a little bit of a steam

34:19SPEAKERTinge, it doesn't feel like steam if that makes sense. Got it

34:25SPEAKERSo so yeah, that's that's pretty much it

34:28SPEAKERLike it works. I was shocked at how well how well this whole thing works

34:34SPEAKERThe resolution again depend especially on the lower spec Intel

34:38SPEAKERSmall boxes isn't going to be great

34:40SPEAKERthen the next thing I want to do at PC world and I've not a chance to do it yet is install it on some of

34:44SPEAKERthe install these on some of the other handhelds and

34:46SPEAKERSee what the experience is like there because I think Adam over PC world

34:51SPEAKERI did a video about this a couple weeks ago after Jeff grub had said something that he found controversial

34:58SPEAKERJust to pull all of our past lives together

35:00SPEAKERIs which is that he thought that the steam the steam deck?

35:05SPEAKERinterface was dramatically better than the windows-based interfaces that

35:09SPEAKERAsus and MSI and all the other company Lenovo and the other companies working in that space have rolled out

35:14SPEAKERWait, is that controversial? I thought that was a fairly common opinion

35:17SPEAKERI I mean, it depends on whether you're looking for a console for PC games or whether you're looking for

35:25SPEAKERSomething that can play every PC game ever right the the windows side is better if you want

35:31SPEAKERMass-compatibility the the steam deck like the ability to turn off the machine

35:35SPEAKERHave it go to sleep and save your state in the game and do all the stuff that the steam deck just does because it

35:40SPEAKERIt behaves like a handheld gaming system

35:43SPEAKERIs is really nice the the the?

35:46SPEAKERThe windows ones behave like laptops that you're playing a game on which is always a bad experience right for me

35:52SPEAKERYeah, I think we talked about this. Yeah, we've talked about it before

35:56SPEAKERI think it's kind of an open question if Microsoft is probably working on some kind of steam OS style version of Windows for handhelds

36:02SPEAKERWho can say I mean before they started talking about?

36:05SPEAKERXbox as if it was a dead brand I would have probably said they were but I don't know

36:09SPEAKERI don't know if that's the case anymore. Who knows what the business initiative is now

36:12SPEAKERYeah, it's I don't know how you tie services to Windows for games. So

36:17SPEAKERAnyway, so that's it. I'd be curious what people think

36:20SPEAKERI'm sure that there are people in the audience that have that have been experimenting with this stuff because it's it's

36:24SPEAKERIt's I'll say it's much further along than I expected

36:28SPEAKERokay, I feel like it's if you want a box that you can put in your living room or on you know connect to TVs around

36:34SPEAKERYour house and stream your giant gaming PC just as an anecdote. We didn't put this in the video

36:40SPEAKERI don't think but we were testing in my

36:43SPEAKERone of these small boxes at the PC World Office where they have pretty good internet obviously and

36:48SPEAKERI accidentally can I thought I was connecting to a computer across the lab?

36:53SPEAKERBut I accidentally connected to my computer at home

36:56SPEAKERIt was playing hell divers from like 15 miles away

37:00SPEAKERWow, and didn't realize it for kind of long time because it worked so well, that's cool. Yeah

37:06SPEAKERNow so so yeah, like it was I mean, it's obviously fiber at home nice PC at home fiber

37:13SPEAKERYou know five gigabit something internet at their office

37:16SPEAKERso like we had we had a hundred times the bandwidth we needed but but the experience was really good and

37:22SPEAKERAnd like totally playable and like I was I was kind of blown away

37:28SPEAKERSo, yeah, like it's it's

37:31SPEAKERIt's moving in the right direction

37:33SPEAKERAnd I think it is I think I think increasingly it's a viable option for people who want to use Linux instead of Windows

37:39SPEAKERAnd still play games. That's very cool. Like like I said earlier

37:42SPEAKERI think that is an increasing number of people that might be me if I lose living a different life

37:46SPEAKERLike I just can't I can't deal with any amount of incompatibility right now and the type of work that I do

37:53SPEAKERYou play games right like stuff stuff made for I need to just be able to run stuff made for Windows without any headache

37:59SPEAKERwhatsoever

37:59SPEAKERbut like I feel like even I am kind of getting to the point where I feel like it would be cool to

38:04SPEAKERSwitch to Linux on the desktop if I didn't have those requirements

38:08SPEAKER2025 is the year of Linux on the desktop, baby. Finally here

38:11SPEAKERI mean

38:12SPEAKERIt's only taking 25 years like games and Adobe crap were the two reasons

38:17SPEAKERI didn't run Linux on the desktop for a long long time and games is almost entirely a solved problem

38:22SPEAKERyeah, and also Adobe crap is kind of its own solved problem as well increasingly the

38:28SPEAKERAlternatives to Adobe stuff are workable these days. So anyway, yeah, I'd love to hear feedback on bazite hall

38:34SPEAKERI so if you've experimented what you'd like to know more we're gonna keep doing videos about them at PC world. So

38:41SPEAKERincluding trying some handheld stuff trying I want to try bazite on other hardware and see what see what it looks like and and

38:48SPEAKERYeah, let us know what you think. I'll throw links to all these projects in the show notes if you want to look at them

38:54SPEAKERyourself

39:01SPEAKERI'm gonna get yelled at for saying this. Oh

39:04SPEAKERMods are back, baby

39:05SPEAKERWell, I shipped a game last year that had mod support for the record. Did they ever go away?

39:11SPEAKERKind of no. No, I don't think so. No, but like but they like they've ebbed in ebbed in

39:18SPEAKERSupposite of ebbed flowed ebbed and flowed load. I don't know accident waned. Yeah, they've waxed and waned over the years

39:24SPEAKERI don't know mods mods have never been more waxed than now. Wait, it's waxed big

39:29SPEAKERI guess way has smallest to Wayne is to reduce. Yeah, but yeah, we're talking about game modifications just in case

39:37SPEAKERCar mods are hot too. That's true. You can buy just about anything if you put your mind to it

39:42SPEAKERYeah

39:42SPEAKERI was looking for a I looked for a thing my new car if I wanted to lock the doors when I walk away

39:47SPEAKERyou can get a thing that that when the lights turn off if you wire it into the lights and now while the

39:54SPEAKERTriggers the auto lock when the when the lights go off. Oh, yeah, aren't you leasing? I am I'm not gonna do that

40:02SPEAKERYes

40:03SPEAKERAnyway, some dealers will do that for you if you complain to them though. That's cool. Yes, that's pretty neat

40:10SPEAKERYeah, okay

40:11SPEAKERAre you have you taken the same path to being interested in mods that I have because it turned out we were both looking at

40:16SPEAKERFallout New Vegas mods independently and in my case, it was really liking that Fallout show. Well, okay

40:21SPEAKERYeah

40:21SPEAKERSo I my path started a while I started looking at mods when I was working the anacrusis because we know she added mod support to

40:28SPEAKERthe game like to

40:29SPEAKER2022 I think our 2023 and

40:32SPEAKERI played a lot of like games that had over wolf mods back then but it was pretty straight

40:38SPEAKERIt's pretty straightforward

40:39SPEAKERLike, you know going to their their list and hitting a button in and checks it into Minecraft for you or whatever, right?

40:47SPEAKERI

40:49SPEAKERWhen they are friends over at the more civilized age Rob and Austin and Allie and Natalie

40:54SPEAKERWe're talking about Kotor during the the writers and actors strike last year. I

41:00SPEAKERWas like I'm gonna play Kotor and then I tried to get Kotor running by manually installing like 50 mods and I was like

41:06SPEAKERI'm never gonna play Kotor again

41:07SPEAKERThey got to do a remaster of this thing because playing Xbox original Xbox games in 2024 on

41:14SPEAKERA widescreen monitor is an enormous pain in the ass. I believe it

41:18SPEAKERI ended up playing a little bit on backcompat on the Xbox because it was much much easier

41:24SPEAKERBut um, but yeah, so I I also been playing rounds, which is another mod game

41:30SPEAKERI've been playing that for the last like three four months now, but you fall out is what why we started talking about this

41:35SPEAKERYes, that show is pretty good. Yes, like I

41:39SPEAKERShowed it to Gina and was like hey, do you want to watch this fall out show?

41:41SPEAKERI'm gonna watch this fall out show and she watched the trailer. She's like, no, I'm good. Have fun

41:45SPEAKERAnd and so it's like when I wake up in the morning and nobody's in the house

41:49SPEAKERI put on my head headphones and lay down in the living room and watch it on the TV and it's quite good

41:53SPEAKEROh, I was expecting some redemption story here where everybody in the house got way into it

41:58SPEAKERBut oh, it's too gross for everybody in the house because it's a fallout show. It's pretty gross

42:04SPEAKERThere's like look the salamander the giant salamander with fingers in the mouth is a nightmare

42:09SPEAKERIt's I don't I realize that's a canonical monster from the down from the games

42:13SPEAKERI find that one fairly low on the list of grotesquerie in that show. There's some really gnarly personal injury in there

42:20SPEAKERwell, it's it's kind of

42:22SPEAKERIt reminds me of the transition from like doom 2 and doom 1 to doom 3 and then and the nude and doom

42:30SPEAKERI guess doom and doom eternal right like when you're playing those old 8-bit 16-bit

42:36SPEAKERearly first-person shooter is the violence is a little cartoonish and when

42:41SPEAKERlike and so like over-the-top gore and like 16 ribcages exploding out of some monster when you when you frag it our

42:48SPEAKERFeel a little bit less violent than like the thing with subsurface scattering on the skin and and yeah anyway

42:56SPEAKERIt's like I didn't realize half-life was a horror game until I played half-life 2 really

43:01SPEAKERSo anyway, yeah, that shows good though. Yeah, a lot of good cannibalism stuff a lot of weird vault sex stuff

43:09SPEAKERIt's oh, it's a real weird show

43:10SPEAKERIt's delightful and it got me thinking about finally playing Fallout New Vegas, which I have never played before

43:15SPEAKERI played the first 45 minutes of it several times and then it bombed out or lost my save or did something and I was

43:20SPEAKERLike I'm never gonna play this game again because it's busted but that's the thing

43:23SPEAKERI think New Vegas is actually like the ultimate example of what we're talking about here because to this day

43:28SPEAKEReverybody will tell you hey a you should really play it but B you can't play it without 800 mods that fix all of the

43:34SPEAKERProblems with it because it barely runs otherwise and and I looked at that and I looked at the list of mods

43:40SPEAKERYou had to install and I was like, oh no, I'm not gonna do this

43:43SPEAKERThen we were in a discord with a friend and the friend was like, hey

43:46SPEAKERYou can just use you wah, but Jack to install all of these and I was like, wait what?

43:48SPEAKERYes, and and they use the term wah, but Jack in the most like matter of fact contextless way

43:54SPEAKERYeah, they didn't say wah, but Jack yet or wah, but Jack off or anything like that

43:57SPEAKERIt was just like wah, but Jack the mods in and you're good to go

44:01SPEAKERIt was just like oh, yeah, the wah, but Jack makes it really easy. And I was just like, I'm sorry the what Jack I

44:06SPEAKERHad the exact same reaction to that conversation that you did

44:09SPEAKERI was like wait what there's a thing that makes this easy and then I went to see if it worked on Kotor and of course

44:12SPEAKERIt doesn't yes, but if you go to wah, but Jack org it says right here an automated mod list installer

44:18SPEAKERYeah, and the neat thing have you done it yet? Have you done?

44:20SPEAKEROh, I haven't mess with I don't I did download wah, but Jack and kind of I have got it running right in front of me

44:25SPEAKERActually, yes, like I have a good sense of how it works

44:28SPEAKERBut it is literally it is literally just an open-source mod manager that ties into the Nexus mods API

44:34SPEAKERWhich I didn't realize they even had an API. That's cool

44:36SPEAKERYeah

44:37SPEAKERThis is why they have an API so you can do a mod manager that because um, I want to say

44:42SPEAKEROne of the other a lot of the Kotor mods were on Nexus mods as well

44:45SPEAKERYeah, Nexus is always has been the canonical like mod repository that everybody uses to me

44:51SPEAKERThere's like now there's over wolf and like mod i/o, but those are like business businesses Nexus is a business business, too

44:58SPEAKERRight, but from but from the ground up though, like Nexus mods

45:01SPEAKERI think has been around forever and started as a more grassroots thing and now monetizes, right?

45:06SPEAKERSo from my research doing their cruises stuff

45:09SPEAKERIt all depends on the game like which store is the popular one depends on the game

45:14SPEAKERYou're talking about over wolf is wildly popular for Minecraft mods. Okay, I can see them and and it's all segmented the what's the Australian?

45:22SPEAKERMod mod. I owe I think on mod. I owe mod. I owe is a lot of like source games and first-person shooters and stuff

45:28SPEAKERLike that that don't have steam mod support steam actually has white like wide mod support in a pretty good infrastructure

45:35SPEAKERThe problem with steam is that you can only it only works on steam

45:37SPEAKERSo you can't like you can't do mods on consoles and stuff like you came with overall for mod that I owe anyway

45:42SPEAKERYes, Nexus mods API is really cool. And it means that especially if you pay for API access

45:48SPEAKERYou pay for their fast download service, which is maybe the first time that's ever been worth paying for

45:53SPEAKERYou don't have to click buttons to install 150 fallout new vegas mods. Yeah, I clicked

46:00SPEAKER153 download buttons separated by five seconds each

46:04SPEAKERbecause I'm cheap and unemployed or lightly employed I guess and

46:09SPEAKERYeah, I just did in the background was doing other stuff one morning. It seems pretty nice from clicking around

46:14SPEAKERI mean like it's just an exe that you download it. So there's not even an install an installer

46:19SPEAKERBut you open it and it's just immediately right in your face like a nice nice illustrated browser, you know

46:24SPEAKERNice my key art for every mod pack

46:27SPEAKERYou just kind of go through and on a one-click install stuff. It's also there was still on each of the mod packs

46:33SPEAKERThere's still a hey, you have to do this other stuff afterwards

46:36SPEAKERbut it's like it was a relatively manageable list of like four tasks not

46:41SPEAKERFour tasks for each of the hundred and fifty mods that you wanted to install. So yeah. Yeah highly recommended

46:46SPEAKERI played like two hours of Fallout New Vegas after after installing all this stuff didn't crash

46:51SPEAKERI do I did like that they were they said hey if you're using AMD hardware

46:55SPEAKERYou got to use DX VK because the Vulcan implementation fixes the crashing that happens on AMD cards

47:02SPEAKERWhich it's amazing that that game is like what 10 years old 15 years old now and still has AMD crash bugs

47:10SPEAKERBut yeah, it's like it felt it like the thing that I will say is that the mods that were in this we we we

47:15SPEAKERWere recommended the Viva New Vegas pack. Yeah to play this. Yes, which

47:20SPEAKERSeems like an absolutely monumental amount of work to install manually

47:24SPEAKERIt would be I don't I don't I don't know that you could successfully do it

47:28SPEAKERCuz I think if you miss one step along the way you're you'll be out of sync and stuff will get jacked up. Yeah

47:35SPEAKERThat was what happened with me with KOTOR basically is it was the same kind of thing like install a hundred mods to fix like

47:40SPEAKERwide supreme support and mouse

47:42SPEAKERLike mouse stuff and high resolutions and all that stuff and then if you missed one thing or didn't do one thing

47:47SPEAKERRight, it didn't throw an error and you had to start over from the scratch. Yeah

47:53SPEAKERThis this is pretty great because I mean a I don't have time to play old games realistically anyway

47:58SPEAKERBut be if I did the thing that would have kept me from playing New Vegas is just the uncertainty around like what do I?

48:03SPEAKERNeed like what is the canonical set of mods?

48:05SPEAKERI need to fix this game and make it playable and modern and like researching that and not just doing the research

48:11SPEAKERBut also like trusting an authority on it is tough, you know, it's like yeah

48:14SPEAKERIs this reddit post from four years ago the list that I need is the steam community thread?

48:19SPEAKERThat's six months newer the one, you know, like it's just like I don't know what to do

48:23SPEAKERbut this really does make it pretty one click to

48:27SPEAKERJust say hey, I've probably or close to you. Well, okay 152 clicks, but you know, I mean the point is though

48:33SPEAKERLike okay, this is probably the closest thing to a canonical list of necessary mods that exists for this game to just get me going

48:40SPEAKERyeah, and and

48:42SPEAKERLike I will say it felt really good

48:44SPEAKERIt felt like Fallout 4 when I was playing it right like it felt like the mouse the mouse movement felt right the key bindings

48:50SPEAKERWere all good. The inventory stuff was relatively manageable

48:52SPEAKERIt was like it felt like I wrote the the nicest thing I can say about a remaster

48:57SPEAKERis that it feels like I remembered the old version of the game playing when I played it and and this felt like I

49:03SPEAKERRemembered playing Fallout 3 when I played it on the Xbox or PC back in the day. So that's good. That's good

49:07SPEAKERI did this is this is a random aside. I became aware of this mod

49:10SPEAKERHave you seen this and looking at the stuff called a tale of two wastelands? Is this the one that connects the two fallouts?

49:16SPEAKERYes, it integrates all of the fallout 3 content into the new Vegas engine and makes that wow

49:22SPEAKERApparently there's like a tram or something. There's some kind of shuttle from DC to Vegas

49:27SPEAKERThere's an in-world shuttle that you get on that you ride between the two games

49:31SPEAKERBut you're you're using the same character across both games. Oh, that's interesting

49:34SPEAKERI don't know

49:35SPEAKERI don't know if you get to pick which game you start in or you might have to start fallout 3 for I think I think

49:39SPEAKERIt might be mandatory you start in fallout 3 and make your character there

49:42SPEAKERBut then you know same level same perks same everything that you just take back and forth between the two games

49:47SPEAKERwhich is apparently like quite a nice way to play those games and brings like

49:51SPEAKERFallout new Vegas quality of life UI stuff back into all three, which is cool

49:56SPEAKERYeah, it's it's funny cuz I I don't I don't I guess I remembered this from before

50:02SPEAKERI had a save in steam for fallout new Vegas, which I thought was funny

50:05SPEAKERIt just downloaded when I downloaded the game. Yeah, but I don't know that

50:10SPEAKERI don't know that I remembered that

50:12SPEAKERFallout new Vegas is the one that starts with you not being a fault dweller

50:16SPEAKERLike this is a minor spoiler for the first like two seconds of the game

50:19SPEAKERI guess so I apologize if people are upset about a 20 year old game

50:22SPEAKERBut but um, that feels like not a fallout like I feel like fallout games. You should always be a vault dweller, right? Yeah

50:29SPEAKERYeah

50:30SPEAKERAn origin, right? Oh, yeah, but I'm torn on that kind of stuff

50:33SPEAKERLike it's also nice to kind of let go of the sacred cows of a franchise sometimes

50:37SPEAKERWell, that's true sake of in the sake of doing something new. That's true

50:40SPEAKERIt plays good plays. Well, I was I was stoked. That's cool

50:44SPEAKERI still I would like to play it at some point if I ever had the time

50:47SPEAKERIf only you had some sort of a stream where you could load it up like one one day a week and play a couple hours

50:52SPEAKERWell, I am currently playing fallout one on a stream. Oh, man, that's a mistake. Oh, that's probably that's I'm enjoying it

50:59SPEAKERSo I've only done one stream, but it was pretty long stream. And yeah, I quite enjoyed it so far

51:04SPEAKERI think I bounced off of that in the 90s

51:06SPEAKERBut it might have been when first-person shooters were starting to come out and I was like, oh man

51:09SPEAKERShe didn't stuff in the face more than shooting him from overhead. Literally exactly my case

51:13SPEAKERI was too busy playing quake and other first-person shooters to even pay attention to the release of something like fallout

51:20SPEAKERFor a second like it's the way they do it's a more modern game

51:23SPEAKERWhich is relevant the last thing real quick before we move on from Wada Jack

51:27SPEAKERI just wanted to note how kind of necessary stuff like this is these days like the mod

51:33SPEAKEREcosystem and just like the use of mods has become so huge

51:36SPEAKERI was clicking around in the gallery for games and mods that are supported by this thing. I ended up with something called

51:42SPEAKERSlitikins strenuous Skyrim and I looked at the description for it

51:46SPEAKERI like this is not the first time I've seen something like this

51:48SPEAKERbut it says Slitikins strenuous Skyrim is an add-on for the Phoenix flavor and I'm like

51:53SPEAKERBut what the hell is the but you might guess the Phoenix flavor is already a very comprehensive like mod total conversion type thing

52:01SPEAKERFor Skyrim so like oh, of course the point is there are named mods for named mods for named mods at this point

52:06SPEAKERYou know like mods for mods for mods

52:08SPEAKERso like that just makes this kind of thing even more necessary with with this kind of

52:13SPEAKERLayered metamod situation going on. Well, and there are mods with dependencies is the other thing that's important to like like

52:21SPEAKERLike this is why I was wanted to talk about rounds is because rounds has rounds is a unity game

52:26SPEAKERThat came out a couple years ago

52:27SPEAKERThat's a like an arena combat like one screen arena combat game where you you have these you control these little balls and you shoot each

52:34SPEAKEROther but the interesting thing about it is as a perk system

52:37SPEAKERSo you start everybody starts with one perk and the perks are like your bullets are big or your bullets do like more damage

52:43SPEAKERBut move some more slowly or stuff like that

52:45SPEAKERUsually usually there's something good and something bad about them

52:49SPEAKERWhen you win you get nothing, but when you lose you get another perk

52:52SPEAKERSo it kind of automatically rubber bands and by default it's a 1v1 game, which is fine

52:57SPEAKERBut it lacks an element of chaos that I kind of appreciate

53:01SPEAKERwhen you

53:04SPEAKERWhen you add mod support you can play with up to like 12 players

53:08SPEAKERSo you have these little tiny arenas that are designed for 1v1 fights with 12 people just wailing on each other in there

53:15SPEAKERand each time you lose 11 of those 12 people get more powerful and

53:20SPEAKERThe it becomes chaos like I play this on my stream fairly regularly and it's a game that we kind of play to the death

53:27SPEAKERwhich means

53:29SPEAKERWhen the PCs can no longer handle the amount of graphics nonsense that's happening on the screen and the game crashes

53:35SPEAKERThat's when we stop it's a good time to tap out. Yeah

53:39SPEAKERBut the neat thing about it is it unity a lot of unity games if you know

53:44SPEAKERThe function calls and the names of the function calls. You're trying to inject code into you could just add your own code

53:51SPEAKERAnd because unity is relatively easy to decompile and break down and like extract the projects from the from the shipping games

53:59SPEAKERIt's it's a possibility to be clear not a supported feature though of unity

54:04SPEAKERpeople people people have

54:07SPEAKERDoc, if you document your API calls and stuff like that

54:10SPEAKERIt absolutely can be if you don't and people have to reverse engineer it. It is not how's that?

54:16SPEAKERThe the

54:18SPEAKERYou can manually install a bunch of these mods. But like I said, they're almost all of these have dependencies

54:23SPEAKERSo like there are mods that depend on bug fixes from the original game

54:28SPEAKERwhere people changed the way the

54:31SPEAKERCalculations on such-and-such happen and you have to have those dependencies installed for other mods to work and card packs and all that stuff

54:37SPEAKERSo like there's kind of broad categories of quality of life stuff new maps

54:43SPEAKERNew weapons new perk cards and then the but like the underlying architecture and in in that case you use thunder store

54:51SPEAKERWhich is now a part of over wolf to manage that because that's where the ecosystem for this mod community lives

54:57SPEAKERMods are so popular for that game that they just rolled out. It just released on game pass a couple weeks ago

55:02SPEAKERAnd when they did that they added they updated it for the first time in like two years and added crossplay

55:08SPEAKEROf course all the people who made mods two years ago for this have kind of moved on to other things now

55:13SPEAKERso it immediately broke compatibility with every one of the 2000 mods in the in the mod store and

55:19SPEAKERAs a result they had to they had to roll out and they put a branch on steam for mod players that like gives you

55:25SPEAKERAccess to the most recent mod compatible version of the game. That's that's really that's a really funny use of the steam branch feature

55:31SPEAKERUsually that's usually it's for betas. It's for like hey, here's the next version

55:34SPEAKERWe're testing or whatever

55:35SPEAKERBut like just just to be like hey

55:36SPEAKERWe're just gonna keep a legacy version around because we can't get people to port all this stuff over

55:41SPEAKERI'm gonna tell you my favorite of all time, which is dead cells

55:45SPEAKERDead cells you can go back and play every release version of the game. They have a brand

55:49SPEAKEROh, they never make they never retire the old branches. That's kind of amazing. Yeah

55:54SPEAKERSo that's very cool. If you want to play launch dead cells, you absolutely can on steam. It's amazing

55:59SPEAKERDo they like disable achievements for old versions because sometimes you're gonna like balance things in a way that like oh you nerfed this thing

56:05SPEAKERIt might be harder to get the achievement now. They probably don't care. I think their balance has gone the other way typically

56:10SPEAKEROkay, so generally it becomes a little bit easier or they they did change the way the shields work at some point in that game

56:16SPEAKERBut hey, but anyway, it's a good use of the branches

56:20SPEAKERYeah, so highly highly record like thunderstorm was a was interesting because it does the same thing

56:25SPEAKERwabbajack does is a little bit easier and

56:28SPEAKERThey actually have a neat thing where you can share because you have to like if you if I want to play with you and play

56:32SPEAKERWith the mods we have to have the same mods installed because it's a multiplayer game. It doesn't work obviously with different mods installed

56:38SPEAKERI can just share with you like a 16-digit code and it it'll sync those

56:43SPEAKERIt'll it'll download that mod kit and and just download it automatically and you launch the game from inside the thunderstorm mod manager

56:51SPEAKERAnd and you're good to go. That's very cool. Yeah, it's very good

56:55SPEAKERLot of good stuff happening with mods. It turns out they're hot

56:59SPEAKERYeah

56:59SPEAKERit's all the hotness and then the business world with like over wolf and mod dot IO like we said like it's kind of a

57:04SPEAKERBig thing like it feels like roblox probably has driven a lot of the ascendancy of the mod in the business world

57:11SPEAKERRight, like I don't know. I mean roblox is user-generated content

57:15SPEAKERBut it's not really mods because you can't because all that stuff lives inside roblox, right?

57:19SPEAKERWell, maybe maybe you GC is a better term than mod there

57:23SPEAKERBut like yeah, that's the thing everybody's kind of looking at now right and saying like hey we need that

57:28SPEAKERYeah

57:28SPEAKERI think I think I mean honestly I think a lot of this started with dota

57:31SPEAKERMore like the people who are serious about have been thinking about it since counter-strike and team fortress and those games

57:39SPEAKERYou know because you look at you like if you look at the most popular games in the world like

57:44SPEAKERHalf of them are mod based started out as mods

57:48SPEAKERYep

57:49SPEAKERLike like even imagine even our fortnight even arguably was a an officially sanctioned internal mod for fortnight

57:56SPEAKERYeah

57:57SPEAKERAnd and you think about like think about how different the world would be if blizzard had had

58:02SPEAKERWarcraft 3 available for sale when dota was exploding. Oh, yeah. Remember you couldn't buy Warcraft 3 to play dota

58:08SPEAKERWhen dota was taking off no you had to buy it to find a physical

58:12SPEAKERSomeplace retail kind of was oh, I guess it wasn't on battle net then hot. It's it's

58:18SPEAKERDigital distribution is like such a just a built-in these days

58:21SPEAKERIt's hard for me to even remember when that started but I guess you're right

58:23SPEAKERThere was no way to buy it online at that time. Yeah, so that's why that's why

58:27SPEAKERRiot started was to make a version you could play and valve did obviously did the same thing

58:35SPEAKERLike I think a lot of that like the thing that happens is look at pub G

58:39SPEAKERPub G came out of a mod for h1z1, which was a daisy mod

58:43SPEAKERI think originally like there's a legacy there

58:45SPEAKERyou know like all of these games people do a lot of really interesting innovation in these spaces and

58:50SPEAKERI think that like

58:53SPEAKEREpic is trying to capture it with the uefn stuff, which is their fortnight

58:57SPEAKERIt's like it's like a souped up version of the fortnight editor

59:01SPEAKERThat is it lives between uefi and for the fortnight in game creation tools, right? Yeah

59:08SPEAKERThe roblox stuff is really interesting. You look at like blocks berg selling for a hundred million dollars

59:14SPEAKERblocks blocks berg

59:17SPEAKERSo imagine if you blocks berg is a roblox game that you can basically design and build houses

59:23SPEAKERYou have to earn money in game by selling pizzas and mining and shit like that and you use that money to buy

59:30SPEAKERDecorations and and stuff you can like build and furnish homes

59:35SPEAKERBut because it's because it's in roblox

59:37SPEAKERIt's all multiplayer so you can get in and then you and your friends can play in those in those

59:43SPEAKERvirtual homes in the same way that you and I play in a first-person shooter or something, but

59:48SPEAKERImagine it's the sims but multiplayer and you control the people instead of having to try to convince them to do your shit for you

59:53SPEAKERI started to ask who?

59:56SPEAKERThat's the first time I've ever heard of their roblox mod or a roblox like mode add-on being acquired and I started to ask who acquired

1:00:02SPEAKERIt I just assumed it was roblox, but no, it was the embracer group. It was the embracer group. They've been embraced. Uh-huh

1:00:09SPEAKERBloxburg makes a phenomenal amount of money like a truly astounding amount of money by microtransaction in the shit out of children

1:00:15SPEAKERThat's wild to sell to sell something in another game for that amount of money is completely crazy

1:00:20SPEAKERWell, I think the assumption is they're gonna eventually build a standalone version

1:00:24SPEAKERIt doesn't live inside roblox, but her the the other like you look at that and then you look at something like the sims

1:00:29SPEAKERRight and like my daughter has a relationship with Bloxburg because she can play in it with her friends

1:00:36SPEAKERShe I bought her the sims. She likes the sims

1:00:39SPEAKERShe plays the sims, but she makes these cool houses in the sims

1:00:42SPEAKERWhich is the part she enjoys and then there's no way for her to share that with her friends

1:00:47SPEAKERLike they can't think her friends can't bring their sims over and play in her house

1:00:51SPEAKERIt's an incredible missed opportunity on EA's part

1:00:54SPEAKERso anyway, I've assumed that's what Sims 5 is gonna be when that should that ever ship but uh

1:01:00SPEAKERYeah, games are weird mods are the future man games are weird. Never have true words been spoken

1:01:05SPEAKERLook last week. We talked about RSS. We talked about web rings everything that was cool in the 90s is cool in the 2020s

1:01:11SPEAKERYeah, it's coming back. Let me get my cargo shorts on

1:01:15SPEAKERFrankly, there's nowhere to go but up at this point

1:01:19SPEAKERWe need to make a new internet is the is the next step

1:01:23SPEAKERIt'll be hard for things to get much crappier out there online right now. Also, I I don't know man

1:01:28SPEAKERI I set up fresh RSS last week

1:01:30SPEAKERYeah, I am enjoying the heck out of it the things that was said that resonated with me was yeah

1:01:36SPEAKERI just instead of doom scrolling Twitter or blue sky or whatever now

1:01:40SPEAKERI just when I have something to do and I have five minutes on my phone

1:01:42SPEAKERI load that up and read the first thing that looks interesting and

1:01:45SPEAKERIt's it's been a real quality of life improvement. Yeah, I've been thinking about deleting Twitter

1:01:50SPEAKERTrying to purify my online consumption a little bit lens

1:01:54SPEAKERThen at least at least deleting it off of my iPad, so I'm not just sitting there scrolling aimlessly all the time

1:01:59SPEAKERI I have the just randomly before we before we wrap up here

1:02:03SPEAKERI had a thought about fresh RSS the other day, ooh

1:02:05SPEAKERWhich is I mean, it's pretty specific to what we do and especially with next lander because we have 800 podcasts and stuff

1:02:10SPEAKERBut one feature that's patreon has yet to implement. I hope they're working on it

1:02:15SPEAKERI don't know for sure is separate RSS feeds for different podcasts. Oh, yeah right now if you support a patreon

1:02:21SPEAKERYou only get one RSS feed and any podcast that they put out on that entire account all comes down that same feed

1:02:27SPEAKERI would assume you could make pretty easily your own RSS feeds and fresh RSS or something similar and

1:02:33SPEAKERJust set up very very simple filtering and generate your own feeds

1:02:38SPEAKERMaybe I assume you could have it categorize those into different buckets and then attach a separate RSS feed to each of them

1:02:44SPEAKERI don't know for sure that it has that kind of functionality, but that's very basic. So you can run scripts

1:02:48SPEAKERI think I haven't looked at it that much. I haven't looked at that side of I'm basically using it as a as a as a

1:02:54SPEAKERCollector and front end right but like I have a script that that it automatically expands news stories

1:03:01SPEAKERIs an extension I installed that automatically expands like it automatically clicks the read more link and then scrapes that stuff out and puts it

1:03:08SPEAKERIn the RSS feed so that I can connect to it with reader on my phone. It works. That's cool

1:03:12SPEAKERIt's cool that that exists. Yeah, it's a neat thing

1:03:15SPEAKERHighly recommended a lot of neat things out there these days if you know where to look

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1:03:58SPEAKERBut yeah, we we love to have new people come in we love to have new listeners join the conversation last week's thread in the in

1:04:06SPEAKERThe in the discord was a lot of people sharing blogs that they like like old-school indie web of blogs

1:04:13SPEAKERSo a lot of good a lot of good info there a lot of good tips on how to pull RSS feeds from sites

1:04:19SPEAKERThat don't maybe make them super visible

1:04:22SPEAKERDidn't have anybody sharing posse tools the the post ones share simultaneously everywhere tools

1:04:29SPEAKERBut I'm still hoping for that

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1:05:15SPEAKERYeah, I guess that'll do it for the show this week. Yes Q&A next week

1:05:20SPEAKERWe should mention your name Q&A next week week after maybe well either car. We'll talk about my I got the ionic

1:05:27SPEAKERWe're gonna talk about that at some point. Mm-hmm. And then we also still owe you all the second part of the

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