232: Secret Search Engine!

00:00SPEAKER- Brad, something magical's happened.

00:02SPEAKER- I like when that happens, go on.

00:04SPEAKER- The bad news is I clicked through it

00:06SPEAKERbefore I read what it said.

00:07SPEAKERI just saw dark mode when I opened Google Drive.

00:11SPEAKER- What?

00:11SPEAKER- Yeah. - What?

00:12SPEAKER- Yeah. - Hang on.

00:13SPEAKER- Yeah.

00:14SPEAKER- Not since dark mode in Notepad.

00:16SPEAKER- Or what about dark mode in Terminal?

00:17SPEAKERI guess Terminal's always been in dark mode, but yeah.

00:20SPEAKERSo I didn't read enough to see how to turn it on

00:24SPEAKERbefore I just clicked through it

00:25SPEAKER'cause I don't ever read stuff when it pops up

00:27SPEAKERon a page that I use all the time like Google Drive.

00:30SPEAKER- Now I'm frantically clicking around this Google doc

00:32SPEAKERof questions we have lined up for this episode

00:34SPEAKERtrying to find, it's gotta be here somewhere.

00:36SPEAKER- So in Drive, if you click the gear

00:38SPEAKERin the top right corner, the second option is appearance,

00:41SPEAKERlight, dark, or device default.

00:44SPEAKERMy Google Drive is now in dark mode.

00:48SPEAKERNow let's see what that did to docs, nothing.

00:50SPEAKER- What?

00:51SPEAKERGet out, get out.

00:52SPEAKER- They're two separate products.

00:53SPEAKERClearly it's two separate products, Brad, I'm sorry.

00:56SPEAKERThere's nothing I can do.

00:57SPEAKERI have bad news for Google about how brains work.

01:01SPEAKER- Does that annoy, like that still annoys me

01:04SPEAKER'cause it used to be that you went to docs.google.com

01:07SPEAKERand that was your like word processor

01:10SPEAKERand all your WordPress processor files.

01:13SPEAKERAnd I guess you can still do that,

01:14SPEAKERbut the search there is bad.

01:16SPEAKER- Yeah, I'm doing that right now.

01:17SPEAKERIs that not still, yeah, okay.

01:18SPEAKERSo yeah, so it does still break out a list of just docs,

01:21SPEAKERbut in a very drive-like interface.

01:24SPEAKER- It's basically the drive interface

01:25SPEAKERwithout the search and sort options you have in drive

01:28SPEAKERthe last time I looked at it.

01:29SPEAKER- Let's see.

01:30SPEAKERSo the, this is gonna get complicated.

01:33SPEAKERThe drive-esque view for docs is not dark mode.

01:36SPEAKERThat's still light.

01:37SPEAKER- This is very disappointing.

01:39SPEAKERI thought something magical had happened.

01:40SPEAKERAnd instead, look.

01:44SPEAKER- You've lived in the modern world long enough, right?

01:45SPEAKERThis is what you get for believing in magic.

01:47SPEAKER(upbeat music)

01:55SPEAKER(upbeat music)

02:16SPEAKER- Welcome to Brad and Will Made a Tech Pod.

02:19SPEAKERI'm Will.

02:19SPEAKER- I'm Brad.

02:21SPEAKER- Hello, Brad.

02:21SPEAKER- Hello.

02:22SPEAKER- It is, I believe if my math is right,

02:24SPEAKERthis is the last Sunday of the month.

02:27SPEAKER- It's true.

02:27SPEAKERWe're really, really redlining it here.

02:30SPEAKERIt's like the last, not quite the last day of the month,

02:32SPEAKERbut good.

02:33SPEAKER- No, no, we didn't.

02:34SPEAKERThis wasn't a five episode month, sadly.

02:36SPEAKER- No.

02:37SPEAKER- Sometimes it's a five episode month.

02:38SPEAKERI don't know how that works exactly.

02:40SPEAKERBut anyway, it is time once again,

02:43SPEAKERas it is the last month of episode of the month

02:45SPEAKERfor us to do our traditional duty

02:48SPEAKERand to look deep into our hearts,

02:51SPEAKERfind a series of cues and turn those cues into A's.

02:56SPEAKER- Look into our hearts and search for the truth therein.

02:58SPEAKERI don't know if there is any.

02:59SPEAKER- Well, I mean, the truth therein is coming from a channel

03:01SPEAKERin the discord called Question Seeking Answers

03:04SPEAKERor alternately an email, which is techpod@content.town

03:08SPEAKERwhere people can send cues.

03:10SPEAKERI guess they didn't really come from our hearts.

03:11SPEAKERThey're coming from other people's hearts

03:12SPEAKERand we're looking deep into our hearts

03:14SPEAKERand finding the A's for these cues, I guess.

03:16SPEAKER- That's right.

03:17SPEAKERIt's Q o'clock, you might say.

03:18SPEAKER- Wow.

03:19SPEAKERDoes that mean John Delancey is gonna be here?

03:20SPEAKER- Oh, man, I hope so.

03:22SPEAKER- That'd be amazing.

03:23SPEAKERIf we could get Q on the show to answer some A's.

03:26SPEAKER- Do you think we could get John Delancey?

03:28SPEAKER- I mean, he's probably available, if we're being honest.

03:30SPEAKER- Maybe I shouldn't get into it.

03:32SPEAKERI know somebody who kind of sort of knows him personally.

03:36SPEAKER- What?

03:37SPEAKER- I know somebody who has or probably still has

03:40SPEAKERhis phone number in their phone.

03:42SPEAKER- Well, okay, so that's a, yeah, okay.

03:45SPEAKER- Yeah, I don't know if that's a,

03:47SPEAKERhey, I could just reach out at any time though.

03:49SPEAKERI'm guessing no.

03:50SPEAKER- Hmm.

03:51SPEAKERYeah, usually that's a great power,

03:52SPEAKERgreat responsibility situation.

03:53SPEAKER- Yes, this person did have dinner at his house, I believe.

03:56SPEAKER- Oh, well, there you go.

03:57SPEAKER- Once.

03:59SPEAKER- Look, okay, so tabling the Q for the Q's

04:02SPEAKERepisode conversation.

04:04SPEAKER- Man, now we have, that's brand synergy right there.

04:07SPEAKERWe have to do this.

04:08SPEAKER- I mean, we're the number one Q podcast on the internet,

04:11SPEAKERas far as I'm aware.

04:12SPEAKEREverybody else does questions like chumps.

04:14SPEAKERWe're cutting it down.

04:15SPEAKERWe're making it cool.

04:17SPEAKERBut it is the time of month when we turn Q's into A's.

04:20SPEAKERSo I would love if people wanna send questions,

04:25SPEAKERif they're in the Discord, if they're in the Patreon,

04:27SPEAKERfor the show's listener support,

04:28SPEAKERif you wanna get in the Discord,

04:29SPEAKERyou can go to patreon.com/techbot and sign up.

04:32SPEAKERYou can post Q's into the Q seeking A's.

04:34SPEAKERWe had, I think, our first question

04:36SPEAKERabout how the Q seeking A's channel works this month.

04:38SPEAKER- Yeah, there's a couple in here

04:40SPEAKERthat we will read both of, actually.

04:42SPEAKERI have to, I'm just gonna put it out there.

04:44SPEAKERIt's "Questions Seeking Answers" is the full title,

04:47SPEAKERjust in case anybody goes looking and is confused.

04:50SPEAKER- Yeah, I'm gonna change it to "Q Seeking A's" after this

04:52SPEAKERto make it really confusing, though.

04:53SPEAKER- Oh, what? No.

04:55SPEAKER- Or you can send email.

04:56SPEAKEREverybody's welcome to send email to techbot@content.com.

04:58SPEAKERWe always get a handful of really good questions

05:00SPEAKERin there as well.

05:01SPEAKER- Email still free.

05:02SPEAKER- Email, yeah, it's the freest form of communication.

05:07SPEAKERBrad, what's our first Q?

05:08SPEAKERWhat do you got?

05:09SPEAKER- Let's go to the emails first here,

05:10SPEAKER'cause those are at the top of this document.

05:13SPEAKERHere's one from Andy.

05:14SPEAKERWe talked about screensavers,

05:16SPEAKERI think on the last Q and A episode,

05:17SPEAKERand our love of them. - Yeah, that's interesting.

05:20SPEAKER- Andy says, "A modern 3D rendered screensaver

05:22SPEAKERwould use a lot of power,

05:24SPEAKERbut what about a pre-rendered video recording?

05:26SPEAKERSurely every chip has low power video playback hardware.

05:29SPEAKERIt would use some power,

05:30SPEAKERbut nowhere near the power of putting your GPU at 100%.

05:33SPEAKERPeople could even pre-bake these videos and put them online.

05:37SPEAKERSo it's run once, play many times.

05:39SPEAKERFor variety, you might need a set of 10 or 100 videos,

05:42SPEAKERbut storage seems much cheaper than compute."

05:45SPEAKERA few things here.

05:46SPEAKERI'm guessing most low impact 3D screensavers

05:52SPEAKERyou might run these days

05:52SPEAKERwouldn't use nowhere near 100% of GPU.

05:55SPEAKER- Yeah, 'cause I mean, you're gonna v-sync them.

05:57SPEAKERYou're not gonna run those unlocked, right?

05:58SPEAKERSo you're gonna lock them

05:59SPEAKERto like 60 or 30 frames a second, probably.

06:01SPEAKER- Yeah, I mean, there are still OpenGL screensavers

06:04SPEAKERand Windows you can go run right now,

06:06SPEAKERand I bet those use like vanishingly small,

06:09SPEAKERlike basically undetectable amounts of overall compute

06:12SPEAKERat this point.

06:13SPEAKER- I mean, let me put it this way.

06:15SPEAKERWhen I run Fortnite on my GPU

06:18SPEAKERand lock it to 60 frames a second, the fans don't turn on.

06:21SPEAKER- Interesting.

06:22SPEAKER- So yeah, the kind of things you'll run as a screensaver

06:25SPEAKERaren't going to be a measurable impact

06:27SPEAKERon your power consumption with the GPU, probably.

06:29SPEAKER- Yeah, that said, I mean, I think this exact thing

06:32SPEAKERis done, right?

06:33SPEAKERLike that's what Apple has been doing,

06:35SPEAKERor some of their screensavers are exactly that, right?

06:37SPEAKERThose like slope hand flyover kind of screensavers

06:41SPEAKERof real world locations, skyscrapers, waterfalls,

06:44SPEAKERstuff like that.

06:44SPEAKER- Yeah, that's it.

06:45SPEAKERThey have a series of 4K.

06:48SPEAKERThey're like, I think they're drone or helicopter shots

06:50SPEAKERmostly of like, I think what they do

06:53SPEAKERis they shoot them with high speed on the fly-through

06:58SPEAKERand then they slow them down.

06:59SPEAKERSo they look a little ethereal and cool.

07:02SPEAKER- They do look a bit dreamy now that you mentioned it.

07:05SPEAKERBut yeah, so if you have, so like the Samsung Frame TV,

07:10SPEAKERwhich is that TV that looks like,

07:11SPEAKERyou can make it look like a picture frame,

07:14SPEAKERactually has a variable refresh rate screen

07:15SPEAKERand it'll crank the frame rate down a little bit

07:18SPEAKERso it doesn't burn 120 Hertz worth of power.

07:20SPEAKERIt's all burning 30 Hertz worth of power.

07:22SPEAKERThe big cost here is that you're going from something

07:24SPEAKERthat's essentially drawing no power in sleep

07:26SPEAKERor turned off to any power.

07:29SPEAKERAnd your monitor is probably the big cost

07:32SPEAKERon this whole project, assuming your PC is set up

07:35SPEAKERto run right in low power modes.

07:37SPEAKER- Yeah, I think we gestured toward this

07:39SPEAKERlast time we talked about this,

07:40SPEAKERbut the screen saver truly is obsolete

07:42SPEAKERbecause it didn't exist to save power.

07:44SPEAKERIt existed to save your screen from burning in.

07:46SPEAKERAnd since that's less of an issue now,

07:49SPEAKERall heads aside, not really that necessary

07:52SPEAKERand kind of counterproductive

07:53SPEAKERfrom a power consumption standpoint.

07:54SPEAKER- And the thing that we forget as having LCDs

07:58SPEAKERfor 20 years, 15, 20 years now,

08:00SPEAKERis that CRTs took a bit to warm up.

08:02SPEAKERLike if you were doing, like at the magazine,

08:05SPEAKERthe designers left the CRTs on all the time

08:08SPEAKERjust because it took an hour for them,

08:11SPEAKERor for 30 minutes for them to get up

08:13SPEAKERto the point that they're color accurate in the morning.

08:15SPEAKER- Oh, interesting.

08:16SPEAKERI never thought about color accuracy there.

08:17SPEAKER'Cause like, you know, it's not instant,

08:19SPEAKERbut it's not that long just to have it kind of come on

08:22SPEAKERand be visible, but I never thought about

08:23SPEAKERlike they really need it to look exactly right, don't they?

08:26SPEAKER- It literally needed to warm up, yeah, is my,

08:28SPEAKERI don't know if that's true.

08:29SPEAKERThat's what I was always told.

08:30SPEAKERThat's why they left their monitors on all the time.

08:35SPEAKERSo yeah, like that kind of stuff made more sense.

08:38SPEAKERAlso they were fun and we didn't have a billion computers

08:41SPEAKERin the world that people were running all the time.

08:43SPEAKERSo I think like when you're Microsoft or Apple

08:47SPEAKERand you're operating at that kind of scale,

08:49SPEAKERhey, you gotta think about what you're doing.

08:52SPEAKER'Cause like your little five watt power draw

08:55SPEAKERmultiplied by a billion is all of a sudden

08:57SPEAKERlike the power consumption of Denmark or something stupid.

09:02SPEAKERThe other side of this though is that, you know,

09:07SPEAKERright now California is dealing,

09:09SPEAKERPG&E is dealing with a problem in Northern California

09:11SPEAKERwhere enough people have bought solar

09:13SPEAKERthat it's making the price of energy go negative

09:15SPEAKERduring high generation times.

09:17SPEAKER- Oh, darn.

09:18SPEAKER- Yeah, I mean, it's a problem for PG&E.

09:19SPEAKERIt's probably okay for people who buy electricity from PG&E.

09:23SPEAKERBut that, like when you're in a situation

09:27SPEAKERwhere you're generating essentially free

09:29SPEAKERor extremely low cost electricity,

09:31SPEAKERlet your screensaver flag fly, man.

09:33SPEAKERGet your toasters back out.

09:34SPEAKERThat's what I say.

09:35SPEAKER- Yeah, man, suck that energy right out of the air.

09:38SPEAKER- I'm gonna put it into my car probably if I'm being honest,

09:40SPEAKERbut you know, yeah.

09:42SPEAKER- You watch Johnny Castaway flit around

09:44SPEAKERon the island guilt-free.

09:46SPEAKER- I want zero point energy.

09:47SPEAKERThat's why I wanna pull the juice straight

09:49SPEAKERfrom the quantum foam.

09:50SPEAKERI'm not interested in solar.

09:51SPEAKER- That would be pretty cool.

09:53SPEAKERDo you know, I haven't followed up on this at all.

09:55SPEAKERThis is purely anecdotal, just like seeing people

09:57SPEAKERmake comments on forums and Twitter and places.

10:00SPEAKERHas the cost of solar just like plummeted

10:02SPEAKERin the last two, three years?

10:04SPEAKER- Yeah, it's on the norm.

10:06SPEAKERIt's on the A, there's state and federal incentives

10:11SPEAKERthat will basically fund your solar installation now,

10:16SPEAKERdepending on what your angle, like where you are

10:19SPEAKERand what zip codes you're in and stuff

10:20SPEAKERand what your income status is.

10:22SPEAKERThere's also the cost of the third and fourth,

10:26SPEAKERI think, I can't remember if fourth gen panels are out yet,

10:28SPEAKERor if we're just like late third gen,

10:29SPEAKERthe current panels are way more efficient

10:31SPEAKERand way cheaper coming out of China.

10:34SPEAKER- Yeah, that's the thing I was wondering about.

10:35SPEAKERLike subsidies are good, but those are not permanent

10:37SPEAKERand somebody still has to bear a cost somewhere for those,

10:39SPEAKERbut if it's the cost of goods themselves

10:42SPEAKERgetting much cheaper, like that seems huge.

10:44SPEAKER- Well, and then the other thing, so yeah,

10:46SPEAKERthe other thing is that there are solar providers

10:50SPEAKERwho will finance, who basically become your power company.

10:54SPEAKERThey put the batteries and the panels on

10:59SPEAKERand then you pay them a monthly fee

11:01SPEAKERthat's basically you financing those panels

11:04SPEAKERand a little bit of electricity

11:09SPEAKERover the life of those panels.

11:10SPEAKERBut the upshot is if you have a decent sized house

11:12SPEAKERand you're not in like shade or high latitudes,

11:16SPEAKERyou can probably put panels on your roof

11:18SPEAKERand some batteries in your garage

11:19SPEAKERand that'll be like 90% of your power consumption

11:22SPEAKERif you're a fairly typical household.

11:24SPEAKER- That sounds pretty appealing.

11:25SPEAKERI'll have to tuck that away in the back pocket for later.

11:28SPEAKER- Yeah, it seems good.

11:31SPEAKER- Yeah, here's an email from Twist.

11:35SPEAKERAfter your recent home assistant update,

11:37SPEAKERI got thinking about whether or not

11:39SPEAKERit might be able to simplify my AV setup in my game room.

11:42SPEAKERMy current setup has a number of video switches

11:44SPEAKERwith a ton of old and modern consoles running through them

11:47SPEAKERplus supporting devices like the RetroTINK 5X video scaler

11:50SPEAKERand of course the TV.

11:52SPEAKERRight now to use many of my systems

11:54SPEAKERis a multi-step process of turning on the right devices

11:56SPEAKERand selecting the right inputs

11:57SPEAKERand it's so complex that even I need a guide to use it.

12:00SPEAKERIt would be great to be able to just hit a button on my phone

12:03SPEAKERor a dedicated touchscreen or maybe a steam deck

12:05SPEAKERand just be able to grab a controller and start playing.

12:08SPEAKERThe main issue I'm seeing is that I would need

12:10SPEAKERto be able to control multiple devices via IR or infrared

12:13SPEAKERand I don't think I would be able to ensure a line of sight

12:15SPEAKERwith all those devices at the same time.

12:18SPEAKERMost of the home assistant compatible IR solutions

12:20SPEAKERI'm finding are networked devices that you set out

12:22SPEAKERso they have a line of sight

12:24SPEAKERto all the devices you want to control.

12:26SPEAKERMy plan is for everything in this setup

12:28SPEAKERto be as hidden as possible

12:29SPEAKERand within a couple feet of each other.

12:31SPEAKERI would probably be sticking everything

12:32SPEAKERso I could to the back of the entertainment center

12:34SPEAKERincluding the Raspberry Pi that I would dedicate to this.

12:39SPEAKERWhat do you think?

12:40SPEAKERHave you done any IR stuff through home assistant

12:42SPEAKERor know of any good IR solutions

12:44SPEAKERother than the Broadlink devices?

12:46SPEAKER- So the good news is that there's a really good solution

12:51SPEAKERfor this that I've actually used.

12:52SPEAKERThe bad news is that the company that makes it

12:54SPEAKERdoesn't sell it anymore, so you have to buy old or refurb.

12:58SPEAKERI think the Broadlink is probably

13:00SPEAKERthe right solution though.

13:02SPEAKERAssuming, I believe the last time I looked at the Broadlink,

13:06SPEAKERso this is the classic Logitech Harmony problem

13:11SPEAKERwhere you would get a universal remote

13:13SPEAKERthat you tell of what sequence of events

13:16SPEAKERto turn on all the devices and it would turn them on

13:18SPEAKERusing a combination of IR and HDMI C and CC

13:23SPEAKERand all that stuff.

13:24SPEAKERThe Logitech has, I think they're still selling the hubs.

13:29SPEAKERMaybe it seems like a product

13:31SPEAKERthat they're not gonna continue supporting.

13:32SPEAKERI don't think it was on their website the last time I looked.

13:36SPEAKERYou can buy used ones on eBay

13:38SPEAKERor refurb ones on Amazon still, it looks like.

13:42SPEAKERBut the neat thing about those Logitech Harmony hubs

13:44SPEAKERand the thing that I believe the Broadlink ones

13:46SPEAKERthat I've looked at is that there's also little

13:50SPEAKERlike 1/8 jacks that you can plug into the back

13:52SPEAKERthat have an IR emitter that you can put in the odd places.

13:57SPEAKERThose IR blasters are splittable,

14:01SPEAKERso if you're doing the wiring yourself

14:03SPEAKERand you have multiples, you can hook more in.

14:06SPEAKERYou have to make sure that the polarity's right

14:07SPEAKER'cause they're using LEDs, so if you put the wrong,

14:11SPEAKERyou put the wrong lead on the wrong lead

14:14SPEAKERfor the second wire that you're branching off,

14:17SPEAKERit's not gonna work.

14:18SPEAKERBut yeah, I would say look for one of the Broadlink kits

14:22SPEAKERthat has an IR blaster and probably go with that.

14:26SPEAKERThere's a couple other things that I saw.

14:29SPEAKERYeah, I wrote something in the notes.

14:30SPEAKERHold on, let me find it.

14:32SPEAKERI did not.

14:36SPEAKERIf you search for Harmony on Amazon,

14:37SPEAKERthere's a bunch of other products that come up.

14:39SPEAKERI went down the entire list and couldn't find any of them

14:41SPEAKERthat have Home Assistant integrations.

14:43SPEAKERSo yeah, so I think the Broadlink stuff

14:47SPEAKERis probably your best bet for this.

14:49SPEAKER- And could you split those with just like a regular,

14:51SPEAKERlike the 1/8 inch Y splitter, like off the shelf?

14:55SPEAKER- Oh, I don't know about that.

14:57SPEAKERI would say I was thinking you'd tap,

14:59SPEAKERyou'd just cut the wires and tap the wires in.

15:02SPEAKERBut you could probably do a Y splitter when I think about it

15:04SPEAKER'cause it's just a TRS plug.

15:10SPEAKERYeah, so yeah.

15:13SPEAKERSometimes they're smaller

15:15SPEAKERthan the traditional headphone jack.

15:16SPEAKERThey're the one size down from that,

15:17SPEAKERwhich is like, I think that's what you used

15:19SPEAKERfor like voice recorders and stuff like that.

15:22SPEAKER- Like maybe some old cell phone stuff, maybe?

15:24SPEAKER- Maybe.

15:26SPEAKERSofa Baton is the other one.

15:28SPEAKERSofa Baton's internet connected.

15:29SPEAKERIt looks like it should have a Home Assistant integration.

15:32SPEAKERI could not find one.

15:33SPEAKER- Okay.

15:34SPEAKER- And Sofa Baton has hubs for like 80 or 100,

15:38SPEAKERbetween 150 and $180 that have IR blasters.

15:43SPEAKERSo then you could have one remote that controls them all,

15:45SPEAKERwhich is probably equally good.

15:48SPEAKERThe other thing is for the screen in your living room,

15:54SPEAKERyou can either take an old tablet,

15:55SPEAKERlike an old cheap Android tablet

15:57SPEAKERand put Home Assistant on it in kiosk mode,

16:00SPEAKERor you can just, the Stream Deck is,

16:04SPEAKERif you have a PC in there somewhere,

16:05SPEAKERthe Stream Deck is a real popular solution

16:07SPEAKERfor this kind of thing.

16:07SPEAKER'Cause it's just a set of nice looking buttons.

16:09SPEAKER- Yeah.

16:11SPEAKERSpeaking of TRS, I finally went down

16:13SPEAKERthe old tip ring sleeve rabbit hole.

16:15SPEAKER- Oh, which did you?

16:17SPEAKER- It was because of a, just a cable,

16:21SPEAKERlike a headphone jack extension cable I bought

16:24SPEAKERto use with these Aster Ray 40s

16:26SPEAKERthat don't use a standard TRS or even TRRS plug.

16:29SPEAKER- Really?

16:30SPEAKER- I think it's, I think it might be TRRR or 3RS, S, I believe.

16:35SPEAKER- Hold on, are you trying to go,

16:37SPEAKERwhere are you putting the extension,

16:38SPEAKERbetween the PC and the?

16:40SPEAKER- No, this is in the living room

16:41SPEAKERfor my AV receiver to the couch.

16:43SPEAKER- Oh.

16:44SPEAKER- 'Cause I've got some stuff in the chain now

16:46SPEAKERthat there's no easy way to do wireless headphones with.

16:48SPEAKER- Boo.

16:49SPEAKER- Yeah, it's a bummer.

16:50SPEAKERBut anyway, there's a lot of, there's a lot of,

16:53SPEAKERthere's a lot of Rs out there.

16:55SPEAKER- Can I ask a stupid question?

16:57SPEAKER- Sure.

16:58SPEAKER- Have you ever just plugged your analog headphones

16:59SPEAKERinto the controller?

17:00SPEAKERThat's one of my favorite things to do.

17:02SPEAKER- Absolutely, for Xbox and PS5, that's totally what I do.

17:05SPEAKERThat's one of the best features

17:06SPEAKERof the last couple of console generations to me.

17:09SPEAKER- Yeah, you can just sit there and not annoy your loved ones

17:11SPEAKERwhile you're playing video games in the living room.

17:13SPEAKER- Yes, but like Switch, Switch,

17:14SPEAKERand also like watching just TV movies

17:17SPEAKERoff of like the TV's built-in apps.

17:19SPEAKERI don't have a great wireless solution

17:20SPEAKERfor that at the moment.

17:21SPEAKER- Ah.

17:22SPEAKER- And I was like, what if I just bought

17:24SPEAKERthis $10 extension cable?

17:27SPEAKERAnd then it didn't work with those headphones.

17:28SPEAKERAnd I was like, this is too many rings, all right.

17:30SPEAKER- So I don't, I don't know why that would be the case.

17:32SPEAKER'Cause when I plugged in my, I haven't had,

17:34SPEAKERI don't have a current set of A40s.

17:36SPEAKERMine are very old now,

17:37SPEAKERbut they were standard TRRS, I think.

17:40SPEAKER- This might be more recent.

17:41SPEAKERThis might be in the kind of like,

17:42SPEAKERoh God, what's the branding?

17:43SPEAKERLike the TR-

17:44SPEAKER- Post-launch tech.

17:46SPEAKER- God, I can't remember.

17:48SPEAKERI cannot remember what their branding is.

17:49SPEAKERIt's like Pro TR, I think, Pro tournament, something,

17:51SPEAKERsomething like that, yeah.

17:53SPEAKERThis was from like the Astro subreddit.

17:56SPEAKER- Got it.

17:57SPEAKER- The certain headphone jacks

17:58SPEAKERjust don't like those plugs anyway.

18:00SPEAKER- They don't make them like they used to.

18:01SPEAKERThe old ones are better, it turns out.

18:02SPEAKER- Yep, they sure don't.

18:03SPEAKER- Who knew?

18:04SPEAKER- Yes.

18:05SPEAKERAll right, Discord questions.

18:06SPEAKERHere is one from Andreas 3000.

18:09SPEAKERHow do you do your research for topics or just in general?

18:12SPEAKERIt's become hard to find trustworthy sources

18:14SPEAKERthat aren't bogged down with SEO garbage and clickbait ads.

18:17SPEAKERAny tips for the common geek other than Reddit?

18:21SPEAKERI think that is a problem,

18:22SPEAKERa quandary that the entirety of the internet

18:24SPEAKERis currently trying to solve together.

18:26SPEAKER- Yeah, it really is.

18:27SPEAKER- I don't think there's a good answer for this as of yet,

18:29SPEAKERother than to say, yeah, it sucks.

18:31SPEAKER- Did you see Ed Zitron's thing yesterday?

18:33SPEAKER- No.

18:35SPEAKER- His newsletter this week posted a,

18:37SPEAKERhe went through and found old emails

18:39SPEAKERfrom one of the Google antitrust lawsuits

18:42SPEAKERthat were released in court

18:44SPEAKERbetween the person who's in charge of Google ads for search

18:48SPEAKERand the person who's in the search team

18:50SPEAKERabout how they should make Google result,

18:54SPEAKERhow they should roll back anti-spam stuff

18:56SPEAKERso that the Google ads are a better result,

18:59SPEAKERbasically was the gist.

19:00SPEAKER- Okay, great.

19:02SPEAKER- Yeah, anyway, so I don't know.

19:05SPEAKERI don't know what the solution for this is to start with

19:09SPEAKERis to look for first resources,

19:11SPEAKERlike first party sources.

19:14SPEAKERSo look for people who actually are doing testing

19:16SPEAKERand who you know are actually doing testing,

19:18SPEAKERlike Wirecutter and Consumer Reports and stuff like that.

19:22SPEAKEROften Wikipedia is a good place to go

19:25SPEAKERand find the initial sources

19:28SPEAKER'cause they're always in the citations

19:29SPEAKERdown at the bottom of the articles.

19:31SPEAKERWikipedia remains pretty good

19:33SPEAKERabout not allowing people to put stuff in the Wikipedia

19:37SPEAKERthat doesn't have a first, an original source.

19:42SPEAKERLooking at newspapers and magazines and stuff like that,

19:46SPEAKERif we're doing old stuff, archive.org is really good.

19:50SPEAKERSo I'll spend a lot of time on archive.org.

19:57SPEAKERIf I'm looking for,

19:58SPEAKERso I'm literally working on history of video research,

20:02SPEAKERhistory of home video formats research right now.

20:05SPEAKERAnd that's a real mixture of,

20:07SPEAKERlike Wikipedia pages are a good kickoff

20:10SPEAKERand then you can use them to go find stuff on archive.org

20:13SPEAKERthat was from the moment that's really timely

20:16SPEAKERand that's timely for the time that the products were released

20:20SPEAKERand announced and stuff like that.

20:23SPEAKERAnd then for stuff that's older than the internet,

20:26SPEAKERit's much easier 'cause you just look up libraries

20:30SPEAKERand stuff like that.

20:32SPEAKERBut the modern,

20:34SPEAKERlike how you find out whether a product is good today,

20:38SPEAKERthe signal to noise ratio is the worst it's been

20:40SPEAKERsince Alta Vista was announced, I think,

20:44SPEAKERor started becoming popular.

20:46SPEAKER- Does it seem unsustainable to you?

20:48SPEAKERLike the state of affairs seems like such a mess

20:50SPEAKERat this point that it doesn't feel,

20:51SPEAKERit feels like it surely it can't last forever,

20:53SPEAKERbut maybe that's just being naive.

21:00SPEAKER- I'm always worried about making statements like that

21:03SPEAKERbecause it's hard to tell what's just us getting older

21:06SPEAKERand everything feeling like different than it was

21:10SPEAKERwhen we were not older.

21:12SPEAKER- Yeah, I don't know about that in this case though.

21:16SPEAKER- But yeah, no, I think, I feel like

21:20SPEAKERif we weren't talking about companies

21:22SPEAKERthat were as big as Google,

21:23SPEAKERI think somebody else would have come along

21:25SPEAKERand released a better search engine.

21:27SPEAKERAnd there are some,

21:28SPEAKERI've started using a new search engine

21:30SPEAKERon my mobile device, devices.

21:35SPEAKERIt's not DuckDuckGo.

21:36SPEAKERI'm not ready to talk about it yet

21:38SPEAKER'cause I haven't really used it all that much.

21:39SPEAKER- Secret search engine?

21:40SPEAKER- Uh-huh, but yeah, I think that we're gonna see,

21:46SPEAKERI'm surprised we haven't seen more competition.

21:49SPEAKER- Yeah, that's kind of what I was getting at

21:51SPEAKERis like things are so universally agreed upon to be terrible

21:54SPEAKERthat at some point somebody is gonna be like,

21:56SPEAKERyou know what, there's probably more money

21:57SPEAKERin doing this well and making something people like

21:59SPEAKERthan exploiting and irritating them all the time.

22:01SPEAKER- Well, if the stuff that Ed dug up bears fruit,

22:05SPEAKERI think we'll see litigation

22:07SPEAKERor justice department inquiries or something like that.

22:10SPEAKER'Cause it's hard to argue

22:12SPEAKERthat Google doesn't have a search monopoly.

22:15SPEAKERAnd if they're intentionally devaluing search results

22:17SPEAKERin order to drive ad revenue,

22:19SPEAKERthen that's an anti-competitive problem for them, I believe.

22:24SPEAKERI don't know, maybe not, I'm not a lawyer.

22:26SPEAKER- Yeah, I've noticed,

22:27SPEAKERand this may have come out of his same newsletter

22:28SPEAKERor similar research that some finger pointing has also begun

22:31SPEAKERthat people noticed that whoever ran search at Yahoo last--

22:35SPEAKER- This is all out of Ed's stuff, yeah.

22:36SPEAKER- Okay, okay, it was the executive who ran search at Yahoo

22:39SPEAKERthen went and took over search at Google

22:42SPEAKERafter ruining Yahoo search.

22:44SPEAKER- I mean, Yahoo search was bad before that guy got there,

22:47SPEAKERbut yeah.

22:49SPEAKER- It's a mess out there.

22:50SPEAKER- It's bad.

22:52SPEAKER- There's a question from Mountaineer Blue,

22:55SPEAKERwho I am to understand is from Australia.

22:58SPEAKER- Good day.

22:59SPEAKER- Yes.

23:00SPEAKERWhy is the messages app on iOS icon green

23:03SPEAKERwhen that's supposed to be the color

23:05SPEAKERthat's unpleasant to look at and causes othering?

23:07SPEAKERI think they're referring to,

23:09SPEAKERthey're referring to the haves and have nots issue

23:14SPEAKERof blue bubbles versus green bubbles

23:16SPEAKERin the Apple message ecosystem.

23:18SPEAKER- Wow.

23:19SPEAKER- That I think is primarily an American phenomenon,

23:23SPEAKERbut still.

23:25SPEAKER- It's because in the beginning of iOS,

23:29SPEAKERall the bubbles were green.

23:30SPEAKER- Right, everything was green.

23:31SPEAKERI just looked it up actually, I wasn't sure,

23:33SPEAKERbut yes, iMessages, or iMessage I should say

23:36SPEAKERis the official name, did not come about until 2011.

23:39SPEAKER- Yeah, it was an iPhone 4S era thing, right?

23:42SPEAKER- So like three years after the iPhone launched,

23:45SPEAKERso there absolutely was a period when all bubbles

23:47SPEAKERwere green on the iPhone for quite some time.

23:50SPEAKER- Yeah, I'm surprised they haven't changed it

23:51SPEAKERwhen I think about it.

23:53SPEAKER- To a blue icon.

23:54SPEAKER- Well, I mean, it's funny, all the telephony stuff is green

23:57SPEAKER'cause the phone icon's green too.

23:59SPEAKER- Oh yeah, sure, I think about that.

24:01SPEAKER- It's kind of the only green icons on my phone.

24:03SPEAKERThat and Spotify, I guess.

24:05SPEAKER- Yeah, I find it incredibly annoying

24:07SPEAKERthat if in very small sizes, the iMessage

24:11SPEAKERand the WhatsApp icons are pretty easy to mix up,

24:13SPEAKERlike on your watch, for example.

24:15SPEAKER- So I started using Beeper,

24:18SPEAKERwhich is, you hook it up to WhatsApp

24:21SPEAKERand all your message clients.

24:25SPEAKERIt used to be the thing that let you get iMessages

24:27SPEAKERon your Windows devices, but they got sued

24:29SPEAKERand I don't think they're doing that anymore as a business.

24:31SPEAKER- So are they the ones that were exploiting,

24:33SPEAKERthat they found some exploit in the account creation

24:35SPEAKERlast fall and for like a weekend, they were like,

24:37SPEAKER"Hey, you can get iMessages on your Android phone

24:40SPEAKERwith just your phone number now.

24:41SPEAKERYou don't need to make an account

24:42SPEAKERand let us run it on a Mac for you

24:46SPEAKERand have access to your messages."

24:49SPEAKER- Well, yeah, so they also were letting you run a Mac

24:52SPEAKERsomewhere that would just forward your messages

24:55SPEAKERas long as that Mac was on.

24:57SPEAKERBut yeah, so I've been using it to collect all the stuff

24:59SPEAKERthat I don't use very often, like Twitter DMs

25:01SPEAKERand Signal and WhatsApp and Facebook Messenger

25:03SPEAKERinto one app that I turn notifications on for.

25:08SPEAKERIt's pretty good.

25:09SPEAKER- Yeah, maybe I'll take a look at that.

25:11SPEAKERI don't know.

25:12SPEAKERTo be clear, like I said, it was literally like a weekend,

25:14SPEAKERlike Apple closed whatever loophole that was very quickly

25:18SPEAKERand they immediately stopped bragging about that feature.

25:21SPEAKER- I don't think they got sued.

25:22SPEAKERI think they got cease and desisted probably

25:23SPEAKERwould be my guess.

25:24SPEAKER- I think it just got shut down quickly.

25:27SPEAKERAnd now you can still do the old method, I believe,

25:29SPEAKERbut it's not as good.

25:31SPEAKERThey don't advertise that in the app

25:32SPEAKERthat you can run it on a Mac, so.

25:34SPEAKER- Yeah.

25:35SPEAKER- Anyway.

25:36SPEAKER- I'm confused about this question, but you bolted it.

25:38SPEAKERSo I'm gonna read it from Fishy J.

25:40SPEAKER"Is egg salad still chicken salad?"

25:42SPEAKER- I mean, eggs are chickens, right?

25:45SPEAKER- Oh, okay, that's the angle, huh?

25:46SPEAKERI was thinking some component breakdown

25:48SPEAKERof what's an egg salad versus chicken salad

25:50SPEAKERand that they're like kind of 90% the same

25:53SPEAKERand trying to figure out what the angle was there.

25:55SPEAKERI didn't, yes, okay.

25:57SPEAKER- I think egg salad, if I asked for chicken salad

26:00SPEAKERand you gave me egg salad,

26:01SPEAKERI'd be fairly disappointed, I think.

26:03SPEAKER- Yeah, I could see that.

26:04SPEAKERI guess what I'm saying is like isn't chicken salad

26:06SPEAKERa superset of egg salad?

26:07SPEAKER- I mean, so you're saying that you'd have to say

26:10SPEAKERchicken meat salad versus fetal chicken salad?

26:13SPEAKER- No, that's not what I mean exactly.

26:15SPEAKERI mean, just chicken salad is just kind of egg salad

26:17SPEAKERwith chicken added, right?

26:18SPEAKER- No.

26:19SPEAKER- Theoretically.

26:20SPEAKER- There's no eggs in chicken salad.

26:21SPEAKER- No.

26:22SPEAKER- No, chicken salad is chicken and mayonnaise

26:24SPEAKERand celery and onion and maybe some garlic and mustard.

26:27SPEAKER- I don't know, in my mind's eye,

26:28SPEAKERI can still see like just like tiny,

26:30SPEAKERlike small amounts of very finely diced

26:33SPEAKERhard boiled egg in there, but maybe not.

26:35SPEAKER- No, like for me, an egg salad is,

26:38SPEAKERegg salad is like New York deli egg salad

26:40SPEAKERwhere it's like some Dijon and mayonnaise

26:45SPEAKERand chopped up eggs and maybe some onion.

26:47SPEAKER- Okay, that's fair.

26:49SPEAKER- Maybe something salty in there.

26:50SPEAKERI feel like maybe there's some like red onion slices

26:52SPEAKERor something, maybe.

26:53SPEAKER- Yeah, some pickles or something.

26:54SPEAKER- Well, yeah, a little pickle maybe.

26:56SPEAKER- I may not have had a lot of egg salad in my time.

26:58SPEAKER- Oh man, we ate a lot of egg salad when I was a kid.

27:02SPEAKERI'm gonna go and tell you a good,

27:03SPEAKERlike kosher deli egg salad sandwich

27:05SPEAKERis still a high point for the day.

27:07SPEAKERIt's a delicious meal.

27:10SPEAKER- I can see that for sure.

27:12SPEAKER- If you were rating the sandwich salads.

27:14SPEAKER- Oh geez.

27:15SPEAKER- Egg, tuna, chicken, what else you got?

27:18SPEAKER- I'm Googling the phrase sandwich salads now

27:21SPEAKERto see if we can get a comprehensive list.

27:23SPEAKERThat might be everything.

27:24SPEAKERHere's a recipe for an Italian grinder salad sandwich

27:28SPEAKERchopped sub salads, what?

27:30SPEAKERI think you might've hit all of them.

27:32SPEAKER- I'm sure there's more.

27:34SPEAKERI definitely, people do like salmon salad.

27:37SPEAKER- That sounds pretty good.

27:40SPEAKERI'd probably go chicken.

27:42SPEAKEROh geez, I'm gonna get in trouble here.

27:44SPEAKERI'd probably go chicken to egg, tuna.

27:46SPEAKER- Wow, chicken above egg, chicken above tuna rather, sorry.

27:50SPEAKER- Yeah, I mean, I got nothing against tuna.

27:52SPEAKERYou can't eat that much of it though.

27:53SPEAKER- Yeah, I think I would,

27:56SPEAKERtuna for me is the God of the salad sandwiches.

27:58SPEAKER- Wow, dang, okay.

28:00SPEAKER- I mean, a tuna salad sandwich is hard to beat, man.

28:03SPEAKERAnd you could fancy, the thing about it is

28:05SPEAKERit's hard to fancy up an egg salad or a chicken salad,

28:07SPEAKERbut you can make a tuna salad with seared ahi

28:11SPEAKERand that's a fancy ass sandwich.

28:15SPEAKER- I suppose there is no upscale rare chicken equivalents.

28:20SPEAKER- I mean, you could probably,

28:24SPEAKERyou could sous vide the eggs and have them,

28:27SPEAKERlike ramen eggs inside a little gooey, I guess.

28:29SPEAKER- What I mean is there's no breeds of chicken

28:31SPEAKERthat are highly sought after, you know?

28:33SPEAKERIt's like, oh, I made my chicken salad

28:35SPEAKERwith spotted leghorn or whatever.

28:37SPEAKER- Oh, there are absolutely breeds of chicken.

28:39SPEAKERYou're like, yeah.

28:40SPEAKER- Well, no, but I mean, people commonly know, you know?

28:42SPEAKER- Oh yeah, no, no.

28:44SPEAKER- There's no Kobe beef equivalent of chicken

28:46SPEAKERis what I'm trying to say.

28:47SPEAKER- Here's a cauliflower salad sandwich

28:50SPEAKERon New York Times Cooking.

28:51SPEAKERI'm gonna say that sounds bad.

28:53SPEAKER- I would eat that in a heartbeat.

28:55SPEAKER- You cut it into slices or cook the slices in oil,

28:58SPEAKERwe'd put some curry on them.

29:00SPEAKERActually, I'd eat that.

29:01SPEAKER- That sounds great.

29:02SPEAKERAll right.

29:03SPEAKER- Yeah, I think that's good.

29:04SPEAKERChopped salad sandwiches is a TikTok trend apparently.

29:06SPEAKER- Yeah, yes, my girlfriend makes chopped salad a lot lately.

29:10SPEAKERThat's a thing.

29:12SPEAKERNice way to eat salad, actually.

29:14SPEAKER- It's a delicious, it's barely a salad, it's so good.

29:16SPEAKER- It's you can eat it with a spoon.

29:17SPEAKEREverything's so finely chopped,

29:18SPEAKERyou can just eat salad with a spoon

29:20SPEAKERand kind of scoop everything up.

29:21SPEAKER- Well, so now imagine you took that

29:23SPEAKERand put it on like a real nice sourdough roll

29:26SPEAKERthat was toasted and had it like a bucket in the sandwich.

29:31SPEAKER- Okay, food in the bucket and I'm always in favor.

29:34SPEAKER- Crab salad, you could do that on a sando.

29:37SPEAKERI'd eat that.

29:38SPEAKER- That sounds good, yeah.

29:39SPEAKER- I like it in a tomato too, like a whole lot of tomato.

29:41SPEAKER- Lobster salad a thing?

29:43SPEAKER- Those are called lobster rolls.

29:45SPEAKERIt is still lobster salad though,

29:47SPEAKERfor all intents and purposes.

29:48SPEAKER- Yes, okay, all right.

29:50SPEAKERHere's a question from Warbird.

29:52SPEAKERWhat are your thoughts on using MagSafe like USB-C

29:54SPEAKERor otherwise connectors?

29:57SPEAKERI'd love to make use of one for our tablet

29:58SPEAKERas a quick and easy charging dock,

30:00SPEAKERbut it's a bit Wild West-y out there.

30:02SPEAKERAnd the connectors also don't appear to adhere

30:04SPEAKERto the USB standard from what I've read.

30:07SPEAKER- Yeah, no, it's completely,

30:08SPEAKEReverybody's buck wild in that space.

30:10SPEAKERSo I do, I use, do you use them, Brad?

30:14SPEAKER- No, I've thought about it.

30:15SPEAKERI mean, I've got MagSafe on my MacBook, obviously,

30:17SPEAKERbut that's made by Apple and officially sanctioned.

30:19SPEAKERBut I've thought about what we're describing here

30:22SPEAKERare basically add on, like kind of,

30:24SPEAKERit's essentially like adding a second port

30:26SPEAKERto your USB-C port, except it's MagSafe

30:28SPEAKERand kind of breakaway.

30:29SPEAKER- Yeah, so there are people that make USB cables

30:32SPEAKERthat have breakaway ends on them basically.

30:34SPEAKERAnd like I bought some years ago

30:37SPEAKERthat we talked about in the podcast

30:38SPEAKERthat had a lightning USB-C and micro USB tips.

30:42SPEAKERSo you just jam the tips, the stumps

30:44SPEAKERand whatever you wanted to charge.

30:46SPEAKER- I use them exclusively for charging

30:49SPEAKERand for usually low power stuff.

30:51SPEAKERSo like, they're great for charging controllers,

30:55SPEAKERrechargeable controllers, they're great.

30:57SPEAKERMy daughter's Switch has one in it

30:59SPEAKER'cause it's relatively low power

31:01SPEAKERand she only uses it, she doesn't use it.

31:06SPEAKERBasically, you can't use it

31:08SPEAKERif you're gonna use the device while it's plugged in.

31:11SPEAKER- Interesting. - 'Cause it'll break,

31:12SPEAKERit'll come on and off

31:13SPEAKERand turn on and off the charging constantly

31:15SPEAKERand it'll jack you up just from wobbling

31:17SPEAKER'cause it's not as tight as the MagSafe.

31:21SPEAKERThe other thing is, if you're gonna walk this path,

31:24SPEAKERyou commit to buying one of those cables forever and ever

31:27SPEAKERand don't mix and match them

31:29SPEAKERbecause if you mix and match them,

31:32SPEAKERthe potential for bad electricity stuff to happen is there.

31:36SPEAKERI don't know how likely it is,

31:38SPEAKERbut because there's no standard,

31:40SPEAKERcable manufacturer A and cable manufacturer B

31:42SPEAKERmight use the same magnet scheme

31:45SPEAKERand different wiring schemes

31:46SPEAKERin a way that would be tragic for your expensive devices.

31:49SPEAKER- Yeah, I started to say,

31:50SPEAKERis there even a chance that they're physically compatible

31:52SPEAKERbetween brands, but the way that things get recycled

31:54SPEAKERand rebadged out there on Amazon these days,

31:56SPEAKERyou could totally see people using the same connector.

31:58SPEAKER- My assumption is that you can buy the smart magnets,

32:01SPEAKERthat you buy the same smart magnets from the same places

32:05SPEAKERand then you buy the, there's 50 different wiring harnesses

32:08SPEAKERand God only knows which way it's gonna work out.

32:13SPEAKERThere's the one factory that makes all the smart magnets.

32:15SPEAKERI had to replace the battery in that '94 Civic

32:19SPEAKERat my parents' house last week or the week before

32:22SPEAKERand the guy who sold us the battery

32:25SPEAKERwas saying that all the car batteries

32:27SPEAKERbasically come from the same factory these days.

32:30SPEAKER- Yeah, it's like toilet paper.

32:31SPEAKERThere's one toilet paper factory

32:33SPEAKERin each region of the country.

32:36SPEAKER- Did you know like 80% of the whiskey in this country

32:38SPEAKERis all distilled in the same industrial facility?

32:41SPEAKER- Well, 'cause a lot of places only do the blend-in, right?

32:44SPEAKER- They do like the, I can't remember the name of it.

32:47SPEAKERThere's, it's a very corporate sounding like acronym

32:51SPEAKERfor this place in like Indiana or Ohio,

32:53SPEAKERsomewhere in the Midwest that just does this-

32:56SPEAKER- Corn, grain, alcohol.

32:57SPEAKER- Yeah, like they do the basic distilling

32:59SPEAKERand then they sell the distillate to quote unquote,

33:03SPEAKERdistilleries who are not actually distilling,

33:05SPEAKERbut they are aging and blending.

33:06SPEAKERSo there is some amount of finishing there.

33:10SPEAKER- I don't, this is why if you gotta buy the bourbon

33:14SPEAKERinstead of whiskey,

33:15SPEAKERis the bourbon has to be not blended like that.

33:18SPEAKER- It does, I'm trying to remember

33:19SPEAKERwhat the rules are around bourbon.

33:21SPEAKERThere are rules.

33:23SPEAKER- I mean, I don't think there are legal rules

33:24SPEAKERexcept for in Kentucky, probably.

33:26SPEAKER- Maybe, I can't remember.

33:27SPEAKERSo this is, I'm gonna get into the whole tangent here.

33:29SPEAKERThere's also the bottle and bond thing.

33:32SPEAKER- I don't know about that.

33:33SPEAKER- Which was a congressional act passed,

33:34SPEAKERI'm gonna say it was in the late 1800s.

33:36SPEAKERI think it was well in advance of prohibition.

33:39SPEAKER- Okay.

33:40SPEAKER- And it specifies a bunch of baseline quality standards

33:43SPEAKERfor whiskey production,

33:44SPEAKERbecause so much like bootleg garbage was being made

33:46SPEAKERand making people go blind.

33:48SPEAKER- And how many rats feet you can have per gallon

33:51SPEAKERand stuff like that.

33:52SPEAKER- Well, it's.

33:53SPEAKER- Or is it just about the amount of methanol that's allowed?

33:56SPEAKERThis is the tangent Q and A episode.

33:58SPEAKER- That's right.

33:59SPEAKERPrior to the acts passage,

34:00SPEAKERmuch of the whiskey sold as straight whiskey

34:02SPEAKERwas anything but, this was from Wikipedia.

34:05SPEAKERSo much of the product was adulterated,

34:06SPEAKERflavored and colored with iodine,

34:08SPEAKERtobacco and other substances.

34:10SPEAKER- Oh.

34:11SPEAKER- That some perceive they need

34:12SPEAKERfor verifiable quality assurance.

34:13SPEAKERSorry, I'm trying to find the actual,

34:16SPEAKERit's basically like what it has,

34:17SPEAKERwhat it can be aged in for how long, et cetera.

34:19SPEAKERLike if it, the bottle says bottled in bond,

34:22SPEAKERyou know it was aged in.

34:24SPEAKER- Like a nice car radiator or something.

34:25SPEAKER- Exactly.

34:26SPEAKER- Yeah.

34:28SPEAKER- Here it is.

34:29SPEAKERMust have been aged in a federally bonded warehouse

34:31SPEAKERunder US government supervision for at least four years

34:33SPEAKERand bottled at a hundred percent.

34:35SPEAKER- Oh, there you go.

34:36SPEAKERAnyway, more than you wanted to know about bottled in bond.

34:40SPEAKER- The day I learned.

34:41SPEAKER- Yes.

34:41SPEAKERQuestion from Modek.

34:43SPEAKERWhy does Brad not use Firefox?

34:45SPEAKERDoes he want a browser engine monoculture?

34:48SPEAKERI feel like this question is a little bit judgy.

34:51SPEAKER- Yeah, why do you hate, why do you hate choice, Brad?

34:54SPEAKER- That's, you know,

34:54SPEAKERI just think everybody should do exactly what I say

34:56SPEAKERall the time and the world would be a better place, no.

34:59SPEAKER- I use Firefox.

35:00SPEAKERI mean, I use Chrome once a week at this point.

35:02SPEAKER- For?

35:03SPEAKER- This podcast.

35:04SPEAKER- That's exactly what I thought you were gonna say.

35:06SPEAKERThis video call.

35:07SPEAKER- Yeah, I'm using it right now.

35:09SPEAKER- I use Chrome out of sheer pragmatism.

35:10SPEAKERThat's it.

35:11SPEAKERThere were just enough things that we use,

35:14SPEAKERmostly video calls.

35:15SPEAKERIt's mostly like we use Jitsi for this podcast.

35:17SPEAKERWe use StreamYard and vMix call primarily

35:21SPEAKERfor next lander stuff.

35:24SPEAKERWe've just run into one too many situations

35:26SPEAKERof somebody using a different browser

35:28SPEAKERand having an issue with like getting their mic to work

35:30SPEAKERor something is not functioning correctly

35:32SPEAKERwith the video call.

35:33SPEAKERAnd we're like, why don't you disconnect and try Chrome?

35:36SPEAKERAnd then they come back and they're like,

35:37SPEAKERokay, yeah, it's working now.

35:37SPEAKER- I have a confession, Brad.

35:39SPEAKER- Yes?

35:40SPEAKER- You know those Helldivers streams?

35:41SPEAKER- Uh-huh.

35:42SPEAKER- All Firefox, baby.

35:43SPEAKER- Oh.

35:44SPEAKER- Yeah.

35:45SPEAKER- Did it work?

35:46SPEAKER- Yeah.

35:47SPEAKER- Okay, that's fine.

35:48SPEAKER- Did you notice?

35:48SPEAKER- Like, look, no, when it works, it's totally fine.

35:49SPEAKERI'm not complaining.

35:51SPEAKER- I will say I started using Firefox a few years ago.

35:53SPEAKERI think we talked about it early, early, early in the podcast

35:56SPEAKERand the number of times I hit a site that was like,

36:00SPEAKERyo, man, you can't use,

36:01SPEAKERyou gotta use Chrome for this these days has gone,

36:04SPEAKERit's gone down almost as much as Firefox's market share

36:07SPEAKERhas gone down in that same time.

36:08SPEAKER- Sure.

36:09SPEAKER- So, yeah.

36:10SPEAKER- Yeah, that's, I mean, that's, that's it, you know?

36:12SPEAKERI don't think Chrome is inherently better or anything,

36:14SPEAKERbut it is so big that all,

36:15SPEAKEReverything's guaranteed to work with it, basically.

36:17SPEAKER- Brad's killing the internet, that's what I'm hearing.

36:19SPEAKER- I don't, I don't love the data collection aspect of it

36:22SPEAKERand stuff like the giving Google more and more power thing.

36:26SPEAKERI have thought about trying some other stuff.

36:28SPEAKER- I mean, I think you could argue that you could switch

36:30SPEAKERto Chromium at this point and be the, you know,

36:32SPEAKERthe non Googled up version of Chrome.

36:34SPEAKER- So I, I have Chromium installed

36:36SPEAKERand do use it here and there for things,

36:37SPEAKERbut I don't think there's any kind of profile syncing

36:40SPEAKERat all in Chromium, right?

36:42SPEAKERLike that is useful.

36:43SPEAKER- It wasn't the last time I looked at it at least.

36:46SPEAKER- I don't know.

36:47SPEAKERMaybe I might think about giving Firefox a shot

36:49SPEAKERfor like personal browsing for cross-platform stuff,

36:52SPEAKERsaving bookmarks and so forth.

36:54SPEAKER- There's, there's something nice about, let's see,

36:56SPEAKERI, I, I should have, this is true.

36:58SPEAKERI also use Chrome every other week when I talk to my

37:01SPEAKERtherapist, cause her, her, like her like portal,

37:06SPEAKERher call-in Zoom, her therapist version of Zoom,

37:10SPEAKERwhich is not Zoom doesn't work right with Firefox pretty,

37:13SPEAKERpretty consistently.

37:14SPEAKER- Oh wait, so you use Chrome for that, you're saying?

37:15SPEAKER- I use Chrome for that too.

37:16SPEAKER- Got it, got it.

37:17SPEAKER- Yeah, same, case in point.

37:18SPEAKER- Yeah.

37:19SPEAKER- I love it, it's just what it is, what it is.

37:21SPEAKERAnd for too busy to be fiddling with browser problems

37:25SPEAKERall the time.

37:26SPEAKER- Yeah, I mean, look, given how you guys work on,

37:28SPEAKERover on Nextlander, I like, you don't ever want to be

37:32SPEAKERthe person that you're sitting around waiting

37:34SPEAKERfor everybody else.

37:35SPEAKEREverybody else is waiting on you to get your shit together

37:37SPEAKERso that you, so you can all work together.

37:40SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah, here is a question from,

37:43SPEAKERI'm going to get this right, Kirkland Clooney.

37:46SPEAKER- Hmm.

37:47SPEAKER- That's kind of a bit of a tongue, tongue twister,

37:48SPEAKERtry saying it three times, Kirkland.

37:50SPEAKER- Kirkland Clooney, Kirkland Clooney, Kirkland Clooney.

37:53SPEAKER- Almost, almost dropped it at the end there.

37:55SPEAKER- Muffed it at the end there, yeah.

37:57SPEAKER- Hi guys, long time, first time.

37:59SPEAKERA while back, I remember Will suggesting

38:00SPEAKERthat new parents get a general medical book

38:02SPEAKERin order to avoid looking up symptoms online.

38:05SPEAKERAt the time, I didn't feel the need to look into it

38:07SPEAKERbecause I didn't think I'd have another kid

38:08SPEAKERafter a nine and 12 year old,

38:09SPEAKERbut surprise, I'm a new dad again.

38:12SPEAKERAny chance Will can recommend that book once more?

38:15SPEAKER- Yeah, it was one of the Mayo Clinic guides.

38:18SPEAKERWe got a Mayo Clinic guide to your baby's first years,

38:23SPEAKERI believe is the one that we used.

38:25SPEAKERIt has a picture of a real cute baby on the front.

38:27SPEAKER- Oh, that's a good starting point.

38:28SPEAKER- And it's for newborn to age three.

38:32SPEAKERThe theory there, and this is something

38:35SPEAKERthat some friends of ours told us at the time,

38:37SPEAKERI recall, maybe it was the pediatrician,

38:39SPEAKERbut the idea is when something's weird about your baby

38:44SPEAKERand you Google it, you're gonna have a series

38:46SPEAKERof increasing panics 'cause the answers

38:48SPEAKERon the internet are unreliable and bad.

38:51SPEAKERSo having a book that is the agreed upon source of truth

38:54SPEAKERfor when things are serious

38:57SPEAKERand when you should call the doctor

38:58SPEAKERand when you should go to the emergency room, useful.

39:01SPEAKERTurns out we didn't go to the emergency room.

39:03SPEAKERThanks Mayo Clinic guide to your baby's first years

39:07SPEAKERand also a generally healthy baby.

39:08SPEAKERWe were very lucky.

39:09SPEAKERAnd congratulations, I'm sorry.

39:12SPEAKERNine and 12 and a new baby, that's a hard swing.

39:16SPEAKER- We wish you well.

39:17SPEAKER- Yeah, Godspeed, friend.

39:19SPEAKER- Got a couple of process questions here.

39:21SPEAKER- I love process.

39:23SPEAKERProcess is one of my favorite things in the world.

39:24SPEAKERI've actually been applying to jobs

39:27SPEAKERthat are about developing process now,

39:30SPEAKERwhich if you told me 10 years ago

39:31SPEAKERis a thing I might be doing,

39:33SPEAKERI never in a million years would have said,

39:35SPEAKERoh yeah, you know, process jobs,

39:36SPEAKERbut it turns out establishing process

39:38SPEAKERhelps everybody work better and it's a generally good thing.

39:42SPEAKER- It's kind of, you know, it's like a puzzle solving,

39:44SPEAKERproblem solving kind of discipline, right?

39:46SPEAKER- Yeah, well-

39:47SPEAKER- An awesome optimization problem.

39:49SPEAKER- And it's about communication too

39:50SPEAKER'cause it's often about like getting people

39:52SPEAKERin different areas to talk to each other

39:53SPEAKERand have meaningful communication,

39:55SPEAKERwhich all of these things I like.

39:56SPEAKER- Yeah, I see the appeal for sure.

39:59SPEAKERAll right, couple of questions about this podcast,

40:02SPEAKERthis specific type of episode.

40:04SPEAKER- You mean the Brad and Will Made a Tech Pod Q&A episode

40:07SPEAKERwhich happens on the last Sunday of every month?

40:09SPEAKER- Yes, the most solipsistic questions we have ever taken.

40:11SPEAKERHere's one from Try.

40:14SPEAKERIs there a particular timeframe

40:15SPEAKERyou look at questions for in this thread?

40:17SPEAKERAm I more likely to get noticed posting a few days

40:19SPEAKERin advance of a Q&A episode?

40:21SPEAKEROur selection process is entirely comprehensive.

40:24SPEAKERAll questions are equally considered.

40:26SPEAKER- Yeah, we consider every question.

40:28SPEAKER- I literally look at the last month's doc

40:30SPEAKERand make sure that the last question

40:32SPEAKERwe pasted in last month is,

40:34SPEAKERI go back and find that one and literally paste it

40:36SPEAKERor copy everything below that.

40:38SPEAKER- See, when I copy the questions on the rare,

40:41SPEAKERBrad usually does the question copying,

40:42SPEAKERI usually do the emails.

40:44SPEAKEROn the months when I copy the questions,

40:46SPEAKERI just put a note that the questions start here.

40:50SPEAKER- I've noticed you do that and that's

40:52SPEAKERprobably more efficient, but anyway.

40:55SPEAKER- But the benefit of going back and looking

40:56SPEAKERat the old questions is that sometimes

40:58SPEAKERthere's good questions we don't get to on previous months.

40:59SPEAKERSo I guess it's an opportunity to kind of,

41:02SPEAKERit gives them a second pass.

41:04SPEAKERSo we usually do the,

41:06SPEAKERwe usually record on Thursday, Friday or Saturday morning

41:09SPEAKERbefore the episodes come out.

41:11SPEAKERThat's our typical record time.

41:13SPEAKERAnd we usually pull the questions a day before

41:16SPEAKERat the earliest, so.

41:18SPEAKER- Yeah, or sometimes right before,

41:20SPEAKERor like hours before, right up to,

41:23SPEAKERgenerally most questions that got asked

41:25SPEAKERbefore the episode was recorded are considered.

41:27SPEAKER- Yeah, I would say if you're asking about something

41:29SPEAKERthat's like of the moment,

41:31SPEAKERthe time that's most likely to happen is,

41:33SPEAKERlike if you're asking about news,

41:35SPEAKERthe time that's most likely to hit

41:37SPEAKERis the week of the recording.

41:39SPEAKERIf it's something from the first week of the month,

41:41SPEAKERoften it's no longer relevant by the time the episode airs.

41:44SPEAKER- Yes, yes, but all questions do get read.

41:46SPEAKER- Yeah, oh yeah. - And considered for this.

41:49SPEAKER- By both of us, just to be clear,

41:50SPEAKERwe both read the entire list.

41:53SPEAKER- Yes, here's the other question from Bats.

41:56SPEAKERBats, that's a pretty good username.

41:58SPEAKER- I'm Bats.

42:00SPEAKER- This is asked in the Discord channel

42:02SPEAKERand pertains to that channel.

42:03SPEAKERHow does this channel work

42:04SPEAKERwith the magic disappearing messages?

42:06SPEAKERI was idly curious how it worked

42:08SPEAKERand was noodling around in Discord settings

42:10SPEAKERon a test server, trying to replicate it for fun,

42:12SPEAKERbut was stumped.

42:13SPEAKERI think you set that up originally, if I remember.

42:16SPEAKER- Yeah, so everybody has the permission to view the channel.

42:21SPEAKEREveryone has the permission to send messages.

42:23SPEAKEROnly Brad and I have the permission to read message history.

42:27SPEAKER- That's it, yes.

42:29SPEAKER- And we explicitly block message history

42:32SPEAKERfor the patron role,

42:34SPEAKERwhich is what everybody in the Discord has.

42:36SPEAKERSo, what that means is you see a message as it's posted.

42:43SPEAKERIf you're in the channel lurking,

42:44SPEAKERyou'll see the messages come through.

42:46SPEAKERPeople shouldn't take it as a private chat

42:47SPEAKERto ask us questions about private stuff.

42:50SPEAKERBut you do get,

42:54SPEAKERonce it's out of that initial buffer,

42:57SPEAKERthe messages go away.

42:58SPEAKERSo, if you leave and come back,

42:59SPEAKERthen the channel will be blank again.

43:01SPEAKER- Yeah.

43:03SPEAKER- It's a stupid implementation.

43:06SPEAKERI literally did it because I was like,

43:08SPEAKER"I wonder if this will work," and then it worked.

43:10SPEAKERAnd I was like, "This is very stupid and fun. I like it."

43:12SPEAKER- Oh, that was not an established practice?

43:13SPEAKERYou just figured that out? - Nope.

43:15SPEAKER- That's cool.

43:16SPEAKER- I came up with that.

43:17SPEAKER- Those are the best.

43:18SPEAKERSpeaking of process jobs,

43:20SPEAKERthat's my favorite thing is just solving problems

43:22SPEAKERin unconventional ways.

43:24SPEAKERAll right, this is a historic moment.

43:27SPEAKER- Oh, no.

43:28SPEAKER- I didn't even do this intentionally.

43:30SPEAKERI have flagged three different questions

43:32SPEAKERfrom a user who has finally clarified

43:34SPEAKERthe pronunciation of their username.

43:35SPEAKER- Oh, boy.

43:36SPEAKER- It is Mainjix.

43:37SPEAKER- Oh, Mainjix.

43:38SPEAKER- I may not read all three of these questions,

43:40SPEAKERbut thank you.

43:41SPEAKERNow we know for sure.

43:42SPEAKER- Wait, is it Mainjix or Maingix?

43:45SPEAKER- Well-

43:45SPEAKER- 'Cause they didn't say whether it's a hard G or soft G.

43:47SPEAKER- It's pronounced M-A-N-E dash G-I-X,

43:50SPEAKERso I guess you're right.

43:51SPEAKERIt could still be Mainjix.

43:53SPEAKER- Or Mainjix.

43:54SPEAKER- Okay, we'll need further clarification.

43:55SPEAKER- Yeah, part two coming next month.

43:58SPEAKER- Yes, all right, here's the question.

44:00SPEAKERI don't think this is much of a thing these days,

44:02SPEAKERbut back in the '90s and 2000s,

44:03SPEAKERsome websites required you to enter the www. of a website

44:08SPEAKERin order to access it or it wouldn't load.

44:11SPEAKERSometimes you'd see the URL bar change to include

44:15SPEAKERor exclude the www.

44:16SPEAKERAny ideas why this was and what changed?

44:19SPEAKER- So it used to just be that people didn't set up

44:21SPEAKERtheir DNS settings, right?

44:22SPEAKER- Yeah, or they did intentionally, you know?

44:25SPEAKER- I mean, I guess, but I don't know,

44:26SPEAKERlike it's one of those things that like,

44:30SPEAKERsometime in what, when did Google,

44:32SPEAKERGoogle released a white paper that was like,

44:34SPEAKERhey, we noticed that people click 17 more links

44:37SPEAKERif the pages load fast

44:38SPEAKERaround the time they launched Chrome, right?

44:40SPEAKER- Oh, I didn't know about that.

44:41SPEAKERIs there actual research to why this was dropped?

44:44SPEAKER- Yeah, they did a lot more.

44:45SPEAKERWell, so it's the same as the,

44:47SPEAKEReverybody uses defaults research, right?

44:49SPEAKERSo Microsoft got in trouble for leaving Internet Explorer

44:53SPEAKERas the default browser among other things,

44:56SPEAKERbecause like some enormous percentage,

44:58SPEAKERlike high double digits percentage of users

45:00SPEAKERnever changed the defaults on anything,

45:03SPEAKERwhich is why Microsoft loves to do things

45:06SPEAKERlike put ads on your lock screen now,

45:07SPEAKERbecause most people just leave them on

45:09SPEAKERand they're like, oh, well, this doesn't,

45:10SPEAKERI'd love to know about what's happening on MSN today.

45:14SPEAKERThe, my guess is that people started setting the DNS records

45:18SPEAKERto either forward or redirect to www dot

45:24SPEAKERor just drop the www dot entirely,

45:29SPEAKERbecause it gives,

45:31SPEAKERit makes it easier for people to find your site.

45:32SPEAKER- Yeah, yes.

45:33SPEAKERAnd also a lot of people

45:34SPEAKERjust don't bother typing it anymore, right?

45:36SPEAKERLike people, people would much more readily type

45:38SPEAKERgoogle.com into their address bar than www dot, right?

45:43SPEAKER- Yeah, like YouTube redirects to www,

45:46SPEAKERbut like most of the sites I use on the day to day

45:48SPEAKERare not www sites anymore.

45:51SPEAKERTwitter is twitter.com, 10, I guess.

45:55SPEAKER- Oh, God, no.

45:57SPEAKERI think Google is one, I don't Google.

45:59SPEAKER- Google still does it, yeah.

46:00SPEAKER- I don't really think about it a lot.

46:01SPEAKERAlso a lot of most browsers exclude the prefix now, right?

46:07SPEAKERLike the protocol, what's the name for the protocol,

46:09SPEAKERprefix, the HTTP colon slash slash.

46:11SPEAKER- Oh yeah, I mean, it's weird 'cause,

46:14SPEAKERyeah, 'cause the www is redundant with HTTPS, right?

46:18SPEAKERThey're both saying that one is saying,

46:20SPEAKERhey, use hypertext and one is saying it's the World Wide Web.

46:23SPEAKER- Well, that prefix is, yeah, specifies the protocol.

46:26SPEAKERThe other one is arbitrary, the www.

46:28SPEAKERI guess we should mention the, that's a sub domain.

46:30SPEAKERThis goes to the way the DNS works.

46:33SPEAKERYou know, the dot com on an address is an example

46:36SPEAKERof a top level domain.

46:37SPEAKERGoogle.com is the domain and then whatever you configure

46:41SPEAKERin your DNS records for like a blah.google.com,

46:45SPEAKERthat's a sub domain.

46:45SPEAKERAnd you can make that point to whatever IP address you want.

46:47SPEAKERSo back in the day, people would point to the www sub domain

46:53SPEAKERto their web server, for example.

46:54SPEAKERAnd that's how you got to the thing serving web pages.

46:57SPEAKER'Cause the other thing here

46:58SPEAKERthat we kind of have not mentioned is that back,

47:01SPEAKERespecially in the 90s, a lot of people used other sub domains

47:03SPEAKERfor other protocols and services like Gopher.

47:07SPEAKERGopher or FTP is the big one.

47:09SPEAKERLike for example, and I don't know why,

47:10SPEAKERit's software.com is the one that comes to mind for me.

47:13SPEAKER'Cause that's the one you went to their FTP

47:14SPEAKERa lot back in the day.

47:15SPEAKER- Well, like pop and SMTP for mail, right?

47:19SPEAKER- Right, right, yes.

47:20SPEAKEROr there's also cdrom.com.

47:21SPEAKERBut it was, there was a lot of like ftp.itsoftware.com

47:25SPEAKERwas pointed to their FTP server.

47:28SPEAKERwww.itsoftware.com would point to their web server.

47:31SPEAKERSo there was a lot more, what's the word, abstraction,

47:35SPEAKERor, you know, there's a lot more redirection

47:36SPEAKERto different types of servers

47:38SPEAKERbased on that sub domain back then.

47:39SPEAKERBut now that everything is done over the web,

47:42SPEAKERyou don't really see much anymore.

47:43SPEAKER- Yeah, and I think it's probably,

47:44SPEAKERif you haven't ever worked or messed around with domain,

47:47SPEAKERwith your domain settings, it's worth mentioning

47:50SPEAKERthe TLDs are really, really expensive.

47:52SPEAKERThe dot com, like a dot com equivalent is very expensive.

47:55SPEAKERThey cost hundreds of thousands of dollars to set up.

47:57SPEAKERThe regular domains cost anywhere from like five to $3,000,

48:03SPEAKERdepending on the, hundreds of thousands of dollars,

48:06SPEAKERdepending on the rarity of the domain

48:08SPEAKERand the number of letters and stuff like that.

48:11SPEAKERThe sub domains are free essentially, right?

48:14SPEAKERSo like mail.google.com and ftp.google.com and whatever,

48:19SPEAKERthe incremental cost for adding another domain is nothing.

48:22SPEAKER- Yeah, and you can make as many of those as you want,

48:25SPEAKERbasically, once you own the blah.com,

48:29SPEAKERyou can make foo.blah.com and similar all day long.

48:34SPEAKER- Exactly, which is why, you know,

48:36SPEAKERwhich is why Google has calendar and docs and drive

48:38SPEAKERand all that stuff hanging off of the Google domains.

48:41SPEAKER- Yeah.

48:42SPEAKER- So yeah, anyway.

48:44SPEAKER- Yes.

48:45SPEAKER- Yeah, the TLDR is the more ways they make it easy

48:49SPEAKERfor you to get to their website,

48:50SPEAKERthe more people come to their website.

48:51SPEAKER- Yep.

48:54SPEAKERWhy don't we read this other main jigs

48:56SPEAKERor main jigs question real quick?

48:58SPEAKERHow do you organize your steam library?

48:59SPEAKERPersonally, I put everything I'm not playing

49:01SPEAKERinto a category called done that I keep collapsed

49:04SPEAKERand then another category called keepers

49:06SPEAKERfor my gaming constants.

49:07SPEAKERAnd finally leave everything I'm currently playing

49:10SPEAKERthrough as uncategorized.

49:12SPEAKERCurious how you guys handle this

49:14SPEAKERor simply if there's a better way I'm missing.

49:16SPEAKERI don't, I don't do anything in steam

49:18SPEAKERother than sort by size.

49:19SPEAKERSo I can always see what's taking up the most space

49:22SPEAKERat the top, but other than that,

49:23SPEAKERI don't touch steam categorization at all.

49:26SPEAKER- I sort by most recently played or installed

49:30SPEAKERdepending or acquired like the steam deck

49:32SPEAKERis usually most recently acquired.

49:34SPEAKERSo I see like what stuff I want to install locally

49:37SPEAKERor what I want to stream from the big PC.

49:39SPEAKER- Yes.

49:40SPEAKER- And then the rest of the library is just recent.

49:42SPEAKERSo I see what I've played recently.

49:43SPEAKER- Yeah, I guess I should specify the sidebar,

49:45SPEAKERat least on PC, the sidebar of the library

49:49SPEAKERdefinitely defaults to most recent or does it?

49:51SPEAKER- I think it defaults to alphabetical.

49:53SPEAKER- Oh, you're right, you're right.

49:54SPEAKERBut I've got that set to most recent.

49:55SPEAKERSo that's kind of, that's my, what I've been playing.

49:57SPEAKERBut then the big, the big window with the box art,

50:00SPEAKERyou know, the kind of display case looking thing

50:02SPEAKERis sorted by size.

50:04SPEAKERI missed the old steam client.

50:05SPEAKERI really missed the,

50:06SPEAKERremember before they rolled this version of library out,

50:08SPEAKERthe original steam client that was just line by line

50:11SPEAKERand you could sort by all the stuff

50:12SPEAKERand it was extremely simple and straightforward.

50:14SPEAKER- It loaded so slow though.

50:18SPEAKEROn the steam deck, I have a collection

50:21SPEAKERthat's the third-party stuff, like non-steam stuff,

50:26SPEAKERlike the PlayStation streaming tool,

50:28SPEAKERthe Xbox streaming tool, Moonlight and emulator stuff

50:32SPEAKERas well, so, but yeah, I don't, I don't,

50:34SPEAKERI use the dynamic stuff occasionally, but not often.

50:38SPEAKER- Yeah, let's see, lunchbox 700.

50:41SPEAKERYou mentioned that the April 14th podcast

50:43SPEAKERwas taking a little longer because you had to stop

50:45SPEAKERmore often than usual to make sure you got things right.

50:48SPEAKERI think that that was the XC Backdoor episode, right?

50:50SPEAKER- Yeah.

50:51SPEAKER- I'm curious if you feel a sense of duty

50:53SPEAKERwhen discussing more important topics,

50:56SPEAKERit seems like very few people do these days,

50:59SPEAKERor was it more just not wanting to ensure

51:00SPEAKERthe nonsense that ensues when you get things wrong

51:02SPEAKERon the internet?

51:03SPEAKERI mean, I can't speak for you, but coming from,

51:06SPEAKERcoming from like GameSpot and from doing like

51:08SPEAKERserious editorial coverage of things,

51:09SPEAKERlike that's kind of the only thing I care about

51:12SPEAKERis getting things right, you know?

51:13SPEAKERLike there, yes, I absolutely feel a sense of responsibility

51:16SPEAKERto not spread misinformation, not get things wrong

51:20SPEAKERand act like they're right.

51:22SPEAKER- Yeah, that's--

51:23SPEAKER- That's kind of all we have, right?

51:25SPEAKER- So when I started at ours a long, long time ago,

51:28SPEAKERour only rule was don't make mistakes, right?

51:31SPEAKERLike, what could be simpler?

51:34SPEAKER- Yeah, it's pretty straightforward.

51:36SPEAKERBut like they, we joke, but they lived by that

51:39SPEAKERfor a long time.

51:40SPEAKERLike that's one of the things, like that's why,

51:42SPEAKERthat's why so many early ours people ended up

51:44SPEAKERat Wirecutter and stuff like that is because those,

51:46SPEAKERthey were really focused on getting it right the first time.

51:48SPEAKERIt was honestly, it was the same approach

51:50SPEAKERI had at Maximum PC, and like the hardest thing

51:55SPEAKERgoing from working in print to working on video

51:58SPEAKERwas the preloading the, like on print,

52:02SPEAKERyou could write something, you'd put a TK next to it

52:05SPEAKERwith a question mark that was like check this,

52:07SPEAKERfact check this and confirm it's right

52:08SPEAKERfor anything you were questionable about.

52:10SPEAKERThat's not an option in video

52:11SPEAKERbecause you have to reshoot stuff if you mess it up.

52:14SPEAKERAnd that was the biggest adjustment going to Tested

52:17SPEAKERfor me when we started Tested was making that,

52:20SPEAKERhey, we have to have our shit really locked down

52:23SPEAKERbefore we start talking about it rather than like write it,

52:27SPEAKERmake your assumptions, make sure the assumptions

52:29SPEAKERare correct and then make sure it's clean

52:31SPEAKERby the time it goes out in the magazine.

52:33SPEAKER- Yes, yes.

52:36SPEAKERPhenomenon I've noticed with the rise of social media

52:38SPEAKERand I swear I'm not sub-tweeting anybody in particular

52:40SPEAKERor putting anybody on blast here,

52:42SPEAKERbut I feel like on social media,

52:45SPEAKERthe litmus for is this person an expert

52:47SPEAKERhas shifted from do they get everything right all the time

52:50SPEAKERto how confident can they sound in what they are saying.

52:53SPEAKER- Sometimes it's just, do they talk about it a lot?

52:55SPEAKER- Yeah, it's just repetition and confidence basically.

52:58SPEAKERYou'll see threads go viral all the time on a subject

53:02SPEAKERand then five actual subject experts will pop up

53:06SPEAKERand be like, none of this is correct.

53:09SPEAKERBut it has become accepted wisdom already

53:10SPEAKERbecause a bunch of people read it

53:12SPEAKERand it sounded like the person knew

53:14SPEAKERwhat they were talking about

53:15SPEAKERand now it has just taken on its own life.

53:18SPEAKER- Yep, just generally speaking,

53:24SPEAKERone of the things I like to do

53:25SPEAKERis if we're speculating about something,

53:26SPEAKERmake sure that we're clear

53:27SPEAKERwhen we're speculating using language

53:30SPEAKERthat indicates that clearly.

53:32SPEAKER- Yeah, I had all the time to fault, I think.

53:35SPEAKERI mean, listeners can correct me if I'm wrong,

53:38SPEAKERbut I feel like I go out of my way

53:40SPEAKERto try to say all the time if I'm guessing at something

53:42SPEAKERor if I don't know for sure,

53:43SPEAKERbecause I would much rather cop to this may be wrong

53:48SPEAKERthan say it like it's right

53:49SPEAKERand then it turns out to be wrong later.

53:50SPEAKER- Yeah, I mean, there's nothing wrong

53:52SPEAKERwith being wrong about something.

53:54SPEAKERThe thing that's bad is to spread misinformation

53:57SPEAKERand indicate that you know something, but you don't.

54:01SPEAKER- Yes.

54:03SPEAKER- You wanna do a couple more?

54:04SPEAKER- Yeah, here's an interesting one from T385219.

54:08SPEAKER- Oh yeah.

54:09SPEAKER- My favorite storm trooper.

54:11SPEAKERI just got a next level Pulsar

54:13SPEAKERafter years of having a simple pour over,

54:15SPEAKERthat's a coffee contraption.

54:17SPEAKERAfter searching for discussion of the Pulsar,

54:19SPEAKERI found people complaining that it is bad

54:21SPEAKERfor funky fermented anaerobic coffee.

54:24SPEAKERWhat are these coffees?

54:26SPEAKERI mostly drank dark roast for years

54:27SPEAKERbecause we were an espresso household for years

54:29SPEAKERbefore I started doing pour overs.

54:31SPEAKERYour coffee episode made me try light roasts,

54:33SPEAKERwhich are much more flavorful,

54:35SPEAKERbut what is this exotic world beyond fancy light roasts

54:38SPEAKERthat I can get at local roasters?

54:40SPEAKER- So the fermented anaerobic thing

54:41SPEAKERis a relatively new thing where they,

54:44SPEAKERyou take, it's not a roasting thing,

54:46SPEAKERit's a preparation of the green beans.

54:49SPEAKERSo they take the coffee cherries,

54:52SPEAKERand I believe it's the cherries,

54:53SPEAKERthey put them in a sealed container

54:55SPEAKERand remove the oxygen and apply pressure

54:58SPEAKERfor like 72 hours or something.

55:01SPEAKERAnd then you take those cherries out

55:03SPEAKERand dry them like you would traditionally.

55:05SPEAKERAnd what the anaerobic process does

55:07SPEAKERis it brings out different flavors in the green beans

55:11SPEAKERthan you'd get normally.

55:12SPEAKERI don't know that I've actually had

55:13SPEAKERany of the fermented anaerobic coffee yet.

55:16SPEAKERIt's possible, given, so the next level

55:19SPEAKERis that zero-bypass brewer that we talked about

55:22SPEAKERlate last year, I guess,

55:24SPEAKERwhich it kind of is a combination of a pour-over

55:27SPEAKERand an immersion brew method,

55:30SPEAKERlike a French press or something like that.

55:36SPEAKERI'll seek something out and find it.

55:38SPEAKERGenerally, my guess is that if people are doing

55:41SPEAKERfermented anaerobic prep on the coffee,

55:46SPEAKERmy understanding is that it's not a thing

55:48SPEAKERthat's like the Nestle approach to wet coffee prep

55:52SPEAKERwhere it's just like so they can take shitty coffee

55:55SPEAKERfrom regions that aren't good at growing coffee

55:57SPEAKERand make them palatable.

55:58SPEAKERIt's a new way to extract different flavors

56:00SPEAKERand it's kind of a trendy thing right now.

56:02SPEAKERSo I don't know, I don't have personal experience with it,

56:06SPEAKERthough, I'd be curious.

56:06SPEAKERI know we have a couple of listeners

56:08SPEAKERwho are deep in third wave coffee

56:11SPEAKERand like bristas and roasters,

56:13SPEAKERso I'd love to hear what they think in the Discord.

56:15SPEAKER'Cause as far as you know, it is just a flavor thing.

56:18SPEAKERLike it's not like people, you know,

56:19SPEAKERyou hear the word fermented and you think probiotic

56:21SPEAKERor alcoholic or something, there's nothing weird going on.

56:24SPEAKERIt's just a flavor extraction thing.

56:26SPEAKER- It's just making the,

56:28SPEAKERit's getting different things out of the beans.

56:29SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah, it's good to know.

56:32SPEAKERThe wild wooly world of coffee science.

56:35SPEAKER- It's fun, the Zero Bypass stuff has started a whole wave

56:39SPEAKERof crazy new brewers and like it's,

56:42SPEAKERit feels like, it seemed to me like the brewed coffee scene

56:46SPEAKERkind of slowed down a little bit over the last 10 years

56:49SPEAKERafter like the Clever and the, you know,

56:52SPEAKERthere was a moment starting

56:53SPEAKERwith the inverted AeroPress method

56:55SPEAKERthat went through all of these new pour over techniques

56:58SPEAKERand all sorts of immersion stuff

57:00SPEAKERand like stuff like the Alfa Domache computer controlled

57:05SPEAKERsiphon brewer and stuff like that.

57:07SPEAKERAnd then it kind of got slow for a little bit

57:09SPEAKERand it seems like it's like people are getting into it again,

57:12SPEAKERwhich is exciting.

57:13SPEAKER- All right, last question, I think here.

57:16SPEAKER- Okay.

57:17SPEAKER- From six, I have to defend my honor here.

57:21SPEAKERWell, actually this one really weirded me out.

57:23SPEAKERI had to do some digging.

57:24SPEAKEROkay, this one has been bothering me for a bit.

57:26SPEAKERA few episodes back, Brad teased the John Romero book

57:29SPEAKERby talking briefly about the section

57:31SPEAKERwhere the port of Wolfenstein 3D to the Super Nintendo

57:35SPEAKERspurred the development of BSP or I guess,

57:38SPEAKERto put it accurately, it spurred them as developers

57:41SPEAKERto adopt BSP techniques in the development of that game.

57:46SPEAKERThose existed in academia and stuff before.

57:48SPEAKERI just don't wanna give credit to it's software

57:51SPEAKERfor inventing the binary space partition or whatever.

57:53SPEAKER- Yeah, they figured a novel application for it.

57:56SPEAKER- Yes, the port of Wolf 3D to the SNES

57:59SPEAKERspurred the development of BSP,

58:00SPEAKERchanging the course of 3D graphics forever.

58:02SPEAKERThis is an amazing story,

58:03SPEAKERexcept it's not actually in the book.

58:05SPEAKERWhen Brad mentioned it, it sounded interesting enough

58:07SPEAKERthat I went and read the book.

58:08SPEAKERI got to the part with the SNES port

58:09SPEAKERand was excited for the BSP story and it wasn't there.

58:14SPEAKERSo I forgot about it until the full episode on the book

58:15SPEAKERwhen Brad relayed the story again, I assumed I was wrong.

58:17SPEAKERSo I went back to the book and read that whole section again

58:20SPEAKERto see if I'd missed something.

58:22SPEAKERIn doing some Googling, I came across a Reddit thread

58:24SPEAKERthat points out that an early tech demo of Doom version 0.2

58:29SPEAKERwas already using BSPs on February 4th, 1993.

58:33SPEAKERBefore the work on the SNES port was supposed to have begun.

58:35SPEAKERSo am I crazy and the story is actually in the book?

58:38SPEAKEROr is Brad pretending it is

58:40SPEAKERbecause he's read the possibly apocryphal story

58:42SPEAKERon the internet somewhere?

58:42SPEAKERHelp, this has been bugging me for weeks.

58:44SPEAKER- So I got to say, I realized this when we were,

58:47SPEAKERbecause you had teased this

58:49SPEAKERand then I assumed I had nodded off

58:51SPEAKERduring that part of the book

58:52SPEAKERand just paged forward through it or something

58:54SPEAKERthat I was reading on the Kindle.

58:55SPEAKER- Sure.

58:57SPEAKER- But yeah, so what happened, Brad, what's up?

58:59SPEAKER- I don't have the book in front of me.

59:01SPEAKERYou went through it briefly before this

59:02SPEAKERand could not find reference to this either.

59:04SPEAKER- Yeah, there are three references to BSPs in the book.

59:08SPEAKERTwo, one is in regards to mod distribution.

59:11SPEAKEROne is in regards to Doom,

59:15SPEAKERbeing one of the first implementations of that in games.

59:18SPEAKERAnd then the third one is a footnote

59:19SPEAKERthat explains what BSPs are, basically.

59:22SPEAKER- Yeah, I guess I'll say up front,

59:23SPEAKERI have done enough digging to confirm that was in fact true.

59:26SPEAKERI just don't know where I read it.

59:27SPEAKERI can't find it,

59:28SPEAKERbut I have found similar evidence of it elsewhere,

59:31SPEAKERdirectly from the software guys.

59:34SPEAKER- You specifically referenced the black book, right?

59:36SPEAKER- Yes, what's the author's name?

59:38SPEAKERFabian Songelard, I believe is the author

59:40SPEAKERof the famous game engine black book on Wolfenstein 3D.

59:44SPEAKERHe also did one on Doom,

59:46SPEAKERwhich I have thought for years about reading those books,

59:48SPEAKERbut I don't know, I definitely don't have the time.

59:51SPEAKERProbably also don't have the technical proficiency

59:53SPEAKERbecause they are very technical.

59:55SPEAKERAnd I think those books only came about

59:57SPEAKERbecause the source code is out there.

59:59SPEAKERAgain, that is a game engine black book.

1:00:01SPEAKERWolfenstein 3D is the full name of that book

1:00:03SPEAKERthat you can go find a PDF of on the internet

1:00:04SPEAKERor buy a hard copy.

1:00:06SPEAKERBut there are quotes in here

1:00:07SPEAKERthat specifically spell out exactly what I was saying.

1:00:14SPEAKERI could read them if you want.

1:00:15SPEAKER- The thing that I thought you were talking about,

1:00:17SPEAKER'cause you kind of teased it,

1:00:18SPEAKERwas the fact that they used a bootleg debugger

1:00:21SPEAKERto make this NES port of Wolfenstein,

1:00:24SPEAKERwhich I thought was a trip.

1:00:25SPEAKER- That is in the book.

1:00:27SPEAKER- Yeah, that is in the book, 100%.

1:00:29SPEAKER- That device is called the Sluggo 3.

1:00:31SPEAKER- Doesn't sound like a real device name, Brad.

1:00:33SPEAKERRoman numeral three, if you go Google Sluggo 3,

1:00:35SPEAKERyou'll find pictures of it.

1:00:36SPEAKERThey actually, yes.

1:00:38SPEAKER- Yeah, I take it back.

1:00:39SPEAKERIt does sound exactly like what a bootleg debugger

1:00:41SPEAKERfor a Super Nintendo would sound like.

1:00:43SPEAKER- As somebody, I didn't really get a lot of my hands on

1:00:47SPEAKERlike early SNES bootleg technology,

1:00:49SPEAKERbut I knew people back then who had stuff like that,

1:00:51SPEAKERlike floppy disk copiers and stuff.

1:00:53SPEAKERAnd yes, like super wildcard DX and things like that

1:00:57SPEAKERwere the types of names you saw.

1:00:59SPEAKERSo Sluggo 3 absolutely makes sense there.

1:01:02SPEAKER- Is this thing connected with a parallel port

1:01:03SPEAKERto your computer?

1:01:05SPEAKER- Yes, that's absolutely in the era.

1:01:07SPEAKERThat's the best, the pre-USB.

1:01:09SPEAKER- And then how did it plug into the,

1:01:14SPEAKERhow did it plug into the SNES, or did it?

1:01:17SPEAKER- I don't know.

1:01:18SPEAKERIt may not have.

1:01:18SPEAKERMaybe did it just replicate the SNES hardware?

1:01:21SPEAKER'Cause it was a full development kit.

1:01:22SPEAKERI actually don't know.

1:01:24SPEAKERThat's, that would be a fun thing to do research on.

1:01:27SPEAKERI don't know if there's enough there

1:01:28SPEAKERto do an episode on though or not,

1:01:29SPEAKERbut you can find like talks from the '90s

1:01:31SPEAKERthat people gave on this thing

1:01:32SPEAKERon the kind of bootleg development hardware

1:01:36SPEAKERthat was out there for consoles back then.

1:01:38SPEAKER- Here's a board called the Sluggo 3

1:01:40SPEAKERthat allows a developer to create Super Nintendo software

1:01:42SPEAKERusing an Apple IIGS or IBM PC as a host.

1:01:47SPEAKERWow. - It's cool stuff.

1:01:48SPEAKERAnyway, there are quotes in here.

1:01:49SPEAKERIt's pages 263 to 265 in the black book on Wolfenstein 3D

1:01:55SPEAKERthat have quotes from Tom Hall, John Romero,

1:01:59SPEAKERand John Carmack about the breakneck process

1:02:02SPEAKERof making that port

1:02:03SPEAKERbecause their contract developer had dropped the ball.

1:02:08SPEAKER- Brad.

1:02:09SPEAKER- There's a Carmack quote.

1:02:10SPEAKERI'll just read this Carmack quote.

1:02:10SPEAKER"When I ported Wolf to the SNES,

1:02:12SPEAKERthe ray casting performance cost was too much,

1:02:15SPEAKERso I had to make a new wall span renderer.

1:02:17SPEAKERLearning about DSP trees allowed me

1:02:19SPEAKERto much more accurately resolve the culling challenges,

1:02:22SPEAKERand it worked out okay leading the way to the Doom renderer."

1:02:25SPEAKER- There you go.

1:02:26SPEAKER- So I've read a much more in-depth version

1:02:31SPEAKERof that anecdote somewhere.

1:02:32SPEAKERI just cannot remember where.

1:02:33SPEAKERIt must've been in some blog post or something

1:02:34SPEAKERthat I conflated with the book, but.

1:02:38SPEAKER- Brad, I'm reading this thing about the Sluggo 3 now,

1:02:41SPEAKERand there's a talk, the transcript of a round table about it.

1:02:46SPEAKER- Yeah, that's the talk I was talking about.

1:02:47SPEAKER- And there's a moment in here

1:02:50SPEAKERwhere Burger Becky from Interplay says,

1:02:53SPEAKER"I invented a board called the Sluggo 3

1:02:54SPEAKERthat allows the developer to create a super Nintendo software

1:02:56SPEAKERusing the 2GS or IBM PC as a host."

1:03:01SPEAKERI've already used it to write a game called RPM Racing

1:03:04SPEAKERand the upcoming Out of This World.

1:03:07SPEAKER- Okay.

1:03:08SPEAKER- There you go.

1:03:09SPEAKER- All right.

1:03:10SPEAKER- Day I learned.

1:03:11SPEAKER- Some important work being done on the Sluggo 3.

1:03:13SPEAKER- Still $1,000 for a single ROM system

1:03:16SPEAKERor $12.95 for a dual ROM system.

1:03:18SPEAKER- Wait, you can buy them?

1:03:19SPEAKER- Well, this is when you could buy them, yeah.

1:03:21SPEAKER- Oh, oh, back then, that was the cost?

1:03:22SPEAKER- Yeah. - Okay.

1:03:23SPEAKER- So that's pretty small potatoes

1:03:25SPEAKERcompared to probably what the Nintendo cost would have been.

1:03:28SPEAKER- I mean, I assume the Nintendo cost

1:03:29SPEAKERwould have been 10 grand plus, yeah.

1:03:32SPEAKERProbably more than that.

1:03:33SPEAKER- Development hardware, not cheap, I understand.

1:03:36SPEAKER- Yeah, is Out of This World the same thing

1:03:38SPEAKERas this Another World game I've been hearing about?

1:03:41SPEAKER- Is that a line from--

1:03:42SPEAKER- It's a line from the thing, yeah.

1:03:44SPEAKER- That's pretty good.

1:03:44SPEAKER- Out of This World, incredible, remains incredible.

1:03:48SPEAKER- Yeah, and the Super Nintendo version is the one I played.

1:03:50SPEAKERI would not, I didn't have a computer then.

1:03:52SPEAKERI would not have been exposed to that game

1:03:53SPEAKERif it had not been ported to the SNES.

1:03:55SPEAKER- That is the one I played too.

1:03:56SPEAKER- Can I read one more quick thing from this black book?

1:03:59SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:03:59SPEAKER- It's a big technical, but it's fascinating.

1:04:02SPEAKERThis is the author's words here.

1:04:05SPEAKERSwitching the core algorithm from ray casting

1:04:07SPEAKERto BSP sorted wall span rasterization

1:04:10SPEAKERwas not the only trick Carmack had to use

1:04:11SPEAKERto get the game to run on the Super NES.

1:04:14SPEAKERYou may remember from page 23, referring to this book,

1:04:17SPEAKERthe console graphics are based on sprite engines,

1:04:19SPEAKERwhich are orthogonal to Wolfenstein 3D's requirements

1:04:22SPEAKERfor a frame buffer. The solution to this problem

1:04:24SPEAKERwas to use the Super NES mode seven.

1:04:27SPEAKERThat's, you know, that's the famous mode seven,

1:04:29SPEAKERwhere one background layer made of tiles 14 by 12

1:04:32SPEAKERsimulates a 112 by 96 frame buffer,

1:04:35SPEAKERwhich is scaled up 2X to 224 by 192,

1:04:38SPEAKERthanks to the mode seven transformation matrix.

1:04:41SPEAKERThe Super NES PBU sprite engine is used to draw the weapon

1:04:44SPEAKERand the status bar with 32 by 32 tiles.

1:04:47SPEAKER- Is this in Wolfenstein?

1:04:48SPEAKER- Yeah, that's Wolfenstein on the SNES.

1:04:50SPEAKER- That is nuts.

1:04:51SPEAKER- It literally uses mode seven with a grid of tiles

1:04:53SPEAKERto simulate a frame buffer to render the 3D world.

1:04:58SPEAKER- That's crazy.

1:04:59SPEAKER- Graphics development, old, old school graphics development

1:05:02SPEAKERis pretty fascinating. Anyway.

1:05:04SPEAKER- Yeah, and I think that's as good a place as any

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1:08:21SPEAKER- Well, we could keep going for another five hours or so.

1:08:24SPEAKERI don't know.

1:08:24SPEAKER- I got to go to lunch, man.

1:08:25SPEAKERI got a lunch, I have a lunch appointment today.

1:08:28SPEAKER- Oh man, where are you going to lunch?

1:08:30SPEAKER- Well, this will be out by the time I do it.

1:08:31SPEAKERI'm going to a barbecue place on Diviz.

1:08:36SPEAKERHold on, what's it called?

1:08:37SPEAKERI put it in my calendar.

1:08:39SPEAKERIt is, this is the kind of stuff we talk about

1:08:41SPEAKERon that Patreon, just for the record.

1:08:44SPEAKER- Sometimes, yes.

1:08:45SPEAKER- Yeah, what, how do you feel

1:08:47SPEAKERabout San Francisco barbecue in general?

1:08:48SPEAKER- That's quite literally what I was about to say.

1:08:50SPEAKERIt's a, I'm starting to say it's a fraught topic

1:08:52SPEAKERthat might be a little harsh,

1:08:53SPEAKERbut it's a topic of interest, let's say,

1:08:57SPEAKERbecause this is not like inherently a barbecue-ish region

1:09:01SPEAKERof the country, let's say.

1:09:03SPEAKER- I would say that Western barbecue, it is not.

1:09:07SPEAKERIt is very much an Eastern barbecue, like Asian barbecue.

1:09:11SPEAKER- Oh, that type of barbecue, interesting.

1:09:12SPEAKER- Korean barbecue and that kind of stuff we get all,

1:09:15SPEAKERlike it's super good.

1:09:16SPEAKER- Oh yeah, absolutely, for sure, for sure.

1:09:19SPEAKERI was thinking like your standard pulled pork

1:09:21SPEAKERor Texas brisket type stuff.

1:09:24SPEAKER- My experience has been generally pretty down.

1:09:27SPEAKEREither people do way too much sauce

1:09:29SPEAKERand way too much molasses and stuff,

1:09:31SPEAKERor they're bad at smoking, or just like the sides are bad,

1:09:35SPEAKERor it's not a, there's a couple,

1:09:37SPEAKERthere's a place down by me that's in a train car

1:09:40SPEAKERthat there's a line every weekend

1:09:42SPEAKERbecause it was on Diners, Drives, and Dives,

1:09:44SPEAKERand like the brisket's okay,

1:09:45SPEAKERbut everything else is kind of meh.

1:09:47SPEAKER- Well, you know, sometimes meh is the best you can do.

1:09:49SPEAKER- There was a place called Cat's Head

1:09:51SPEAKERthat went under during the pandemic, I think,

1:09:53SPEAKERover on Division that was great.

1:09:55SPEAKERBut I'm going to 4505 Burgers and Barbecue,

1:09:59SPEAKERwhich I'm pretty sure I've been to before.

1:10:01SPEAKER- I await your review.

1:10:03SPEAKER- The fact that they sell burgers is already like,

1:10:06SPEAKERbarbecue place should only be barbecue, right?

1:10:08SPEAKERMaybe some tendies for the kids.

1:10:11SPEAKERAnyway, we'll be back next week with another Tech Bot.

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