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212: Programmable for the Masses

2023-12-10 · 50:38

00:00SPEAKERI see here in the Google doc for this bullet point, you've included a photo.

00:03SPEAKERYeah, sometimes it's nice to bring some AV. This is from one of the people in my Twitch Discord.

00:08SPEAKERThey posted their neighbor's Christmas lights.

00:11SPEAKEROkay, I thought you were going to say this was one of your neighbor's Christmas lights,

00:14SPEAKERand I was going to say, "How tense are relations with this neighbor now?"

00:18SPEAKERWell, I would have a pair of wire snips out if somebody did something like this in my neighborhood.

00:21SPEAKERIt is the brightest goddamn thing I've ever seen in my life. It's like the surface of the sun.

00:26SPEAKERThis monitor is not even HDR, and I still don't want to look at that.

00:29SPEAKERIt's like, "What are they doing?"

00:31SPEAKERThey just have a straight line of white,

00:34SPEAKERinsanely bright LEDs along the trim line of their house. No thank you, sir. That's my...

00:41SPEAKERIt literally looks like a series of spotlights shining.

00:44SPEAKERHow do you coexist with somebody who does this to the people around them?

00:48SPEAKERYou know what it reminds me of? It reminds me of the landing lights

00:51SPEAKERthat come on at the front of the airplane when you're at the airplane headlights.

00:55SPEAKERThey turn them on so they can make sure there's not a deer or a bear or something in the runway.

01:00SPEAKERI don't know. They have lights that turn on, and they're real bright. That's the point.

01:06SPEAKERI don't know why you do this. I don't know about the city,

01:09SPEAKERbut people down here in the burbs are getting crazy with Christmas stuff now.

01:15SPEAKERI've noticed an uptick. People are not quite shut indoors the way they were the last three years,

01:20SPEAKERnecessarily, but I attribute it to that period where everybody was just stuck inside and was

01:24SPEAKERjust like, "I'm just going to go nuts with these decorations, because what else do I have to do?"

01:28SPEAKERAlso, I think everybody's realized the LED is semi-programmable. I think those lights have gotten

01:35SPEAKERcheap enough. They moved from AliExpress and places like that to Amazon now. I've had multiple

01:44SPEAKERparents ask me about programmable Christmas lights. I'm like, "Okay." Five years ago,

01:51SPEAKERthat was a twinkly-only thing. The lights are now programmable for the masses.

01:56SPEAKERYeah. That's the name of an REM album, right?

02:02SPEAKERSomething like that.

02:06SPEAKERThe LEDs are everywhere. They're crazy bright. Everybody has those big blowups now. There's a

02:12SPEAKERguy down the street - I have to say, mad respect - people across the street from each other. There's

02:17SPEAKERone that's a 20-foot Santa Claus and one that's a 20-foot snowman. They face each other diagonally

02:22SPEAKERacross the street. It's like you're driving into Christmas land. I thought you were going to say

02:26SPEAKERthere was a 20-foot skeleton in there somewhere, but maybe... No, the 12-foot skeleton's down the

02:31SPEAKERstreet. It has a Santa hat on. He has some skeleton reindeer out front now, which apparently you can

02:37SPEAKERbuy. I don't know. Nice. Also, I guess technically, inside of a 20-foot Santa Claus, there is a 20-foot

02:42SPEAKERskeleton. Hey, how long can the cast iron skillet sit without intervention? 30, 40 years, probably.

02:58SPEAKEROh, you mean with the stuff on there and everything? Look, man, you've been in antique

03:03SPEAKERshops in the south, right? Oh yeah, off and on. Yeah, so you go in there, you get a cast iron,

03:08SPEAKERit's got like some manwich from 50 years ago came down there. Okay. You take it home, you rub it in

03:12SPEAKERa little lie, probably wear some gloves for that. And then you put oil on it, put it in the oven at

03:17SPEAKER350 and let it burn on a few times. And all of a sudden you got a brand new cast iron pan. Okay.

03:21SPEAKERAll right. I feel way better then. So when you threw 30 years out there, I'm going to say three

03:25SPEAKERdays, probably not so bad. I'm going to go and tell you, I often clean the cast iron pan

03:30SPEAKERimmediately before I use it the next time. Wow. Wait, where does it go in the meantime?

03:35SPEAKERIt just sits on the stove top. Oh, are you using cast iron at all? Cast iron is our main pan. Oh,

03:40SPEAKERwow. Wow. Did not know you were that. Huh? I'm cast iron pilled, man. I'm fully, fully,

03:46SPEAKERfully in on the cast iron. So we do, well, okay. So we don't have a non-stick really anymore. We

03:50SPEAKERhave one of those kind of bullshit hex clad knockoffs or whatever, but, but we, we don't use

03:57SPEAKERTeflon in the kitchen these days. We use a lot of Teflon and I constantly second guess whether we

04:03SPEAKERshould still be doing that. Is it, is it like provably bad or is it, is it, is that one of

04:07SPEAKERthose like it might be or what? Look, man, you can ask the six legged cows in Pennsylvania,

04:12SPEAKERhow they feel about it. The, the, the, it's not good for you. Okay. Okay. It's fine. The TLDR is

04:21SPEAKERthere's a couple of types of non-stick surfaces. Like the ceramic ones are totally fine. They're

04:26SPEAKERjust, they've been the same, made the same way for thousands of years. It's the, it's the,

04:30SPEAKERthe Teflon stuff is bad for you. As soon as it gets damaged visibly, you got to stop using it.

04:35SPEAKERYes. That's what I had read, which happens in like a month.

04:39SPEAKERWell, I mean, it depends. You just always use wood in the cast iron, wood or plastic in the

04:43SPEAKERcast iron, but now you're not supposed to use plastic around any kind of heat,

04:46SPEAKERwhich complicates things dramatically. And like, you know, maybe, maybe we just all should learn

04:52SPEAKERto stop worrying and love the microplastics, but I don't think we have a choice on that one. Yeah.

04:56SPEAKERBut it's the nano plastics that now we should start worrying about. It turns out they're

05:00SPEAKERsubdividing. But, but no, so the so the cast iron though, Aaron Biba, who's a wonderful science

05:06SPEAKERwriter. He used to write for us at Tested, did a thing, does a thing when people started getting

05:11SPEAKERtetchy about cast iron. She's like, look, man, these were the pans that people hooked on the

05:16SPEAKERback of their Conestoga wagons as they were coming across the frontier of a new country. And they

05:21SPEAKERdidn't use kosher salt and oil to clean them. They, they went down to the riverbank when one

05:26SPEAKERwas convenient and rubbed it with water and grit until it looked clean and then hung it back up on

05:32SPEAKERthe back of the wagon and maybe rubbed a little lard in it before they, they used it the next time.

05:37SPEAKERSo yes, you can baby your cast iron, but they're basically indestructible. And if you do mess them

05:43SPEAKERup, you go down to the hardware store, you get the lye, you take the old finish off, you, you

05:48SPEAKERmake sure there's absolutely no rust on it. You cover it with oil, you put it in the oven, get it

05:52SPEAKERhot a few times and you're back in business. So that's good to hear. I mean, to be done,

05:57SPEAKERI should clarify, this is not just any cast iron pan. This is my grandmother's cast iron pan.

06:02SPEAKERYeah. So don't, my beloved departed grandmother's cat. I couldn't even tell you how old this thing

06:07SPEAKERis decades old. Is it smooth or is it like the Rumple Dee kind? It's the Rumple Dee. It looks

06:12SPEAKERlike it was, yeah. So this does not come out of a factory. Yeah. Yeah. So, so yeah, just like,

06:20SPEAKERdon't, don't freak out. The worst thing you're going to do is have to resurface it. If you do,

06:25SPEAKERit's like two hours, you'll smoke up the house a little bit. Cause the oven gets a little smoky

06:29SPEAKERwhen you do it. It's fine. You're not going to hurt it. I even use soap in mine, but don't

06:33SPEAKERtell anybody. That was the ultimate. What do you think the cast iron police are going to come get

06:38SPEAKERyou? No, look, a lot of people are gonna be really pissed off in the comments. That's why we put this

06:43SPEAKERone at the front. Wait, are we just doing rage bait now? Look, people are, people are going to

06:49SPEAKERhave strong feelings about this. I'm going to tell them they're allowed to have those strong

06:52SPEAKERfeelings right now. I'm going to get out in front of it. Okay. I'm sorry if I offended you, I'm

06:56SPEAKERsorry. Let me rephrase that. I'm sorry. You're offended. Brad, do you know how the brain picks

07:11SPEAKERup the same sounds repeated frequently and like they filter them, filters it out and you know how

07:16SPEAKERyou make that not happen when you're making repeating sounds in video games like gun sounds.

07:20SPEAKERDo you, do you very, very subtly change them from sound sounds so that the brain cannot

07:25SPEAKERlike filter out a very obvious pattern? Yes, but it's way more complicated than that. It turns out.

07:30SPEAKERSo you take each component of the sound. So for example, when you're making a gun sound,

07:36SPEAKERthis blew my mind when I, when I learned how to do this, you take each component of the sound.

07:40SPEAKERSo you take like the receiver sound, the kachunk, and you take the crack of the projectile leaving

07:46SPEAKERthe muzzle and you take the tail, the whizzing sound that it makes as it goes away from you.

07:50SPEAKERAnd then you take some other like bassy sounds like an explosion for the gunpowder going off.

07:56SPEAKERAnd you make like 15 variations of each of those that are subtly different, like different pitch,

08:00SPEAKERdifferent tone, different, slightly different. I think usually the length is the same probably

08:03SPEAKERfor pretty good reasons. And then you set each of those up in a thing and you set each of those

08:09SPEAKERindividual different variations to play randomly with each other. So you have seven tails and seven

08:15SPEAKERmuzzles and seven receivers and seven booms and seven random sounds. And you set each time the

08:24SPEAKERgun fires to make some combination of those seven sounds that's totally non-deterministic and comes

08:31SPEAKERup a different way every single time. And that's how gun sounds are born, Brad.

08:36SPEAKERThat is rad. You just answered a question that I have wondered about for a long time before I

08:39SPEAKERcould even ask you whether the gun fire sounds were being done programmatically somehow. And

08:43SPEAKERapparently they are. And that kind of is awesome. I mean, you could also just generate a whole bunch

08:48SPEAKERof like, so with Wyze, you do this dynamically because it doesn't cost anything because the way

08:52SPEAKERWyze works, it's relatively cheap. You could also make tools that will generate 200 different gun

08:59SPEAKERsounds and play one randomly out of there. Seven different gun sounds probably is enough. It doesn't

09:04SPEAKERtake a lot, but yeah, if it sounds too samey, I don't know. I'm curious about the evolutionary

09:09SPEAKERadvantage because people can really detect when sounds are samey. And I don't know. There has to

09:14SPEAKERbe some evolutionary advantage for that, but I haven't moved. So this is what I think about in

09:17SPEAKERthe shower often it turns out. I don't have any idea what it is.

09:23SPEAKERSo are you talking about noticing patterns or stopping noticing patterns, like ignoring patterns

09:30SPEAKERafter they have become too routine? Well, the brain detects patterns. Like if you hear patterns

09:35SPEAKERin a game for the same sound, like that plays a lot. Like if the gun sounds exactly the same,

09:40SPEAKERevery time you shoot it, people will be like, this gun sounds like crap and they won't have any idea

09:43SPEAKERwhy. Yes. Also, also I'll say given the history of conspiracy theories and such, the brain perhaps

09:49SPEAKERover detects patterns. Oh yeah. No doubt. Like we're bad. We're bad. We're good at it to the

09:55SPEAKERpoint that we're bad at it in a lot of cases. But yeah, I'm anyway, that's, I thought that was,

10:01SPEAKERI thought that was, I just thought that was interesting. That's cool. I have got the biggest

10:07SPEAKERfixation on like little simulations and systems built into games that are not like super obvious

10:13SPEAKERlike that. Like for like a great, great classic example to me is the Jeep in Uncharted 4.

10:19SPEAKERWhat does it do? My friend cowboy who works over there had mentioned,

10:22SPEAKERI think mentioned this on a giant bomb video at one point, like the little gear shift animation,

10:27SPEAKERthe care I've Nathan Drake or whoever it is driving the Jeep in that instance,

10:32SPEAKERwhenever he shifts gears as you're driving the Jeep, like that's all based on what the

10:35SPEAKERJeep is actually doing. You know, like that's not, you know, that's all, that is all programmatic

10:39SPEAKERbased on like how fast the Jeep is going. And I think probably if it's going up slopes and stuff

10:43SPEAKERlike that. Oh wow. That's amazing. I didn't know that. Just like little, little simulations,

10:47SPEAKERlittle like, you know, usable computers, things that programs running inside of a game, you know,

10:51SPEAKERyou know what I mean? Like obviously every game is a bunch of programs put together, but,

10:55SPEAKERbut like little subsystems that are built for bespoke reasons like that, that are just in there

11:00SPEAKERendlessly fast. It's like like, like a lot of VFX stuff is like that. It's just like a little

11:05SPEAKERprogram that runs, that determines it's like motion, determines motion of particles in space.

11:11SPEAKERAnd then you use that to add noise or some sort of random variation to the world that people don't

11:15SPEAKERnotice, but they do if it's not there. So yeah. The classic from, from the first Lord of the Rings

11:20SPEAKERfilm, the classic massive example, massive being the, the middleware they built to animate, like

11:25SPEAKERpeople running at each other and fighting and whether they should, who they should fight and

11:28SPEAKERhow, and weird emergent behaviors. They got out of that where they actually ran away from each

11:32SPEAKERother at one point instead, which maybe is instructive. It's really fun.

11:44SPEAKERSo I don't really like sandwiches. What? I don't really like sandwiches. I'm sorry.

11:50SPEAKERI've heard such people exist, but I don't think I've ever met one before.

11:54SPEAKERLook, to be clear, I like a fancy sandwich.

11:57SPEAKERWhat constitutes fancy here?

11:59SPEAKERLike more than five ingredients, bread, mayonnaise, meat, cheese. Yeah,

12:03SPEAKERprobably five lettuce. That's five ingredients.

12:06SPEAKERDoes bread actually count as an ingredient of sandwich?

12:08SPEAKERI think so. Without the bread, what do you have even?

12:11SPEAKERI just have some meat on a plate.

12:13SPEAKERGod, by your standards, every sandwich I have ever made in my life is fancy.

12:17SPEAKERWell, okay. So we have, there's a lot of people live in the house and not a lot,

12:21SPEAKERbut enough that like making three sandwiches a day means that we have to have like two

12:27SPEAKERloaves of bread. Every time we go to the grocery store, it's too many loaves of bread to keep in

12:30SPEAKERthe house. Also, I don't know if that's possible, but go on. Look, I don't really like the bread

12:36SPEAKERthat much to be honest. Like what kind of bread are we talking? Like if you go to the nice baker

12:41SPEAKERand you get the fancy loaf, I'll eat the shit out of that. But if we're getting like grocery

12:45SPEAKERstore sandwich bread, that's a pass for me most of the time. I'll do a tortilla and put something in

12:50SPEAKERit and like smear some hummus or something on there and wrap that up.

12:53SPEAKERNice little wrap, yeah.

12:54SPEAKERBut the point is, if you don't like sandwiches, home lunches are challenging.

13:00SPEAKERYeah. I mean, I love sandwiches, but even if I didn't, like that's kind of the thing when you

13:05SPEAKERwork at home and you don't have a lot of time to eat, like what else are you going to do?

13:10SPEAKERYeah. So I'm curious, I was going to ask you what you do for lunch, but I guess you eat sandwiches.

13:14SPEAKERIt's a lot of sandwiches.

13:16SPEAKEROh man. So like the first couple of years I worked at home, I ate a lot of hot dogs.

13:20SPEAKERThat was a mistake for a multitude of reasons, mostly related to blood pressure and weight.

13:24SPEAKERI can see that going sideways. Yeah.

13:25SPEAKERI mean, I do like a hot dog though. But like I've done some soups. I do soups sometimes.

13:31SPEAKERSometimes I'll do like, I mean, they're always leftovers are an option, but often we do a pretty

13:36SPEAKERgood job of making the amount of food that we're going to eat these days. So it's less of an issue.

13:40SPEAKERIt was less of an availability these days.

13:42SPEAKERWait, wait, hang on. Are you saying that

13:45SPEAKERyou're strategically trying to avoid having leftovers?

13:49SPEAKERWe, as a family, two of the three of us aren't particularly good about eating leftovers.

13:54SPEAKEROh God, wait, who should I-

13:57SPEAKERI'm not going to out anybody.

13:58SPEAKEROkay.

13:59SPEAKERIt's not me. That's what I'll say.

14:00SPEAKEROkay. I think you may have just passively outed some people.

14:04SPEAKEROh crap.

14:05SPEAKERAnyway, dude, leftovers are life's greatest joy.

14:09SPEAKERSo look, I end up eating a lot of leftovers. It's just fine. I enjoy, like you, I enjoy a

14:17SPEAKERgood leftover. I feel like extra time often gives the flavors time to bloom.

14:21SPEAKERYeah. But also like, you know, we bought a bunch of Chinese food a couple of nights ago and ate

14:26SPEAKERhalf of the Chinese food and you know what we get to do tonight?

14:29SPEAKERYeah. The other half of the Chinese food.

14:30SPEAKEROpen the fridge and eat a bunch more Chinese food.

14:33SPEAKERSo the Chinese food is a weird one for me because I often will take that and

14:36SPEAKERmake it breakfast the next day. Like if you take fried rice and put that on the,

14:41SPEAKERput that in your cast iron and just lightly refry it, make it a little bit warm. And then I have

14:48SPEAKERthis, it's called, I think a sans Japanese barbecue sauce, but it's from Petaluma.

14:55SPEAKERIs it very thin?

14:56SPEAKERIt's kind of a, it's kind of a gloopy.

14:58SPEAKEROh, okay.

15:00SPEAKERIt's thin for what you and I think of as Southern barbecue sauce. It's like a gloopy soy sauce.

15:05SPEAKERI think it's like soy and molasses and a couple other things.

15:08SPEAKERI think we might have a bottle of that actually.

15:09SPEAKERSo I will tell you if the, if when the rice gets warm,

15:12SPEAKERyou drizzle some of that stuff on there and kind of toss the rice a little bit until it gets,

15:15SPEAKERuntil it gets nice and brown. And then you fry an egg and put that on top with some sriracha,

15:19SPEAKERmaybe a little spring onion. It is the best goddamn breakfast you'll ever have.

15:23SPEAKERIt makes bad Panda express fried rice taste delicious.

15:27SPEAKERInteresting.

15:28SPEAKERNot that we eat a lot of Panda express fried rice, but like I'm just saying,

15:30SPEAKERI've rescued a lot of bad food doing this.

15:32SPEAKERI didn't, I didn't, I didn't want to admit it, but our, our, our food was from Panda express.

15:37SPEAKERLook, orange chicken's delicious. I'm not going to judge.

15:40SPEAKERI like the super greens. Yeah. That's the steam. They're delicious.

15:44SPEAKERLike there was, there was a bit of an argument about should we get the super greens or should we,

15:49SPEAKERto be clear, we do not go to Panda express a lot. This is like the second or third time

15:52SPEAKERever we had a coupon, but there, there was an argument when let's say one party was like,

15:58SPEAKERwe should get super greens. They're healthy. And I was like, but fried rice goes in that same slot.

16:03SPEAKERAnd it was like, Oh, we're already getting noodles. And I'm like, what if you got noodles and rice?

16:07SPEAKERSo the secret of Panda, so, okay. We have two, two Chinese restaurants that are like in

16:11SPEAKEReasy distance from the house. One is a delicious local place called Kenny's. The other is Panda

16:17SPEAKERexpress Panda express is open seven days a week and Panda Kenny's is closed on, I think Mondays

16:22SPEAKERand Wednesdays. So often we'll be like, Oh man, I'd really like some Chinese food. And it's Monday

16:28SPEAKERand you're like, Oh crap. Okay. Well, I guess we're going to Panda express. So the super greens,

16:34SPEAKERdelish, the fried rice sucks. The noodles are pretty good. Okay. Good to know fried rice. And

16:40SPEAKERit seems that I may have dodged a bullet. Yeah. I think I just blew our chances of a Panda express

16:43SPEAKERsponsorships too. What are you going to do? I will say in our defense, our favorite local place

16:48SPEAKERclosed down a few months ago. So we are a bit adrift on the Chinese food. It was called five

16:54SPEAKERhappiness. I love five happiness. Wait, have you been to five happiness? No, I just love the five

16:58SPEAKERhappiness meals. That's the shrimp and the five produce. That's possibly the best name for a

17:03SPEAKERrestaurant I have ever heard. I could go for some five happiness. Okay. So I have a new thing that I

17:16SPEAKERthink is as impactful as the soap opera mode on TVs. Oh, you know, in windows, how you go to the

17:23SPEAKERsound panel and at the bottom there, it's like, Hey man, you want to turn on the spatial sound?

17:28SPEAKERHaving switched to windows 11 recently, I'm well acquainted with, I mean, windows 10 had spatial

17:32SPEAKERsound, but I don't think they weren't pushing it quite as much. Well, let me tell you, if you turn

17:37SPEAKERthat off, everything's going to sound better except for like maybe movies and TV shows.

17:42SPEAKERSo it does all sorts of weird filtering based on frequencies and assigns things to different areas

17:47SPEAKERof the, of the head space. But what it basically does is fucks up all positional sound in every

17:52SPEAKERvideo game ever. Oh, I didn't even think about that aspect of it. I just, I just want it raw

17:57SPEAKERanyway. Like I, I, do people actually like audio processing? Like, you know, people love processing

18:02SPEAKERcause it's like, you're getting something for nothing. It's like, wow, I got a pair of 7.1

18:07SPEAKERheadphones. Don't turn those on either. Those are bad too. Just, just, just put my AV receiver in

18:11SPEAKERconcert hall mode from now on. Oh my God. Just put it in. If you have headphones on just do stereo

18:16SPEAKERcause almost every video game ever does the 3d processing for you. And if you do it twice,

18:21SPEAKERit makes stuff sound real weird. You know what I will say in windows 11's favor though.

18:25SPEAKERWhat? Have you ever hit control window V? Control window V. Oh yeah. This is my favorite. This is

18:33SPEAKERgood. I don't even, I use this so often. I don't even know what the keyboard shortcut is. Cause my

18:38SPEAKERfinger just does it. And you can turn windows and you can turn spatial sound off right there. Yes.

18:42SPEAKERYes. They do. They do confront you with the spatial sound stuff in this menu. To be clear,

18:46SPEAKERthis, that, that opens up an audio device selector. I don't know how many, I should have said that.

18:50SPEAKERSorry. I don't know how many people have multiple audio outputs and windows that they need to switch

18:54SPEAKERbetween, but I do constantly. And it's pretty awesome to hit a shortcut and click once and be on

18:59SPEAKERyour headphones or your speakers or whatever. Yeah. I think everybody, I mean, like I often,

19:04SPEAKERit's funny for the first two years or year and a half, I used windows 11. I never had the thing

19:08SPEAKERwhere it switched to the monitor speakers inadvertently. And now all of a sudden it

19:12SPEAKERhappens all the time. Cool. Yeah. That's great. I love it. I updated my video drivers this morning

19:17SPEAKERand those monitors sound devices does not come back. So I don't, whatever, whatever disease you

19:20SPEAKERhave, I seem to have avoided so far. I'm feeling like it might be close to time for a windows

19:28SPEAKERreinstall. Oh yeah. How do you know? You know, it's just getting a little crufty in there. And

19:34SPEAKERthen I hear people say things like the thing that bothers me every time I install my video drivers

19:38SPEAKERdoesn't happen on their computers anymore. And I'm like, huh, maybe it's time, you know,

19:43SPEAKERit's giving off a slightly unpleasant odor. Yeah. It's, you know, there's, there's, there's

19:48SPEAKERextra windows in here. I have a bunch of applications installed that I can't remember

19:51SPEAKERwhat they're for anymore. You know, I probably uninstalled and installed, uh, ASUS's armory crate

19:58SPEAKERthing 15 times. Cause I did the bios and forgot to turn off that flag. No. Wait, doesn't it,

20:04SPEAKERdoesn't it only prompt you to install those things now? I thought they, I thought they

20:07SPEAKERchanged it for a while. It just installed it for you. No, thank you.

20:18SPEAKEROkay. This may be a prelude to a full upcoming episode. I'm not sure, but, uh,

20:22SPEAKERwhere does one get started with fan control? Well, uh, when, uh, two fans love each other

20:28SPEAKERvery much, Brad, that's when they read from the same sensor, they read from the same sensor,

20:32SPEAKERthen you, uh, hook them up to, uh, two compatible curves. Now the control is really complicated.

20:39SPEAKERLike this is the powerful thing about fan control is that it's complicated. It is very complicated.

20:43SPEAKERDo I have it running here? Can I just pull it up and read to you what happens when you

20:48SPEAKERuh, no, I don't have it running. Give me a second. No, no, no. It's okay. So the, but okay. So for

20:52SPEAKERpeople who don't know fan control is my, like the all time best fan controlling software I've used

20:58SPEAKERon a windows PC ever. Um, it lets you set up, it lets you associate sensors on the motherboard,

21:05SPEAKERin the CPU, in your GPU, all the ones that are available, even like the headers you can plug in

21:09SPEAKERand like tape onto something with specific fans or combinations of fans. Uh, it lets you do things

21:17SPEAKERlike say, okay, I want to use this sensor to set the speed of this fan until it crosses this until

21:22SPEAKERthis other sensor crosses this threshold. And then you're going to use this, this sensor instead,

21:26SPEAKERthis curve instead. Um, and it's, I think we should probably just do a whole episode cause

21:32SPEAKERit's a crazy complicated. I think, I think you're right now, but now that, now that I'm on this 14,

21:35SPEAKER900 K I've got certain cooling needs I need to account for certain, certain fan profile

21:41SPEAKERcurve shaping sort of things that cannot be accomplished in the ASUS BIOS fan control

21:48SPEAKERapplication, which is terrible. Cause like low key, the best thing about fan control

21:53SPEAKERis that it supports hysteresis, I guess. Hysteresis. You were the second person in

21:59SPEAKERas many days that I've been on a video call with who did not love saying the word hysteresis.

22:06SPEAKERIt's a word that I've read a bazillion times and I've never actually heard anybody say,

22:09SPEAKERI don't think. Yeah. So I think it throws everyone for a loop.

22:12SPEAKERBut, but, but, but what that means is it lets you control the rate at which the fan

22:16SPEAKERreacts to changes in temperature. So if like your CPU spikes from 50 Celsius to 90 Celsius,

22:22SPEAKERit doesn't immediately go from the 50% speed to the 90% speed. And when we say curves,

22:29SPEAKERwhat that means is you could say, okay, when this, when, when this input is this temperature,

22:33SPEAKERspin these fans at this speed, and then you can change the rate at which that increases

22:38SPEAKERas you get closer to the higher temperatures that you want to avoid. So what it means is at idle and

22:43SPEAKERat low usage, you can have a really quiet computer that only gets loud when you do something stupid,

22:48SPEAKERlike say bake lights and unreal levels or something like that. Like I was doing last

22:52SPEAKERweek that had my computer fans going at 90% all weekend. I still cannot believe that screenshot

22:56SPEAKERyou sent me of task manager. I've never seen that, like every single core on the CPU loaded

23:00SPEAKERto a hundred percent, just like flat across the graph for an hour. Yeah. That was pretty,

23:06SPEAKERpretty impressive stuff. I wish I had something to throw that much compute at. Anyway. I'm in the

23:11SPEAKERexact position you just described where the CPU will burst up to, let's say like 97 Celsius,

23:17SPEAKERbut for like probably a split second, like it's probably milliseconds, but whatever the SUSE BIOS

23:24SPEAKERis looking at is just, it's just looking at that temperature and immediately responding to it,

23:28SPEAKERright? Like I assume it's like on some kind of sub-second interval, right. That it's adjusting

23:32SPEAKERstuff. And so every time, like, you know, not every time I open Chrome, but it's something

23:37SPEAKERlike opening Chrome, you know, or opening Discord, just every once in a while, the CPU will just

23:41SPEAKERspike and all of a sudden, and all of a sudden all, every fan in the computer is at a hundred

23:44SPEAKERpercent. It's just like, wow, there's a jet engine under here intermittently. Yeah. It's like steam

23:49SPEAKERopening, downloading something in the background will spike your CPU enough to make your fans spin

23:52SPEAKERup, which sucks. So I was like, I was all set to like, I was like, man, maybe I should just get an

23:56SPEAKERall in one liquid cooler. Like this is intolerable. I can't stand this. And then, and then all of a

24:01SPEAKERsudden, both you and talking to Adam at PC world, like it kind of hit me. I was like, wait a minute,

24:06SPEAKERmaybe the metal in this heat sink can take more heat than it currently is. Maybe, maybe I can like

24:10SPEAKERlet the metal get a little hotter and not run these fans. Well it's, and it's their heat pipes

24:15SPEAKERtoo. So yeah. Yeah. But the, the, the, this is the benefit of having liquid cooling is that the water

24:20SPEAKERholds a lot of energy, right. Even in an all in one cooler that doesn't have that much water

24:24SPEAKERor much, much coolant, the liquid holds a lot of energy. So you can use that as a kind of buffer

24:29SPEAKERtoo. The, the, that's why I usually recommend when people buy all in ones, that they buy ones that,

24:34SPEAKERthat let you monitor the temperature. So NZXT, ASUS, a couple others do that. The temperature

24:40SPEAKERof the water, the temperature of the liquid inside. Yeah. Or I don't know if water is water,

24:44SPEAKEReven an accurate term these days, or is it, it's a coolant. It's a, it's a glycol thing. I think

24:50SPEAKERusually anyway, like I realized I kind of don't actually need to do that if I could just bring

24:54SPEAKERdown the ceiling on this stuff. You know, the fan curves. So I installed fan control. It's

25:00SPEAKERgoing to tell you what it says when I click this plus button to add something. It's really the UI,

25:06SPEAKERI think maybe has ways to go. I click this, this plus button to add whatever, because it doesn't

25:11SPEAKERsay what it's going to add. Here are the options, sync, flat, trigger, mix, graph, linear, offset,

25:17SPEAKERfile, time, average, and mix. Okay. So you need to start. Without any context on any of those.

25:22SPEAKERDid you do the thing where it connects the sensors to the fans? Okay. This is,

25:26SPEAKERthis is one where it's okay to do the automatic thing and then tweak from there would be my

25:30SPEAKERadvice when you're getting started. Cause that'll let you see how it works. The other thing is you

25:35SPEAKERcan override any fan at any time by clicking on by clicking the green, the green toggle switch

25:44SPEAKERunderneath the icon, which wasn't immediately clear to me. And that'll go back to whatever

25:49SPEAKERthe bio setting is for it. So when you're identifying fans and all that stuff, the first

25:55SPEAKERthing you should do is label all your sensors and all your fans. So you know what everything is.

26:01SPEAKEROnce you've done that, it's sometimes is worth digging out the thermistor that comes with your

26:06SPEAKERmotherboard and plugging that in and getting a little piece of tape and taping it onto

26:09SPEAKERsomething that you're worried about. Like probably more in water cooling where you don't have a lot

26:13SPEAKERof airflow around the VRMs and the memory and all that, but that's worth doing sometimes.

26:18SPEAKERAnd then just kind of futz with it. Like I usually shoot for like a 30 C 30 to 40 C water

26:27SPEAKERcoolant temperature on my loop. And then, you know, you don't want the coolant and all in one,

26:35SPEAKERyou don't ever want to go higher than 55 or 60 Celsius 60, 60 C is when you start having

26:40SPEAKERproblems with motors and stuff. So you want to, you want to have your fans hit a hundred percent

26:44SPEAKERbefore you get to that point, usually. So do you think, should I, would you recommend setting

26:49SPEAKERthresholds based on temperature then instead of like time, instead of like spend up time,

26:53SPEAKERlike instead of saying, wait X number, you know, five seconds after you hit a high temperature,

26:58SPEAKERwait five seconds before you spend the fans up. Are you saying instead you should limit that by

27:01SPEAKERtemperature, just like kind of say, like just keep the temperature below X. Is that even something

27:06SPEAKERyou can like script in this? Well, no, no, no. So the way the hysteresis works is you say,

27:11SPEAKERI don't want to go up faster than X percentage per second. So, or, or down and you can control both

27:18SPEAKERup and down. Oh, so the point is, the point is it'll ramp slowly, but then by the time it would

27:22SPEAKERhave ramped up to the unpleasant level of noise, it's more gradual. So you don't notice. Yeah.

27:27SPEAKERBut also by the time it would have gotten that high, the CPU temp and those little bursts has

27:30SPEAKERalready dropped anyway. Probably settled down. Yeah. So I think for an air cooler, you probably

27:35SPEAKERwant a higher hysteresis than you do with water just because the water takes longer to warm up and

27:39SPEAKERcool down. But I don't know for sure. So I don't know what those, what those you'll have to fiddle

27:44SPEAKERwith that a little bit, but it's like, you could load up something that hits CPU pretty hard and

27:48SPEAKERtell in like five minutes or just download a game from steam. Like literally as soon as like my CPU

27:54SPEAKERgets hot downloading games from steam because thanks steam. Yeah. It does make me wonder

27:59SPEAKERexactly how much I can constrain the fans since I'm not on liquid and there's nowhere else for

28:04SPEAKERthe heat to go, but into that metal, but it's not like, it's not like the heat sink is going to melt

28:08SPEAKERoff the side of the board or something. Well, and the CPU will throttle. So you're not going

28:12SPEAKERto burn anything down. Yes. Probably. Well, great.

28:23SPEAKERBrad, I made something really stupid the other day. Oh, is this the first time?

28:28SPEAKERNo, it happens a lot. It turns out. Okay. But, uh, the, uh, the anacrus has came out

28:34SPEAKERof early access last week and congratulations. Thank you. We've shipped a game. Yay.

28:38SPEAKERUm, and I was feeling a little festive cause you know, it's the holiday season

28:44SPEAKERand I never do these cause I have a plasma TV and it feels like an incredible waste of electricity,

28:49SPEAKERbut I know that people are fond of a, a many hour Yule log video where there's some sort of like

28:56SPEAKERroaring fire. And, uh, you know, The nice thing about doing it on a plasma though,

29:02SPEAKERthe nice thing about running a fireplace animation on your plasma is that you're putting out just as

29:05SPEAKERmuch heat as a fireplace. It does. It does warm the room right on up. Uh, but I made a 12 hour

29:13SPEAKERvideo game Yule log for the anacrusis. It took three days for YouTube to process the video.

29:18SPEAKERIt was so long. I put it in the, I put it in the there's link in the show notes for you. Oh,

29:22SPEAKERthat's incredible. Um, but I just, there's, I was playing the other day and I was like, wow,

29:26SPEAKERthat looks like a log sticking out of this fire. That's just environmental fire in the game.

29:30SPEAKERAnd, uh, recorded, I used the unreal in engine recording thing and made a demo and then played

29:36SPEAKERthe demo back and, and, uh, did, did a little bit of a photo of a premiere work, uh, there and,

29:43SPEAKERuh, 12 hour Yule log was born. You have made a positive contribution to human culture.

29:49SPEAKERYeah. So, uh, if you want something to, you know, give yourself, give your family a little

29:53SPEAKERfestive holiday cheer during this, the holiday season, you know, load this up on the TV. Maybe

29:58SPEAKERnot the plasma is what I would say, but your LCD, your OLED, totally fine. Enjoy.

30:03SPEAKERHow did all this timber get onto the spaceship? That's not timber. Those that's rubble,

30:07SPEAKERI believe. Yeah. That's just, I didn't do any, I didn't do any level edits or anything. That's just

30:12SPEAKERlike, it's just like garbage fire from around the, from, from when the spaceship is bad.

30:17SPEAKERYeah. Cause the spaceship starts out pretty good in the game and then it gets bad the more you play.

30:21SPEAKERAnd, uh, this is when it's, when there's open fire on a spaceship, it turns out that's not great.

30:26SPEAKERYeah. You know, I tend to find that the level of on fireness corresponds to the level of

30:30SPEAKERbadness generally. The more on fire, the worse it is, unless you're talking about an actual fire,

30:35SPEAKERin which case not so much. I learned something fascinating this morning, speaking of holiday

30:40SPEAKERfires. Did we talk about this the other day, the roasting chestnuts, nobody ever roasts chestnuts

30:44SPEAKERanymore. No. I learned why we don't roast chestnuts anymore. It's bad. It's because the American

30:51SPEAKERchestnut tree is basically extinct. There's like a few thousand of them left around the country.

30:56SPEAKERThey got roasted to death?

30:57SPEAKERNo, there was a blight. There was a fungus that spread across the entire North American

31:02SPEAKERchestnut ecosystem. There's a few thousand of them left. There's like a really lovely

31:07SPEAKERconservation effort going on from people who are like going out and finding the blight resistant

31:13SPEAKERchestnuts and they're bringing pollen from one to the other to breed them. So they'll hopefully

31:19SPEAKERdevelop blight resistant strains of the American chestnut and we'll get chestnut trees back.

31:23SPEAKERIt'll be a holiday miracle.

31:25SPEAKERIt really would.

31:33SPEAKEROkay. I know I've talked about how much I love the Apple Watch.

31:35SPEAKERYeah. You're a fan is my understanding.

31:38SPEAKERAnd we've talked on occasion about how much I don't like abrupt changes to user interface.

31:43SPEAKERI think many people would probably agree with you on that.

31:47SPEAKEROkay. It's good to not feel alone.

31:49SPEAKERLike we all know change is bad.

31:51SPEAKEROf course.

31:52SPEAKERWell established.

31:53SPEAKERThe old ways are the best.

31:54SPEAKERYeah.

31:56SPEAKERWatchOS 10 might be the worst upgrade I have ever experienced in my history of using electronics

32:01SPEAKERin terms of how negatively it impacted the way I use a device.

32:05SPEAKEROkay. So is this because of one feature that you used all the time that changed

32:08SPEAKERor just a general vibe that sucks now?

32:11SPEAKERNo, it was quite literally them removing the dock entirely. And the dock was the entire

32:15SPEAKERbasis of how I interacted with apps on that thing.

32:17SPEAKEROkay. Hold on. Well, you got to explain what the dock is.

32:18SPEAKERCause I don't ever know anything's called on WatchOS.

32:21SPEAKERIt was the thing you hit the little side button, the crown, not the crown, but the, just the flush

32:27SPEAKERlittle side button against the housing.

32:30SPEAKERAll it was, was like a list of favorite apps, but like not in icon form in like sort of

32:35SPEAKERwidget and kind of like quasi-interactable form.

32:39SPEAKERSo it was widgets.

32:40SPEAKERBasically. And so they would, they would, they would like you, you set the order, you would set

32:45SPEAKERlike whichever favorite apps you want on there in the order you want, but the ones that were

32:48SPEAKERquote unquote active, like if you had a workout going or you were listening to something in

32:52SPEAKEROvercast or whatever, like the ones that were quote unquote active, like that would float

32:56SPEAKERto the top automatically.

32:57SPEAKEROh man. That's nice. I never used that. I don't think.

32:59SPEAKEROh, it was so great. I like, so like if you're out on a, like, I mean, I just described my

33:02SPEAKERbasic use case. If you're out on a work, doing a workout and with Overcast running and you

33:07SPEAKERneed to switch back and forth, like say to check how far you have gone and then go back

33:12SPEAKERand pause or rewind your podcast very quickly. Like it was dead simple, like instantaneous

33:17SPEAKERto switch back and forth between apps that you're using. And then Apple and their Infinite

33:21SPEAKERWisdom did away with that entire, entire interface.

33:25SPEAKERI don't think you think that their wisdom was infinite in this case.

33:27SPEAKERI think this was very perceptive of you.

33:31SPEAKERI, I will say where the main iOS and iPadOS and macOS interfaces have been relatively

33:38SPEAKERstatic for a long period of time as an off and on watch user for the last decade, they

33:43SPEAKERhave made enormous changes to the watch UI. Let's say every other, every third year, pretty

33:50SPEAKERconsistently for the entire time I've been using the watch and it almost sometimes it's

33:56SPEAKERbetter. Sometimes it's like different and you have to get used to it. And sometimes

34:00SPEAKERit just blows. Like, like that one, that one feels bad. I didn't ever use the dock because

34:06SPEAKERI, what didn't exist when I started using a watch, I guess.

34:08SPEAKEROh, interesting. I see.

34:10SPEAKERYeah. But like, like I, so I do this, I do get the same effect by making sure that the

34:15SPEAKERicons that are the things I use are on the pop-up menu. So I just tap into them.

34:19SPEAKERIs that, is that the one with just the, the big...

34:21SPEAKERIt's the big, the big grass of apps.

34:24SPEAKERYeah.

34:25SPEAKERYes. That, that has been my substitute for this, but it's not, it's not even remotely.

34:30SPEAKERLike it takes like three more button presses and swipes to do the same thing that I used

34:34SPEAKERto do in one.

34:35SPEAKERYeah. The thing, the thing that I miss is swipe up to get to control center. Now it's

34:38SPEAKERthe stupid widgets there that are just Apple widgets because nobody else has done apps

34:42SPEAKERfor the APIs yet.

34:43SPEAKERThat's exactly it. They, they replaced the dock with that widgets menu that nobody supports

34:47SPEAKERand they moved control center, which you swiped up to get to, like you just said, to that

34:50SPEAKERbutton that had the dock on it. It's like they made everything worse.

34:53SPEAKERSo for me, that's a good change because I use control center a lot. But, but yeah, as

34:58SPEAKERa whole, I like, I don't know, man, I just want notifications. I want to be able to use

35:02SPEAKERthe walkie talkie thing. And I want to be able to control my music and whatever I'm

35:07SPEAKERwatching on TV from my, from my watch without having to get my phone out.

35:10SPEAKERWell, you know, it's a, what is that like an inch and a half, two inch screen? Like

35:14SPEAKERI get it. It's probably hard to do UI for a screen that small, but come on, man.

35:19SPEAKERCome on, man. Indeed.

35:28SPEAKERBrad, have you ever used low power mode on your phone when it's like, Hey man, your

35:31SPEAKERbattery's low. You should switch to low power mode.

35:35SPEAKERLook, man, my battery doesn't get low.

35:38SPEAKERWhat about your watch? I switched my watch to low power mode. It lasted like another

35:41SPEAKEReight hours the other day.

35:42SPEAKERWow.

35:43SPEAKERYeah.

35:44SPEAKERLike I'm on the phone. It's one thing, but actually like, I feel like you could, you

35:48SPEAKERcould lose most of the functionality of the watch and be fine for a while.

35:51SPEAKERI think all it basically did was turn the always on screen off. And then all of a

35:55SPEAKERsudden it was like a much longer back. I might turn the watch screen off on the watch

35:59SPEAKERactually is kind of where I ended up with this.

36:01SPEAKERBut then, but then you're back in the uncomfortable social situation of not being

36:04SPEAKERable to look at your watch and see the time without like very conspicuously raising your

36:08SPEAKERwrist to your face, which makes people think that you are being bored by them.

36:13SPEAKERI mean, what if I, what if I want that high level of signal to signal to them that I'm

36:18SPEAKERbeing bored by them?

36:19SPEAKERIs this some kind of like alpha male thing? You're just trying to establish dominance.

36:23SPEAKERYes. Cause when people look at me, they think, Oh yes, there's the alpha male.

36:28SPEAKERSo you don't use it. You've never used it?

36:30SPEAKERNo. I mean, like, I, I mean, I'm being flip, but no, I do charge my stuff pretty

36:33SPEAKERfrequently. So I don't really also, I never leave the house. I don't really go out

36:37SPEAKERmuch for work.

36:39SPEAKERSo, but like my iPad, I usually like, I usually use the whole battery, maybe not

36:43SPEAKERthe whole battery, but I usually try to plug it in when it gets low. And sometimes I

36:45SPEAKERforget. So like often I'll be getting ready to go to bed or something and I'm laying

36:49SPEAKERdown with the kiddo in her room to read a book or watch a YouTube video or something.

36:53SPEAKERAnd like my iPad will be like 8% and I'll have to be like, Oh man. But I still never

36:57SPEAKERturn on low power mode. I see the notification. I'm like, Oh no, this is for

37:00SPEAKERsuckers.

37:01SPEAKERSo did you do it?

37:02SPEAKERI'm not only on the watch, only on the watch. I'm turbo mode all the way, baby.

37:08SPEAKERI have entered the territory with, I think, I think my, my iPad pro, which is six,

37:12SPEAKERsix, six or seven years old now. I think, I think I've hit the tipping point.

37:16SPEAKERWhat's your battery. Oh, it doesn't, it doesn't give you the battery number.

37:19SPEAKERDoes it? iPads do not show battery health that phones do. It's great. Apple. Thank

37:24SPEAKERyou. I think I've hit the tipping point though, because now like pretty much every

37:27SPEAKERtime I sit down to use it, I'm guaranteed to burn 30 to 50% of the battery.

37:32SPEAKERWow.

37:32SPEAKERSo it's probably getting time.

37:34SPEAKERI mean, I will tell you, I think my iPad pro that I bought last year is maybe my

37:40SPEAKERfavorite thing I bought last year.

37:41SPEAKERIt's a nice device.

37:42SPEAKERLike it was, it was the pencil stuff is really good now. And I use it like a laptop

37:47SPEAKERwhen I'm traveling and it's, it's, it's maybe my favorite computer that I use on

37:53SPEAKERthe reg.

37:54SPEAKERSo once it gets old, I mean, when any device like this laptop, tablet, whatever,

37:57SPEAKERlike, would you ever jump through the hoops and pay the money to just get a new

38:00SPEAKERbattery in there? Or is, is a declining battery the de facto sign that it's time

38:06SPEAKERto just get a new one?

38:06SPEAKERWell, does it feel slow when you use it?

38:08SPEAKERNot really. Not the way that this is my second iPad ever. I had an iPad four that

38:12SPEAKERwas like unpleasant to use by the time.

38:15SPEAKERYeah.

38:16SPEAKERI replaced it. This actually still feels pretty snappy now that you mentioned it.

38:20SPEAKERI think I would like that, like that would be firmly in the, a, it was kind of

38:24SPEAKERexpensive to start with because they were about a grand putting a hundred dollar

38:28SPEAKERbattery in. It isn't going to, you know?

38:30SPEAKERYeah. This one, excuse me, I got it on sale.

38:34SPEAKERI got it for like 650, maybe 700.

38:37SPEAKERI guess my point is to get a replacement iPad pro at this point, you're going to

38:40SPEAKERpay a grand.

38:43SPEAKERSo yes, yes, yes.

38:45SPEAKERThat was a good point.

38:46SPEAKERI mean, alternately, maybe the, the right answer is if you just want to have the

38:49SPEAKERpencil to get the air instead, because then all you lose is the, is the high

38:53SPEAKERrefresh screen and the, and the nice screen, but you can't go back.

38:55SPEAKERThat is literally the one reason I bought the pro, like not ashamed to admit

39:00SPEAKERit.

39:01SPEAKERYeah. So, so then, yeah, I feel like a hundred bucks to get another five years

39:05SPEAKERworth, five years of life out of it is probably not a bad investment.

39:08SPEAKERYeah. I don't know if it's going to last another five years.

39:11SPEAKERWell, the problem is I don't know how like replacing batteries in phones is

39:15SPEAKERrelatively easy because you got to open them with screws and you do have to

39:18SPEAKERbreak a weather seal, but that's pretty, pretty straightforward to put back.

39:21SPEAKERThe iPad is harder because you have to, it's, it's glued.

39:24SPEAKERWait, are you talking about putting the battery in yourself?

39:26SPEAKERWell, no, no, I'm talking about whoever does it.

39:28SPEAKERI think it's never going to be, got it, got it.

39:31SPEAKERLike it's, it's, it's like, I would take it to Apple to have them replace the

39:34SPEAKERbattery rather than take it to some guy in the mall kiosk.

39:36SPEAKERYeah, yeah, yeah, sure.

39:37SPEAKERBut I would have thought Apple had a way to.

39:39SPEAKERYeah, they have a machine like that without, without breaking seals or

39:42SPEAKERdegrading, you know, moisture resistance and stuff like that.

39:46SPEAKERThe moisture resistance always degrades over time.

39:48SPEAKERLike there's nothing you can do to fix that.

39:49SPEAKERI'm sure that they put a new seal on when they, when they do the battery replacement,

39:53SPEAKERthey have this big, you should look up it's on, it's on YouTube.

39:55SPEAKERCause once they opened up their repairs to everybody, they'll sell you the thousand

39:59SPEAKERdollar machine that you use to like grab onto the back of the iPad and like suction the, yeah.

40:06SPEAKERWow.

40:06SPEAKERYeah. It's nuts.

40:08SPEAKERMaybe it's time to get a sideline going.

40:10SPEAKERMan, I don't need that kind of stress in my life.

40:12SPEAKERAre you kidding?

40:13SPEAKERNo, thank you, sir.

40:14SPEAKEREvery mistake is a thousand dollar error.

40:23SPEAKERYou know what sucks, Brad?

40:25SPEAKERUh, that's a pretty broad question.

40:27SPEAKERI could think of several answers, but I don't know.

40:30SPEAKERYou tell me.

40:30SPEAKERWe're recording this on Saturday.

40:32SPEAKERIt's Santa Con day.

40:33SPEAKEROh wait.

40:34SPEAKERSanta Con sucks.

40:35SPEAKERSanta Con sucks, dude.

40:36SPEAKERI've never been to Santa Con.

40:38SPEAKERSo I used to live next to a bar that was a popular Santa Con place.

40:41SPEAKERAnd what that meant is there were always a bunch of drunk passed out assholes wearing

40:45SPEAKERSanta Claus shirts in the, in the gutter outside my house.

40:49SPEAKERAnd it's just gotten worse.

40:50SPEAKERThat was like 15 years ago.

40:51SPEAKERIt's just gotten worse since then.

40:53SPEAKERYou know, actually, yes, I've, I've, I've been out for enough beta breakers around

40:56SPEAKERhere that I can kind of, I can identify with the like day, day drunk people overrun your

41:01SPEAKERneighborhood thing.

41:02SPEAKERI'm okay.

41:02SPEAKERLike beta breakers has a wholesomeness to it that is just like, you know, public nudity

41:07SPEAKERand the light drunkenness.

41:09SPEAKERYes.

41:09SPEAKERAnd a lot of costumes.

41:11SPEAKERSanta Claus costumes are also costumes, but they're all kind of the same costume.

41:14SPEAKERBut, but like beta breakers hasn't been like, I would not describe beta breakers as descending

41:20SPEAKERupon a neighborhood, at least since they stopped letting you drag coolers along the route.

41:25SPEAKERYeah.

41:25SPEAKERYeah.

41:25SPEAKERYeah.

41:26SPEAKERYou're right.

41:26SPEAKERBut if you live close to the route, it is pretty raucous.

41:29SPEAKERI lived on that route too.

41:30SPEAKERIt was, I think beta breakers has like people bring their kids to beta breakers.

41:34SPEAKERSanta con is like fucking locusts descending on a neighborhood, red and white road locusts.

41:40SPEAKERYeah.

41:40SPEAKERIt's like, it's like people are out at eight o'clock in the morning, pre-gaming Santa con

41:45SPEAKERand, and like, man, this is like, nobody should drink that much eggnog.

41:51SPEAKERA I like eggnog, but like, you don't want to bake a base of eggnog and whiskey.

41:56SPEAKERIt's a bad idea.

41:57SPEAKERIs it the Santa con?

41:58SPEAKERI always got the sense Santa con was a bit scandalous, a bit ribald.

42:02SPEAKERMy, my understanding is that it was originally supposed to be a charity thing.

42:06SPEAKERAnd then the people running the charity, maybe just put a lot of money into crypto and,

42:09SPEAKERand, and bought shit for themselves.

42:12SPEAKERSo I don't know.

42:13SPEAKERI don't know if that's true or not.

42:14SPEAKERI'm just repeating baseless rumors at this point.

42:17SPEAKERSorry.

42:17SPEAKERApologies in advance.

42:19SPEAKERBut but yeah, I, I don't, I find that Santa con to be I accidentally went to the city

42:25SPEAKERlast year, the year before on Santa con day.

42:27SPEAKERAnd I was just like, my daughter was like, oh look, there's a bunch of people in Santa

42:31SPEAKERClaus costumes. I was just like, oh, we're going home.

42:33SPEAKERThese Santa clauses are not a child approved.

42:38SPEAKERNo, these are bad Santas kiddo.

42:40SPEAKERYou don't want to be, you don't want to sit on that man's lap.

42:49SPEAKERBrad, I, uh, I set up the new steam deck for console streaming this week.

42:54SPEAKERConsole streaming.

42:55SPEAKERYeah.

42:56SPEAKERSo now I can stream from steam.

42:57SPEAKERI can stream from other windows games and I can stream from PlayStation and Xbox Xbox.

43:04SPEAKERWell, I mean like Microsoft was really pro steamed.

43:07SPEAKERLike they did that whole, Hey, install edge on this thing.

43:09SPEAKERAnd then you can edge for Linux and then you can stream to the Xbox cloud.

43:12SPEAKERBut I was like, I have an Xbox here.

43:14SPEAKERI'm just going to stream from that to this thing.

43:16SPEAKERAnd then there wasn't a way to do that for a long time, but now there is.

43:19SPEAKEROkay.

43:20SPEAKERYeah.

43:20SPEAKERLike I'm trying to, I'm trying to parse in my head, like the history of Xbox home streaming,

43:24SPEAKERbecause on the Xbox one, that was like a sanctioned feature streaming from your own

43:28SPEAKERXbox in the home.

43:29SPEAKERAnd I think that you had, well, you had to have the Xbox app on your PC.

43:32SPEAKERYes.

43:33SPEAKERYou did have to run their app to do it, but at least they made it available.

43:36SPEAKERWhereas I don't think you can still do that.

43:39SPEAKERCan you still do it?

43:40SPEAKERYeah.

43:42SPEAKERHuh?

43:42SPEAKERDoes that have to be said?

43:43SPEAKERI'm not sure.

43:44SPEAKERDoes it have to be with edge?

43:45SPEAKERI'm not sure.

43:45SPEAKERNo, that's not what that, that's just in the Xbox app.

43:47SPEAKERI think I'm looking now.

43:49SPEAKERI'm curious.

43:50SPEAKERCause I actually don't have any idea.

43:52SPEAKERIt's, it's like a toggled feature you can turn on in the OS, in the Xbox OS.

43:57SPEAKERWell, you know, I don't let my Xbox sleep anymore anyway, cause it saves a whole lot

44:00SPEAKERof energy.

44:01SPEAKERYeah.

44:02SPEAKERI've kind of stopped doing that as well.

44:05SPEAKERBut so Chiaki for the PS4 has been around for a long time.

44:08SPEAKERWe talked about that on the podcast, I think before in the last steam, the, the, the, when

44:13SPEAKERI finally got a steam deck last year, the you set that up, you have to get some IDs and

44:18SPEAKERstuff, but then once you do it, you can just connect, you can wake up the PlayStation,

44:20SPEAKERwhatever. And it works shockingly well.

44:23SPEAKERThe trick with that is because games use the touch pad on the controller differently.

44:29SPEAKERYou have to get the right steam controller profile to mimic the way that whatever game

44:33SPEAKERyou're playing.

44:34SPEAKERSo you like, if you're playing Spider-Man, you need one.

44:36SPEAKERIf you're playing Ghost of Tsushima, you need something else.

44:39SPEAKERNo big deal.

44:40SPEAKERGreenlight, however, lets you do the same thing with the Xbox and it uses a third-party

44:46SPEAKERAPI that somebody has developed to connect and grab the stream and all that stuff.

44:50SPEAKERYou just sign into your Xbox account and then your Xbox shows up and you hit the button

44:53SPEAKERand it connects.

44:54SPEAKERIt was, it's really, really turnkey.

44:56SPEAKEROh, wow.

44:57SPEAKERThis works for xCloud too, not just streaming from your own Xbox.

45:00SPEAKERAnd if you have Game Pass, it works for xCloud too.

45:02SPEAKEROh my gosh, that's wild.

45:04SPEAKERHas this been just reverse engineered?

45:07SPEAKERI don't know who did the protocol, how the protocol stuff works, but I, all I know is

45:12SPEAKERI signed into a Microsoft prompt to give it permission to access my, my stuff.

45:16SPEAKERIt had the right, like, it was like, Hey, here's this information it can get.

45:19SPEAKERAnd it didn't look, didn't look bad.

45:22SPEAKERAnd now I have a little Linux program on my Steam Deck that I can double click and it

45:26SPEAKERlaunches straight into the, you can even deep link into specific games on that if you want.

45:30SPEAKERSo if you want to make a shortcut on your Steam, on your Steam, Steam Deck control panel,

45:35SPEAKERyou could do that, but it works on PC too.

45:37SPEAKERThere's a PC version as well.

45:38SPEAKERSo we'll have to grab this.

45:39SPEAKERIt's very kind of what it says about me.

45:42SPEAKERSometimes it's very convenient to be able to access your consoles that are in the next

45:45SPEAKERroom without walking in the next room, let's say to install things.

45:49SPEAKERI'll be honest, I've been using it to play, uh, Knights, Knights of the Old Republic on

45:54SPEAKERmy, on my Steam Deck because getting mods installed on the Linux version, kind of a

45:59SPEAKERpain in the ass, uh, running the Steam Deck to connect to the Xbox in the other room.

46:05SPEAKERNo problem.

46:06SPEAKERIt turns out.

46:06SPEAKERYeah.

46:07SPEAKERI have, I like open source.

46:09SPEAKERIt doesn't have to be open source.

46:10SPEAKERIt usually is a bit like open source or homebrew hooks into corporate services.

46:15SPEAKERYou know what I mean?

46:16SPEAKERLike, yeah, it feels like you're getting something, right?

46:18SPEAKERLike Greenlight and Chiaki are both great examples of like, those are technologies

46:21SPEAKERdesigned by giant companies to work with their wall to garden bespoke hardware.

46:26SPEAKERBut then here comes random developers like, ah, I built a thing.

46:28SPEAKERIt works.

46:29SPEAKERIt hooks into their thing.

46:30SPEAKERI feel like, um, I assume you've seen, have you seen the news about Beeper Mini going

46:34SPEAKERaround?

46:35SPEAKERYeah, they shut it down, didn't they?

46:36SPEAKERWhich lasted all of, I think three days.

46:38SPEAKERThat seems right.

46:40SPEAKERThat's, that is the latest attempt on Android by somebody to hook into the iMessage ecosystem,

46:45SPEAKERexcept on like the previous attempts, which as far as I know have all involved running

46:50SPEAKERa Mac somewhere for every user, not, not necessarily a physical Mac, probably VMs or whatever,

46:54SPEAKERbut they were having to relay all these other attempts to do this.

46:57SPEAKERWe're having to relay iMessages through a virtual Mac somewhere in the cloud.

47:02SPEAKEROr you had to run a piece of software on your own computer.

47:04SPEAKERYes.

47:04SPEAKEROr you could do it on a Mac of your own, but this one, apparently this one, they like

47:08SPEAKERstraight up figure out how to reverse engineer another protocol to hook into it natively.

47:12SPEAKERAnd, and decrypt it presumably.

47:14SPEAKERAnd it worked for about three days.

47:17SPEAKERI, I, so oddly I've been using the phone link thing.

47:21SPEAKERThat's part of Windows 11.

47:22SPEAKERYou can download it from the Microsoft store and it connects to your phone over Bluetooth

47:25SPEAKERand I can send and receive iMessages.

47:27SPEAKERLike I get notifications on my desktop when it's connected.

47:30SPEAKERIs it full iMessages?

47:32SPEAKERI should set that up.

47:33SPEAKERThat sounds very useful, but I, doesn't it, doesn't it only do some of the functionality?

47:37SPEAKERIt it's weirdly limited and I don't know what the edges are, but the upshot is if my

47:41SPEAKERwife sends me a text and I don't have my phone where I can hear it, then I get a message

47:45SPEAKERon my screen that lets me respond to her, which is really the 99% use case.

47:49SPEAKERThat's all I need, soul.

47:51SPEAKERYeah.

47:51SPEAKERCause like otherwise I get like weird discord messages from somebody with no profile icon

47:55SPEAKERand it's like, Hey, can you check your phone?

47:58SPEAKERAnd stuff like that.

47:59SPEAKERSo, but yeah, Chiaqui, Greenlight, both great.

48:01SPEAKERI haven't said, I set up EmuDeck, but I haven't done all that stuff yet on the OLED.

48:04SPEAKERThe OLED looks real good still.

48:06SPEAKERYeah.

48:06SPEAKERSo I hear, you know what's cool?

48:07SPEAKERInteroperability.

48:08SPEAKERYeah.

48:08SPEAKERYou know, make everything work with everything else.

48:10SPEAKERI love that.

48:11SPEAKERYou know what else I love, Brad?

48:13SPEAKERWhat's that?

48:13SPEAKERI love our patrons.

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48:16SPEAKERWe're here.

48:17SPEAKERIt's that time of the show again.

48:18SPEAKERYeah.

48:19SPEAKERWe made it to the end of another, this one, this isn't exactly a, this isn't a potpourri.

48:24SPEAKERThis isn't a cold opens.

48:25SPEAKERThis is a coldpourri.

48:27SPEAKERA cold, a cube?

48:28SPEAKERPo opens.

48:30SPEAKERIt's a cube, right?

48:31SPEAKERAnd then we, we, we decided a bundle of cold opens was called a cube.

48:35SPEAKERI guess so.

48:35SPEAKERYeah.

48:36SPEAKERBut here we are, some of these were more functional than cold opens.

48:39SPEAKERI think we kind of, we kind of, we kind of broke the pattern on this one.

48:42SPEAKERI don't know.

48:43SPEAKERLet us know what you think.

48:44SPEAKERYeah.

48:44SPEAKERIt's, it's been a, it's been a weird week.

48:45SPEAKERI hope this episode was acceptable.

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49:40SPEAKERSomebody was posting that they had never had sour cream and lemon and dill together.

49:45SPEAKERAnd I was like, you know what?

49:46SPEAKERI don't know that I've ever had those in a warm thing before.

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50:22SPEAKERAnd I guess that'll do it for us this week.

50:26SPEAKERI believe it will.

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