193: The Bob Ballard Fan Club

00:00SPEAKERDo you ever just float in a pool in the middle of the night

00:03SPEAKERand look up at the stars and, you know,

00:06SPEAKERwatch meteors come down?

00:09SPEAKER- Always, every night, you know.

00:11SPEAKER- Yeah, it's a good way to spend an evening.

00:13SPEAKERIt's a good way to spend the wee hours of the morning

00:15SPEAKERwhen you can't sleep, it turns out.

00:16SPEAKER- Sounds contemplative, where you couldn't sleep

00:18SPEAKERin the middle of a meteor shower.

00:20SPEAKER- I had a hard time, I had a little bit of hard time

00:21SPEAKERsleeping last night and I was like,

00:23SPEAKERwhy don't you go out and, you know, take a dip?

00:26SPEAKERAnd I looked at the temperature

00:27SPEAKERand it was 104 degrees outside.

00:29SPEAKER- At night, what time, what's the timeframe here?

00:33SPEAKER- 1130, midnight, I don't know, not super late, but late.

00:36SPEAKER- Okay, so this is, I haven't been able to go to sleep yet,

00:39SPEAKERnot I woke up at the two to three,

00:42SPEAKERthe witching hour and can't go back to sleep.

00:44SPEAKER- This is more like I should be going to sleep now,

00:47SPEAKERbut I'm gonna make a choice and I'm sitting here

00:51SPEAKERand I'm like, I don't feel like going to sleep.

00:52SPEAKERShe's like, why don't you go for a swim?

00:53SPEAKERSo, you know.

00:54SPEAKER- That sounds nice, I mean, it was good.

00:56SPEAKERThe 104 degrees at 1130 part, maybe not so nice.

01:00SPEAKER- So here's the thing about 104 degrees at 1130

01:03SPEAKERis that the relative humidity is so low

01:06SPEAKERthat it feels really nice.

01:08SPEAKERLike it feels like you're just in a nice warm room.

01:11SPEAKERYou have to keep drinking water all the time.

01:13SPEAKER- Sure.

01:13SPEAKER- But like, and when you're in the pool,

01:17SPEAKERwhat it means is when you get out of the water,

01:20SPEAKERthe water dries off of you so fast that that feels cold,

01:24SPEAKERbut then as soon as that water evaporates,

01:25SPEAKERit feels nice and warm.

01:27SPEAKERSo, and the water in the pool also because of the sun,

01:29SPEAKERbecause it's been 120 all day, every day is like 90 degrees.

01:33SPEAKER- That's wow.

01:34SPEAKER- It's kind of like a bath.

01:35SPEAKER- That's almost your body temperature.

01:37SPEAKER- Very close.

01:38SPEAKER- The heat and humidity are weird.

01:39SPEAKERI became, this feels like a rehash of the AQI conversation

01:43SPEAKERfrom three years ago.

01:44SPEAKERI became aware of the concept of wet bulb temperature

01:47SPEAKERrecently. - Oh no, no, no.

01:48SPEAKERThis is grim.

01:49SPEAKER- Well, we don't have to get too into it.

01:50SPEAKERI just, I feel like there are a lot of concepts

01:52SPEAKERrelated to various climate factors.

01:55SPEAKER- Well, as we close out the hottest month ever,

01:59SPEAKERwhich had the 10 hottest days on record

02:01SPEAKERfor the entire world,

02:03SPEAKERand Atlantic ocean temperatures reach 100 degrees in Florida

02:07SPEAKERand world record temperatures happened in Death Valley,

02:11SPEAKERmaybe there's controversy about that as I understand it.

02:14SPEAKER- We're all gonna have to become amateur.

02:15SPEAKERWhat is the ology of temperature and humidity?

02:19SPEAKER- I think we have to make decisions based on our weather

02:22SPEAKERand our environment and thoughts.

02:24SPEAKERBut anyway, these meteor showers happening now.

02:26SPEAKER- Cool.

02:27SPEAKER- This is other worldly and fun.

02:29SPEAKERYou can go out and fight a dark place starting now

02:32SPEAKER'cause there's two smaller meteor showers,

02:33SPEAKERbut then the Perseids start in a couple of weeks

02:37SPEAKERand it's a good year for them 'cause the new moon,

02:39SPEAKERthe Perseids are hitting

02:39SPEAKERabout the time the new moon hits on the 13th.

02:42SPEAKER- Oh, you should go to Google and type meteor shower.

02:45SPEAKER- Something cool happened?

02:46SPEAKER- They did a cool little thing, I will say.

02:48SPEAKERI feel like I looked up the Perseids last year

02:51SPEAKERand we're not quite in a good spot to see them.

02:54SPEAKERI can't remember.

02:55SPEAKER- So they're good basically if the moon is either new

02:59SPEAKERor sets early enough in the night

03:02SPEAKERthat it's not up all the other meteor showers going.

03:05SPEAKER- Okay.

03:06SPEAKER- But even last night, three weeks off,

03:09SPEAKERtwo and a half weeks off peak,

03:11SPEAKERI saw a couple of really huge bright burning fireballs

03:17SPEAKERand then a bunch of little ones that are ranged from,

03:19SPEAKERwas that a meteor or is my eye just being weird to,

03:22SPEAKERoh yeah, that one's okay, I guess.

03:26SPEAKERAnd I was out there for probably an hour or so.

03:28SPEAKER- Man, that sounds nice.

03:29SPEAKERI should see a meteor shower at some point.

03:31SPEAKERI don't think I have.

03:33SPEAKER- So the ones that are going right now

03:35SPEAKERthat are centered around the night of July 30th

03:39SPEAKERare the Southern Delta Aquarids and the Alpha Capricornids,

03:44SPEAKERwhich sounds like bad characters from "Battlestar Galactica."

03:47SPEAKERBut the Perseids are, I think,

03:52SPEAKERpeaking on the 13th of August maybe, August 12th,

03:56SPEAKERearly morning hours of August 13th.

03:58SPEAKERAnd even if you live someplace

04:00SPEAKERwhere it doesn't get particularly dark,

04:03SPEAKERyour neighborhood might be too bright

04:04SPEAKER'cause you do have a lot of street lights.

04:06SPEAKERBut if you go out to the beach and sit on the beach,

04:08SPEAKERyou'll see some stuff, basically look it up.

04:11SPEAKERYou wanna have not much light in the direction you're going.

04:14SPEAKERBut when the Perseids are popping off,

04:16SPEAKERyou get enough bright ones so you can see them

04:18SPEAKEReven through streetlight glare and the whole thing.

04:19SPEAKERYeah, it's really cool.

04:21SPEAKERAnd if you drive two hours out into the country,

04:24SPEAKERif you drive up to West Marin or West Sonoma

04:26SPEAKERor something like that,

04:27SPEAKERjust pull over on the side of the road

04:27SPEAKERand take a lawn chair, a couple of lawn chairs with you,

04:30SPEAKERyou can see, you'll see stars and meteors

04:34SPEAKERlike you've never seen before.

04:35SPEAKERIt's incredible.

04:36SPEAKER- That sounds magical.

04:38SPEAKERYou know what, it just occurred to me

04:39SPEAKERthat I find somewhat comforting about space.

04:41SPEAKER- What?

04:42SPEAKER- No matter what the hell is going on down here,

04:44SPEAKEReverything just keeps going up there.

04:46SPEAKERThings change down here,

04:47SPEAKERbut everything up there, it's just like it always was.

04:50SPEAKER- Truly, it's the final frontier,

04:51SPEAKERat least until Betelgeuse explodes

04:53SPEAKERand then all bets are off.

04:55SPEAKER- God, man, I think frequently

04:57SPEAKERabout whether we'll get to see that or not.

05:00SPEAKERAnd that's one of those weird cognitive things

05:03SPEAKERof your brain can't actually grasp cosmic time

05:06SPEAKERbecause they say, it could be any day now

05:09SPEAKERwhere any day means what?

05:11SPEAKERSometime in the next one to five million years.

05:14SPEAKER- It's a gap, I think it's a hundred thousand

05:16SPEAKERis what the curve is coming down.

05:18SPEAKER- Okay.

05:19SPEAKERBut even then you hear that and you're like,

05:20SPEAKERoh man, we're almost there.

05:21SPEAKERLike I'll definitely get to see it.

05:22SPEAKERThey're like, ah, delicious, man.

05:24SPEAKER- I like, as you're, when I'm laying in the pool

05:27SPEAKERfloating on my back and looking up at the stars,

05:30SPEAKERI'm thinking, man, it would be really cool

05:31SPEAKERif there was a supernova right now,

05:32SPEAKERbut far enough away that it doesn't wipe out all Earth,

05:34SPEAKERplant life on this side of the planet.

05:36SPEAKER- Do we know how long it would be visible?

05:37SPEAKERIt's a period of weeks.

05:39SPEAKER- 1987 A, you could see for a really long time.

05:42SPEAKER- Oh man, I was not old enough to remember that.

05:44SPEAKER- Well, it was only visible in the Southern hemisphere.

05:47SPEAKERSo I never saw it.

05:48SPEAKER- Can you imagine the types of information

05:51SPEAKERthat will go around if something like that

05:53SPEAKERis visible in the sky for a year?

05:55SPEAKER- I mean, look, Elon Musk will start sacrificing people

05:59SPEAKERand yeah, the conspiracy nuts will go wild.

06:02SPEAKER- Good times.

06:03SPEAKER- Wild, I tell you.

06:04SPEAKER- Let's do a podcast.

06:06SPEAKER(upbeat music)

06:12SPEAKER(upbeat music)

06:34SPEAKER- Welcome to Brad and Will Made a Tech Pod.

06:37SPEAKERI'm Will.

06:38SPEAKER- I'm Brad.

06:38SPEAKER- Hello.

06:39SPEAKER- Hi, hello.

06:40SPEAKER- Hi, hello.

06:41SPEAKERI've been awake for 48 minutes.

06:44SPEAKER- Is that unusual for you this time?

06:45SPEAKER- Yes, extremely.

06:47SPEAKER- You're an early riser these days, right?

06:49SPEAKER- It was a wonky sleep night,

06:51SPEAKERbut then I successfully got back to sleep,

06:52SPEAKERwhich feels like a tremendous victory.

06:54SPEAKER- Oh, nice, that is good.

06:56SPEAKER- Like I basically hit the point where I was like,

06:58SPEAKERokay, I've gotten about four hours of sleep

07:00SPEAKERand maybe do I start my day

07:03SPEAKERor do I lay here futilely doing battle with my brain?

07:06SPEAKER- I've reached the point where I can tell

07:08SPEAKERthe kind of shit that I'm thinking about

07:10SPEAKERthat wakes me up,

07:12SPEAKERwhether I'll be able to go back to sleep or not.

07:14SPEAKERLike there's some things I can go back to sleep for

07:16SPEAKERand there's some things I'm like,

07:17SPEAKERwell, might as well just go up and get up.

07:21SPEAKER- Do you ever go to the bathroom in the middle of the night

07:23SPEAKERand like tell yourself constantly,

07:25SPEAKERlike don't think, don't think, don't think, don't think,

07:27SPEAKERdon't think about anything,

07:28SPEAKERjust go pee and then go back to bed.

07:31SPEAKER- I have learned that if I like tap my phone

07:33SPEAKERto see what time it is when I get up to pee, I'm fucked.

07:36SPEAKER- Yep.

07:37SPEAKER- Just completely fucked.

07:38SPEAKER- Yes, yes, looking at the clock is an absolute no.

07:40SPEAKERNo lights.

07:41SPEAKERI just, I barely keep my eyes open.

07:44SPEAKERI can walk in the dark.

07:45SPEAKERThe problem here is while,

07:46SPEAKERI mean, we're in the desert this month

07:48SPEAKERand this is our last recording in the echoey room.

07:52SPEAKERThe problem here is that the beds are like bhutani

07:55SPEAKERand not, they're a little harder than,

07:56SPEAKERlike I like a firm with a little bit of squish on top

08:00SPEAKERand there's no squish on top of these bad boys.

08:03SPEAKERSo it's challenging and I like to sleep on my side.

08:07SPEAKERSo it's like, they're not the most comfortable beds for me.

08:10SPEAKER- I started to write down a firm

08:12SPEAKERwith a little bit of squish as a title,

08:13SPEAKERbut I think maybe I'll let that one go.

08:15SPEAKER- It's too suggestive.

08:17SPEAKER- What I've read sleepologists say

08:19SPEAKERis that if you have been awake for more than like 30 minutes,

08:21SPEAKERyou might as well get up.

08:23SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah, I'm also better at taking,

08:25SPEAKERlike the Straight Bombay is a nap-friendly company.

08:29SPEAKER- Oh, that's awesome.

08:30SPEAKER- We firmly believe in napping culture and like--

08:34SPEAKER- It's good for you.

08:35SPEAKER- If you take a 20, if you're feeling,

08:36SPEAKERif you're a dragon and you take a 20 minute nap

08:38SPEAKERand you come back like you're a brand new day refreshed.

08:41SPEAKER- Although it's a very specific and unique brand

08:45SPEAKERof grogginess that comes after a nap, at least for me.

08:47SPEAKERI don't know about you, it feels very different

08:48SPEAKERthan waking up in the morning.

08:49SPEAKERIt's not bad, but it's like, I mean, you're still rested.

08:52SPEAKER- I don't, so there's a couple of windows

08:55SPEAKERthat I wake up and won't be groggy at all.

08:56SPEAKER20 minutes is one of them.

08:58SPEAKERIf I do, the trick is sometimes it takes me

09:00SPEAKERa little bit to fall asleep.

09:02SPEAKERSo what I usually do is set my watch to wake me up

09:05SPEAKERat a specific time that's usually like 10 minutes longer,

09:08SPEAKERlike 30 minutes in the future.

09:10SPEAKERAnd it does the gentle wake up enough that like,

09:13SPEAKERit'll bump me a couple of times.

09:15SPEAKERAnd that's usually enough to kind of rouse me

09:17SPEAKERwithout jarring, you know what I mean?

09:20SPEAKER- Yeah, that sounds, I'm bad at napping,

09:23SPEAKERbut I might try your method.

09:24SPEAKERThat sounds rejuvenating if you can pull it off.

09:27SPEAKER- Honestly, it's a stupid thing to spend a lot of money on,

09:30SPEAKERbut the alarm wake ups for the watch

09:32SPEAKERare maybe the best thing because it's such a gentle rouse.

09:38SPEAKERLike, hey, do you not use the alarm on your watch?

09:41SPEAKER- Do you have to pay for the alarm?

09:42SPEAKER- No, no, no, you pay for the watch.

09:44SPEAKER- Oh, you just meant it was expensive to buy the watch.

09:46SPEAKERI thought they had an alarm store or something.

09:49SPEAKER- I mean, I'm sure there are a bazillion sleep apps

09:51SPEAKERthat are like, we're gonna track how deep your sleep is

09:53SPEAKERand wake you up at exactly the right time inside your window.

09:55SPEAKERBut no, like the bump, bump, bump, bump, bump on your wrist,

10:01SPEAKERthat tactile feel is so much easier on me

10:03SPEAKERthan something that's screaming on my desktop

10:05SPEAKERor on my nightstand, it makes a big difference.

10:09SPEAKERSo yeah, 20 minutes or two hours

10:10SPEAKERare basically my nap windows.

10:11SPEAKERIf I go longer, if I go in between those

10:14SPEAKERor longer than two hours, I'm boned.

10:16SPEAKER- That sounds right.

10:18SPEAKERIn my limited experience having success with naps.

10:21SPEAKERAnyway, the thing I was gonna say is

10:24SPEAKERyou shouldn't necessarily just get up

10:25SPEAKERand start your day after 30 minutes,

10:26SPEAKERbut I think the idea is essentially

10:29SPEAKERyour mind is gonna get on top of you.

10:31SPEAKERIf you continue laying there,

10:33SPEAKERthe better thing is to get up and do something mundane

10:35SPEAKERlike go sit and read a book for 20 minutes.

10:37SPEAKERLike that's actually been my strategy now

10:40SPEAKERas opposed to like, I've laid there for three hours,

10:43SPEAKERfour hours sometimes.

10:44SPEAKER- Oh yeah, no, I never lay there.

10:46SPEAKER- And like it makes you want to murder your brain.

10:52SPEAKERWhy do you hate me so much?

10:53SPEAKERBut I've started instead when it's like,

10:55SPEAKERall right, this is going badly.

10:56SPEAKERLike just grab the Kindle and read something dull.

10:59SPEAKERAnd then it's quite helpful.

11:01SPEAKER- So Gina is a little bit of a light sleeper.

11:03SPEAKERSo I generally don't lay in bed if I'm awake,

11:06SPEAKERbut I'll get up and like I'll put in the AirPods

11:09SPEAKERand sit in front of the TV and watch a Star Trek

11:11SPEAKERor read a book in the living room or something like that.

11:13SPEAKERIt works well.

11:14SPEAKER- Yes, indeed.

11:15SPEAKERSleep tips from the experts.

11:17SPEAKER- Yeah, is sleepologist a real thing

11:20SPEAKERor does it have any other, okay, I was gonna say.

11:23SPEAKERBrad, what months?

11:24SPEAKER- Wait, hang on, is somnology a thing?

11:27SPEAKERI just popped into my head.

11:28SPEAKERIs that a somnology?

11:33SPEAKERIs the scientific study of sleep?

11:34SPEAKER- There you go.

11:35SPEAKER- All right.

11:36SPEAKER- Have you ever had a sleep study done?

11:37SPEAKER- Yes.

11:38SPEAKER- Really?

11:39SPEAKER- Yes.

11:39SPEAKER- Was it useful?

11:40SPEAKER- To not have sleep apnea.

11:41SPEAKER- Oh, that's good.

11:42SPEAKER- I thought I did.

11:43SPEAKERI went in fully expecting that I did and I did not.

11:45SPEAKER- That's good.

11:46SPEAKER- Well, yes, yes, it is definitely good to not have that.

11:48SPEAKERAlthough when you've got weird fatigue issues

11:50SPEAKERand you think that's gonna be the explanation

11:52SPEAKERand then it's not, then you're back to square one.

11:54SPEAKER- Yeah.

11:54SPEAKER- Anyway, all right.

11:55SPEAKER- But it's time for the questions and answers.

11:57SPEAKER- Yes.

11:58SPEAKER- We're turning Qs into As, we're turning emails into...

12:02SPEAKER- As also.

12:03SPEAKER- As also, yeah.

12:04SPEAKER- Yes, yes.

12:04SPEAKERApplying our scientific formula.

12:06SPEAKER- And if you would like to send a question into us,

12:08SPEAKERyou can do it at techpod@content.town

12:12SPEAKERor alternately, if you'd rather,

12:14SPEAKERyou can send us an email to, sorry,

12:17SPEAKERpost a Q in the Q&A, Q's Seeking As channel on the Discord.

12:21SPEAKER- Yes.

12:22SPEAKER- You'll post it, it'll just disappear into the void

12:24SPEAKERand then we'll see it at the end of the month and be like,

12:26SPEAKERhey, this is a good question

12:28SPEAKERor maybe we aren't gonna answer this one.

12:29SPEAKERWe answer most of them, I would say.

12:31SPEAKER- A lot of them.

12:32SPEAKER- Yeah.

12:33SPEAKER- There's a lot these days.

12:34SPEAKER- We make a valiant effort.

12:35SPEAKER- But you wanna start with an email?

12:37SPEAKER- Sure, I might actually do both of these emails.

12:40SPEAKER- I thought they were both pretty good.

12:41SPEAKER- Yes, Joe from New York writes in,

12:44SPEAKERdo you guys back up all of your files

12:45SPEAKERor just the important ones?

12:47SPEAKERIs there any kind of criteria for deciding what you back up

12:49SPEAKERand what can be lost of time when a drive inevitably fails?

12:52SPEAKERFor example, I don't back up my Plex library

12:55SPEAKERbecause blue rays don't hold any sentimental value

12:58SPEAKERand all those movies can be ripped

12:59SPEAKERfrom their discs again anyway.

13:01SPEAKERSecond related question, Brad,

13:02SPEAKERhow big is your downloads folder right now

13:04SPEAKERand do you back it up?

13:06SPEAKER- I like the PS2.

13:07SPEAKER- Yeah, let's take the first question first.

13:11SPEAKER- I back up my user folder

13:13SPEAKERand then I occasionally image the C drive.

13:17SPEAKER- I think that's right, I think.

13:19SPEAKER- I mean, on the new PC,

13:24SPEAKERI have a C drive that has like the stuff

13:26SPEAKERthat's like the daily use stuff.

13:28SPEAKERSo it's like Unreal editor and Fortnite

13:33SPEAKERand the stuff I play all the time,

13:36SPEAKERstuff I use all the time.

13:38SPEAKEROn the D drive now, I have it all broken down into folders.

13:41SPEAKERSo there's like a games folder that has the stores

13:44SPEAKERfor the folders for Epic and Battle.net and Steam

13:47SPEAKERand all the other stuff that you have on your computer now.

13:49SPEAKERAnd then I also have like projects folders

13:51SPEAKERthat are video or OBS or photos, image edits,

13:56SPEAKERstuff like that and I back up all that stuff too.

13:59SPEAKERI do not back up my downloads folder though.

14:01SPEAKER- Okay, that's the right call.

14:04SPEAKERIt's hard for me to answer this question

14:06SPEAKER'cause everything I can't afford to lose

14:08SPEAKERgoes right on the NAS,

14:09SPEAKERwhich has multiple levels of redundancy built in already.

14:12SPEAKER- Ah, there you go.

14:12SPEAKER- So that or to put it another way,

14:15SPEAKERI kind of have a policy now of not keeping anything

14:17SPEAKERon the PC that I can't afford to lose

14:19SPEAKERwith the exception of the home folder,

14:20SPEAKERwhich has tons of settings and all those portable apps

14:24SPEAKERand stuff like that.

14:25SPEAKERI do need to start backing that up in some way.

14:27SPEAKER- See, I keep the,

14:31SPEAKERI like to keep stuff that's important in both places

14:34SPEAKER'cause I back up to the NAS.

14:36SPEAKERSo that means I have one on the PC and one on the NAS.

14:39SPEAKER- Sure. - Which helps.

14:39SPEAKER- Yeah. - Yeah.

14:41SPEAKER- Wow. - Whoa, go on, go on.

14:44SPEAKER- My downloads folders needs to be cleaned out.

14:46SPEAKER- Wait, is this on the new machine?

14:48SPEAKERWhere'd you start it fresh?

14:49SPEAKER- I mean, in December.

14:50SPEAKER- Less than a year ago?

14:52SPEAKERLet's compare. - Let's compare.

14:54SPEAKERYou know, I don't, you're gonna win this.

14:55SPEAKER- Let's compare.

14:56SPEAKER- It's gonna be embarrassing.

14:57SPEAKER- The thing I was gonna say is you're gonna be shocked

15:00SPEAKERat how small my downloads folder is

15:01SPEAKERbecause I started fresh on this new machine

15:04SPEAKERand both desktop and downloads are sparse

15:07SPEAKERbecause I've been making a point

15:08SPEAKERof not letting it get away from me again.

15:11SPEAKER- My desktop is only big because I keep some stuff for work

15:15SPEAKERthat's like some substantial files in there.

15:17SPEAKER- That's fair, that's fair.

15:18SPEAKERMy downloads folder is currently 18 items, 2.3 gig.

15:24SPEAKERMy downloads folder is 588, oh, sorry,

15:28SPEAKER7,044 files in 427 folders.

15:31SPEAKERIt's 227 gigabytes.

15:33SPEAKER- Okay, okay.

15:35SPEAKER- I'm gonna clear that out sometime soon.

15:38SPEAKER- Boy, how the tables have turned.

15:40SPEAKER- Wow, is there one huge file somewhere?

15:44SPEAKERLet's see.

15:46SPEAKER- To be fair, last time we talked about this,

15:49SPEAKERI had just happened to unzip a couple of files

15:52SPEAKERthat have, like one of them was the shader pack

15:55SPEAKERfrom libretro or retroarch, which has thousands of files.

16:01SPEAKERThere were a couple of things that was like,

16:02SPEAKERhere's a thing with a bunch of source code

16:04SPEAKERthat is just a bajillion files.

16:06SPEAKER- Okay, so in my defense,

16:08SPEAKERone of those files is a 100 gigabyte video file

16:12SPEAKERthat's a 48 hour download from Twitch of my bird cam

16:16SPEAKERfrom a few months ago 'cause I wanted to get the moment

16:19SPEAKERthat the bird fell out of the nest out of it

16:21SPEAKERand I had to download the whole thing in order to get that.

16:24SPEAKERSo yeah, I don't feel quite as bad.

16:28SPEAKER- Acceptable, acceptable.

16:29SPEAKERAll right, I'll take this other email real quick

16:32SPEAKERfrom Franceso.

16:34SPEAKERI remember in an episode about tools and widgets y'all use,

16:37SPEAKERBrad mentioned software he uses to airplay audio

16:39SPEAKERfrom his phone to his Windows desktop.

16:41SPEAKERWhat was that?

16:42SPEAKERWould be awesome.

16:43SPEAKERSo I can play overcast over my headphones

16:45SPEAKERas I play video games.

16:47SPEAKERThat is, I had to look it up

16:48SPEAKER'cause I haven't used it in forever, Shareport 4W.

16:53SPEAKER- Oh.

16:54SPEAKER- S-H-A-I-R, not S-H-A-R-E.

16:57SPEAKER- Like Sha-air?

16:58SPEAKER- Sha-air-ports.

17:01SPEAKERShareport sync is a Linux thing that it does that.

17:04SPEAKERSomebody just basically took that

17:06SPEAKERand bolted a GUI on it for Windows.

17:09SPEAKER- Oh, there you go.

17:10SPEAKER- Which I thought was abandoned, it still works,

17:12SPEAKERbut I thought it had been abandoned, but I looked

17:13SPEAKERand it just got a bug fix update last December.

17:16SPEAKER- Nice.

17:17SPEAKER- So there's that.

17:18SPEAKERIt's a little janky, it's quite bare bones,

17:19SPEAKERbut it will work if you just want to airplay

17:22SPEAKERfrom an iOS device to your Windows machine,

17:25SPEAKERit works just fine for that.

17:26SPEAKERAlso, just in case you might be asking about

17:28SPEAKERsomething else, OwnTone is the music server

17:30SPEAKERI run on my NAS that also does airplay

17:33SPEAKERto whatever target you want.

17:36SPEAKERSo yeah.

17:36SPEAKER- Cool.

17:37SPEAKER- Here we go.

17:38SPEAKER- Can we just cast our question?

17:39SPEAKER- Yes.

17:40SPEAKER- I have some corrections on coffee stuff

17:41SPEAKERfrom last week too.

17:41SPEAKER- Oh, okay.

17:42SPEAKERYes, I saw you highlighting this question.

17:44SPEAKERI've learned, I think I've finally learned to read your-

17:47SPEAKER- Sometimes highlighting means I'm idly moving my mouse

17:51SPEAKERand sometimes it means I want to talk about something.

17:53SPEAKER- You know that concept of your love language?

17:56SPEAKER- Yes.

17:57SPEAKER- I think I've learned to read your Google Docs language.

17:59SPEAKER- I talked about this on Daily Tech News Show

18:03SPEAKERis they use a Excel spreadsheet to do the run for the show,

18:08SPEAKERlike down to like timings for segments and stuff.

18:11SPEAKERAnd one of them is a highlighter too.

18:16SPEAKERAnd also I was idly highlighting shit

18:18SPEAKERin the spreadsheet last time I was on.

18:20SPEAKERI was like, oh, right.

18:21SPEAKERI'm making everybody else's spreadsheet light up like crazy.

18:24SPEAKERI should stop this.

18:25SPEAKER- Compulsive highlighting, I understand.

18:27SPEAKERAs a compulsive desktop refresher, I know what you mean.

18:31SPEAKER- So let's see, corrections.

18:34SPEAKEROnly cheap espresso machines use steam to build pressure

18:38SPEAKERin the boiler to push the water through the espresso puck.

18:42SPEAKERNice ones use a pump to increase their pressure

18:44SPEAKERor a lever in some cases.

18:46SPEAKERDid you hear from owners of nice ones?

18:48SPEAKER- No, no, no, people were,

18:51SPEAKERI was scared doing that coffee episode

18:53SPEAKER'cause it's a thing that I know a fair amount about,

18:54SPEAKERbut we definitely have a lot of experts in our audience

18:57SPEAKERas people like, I'm kind of curious

19:01SPEAKERif that's a side effect of covering coffee stuff

19:04SPEAKERit tested years ago, but yeah, people were very kind.

19:09SPEAKERAnd then I think that was the big one actually.

19:13SPEAKER- Yeah, thank you for doing all the heavy lifting

19:15SPEAKERon those notes.

19:16SPEAKERI think my contributions were entirely

19:18SPEAKERin the form of questions.

19:19SPEAKER- That's fine.

19:21SPEAKEROh, the other thing is the green beans do get bad over time,

19:24SPEAKERbut if they're stored properly, they're fine.

19:26SPEAKERA lot of people also said to your question about freezing

19:29SPEAKERthat as long as you're not taking the beans

19:30SPEAKERin and out of the freezer, that's fine.

19:33SPEAKERSo if you like use this freezer for deep storage,

19:35SPEAKERyou bag them up, you seal them, you suck all the air out,

19:37SPEAKERyou chuck them in the freezer.

19:38SPEAKERAnd then when you're ready to take out,

19:40SPEAKERwhen you're ready to use the entire bag, you take them out.

19:43SPEAKER- I see.

19:43SPEAKER- But you only condense on them once.

19:45SPEAKER- So I started to ask, so there's no cheating of,

19:48SPEAKERI'm only gonna give you that for 30 seconds

19:49SPEAKERand pour some out and stick it back in.

19:50SPEAKERThat's probably still too long.

19:51SPEAKER- Don't do that.

19:52SPEAKER- All right.

19:53SPEAKER- But you could do is individually,

19:56SPEAKERlike you could bag your week's worth in the freezer

20:00SPEAKERwhen you put them in.

20:01SPEAKER- We have a vacuum sealer.

20:04SPEAKER- Yeah, that would do it.

20:04SPEAKER- So if I bought like a five pound bag of beans,

20:06SPEAKERI could parcel them out like the size

20:08SPEAKERof our airtight container.

20:11SPEAKER- Canister.

20:12SPEAKER- And just make a bunch of them smaller bags

20:13SPEAKERand keep them interesting, okay.

20:15SPEAKER- Yeah.

20:16SPEAKER- Okay, good to know.

20:17SPEAKERQuestion from Casper from the Discord.

20:20SPEAKERI always wish you had a cheapest possible option

20:22SPEAKERthat gives, this is in quotes.

20:24SPEAKERI always wish you had a quote,

20:25SPEAKER"Cheapest possible option that gives the best results,"

20:28SPEAKERunquote, section on your shows.

20:30SPEAKERSince so much of the tech that you talk about

20:31SPEAKERis really high end for rich people

20:33SPEAKERor those who care so deeply about one particular product

20:35SPEAKERor process that they are willing to invest heavily.

20:39SPEAKER- So this is a really good, this is good feedback

20:41SPEAKERand we should do this more often.

20:43SPEAKERLike I wanted to put that in

20:44SPEAKER'cause I wanna make sure we do this on the reg.

20:46SPEAKERFor the coffee thing, I mean, you can do pour overs

20:51SPEAKERwithout pour over kettles and all that.

20:52SPEAKERI find the results are kind of all over the place.

20:56SPEAKERThe AeroPress is the cheapest thing I think you can buy

21:00SPEAKERthat makes a fucking awesome cup of coffee

21:02SPEAKERwith very little effort and very little other gear.

21:04SPEAKERSo all you need is hot water and ground coffee

21:07SPEAKERand the AeroPress and paper filters

21:09SPEAKERand you will get dope coffee out of that

21:12SPEAKERusing the inverted method is my preference.

21:14SPEAKER- Yeah, I will say here, not so much for stuff like coffee

21:18SPEAKER'cause I just don't do as much research,

21:19SPEAKERbut for basically consumer electronics and PC stuff,

21:23SPEAKERyou can kind of assume whatever I am recommending

21:26SPEAKERthat I have bought is the best bang for the buck,

21:30SPEAKERcheap option I could possibly find

21:32SPEAKERbecause that is my lifelong obsession

21:35SPEAKERis to find the thing that is too good

21:37SPEAKERfor how much it costs.

21:39SPEAKERIt's a fun category, like that whole,

21:43SPEAKERthey accidentally made something that was too good.

21:44SPEAKER- Dude, I fucking live for that find.

21:47SPEAKERLike I'd never have bought like the top of the line TV

21:50SPEAKERor the speakers or whatever, it's always...

21:52SPEAKER- Your plasma was a top of the line TV when you bought that.

21:55SPEAKER- No, the ST50 was the low to mid range.

21:58SPEAKERI think it was the VT50 was the high end that year.

22:03SPEAKERLet me, there's another question that this segues into.

22:06SPEAKER- I have it highlighted further down.

22:08SPEAKER- Yes, that's exactly the one.

22:09SPEAKER'Cause I was about to describe how I come to those finds

22:12SPEAKERand the moon room has a question here

22:15SPEAKERpertaining to that exact thing.

22:17SPEAKERI'm finding it increasingly hard to find products online

22:20SPEAKERwithout already knowing the exact category or keyword

22:22SPEAKERthat describes what I need.

22:24SPEAKERThere are so many sponsored and algorithmic results

22:27SPEAKERcluttering up storefronts that it feels impossible to say,

22:30SPEAKERfind an external NVME enclosure that will fit a drive

22:33SPEAKERwith a factory installed heat sink.

22:35SPEAKERI just had to read the product reviews of 40 or so listings

22:39SPEAKERto see if anyone mentioned the ability to do so.

22:42SPEAKERCan I do anything to fix this?

22:44SPEAKEROr does it just keep getting worse until I'm forced

22:46SPEAKERto ask my friends for recommendations on everything?

22:48SPEAKERI think there are two topics here.

22:50SPEAKERThere's the thing we were just seguing from,

22:52SPEAKERand then there's the broader topic of

22:55SPEAKERthe ongoing destruction of the value of internet content

23:00SPEAKERand search results.

23:00SPEAKERBut the thing I was gonna say is it is a whole lot of

23:04SPEAKERtrawling forums and user reviews and stuff like that

23:06SPEAKERto drill down to like, what's the thing?

23:09SPEAKERLike, what's the, you know what I mean?

23:11SPEAKER- I don't trust user reviews at this point.

23:14SPEAKER- Yeah, like Amazon user reviews or something like that.

23:17SPEAKERI agree.

23:18SPEAKERLike, I guess what I meant is like for AV stuff,

23:21SPEAKERyou might spend a lot of time on AVS forum

23:24SPEAKERor like serve the home.

23:28SPEAKERI was thinking about replacing my edge router finally,

23:30SPEAKERwhich I don't think I'm actually gonna do yet.

23:31SPEAKERBut like, there are all those little x86 boxes available

23:35SPEAKERon AliExpress these days that are like quite good,

23:38SPEAKERbut not, some of them are not as good, blah, blah, blah.

23:40SPEAKERYou know, there are variations.

23:42SPEAKERAnyway, it's like, there's a 30 page thread on there

23:45SPEAKERthat I need to go through if I'm actually gonna get one

23:46SPEAKERof those things.

23:47SPEAKER'Cause like figuring out which one is the good one,

23:49SPEAKERthat's also not the overly expensive one.

23:52SPEAKERIt takes, it does take a lot of obsessive research.

23:55SPEAKER- Well, so the using forums and Reddits and stuff like that

23:59SPEAKERis generally pretty useful, I find.

24:01SPEAKER- Yeah, like focused communities is what I'm saying.

24:03SPEAKERLike Amazon reviews or retailer reviews.

24:06SPEAKERWell, you know, it's like, although like on B&H,

24:08SPEAKERI try to buy more stuff from B&H these days

24:10SPEAKER'cause they seem more respectable and upstanding.

24:14SPEAKERLike I think they're-

24:14SPEAKER- B&H has its own unique set of problems, but yeah.

24:17SPEAKER- Okay, well, I guess there's no good retailer.

24:20SPEAKER- Yeah, the challenge is it's really inexpensive

24:27SPEAKERto game user reviews in places where there aren't

24:31SPEAKERexisting communities, right?

24:32SPEAKERSo like, hey, honestly asking somebody on the Discord,

24:37SPEAKERwhat's a good microphone and you'll get five people

24:40SPEAKERthat respond that have a wide variety of experience

24:43SPEAKERand price ranges and it's hard to separate those out

24:46SPEAKEReven in a place where it's a relatively small community

24:49SPEAKERand we know everyone, right?

24:51SPEAKERLike you've talked to these people in some cases for years.

24:55SPEAKERWhen you get into the user reviews scheme

24:57SPEAKERand you look at how inexpensive it is

24:59SPEAKERto buy Amazon reviews of things

25:01SPEAKERand then also you buy something.

25:03SPEAKERLike one of the things that I've been getting

25:05SPEAKERfrom Amazon lately is I'll get something

25:06SPEAKERand it'll come with a, hey, if you leave a review

25:09SPEAKERand send a link to the review to this QR code,

25:13SPEAKERthen we'll give you 10 bucks off on a $10 item.

25:16SPEAKERAnd that to me is a sign that I should never,

25:18SPEAKERever buy anything from that vendor again.

25:20SPEAKER- Yep, who was it that got deemed for doing that

25:22SPEAKERin the last couple of years?

25:24SPEAKERLike they-

25:26SPEAKER- Well, I'm sure a lot of people,

25:28SPEAKERspecifically I'm in the small consumer electronic space.

25:31SPEAKERI keep wanting to say it was Anker,

25:32SPEAKERbut that can't be right.

25:33SPEAKER- It was one of the Anker likes, I think.

25:35SPEAKER- It was somebody, God, oh, it's on the tip of my tongue.

25:38SPEAKER- I can't remember.

25:39SPEAKERIt's somebody who makes little power supplies.

25:40SPEAKER- I think they got banned from selling on Amazon

25:43SPEAKERif I'm not mistaken.

25:44SPEAKER- I mean, look, man, there are also weird categories

25:50SPEAKERof things that you should just never buy.

25:51SPEAKERLike don't ever buy shoes on Amazon

25:53SPEAKERif you're buying name brand shoes,

25:55SPEAKERbecause they're almost certainly,

25:56SPEAKERlike the odds of you getting a real shoe from Amazon

25:59SPEAKERis so low.

26:00SPEAKERAnd also the fact that you can buy from a vendor

26:05SPEAKERand if it's the same ASIN, you buy it

26:09SPEAKERand it says it's from Amazon

26:10SPEAKERand they have the same ASIN in a warehouse closer to you

26:13SPEAKERfrom a third-party vendor,

26:14SPEAKERthey'll just ship you the third-party vendor one.

26:19SPEAKERI bought multiple pairs of fake Stan Smiths

26:21SPEAKERover the years from Amazon.

26:23SPEAKERIt's a bog standard tennis shoe.

26:24SPEAKERIt shouldn't be complicated.

26:26SPEAKERThey shouldn't have a problem with that

26:27SPEAKERand it continues to be an issue.

26:29SPEAKER- The intermingling of first and third-party inventories

26:32SPEAKERand also the rise of return scams and stuff like that

26:36SPEAKERhad started I feel like five or six years ago.

26:39SPEAKERAnd yeah, it's like I basically don't trust anything

26:43SPEAKERthat seems counterfeitable from Amazon.

26:45SPEAKERThat's why I buy most stuff from B&H if I can hold it.

26:48SPEAKER- I mean, say what you will about B&H.

26:49SPEAKERThey don't sell fake shit generally.

26:51SPEAKER- Right.

26:52SPEAKERSo then the other thing is I rely on trusted sites.

26:55SPEAKERSo like your wire cutters for home goods and stuff like that.

27:02SPEAKERLike we bought a comforter that Wirecutter recommended.

27:04SPEAKERIt's been fantastic.

27:07SPEAKERWe, like they're better in some categories than others.

27:10SPEAKERI think Lauren Dragon who does their headphone stuff

27:13SPEAKERis one of the like best, most unwoo,

27:17SPEAKERunaudio file woo persons working in the industry.

27:22SPEAKERWhen I ask her questions about stuff on Twitter

27:25SPEAKERor like when I was looking for a low latency pair

27:27SPEAKERof wireless headphones to use

27:30SPEAKERso I could directly monitor my microphone.

27:33SPEAKERShe was like, "Well, why would you want to do that?"

27:35SPEAKERAnd I gave her a reason.

27:36SPEAKERShe's like, "Oh, that's really interesting.

27:37SPEAKERI'll start testing for that

27:38SPEAKER'cause I've never considered

27:39SPEAKERthat that was the thing people wanted before."

27:42SPEAKERIt's like that's useful, but then there's some categories

27:47SPEAKERthat are just not great in.

27:48SPEAKERLike I bought some ice cube trays that they recommended

27:49SPEAKERand they're frankly shit.

27:50SPEAKERSo like Linus Tech Tips is pretty good

27:55SPEAKERfor computer hardware stuff.

27:56SPEAKERPC World, our friends over there, Gordon and Adam

27:59SPEAKERand the folks at Grad

28:00SPEAKERand all those folks continue to do really good work.

28:04SPEAKERIt's hard because like a lot of the sites

28:06SPEAKERthat used to be good, like Anand and Tom's Hardware

28:09SPEAKERand those kinds of places ended up getting bought

28:11SPEAKERby somebody and then the reviews got worse and worse

28:14SPEAKERas the people who used to make the content good left.

28:16SPEAKERSo you kind of always have to pay attention

28:18SPEAKERand there's unfortunately no easy answer, I don't think.

28:21SPEAKER- Yes.

28:23SPEAKERI feel like, I mean, algorithmic robot produced content

28:27SPEAKERand search results getting dominated by the same

28:32SPEAKERhas been a problem that's been building for a while,

28:34SPEAKERbut I feel like we are reaching a critical mass,

28:35SPEAKERespecially as like the ML driven stuff

28:39SPEAKERis just gonna make it easier and easier

28:40SPEAKERto crank out garbage that you can't get past.

28:42SPEAKERLike I'm finally writing some Python.

28:46SPEAKERI'm actually like finally pretty deep

28:48SPEAKERinto writing some real ass Python, which has been great.

28:51SPEAKERBut the number of times I go and try to Google

28:54SPEAKERlike how to do a specific thing and get an entire page

28:58SPEAKERof results that are clearly written by robots

29:00SPEAKERthat are like only somewhat intelligible.

29:03SPEAKER- Yeah, and having the robots are gonna be writing

29:05SPEAKERactually stuff that it's hard to distinguish

29:08SPEAKERfrom something a person wrote.

29:09SPEAKER- Yeah, like I've had to and this is more

29:11SPEAKERhow the internet used to be, I guess.

29:12SPEAKERI've had to like to identify actual sites

29:15SPEAKERthat are trustworthy with good content on them

29:17SPEAKERand just start going straight to those

29:18SPEAKERinstead of like just relying on whatever's

29:20SPEAKERat the top of Google now, which like, I don't know,

29:23SPEAKERyou tell me maybe that's not actually the worst thing

29:25SPEAKERto start building relationships

29:27SPEAKERwith specific producers of things again.

29:30SPEAKER- I mean, I think a lot of the problem is that

29:32SPEAKERif you think about how you use the internet in like 2005,

29:35SPEAKERwhere you had a browser tool,

29:37SPEAKERlike I turned my browser toolbar back on.

29:38SPEAKERSo I have six sites that I visit every day.

29:40SPEAKER- Yes, I am using bookmarks extensively again.

29:43SPEAKERCan you believe that?

29:45SPEAKER- But yeah, it's weird.

29:48SPEAKERLike I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

29:49SPEAKERI think it's actually really good for the brands,

29:52SPEAKERfor the sites that you connect with.

29:55SPEAKERYou know, assuming it's not all Joe Rogan and nonsense,

29:58SPEAKERlike building a relationship with a site

30:00SPEAKERthat is giving you something that you need

30:02SPEAKERand want and enjoy, that's how the internet should be.

30:06SPEAKERThat's how the internet was best.

30:07SPEAKER- Yeah, like I basically have mostly landed

30:09SPEAKERon using real Python for stuff

30:11SPEAKER'cause their articles are incredibly well done.

30:14SPEAKERAnd like they literally have bylines and photos

30:18SPEAKERof the authors at the bottom of each article.

30:19SPEAKERAnd I'm always like, man,

30:21SPEAKERthey've put a lot of work into this.

30:22SPEAKERLike I don't really-- - That's easy to fake though.

30:23SPEAKERYou can generate a picture of a person

30:26SPEAKERwith 15, 16 fingers, no problem.

30:28SPEAKER- For one thing, a lot of these

30:29SPEAKERare like five, six year old articles.

30:31SPEAKERSo it was probably less likely to have happened then.

30:35SPEAKERAlso huge digression.

30:38SPEAKERBoy, am I really getting a crash course

30:40SPEAKERin how much changes and maybe different languages

30:43SPEAKERare different about this,

30:44SPEAKERbut how much changes in a language

30:45SPEAKERfrom one release to the next.

30:47SPEAKER- Well, Python is also notorious

30:48SPEAKER'cause they don't do backwards compatibility.

30:50SPEAKERSo like you wanna run a Python 3.7 app

30:53SPEAKERand a Python 3.10 app,

30:54SPEAKERyou gotta have two different Pythons on your computer.

30:56SPEAKER- It's crazy how many, like every,

30:58SPEAKERalmost every resource about dictionaries

31:00SPEAKERand Python out there says they are explicitly unordered.

31:05SPEAKER- And then guess what?

31:05SPEAKER- Composite data types, but guess what?

31:07SPEAKERAs of 3.7, now they are in fact ordered.

31:10SPEAKER- Yeah.

31:11SPEAKER- It's crazy.

31:13SPEAKER- It's funny when we talked to like OBS about plugins,

31:17SPEAKERwhich are all written in Python,

31:18SPEAKERor they can be written in Python.

31:20SPEAKERI think they can also be written in Lua.

31:22SPEAKERLike it's fascinating 'cause like when they changed,

31:26SPEAKERwhen they changed Python versions a few years ago,

31:31SPEAKEReverything had to switch to a new version of Python.

31:33SPEAKERLike all the scripts have to be rewritten

31:35SPEAKERin newer versions of Python.

31:36SPEAKERIt caused a significant problem

31:38SPEAKERfor people who are using a lot of scripts.

31:39SPEAKERAnyway.

31:40SPEAKER- It is wild how much varies and yes.

31:43SPEAKERAnyway, I'm enjoying that a lot.

31:49SPEAKEROkay, you're highlighting this one.

31:50SPEAKER- Oh, I was just highly highlighting, but you can do it.

31:52SPEAKER- Is this Bunny Crimes?

31:53SPEAKER- I think this is Bunny Crimes.

31:54SPEAKER- Okay.

31:55SPEAKER- Or Bunny Fiend probably.

31:56SPEAKER- Or Bunny Fiend.

31:57SPEAKERIt is a pound sign, a bunny emoji and a person emoji.

32:00SPEAKER- It's an Octothorpe thread.

32:02SPEAKER- Sure, okay, fine, fine.

32:05SPEAKERI'm under no obligation to color match the guest bathroom

32:08SPEAKERat my parents' house when installing a bidet, right?

32:12SPEAKER- I think, okay, so having,

32:14SPEAKERI brought a bidet with us to the desert.

32:17SPEAKER- Like a portable one?

32:19SPEAKER- Like a slip-on, like the cold water spray

32:22SPEAKERfrom the tap one.

32:24SPEAKER- Slip-on, slip-on as it installs to the-

32:27SPEAKER- It installs under between the seat and the bowl, yeah.

32:30SPEAKER- 'Cause I asked because I was googling

32:32SPEAKERtravel ones yesterday.

32:34SPEAKER- So travel ones suck.

32:35SPEAKER- Which we tried that last year and it was a disaster.

32:37SPEAKER- They're basically just loaves.

32:38SPEAKERThey're like squeeze bottles, basically.

32:40SPEAKER- Yeah, it's awkward and doesn't work even in like,

32:44SPEAKERyeah, depending on this-

32:45SPEAKER- Yikes.

32:46SPEAKER- Like if it's a small bowl toilet, it's horrifying.

32:49SPEAKEREven if it's an elongated bowl, it doesn't work great.

32:51SPEAKER- Wow, that's, I mean, it's a very easy install.

32:53SPEAKERWe talk about it on the next Planter Ramblecast this week.

32:56SPEAKERLike it is not hard to install one of the ones

32:58SPEAKERyou're talking about, but still doing the install

33:00SPEAKERfor a month, I mean, that's fairly impressive.

33:03SPEAKERDid you buy it soon or did you take your-

33:05SPEAKER- So we had, when we bought the first one in the pandemic,

33:10SPEAKERwe bought a right-hand model and our toilet is too close

33:14SPEAKERto the vanity for the right-hand one to fit.

33:18SPEAKERSo, and when I told Amazon we didn't want it,

33:20SPEAKERthey were like, don't bother sending it back

33:21SPEAKER'cause it was the middle of the pandemic.

33:23SPEAKERSo we had a spare and I just chucked it in the car.

33:27SPEAKERIt was hard to install 'cause the bolts

33:28SPEAKERon the bottom of the toilet aren't easily accessible.

33:30SPEAKERIt's a fancy toilet with like the hidden back

33:34SPEAKERand stick-on bolts and a bunch of nonsense.

33:38SPEAKERI think if you're putting it in your parents' house,

33:40SPEAKERyou have to color match bunny fin.

33:43SPEAKERI think- - Yeah, yeah.

33:45SPEAKERWell, it might be tough though.

33:48SPEAKERI mean, I don't see a lot of like color options out there.

33:50SPEAKERThey're mostly white.

33:52SPEAKER- I mean- - Like are we talking,

33:54SPEAKERare we talking like a mint green or a pink or like-

33:57SPEAKER- Black. - Also,

33:58SPEAKERwhat are we talking about matching,

33:59SPEAKERthe wallpaper or the porcelain?

34:00SPEAKER- I think you have to match the porcelain,

34:02SPEAKERat least the seat, at least the lid.

34:04SPEAKER- Okay, maybe it's the lid or the, yeah,

34:07SPEAKERthe seat could be a lot of things.

34:09SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah, I don't know.

34:11SPEAKERI feel like, I mean, I feel like you,

34:13SPEAKERI feel like there should be a conversation

34:16SPEAKERwith your parents about what you're doing to their house.

34:20SPEAKERI would want that if I had an adult child

34:23SPEAKERthat was helping me by putting stuff in the guest bathroom.

34:28SPEAKERMy question is, do I just leave this here now?

34:31SPEAKEROr do I take it off when I go?

34:35SPEAKER- Do you expect to, this is your,

34:37SPEAKERI was just thinking about it the other day.

34:38SPEAKERThis is what, your third year there?

34:39SPEAKER- This is our third time coming here.

34:41SPEAKER- Do you anticipate a fourth?

34:42SPEAKER- I think we might be done after this one.

34:44SPEAKER- Yeah, okay. - I mean, it's,

34:49SPEAKERit's nice, it's nice to get away

34:51SPEAKERand be in a different place for a month.

34:54SPEAKERThe price is very good for the amount of time we spend here.

34:57SPEAKERLike we don't, it's not particularly expensive.

35:01SPEAKERI don't, I don't know that we'll come back again.

35:05SPEAKERIt's really fucking hot.

35:07SPEAKERAnd as, like the heat, like it wouldn't have been bad,

35:10SPEAKERbut with the heat dome on top of the already hot desert,

35:15SPEAKERit was like, this year was the first year I've been like,

35:19SPEAKERman, if the power goes out, we have a actual problem.

35:23SPEAKERYeah. - Yeah, geez.

35:24SPEAKERYou think about that?

35:25SPEAKERIs it very pronouncedly higher than last year?

35:29SPEAKERHave you like, I mean, or more to the point

35:31SPEAKERthat you like track it?

35:32SPEAKERDo you remember what it was last year versus now?

35:33SPEAKER- Yeah, so, well, I mean,

35:35SPEAKERtypically like 120 day is pretty high.

35:39SPEAKERAnd when I say 120 day, I mean like when you get in the car

35:42SPEAKERand the car's been in the shade and like you get out

35:44SPEAKERand drive around and the car thermometer is immediately like,

35:46SPEAKERoh, it's 126 degrees.

35:48SPEAKERLike it was that hot.

35:49SPEAKERWe were seeing 126 degrees in the sun in the valley

35:52SPEAKERwhen we were charging on the way down.

35:55SPEAKERThe thermometer on the car hit 135 at one point

35:58SPEAKERthe other day when it was parked in the shade.

36:00SPEAKER- Boy. - So like it's a lot.

36:03SPEAKER- That's a lot.

36:04SPEAKERThat is a lot. - Yeah.

36:06SPEAKERIt's to the point that like, they're gonna cut off power

36:08SPEAKERon the coast before they cut it off here

36:09SPEAKER'cause people will die here.

36:11SPEAKER- Yeah. - Yeah.

36:12SPEAKER- Yeah, all right.

36:14SPEAKERMoving on. - Yeah.

36:16SPEAKER- Goblin Riley asks, who in theory would own the copyright

36:20SPEAKERto an X-ray?

36:22SPEAKER- And there's only one right answer to this.

36:25SPEAKER- Yeah, of course.

36:26SPEAKER- But probably it's a photographer.

36:28SPEAKER- I literally was going to say like jokingly,

36:31SPEAKERlike, well, usually a photographer,

36:33SPEAKERbut I didn't really think actually.

36:34SPEAKER- I don't actually know.

36:36SPEAKERMy guess is that when you,

36:38SPEAKERyeah, I'm curious about the answer to the question.

36:39SPEAKERIf somebody has the answer for this,

36:40SPEAKER'cause I'm sure somebody works in the space in the audience

36:43SPEAKERand I would love to know.

36:44SPEAKERI did a little bit of light Googling

36:45SPEAKERto see what the answer is.

36:48SPEAKERAnd it seems to vary wildly based on a whole host of things.

36:54SPEAKERIt should be the patient.

36:55SPEAKER- Yeah, totally.

36:56SPEAKER- But I bet it's the hospital and/or the,

36:59SPEAKERbecause the person who works at the X-ray center

37:03SPEAKERprobably is an instrument of the hospital

37:05SPEAKERin the eyes of copyright.

37:07SPEAKER- Yeah, that's effed up.

37:10SPEAKER- Yeah. - If that's the case.

37:12SPEAKERBut it feels like that should not be copyrightable.

37:14SPEAKERIt should just be a personal piece of your medical records.

37:20SPEAKERYes, exactly.

37:21SPEAKER- I mean, so the other side of it is it is protected

37:23SPEAKERby HIPAA, so it's not like they can monetize your X-ray.

37:26SPEAKER- Sure, sure.

37:26SPEAKER- Yeah, it is part of your record acts

37:28SPEAKERand you would have to approve release,

37:32SPEAKERwhich you generally do in a, anyway, it's, yeah.

37:35SPEAKER- Yeah, question from Scoot.

37:37SPEAKERWhat's your opinion on robot housework?

37:39SPEAKERWe've got robot vacuums, robot mops, and robot lawn,

37:42SPEAKERwait, really, they make robot lawn mowers now?

37:44SPEAKER- Yeah, they're like string trimmers

37:45SPEAKERwith robot wheels attached.

37:47SPEAKERThey drive around and just kind of cut the top of the grass

37:49SPEAKERevery few days.

37:50SPEAKER- That I would not trust.

37:52SPEAKER- Why not?

37:53SPEAKER- Because it's cutting something.

37:55SPEAKER- It's a string trimmer though.

37:56SPEAKER- I'd still.

37:57SPEAKER- You can run those on your hand, it just leaves a mark.

38:00SPEAKER- I mean, pets are around, small children.

38:03SPEAKER- Pets should learn to fear the machines

38:04SPEAKERjust like the children do.

38:05SPEAKER- Oh man, that's, okay, fine.

38:07SPEAKER- We've got robot vacuums, robot mops, and robot lawn mowers

38:10SPEAKERif you want to spend the money.

38:12SPEAKERIf they made a robot butler tomorrow

38:13SPEAKERthat was even half useful at doing more dexterous tasks

38:16SPEAKERlike cooking and folding laundry,

38:17SPEAKERI'd be all in, fuck chores.

38:20SPEAKERHow do you both feel about robot minions?

38:23SPEAKER- So at one point, the Roomba people

38:25SPEAKERmade a gutter cleaning robot

38:26SPEAKERthat you just put in one end of the gutters

38:28SPEAKERand it had like a plow trough on it,

38:31SPEAKERlike a squeegee that would fit around the edges,

38:35SPEAKERbut it would basically yeet the snow up,

38:37SPEAKERthe sludge from the bottom of your gutters

38:39SPEAKERup out onto your deck or ground around whatever.

38:42SPEAKERSo you'd have like a nice little strip

38:43SPEAKERof grimy, gross dirt that blasted out.

38:47SPEAKERThat seemed too far, like that's a twice a year job

38:49SPEAKERmost places, it seemed like a lot.

38:53SPEAKER- If I could get a laundry folding robot,

38:55SPEAKERI would pay almost any amount of money for that.

38:57SPEAKER- Yeah, I don't know why.

38:59SPEAKER- I don't mind doing the laundry,

39:00SPEAKERI see you folding the laundry.

39:02SPEAKER- Same, I don't know why I despise it.

39:04SPEAKERIt's the most tedious thing you can do

39:06SPEAKERaround the house to me.

39:07SPEAKER- Yeah, like if you catch me in the right mood,

39:09SPEAKERit's like nicely meditative and all that.

39:12SPEAKER- Yeah.

39:13SPEAKER- But most of the time I just like

39:13SPEAKERdon't want to fold underwear.

39:15SPEAKER- Yeah, like I think I've said this before,

39:16SPEAKERit's the same thing with the dishes.

39:18SPEAKERLike I don't mind, I almost enjoy loading the dishwasher.

39:22SPEAKERI hate emptying it, I think it's because loading it

39:25SPEAKERis like a bit of a spatial puzzle, it's a little Tetris-y.

39:28SPEAKER- So here's my, I'm the dishes person usually in our house.

39:35SPEAKERI love to load it so that it can be unloaded

39:37SPEAKERas fast as possible.

39:39SPEAKERWe've talked about this before.

39:40SPEAKERSo I put all the forks in one, all the same size forks

39:42SPEAKERin one thing in the dishes, in the silverware holder.

39:46SPEAKERI line up all the glasses that go in the same place

39:49SPEAKERon the same side, so I can just like grab five of them

39:51SPEAKERat a time, go, the plates I can pull out

39:53SPEAKERlike between my fingers and pick five or six up at a time

39:56SPEAKERand jam up in the cabinet.

39:59SPEAKERI can unload the dishwasher in like four minutes.

40:01SPEAKER- I am, that's pretty good.

40:03SPEAKER- Small kitchen though too.

40:04SPEAKER- That's pretty good.

40:05SPEAKERMy feeling is, I don't know, fewer robots is better.

40:10SPEAKERWe have a robot vacuum.

40:11SPEAKERThis is actually kind of getting back

40:12SPEAKERto that earlier question.

40:13SPEAKERWe got an Ecovacs DBOT some years ago.

40:16SPEAKER- Yeah, I love that DBOT.

40:17SPEAKER- Which at the time, at the time that was the bang

40:20SPEAKERfor the buck option, I just looked them up

40:22SPEAKERand they do sure enough have like 500 to $1,000 models now,

40:28SPEAKERbut at the time they were the scrappy,

40:29SPEAKERlike cheap alternative to iRobot and Roomba at the time.

40:37SPEAKER- Do you use it still?

40:38SPEAKERDoes it work?

40:39SPEAKER- Yeah, we just replaced the two of this, man,

40:41SPEAKERwe're dovetailing all over the place here.

40:43SPEAKERWe just had to replace the battery in it

40:44SPEAKERfor the first time a couple of weeks ago

40:46SPEAKERafter six years or something and finding a compatible battery

40:50SPEAKERthat also didn't look like shit

40:51SPEAKERbecause there were like 10% of the people

40:54SPEAKERon the user review saying like,

40:55SPEAKER"Oh, let's stop holding a charge after a month like that."

40:58SPEAKERAnd granted it hasn't even been a month yet, so we'll see.

41:01SPEAKER- That's better than the other fail case,

41:03SPEAKERwhich is white smoke poured out of the thing

41:05SPEAKERand filled my room, yeah.

41:06SPEAKER- Yeah, I think hopefully it will be better than that.

41:08SPEAKERBut so far it's back to running a good 60 minutes

41:13SPEAKERor so on a charge now,

41:15SPEAKERwhich maybe is about what it's supposed to do.

41:18SPEAKER- Does it have like a little dock that it backs into?

41:19SPEAKER- Yeah, yes.

41:21SPEAKERThis one, it's not, I think we,

41:22SPEAKERI think didn't some people write in say

41:24SPEAKERsome of the like high-end rumors use like not just SLAM,

41:28SPEAKERbut also like what does the SLAM entail building a model?

41:31SPEAKERI can't remember.

41:32SPEAKER- SLAM builds a point map or a mesh or whatever.

41:35SPEAKER- Okay, so ours absolutely does not do that.

41:37SPEAKERIt just randomly, like it's only navigational principle

41:43SPEAKERis did I just bump into something

41:44SPEAKERthen turn 90 degrees and go somewhere else?

41:47SPEAKERLike it's good, it's a good supplement.

41:50SPEAKERLike it picks up a ton of dust.

41:52SPEAKERLike you will still see stuff all over the floor.

41:55SPEAKERIt doesn't get everything,

41:56SPEAKERbut seeing the amount of dust it gets is really nice,

41:59SPEAKERbut you'll definitely see it like going back and forth

42:03SPEAKERover the same area five or six times randomly,

42:05SPEAKERjust because that's where it ended up sometimes.

42:08SPEAKERBut like, I don't know, beyond that,

42:10SPEAKERI don't need a fleet of robots for like that one is nice

42:15SPEAKERbecause it's like,

42:16SPEAKERyou don't want to vacuum your house every day, right?

42:18SPEAKER- No.

42:19SPEAKER- Like I obsessed with clean floors

42:21SPEAKERand I still like upright vacuum once a week.

42:24SPEAKER- You have hardwood too, right?

42:26SPEAKER- Yeah, well, we do have rugs in a good chunk of the house,

42:29SPEAKERbut like that one's nice because it's like,

42:32SPEAKERoh, it'll pick up extra crud

42:33SPEAKERin the on the other six days of the week.

42:35SPEAKERI don't want to vacuum for real,

42:37SPEAKERbut like other stuff that you do less frequently,

42:40SPEAKERlike I just do it myself.

42:41SPEAKERI don't need other robots.

42:44SPEAKER- The problem we had with the vacuum

42:47SPEAKERis that we have a bunch of rugs

42:48SPEAKERand some of them have tassels.

42:50SPEAKERAnd I know that this is a solved problem now,

42:52SPEAKERbut for a long time,

42:53SPEAKERit just either it couldn't get up on the side of the rug

42:56SPEAKER'cause there's too much lip or the tassels would jam it up.

43:00SPEAKEROr honestly our houses, there's too much furniture

43:02SPEAKERand it's not enough space for it to really be effective.

43:06SPEAKERI think I'd also, I'd do a dusting robot.

43:08SPEAKERIf you could have a robot that dusts for you,

43:10SPEAKERI really hate dusting too.

43:11SPEAKER- I mean, that seems mechanically implausible

43:14SPEAKERand probably in our life.

43:15SPEAKERWell, not maybe not in our lifetimes,

43:16SPEAKERbut like that's obviously way more complicated

43:18SPEAKERthan a little puck that drives around.

43:20SPEAKER- Look, we just need, it just needs to fly around.

43:22SPEAKERAnd then with a giant air filter on it,

43:24SPEAKERit'll knock up all the dust and suck it up.

43:26SPEAKERThat's, that's.

43:28SPEAKER- Dusting and vacuuming are the two things I do obsessively

43:31SPEAKERbecause I cannot stand it being dusty

43:32SPEAKERand I can't stand the floor being.

43:34SPEAKER- It's so dusty where we live.

43:36SPEAKER- Yeah, yes.

43:37SPEAKER- It's all fog.

43:38SPEAKER- If there were like, if I could just snap my fingers

43:40SPEAKERand make those things not a problem anymore,

43:41SPEAKERlike I would give anything.

43:43SPEAKERAnyway, let's see.

43:47SPEAKERMountaineer blue, this is a good question.

43:50SPEAKERDo you think one day they'll be dismantling

43:52SPEAKERthe empire state building

43:53SPEAKERto get at its precious pre-war steel?

43:56SPEAKERSo do you want to explain the concept of pre-war steel?

43:59SPEAKER- The pre-war steel is before the first nuclear bombs

44:02SPEAKERwent off and added radioactive isotopes

44:06SPEAKERto the air all around us.

44:07SPEAKERSo steel that's forged before 1944,

44:12SPEAKERwhen the Manhattan project blew up the first test bomb,

44:17SPEAKERbasically is suited for use in like tools

44:21SPEAKERthat measure radioactivity,

44:22SPEAKERlike Geiger counters and more sensitive stuff.

44:26SPEAKERSteel smelted post that you can use for everything else.

44:29SPEAKERIt's fine, but you can't use it in stuff

44:31SPEAKERthat's radiologically sensitive

44:33SPEAKERbecause it has isotopes that decay

44:35SPEAKERand fuck up your readings.

44:36SPEAKER- So wait, hang on.

44:37SPEAKERSo those isotopes are still endemic.

44:41SPEAKERThey're still everywhere.

44:42SPEAKER- Constantly, yeah.

44:43SPEAKEREverywhere around us all the time.

44:45SPEAKER- Interesting.

44:46SPEAKER- How are you doing?

44:46SPEAKERThis is good for you or not so much?

44:48SPEAKER- Fine, look, I tend to be fairly sanguine

44:53SPEAKERabout things that I can't change like that.

44:55SPEAKER- Nothing we can do about it.

44:56SPEAKER- There's really nothing that can be done about that.

44:58SPEAKERThat ship sailed.

45:01SPEAKERHonestly, I mean, maybe we have people who work in the field

45:04SPEAKERthat could explain this.

45:04SPEAKERLike I would really be interested.

45:06SPEAKERI should just go Google this.

45:07SPEAKERThat's the answer.

45:09SPEAKERInterested in the atomic, molecular, metallurgical component

45:14SPEAKERof how that works.

45:15SPEAKERLike, you know, are those binding

45:18SPEAKERto the component materials of steel?

45:20SPEAKERIs it something about the smelting process

45:21SPEAKERthat causes this to be a problem?

45:23SPEAKER- It's exposure to air during the smelting process.

45:26SPEAKERPhil from Rainy.

45:27SPEAKERWe got to have Phil Broughton on the podcast sometime.

45:29SPEAKERWe tried to get him on right before the start of the pandemic

45:31SPEAKERand it ended up not happening for a bunch of reasons,

45:33SPEAKERbut I'll send him a note and see if we can get him on

45:36SPEAKER'cause he could explain this to you really well.

45:38SPEAKER- Yes, I would love to hear about that.

45:39SPEAKERBut my understanding is that it's the air used

45:43SPEAKERduring the iron enriching process that makes steel

45:47SPEAKERand you add carbon, I think.

45:49SPEAKERI can't remember if carbon and nickel or something.

45:51SPEAKERAnd yeah, it's part of that.

45:55SPEAKERBut those nuclear isotopes are everywhere

46:00SPEAKERand it doesn't take much to jack up

46:02SPEAKERyour sensitive scientific equipment.

46:05SPEAKER- I assume clearly this is not possible

46:09SPEAKERor they would have done it already.

46:10SPEAKERSome sort of clean room-ish,

46:13SPEAKERclean air situation is not possible.

46:15SPEAKER- I'm sure you can do it.

46:16SPEAKERI'm sure it's probably cheaper to just pay people

46:18SPEAKERto dig up and salvage old shipwrecks and stuff like that.

46:22SPEAKER- Yes, sure.

46:23SPEAKER- So the takeaway is that there's a lot of World War I ships

46:26SPEAKERon the bottom of oceans and bays and Mediterranean Sea

46:30SPEAKERand stuff like that.

46:31SPEAKERSo there's a fair amount of money in digging those up,

46:35SPEAKERdredging those up and pulling that out.

46:38SPEAKERThe, I mean, is there a future

46:43SPEAKERwhere the Empire State Building has no sentimental value

46:45SPEAKERand it's a thing that we eventually pull out

46:47SPEAKERto get pre-war steel?

46:49SPEAKERMaybe, but the amount of pre-war steel that's needed

46:55SPEAKERto build all the scientific equipment in the world

46:58SPEAKERis pretty low right now.

47:00SPEAKERSo I think they'd probably tear down

47:02SPEAKERthe rest of Manhattan first

47:03SPEAKER'cause there's a lot of other pre-war buildings there.

47:05SPEAKER- Sure. - Maybe they aren't all steel frames

47:08SPEAKERbut yeah, I think the Empire State Building

47:13SPEAKERwould be near the end of the list

47:14SPEAKERinstead of near the beginning.

47:15SPEAKERAs long as they don't tear down the Chrysler Building,

47:17SPEAKERI'm okay though.

47:17SPEAKER- Yes, man, I think my like shipwreck fascination

47:24SPEAKERhas mostly tapered off in the wake of the Ocean Gate stuff

47:28SPEAKERbut we were at the land's end.

47:31SPEAKERDid we talk about this?

47:32SPEAKERWe cut something? - I think we talked about this

47:34SPEAKERbut I can't remember.

47:35SPEAKER- We cut something about the SS Ohioan from the cold open

47:38SPEAKERbecause you thought we had talked about it

47:39SPEAKERon the show last week

47:40SPEAKERwhich I thought we had talked about it off the recording

47:43SPEAKERso maybe people can let us know

47:44SPEAKERbut this is new information though.

47:46SPEAKERI definitely haven't said this before.

47:47SPEAKER- Okay.

47:48SPEAKER- When we were at land's end last week

47:51SPEAKERwhich is where the remains of the wreck of the SS Ohioan

47:55SPEAKERlie off the coast of.

47:56SPEAKER- What is the SS Ohioan?

47:58SPEAKER- It was a cargo ship from, it was built in I think 1914

48:01SPEAKERand wrecked in '33 in the Bay here.

48:03SPEAKER- Okay.

48:04SPEAKER- And it ran higher ground

48:07SPEAKERwhere like most of it was above ground.

48:10SPEAKERAs a matter of fact.

48:12SPEAKER- Above water, you mean?

48:13SPEAKER- Oh yes, sorry.

48:14SPEAKERWell, actually looking at the photos,

48:15SPEAKERsome of it was quite literally resting on a rock

48:17SPEAKERabove the water line.

48:18SPEAKER- How do you fuck up that bad?

48:20SPEAKER- The fog was very bad when they came in apparently.

48:22SPEAKER- Okay.

48:23SPEAKER- It was so high that they took,

48:25SPEAKERthey got all the cargo off and then had a watchman.

48:27SPEAKERThey had like, it was so accessible.

48:30SPEAKERThey had a guy, they had someone posted as a watchman

48:33SPEAKERon the ship for like three years after it had wrecked

48:37SPEAKERuntil the watchman on duty accidentally started a fire

48:40SPEAKERthat burned most of the ship.

48:43SPEAKERAnd also there was dynamite still on the hold

48:45SPEAKERand that was real bad.

48:46SPEAKER- Holy crap.

48:47SPEAKER- Thankfully, they put the fire out

48:49SPEAKERbefore it got to the dynamite apparently.

48:50SPEAKERBut from that point, they was like, all right,

48:52SPEAKERwe're not putting this thing's done.

48:55SPEAKER- Did they think they were gonna be able to pull it back

48:56SPEAKERoff the rock at some point?

48:57SPEAKER- I'm not clear what was going on.

48:59SPEAKERI think maybe that was like,

49:01SPEAKERI only read a cursory amount of information,

49:03SPEAKERbut I got the sense it had not been long enough

49:06SPEAKERsince the wreck happened for them to have decided

49:08SPEAKERultimately what to do with it,

49:09SPEAKERbut then it went bad like that.

49:12SPEAKERSo ultimately they dynamited it.

49:14SPEAKERI think they blew it up or somehow, anyway.

49:17SPEAKERYou can apparently see the remains of the wreck still

49:19SPEAKERif you go at extremely low tide.

49:23SPEAKERSo I apologize if I just repeated something

49:26SPEAKERthat I talked about last week.

49:27SPEAKERThe thing I was gonna say though,

49:28SPEAKERis when I was up there reading about that thing

49:30SPEAKERon the little historical board overlooking the area,

49:34SPEAKERapparently there are like 300 other known shipwrecks

49:37SPEAKERin the Bay alone.

49:40SPEAKERAnd that's just the Bay.

49:40SPEAKERLike San Francisco Bay is not big

49:42SPEAKERand that's 300 ships down there.

49:44SPEAKER- San Francisco Bay is pretty big.

49:46SPEAKERYou can see it from space.

49:47SPEAKER- Okay, it's not small, but it's not the ocean.

49:50SPEAKERThe point I'm making though is,

49:53SPEAKERand granted it's a very high traffic area.

49:54SPEAKERThe thing I was gonna say is like,

49:56SPEAKERif there are 300 wrecks in the Bay,

49:58SPEAKERimagine how many there are in the wider ocean,

50:00SPEAKERbut also like the Bay is so high traffic

50:01SPEAKERthat maybe there's a higher density of wrecks,

50:03SPEAKERbut still, I bet there's a lot of ships

50:06SPEAKERunderwater on this planet.

50:07SPEAKER- Well, there's probably an overall listing somewhere.

50:11SPEAKERThere's probably a website,

50:12SPEAKERthere's probably a Wikipedia page

50:13SPEAKERthat's like the list of shipwrecks

50:15SPEAKERthat has all the known shipwrecks.

50:16SPEAKER- I'm typing number of known shipwrecks in right now.

50:20SPEAKER- So it's concentration,

50:21SPEAKERthere's a lot here because it's navigable.

50:24SPEAKER- I'm sorry.

50:26SPEAKER- It's high traffic, like you said,

50:27SPEAKERand it's also scary water 'cause it's high current

50:30SPEAKERand like the fog is a problem.

50:31SPEAKER- Fog is bad, rocks, there's a lot of rocks.

50:34SPEAKER- West Coast generally is scary is my understanding.

50:37SPEAKERLike the Columbia River mouth in Oregon

50:40SPEAKERis a terrifying set of water, anyway.

50:43SPEAKER- Can I say the number I just found?

50:45SPEAKER- Yeah, what's the number, like 100,000?

50:46SPEAKER- According to analysis by UNESCO,

50:48SPEAKERthere are over 3 million resting shipwrecks

50:52SPEAKERundiscovered in the world's oceans.

50:55SPEAKER- Brad, I got a new idea.

50:57SPEAKERBrad and Will make a salvage company.

50:59SPEAKER- Okay, I thought you were just gonna say

51:01SPEAKERBrad and Will make a shipwreck podcast, which sure.

51:04SPEAKER- Okay, I mean, okay, that probably is more realistic.

51:06SPEAKER- All right, all right, all right, patrons,

51:09SPEAKERshipwreck of the month, what do you think?

51:10SPEAKER- Yeah.

51:12SPEAKER- Anyway, that's a lot.

51:13SPEAKERI got off on a little bit of a kick

51:14SPEAKERabout like all the deepest wrecks known.

51:16SPEAKERLike I found a video documenting

51:19SPEAKERwhen they found the Samuel B. Roberts,

51:22SPEAKERwhich I believe is still the deepest known wreck,

51:25SPEAKERwhich was one of the escort ships in Quattle Canal

51:30SPEAKERor one of the Pacific theater battles in World War II,

51:33SPEAKERI believe is currently the deepest known wreck.

51:36SPEAKER- Have you looked at the Glomar Explorer stuff much?

51:39SPEAKER- No.

51:40SPEAKER- Oh, Brad.

51:42SPEAKER- Yes.

51:43SPEAKER- When the Soviets lose a missile submarine,

51:45SPEAKERnuclear powered missile submarine in the '60s, in the '70s,

51:51SPEAKERit's the story of how you recover

51:55SPEAKERthe lost Soviet submarine K-19.

51:58SPEAKER- Oh, I'm sorry, yes.

51:59SPEAKER- It was a diesel electric ballistic missile submarine,

52:01SPEAKERnot a nuclear missile submarine.

52:03SPEAKER- This is a Zorian.

52:04SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah, I watched a documentary

52:06SPEAKERabout Project Zorian some years ago.

52:08SPEAKER- Yeah.

52:09SPEAKER- That was awesome.

52:11SPEAKER- The Glomar Explorer is real cool.

52:13SPEAKER- We've got a couple of those too.

52:15SPEAKERThe, what are they?

52:16SPEAKERThe USS's Scorpion and Thresher are our two nuclear subs

52:21SPEAKERthat went down with weapons on them.

52:23SPEAKER- Well, so the K-19, K-129 rather,

52:27SPEAKERwas not, it was a diesel submarine,

52:29SPEAKERbut it had ballistic missiles on it,

52:30SPEAKERwhich is why they wanted it.

52:32SPEAKER- Yeah, actually, yeah, I might be,

52:35SPEAKERI think maybe one of those subs

52:36SPEAKERmay have just had a nuclear, like it was nuclear powered,

52:38SPEAKERbut maybe didn't have weapons,

52:39SPEAKERbut the other one definitely did, actually.

52:41SPEAKER- Yeah.

52:42SPEAKER- That was one of the things,

52:44SPEAKERit's hard to keep talking about shipwrecks.

52:47SPEAKERSomething Bob Ballard talked about,

52:48SPEAKERthe guy who found the Titanic, like that was,

52:50SPEAKERthat expedition, in fact, it wasn't announced at the time

52:53SPEAKERthat I mentioned this before,

52:54SPEAKERthat at the time there was some cover story given

52:57SPEAKERfor why he was out there looking for the Titanic,

52:59SPEAKERbut in recent years, it was declassified

53:02SPEAKERthat in fact he was out there looking,

53:04SPEAKERchecking in on one of these subs for the Navy.

53:07SPEAKER- Make sure it wasn't leaking.

53:09SPEAKER- So I think it was more to make sure

53:12SPEAKERthe Soviets had not gotten the missiles, the warheads.

53:16SPEAKERLike, I think that's actually what he said

53:17SPEAKERwas that the Navy had sent them out there periodically

53:20SPEAKERto check in on the wreck and make sure nobody had disturbed

53:24SPEAKERand accessed the compartment with the warheads.

53:28SPEAKER- Wow.

53:29SPEAKER- Yeah, anyway, sorry about this long digression.

53:32SPEAKER- Wow, so yeah, that's a trip.

53:36SPEAKER- Yeah, it's some cool stuff.

53:38SPEAKER- They wanted to go and not have the Russians follow them.

53:40SPEAKER- Yes.

53:41SPEAKER- Because they wanted to make sure that,

53:43SPEAKERthey wanted to see what the nuclear reactors were doing

53:44SPEAKERto the environment and make sure that the nuclear weapons

53:46SPEAKERwere still on the Scorpion.

53:47SPEAKER- Yes, Ballard did mention there was a conservation aspect

53:50SPEAKERto it too of they collected samples like fish,

53:54SPEAKERwildlife from the area to make sure

53:55SPEAKERthey were not suffering.

53:57SPEAKEROf course, that was probably more for research reasons

54:00SPEAKERthan for humanitarian or ecological ones.

54:03SPEAKER- So when they finished looking at the Scorpion

54:06SPEAKERand the Thresher, which were close to each other,

54:08SPEAKERthey had 12 days left to find the Titanic.

54:11SPEAKERAnd as he said, we got it right at the buzzer.

54:13SPEAKERSo, and Bob Ballard's cool.

54:16SPEAKER- He sure is.

54:17SPEAKER- Okay, next question, Chip Shirley.

54:21SPEAKER- Shirley, her name isn't Chip.

54:23SPEAKER- Shirley, is machine learning used

54:25SPEAKERin online content moderation?

54:28SPEAKERIf not, do you see this as a valid application of it?

54:30SPEAKERNo one seems to like moderation work,

54:32SPEAKERbut could a machine reliably do it?

54:35SPEAKER- Everybody who's tried this,

54:36SPEAKERit's failed in interesting and terrible ways.

54:39SPEAKER- So it seems like a thing you maybe don't want to fail at,

54:42SPEAKERif you can help it.

54:43SPEAKER- Yeah, the sex worker contingent on Blue Sky

54:47SPEAKERlikes to post pictures that will get flagged

54:50SPEAKERby their ML nudity sensors

54:55SPEAKERand are not nudity or sexually suggestive at all.

54:58SPEAKERAnd it is hilarious.

55:00SPEAKER'Cause it's like, you can bend your finger,

55:04SPEAKERyou know, bend your index finger real tight

55:06SPEAKERand make it look like a butt crack.

55:08SPEAKERAnd that'll trigger it every single time.

55:10SPEAKERYeah, so false positives.

55:12SPEAKERIt's a space where you don't want to have false positives

55:14SPEAKERand you get a lot of false positives.

55:15SPEAKEROr false negatives, either one, both are bad.

55:17SPEAKER- Yes, yes indeed.

55:19SPEAKER- Or if you're Twitter, you could just let,

55:21SPEAKERsomebody could post some CSAM

55:24SPEAKERand then reinstate the user that afternoon.

55:25SPEAKERThat's fine too.

55:26SPEAKER- Don't fucking get me.

55:27SPEAKERLike I was close to-

55:28SPEAKER- Don't fucking use Twitter.

55:29SPEAKERThe lesson is don't use Twitter.

55:31SPEAKER- I was seriously close to deleting my account yesterday.

55:34SPEAKERLike the only reason I didn't delete my account

55:36SPEAKERwas because I might need it for promotional reasons

55:40SPEAKERat some point or it just feels, you know what I mean?

55:42SPEAKERIt's like, oh, there's enough followers here.

55:45SPEAKERIt's kind of hard to just deep six it.

55:47SPEAKER- People in our line of work,

55:49SPEAKERit is having a large number of followers someplace

55:51SPEAKERis an important part of our jobs.

55:54SPEAKER- It's marketing.

55:55SPEAKERLike I would be happily not have to engage with it for work

55:59SPEAKERif, you know, anyway, point being like,

56:02SPEAKERI've never been closer to like completely

56:04SPEAKERand utterly cutting that fucking thing out of my life.

56:06SPEAKER- Yeah, but anyway, the point is content moderation

56:10SPEAKERwith AI and machine learning doesn't work.

56:12SPEAKER- Yeah.

56:13SPEAKER- At least not Yale, not now.

56:14SPEAKER- Yes.

56:16SPEAKERBlue Sky needs an iPad app, like a dedicated one badly.

56:20SPEAKER- I just use the, I make the iPhone app big.

56:24SPEAKER- It's broken now, I don't know how long.

56:26SPEAKER- Oh, I use my phone for social media stuff usually.

56:28SPEAKER- It tries to, it's not worth really going through.

56:31SPEAKERIt tries to resize itself in such a way

56:32SPEAKERthat you can essentially see exactly one post at a time.

56:35SPEAKER- Perfect.

56:36SPEAKER- It's bad.

56:37SPEAKER- Or maybe it's TikTok.

56:38SPEAKERIt's TikTok for text.

56:39SPEAKER- Okay.

56:41SPEAKERHere's one from Fernando.

56:44SPEAKERAs a dad to a five and eight year old,

56:46SPEAKERI would love an episode talking about cool toys

56:49SPEAKERand or iPad apps and resources I can use

56:51SPEAKERto get my daughters interested in tech, STEM,

56:55SPEAKERparticularly, let me try this again.

56:58SPEAKERInterested in tech and STEM, they already love art,

57:01SPEAKERparticularly programming, engineering, and robotics.

57:05SPEAKERThey're in a Lego robotics camp right now,

57:06SPEAKERand I love what they're learning there.

57:08SPEAKERSo for people who don't know, for people who don't have kids,

57:11SPEAKERSTEM is science, tech, engineering, and math.

57:16SPEAKERAnd it's, and art, it's STEAM often is,

57:22SPEAKERpeople say STEAM instead of STEM because art's important too.

57:26SPEAKER- Yeah.

57:28SPEAKER- So there's probably an episode here

57:32SPEAKERwhich I'd have to do some research on,

57:34SPEAKERbut the answer is it's gonna be different

57:35SPEAKERfor every kid probably.

57:38SPEAKERThe nice thing about kids that are at that age

57:40SPEAKERis that they really love spending time with you.

57:43SPEAKERSo if you find some things that involve those types of things

57:48SPEAKERand pick those as activities that you can do together,

57:51SPEAKEReither with one or both and at different times,

57:55SPEAKERthat's how you do it.

57:56SPEAKERI mean, the people I know whose kids

57:57SPEAKERwent on to be engineers spent time with their kids

58:00SPEAKERdoing engineering stuff and building things

58:02SPEAKERand taking things apart to find out how they work.

58:04SPEAKERAnd when your kid asks a question like,

58:08SPEAKERhey, how does that work?

58:10SPEAKERInstead of saying, I don't know, go look at a YouTube video,

58:13SPEAKERyou take it apart and show them,

58:15SPEAKERor you sit down and watch a YouTube video together

58:19SPEAKERand then you talk about it.

58:21SPEAKERAnd the other thing is you can't force it.

58:27SPEAKERSo you can't be like, okay, now's the time of the day

58:32SPEAKERwhen we do our math 'cause they'll just reject that.

58:35SPEAKERI mean, my daughter would reject that, yours might not,

58:37SPEAKERbut mine would be like, yeah, math,

58:39SPEAKERI don't wanna do that right now.

58:40SPEAKERI wanna do something fun instead.

58:41SPEAKER- Yeah, I was wondering about that.

58:43SPEAKERI didn't wanna, obviously I am not a parent,

58:45SPEAKERbut I'm sure there is some amount

58:47SPEAKERof they have to come to it organically or naturally.

58:50SPEAKER- Well, but I mean, there's two,

58:54SPEAKERit's like law and order, right?

58:55SPEAKERThere's two parts of this.

58:56SPEAKEROne is that they reject things that they don't think are fun

58:59SPEAKERbut the others, they really like spending time with you.

59:00SPEAKERSo if you pick things that are a little bit fun

59:04SPEAKERand also involve spending a lot of good time with you

59:06SPEAKERwhere you're not on your phone

59:07SPEAKERand you're paying attention to them

59:08SPEAKERand you're talking about the things that they care about

59:11SPEAKERand that they're excited about,

59:12SPEAKERthen they'll tend to wanna do that stuff more.

59:16SPEAKERAnd that's the reliable way to do it.

59:18SPEAKERIt's not, the nice thing is you don't have to buy stuff.

59:22SPEAKERI mean, you might buy some stuff,

59:23SPEAKERbut going to the science museum

59:25SPEAKERand following your daughters around

59:28SPEAKERand letting them show you the things that they think are cool

59:31SPEAKERis, and asking them why and getting them to ask why

59:34SPEAKERand be prepared when they ask why.

59:36SPEAKERThat's the way you do this.

59:38SPEAKERAnd you also have to accept it if they don't,

59:39SPEAKERlike some kids just don't give a shit, which is fine.

59:42SPEAKERThere's other things.

59:43SPEAKERThere's other things that they'll do and find

59:45SPEAKERand everybody, the nice thing about the modern age

59:51SPEAKERis that everybody will find their own path.

59:55SPEAKERYeah, or can find their own path, I guess.

59:58SPEAKERI mean, they may or not, everybody will,

59:59SPEAKERbut they can't use there.

1:00:01SPEAKER- Sure, good answer.

1:00:04SPEAKERCake batter wants to know how many frames you get

1:00:06SPEAKERrunning Crysis on your 360 Hertz monitor and 4090.

1:00:10SPEAKER- Okay, so I don't have the original Crysis,

1:00:12SPEAKERwhich became CPU bound really early in its life.

1:00:15SPEAKERAs I recall, it was GPU bound for a long time.

1:00:17SPEAKERAnd then all of a sudden it became a great CPU benchmark.

1:00:23SPEAKEROn the remastered thing,

1:00:24SPEAKERwith everything turned all the way up

1:00:25SPEAKERand the boost ray tracing stuff turned on,

1:00:29SPEAKERI was getting 300, 280 frames a second.

1:00:32SPEAKER- Okay.

1:00:33SPEAKER- Seemed like it runs, I'm gonna say acceptable.

1:00:38SPEAKERI'd play that.

1:00:39SPEAKER- The original is not easily accessible,

1:00:41SPEAKERbut it is out there.

1:00:42SPEAKER- You have to sail the high seas, Brad?

1:00:44SPEAKER- Well, I don't know.

1:00:45SPEAKERWhat is archive.org to you?

1:00:46SPEAKERIs that piracy?

1:00:47SPEAKER- Oh no, that's not the high seas, that's a fine.

1:00:50SPEAKER- Is that a cultural record?

1:00:52SPEAKER- That is where you find the games.

1:00:56SPEAKERIt's interesting 'cause you can buy Crysis 3 original

1:00:59SPEAKERand Crysis 3 remastered on Steam,

1:01:02SPEAKERbut you can't buy the unremastered original Crysis.

1:01:05SPEAKERI assume because of, like, I think it's a DX8 game.

1:01:08SPEAKERI can't remember, but it's old enough

1:01:11SPEAKERthat it's like probably problematic to run

1:01:14SPEAKERor alternately remains not performant in the modern era.

1:01:17SPEAKER- That might be DX9 by then.

1:01:19SPEAKER- '07, right, that was the same year as Portal

1:01:22SPEAKERand the Orange Box and that was DX9.

1:01:25SPEAKERLet's do a couple more here real quick.

1:01:29SPEAKERWait, oh, Chip Shirley getting the two for this month.

1:01:32SPEAKER- Ooh.

1:01:33SPEAKER- Didn't even plan this.

1:01:35SPEAKERWould Brad recommend building an AM5 system?

1:01:37SPEAKERHe has alluded to having problems

1:01:38SPEAKERwith his recent system build.

1:01:40SPEAKERI would say it's probably totally fine at this point.

1:01:43SPEAKER- You feel like everything's working out now?

1:01:45SPEAKER- Yes, AM5 is the new AMD platform

1:01:48SPEAKERfor people who don't know it's what the Ryzen 7000s go in.

1:01:51SPEAKERThe emulating CPU thing,

1:01:54SPEAKERif that's what you're thinking of,

1:01:55SPEAKERthe very high profile of these CPUs

1:01:58SPEAKERare burning themselves to death stuff.

1:02:00SPEAKERThat all got resolved through BIOS updates

1:02:02SPEAKERa couple months ago, three months ago.

1:02:04SPEAKERThat's done.

1:02:06SPEAKERThe USB stuff, I mean, you know, there are still USB ports

1:02:08SPEAKERI can't plug my camera and mic into,

1:02:10SPEAKERbut you've got the same thing on an Intel board,

1:02:12SPEAKERso that's not exclusive to AMD as far as I can tell.

1:02:18SPEAKERThat's probably pretty vendor dependent.

1:02:20SPEAKER- I think that's just USB being janky.

1:02:21SPEAKER- Yes, and I assume pretty vendor dependent

1:02:24SPEAKERdepending on what USB controller they may have put on

1:02:26SPEAKERas a third party add-on.

1:02:28SPEAKER- I don't use the third party one.

1:02:29SPEAKERMine is the Intel.

1:02:31SPEAKERI use the Intel one.

1:02:32SPEAKER- That's what I mean.

1:02:33SPEAKERThe AMD ports are fine on mine.

1:02:35SPEAKERIt's the ones that run through the third party

1:02:36SPEAKERextra controller that are garbage.

1:02:41SPEAKERLet's see, what else?

1:02:44SPEAKERYeah, it seems fine at this point.

1:02:48SPEAKERThere's a big round of BIOS updates coming out right now.

1:02:50SPEAKERYou might be interested in this.

1:02:52SPEAKERHow fast is your memory?

1:02:54SPEAKER- 57, 7,600.

1:02:56SPEAKER- 76, wasn't it?

1:02:57SPEAKER- 76, I think, yeah.

1:02:59SPEAKER- So the common wisdom has been it is Ryzen 7000s

1:03:03SPEAKERcan't go past 6,000.

1:03:05SPEAKERDo you know 5, 6,000?

1:03:07SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:03:08SPEAKER- There's a big wave of BIOS updates hitting right now.

1:03:10SPEAKERApparently this is coming from AMD, I believe,

1:03:12SPEAKER'cause all the manufacturers are touting it.

1:03:14SPEAKERSo it must be an AGISA,

1:03:15SPEAKERlike the AMD common platform improvement.

1:03:19SPEAKERThey can all run DDR5 8000 like totally stable.

1:03:22SPEAKER- What?

1:03:23SPEAKER- Like out of nowhere, like.

1:03:25SPEAKER- That's amazing.

1:03:26SPEAKER- Yes, so apparently you can potentially get wave, wave.

1:03:31SPEAKERI don't even know if DR5 8000

1:03:32SPEAKERis like widely on the market yet.

1:03:36SPEAKERAnyway, that's a weird example

1:03:38SPEAKERafter some of the issues I had had of like,

1:03:41SPEAKERthis platform really was not fully ready

1:03:43SPEAKERbecause they are improving it by leaps and bounds

1:03:45SPEAKERin the months after it has released.

1:03:47SPEAKER- I mean, that is, when you buy something that's brand new,

1:03:50SPEAKERthat is often the problem, right?

1:03:52SPEAKER- Yeah, yes.

1:03:53SPEAKER- Especially, like, especially, so what I bought,

1:03:56SPEAKERI can't remember, I bought an early,

1:03:58SPEAKERI built an early DDR4 machine

1:04:00SPEAKERand it was the same exact experience.

1:04:01SPEAKERLike, it's not about the CPUs, it's not about the,

1:04:04SPEAKERif you were moving from DDR4 old chipset

1:04:08SPEAKERto DDR4 new chipset, you'd be fine.

1:04:10SPEAKERIt's moving from DDR3 to DDR4, DDR4 to DR5 in this case.

1:04:14SPEAKERSo there's all sorts of growing pains around that stuff.

1:04:16SPEAKER- Yes, yes.

1:04:18SPEAKER- And I looked it up for the record,

1:04:20SPEAKERCrysis and Portal both were DirectX 9 games,

1:04:23SPEAKERalthough Crysis did have a DX8 mode,

1:04:26SPEAKERI assume for the older Nvidia 5000 series G-forces.

1:04:32SPEAKER- Cool, I don't know.

1:04:34SPEAKEROkay, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo.

1:04:40SPEAKERMeatball, real fast one here.

1:04:42SPEAKERHow long do you, or do you even,

1:04:43SPEAKERkeep boxes and packaging around

1:04:45SPEAKERfor the electronics and hardware you buy?

1:04:46SPEAKERI have a return window rule at this point.

1:04:50SPEAKERJust keep it until the return window is closed

1:04:52SPEAKERand then toss it.

1:04:54SPEAKER- That's interesting, I keep-

1:04:55SPEAKER- 'Cause you're gonna need it.

1:04:56SPEAKERYou're gonna need it if you have to return it,

1:04:57SPEAKERbut once you're out of that window,

1:04:58SPEAKERit kinda doesn't matter.

1:05:00SPEAKER- Oh, yeah, I usually get rid of boxes pretty fast.

1:05:04SPEAKERThe exception is sometimes monitors,

1:05:07SPEAKERis if you need to ship them or carry them or whatever,

1:05:09SPEAKERthen having the boxes real nice.

1:05:11SPEAKER- Yes, I break down and flatten my PC case boxes as well

1:05:15SPEAKERand keep styrofoam so that I can pack those

1:05:17SPEAKERnice and securely if and when I move.

1:05:20SPEAKER- I just hand carry those when I move.

1:05:22SPEAKER- Yeah, well, they gotta get stored somewhere.

1:05:25SPEAKER- Yes, that's true.

1:05:25SPEAKER- While they're getting moved around.

1:05:29SPEAKER- Yeah, it's, yeah, I don't,

1:05:33SPEAKERI try to get rid of that stuff as soon as I can,

1:05:34SPEAKERbut inevitably when I look around my office,

1:05:37SPEAKERI look out and then I'll go fill up the recycling bin

1:05:39SPEAKERwith a bunch of boxes because stuff just keeps coming.

1:05:43SPEAKER- Yes, yes.

1:05:48SPEAKERIDEJ, how do you think you say that?

1:05:51SPEAKER- I-de-j.

1:05:52SPEAKER- Okay, let's go with that.

1:05:54SPEAKER- I-ge.

1:05:55SPEAKER- With Google domains going away,

1:05:57SPEAKERwhat registrar do you suggest I migrate my domains to?

1:06:01SPEAKER- I use, I've used Hover for a really long time.

1:06:03SPEAKERThey support Two-Factor.

1:06:05SPEAKERThey're reasonably priced.

1:06:07SPEAKERLike you pay $5 a year for an email address

1:06:10SPEAKERthat forwards to your other account.

1:06:12SPEAKERThey're pretty good.

1:06:13SPEAKER- Yeah, I feel like GoDaddy has poisoned

1:06:15SPEAKERthe well of registrar so much.

1:06:17SPEAKERLike they're so shitty, or at least their owner is,

1:06:21SPEAKERthat it's hard to know like of the bigger ones,

1:06:23SPEAKERlike which ones are cool.

1:06:24SPEAKERMaybe it's just actually that one that's bad.

1:06:26SPEAKER- Hover is a two cows company.

1:06:28SPEAKER- Oh God, that's a name I haven't heard in quite some time.

1:06:33SPEAKER- The thing about GoDaddy is every time

1:06:35SPEAKERwe say something bad about GoDaddy,

1:06:36SPEAKERlike 10 people write in and say,

1:06:39SPEAKERthe old guy's gone, the new people are much better.

1:06:41SPEAKER- Oh, I didn't know that.

1:06:43SPEAKER- Yeah, they've stopped doing the sexist ads.

1:06:44SPEAKERThey stopped being generally shitty

1:06:46SPEAKERto people that stopped, you know, aren't white guys.

1:06:49SPEAKER- Stopped hunting endangered animals.

1:06:50SPEAKER- Mm-hmm, exactly.

1:06:52SPEAKER- Hopefully.

1:06:54SPEAKER- I cannot, I'm just reporting what people tell me.

1:06:56SPEAKERI have, it is not a topic I care enough about to investigate.

1:07:00SPEAKER- Fair.

1:07:01SPEAKERGod, two cows, man.

1:07:03SPEAKER- You used to go to two cows to download stuff.

1:07:05SPEAKER- Hell yeah, you did.

1:07:07SPEAKERYeah, two cows.com, making the internet better since 1993,

1:07:10SPEAKERthey say, that's wild.

1:07:12SPEAKERI didn't know they were still around.

1:07:14SPEAKER- Yeah. - That's cool.

1:07:15SPEAKER- They own Hover, they have ISPs.

1:07:18SPEAKERThere's a couple other things.

1:07:21SPEAKER- I will say it again, Porkbun, porkbun.com.

1:07:24SPEAKERI have had a great experience with,

1:07:27SPEAKERas I've been looking at domains again recently,

1:07:29SPEAKERit has driven home as I've also looked at those domains

1:07:31SPEAKERon some other services.

1:07:33SPEAKERBut you're still the cheapest one out there

1:07:34SPEAKERby a substantial amount.

1:07:36SPEAKER- Wow, I'm looking at the two cows,

1:07:39SPEAKERlooking at the two cows, two cows is a Toronto company.

1:07:43SPEAKERTwo cows just retired, two cows downloads in 2021.

1:07:46SPEAKER- Wow.

1:07:47SPEAKER- It's saved by the internet archive.

1:07:49SPEAKERAnd I assume that they must have reached out to them

1:07:50SPEAKERand said, "Hey, we're gonna shut this down.

1:07:51SPEAKERDo you wanna archive it?"

1:07:53SPEAKERWith enough time for them to actually do it

1:07:55SPEAKERrather than saying, "Hey, you have three hours

1:07:57SPEAKERbefore we turn this off."

1:07:59SPEAKER- Oh, it's just the contents of the archive, it looks like.

1:08:02SPEAKER- Was that, God, it's been so long, I should remember this.

1:08:04SPEAKERWas that an FTP exclusively?

1:08:07SPEAKER- I feel like it was a front end for an FTP site

1:08:10SPEAKERthat you get patches and drivers and stuff on.

1:08:13SPEAKER- Oh, right, but it ended up being web-based eventually,

1:08:15SPEAKERright?

1:08:16SPEAKER- It was always definitely web-based.

1:08:17SPEAKER- Yes, okay.

1:08:18SPEAKERI wonder if that is in the wayback machine, I bet it is.

1:08:20SPEAKERAnyway, we should do something

1:08:23SPEAKERon the wayback machine at some point.

1:08:25SPEAKER- I also, I gotta say on the two cows front,

1:08:28SPEAKERwhen you get to the bottom of their page,

1:08:31SPEAKERit says, "Hey, it's pronounced two cows, by the way."

1:08:34SPEAKERThey tell you.

1:08:36SPEAKER- I didn't know anybody.

1:08:36SPEAKERWas there any disagreement on that topic?

1:08:38SPEAKER- You know what, it's just nice to know.

1:08:41SPEAKERAnd you know what?

1:08:41SPEAKERI said that Two Cows, that Hover is a two cows company.

1:08:46SPEAKEROh yeah, no, it is.

1:08:46SPEAKEROkay, let's make it sure.

1:08:48SPEAKER- All right, whew.

1:08:49SPEAKERYeah, anyway, I'll say it again.

1:08:51SPEAKERI've been spending a lot of time with the wayback machine

1:08:53SPEAKERfor various reasons recently.

1:08:55SPEAKERWe should do something with that at some point.

1:08:57SPEAKER- Well, we know people over there, we can reach out.

1:08:59SPEAKER- Yeah, not least because I can walk

1:09:01SPEAKERto their headquarters from here.

1:09:04SPEAKERIt's very stately.

1:09:06SPEAKERAll right, maybe last thing else.

1:09:09SPEAKER- Yeah, one more. - One more?

1:09:10SPEAKER- Yeah, we can do one more.

1:09:11SPEAKER- Ignis phase one.

1:09:13SPEAKERThis is an interesting one.

1:09:14SPEAKERI have a favorite quote from an old coworker.

1:09:17SPEAKER"The reasonable man bends himself to the world.

1:09:20SPEAKERThe unreasonable man bends the world to himself.

1:09:23SPEAKERThus all progress relies on the unreasonable man."

1:09:27SPEAKERMy question, what program and operating system defaults

1:09:30SPEAKERhave you been to learning?

1:09:31SPEAKERAnd what defaults have you decided must be changed

1:09:33SPEAKERto fit your very obvious correct values?

1:09:37SPEAKER- So, I turn off all of the non application

1:09:46SPEAKERor file searches in the start menu on Windows.

1:09:50SPEAKER- Oh, that's, I mean, that's just objectively correct.

1:09:52SPEAKERThat's not, there is no room for debate there.

1:09:57SPEAKER- Okay.

1:09:58SPEAKER- Ain't nobody wanting to open the start menu

1:10:00SPEAKERand type into it and get webbers or web search results back.

1:10:04SPEAKER- I mean, it's clearly somebody wants that

1:10:05SPEAKERbecause they turn it on at every fucking Windows machine

1:10:08SPEAKERin the world.

1:10:10SPEAKERI don't know.

1:10:11SPEAKERI tend to live, I say,

1:10:13SPEAKERI'm gonna say I live the default lifestyle,

1:10:15SPEAKERbut I absolutely change shit.

1:10:18SPEAKERI don't know, Brad, you got it?

1:10:19SPEAKERYou got stuff?

1:10:20SPEAKER- Yeah, of course I do.

1:10:22SPEAKERBut now I'm trying to think of what?

1:10:23SPEAKER- I always install nano on Linux machines

1:10:26SPEAKER'cause only weirdos use VI or Emacs.

1:10:28SPEAKER- That is the number one reason I made myself learn Vim

1:10:30SPEAKERwas the number of times that on a fresh install.

1:10:33SPEAKER- All you got.

1:10:34SPEAKER- Yeah, and like that's set as default.

1:10:36SPEAKERSo if you run something else that spawns an editor,

1:10:39SPEAKERyou're gonna get that.

1:10:40SPEAKERAnd for a long time, for a long time,

1:10:41SPEAKERI couldn't even reliably remember how to quit out of VI.

1:10:45SPEAKER- I spun up an Ubuntu Docker thing the other day

1:10:51SPEAKERand the default Ubuntu Docker image

1:10:54SPEAKERis just base as Ubuntu Linux.

1:10:57SPEAKERThere's nothing, it's not like the server one

1:11:00SPEAKERthat comes preloaded with all the packages

1:11:02SPEAKERor you choose the packages, it's just like Ubuntu

1:11:04SPEAKERand it's the kernel and some network drivers

1:11:07SPEAKERand that's pretty much it.

1:11:08SPEAKER- An apt, or is apt even in there?

1:11:10SPEAKER- I was able to install, I had apt installed,

1:11:13SPEAKERbut it wasn't connected to any repos.

1:11:16SPEAKERI had to tell it which repo I wanted to connect to

1:11:19SPEAKERand pull that down and then restart it.

1:11:21SPEAKERAnd it was like--

1:11:22SPEAKER- Fill out your sources.list.

1:11:24SPEAKER- Yeah, it was a fairly significant challenge.

1:11:29SPEAKERI was, I had fun.

1:11:31SPEAKER- Oh gosh, let me remember the name of it,

1:11:33SPEAKERthat you just gave me an idea.

1:11:34SPEAKERI mean, I constantly worry that I am injecting

1:11:36SPEAKERtoo much Junix into this podcast and this community,

1:11:39SPEAKERbut what is the name of it?

1:11:41SPEAKERSome people in this discord have gone through this exercise.

1:11:45SPEAKERLinux from scratch, duh, yes.

1:11:47SPEAKER- Oh yeah. - Are you familiar with that?

1:11:48SPEAKER- Yeah, it's for crazy people, right?

1:11:51SPEAKERIt's like, if you look at, what do you call it?

1:11:57SPEAKERIt's running on the steam deck and you're like,

1:11:58SPEAKERoh no, that's too easy.

1:11:59SPEAKER- Harsh, well, this is a guided exercise.

1:12:02SPEAKERI mean, I will say some of the more capable programmers

1:12:05SPEAKERon the discord have all done this.

1:12:07SPEAKERI get the sense from them that it is extremely useful

1:12:09SPEAKERif you really want to understand everything

1:12:11SPEAKERthat makes up a Linux install.

1:12:13SPEAKER- Well, so I was gonna say that the thing,

1:12:15SPEAKERI've been thinking lately,

1:12:16SPEAKERI joke about it being a exercise in masochism,

1:12:19SPEAKERbut there was a period of time

1:12:21SPEAKERand through the probably late 2000s

1:12:24SPEAKERwhen I understood how the different parts of the computer

1:12:28SPEAKERand the software on it and all those things work together.

1:12:31SPEAKERAnd in the last 13 years, the complexity

1:12:34SPEAKERand number of interactions between the software

1:12:37SPEAKERand the hardware and how things talk to each other

1:12:39SPEAKERand all that has gotten to the point now

1:12:41SPEAKERthat what was a pretty clear understanding

1:12:43SPEAKERhas become more of a general overview.

1:12:46SPEAKERAnd I've had to pick the places

1:12:48SPEAKERthat I wanna understand what's actually going on

1:12:51SPEAKER'cause there's so much and it's so complicated

1:12:54SPEAKERthat you can't keep up with it.

1:12:55SPEAKERSo in that regard, as an exercise to understand

1:12:59SPEAKERhow the different parts of the kernel

1:13:01SPEAKERand all the different subsystems

1:13:03SPEAKERthat make up a Linux install work,

1:13:04SPEAKERthat makes a ton of sense.

1:13:05SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:13:06SPEAKER- I don't think I would wanna run

1:13:07SPEAKERthat version of Linux as my day-to-day.

1:13:09SPEAKER- I think you could, but I don't think

1:13:11SPEAKERthat's what most people are doing with this.

1:13:13SPEAKERI think it's just to go through it

1:13:14SPEAKER'cause you're building everything from source, I believe,

1:13:17SPEAKERdoing it this way.

1:13:18SPEAKER- Modern Gen 2.

1:13:19SPEAKER- Yes, exactly.

1:13:20SPEAKER- Gen 2 doesn't still exist or I'm sure it does,

1:13:23SPEAKERbut I'm sure it's not a thing that-

1:13:25SPEAKER- It totally does still exist.

1:13:26SPEAKERI don't know that people are optimizing

1:13:27SPEAKERtheir kernel builds the way they used to

1:13:30SPEAKERfor 0.001% more performance.

1:13:34SPEAKER- The hardware is a little more capable these days.

1:13:37SPEAKER- Anyway, look, if you wanna hear us

1:13:39SPEAKERtalk about Linux from scratch, let us know.

1:13:42SPEAKEROr if you don't.

1:13:43SPEAKER- Look, if I ever have a couple of weeks off

1:13:46SPEAKERand wanna just have a project,

1:13:49SPEAKERit's like the equivalent of buying a '69 Mustang

1:13:54SPEAKERand being like, I'm gonna fix this thing up, right?

1:13:57SPEAKER- I'm coming up on just a month shy of a year

1:14:00SPEAKERthat I moved my NAS to Linux from TrueNAS.

1:14:03SPEAKER- Ooh.

1:14:04SPEAKER- And I mean, my understanding of Linux

1:14:06SPEAKERis by no means comprehensive,

1:14:07SPEAKERbut it is like light years beyond

1:14:09SPEAKERwhere it was this time last year.

1:14:10SPEAKERAnd I think it would be cool to do something like this.

1:14:12SPEAKERIt's very empowering, I will say,

1:14:13SPEAKERto know enough to just fix problems

1:14:15SPEAKERwhen they come up and not have to go trawl

1:14:17SPEAKER800 GitHub issues and Stack Exchange posts.

1:14:20SPEAKER- I was gonna say, yeah, there's a lot to be said for that,

1:14:24SPEAKER'cause I can do things now.

1:14:28SPEAKERIt was funny, when I was sitting there

1:14:29SPEAKERlooking at the command prompt,

1:14:30SPEAKERI was like, shit, this doesn't even have,

1:14:31SPEAKERthis says nothing installed on it.

1:14:32SPEAKERI'm starting from scratch.

1:14:35SPEAKERI just started apt installing things that I knew I needed,

1:14:38SPEAKERand eventually I got enough that it would be like,

1:14:41SPEAKERoh, okay, you need these dependencies now.

1:14:43SPEAKER'Cause at first it didn't even give you the, hey,

1:14:45SPEAKERyeah, you gotta pull these dependencies too.

1:14:48SPEAKERBut I knew how to do it.

1:14:50SPEAKERAnd that was something that wouldn't have been the case

1:14:51SPEAKERtwo years ago, three years ago.

1:14:53SPEAKER- All right. - Linux.

1:14:54SPEAKER- Calling an end to the questions.

1:14:56SPEAKER- If you have questions,

1:14:57SPEAKERyou can send them to techpod@content.town

1:14:59SPEAKERor post them on the Discord

1:15:00SPEAKERin the Question Seeking Answers channel.

1:15:01SPEAKERWhat, you're not in the Discord, you say?

1:15:03SPEAKERWould you like to get in the Discord?

1:15:04SPEAKERWould you like to be a part of the fabulous TechPod Discord?

1:15:08SPEAKERYou can. - Yes.

1:15:09SPEAKERThat sounds pretty cool.

1:15:10SPEAKER- Brad, you're already in there, come on.

1:15:13SPEAKER- If you weren't in the Discord,

1:15:14SPEAKERthis would be really embarrassing for me, okay?

1:15:17SPEAKER- Trying to play the part here.

1:15:18SPEAKER- Oh, oh, oh, we need, I forgot.

1:15:21SPEAKERYou're used to doing, I had reads as characters.

1:15:24SPEAKERBut no, if you wanna join the Discord,

1:15:25SPEAKERyou can go to patreon.com/techpod.

1:15:27SPEAKERAnd for five bucks a month, you get access to the Discord.

1:15:30SPEAKERYou get the fabulous patron episode

1:15:32SPEAKERwhere we're probably gonna answer some more questions

1:15:33SPEAKER'cause there were quite a few good ones this month.

1:15:35SPEAKERAnd there's a bunch of other,

1:15:39SPEAKERwell, I mean, those are the two big things you get, I guess.

1:15:42SPEAKERThere's not a bunch of other stuff.

1:15:43SPEAKERBut those are very good things.

1:15:45SPEAKER- It's either answering more questions or,

1:15:47SPEAKERanswering more questions is the only way to stop me

1:15:48SPEAKERfrom talking about Python and WireGuard the whole time, so.

1:15:51SPEAKER- I've been using WireGuard pretty extensively

1:15:53SPEAKERwhile I've been gone.

1:15:54SPEAKERIt's been quite nice 'cause I can shell into a Linux machine

1:15:56SPEAKERat home and didn't have to bring it with me.

1:15:58SPEAKER- Are you running it on the B-Link?

1:15:59SPEAKER- I am running WireGuard on my home assistant.

1:16:02SPEAKER- Oh, on your yellow? - 'Cause I'm on

1:16:03SPEAKERthe home assistant yellow with the Pi 4.

1:16:06SPEAKER- Oh yeah, that's the CM4, right?

1:16:08SPEAKERSo it's basically the compute power of a Pi 4.

1:16:11SPEAKERThat's exactly what I am.

1:16:13SPEAKERI am putting WireGuard on a Pi 4.

1:16:15SPEAKERHow's the throughput been?

1:16:16SPEAKER- Absolutely fantastic.

1:16:18SPEAKER- Oh man, that sounds awesome.

1:16:19SPEAKERI've got some routing issues to solve that are vexing me,

1:16:22SPEAKERbut that sounds awesome.

1:16:23SPEAKER- I will tell you, it was fine even running on the Pi 3

1:16:27SPEAKERwhen the home assistant was on the Pi 3.

1:16:29SPEAKERThe nice thing about WireGuard, very lightweight.

1:16:32SPEAKERSo I used that to like do,

1:16:35SPEAKERI had to restart the Plex server the other day

1:16:36SPEAKERand I was able to do that from the WireGuard.

1:16:38SPEAKERThis is the kind of stuff we talk about

1:16:39SPEAKERin the patron episode.

1:16:40SPEAKERWe do it once a month.

1:16:41SPEAKERWe're going to record this month's tomorrow, I think.