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1: We're Gonna Need JNCOs For That

2019-09-15 · 55:14

00:00SPEAKERWelcome to Episode 1 of Brad and Will Make a Tech Pod, Period.

00:04SPEAKERWe're making a tech pod?

00:05SPEAKERWe're making a tech pod, Brad.

00:06SPEAKERI'm going to emerge from my tech pod fully formed.

00:09SPEAKERLook, if I can blast out of a pod one time in my life, I'll consider it fulfilled.

00:30SPEAKERI'm Will.

00:46SPEAKERI'm Brad.

00:48SPEAKERHello.

00:49SPEAKERWe're making a podcast.

00:50SPEAKERI know, we did an episode that you haven't heard because we didn't tell anybody about

00:53SPEAKERit.

00:54SPEAKERHave they not heard that one?

00:55SPEAKERWell, it's on the feed.

00:56SPEAKEROh.

00:57SPEAKERAnd it's on iTunes.

00:58SPEAKERBut I didn't tweet about it, I don't think.

00:59SPEAKERI'm sorry I did.

01:00SPEAKERWho knows?

01:01SPEAKERSomebody's going to work backwards.

01:02SPEAKERDiscover all of our dark secrets.

01:03SPEAKERThey can find out the origin story.

01:04SPEAKERBut this week, it's a big news week.

01:06SPEAKERYeah.

01:07SPEAKERAs I learned about 12 hours ago?

01:09SPEAKERYeah, you're really dialed into the tech news scene, I can tell.

01:11SPEAKERThis one really snuck up on me.

01:13SPEAKERWell, I'll let you say what it is and then I will tell you how they've all kind of run

01:16SPEAKERtogether for me at this point.

01:18SPEAKERWell, first we should probably say what the show is.

01:20SPEAKERIt's about tech.

01:21SPEAKERThere you go.

01:22SPEAKERYeah, it's a tech podcast with two middle-aged white guys.

01:25SPEAKERAnd we're going to cover--

01:26SPEAKERRadical innovations in the podcast space.

01:28SPEAKERThere is a radical innovation.

01:31SPEAKERInstead of being about every topic of the week, we're just picking one.

01:34SPEAKERThat's about a topic.

01:35SPEAKEROne topic.

01:36SPEAKEROkay.

01:37SPEAKERThis week's topic?

01:38SPEAKERNew iPhone launch.

01:39SPEAKEROh.

01:40SPEAKEROkay.

01:41SPEAKERApple keynote Tuesday.

01:42SPEAKERGet down to the iPhone.

01:43SPEAKERMaybe there's a little aside about, I think, what I assume we want to do with this podcast.

01:47SPEAKERI mean, this week we have a ton of just newsy stuff to cover.

01:51SPEAKERUsually.

01:52SPEAKERNormally, I think we would kind of deep dive into stuff a little more.

01:54SPEAKERYeah, I think that's fair.

01:56SPEAKERThis is just a normalized tech podcast.

01:58SPEAKERRight.

01:59SPEAKERRight.

02:00SPEAKERWe're just kind of...

02:01SPEAKERBecause there's just a lot to get through.

02:02SPEAKERMaybe this should be episode zero.

02:03SPEAKERSo, yeah.

02:04SPEAKERIt snuck up on me because I don't think about iPhone events anymore because what is there

02:07SPEAKERto think about?

02:08SPEAKERI'm sorry.

02:09SPEAKERThat's a very negative way to start this.

02:10SPEAKERNo, but I mean, this is the point where the devices are kind of iterative and there's

02:16SPEAKERnot a lot that's new.

02:17SPEAKERI have an iPhone 10 that's now two years old.

02:21SPEAKEREven that, there were some kind of significant upgrades, but I feel like we hit the plateau

02:25SPEAKEReven before that.

02:26SPEAKERI'm probably okay.

02:27SPEAKERYeah.

02:28SPEAKERWell, the significant upgrade there was, hey, there's no buttons on the face and it's edge

02:31SPEAKERto edge.

02:32SPEAKERWhich I like.

02:33SPEAKERIs that really an upgrade?

02:34SPEAKERIs it really?

02:35SPEAKERI love the notch.

02:36SPEAKERI know you're a notch hater.

02:37SPEAKERMan, I hate the notch.

02:38SPEAKERYou just have to learn to live with the notch, man.

02:39SPEAKERI explicitly bought an iPhone 8 after the 10 was out because that's how much I hate

02:42SPEAKERthe notch.

02:43SPEAKERWow.

02:44SPEAKERYou know what I want?

02:45SPEAKERA rectangular screen with square corners.

02:47SPEAKERSharp, right angles.

02:48SPEAKERSomething pointy.

02:49SPEAKERRight angles.

02:50SPEAKERYou need a Windows phone.

02:51SPEAKERMaybe.

02:52SPEAKERI used a Windows phone.

02:53SPEAKERI did for a while.

02:54SPEAKERIt was a fine phone.

02:55SPEAKERIt was okay.

02:56SPEAKEROkay.

02:57SPEAKERSo Apple announced three new iPhones.

02:58SPEAKERYeah.

02:59SPEAKERA new human cost iPad.

03:03SPEAKERStarts at like 350, 380 bucks, something like that.

03:07SPEAKERNew services.

03:08SPEAKERYep.

03:09SPEAKERApple Watch Series 5.

03:10SPEAKERRight.

03:11SPEAKERWe're going to talk about it all.

03:12SPEAKERYes.

03:13SPEAKERIn 45-ish minutes.

03:14SPEAKEROkay.

03:15SPEAKERStarting now.

03:16SPEAKEROkay.

03:17SPEAKERSo iPhone 11.

03:18SPEAKERThis is the entry level iPhone.

03:19SPEAKERThey make you wait to get all the way to the end with all the bullshit.

03:21SPEAKERIt starts at 700 bucks.

03:23SPEAKERWhich is, I believe, cheaper.

03:24SPEAKERIt's like 50 bucks cheaper.

03:25SPEAKERIt's cheaper than the iPhone XR, which was the previous entry level iPhone.

03:28SPEAKERSeems like the big news this year is that they just kind of renamed the product line.

03:32SPEAKERThey re-centered the product line.

03:34SPEAKERIt's the same three models.

03:36SPEAKERThey've just moved where the baseline is.

03:38SPEAKERAnd they made them all iPhone 11s now.

03:40SPEAKERSo this is iPhone 11, 11, not Xi, because that would be really dumb.

03:47SPEAKERIt is an A13 processor.

03:50SPEAKERIt has the LCD-ish screen from the last generation, it seems like.

03:54SPEAKERWe're talking about the flat basic 11.

03:56SPEAKERThis is the flat basic 11.

03:57SPEAKERIt seems like a pretty good phone.

03:59SPEAKERThey're adding dual cameras is the big upgrade if you were an iPhone XR person previously.

04:04SPEAKERWhich means that you get a wide angle camera and a normal focal length camera, and it can

04:10SPEAKERuse them both simultaneously, which is kind of new.

04:12SPEAKERI mean, you could kind of, it kind of did that before, but the big shift seems to be

04:16SPEAKERthat with all three of these new phones, previously when you were shooting video on the iPhone

04:21SPEAKERX, you had to choose which camera you wanted before you started recording the video.

04:25SPEAKEROh, is that not still the case?

04:26SPEAKERSeems like that might not be the case anymore.

04:28SPEAKERSome of the stuff I read, like there is a camera view where it shows you kind of both

04:31SPEAKERviews at the same time, and you, I think you can still manually pick which one you want

04:35SPEAKERto shoot.

04:36SPEAKERThat is an app, and that is rad.

04:37SPEAKERSo that, that's on the higher end phones.

04:39SPEAKERI don't know if it's on the, on the 11, but with the Pros, you can shoot from two cameras

04:44SPEAKERat once.

04:45SPEAKERSo you can shoot a wide and a close up at the same time on the same device.

04:49SPEAKEROr I think this was just letting you select, like, here's what both cameras can see.

04:53SPEAKERYou can pick which one to shoot.

04:54SPEAKERSo that, so that's something that I think Bionic has always done, Bionic is the name

04:57SPEAKERof the app.

04:58SPEAKERIt's like a, it's like a here, it's like for filmmakers to choose which lens they want

05:01SPEAKERto use to choose a scene when they're framing it.

05:04SPEAKERThe thing that I blew me away on that was that you can actually shoot the selfie camera,

05:09SPEAKERthe forward facing camera and the, the, the other person camera.

05:13SPEAKERSo like you could record an interview.

05:15SPEAKERWe could record, we could record a podcast with just a phone stacked up between us.

05:19SPEAKERThat's too much.

05:20SPEAKERNo, we don't.

05:21SPEAKERNobody should do video podcasts.

05:22SPEAKERI kind of, I just caught this video presentation over somebody's shoulder, but did I see they

05:24SPEAKERwere demoing, like shooting a musical performance with an iPhone?

05:28SPEAKERThey did that.

05:29SPEAKERLike are they basically just turning this thing into like a pocket size production studio?

05:32SPEAKERIs that where they're, well, I mean, it's called a Pro, so.

05:34SPEAKERSo that was with the Pro.

05:35SPEAKERIt needs to be professional, I guess.

05:37SPEAKERUm, yeah, I mean, look, they've always done the, like, this is, this is the same thing

05:40SPEAKERthat they always do.

05:42SPEAKERThey give the iPhone to a bunch of really talented professional photographers and give

05:45SPEAKERthem $10,000 or what, you know, whatever amount of money and say, go out in the world and

05:49SPEAKERtake some awesome photographs.

05:50SPEAKERAnd then they come back and they take awesome photographs.

05:53SPEAKERIf you give those same cameras, like a janky 1990s style, like disposable windup camera

05:59SPEAKERwith the plastic lens and all the badness, send them out in the world, give them a budget

06:03SPEAKERto go someplace awesome.

06:04SPEAKERThey're going to take awesome photos, pretty good photo.

06:06SPEAKERYeah.

06:07SPEAKERIt's like if you, the real test is to give it to my six year old and be like, Hey, can

06:10SPEAKERthis, can this make the six year old photos look good?

06:12SPEAKERAnd yeah, it's up and down.

06:15SPEAKERUm, same thing with the video.

06:16SPEAKERLike they had the iPhone mounted on a dolly and they were trucking, they were, you know,

06:20SPEAKERthey were, they were, um, uh, trucking in and out doing all sorts of like really beautiful

06:25SPEAKERmovements.

06:26SPEAKERAnd it looked great.

06:27SPEAKERThe video looked terrific.

06:28SPEAKERI just, I guess I'm kind of surprised that the cameras are still the point of innovation

06:32SPEAKERwith these things.

06:33SPEAKERIt turns out the cameras are why people upgrade the phone.

06:36SPEAKERLike, like I'm at this point, we've seen enough people like leading with cameras first when

06:42SPEAKERthey introduce new hardware, both on the Android and iOS side, there is substantial market

06:47SPEAKERdata.

06:48SPEAKERI've not seen it.

06:49SPEAKERThere's substantial market data that says the only reason people ever buy new phones

06:52SPEAKERis because of the camera.

06:53SPEAKERAlso, it seems like there was just a way higher ceiling for things to improve there.

06:56SPEAKERRight.

06:57SPEAKERLike, I mean, cause like software performance is fine and has been for what three, four

07:01SPEAKERyears at least like the phones are fast.

07:03SPEAKERSo like a faster CPU doesn't really move the needle for anybody at this point, right?

07:07SPEAKERI think that's fair.

07:08SPEAKERLike I think that's exactly, you know, like kind of flash in the pan stuff like 3d touch

07:11SPEAKERdoesn't matter to anybody.

07:12SPEAKERLike, I guess the camera is really the only thing that most people see like a tangible

07:16SPEAKERbenefit from.

07:17SPEAKERRight.

07:18SPEAKERI mean, once the screen is AR maybe a little bit, but even that is a camera.

07:20SPEAKERWell, they didn't talk about AR today at all, which is really interesting because that to

07:22SPEAKERme says, Oh, that's right.

07:23SPEAKERCause it was a big focus last time, right?

07:26SPEAKERMaybe all of their AR stuff is going into a different device, not the phone right now.

07:30SPEAKERHuh?

07:31SPEAKERSo they, they, uh, it seems like the cameras, the cameras lenses are bigger, like there's

07:36SPEAKERmore glass, which will have a definitive improvement on the, on the image quality where the camera

07:41SPEAKERhump is a site like, look, they're machining that back glass now, Brad, it's uh, I assume

07:47SPEAKERthat that stuff is explodes.

07:49SPEAKERLike, I can't even imagine machining glass seems really scary.

07:52SPEAKERUm, but yeah, so the, it's still the same basic design as the iPhone 10, all of these

07:57SPEAKERphones are, uh, glass back the, actually the 10 might have a stainless back.

08:01SPEAKERI, it looks like, no, no, it's machine glass as well.

08:04SPEAKERI think I saw that it's, um, God, what was the term they used?

08:08SPEAKERIt's basically not polished glass anymore.

08:10SPEAKERThere's like a matte glass and that's somehow more durable.

08:13SPEAKERUm, well, I mean, it'll less likely to slide out of your hands.

08:16SPEAKERI don't know if you've held an iPhone 10 without a case on.

08:18SPEAKERYeah, I've got this eight that's got the same back on it.

08:21SPEAKERDoes it have the glass back or no, it has an aluminum back.

08:23SPEAKERDoesn't it?

08:24SPEAKERNo, it's got the glass.

08:25SPEAKEROh yeah.

08:26SPEAKERThe eight did.

08:27SPEAKERYeah.

08:28SPEAKERSo it's the stainless steel frame with the aluminum back.

08:29SPEAKERThe 11 is aluminum is an aluminum band.

08:31SPEAKERThe 11 pro is a stainless band around the edge.

08:35SPEAKERUm, so it's shinier.

08:36SPEAKEROh sure.

08:37SPEAKERShinier metal.

08:38SPEAKERRight.

08:39SPEAKERUm, it starts at 64 gigs for the 11 stock.

08:42SPEAKERThey're still doing that thing.

08:44SPEAKERI think, I think that's the right spot.

08:46SPEAKERLike 64 gigs seems like, look, well, it's more than flash memory is so cheap that they

08:50SPEAKERcould easily start at 128.

08:53SPEAKERSo the bummer is they're not, there's no 128 gig model anymore.

08:56SPEAKERThey've always done that.

08:57SPEAKERThey've always skipped a notch.

08:58SPEAKERWell, they didn't always, but in recent memory.

09:00SPEAKERYes.

09:01SPEAKERFor a very long time.

09:02SPEAKERSo it's 64 gigs, which is a decent base model.

09:03SPEAKERI think.

09:04SPEAKERI think even if you're shooting 4k video, if you're using like a cloud service for your

09:07SPEAKERbackup of your photos and video, that's not going to matter.

09:10SPEAKERYou're like, you're not going to fill that thing up.

09:11SPEAKERI can take a 64 gig iPad and load up all the movies and stuff I wanted and go on an airplane.

09:17SPEAKERRight.

09:18SPEAKERIt's no big deal.

09:19SPEAKERIt jumps from there to 256, uh, and from there to 512 and it's a $150 bump from $600 for

09:26SPEAKERthe 64 gig to 750 for the 256 gig, which seems substantial.

09:31SPEAKERYeah.

09:32SPEAKERUm, so now the, that's, that's kind of it.

09:35SPEAKERLike there's not a ton going on there.

09:36SPEAKERYeah.

09:37SPEAKERIt's not, I mean, I don't know what I was hoping for.

09:39SPEAKERLike I said, I'd barely pay attention to these events now because they're all the same and

09:43SPEAKERhave been for like, I guess, OLED screens a couple of years ago were a big deal, but

09:48SPEAKERlike before that, when was the last time an iPhone was super exciting?

09:51SPEAKERWell, so these, I don't think that this is the OLED screen.

09:54SPEAKERI need to look that up and see, but um, in the new ones, in the 11 pros, the 11 pro is

09:58SPEAKERdefinitely on the screen.

10:00SPEAKERThe 11 is probably an LCD.

10:01SPEAKERSo, I mean, that's like kind of the big story to me is that they've just changed which one

10:05SPEAKERis the entry level phone versus which one is the budget phone, which versus which one

10:09SPEAKERis, you know what I mean?

10:10SPEAKERWell, they just changed the name.

10:11SPEAKERRight.

10:12SPEAKERBecause last time it was, last time it was 10 and 10S.

10:14SPEAKERNo, I'm sorry.

10:15SPEAKERLast time it was 10S.

10:16SPEAKERI'm sorry.

10:17SPEAKERLast time it was 10S and 10S max.

10:18SPEAKERAnd then 10R.

10:19SPEAKERAnd then the 10R came out.

10:20SPEAKERYeah.

10:21SPEAKERBut like, what does that mean to the average person when they hear 10R?

10:23SPEAKERLike it's meaningless, right?

10:24SPEAKERWell, so that, that's exactly it.

10:25SPEAKERIt was the budget, it was the budget model, but they didn't actually explain that in the

10:28SPEAKERname.

10:29SPEAKERWell, so now the entry level phone has the same name as the high-end phone.

10:31SPEAKERThat's what I mean.

10:32SPEAKERThat's what I mean.

10:33SPEAKERLike just the baseline phone is the one with the plain name.

10:34SPEAKERThey should have just called this one the iPhone and started with the one again.

10:38SPEAKERSure.

10:39SPEAKERThat's a joke.

10:40SPEAKERI'm going to try to resist saying this all the time, but Jobs never would have allowed

10:42SPEAKERthis.

10:43SPEAKERI, I mean, on one hand, as somebody who likes to act like an egalitarian on occasion, I

10:51SPEAKERfeel like it's good that they're selling products that aren't like when they went to a thousand

10:54SPEAKERdollar base price for the, for the, for the good.

10:56SPEAKEROh, I just mean, he never would have allowed this messy naming convention that well, this,

11:00SPEAKERthey tightened it up with this.

11:01SPEAKEROh, no, it's better now.

11:02SPEAKERYeah.

11:03SPEAKERI'm just saying you never would have allowed it to be that messy in the first place.

11:05SPEAKERI feel like that's probably true.

11:06SPEAKERYeah.

11:07SPEAKERLike there's an inelegance to, I think, I feel like there's an inelegance to a lot of

11:09SPEAKERwhat Apple does these days that wasn't there before.

11:12SPEAKERIt's it's, it's, I mean, they're also doing a ton more products.

11:15SPEAKERLike it's messy because there's like, yeah, if you think about like iPhone four launch,

11:20SPEAKERit was one, one device in one color, you can get any color you wanted as long as it was

11:24SPEAKERblack.

11:25SPEAKERSure.

11:26SPEAKERI think they rolled out white with the five and then that doubled the number of skews

11:30SPEAKERthey had.

11:31SPEAKERAnd then like the, the plus came along at some point, I just, yeah, they did the big

11:34SPEAKERboy.

11:35SPEAKERLike I also feel like max is a weirdly, uh, max is an unfortunate name.

11:38SPEAKERYeah.

11:39SPEAKERI mean, shout out to our friends named max, but, um, I feel like, uh, I feel like the

11:45SPEAKERmax max as a, Hey, this is the big boy is weird.

11:49SPEAKERI feel like plus was pretty good.

11:50SPEAKERIt feels kind of discordant to me with the image they try to project of being like a,

11:55SPEAKERI don't know, a Rolex or a Mercedes, like a premium goods company.

12:00SPEAKERYou know what I mean?

12:01SPEAKERI mean like a, like a high class lifestyle kind of brand kind of like to call a thing

12:05SPEAKERlike the max is just, I mean, I just caught, but I had a big one of the, one of the big

12:10SPEAKERones.

12:11SPEAKERI just called it the Duke.

12:12SPEAKERThat was, that was my name for the phone.

12:13SPEAKERWell, that's your, that's your iPhone head Canon.

12:15SPEAKERThat's yeah.

12:16SPEAKERYeah.

12:17SPEAKERI feel like, um, I don't know.

12:18SPEAKERLike something like that makes me think of like jumbo laundry detergent or something.

12:21SPEAKERYeah.

12:22SPEAKERIt does.

12:23SPEAKERIt does have like a Mr. Sparkle kind of shine into it.

12:25SPEAKERYeah.

12:26SPEAKERSo the thing about it is at least, you know, that that's the big one, like plus and pro

12:30SPEAKERboth indicate that it could just be better.

12:32SPEAKERYeah.

12:33SPEAKERWhereas max max is undeniably large.

12:35SPEAKERThat's fair.

12:36SPEAKERUm, I, I liked it.

12:38SPEAKERThey're doing colors again and they're doing the anodized aluminum colors.

12:41SPEAKERSo there's a purple, white, yellow, green, red and black.

12:45SPEAKERWow.

12:46SPEAKERAnd it's the purple looks good.

12:47SPEAKERThe green always looks good.

12:48SPEAKERThe green, the green on the pro is like a dark green.

12:51SPEAKERIt looks almost black.

12:52SPEAKERI want to see that one in person.

12:54SPEAKERI don't think I'm buying any of these phones for the record.

12:56SPEAKERI think I'm probably good.

12:57SPEAKERI think I'm good.

12:58SPEAKERAlso.

12:59SPEAKERUm, why, what's the point?

13:00SPEAKERUh, they, they made a point to talk about spatial audio using fat sound fields for watching

13:04SPEAKERmovies without headphones on.

13:07SPEAKERUm, which I would say, I have to say that like the sound on the iPhone 10 and the iPad

13:11SPEAKERpro 12 inch, the square edge one is astounding, like it's, it's super duper good.

13:18SPEAKERUh, so if they can get some of that in there, I guess that's fine.

13:21SPEAKERI feel like, um, adding the wider, wider, wider camera.

13:26SPEAKERSo on the iPhone 10 they did a telephoto camera and a wider angle camera.

13:30SPEAKERSo you had like a way to do closeups and way to do closer ones, uh, wider shots.

13:34SPEAKERI'm kind of stoked that they're switching for a wide cause I feel like I use wides.

13:38SPEAKERLike the, the experience with shooting a telephoto on an iPhone is always bad and I feel like

13:43SPEAKERthe experience with shooting wide angle on like a pixel or something like that has been

13:46SPEAKERreally nice in that like if you want to do a selfie with five people and you hold the

13:49SPEAKERphone out like this and you can get all five people in the shop without having to use a

13:52SPEAKERtripod or recruit some stranger to shoot the picture, stuff like that.

13:56SPEAKERI think, I think that's a good change or I, other than that, I'm like, eh, very iterative.

14:03SPEAKERYeah, very much so.

14:05SPEAKERAnd it's, it was also telling me that they're keeping the iPhone eight around.

14:08SPEAKERSo the iPhone eight is still going to be around.

14:10SPEAKERIt's at a much lower price point for people, presumably who want the button.

14:15SPEAKERI have to assume maybe there's some like people who can't have cameras on their phones or

14:18SPEAKERsomething like that still have to have the cameras disabled.

14:21SPEAKERSo face ID doesn't work for them.

14:23SPEAKERUm, or maybe, maybe they just need a phone for the olds who don't want, um, don't want

14:29SPEAKERto look at the camera.

14:30SPEAKERI bought an iPhone eight.

14:31SPEAKERUm, there were some rumors, a wild act that they had found a way to, uh, integrate the

14:37SPEAKERtouch sensor under the screen.

14:39SPEAKERSo there's patents about that from a bunch of different places that the touch ID ultimately

14:43SPEAKERwill come back once they can figure that out, maybe, I mean, presumably, so the way it works

14:47SPEAKERis that there's a sensor that lives just underneath the surface of the screen and it picks up

14:51SPEAKERthe capacity.

14:52SPEAKERIt picks up enough capacitance to tell the darks, the world, all that stuff, find enough

14:57SPEAKERresolution.

14:58SPEAKERI assume presumably they're either not happy with it yet, or they think that there's more

15:03SPEAKERlegs on the face ID.

15:05SPEAKERUm, and, and having the, the ability to do the depth camera stuff seems good.

15:10SPEAKEROh, they did mention that they, that now they're doing stereo with the, with the multiple cameras

15:15SPEAKERon the iPhone 11, which wasn't, I feel like the iPhone XR maybe had that, but the iPhone

15:20SPEAKEReight is a single camera.

15:22SPEAKERSo you can do portrait mode photos of things that it doesn't recognize as a face.

15:26SPEAKERSo um, uh, for example, Google and Apple have been doing portrait mode on human faces because

15:32SPEAKERthey can recognize with the machine learning where the faces, um, and they can cut out

15:37SPEAKERthe, you know, they can say, okay, this is a human face, so let's depth of field out

15:41SPEAKERthe background.

15:42SPEAKERNo problem.

15:43SPEAKERIf you tried to do that with your dog on a single camera, iPhone, it's not going to work

15:46SPEAKERbecause it didn't recognize the dog.

15:47SPEAKERAnd now with the two cameras, it can just say, okay, you want this in focus and everything

15:50SPEAKERelse out of focus, which is, you guys have gotten smart enough to identify a dog.

15:53SPEAKERNo, they, they're using two cameras so they don't have to identify the dog.

15:56SPEAKERYeah.

15:57SPEAKERLife hack.

15:58SPEAKERUm, um, oh, other good thing.

16:00SPEAKERThis is an iOS feature that's presumably coming everywhere, but if you tap and hold the shutter

16:04SPEAKERwhen you're making a video, uh, taking a photo, it'll just go ahead and turn that into a video.

16:10SPEAKERSo just keep shooting video.

16:11SPEAKERIt's kind of like a natural extension of live video.

16:14SPEAKERUm, uh, and this is the first one that has the A13, which is the next SOC from Apple.

16:20SPEAKERRight.

16:21SPEAKERUm, they specifically said it is 8.5 billion transistors.

16:25SPEAKERUh, uh, I looked up some other transistor counts, but it's, it's 3 billion for an Intel

16:30SPEAKERX 86 coffee lake CPU, which kind of has a GPU, but not really.

16:34SPEAKERUm, so that's, that's a lot of transistors.

16:37SPEAKERIt has dedicated machine learning models, uh, a controller to dedicate a CPU and GPU

16:43SPEAKERresources to the machine learning code as needed to not slow down the rest of the machine.

16:48SPEAKERWow.

16:49SPEAKERSo like you can say it can look at the code and say, Hey, this part should be running

16:52SPEAKERon the CPU.

16:53SPEAKERIt should be running on the GPU and dull it out and pull it back in before the machine

16:55SPEAKERslows down.

16:56SPEAKERAre they, are they still at the point where they're claiming like they're doubling performance

16:59SPEAKERyear over year, every year?

17:00SPEAKERThey did not.

17:01SPEAKERThey didn't say that this year?

17:02SPEAKEROne of the interesting things about this keynote, Brad, is that they did not use any, any relative

17:06SPEAKERmeasures.

17:07SPEAKERNo kidding.

17:08SPEAKEROkay.

17:09SPEAKERCause they've been saying exactly that for a very long time.

17:11SPEAKERSo I guess maybe they kind of, I would say we're at a process, we're at a situation where

17:15SPEAKERthat's probably not going to happen so much anymore.

17:17SPEAKEROkay.

17:18SPEAKERI figured that had to happen eventually.

17:19SPEAKERIt didn't seem sustainable.

17:20SPEAKERI mean, it happened on the CPU's a few years ago.

17:22SPEAKERYeah.

17:23SPEAKERWhich I don't, I don't want to get too far afield of the events of today, but that leads

17:26SPEAKERme to ask like when are MacBooks just going to start moving to these ARM based?

17:31SPEAKERLook, in 2013 I predicted when they started making their own SOC's that this is the end

17:36SPEAKERresult is that their laptops are going to be ARM based.

17:38SPEAKERYeah.

17:39SPEAKERIt is happening.

17:40SPEAKERThere's no doubt in my mind.

17:41SPEAKERIt's gotta be, it can't be that much farther off.

17:42SPEAKERLike they're positioning iPads against also, uh, Wintel laptops.

17:46SPEAKERYeah.

17:47SPEAKERYeah.

17:48SPEAKERDoesn't the new Mac OS have some kind of iOS compatibility layer?

17:51SPEAKERI don't know about that.

17:52SPEAKERMaybe.

17:53SPEAKERAlready.

17:54SPEAKERI thought that was the case.

17:55SPEAKERMaybe.

17:56SPEAKERCause like their new arcade service, the games will run on all their platforms.

17:58SPEAKERBut isn't that just a cross compile because of that stuff?

18:00SPEAKERYeah.

18:01SPEAKERThey're probably just ported, but I wonder if they're at least starting to lay the groundwork

18:04SPEAKERfor that stuff.

18:05SPEAKERI look, they've been doing that for a long time.

18:07SPEAKERIf you, if you look at how like the apps launching the Mac app store seven years ago is the beginning

18:12SPEAKERof the groundwork for that because it means that they can then either force people to

18:16SPEAKERcross compile for all the platforms when they want to submit their apps or, you know, just

18:21SPEAKERautomatically have it happen.

18:22SPEAKERSo do these, uh, again, real tangent here, but do these arm based, do these SOCs, um,

18:29SPEAKERscale well to higher clock speeds?

18:31SPEAKERLike if you're able to throw more, more voltage at one of these things and better cooling,

18:34SPEAKERcan you, I mean, it's like anything else, but the benefit of the idea is that this is

18:39SPEAKERperforming as well as a, like they've, they've reached a point where they're performing comparably

18:43SPEAKERto low end mobile chipsets now, especially if you factor in GPU performance.

18:48SPEAKERSo if you're doing stuff that requires, you know, 3d acceleration on the desktop, like

18:51SPEAKERvideo, like, you know, say 4k video playback or, um, any modern web renderer uses 3d accelerators

18:59SPEAKERat this point, right?

19:00SPEAKERThey've got all that stuff.

19:01SPEAKERThey've got all that stuff handled and built in because they can control, they control

19:04SPEAKERthe whole thing, right?

19:05SPEAKERSo, so they're not reliant on Intel's crappy GPUs to get games running on, on Mac books

19:11SPEAKERlike they are now.

19:12SPEAKERThey can just say, look, we want this GPU to kick ass and they, and they do that.

19:15SPEAKERAnd they did talk about performance.

19:16SPEAKERIt's faster, yada, yada, yada.

19:18SPEAKERBut the performance on mobile right now is such that, you know, uh, Qualcomm and Samsung

19:23SPEAKERhave lagged behind so far what Apple's been able to do over the last two or three generations

19:27SPEAKERthat like the thing that they're beating is last year's iPhone processor, not, not the

19:32SPEAKERlatest Qualcomm nine 45 or whatever it is.

19:36SPEAKERRight.

19:37SPEAKERUm, they also have machine learning, uh, matrix multiply.

19:40SPEAKERSo a lot of machine learning algorithms use matrix multiplication and they have dedicated

19:45SPEAKERslots on the, on the SOC for that, which looked like maybe somewhere between five and 10%

19:51SPEAKERof the overall SOC if their, if their map was like, they didn't say it was accurate,

19:55SPEAKERbut if it was, then that, that looks like about the size of the, of the dye, which is

19:59SPEAKERa ton.

20:00SPEAKERYeah.

20:01SPEAKERUm, did they give any examples for how that would be applied?

20:03SPEAKERUh, yeah, so it's like the face recognition, um, the focal plane stuff, like all of the

20:10SPEAKERSiri voice recognition, I have to assume uses that stuff at this point.

20:15SPEAKERUm, uh, probably even down to stuff like how they, if they're filtering email with that

20:20SPEAKERnow, which isn't out of the question, I don't know if they actually are, but my assumption

20:24SPEAKERis it's being used everywhere.

20:25SPEAKERThere's, there's also third party apps can have access to it cause there's API's that

20:29SPEAKERthey announced with at WWDC to tap into that stuff.

20:33SPEAKERUm, they're claiming that the battery for this is four times better than the iPhone

20:37SPEAKERXS.

20:39SPEAKERThat's for the, uh, sorry, that's the 11 pro.

20:42SPEAKERThat's what I wrote down.

20:43SPEAKERHuh?

20:44SPEAKERWas it, I thought I read it was four hours longer.

20:46SPEAKERFour hours.

20:47SPEAKERYeah.

20:48SPEAKERI said it is.

20:49SPEAKERI wrote four better.

20:50SPEAKERSo you're right.

20:51SPEAKERIt is four hours.

20:52SPEAKERFour X, I will go buy one immediately.

20:53SPEAKERThat's insane.

20:54SPEAKERIf it's a four day battery, I'd be right there.

20:55SPEAKERUm, was there some kind of optimization going on around that?

20:58SPEAKERSo around energy usage, part of it's the screen, it seems like, and then part of it's just

21:02SPEAKERthe normal, every time we do a new CPU, that's a pretty big pump.

21:06SPEAKERYeah.

21:07SPEAKERI think the phone's a little bit bigger.

21:09SPEAKERI didn't actually look at the specs, but it looks to me like the whole thing's just a

21:12SPEAKERlittle bit, a little bit larger.

21:13SPEAKERA little chunkier.

21:14SPEAKERUm, so that's, that's kind of the 11.

21:16SPEAKEROkay.

21:17SPEAKEROne last question.

21:18SPEAKERYeah.

21:19SPEAKERWhen is the notch going away?

21:20SPEAKERDude, or, or you gotta stop, you gotta stop with this notch business.

21:24SPEAKERAre they at least working actively on, on eliminating it?

21:28SPEAKERI don't...

21:29SPEAKERDo you think there is there R and D going on somewhere at Apple to remove like, cause

21:32SPEAKERwhat is it?

21:33SPEAKERIt's the, it's the front facing camera.

21:34SPEAKERYep.

21:35SPEAKERThere's probably...

21:36SPEAKERThe ear hole.

21:37SPEAKERYeah.

21:38SPEAKERThere's a couple of microphones.

21:39SPEAKERWell, I think that can be hidden.

21:40SPEAKERThere's an illuminator.

21:41SPEAKERI, I feel like, look, you gotta stop worrying and love the notch, man.

21:45SPEAKERI just, I really, I like what the, I like the pixels.

21:48SPEAKERLike there's a nice...

21:49SPEAKERIt has lovely round curves all around.

21:51SPEAKERIt's round all the way.

21:52SPEAKERIt's a pixel.

21:53SPEAKERThere's a nice symmetry to the way that their screen is uniform.

21:55SPEAKERWhich, which, well, one of the pixels has a bad notch though, has a real fat, chunky

21:58SPEAKERnotch.

21:59SPEAKEROh, maybe it's the newest one.

22:00SPEAKERI don't know which one I was looking at.

22:01SPEAKERI don't keep up actively with that stuff.

22:02SPEAKERI don't know if it was the...

22:03SPEAKERI don't like the Samsung phone that has the hole.

22:06SPEAKERIt just has like a hole where the camera is.

22:08SPEAKERI feel...

22:09SPEAKERI find that very disconcerting.

22:10SPEAKEROne of the Android, one of the flagship Android phones I just saw, which I'd swear was one

22:13SPEAKERof the newest pixels, had no notch and just was this kind of the same uniform shape on

22:17SPEAKERboth ends.

22:18SPEAKERWell, so there's no Pixel 4 yet.

22:19SPEAKERThey haven't announced that yet.

22:20SPEAKERSo I think that'll be later this year.

22:21SPEAKERI want to say stuff was leaking.

22:23SPEAKERThere's the Pixel 3 and 3 bit XL don't have any notches because they have a bar on the

22:29SPEAKERtop.

22:30SPEAKERThat must be what I was looking at.

22:31SPEAKERBut I think the Pixel 3a has a notch, I'm not sure.

22:34SPEAKERI'll stop asking about the notch for now.

22:35SPEAKERIt's okay.

22:36SPEAKERThe notch...

22:37SPEAKERLook, the notch...

22:38SPEAKERI was worried about the notch.

22:39SPEAKERI was ready to return the phone if the notch was bad.

22:41SPEAKERI stopped caring about the notch about three hours in.

22:43SPEAKERI'm sure I'm getting this two in three days, but...

22:45SPEAKERDo you know what the weird thing was about going to the notch phone?

22:48SPEAKERIs when they added the thing where you swipe from the top right corner to pull down the

22:51SPEAKERcontrol center, I started wearing out the top right corner of the case because I pull

22:56SPEAKERdown.

22:57SPEAKERYou do that so many times a day.

22:58SPEAKERHuh.

22:59SPEAKERYeah.

23:00SPEAKERIt's an inconvenient motion.

23:01SPEAKERAnyway.

23:02SPEAKERSo, okay.

23:03SPEAKERSo iPhone 11 Pro, it's the same stuff.

23:04SPEAKERIt's the A13 SoC.

23:10SPEAKERThey're relabeling the OLED panel because the contrast ratio and the brightness are better.

23:14SPEAKERAnd now it's the Super Retina XDR display.

23:16SPEAKERIt has a two million to one contrast ratio, which means that the blacks are really, really...

23:21SPEAKERWhen you need to have blacks that are really, really, really, really, really black.

23:26SPEAKERUtter absence of illumination.

23:28SPEAKERComplete, complete darkness.

23:30SPEAKERYou can do that.

23:35SPEAKERLet's see, that's it.

23:36SPEAKERThe battery's four hours better than the iPhone XS, which people said didn't like the battery

23:40SPEAKERtoo much.

23:42SPEAKERThey showed a deep fusion computational photography thing that is a beta or not happening at launch,

23:48SPEAKERwhere they take all three inputs from all three cameras and then use math and machine

23:53SPEAKERlearning and neuroscience nonsense to make the picture look really, really good.

23:58SPEAKERSuper focused on...

23:59SPEAKERSo they're relabeling it from components from each photo?

24:01SPEAKERYeah, they...

24:02SPEAKERThe most focused parts of each one?

24:03SPEAKERThey showed a guy with a knit sweater, cable knit sweater, and a really dense beard, and

24:09SPEAKERthe whole thing was in focus.

24:10SPEAKERSomething that would traditionally confuse the hell out of...

24:13SPEAKERYeah, and probably also jack up the image compression.

24:17SPEAKERSo it seemed like it was working within all the constraints.

24:22SPEAKERThe big deal is the third camera.

24:24SPEAKERSo the three cameras are the normal wide angle, which is a 26 millimeter equivalent F1.8 stop,

24:30SPEAKERso nice depth of field, really wide open aperture.

24:33SPEAKERZoom, which is a F2.0 equivalent, F2 stop, 52 millimeter equivalent.

24:41SPEAKERAnd the ultra wide, which is a 13 millimeter equivalent F2.4 with 120 degree field of view.

24:48SPEAKERAnd between the three cameras, they're now saying you get about a four times optical

24:51SPEAKERzoom.

24:52SPEAKERSo it seems like it merges between them seamlessly.

24:54SPEAKERWow.

24:55SPEAKERAnd...

24:56SPEAKERI saw that animation of somebody just sliding the fake dial.

24:59SPEAKERYeah, and when you're looking at the zoom, it shows you the wide grayed out, the part

25:07SPEAKERthat's not gonna be in the shot grayed out.

25:09SPEAKERI'm surprised they aren't just taking all three pictures every time, 'cause space is

25:13SPEAKERcheap.

25:14SPEAKERThey wanna sell bigger phones.

25:15SPEAKERWhy not give you the options?

25:16SPEAKERBut I understand why they wouldn't do that.

25:20SPEAKERIt seemed really, that part, it seems like it's very good.

25:24SPEAKERSo that's the thing.

25:26SPEAKERThe camera's good.

25:27SPEAKERWho knew?

25:28SPEAKERUntil they think of another thing.

25:29SPEAKEROh, and they're adding night mode, which is a pixel feature that's been on Android for

25:33SPEAKERa while, but it turns on automatically, which isn't the way, you have to select it on Android.

25:39SPEAKERAnd they bracket and combine images from both cameras, both cameras on the 11, presumably

25:44SPEAKERall three cameras on the Pro, to fuse them together, and it reduces blur and motion by

25:49SPEAKERlooking at the accelerometer and all the other stuff that it has access to.

25:52SPEAKERWhat's gonna happen decades from now when our record of this period of history exists

25:56SPEAKERin perfect, utter clarity.

26:00SPEAKERViewing history through the lens of bad 16 millimeter film and warping, decaying VHS tapes.

26:08SPEAKERYou know what I mean?

26:10SPEAKERThere's a feeling of peering back through time to a less civilized age when you look

26:14SPEAKERat that stuff.

26:15SPEAKEROh, we'll have that, because people have all the terrible Instagram filters that they use

26:18SPEAKERon all their pictures, and everything's bad digital zoom now.

26:24SPEAKERWe have a distinct look.

26:25SPEAKERWe still have a feeling.

26:26SPEAKERYeah, I guess you're right.

26:30SPEAKERSo that's iPhones.

26:31SPEAKERThey ship September 20th.

26:32SPEAKERYeah.

26:33SPEAKEROh, ship?

26:34SPEAKERYeah, that's what they said.

26:35SPEAKERThat's a lot sooner, right?

26:36SPEAKERYou can order them on Friday.

26:37SPEAKERThis Friday you can pre-order, and I think they ship on the 20th.

26:40SPEAKERI think it used to be a matter of weeks, right?

26:42SPEAKERThat's two weeks from today.

26:43SPEAKEROh, I mean like six weeks or more.

26:44SPEAKEROh no, it's always been two weeks.

26:46SPEAKERThey announce it, you order it the next Friday, and then you pick it up the Friday after.

26:50SPEAKERMaybe it was just one or two generations.

26:51SPEAKERI feel like there was a long delay.

26:53SPEAKERSo the very first one, they announced it, and then it was a long time before they started

26:56SPEAKERselling it, because they did everything in the market.

26:59SPEAKERThey always roll them out really fast so that they don't-- because basically, the time between

27:03SPEAKERthey announce a new one and the time when the new one ships, they're going to have no

27:08SPEAKERdisinterested customers coming in and buying iPhones, which is, I assume, a significant

27:12SPEAKERportion of their audience.

27:13SPEAKERThat's fair.

27:14SPEAKERBut yeah, so today is the 10th, and the 20th is 10 days from now.

27:18SPEAKERSo that's right.

27:19SPEAKERThat's a lot of talking about phones that inherently, I feel like, just aren't all that

27:24SPEAKERexciting.

27:25SPEAKERI mean, it's one of those things that's always like little tiny steps forward.

27:28SPEAKERYeah, nice iterative improvements, but--

27:30SPEAKERBut yeah, at the end of the day, they're not changing the world.

27:33SPEAKERIt's just a better iPhone.

27:34SPEAKERI mean, are phones ever going to change the world again?

27:35SPEAKEROr like that happened already, right?

27:37SPEAKERI think they're going to stop being phones and start being something else before they

27:40SPEAKERchange the world again.

27:42SPEAKERI mean, what would change the world is having something that's a different form factor.

27:51SPEAKERSo if you're talking about something that's like a cylinder that you pull the OLED screen

27:54SPEAKERout to look at when you want to use your phone, something that we haven't imagined yet.

27:59SPEAKERThe folding phone that Samsung's now actually going to-- they sold it, and they didn't sell

28:02SPEAKERit, and now they're selling it again, and they've changed the screen protector.

28:06SPEAKERDid you hear about this last year?

28:08SPEAKERVaguely.

28:09SPEAKERSo they released a phone that was folding.

28:10SPEAKERYes, I saw the hubbub around all the malfunctioning.

28:14SPEAKERWell, it had a flexible piece of glass on the front that was part of the physical screen.

28:19SPEAKERBut it looked like one of those screen protectors that you get when you get a new phone, so

28:22SPEAKERabout half the people pulled it off, and in doing so, just fucked up the phone beyond

28:27SPEAKERall recognition.

28:28SPEAKERSo it was not the phone's fault?

28:29SPEAKERIt was bad design.

28:30SPEAKERPoor design.

28:31SPEAKERYeah, I would say it was a sketchy design.

28:33SPEAKERYou want to take a break and talk about iPads and Apple phones?

28:36SPEAKERCool our jets a little bit before we get into the rest of the stuff.

28:40SPEAKEROkay, we'll be right back.

28:45SPEAKERHey, we're back!

28:49SPEAKERYep.

28:50SPEAKERI'm ready to watch your chili-- ooh, good segue.

28:53SPEAKEROh, man, I didn't know you were going to talk about the chili.

28:55SPEAKEROh, man, this chili smells so good, I can't not talk about the chili.

28:58SPEAKERI'm sorry.

28:59SPEAKERIt's okay.

29:00SPEAKERThat's what we get for recording at dinnertime.

29:01SPEAKERHey, look, this is a double podcast day for you.

29:03SPEAKERYou're doing the hard, heavy lifting here.

29:05SPEAKERThat's right.

29:06SPEAKEROkay, so watch an iPad.

29:07SPEAKERI think we should do it.

29:08SPEAKERWatch next?

29:09SPEAKERYeah, amazingly the Apple Watch seems to be the most interesting thing today.

29:14SPEAKERAs somebody who burned himself by buying an Apple Watch series-- now the Series Zero,

29:19SPEAKERthe one that they don't even acknowledge existed anymore.

29:22SPEAKERWhat do they actually call it?

29:23SPEAKERSeries Zero.

29:24SPEAKERThey just called it the Apple Watch when they released it.

29:26SPEAKERThey're like, "Here's a $10,000 gold watch.

29:28SPEAKERYou're going to use this for the rest of your life."

29:30SPEAKERAnd then it was like end of life three years later.

29:33SPEAKERYeah.

29:34SPEAKERNot bitter.

29:35SPEAKERThis new one actually seems good.

29:36SPEAKERThe Series Five, it's a little bit bigger, comes in a bunch of colors.

29:42SPEAKERThey're adding titanium.

29:43SPEAKERThe ceramic is back.

29:46SPEAKERAluminum starts at $329.

29:47SPEAKEROh, really?

29:48SPEAKERSorry, $399 for GPS models, $500 for cellular models.

29:53SPEAKERAnd it has a feature that I didn't know I wanted until I heard about it.

29:56SPEAKERWhich is?

29:57SPEAKERIt stays on all the time.

29:58SPEAKERYeah, who knew that having a watch that you can look at at any moment--

30:03SPEAKERI mean, it seems useful.

30:05SPEAKERYeah.

30:06SPEAKERBut I guess I didn't realize it was feasible in any sense.

30:08SPEAKERSo Android watches have been doing it for years.

30:10SPEAKERYeah.

30:11SPEAKERI mean, that's literally the only good-- having had an Android Wear watch, literally the only

30:15SPEAKERthing good about Android Wear watches that the OLED screens would stay on.

30:20SPEAKERThey're using a new-- it's not that new.

30:22SPEAKERThey used it in the last year's watch, too, it seems like.

30:24SPEAKERIt's called an LTPO, a low temperature polycrystalline oxide back for display.

30:30SPEAKERSo it's the thing that makes-- that sits behind the display and lights up the display.

30:34SPEAKERAnd the benefit seems to be that you can run it at very low refresh rates with a commensurate

30:38SPEAKERdrop in power.

30:39SPEAKERSo to recap, OLED screens, if they're showing black, totally off.

30:43SPEAKERRight.

30:44SPEAKERThere's no power drawn by those pixels.

30:45SPEAKERNo power consumption.

30:46SPEAKERBut--

30:47SPEAKERUnless it's colored.

30:48SPEAKERYeah, unless it-- but as soon as one of the other colors comes on, there's power consumption.

30:51SPEAKERRight.

30:52SPEAKERAnd this lets them drop the refresh rate when it's in the low power mode so that it only

30:56SPEAKERupdates a couple of times a second.

30:57SPEAKERWhich is crazy.

30:58SPEAKERI mean-- But the image still persists on the screen?

31:00SPEAKERThe image persists on the screen long enough, yeah.

31:03SPEAKERI think that's really cool.

31:04SPEAKERI think that's good.

31:05SPEAKERLike, the interesting thing to me was how they positioned this.

31:07SPEAKERSo like, they opened the Apple Watch segment with a-- with their normal inspirational kind

31:12SPEAKERof bullshit video.

31:13SPEAKERBut then it turned out to be about people who attributed the Apple Watch with saving

31:17SPEAKERtheir lives.

31:18SPEAKERYeah.

31:19SPEAKERSounds like it's actually quietly becoming the sort of most revered feature of the Apple

31:24SPEAKERWatch.

31:25SPEAKERLike, it seems like-- It came out of nowhere.

31:26SPEAKERThe health stuff seems like it's the thing that has really kind of captured the public

31:28SPEAKERimagination.

31:29SPEAKERHey, Brad, do you want to die?

31:30SPEAKERNot especially.

31:31SPEAKERWell, if you buy this watch and you have a heart attack, it might keep you from dying.

31:35SPEAKEROh, OK.

31:36SPEAKERBut in a very carefully worded way that definitely was vetted by layers upon layers of attorneys.

31:41SPEAKERSure.

31:42SPEAKERNo, they had-- they had-- let's see, they had an older guy who'd been, like, walking

31:49SPEAKERor running and passed out and fell, and the watch-- like, the watch-- if it detects a

31:54SPEAKERfall, it will automatically call.

31:56SPEAKERYou have to turn that feature on.

31:57SPEAKERWow.

31:58SPEAKERIt's for, you know, elderly people, mostly, I assume.

32:00SPEAKERYeah, it just-- it seems like the risk of a false positive would be pretty high with

32:02SPEAKERsomething like that.

32:03SPEAKERWell, it gives you-- like, if you're conscious, it gives you enough opportunity to turn it--

32:06SPEAKERto, like, stop it.

32:07SPEAKERSure.

32:08SPEAKERYou can always just press and hold the button, and it'll-- it'll do an emergency call, like,

32:11SPEAKERif you're in a position-- like, if you're locked in somebody's trunk or something.

32:16SPEAKERIt seemed-- it-- like, it was a very compelling thing, and especially since they added the

32:20SPEAKEREKG with the Series 4, if you have heart conditions, like, if you have atrial fibrillation or--

32:25SPEAKERor, you know, something that-- that is potentially life-threatening but infrequent and undetectable

32:29SPEAKERunless you're in a hospital or hooked up to an EKG, it seems pretty good.

32:34SPEAKERThey talked-- they had a mom who had a pregnancy complication and had to do an emergency c-section,

32:39SPEAKERand the watch was like, hey, your heart rate's high, your EKG is weird, you should go to

32:42SPEAKERthe doctor.

32:43SPEAKERYeah.

32:44SPEAKERStuff like that.

32:45SPEAKERIt was-- it was-- it's-- it's-- it is a-- it has quietly become a reason that I would

32:49SPEAKERlike to get an apple.

32:50SPEAKERTotally.

32:51SPEAKERLike, it's an actual selling point.

32:52SPEAKERYeah.

32:53SPEAKERNot just a, oh, I guess that's nice.

32:54SPEAKERYeah.

32:55SPEAKERThat that's there.

32:56SPEAKERThe thing I was going to say is, like, on a normal week, I would want to talk for a

32:58SPEAKERwhile about, like, where the sensors are in that thing, because I-- I always figured the--

33:01SPEAKERI always thought the underside of the wrist was where all the really valuable telemetry

33:05SPEAKERis available.

33:06SPEAKERSo it--

33:07SPEAKERSo I'm-- I'm-- I'm surprised that at the top of the wrist, it's actually able to collect

33:10SPEAKERthat much.

33:11SPEAKERWhat do you mean?

33:12SPEAKEROh, so--

33:13SPEAKERLike, you know, you always-- you always check pulse.

33:14SPEAKERWell, you-- but pulse-- pulse and EKG are different things.

33:17SPEAKEREKG is nerves-- nerve impulses.

33:19SPEAKERSo it can-- it can apparently lift those through the skin.

33:21SPEAKERThere's-- there's conductors on the back of the thing.

33:23SPEAKEROK.

33:24SPEAKERAnd it can get those from the skin, apparently.

33:25SPEAKERI see.

33:26SPEAKERI don't-- I don't know.

33:27SPEAKERThat-- that's-- that's hard science there.

33:28SPEAKERYeah.

33:29SPEAKERBut they--

33:30SPEAKERThat's the anatomy.

33:31SPEAKERWell, so the thing that was interesting was they talked about the health studies that

33:33SPEAKERthey've done over the last couple of years, one of which was the heart survey, which they

33:38SPEAKERdid with, I think, Apple Watch 2-- Series 2 and newer owners, where they collected just

33:44SPEAKERa ton of heartbeat data from millions and millions of people, and as a result got a

33:48SPEAKERreally good idea of what, like, average heart-- like, a better idea than we've ever had before

33:52SPEAKERwhat an average heart rate is.

33:54SPEAKERIs that data collection that people had to opt into?

33:56SPEAKERYou had to opt in.

33:57SPEAKEROK.

33:58SPEAKERYou had to actually-- like, I-- I went and actually tried to do it, and then they were

33:59SPEAKERlike, you know, your watch is too shitty, we can't use you.

34:02SPEAKERBut you had to sign, like, a normal human study waiver and all that stuff, as if you

34:05SPEAKERwere going to use CSF and, like, participating in it as a data study.

34:08SPEAKERWell, that's-- you know, that's the kind of data collection that you can maybe feel good

34:11SPEAKERabout.

34:12SPEAKERYeah.

34:13SPEAKERAnd-- and they did-- I feel like they made actual promises about not using it for, like,

34:17SPEAKERnefarious stuff, which is-- which is interesting, they--

34:19SPEAKERPromised not to funnel it to your insurance company.

34:21SPEAKERUm, I don't know if they did that.

34:23SPEAKERI don't remember that part.

34:24SPEAKERI would hope so.

34:25SPEAKERI would hope so.

34:26SPEAKERUm, they did say it was going to be anonymized, so.

34:28SPEAKERYeah.

34:29SPEAKERYou know, the normal thing.

34:30SPEAKERYeah.

34:31SPEAKERUh, they announced two new-- two or three new studies, uh, and apps.

34:35SPEAKEROne of them is a hearing study, uh, which means that they're using the microphone.

34:38SPEAKERSo the interesting thing about the watch, you hit it, is it has a bunch of really interesting

34:42SPEAKERinstrumentation.

34:43SPEAKERThere's microphones, there's barometric pressure sensors, there's, um--

34:45SPEAKEROh, I didn't even know about that.

34:47SPEAKERYeah, it has that so you can tell when you're going up and down stairs.

34:49SPEAKERUh, it has GPS, it has, um, uh, it has a compass now, so your GPS is going to be more accurate.

34:57SPEAKERYeah.

34:58SPEAKERI-- I read that, um, it kind of basically gives a, um, there's kind of a rating of confidence

35:04SPEAKERalong with the compass.

35:05SPEAKERThat makes sense.

35:06SPEAKERLike, it basically tells you how-- how confident it is that it's accurate at a given time.

35:10SPEAKERWell, like, you've walked around downtown and used Google Maps or something--

35:13SPEAKEROh, yeah.

35:14SPEAKER--and, like, the compass is going--

35:15SPEAKERYeah, it is--

35:16SPEAKER--to a building where there's a giant steel rod.

35:17SPEAKERYeah, that's fair.

35:18SPEAKERYeah, that's not going to be so good.

35:19SPEAKERI was just surprised that they were that forthright about that, that, like, "Hey, this thing is

35:23SPEAKERnot the most accurate and we're going to be honest with you when it's not."

35:25SPEAKERI mean, that's-- that's probably a liability situation.

35:28SPEAKEROh, sure, yeah.

35:29SPEAKER'Cause, you know, if you--

35:31SPEAKERYeah, when it comes to the direction people are walking or-- or, let's say, maybe incoming

35:36SPEAKERweather disasters, it's--

35:37SPEAKERYeah, or you're on a sailboat.

35:38SPEAKER--it's useful to be accurate about what's happening.

35:41SPEAKERExactly.

35:42SPEAKERSo the-- there's a hearing study that they're adding now, which is going to, like, notify

35:47SPEAKERyou.

35:48SPEAKERIf you sign up for that, it'll notify you if you're in a room that is loud enough to

35:51SPEAKERcause hearing damage--

35:52SPEAKEROh, wow.

35:53SPEAKER--for prolonged exposure--

35:54SPEAKERYeah.

35:55SPEAKER--or for short exposure.

35:56SPEAKERYeah.

35:57SPEAKERThere was a thing about tracking women's menstrual cycle-- menstrual cycle.

36:01SPEAKERHmm.

36:02SPEAKERAnd then the last one I completely missed and I didn't go back and look at it 'cause I was

36:04SPEAKERdoing other things.

36:06SPEAKERIt's cool that they're leaning that hard into that aspect of it, though.

36:08SPEAKERIt seems good.

36:09SPEAKERIt seems like the kind of thing that is really connected with people.

36:11SPEAKERWell, and it's interesting 'cause earlier this week, there was a-- there was information

36:15SPEAKERabout a couple of Facebook apps that tracked menstrual cycles, like, actually just using

36:20SPEAKERthat data and sending it to Facebook, which is not at all what you want--

36:23SPEAKERYeah.

36:24SPEAKER--I would assume.

36:25SPEAKERYeah.

36:26SPEAKERLike, when you had sex, you know, all that kind of business.

36:27SPEAKERHmm.

36:28SPEAKERSo I-- I-- I may be naive here, but I feel like Apple is the-- one of the big tech-- five

36:34SPEAKERtech companies that I would actually trust with intimate personal information like that--

36:38SPEAKERSure.

36:39SPEAKER--more than the others.

36:40SPEAKERYeah.

36:41SPEAKERI-- I messaged FBI Scenario that they--

36:44SPEAKERI mean, they've gone to bat.

36:45SPEAKERYeah.

36:46SPEAKER--seem to have come out on the right side of.

36:47SPEAKERYeah.

36:48SPEAKERI think that's-- I think that's the-- like, that's the big software stuff.

36:51SPEAKERThe LPTO back-- backdrop seems really interesting if they can do dynamic refresh rates.

36:56SPEAKERThey said-- they didn't give a number, but they said all day slash 18-hour battery life.

37:02SPEAKERAnd then the rest of the stuff has been there for a while.

37:04SPEAKERIt comes in aluminum and silver, gold, and space gray, stainless, gold, space black,

37:09SPEAKERand polish, which is, I think, just the shiny metal one that I like.

37:12SPEAKERThere's a titanium one now, which is exciting.

37:14SPEAKERYeah.

37:15SPEAKERAnd-- and brushed metal and space black.

37:17SPEAKERAnd then the ceramic one, which looks like a future watch and is really cool, but is

37:20SPEAKERnot worth $1,000.

37:21SPEAKERI was going to say-- oh, did they announce that price?

37:23SPEAKERBecause I started to say I-- I noted that I-- the prices of the titanium and ceramic

37:27SPEAKERwere not easy to come by.

37:28SPEAKERThey didn't talk about prices much at all.

37:30SPEAKERWhich I assume means that they are astronomical.

37:32SPEAKERSo the edition watch starts at $800 for the titanium, or $1,299 for the ceramic.

37:42SPEAKERIt looks really cool, though, Brad.

37:44SPEAKERWell, I'm sure it does.

37:45SPEAKERYou've got to think about how cool it's going to look.

37:46SPEAKERAnd then--

37:47SPEAKERHow cool does your Series Zero watch?

37:48SPEAKERSo think about how cool it's going to look in four years when you're running the same

37:52SPEAKERversion of OS for, like, three years running.

37:54SPEAKERThat's the thing to remember.

37:55SPEAKEROK.

37:56SPEAKERAll right.

37:57SPEAKERThey didn't talk about upgrading the CPU this time, so I wonder if they've-- they've settled

38:01SPEAKERon a--

38:02SPEAKERA flaw that they had?

38:03SPEAKEROh, really?

38:04SPEAKERThey had done so, but I could be wrong?

38:06SPEAKERThey didn't talk about it in the keynote.

38:07SPEAKERYeah.

38:08SPEAKERIf they did.

38:09SPEAKEROK.

38:10SPEAKERSo I just looked it up.

38:11SPEAKERIt's an S5.

38:12SPEAKERIt's interesting that they're not-- they're doing the sapphire crystal on the Series Five

38:17SPEAKERGPS and cellular, but not the aluminum.

38:20SPEAKERAnd I think you have to get cellular if you get anything but an aluminum model, is what

38:24SPEAKERit looks like to me.

38:26SPEAKERHas that just been better scratch resistance and so forth?

38:29SPEAKERYeah.

38:30SPEAKERSo it's--

38:31SPEAKEROh, that's what they use on the camera lenses, right?

38:32SPEAKERYeah.

38:33SPEAKERIt's on the camera lenses.

38:34SPEAKERIf you've ever looked at, like, your phone when it's two or three years old and it has,

38:37SPEAKERlike, little micro scratches all over the front of the screen--

38:39SPEAKERYeah, like you have to tilt it in a bright light to see them.

38:41SPEAKERYeah.

38:42SPEAKERThe sapphire lens, my Series Zero, one thing that it's great at--

38:45SPEAKERYeah.

38:46SPEAKER--four, five, six years in, whatever, it's five years in.

38:48SPEAKERNo scratches.

38:49SPEAKEROh, it's got the--

38:50SPEAKERYeah, it's got the-- so I got the stainless one because I wanted to see what the sapphire--

38:53SPEAKERhow the sapphire aged, specifically, and it has aged better than anything else about that

38:57SPEAKERdevice.

38:58SPEAKERWorks as advertised.

38:59SPEAKERIt even is all dinged up, and the sapphire's fine.

39:02SPEAKERYeah.

39:03SPEAKERSo that's it.

39:04SPEAKERI--

39:05SPEAKERSo you cannot get that on the aluminum at all?

39:06SPEAKERYou cannot get the sapphire on the aluminum.

39:07SPEAKERThat's a shame.

39:08SPEAKERYou have to buy the $600 one, $600 one to get that.

39:12SPEAKERYou know, look, if you want a premium product, you have to pay a premium price, Brad.

39:16SPEAKERIt's a watch.

39:17SPEAKERNice.

39:18SPEAKERThis is an heirloom you can pass down to your child--

39:19SPEAKEROh, of course.

39:20SPEAKER--within the next five to seven years.

39:21SPEAKERYes.

39:22SPEAKERAt most.

39:23SPEAKERAre we moving on from the watch?

39:25SPEAKERBecause I have one kind of use case question.

39:26SPEAKERYes, hit me.

39:28SPEAKERIf this was the last--

39:29SPEAKERI got nothing else on watch stuff.

39:30SPEAKER--watchy topic.

39:31SPEAKERI mean, this is probably old hat for people that have had smartwatches for a while, but

39:35SPEAKERsell or no?

39:36SPEAKERLike LTE or no?

39:37SPEAKERLike I--

39:38SPEAKERSo they turned the walkie-talkie thing back on.

39:41SPEAKERDo you know about that?

39:42SPEAKERIs that the-- I'm guessing it's some kind of Dick Tracy-style thing?

39:44SPEAKERYeah, you can basically-- like if you're out-- if you have your phone with you, you can just

39:48SPEAKERwalkie-talkie somebody.

39:49SPEAKERHalf the reason to get the watch, right?

39:50SPEAKERYeah, that's the only reason I wanted the Series 4.

39:53SPEAKERThey had to turn it off because of security stuff for a while, but they turned it back

39:57SPEAKERon in April, I think, and it seems pretty good.

40:01SPEAKERLike that and being able to call from your phone, like there's something compelling about,

40:06SPEAKERto me, as the parent of a child, that I often go out on bike rides with my kids and stuff,

40:10SPEAKERnot having to take my wallet and my phone and still be able to make an emergency call

40:16SPEAKERor call Gina if I need to pick up or something like that.

40:17SPEAKERI guess I could see that.

40:19SPEAKERDo you use Apple Pay?

40:20SPEAKERNo, but that's kind of part of the reason I want to get a watch, actually.

40:22SPEAKERSo I was going to say that--

40:23SPEAKERThe Apple Card, the cash back on the Apple Card if you're Apple Pay is pretty good.

40:29SPEAKERThat's a whole other topic, but yeah.

40:31SPEAKERI find myself using Apple Pay a lot when I'm out and about doing stuff.

40:34SPEAKERIf we go ride the bikes to get ice cream, they take Apple Pay so I don't take a wallet

40:38SPEAKERor anything.

40:39SPEAKERI just wear comfortable pants and not have to have a wallet while I'm pedaling the bike.

40:42SPEAKERIt's handy.

40:43SPEAKERThis one, I don't know if this is a new feature, but this one when you're swimming, it tracks

40:46SPEAKERdistance swim.

40:47SPEAKERWow.

40:48SPEAKERWhich seems like magic.

40:49SPEAKERIs it safe to just swim with it now?

40:50SPEAKERYeah, it's that waterproof.

40:51SPEAKERWow.

40:52SPEAKERYeah.

40:53SPEAKERI figured they were still at the stage of like, yeah, it's mostly water resistant, but

40:57SPEAKERdon't dive with it.

40:58SPEAKERNo, I'm sure it's don't dive with it.

40:59SPEAKERWell, or you know what I mean, don't take, don't submerge it is what I mean.

41:02SPEAKERYou know, they showed a picture of a person swimming, so I assume it's totally kosher

41:06SPEAKERnow.

41:07SPEAKERYeah.

41:08SPEAKEROh, and the emergency SOS stuff is now international in like 127 countries, not just the handful

41:15SPEAKERthat it was for.

41:16SPEAKERThat's cool.

41:17SPEAKERI'm just, I'm trying to think like on a practical basis how often I would not have my phone

41:19SPEAKERwith me and it's not often it's, but I mean the phone, I mean the watch is functionally

41:24SPEAKERkind of useless without a phone, right?

41:26SPEAKERIf you don't have the cell model, well, it'll tell you the time and you can use, you can

41:30SPEAKERlisten to music and it'll like track a workout.

41:34SPEAKERAnd with the GPS models, it'll track a workout and like give you routes, like it'll upload

41:39SPEAKERyour routes to Strava or Runkeeper or whatever you want when you come back to the home office.

41:45SPEAKERIt seems like, look, I, the question isn't do you want to pay the extra a hundred bucks

41:52SPEAKERfor the, for the cellular model?

41:53SPEAKERDo you want to pay the extra 10 bucks a month to your carrier because that's going to add

41:57SPEAKERup way faster.

42:00SPEAKERThe one thing I will say is you can often get discounts from your carrier.

42:04SPEAKERLike if you get, if you get the, like Verizon wants to sell me hardware because I haven't

42:09SPEAKERbought hardware from them in a really long time and they're, they're willing to give

42:12SPEAKERme deep discounts on Apple watch series threes with cellular that would probably offset the

42:18SPEAKERcost of the first year's service.

42:19SPEAKEROkay.

42:20SPEAKERSo you want to talk about iPad?

42:23SPEAKERSure.

42:24SPEAKERThis is, this isn't, I wasn't expecting this.

42:25SPEAKERI think the rumor sites had this in there, but they are replacing the sixth generation

42:31SPEAKER9.7 inch iPad, the one with the home button, which is to be clear, I believe the screen

42:36SPEAKERsize they've had since the, it's the base model, the iPad was incepted.

42:41SPEAKERIt is the default is the iPad ass iPad.

42:44SPEAKERRight.

42:45SPEAKERYeah.

42:46SPEAKERThe one that we took apart in the basement at whiskey media.

42:47SPEAKERLike that is the screen on the iPad since time immemorial.

42:50SPEAKERSo they're replacing the sixth gen with the seventh gen, they're just calling it the new

42:53SPEAKERiPad.

42:54SPEAKERThe display is now 10.2 inches.

42:56SPEAKERThey made the bezel a little bit smaller.

42:58SPEAKERIt seems they didn't talk about how, it's funny, they didn't talk about how thin anything

43:01SPEAKERwas today.

43:02SPEAKERHuh?

43:03SPEAKERSo that, that to me says everything must be getting fatter now that Johnny Ive's gone.

43:08SPEAKERIt uses this one, this one, the big, the big hits on this one are that it has the smart

43:12SPEAKERconnectors.

43:13SPEAKERYou can use the keyboard and the pencil, but it's the old pencil, not the new pencil.

43:17SPEAKERSo there's a gen one pencil, gen two pencil.

43:20SPEAKERThe pros use the new, the current pros use the gen two pencil.

43:23SPEAKERThe old pros use the gen one pencil and now this one and whatever the other one they announced

43:28SPEAKERa few months ago.

43:29SPEAKERThis is getting complicated.

43:30SPEAKERIt is getting complicated.

43:33SPEAKERIt seems nice.

43:34SPEAKERThey, they were, they were in the, in, on the slides they showed it competing with a

43:39SPEAKERwindows laptop, like a cheap windows laptop.

43:41SPEAKERAnd the prices starts at 329 bucks.

43:43SPEAKERWhich that's the actual, like that's the actual story, right?

43:47SPEAKERIs that what you're getting for that price is actually competitive now?

43:50SPEAKERWell, so the, the last one was also 329, so they didn't drop the price, but now that it

43:54SPEAKERhas the smart connector.

43:55SPEAKERYeah, smart connector, bigger screen, faster.

43:57SPEAKERAnd pencil support.

43:58SPEAKERYeah.

43:59SPEAKERI think all of those are pretty good.

44:00SPEAKERLike it's, it's starting to pick up some pro features is what I mean.

44:03SPEAKERYeah, the pro features are filtering down, right?

44:05SPEAKERThe bad news is the 32 gig, the 329 model is only 32 gigs, which is a little bit offensive.

44:11SPEAKERYeah, I agree.

44:12SPEAKERUm, it's a hundred bucks more to go to 128 gigs.

44:15SPEAKERYeah.

44:16SPEAKERI'm not like, that seems like, uh, Hey, I want something to browse the web and watch

44:21SPEAKERvideo while I'm sitting on the living room and the TV's taken by somebody else.

44:25SPEAKERSure.

44:26SPEAKERUm, but 300, 300, like this, we shouldn't discount the smart connector.

44:30SPEAKERIt's smart, adding keyboard support makes it a viable laptop competitor.

44:34SPEAKERSomething I meant to mention with the phones and completely forgot, um, and I didn't expect

44:39SPEAKERthis to be in this iPad because it's considered a pro feature on the iPad pro, but the 120

44:44SPEAKERHertz screen.

44:45SPEAKEROh, is that, is that 120 Hertz screen on this?

44:47SPEAKERNo, on the pros it is, but not on, it's not on this one, not on this, but I meant to bring

44:53SPEAKERthat up earlier because I, in a perfect world, I would have liked to have thought that a,

44:58SPEAKERan iPhone called pro might also have that feature.

45:00SPEAKEROh, is it?

45:01SPEAKERI didn't even look at that.

45:02SPEAKERNo, it doesn't.

45:03SPEAKERIt does.

45:04SPEAKEROh, battery life.

45:05SPEAKERRight.

45:06SPEAKERIs that why?

45:07SPEAKERProbably.

45:08SPEAKEROkay.

45:09SPEAKERI mean, that thing has a ton of space for battery.

45:10SPEAKERYeah.

45:11SPEAKERCause I've got not a, not the current iPad pro, but the 10.5.

45:12SPEAKERIt's the first 10-inch iPad pro.

45:13SPEAKERThe first model that had the 120 Hertz screen and it's, it's, it's night and day.

45:16SPEAKERLike I can never go back now.

45:18SPEAKERI, I liked that a lot.

45:19SPEAKERSo nice.

45:20SPEAKERI wouldn't, if they do that and it's probably only going to be in the big boy.

45:24SPEAKERLike it's just, yeah, no, it's mesmerizing.

45:27SPEAKERI like, I have a 60 Hertz G-Sync monitor at home and I'm sad because I, I wish it was

45:33SPEAKER120 or 144 Hertz.

45:35SPEAKERYeah.

45:36SPEAKERI know, I know, uh, God was it razor or somebody made 120 Hertz phone.

45:40SPEAKERI wouldn't buy that.

45:41SPEAKERNo, I'm not saying, I'm not saying anybody should buy that.

45:43SPEAKERI'm just saying it's been attempted.

45:44SPEAKERYeah.

45:45SPEAKERPeople have done it.

45:46SPEAKERUm, but I feel like it's telling that they were the only ones that did it right.

45:49SPEAKERIf you're running 60 or 30 Hertz on the phone screen most of the time and you go up to 120

45:53SPEAKERyou're doubling or, or quadrupling your battery drive, which seems, seems like a lot.

45:58SPEAKERThat's fair.

45:59SPEAKERBut God, it's so nice.

46:00SPEAKERUm, I think that's it on the iPad.

46:02SPEAKERYeah.

46:03SPEAKERIt's, it's a pretty minor thing.

46:04SPEAKERI mean, it's nice that the, the, the, the loop, I was surprised it was only an A10 since

46:08SPEAKERthe mini is an A12 now.

46:10SPEAKERYeah.

46:11SPEAKERUm, CPU, uh, SOC and then the other stuff they talked about as we wrap it up here, um,

46:17SPEAKERthey announced dates on TV, Apple TV plus, which is their TV service and game service,

46:24SPEAKERuh, which are Apple arcade.

46:26SPEAKERThey're five bucks each a month, uh, games launches next week.

46:30SPEAKERI think we capture next on September 19th, probably when the, I, the next iOS launch

46:36SPEAKERhappens.

46:37SPEAKERIf I had to guess.

46:38SPEAKERI think that is announced actually.

46:39SPEAKEROkay.

46:40SPEAKERThey didn't, they didn't talk about the keynote, but I said it's sometime between now and when

46:42SPEAKERthe hardware shows.

46:43SPEAKERI'm pretty sure I said I saw 19th.

46:45SPEAKERUm, and then the TV plus Apple TV plus launches on November 1st.

46:49SPEAKEROkay.

46:50SPEAKERUm, they showed a couple of games.

46:52SPEAKERI don't, I wasn't super like they showed Frogger city or Frogger that the game looked terrible

46:58SPEAKERfrom Konami.

46:59SPEAKERYeah.

47:00SPEAKERUm, they showed a cap com like side scrolling 2d in a subnautica type game that looked kind

47:03SPEAKERof interesting and weird.

47:05SPEAKERThe only thing I care about is a new choo choo rocket, but they announced a new choo

47:08SPEAKERchoo rocket.

47:09SPEAKERThey announced a new choo choo rocket.

47:10SPEAKERWhat?

47:11SPEAKERThe first new choo choo rocket game perhaps since 1999 or 2000.

47:14SPEAKERWow.

47:15SPEAKERWas the last one on the Xbox when I re-released it for Xbox 360.

47:18SPEAKERIt's always just been re-releases of that same game.

47:20SPEAKEROh wow.

47:21SPEAKERYeah.

47:22SPEAKEROn GBA.

47:23SPEAKERYeah.

47:24SPEAKER360, it was 360 arcade.

47:25SPEAKERWas it?

47:26SPEAKERIt might've been.

47:27SPEAKEROr maybe I'm thinking about every extend extreme or one of those or boom boom rocket is what

47:33SPEAKERI'm thinking about, which is the fireworks game, which is also dope, but not as good

47:36SPEAKERas choo choo rocket.

47:37SPEAKERNo.

47:38SPEAKERFew things are.

47:39SPEAKERNo.

47:40SPEAKERUm, that Annapurna rhythm racer thing that they showed was pretty good.

47:43SPEAKERThat's not, um, sayonara wild horses.

47:46SPEAKERSayonara wild, yeah.

47:47SPEAKERThat's also coming to, that's coming into the Switch.

47:49SPEAKERYeah.

47:50SPEAKERYeah.

47:51SPEAKERUh, yeah.

47:52SPEAKERI don't know that service.

47:53SPEAKERI might try the free month just to fiddle around with some of that stuff.

47:56SPEAKERSo the big news, if you buy a new phone, you get the year first year free.

47:59SPEAKERYeah.

48:00SPEAKERWas it the case for both arcade and TV?

48:02SPEAKERThat part was unclear.

48:03SPEAKERI wonder if you have to choose or if you get, if you buy a phone and an iPad, does it stack?

48:08SPEAKERThere's a lot of questions.

48:09SPEAKEROkay.

48:10SPEAKERI'm kind of shocked by that, like, like a free month, of course, like, like, why wouldn't

48:14SPEAKERthey give you a 30 day?

48:17SPEAKEREverybody does that.

48:18SPEAKERBut a year?

48:19SPEAKERApple, they're okay.

48:20SPEAKERThey're okay on cash.

48:21SPEAKERI know that, I know that, but I'm just trying to figure out like what the business play

48:24SPEAKERis there.

48:25SPEAKERThey want to get you hooked on it.

48:26SPEAKERI think, I think, so looking at their TV lineup, especially, I think that they don't have enough

48:31SPEAKERstuff to warrant the subscription starting in November and they're giving themselves

48:36SPEAKERa year to ramp that content up.

48:37SPEAKERBecause it's a, getting that content pipeline going is hard.

48:40SPEAKERIt's hard for Disney.

48:41SPEAKERIt's hard for Warner Brothers.

48:43SPEAKERIt's hard for everybody.

48:44SPEAKERMake sure by the end of the year, it's indispensable.

48:46SPEAKERYeah.

48:47SPEAKERThat gives them a year to, to, to have a hit that people can't stop watching.

48:50SPEAKERWe'll see.

48:52SPEAKERNo Apple TV update?

48:53SPEAKERNo Apple TV.

48:54SPEAKERI don't think they need one.

48:55SPEAKER4k?

48:56SPEAKER4k is good.

48:57SPEAKERYeah.

48:58SPEAKERI mean, the big thing, the big thing on Apple TV and iOS for games is that they're going

49:03SPEAKERto have, uh, if you have a Bluetooth DualShock or Bluetooth, Xbox controller, that's huge.

49:08SPEAKERThen all DualShock 4 is the second wave of, of, uh, Xbox controllers.

49:13SPEAKERHere's the flip side of things that Steve Jobs would never have allowed is that for

49:18SPEAKERonce they did something good.

49:19SPEAKERI mean, I think, like, I think this is unequivocally good.

49:21SPEAKERIt is.

49:22SPEAKERThat's yeah.

49:23SPEAKERI'm just saying like, this is very on Apple to allow other companies peripherals to, you

49:27SPEAKERknow what I mean?

49:28SPEAKERYeah.

49:29SPEAKERWithout like licensing or something.

49:30SPEAKERIt's not like there've been, there've been the rumors for years about Apple having a

49:31SPEAKERcontroller in development.

49:32SPEAKERAnd there's been the MFi stuff, which never really got off the ground.

49:36SPEAKERSo I have one of those SteelSeries MFi controllers, which is fine.

49:42SPEAKERBut for console ports, it doesn't work because the sticks, the MFi sticks don't have to click.

49:47SPEAKERSo that means you end up in a weird situation where you're like doing corded presses and

49:50SPEAKERalso like SteelSeries controller is fine, but it's not as good as, you know, Microsoft

49:54SPEAKERand Sony put billions of dollars into developing those controllers over the years.

49:58SPEAKEROn top of everything else, you just don't want to buy more controllers if you don't

50:00SPEAKERhave to.

50:01SPEAKERWell, it's a pain in the ass to switch back and forth though, because you have to sync

50:04SPEAKERit every time.

50:05SPEAKERAnd it's like, it's not ideal, but yeah, like I have enough PlayStation controllers floating

50:09SPEAKERaround that I'll sacrifice one to the, to the Apple TV.

50:12SPEAKERNo problem.

50:13SPEAKERTotally.

50:14SPEAKERSo yeah, this is all happening.

50:16SPEAKERPre-orders have started for some of this stuff.

50:18SPEAKERYou can order an Apple watch now.

50:21SPEAKEROne thing that we didn't talk about, they finally fixed the config.

50:23SPEAKERThey may have done this before.

50:24SPEAKERIt's the first time I've looked at it in a while, but they have a configurator now that

50:27SPEAKERlets you pick the size you want, and then you pick the finish you want, and then you

50:31SPEAKERpick the band that you want.

50:32SPEAKEROn the watch?

50:33SPEAKEROn the watch.

50:34SPEAKERYeah.

50:35SPEAKERSo you don't have to like, like if you want a black watch with a white band, you used

50:39SPEAKERto have to buy the white band after you bought the black watch with another band that you

50:43SPEAKERdon't want.

50:44SPEAKERThat's terrible.

50:45SPEAKERYeah.

50:46SPEAKERSo it's a better consumer experience, I guess.

50:47SPEAKERYeah.

50:48SPEAKERThat's it.

50:49SPEAKERA minor thing.

50:50SPEAKERNone of this stuff seems super necessary.

50:51SPEAKERYeah.

50:52SPEAKERI was going to say like, I don't know, put a grade on today's event.

50:53SPEAKERLet's say like a B, a B minus.

50:55SPEAKERI think they had the most diverse group of people that I've ever seen on a stage.

50:59SPEAKEROh, okay.

51:00SPEAKERWell, I didn't actually see the stage show.

51:01SPEAKERI didn't think about their kind of stage craft.

51:03SPEAKERI just meant the product offering.

51:05SPEAKERIf we're talking about like the actual show, they did a really good job.

51:08SPEAKERIt was a pretty good show.

51:10SPEAKERThey're doing this thing that I really like at the end where instead of just having big

51:12SPEAKERbullet lists full of features and stuff, they do a, it looks like one of those listicle

51:18SPEAKERthings that people always are emailing to you to be like, "Hey, do you want to, here's

51:22SPEAKERa free listicle that you can put on your site?"

51:25SPEAKERAnd like, it's just got all the relevant information and a pleasant infographic.

51:30SPEAKERBig snazzy infographic.

51:31SPEAKERYeah.

51:32SPEAKERIt was, then they did this for all of the stuff.

51:33SPEAKERIt was pretty good.

51:34SPEAKERThat's helpful.

51:35SPEAKERYeah.

51:36SPEAKERLike there's a couple more.

51:37SPEAKERYou can see them.

51:38SPEAKEROkay.

51:39SPEAKERLike, so that's a good, at a glance, here's what's new.

51:40SPEAKERYeah.

51:41SPEAKERLike they, and they have ABs.

51:42SPEAKERI mean, obviously they're a little bit cooked on like what the wide camera versus the ultra

51:46SPEAKERwide lens looks like and stuff like that, but it was, it was pretty good.

51:49SPEAKERYeah.

51:50SPEAKERIn terms of the products, like these are, if you, if you're, if you have a, like I have

51:57SPEAKERa two, this is the first time I've ever had a two year old phone since smartphones became

52:00SPEAKERa thing.

52:01SPEAKERReally?

52:02SPEAKERWell, I was, I was reviewing every year.

52:03SPEAKEROh fair.

52:04SPEAKERI had to, I was.

52:05SPEAKERYou came into a lot of phones.

52:07SPEAKERPhones were never, which phone was I going to have?

52:09SPEAKERNever a problem.

52:10SPEAKERPhones were available to you.

52:11SPEAKERIn fact, I think, I think I even had a phone for a couple of years due to your largess.

52:16SPEAKERI grabbed one out of the closet and was like, when your phone was broken and embarrassing,

52:19SPEAKERI was like, dude, here you go.

52:20SPEAKERYou need a phone that works.

52:21SPEAKERTake this Windows phone.

52:22SPEAKERAnd I was like, oh, this thing's not so bad.

52:23SPEAKEROh man.

52:24SPEAKERI didn't give you a Windows phone.

52:25SPEAKERI'm sorry.

52:26SPEAKERYou did.

52:27SPEAKERUm, I think you, I think I gave you the choice between that and an Android phone.

52:29SPEAKERYou chose the Windows phone.

52:30SPEAKERI can't remember how that went.

52:31SPEAKERUh, the Android phones at that time, you made the right choice.

52:33SPEAKERWas I able to get achievements on that Android phone?

52:35SPEAKERYes.

52:36SPEAKERNo.

52:37SPEAKERThat's the thing.

52:38SPEAKERYou wanted the phone that you could get hex and achievements on.

52:39SPEAKERThat's right.

52:40SPEAKEROr, uh, hex and achievements on.

52:41SPEAKERAnd I did.

52:42SPEAKERI, I feel like, um, if this is firmly in the category of, if you need a new phone cause

52:49SPEAKERyou just dropped in the Lake or something, like the it's worth buying the new one.

52:54SPEAKERUnless you're, unless you're poor, one of the poor God forsaken individuals who prefers

52:58SPEAKERthe iPhone SE.

52:59SPEAKERGood luck.

53:00SPEAKERYou are still the same shit out of luck.

53:02SPEAKERStill there.

53:03SPEAKERThey're still making it.

53:04SPEAKERLike, I mean, I'm sitting here holding an iPhone eight and they don't even make a phone

53:06SPEAKERthat small anymore.

53:08SPEAKERMuch less the SE.

53:09SPEAKERNo, they're still selling the eight.

53:10SPEAKERNo, no.

53:11SPEAKERI'm saying they're, they don't make new phones in that form factor, even, even the 10 smaller

53:14SPEAKERthan the eight.

53:15SPEAKERNo, it's not.

53:16SPEAKERIt's about the same size.

53:17SPEAKERLook at that.

53:18SPEAKERI have a case on mine.

53:20SPEAKERThis is some great.

53:21SPEAKERSo do I.

53:22SPEAKEROh yeah.

53:23SPEAKERIt is a little bit smaller.

53:24SPEAKERIt's like a phone for babies.

53:25SPEAKERThe phones are just getting bigger is what I'm saying.

53:26SPEAKERYeah.

53:27SPEAKERLike there's, you know, there's people that still prefer that.

53:29SPEAKERWhat is it?

53:30SPEAKERThe SE is four inches, I think.

53:31SPEAKERFour inch screen.

53:32SPEAKERSomething like that.

53:33SPEAKERThis is why we need the jenco jeans.

53:34SPEAKERLike to come back.

53:35SPEAKERWe need the big pockets.

53:36SPEAKERI just want a reasonably sized phone.

53:38SPEAKERThat's all I'm asking.

53:39SPEAKERYou have a reasonably sized phone.

53:40SPEAKERI know.

53:41SPEAKERI know.

53:42SPEAKERBut there, but once, once this thing gets too slow.

53:43SPEAKERDo you have a case on that?

53:44SPEAKERYes.

53:45SPEAKEROkay.

53:46SPEAKERIt's very small.

53:47SPEAKERNot in this thinnest case.

53:48SPEAKERDoes it actually do impact damage or just scratch?

53:50SPEAKERNot really.

53:51SPEAKEROkay.

53:52SPEAKERIt's just, just for scratches.

53:53SPEAKEROkay.

53:54SPEAKERVery good.

53:55SPEAKERI'm very particular about my phone wants and needs.

53:56SPEAKERBrad, you're very particular about what if, if one day, if we, so far we've recorded two

54:00SPEAKERepisodes zeros.

54:01SPEAKERIf we release the first one at some point as like a bonus or something, or when we,

54:05SPEAKERwe can't record an episode, we're going to find out how particular you are about things.

54:09SPEAKERPeople are going to hear the deaths of my insanity as pertains to buying a new monitor.

54:13SPEAKERTell me about the monitors.

54:14SPEAKERI was not buying a new monitor for 15 years.

54:18SPEAKERTell me of the monitors.

54:19SPEAKERThey still work.

54:20SPEAKERUm, so that's it.

54:21SPEAKERI guess.

54:22SPEAKERI guess.

54:23SPEAKERYeah.

54:24SPEAKERUm, we're, we're going to do this every week.

54:26SPEAKERThat's the goal.

54:27SPEAKERI think.

54:28SPEAKERI mean, I don't know.

54:29SPEAKERIt sounds terrifying.

54:30SPEAKERWell, I mean, maybe we won't.

54:31SPEAKERWe'll see.

54:32SPEAKERI'm up for it.

54:33SPEAKERBut if you like it, if you like the podcast, I I'm told that putting reviews on iTunes

54:36SPEAKERhelps.

54:37SPEAKEROkay.

54:38SPEAKERSo that would be an awesome thing for you to do.

54:39SPEAKERDo that.

54:40SPEAKERI was, I didn't mean you.

54:41SPEAKERI mean, that would be weird if you and I reviewed the podcast.

54:42SPEAKERI'll just use different names.

54:43SPEAKERI don't know what people, they always find out.

54:45SPEAKERNobody will know.

54:46SPEAKERNo, no, no, no.

54:47SPEAKERDon't do that.

54:48SPEAKERIt's frowned upon.

54:49SPEAKERUm, but yeah, uh, you can find us on all the places that you find podcasts and we would

54:51SPEAKERlike it if you would mash the, the, the review button.

54:54SPEAKERThat would be swell.

54:55SPEAKERLike and subscribe.

54:56SPEAKERYeah.

54:57SPEAKERThat's what the kids say.

54:58SPEAKERI'll let you do that part.

54:59SPEAKERBut like and subscribe.

55:00SPEAKERYeah.

55:01SPEAKEROkay.

55:02SPEAKERThank you.

55:03SPEAKERSee y'all next week.

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