188: Full-Time Lego Broker

00:00SPEAKERI was really surprised at how much of the spy museum

00:04SPEAKERwas about stuff you can put in your butt.

00:09SPEAKERGo on.

00:10SPEAKERLike there were, it came up a lot is all I'm saying.

00:14SPEAKERIt's not the intro I was expecting.

00:15SPEAKERYou said, "Hey, we're gonna talk about the spy museum

00:17SPEAKERfor this cold open."

00:18SPEAKERAnd I was like, "All right, kick it off."

00:19SPEAKEROkay, so the number one topic at the spy museum,

00:24SPEAKERprobably Osama bin Laden.

00:25SPEAKERThey're very enthusiastic about like Osama bin Laden

00:29SPEAKERto the point that my daughter was like,

00:31SPEAKER"Who is Osama bin Laden

00:33SPEAKERand why do these people care so much about him?"

00:35SPEAKER- Big W for them, I'm sure.

00:37SPEAKER- Yeah, well, she's 10.

00:38SPEAKERSo like, you know, ancient history to her.

00:42SPEAKERAnd so we had to explain like,

00:44SPEAKERwe had to go through and explain 9/11

00:46SPEAKERand like, you know, Islamophobia in the United States

00:50SPEAKERand the fact that a guy named Barack Hussein Obama

00:54SPEAKERwas responsible for killing the other guy.

00:57SPEAKERLike it was a lot for a 10 year old is all I'm saying.

01:01SPEAKERBut the part of the spy museum that was very popular,

01:05SPEAKERvery, she was very enthusiastic about

01:08SPEAKERwas wow, spies put a lot of stuff in their butt.

01:11SPEAKERIt came up over and over and over again, Brad.

01:13SPEAKERThey had things that you could touch

01:14SPEAKERso you could see the relative size of the thing

01:18SPEAKERthat like the escape kit,

01:20SPEAKERyour emergency kit you would store.

01:22SPEAKER- Were these touchables pre-inserted?

01:25SPEAKERDo we know, were these from the field?

01:26SPEAKER- These looked like casts of actual devices,

01:30SPEAKERnot the pre-inserted devices.

01:33SPEAKERThere was a section that talked about custom things

01:36SPEAKERthat people would wanna put in their rectally inserted kits.

01:40SPEAKERThere was a lot on like cameras you could store.

01:45SPEAKERThere was a prototype of a scrotal prosthetic

01:49SPEAKERthat you could hide a camera and some microfilm in.

01:53SPEAKERLike it was a surprising amount of butt stuff,

01:57SPEAKERthat's all I'm saying.

01:58SPEAKERBut the spy museum, pretty cool, little propaganda-y.

02:01SPEAKER- Cameras I can see, I have to ask.

02:03SPEAKER- Yes.

02:04SPEAKER- Were there any insertable firearms?

02:08SPEAKER- I don't know if I remember seeing an insertable firearm.

02:10SPEAKERI definitely saw things you could use to stab somebody

02:13SPEAKERor like choke somebody out in the butt kits.

02:19SPEAKER- Lockpicks, files, escape implements were very popular.

02:23SPEAKER- Anything sharp goes in there.

02:25SPEAKERYou're putting a lot of faith in its enclosure

02:27SPEAKERto maintain its integrity.

02:28SPEAKER- Dude, it was really big.

02:30SPEAKERIt was like the size of a, you know,

02:34SPEAKERthey looked like pills,

02:35SPEAKERbut the kind of pills you would feed like a small dinosaur,

02:38SPEAKERmaybe a mid-sized dinosaur, way bigger than a horse pill.

02:40SPEAKER- Oh wow, huh.

02:42SPEAKER- Like I'm talking like four inches

02:43SPEAKERby two and a half inches diameter probably.

02:46SPEAKER- Wait, hang on.

02:46SPEAKERAre you saying the CIA has dinosaurs?

02:49SPEAKER- No, I'm saying they have dinosaur pills for your butt.

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03:21SPEAKER- Welcome to Brad and Will Made a Tech Pod.

03:23SPEAKERI'm Will.

03:24SPEAKER- I'm Brad, welcome back.

03:26SPEAKER- They had a lot of stuff that wasn't about going

03:27SPEAKERin your butt too, for what it's worth.

03:29SPEAKERYou got to, I crawled through some air ducts.

03:31SPEAKER- Wow, okay.

03:32SPEAKERWe, you know, not, look,

03:34SPEAKERI'm not trying to gate the most interesting content

03:37SPEAKERbehind the paywall, but we should talk more about this

03:39SPEAKERon the Patreon episode 'cause this sounds fascinating.

03:41SPEAKER- Yeah, I was in DC for some family stuff last week

03:44SPEAKERand we took a couple of days and went to some museums

03:46SPEAKERand like, I'm going to say,

03:49SPEAKERI've spent a lot of summers in DC as a kid and as an adult,

03:53SPEAKEReasily the most pleasant weather-wise we've ever had.

03:57SPEAKERWhen we got downtown, we like walked from Blenfant Plaza

04:01SPEAKERto the Washington Memorial, to the Washington Monument,

04:04SPEAKERrather, and then all the way down past the reflecting pool

04:06SPEAKERto the Lincoln Monument and like did the whole

04:09SPEAKERSimpsons thing where we went up and saw the statue

04:11SPEAKERof Abraham Lincoln and everybody's yelling stuff at him.

04:15SPEAKER- Wait, are they?

04:16SPEAKER- People, in a way that I didn't appreciate as a child,

04:20SPEAKERthe Lincoln Memorial is like,

04:24SPEAKERit's a very awe-inspiring, thought-provoking place

04:27SPEAKER'cause the statue of Lincoln is huge, right?

04:30SPEAKERIt's the only thing in the room.

04:31SPEAKEROn one side is, I think, his second inaugural address

04:34SPEAKERand on the other side is the Gettysburg Address.

04:37SPEAKERAnd then when you go out and look at the stairs

04:41SPEAKERto go back down, you see the Washington Monument reflected,

04:45SPEAKERstanding tall above you, 555 feet above you,

04:47SPEAKERand then also reflecting back into the reflecting pool.

04:51SPEAKERAnd at the cross point of the Washington Monument

04:56SPEAKERand the Capitol and the Lincoln Memorial,

05:01SPEAKERto your right is the Jefferson Memorial

05:02SPEAKERand on the left is the White House, right?

05:04SPEAKERSo it's like, you feel like the center

05:06SPEAKERof the heart of American democracy right there.

05:08SPEAKERIt feels like the point at which we started

05:12SPEAKERgetting things right instead of making them worse.

05:15SPEAKER- It's reverential, let's say.

05:16SPEAKER- Yeah, but it was a long walk,

05:19SPEAKERso we rented some of those electric scooters

05:21SPEAKERand rode them back to the hotel

05:22SPEAKER'cause everybody's feet were tired.

05:23SPEAKER- Yeah, that sounds nice.

05:24SPEAKERI also have been to DC in the summer a handful of times

05:27SPEAKERand my God, is it a swamp?

05:29SPEAKERSo.

05:30SPEAKER- Yeah, usually like June, end of June in DC,

05:33SPEAKERyou step outside away from air conditioning

05:35SPEAKERand it immediately feels like you're standing behind a bus.

05:38SPEAKER- Like all I can think about when I'm there

05:40SPEAKERis all the people who have to wear suits all day,

05:45SPEAKERout in that heat.

05:46SPEAKER- I did that for two summers.

05:48SPEAKERIt was like, it was sweaty.

05:50SPEAKERPeople, and that was kind of before you would like

05:53SPEAKERgo to the gym and change clothes at the gym

05:55SPEAKERand ride the train home in like gym clothes.

05:57SPEAKERPeople just packed onto the Metro tight as you can,

06:01SPEAKERsweating, no AC on the trains back then either,

06:03SPEAKERif I remember right.

06:05SPEAKERAnyway, DC is nice, I love DC.

06:07SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah, I, God, it's been, 2016 was the last time

06:12SPEAKERwe took a traveling vacation other than me seeing family.

06:16SPEAKERIt's been way too long, but like if I had like

06:18SPEAKERunlimited free time, like a week in DC at least,

06:22SPEAKERjust go to every museum and look at everything

06:25SPEAKERin every museum is like one of the number one things

06:27SPEAKERI would do.

06:28SPEAKER- I'm going to tell you, I am the most,

06:31SPEAKERit turns out we also learned in this trip

06:33SPEAKERthat I enjoy museums much more than the other members

06:35SPEAKERof our family.

06:36SPEAKER- I could see that.

06:38SPEAKER- I could have spent, we went to American History,

06:40SPEAKERwe went to the Spy Museum, we went to Udvar-Hazy again

06:44SPEAKERout at the Air and Space Extension out at Dulles.

06:48SPEAKERAnd then we did, we went to a bunch of like

06:51SPEAKERgovernment stuff, 'cause my daughter's going

06:52SPEAKERto fifth grade next year and that's the first

06:54SPEAKERAmerican History year, so we wanted her to see

06:56SPEAKERlike the Capitol and we went to the, we stood on the stairs

07:00SPEAKERof the Supreme Court and like looked at the stuff there.

07:03SPEAKER- That's where you should be shouting.

07:05SPEAKER- I mean, look, the protest barricades look like

07:08SPEAKERthey never go down there now.

07:11SPEAKERWe went to the White House and stood on Pennsylvania Avenue

07:14SPEAKERand like took, you know, talked about that.

07:17SPEAKERWe went to Black Lives Matter Plaza,

07:18SPEAKERwhich is two blocks back from the White House,

07:20SPEAKERyou know, where the mayor of DC painted Black Lives Matter

07:24SPEAKERin 20 foot high letters on the road,

07:25SPEAKERa block from Trump's house when he was bitching

07:28SPEAKERabout the protests.

07:31SPEAKERYeah, and it's just a really, like it's a really,

07:34SPEAKERit's such a, it makes me really bummed how shitty

07:38SPEAKERwe are at public transportation in San Francisco,

07:41SPEAKERbecause like Metro, if you can walk a mile everywhere

07:45SPEAKERin like the places I wanna be in DC is accessible on Metro.

07:51SPEAKERAnd it's like two bucks when you get on anywhere

07:54SPEAKERin town pretty much.

07:55SPEAKER- Yeah, so let's be fair, you don't live there though,

07:57SPEAKERlike I'm sure people who have to live on the outskirts

08:00SPEAKERgetting to that stuff is maybe a bigger pain.

08:02SPEAKER- Well, I mean, yeah, it's like 45 minutes in

08:05SPEAKERfrom the outreaches to the downtown area.

08:08SPEAKERBut yeah, it was a lovely, it's a lovely city to visit.

08:11SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah, that sounds awesome.

08:14SPEAKERQuite jealous, we will talk about it more.

08:16SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah, yeah, Patreon episode, patreon.com/checkbond.

08:20SPEAKERWe'll record that probably early next week I guess,

08:22SPEAKER'cause we're coming up on the end of the month.

08:26SPEAKERIt's the end of the month though, Brad,

08:28SPEAKERdoes that mean something?

08:29SPEAKERI feel like it's been a while since we've done this

08:30SPEAKERand I can't remember what that might mean.

08:32SPEAKERDo you have any ideas?

08:33SPEAKER- Tell God any inquiries for us?

08:36SPEAKER- You mean missives?

08:38SPEAKER- Uh-huh.

08:40SPEAKER- A communique?

08:41SPEAKER- Questions.

08:43SPEAKER- Questions.

08:43SPEAKER- Questions, it's been like two weeks since we recorded

08:45SPEAKERand I feel rusty trying to think of something to say here.

08:48SPEAKERAnd I'm like, what are some synonyms for questions?

08:51SPEAKERI got nothing, let's just say questions.

08:53SPEAKER- Yeah, questions, if you have an email,

08:54SPEAKERyou can send it to checkbond@content.down.

08:56SPEAKERWe got a couple of good emails this month,

08:58SPEAKERbut I feel like the email side was slacking this go round,

09:00SPEAKERso as you just said, we're getting into the summer months.

09:04SPEAKERPeople have got better things to do, they're out there.

09:07SPEAKERThey're out there listening to podcasts while moving around

09:10SPEAKERand you can't exactly type a question and send it in.

09:12SPEAKER- I did listen to podcasts on the airplane,

09:15SPEAKERI will admit that, while playing Diablo in the sky.

09:20SPEAKER- Okay, that we need to talk about at some point.

09:22SPEAKER- Yeah, in the future.

09:24SPEAKER- Yes, but for now we will get to these questions.

09:26SPEAKER- Yeah, if you're in the Discord,

09:29SPEAKERyou can also go to the question seeking answers channel

09:31SPEAKERand post your missive there.

09:33SPEAKERAnd we may or may not answer it depending on the content

09:36SPEAKERand our relative whim on any given day.

09:38SPEAKERBrad, what's our, you got our first cue lined up

09:41SPEAKERto turn it into an A?

09:42SPEAKER- Here's a question straight from Discord

09:44SPEAKERfrom JackW2610.

09:48SPEAKERI found a 10 year old Lego Star Wars set

09:51SPEAKERin my parents' house still in its box sealed

09:54SPEAKERand it has increased in value from 20 to almost $500.

09:59SPEAKER- Do I open or sell it?

10:00SPEAKER- Sell, sell, sell.

10:01SPEAKER- I don't think I could,

10:03SPEAKERI personally would probably not do either.

10:06SPEAKER- You just hold on?

10:07SPEAKER- Definitely not gonna open it, absolutely not.

10:10SPEAKER- Yeah, no, if you find a 10 year old unopened Lego set,

10:14SPEAKERthe 10 year old Star Wars Lego set

10:16SPEAKERis about the time I started buying Star Wars Lego.

10:19SPEAKERSo that means that the Lego in my garage

10:21SPEAKERis probably, I probably need to increase

10:22SPEAKERmy homeowner's insurance if I'm guessing my...

10:26SPEAKERYeah, I would sell and buy a current more expensive set

10:31SPEAKER'cause they will, that's about to go out of print.

10:36SPEAKER- But then would you open that one?

10:37SPEAKER- Nope.

10:38SPEAKER(laughing)

10:39SPEAKER- It's just, how many times can you complete this cycle

10:42SPEAKERin one human lifespan?

10:43SPEAKER- Look, I'm gonna go and tell you,

10:44SPEAKERthere was a period of time before we had kids

10:46SPEAKERwhen we bought a lot of Lego

10:47SPEAKERand we did not build all the Lego.

10:50SPEAKERAnd there's a couple of unopened boxes in there

10:53SPEAKERthat are probably, yeah, I should probably actually

10:57SPEAKERgo out and look at them and see what they're worth

10:58SPEAKERso I can put them on eBay.

11:00SPEAKER- Yeah, that seems like maybe the thing to do.

11:02SPEAKERI don't think I would be able to do either of these.

11:03SPEAKERI definitely wouldn't open it,

11:04SPEAKERbut I also would probably just want to sit on it

11:06SPEAKERfor another 10 years and see how much it was worth then.

11:09SPEAKER- And yeah, I mean, the other option would be to buy two,

11:13SPEAKERalmost out of print, $250 sets now

11:17SPEAKERand then sit on one for 10 years

11:19SPEAKERand sit on the other one for 20 years

11:21SPEAKERand see which one you make more money on.

11:22SPEAKER- Seems like you might have a budding career

11:25SPEAKERas a full-time Lego broker.

11:26SPEAKER- I mean, you saw the thing that Gizmodo does

11:29SPEAKERwhere they show whether like the leading mutual funds

11:31SPEAKERor buying Lego is the better investment.

11:34SPEAKER- Oh, wow, I didn't realize it was that lucrative.

11:37SPEAKER- It's pretty good.

11:38SPEAKERIf you pick the right sets, you can do pretty well.

11:40SPEAKER- That's, huh.

11:41SPEAKER- It's not a tax, you know, you don't,

11:43SPEAKERyou have to pay taxes though.

11:45SPEAKERIt's not like a 401k or something.

11:46SPEAKER- Sure, sure.

11:47SPEAKERWell, that's, you know,

11:48SPEAKERthat sounds like a fun side hustle maybe.

11:51SPEAKER- Yeah, you know, let's go head to the garage

11:53SPEAKERand start selling Lego.

11:54SPEAKERThere we go.

11:55SPEAKERWhat else we got?

11:56SPEAKER- Question from Warbird.

11:58SPEAKER- Hmm.

11:59SPEAKER- My retired parents' laptop is on its last legs

12:01SPEAKERand I've stumped enough for them to get something

12:03SPEAKERwith decent build quality and few enough moving parts

12:06SPEAKERthat it'll hopefully last a while.

12:08SPEAKERA MacBook Air.

12:10SPEAKERHow would you suggest onboarding?

12:12SPEAKERYour name is, okay.

12:14SPEAKER- Oh, sorry, I keep highlighting idly.

12:16SPEAKERMy bad.

12:19SPEAKER- Your cursor was flitting to and fro

12:21SPEAKERin the middle of this question in the Google doc

12:23SPEAKERand the pop-up with your name on it was blocking the text.

12:26SPEAKER- I'm sorry.

12:27SPEAKER- You could not read it.

12:27SPEAKER- So, okay, go ahead and finish the question.

12:30SPEAKER- Okay.

12:31SPEAKER- I digress.

12:32SPEAKER- How would you suggest onboarding someone into Mac OS

12:36SPEAKERwho has only even known Windows

12:40SPEAKERin a slightly adversarial context?

12:42SPEAKERSo both of my parents use MacBooks.

12:45SPEAKER- Yeah, but they always use MacBooks?

12:47SPEAKER- No, but they did start, gosh, it's been enough years now.

12:51SPEAKERLike my, disappointingly, my answer here is nothing

12:55SPEAKERbecause like my mom worked with computers

12:59SPEAKERthrough her career.

12:59SPEAKERLike she's reasonably computer savvy already

13:02SPEAKERand my dad not at all.

13:05SPEAKERAnd even he like kind of needed nothing.

13:08SPEAKERHe's sort of never asked me for help

13:10SPEAKERlike learning how to use a MacBook and Mac OS.

13:13SPEAKER- So when we, when I had this situation about 10 years ago,

13:18SPEAKERmy mom is pretty competent with Windows XP

13:21SPEAKERand as a result, Windows 7 was also pretty easy.

13:24SPEAKERWhen the shift to Windows 8 and 10 happened,

13:27SPEAKERshe got lost in Windows and like,

13:30SPEAKERI think my brother-in-law is actually still maintaining

13:32SPEAKERa Windows 7 computer for her

13:35SPEAKERthat he just has firewalled out the ass

13:37SPEAKERand she can basically run a browser on.

13:39SPEAKER- We'll say.

13:40SPEAKER- It's not great.

13:41SPEAKER- Some end of life action there.

13:42SPEAKER- Yeah, the thing, when this happened to my dad,

13:46SPEAKERwho was a fairly proficient computer user,

13:48SPEAKERlike he'd used computers for work

13:50SPEAKERand was able to get around.

13:51SPEAKERMom mostly just lived inside her bookkeeping software.

13:55SPEAKERDad was good at the phone.

13:57SPEAKERSo I was just like, you should just get an iPad.

13:59SPEAKERAnd he's got an iPad and a case with a keyboard on it

14:03SPEAKERand has been using that combo for the last like 10 years

14:07SPEAKERat this point almost, maybe more.

14:10SPEAKERMom is mostly phone and really doesn't use the computer

14:12SPEAKERmuch these days.

14:14SPEAKER- I think the giant, very nice track pad

14:16SPEAKERwith like fairly intuitive gesture-based input

14:19SPEAKERhas gone a long way to making MacBooks approachable

14:22SPEAKERfor people who don't know computers.

14:24SPEAKER- I can see that.

14:25SPEAKERI feel like, I mean, I feel like for like,

14:31SPEAKERso my mom lived basically in like browsers and eBay

14:34SPEAKER'cause she sold a bunch of stuff on eBay for fun.

14:37SPEAKERAnd I think that shifting to something else,

14:42SPEAKERlike the change in file dialogues

14:44SPEAKERwould have been more than she wanted to deal with, right?

14:47SPEAKEROr change in how the printer works and stuff like that

14:49SPEAKERwould have been a bit much for her.

14:51SPEAKERAlso, my parents are very cheap,

14:52SPEAKERso they wouldn't have bought MacBooks, I don't think.

14:55SPEAKER- Fair.

14:55SPEAKER- You're like, when dad would come in

14:58SPEAKERwith the $250 Best Buy Chromebook and I was like,

15:01SPEAKERhe was like, "Is this a good laptop?"

15:03SPEAKERI was like, "No, you don't want this."

15:05SPEAKERAnd then he'd buy it and get pissed off at it

15:07SPEAKERand take it back and I would hear about it for my sister, so.

15:13SPEAKERCan we talk about my idle clicking

15:14SPEAKERwhile we're in a shared document?

15:16SPEAKER- Sure.

15:17SPEAKER- When I'm talking on the computer,

15:19SPEAKERI often just highlight stuff idly

15:22SPEAKERwithout thinking about it.

15:23SPEAKERAnd when we were doing a FOSPOD episode,

15:25SPEAKERwe learned that Brad thought when I did that,

15:28SPEAKERthat it meant that I was suggesting the next question,

15:31SPEAKERwe should, the next direction of questioning we should go.

15:34SPEAKER- I thought that was some very clever, subtle suggestion.

15:38SPEAKER- So we do that now 'cause that was a good idea.

15:41SPEAKERBut I think the first probably five or six episodes

15:43SPEAKERof the FOSPOD were mainly directed by my idle clicking

15:49SPEAKERwithout any kind of, anyway, mistakes.

15:52SPEAKER- I'm glad to know I'm not the only one

15:54SPEAKERthat's got a nervous computer habit.

15:56SPEAKERMine is right clicking the Windows desktop

15:58SPEAKERand clicking refresh.

15:59SPEAKERI may have mentioned this before.

16:00SPEAKER- No.

16:01SPEAKER- Like I'll just do that over and over and over.

16:03SPEAKER- Do you have icons on your Windows desktop?

16:05SPEAKER- Oh yeah.

16:06SPEAKER- Oh man, that's the first thing I turn off.

16:09SPEAKER- What's the point of a desktop if you can't put things on?

16:11SPEAKER- It's just another folder.

16:13SPEAKERIt's the catch all folder.

16:14SPEAKER- It's weird.

16:15SPEAKERI refuse to put things on my real physical desktop,

16:18SPEAKERbut my virtual desktop is cluttered as hell.

16:21SPEAKER- I wonder what, I wonder,

16:22SPEAKERI wonder how many icons I have on my desktop.

16:25SPEAKER- I think we've run this exercise before to be fair.

16:28SPEAKER- Sweet Jesus.

16:29SPEAKER- But I do the right click refresh thing like rapidly enough

16:33SPEAKERthat in some cases that sometimes somebody will be like,

16:35SPEAKERwho's doing all that clicking?

16:36SPEAKERAnd it's like, oh wait, sorry.

16:37SPEAKERI didn't even realize I was doing it.

16:38SPEAKER- You can break the noise gate.

16:40SPEAKERAnd that is a lot of icons.

16:42SPEAKERI don't want to talk about this anymore.

16:43SPEAKER- Okay.

16:45SPEAKER- Unclick show desktop icon, problem solved.

16:47SPEAKER- I will say since I went to this new machine,

16:50SPEAKERmy desktop is much cleaner.

16:51SPEAKERI've been trying to make more of an effort

16:52SPEAKERto keep the downloads and desktop cleaner

16:55SPEAKERthan before I have 28 icons on the desktop.

17:01SPEAKER- Oh, that's pretty good.

17:02SPEAKER- And a good number of those are subject to deletion soon.

17:06SPEAKER- I continue to be annoyed that,

17:11SPEAKERthat every, seemingly every application

17:14SPEAKERinstalls shortcuts on my desktop.

17:17SPEAKER- That is inappropriate, I would say.

17:19SPEAKERYou know what else might be inappropriate?

17:21SPEAKER- This next question?

17:22SPEAKER- This question from Fortune Pants.

17:24SPEAKER- Oh yeah.

17:25SPEAKER- Is it ever acceptable to wear shoes

17:27SPEAKERwhen sitting on a sofa?

17:28SPEAKERI feel like there's a lot to unpack here.

17:31SPEAKER- Sitting implies that your feet are on the floor.

17:32SPEAKERSo I would say it's always acceptable to wear shoes.

17:35SPEAKER- Well, but then that's part of the thing to unpack here

17:37SPEAKERis I would,

17:40SPEAKERit's definitely not in a popular opinion

17:42SPEAKERwhere we come from originally,

17:44SPEAKERbut I am 1000% in the shoes don't belong

17:47SPEAKERin the house life at this point.

17:50SPEAKER- I've had an inside dog for most of the last 20 years.

17:53SPEAKER- Sure, I can see how that ship would have sailed already.

17:57SPEAKER- Yeah, it's like that, we lost that battle,

18:00SPEAKERbut I have, Mr. Rogers, my life, also, by the way,

18:04SPEAKERI saw Mr. Rogers' sweater and shoes

18:06SPEAKERin the American History Museum.

18:08SPEAKER- Oh, wow.

18:09SPEAKER- That was a moment.

18:11SPEAKER- How many he own?

18:12SPEAKER- It seemed, I believe a bunch,

18:14SPEAKERbecause he had different colors, for sure.

18:16SPEAKER- A closet full.

18:17SPEAKER- Yeah, I mean, you've seen the closet, it's on TV.

18:19SPEAKER- Oh.

18:20SPEAKER- He goes in, he takes his jacket off,

18:22SPEAKERhe puts the jacket in the closet, he takes the sweater.

18:24SPEAKERI think there's only ever one.

18:25SPEAKERAnyway, I wear, I have inside,

18:28SPEAKERI have shoes that are mostly inside shoes that I wear.

18:32SPEAKER- Shoes that you don't wear in the house

18:33SPEAKERor find in the house.

18:34SPEAKER- Yeah, they're like CloudFoam Adidas slip-on tennis shoes,

18:40SPEAKERand they're like, I got 'em when I started

18:43SPEAKERdoing the standing desk, honestly,

18:44SPEAKERso I was comfortable when I was standing,

18:46SPEAKERso my normal slippers aren't great standing.

18:49SPEAKER- If this question is in any way

18:51SPEAKERabout putting your shoes on the couch, though.

18:54SPEAKER- Fuck that.

18:55SPEAKER- I don't even know how that's even a question.

18:57SPEAKER- Nope, don't put your shoes on the couch.

19:00SPEAKERWorst case, dangle 'em off the side if you feel like,

19:02SPEAKERbut also don't put your shoes on the couch.

19:05SPEAKER- Yeah, just don't.

19:07SPEAKER- Were you raised in a barn?

19:10SPEAKER- Don't answer that.

19:12SPEAKERAll right, here's a question that I am excited

19:17SPEAKERto come up with an answer for from Hartow.

19:21SPEAKERI'm currently the tech advisor, in quotes,

19:23SPEAKERI'm guessing those are sneer quotes.

19:24SPEAKER- Oh boy.

19:25SPEAKER- I'm currently the tech advisor for a small,

19:27SPEAKERlow-funded volunteer fire and ambulance department.

19:30SPEAKEROur door systems run on software that is Windows XP

19:35SPEAKERand there are no easy ways to update the hardware.

19:40SPEAKERThe computer we interface with the doors is,

19:42SPEAKERfor lack of a better word, dying.

19:46SPEAKERWhat do you recommend?

19:47SPEAKERIs a virtual machine running XP the best solution?

19:50SPEAKERBuying another XP computer doesn't seem reasonable.

19:54SPEAKER- Huh, depending on how the hardware interfaces,

19:57SPEAKERa virtual machine running XP should probably work.

19:59SPEAKERIf it's like USB or serial or something,

20:01SPEAKERthat should be pretty easy.

20:02SPEAKER- That's probably my biggest question there is,

20:04SPEAKERwhat is the hardware connection to the doors?

20:08SPEAKER- Yeah.

20:09SPEAKER- I can't imagine there's some add-in card

20:11SPEAKERinvolved there, right?

20:13SPEAKER- I would be shocked.

20:14SPEAKERBut even if there is an add-on card,

20:15SPEAKERyou should still access it from the VM,

20:17SPEAKERif you have the right virtual machine software.

20:20SPEAKER- Yeah.

20:21SPEAKER- I would--

20:22SPEAKER- That does seem like the best solution, but--

20:26SPEAKER- I would be willing to bet that this is a problem

20:28SPEAKERthat somebody else has already solved.

20:31SPEAKER- Yeah.

20:32SPEAKER- Like I would start by Googling the name

20:35SPEAKERof the door controller and Windows 10

20:40SPEAKERand see what people are doing to solve that problem.

20:44SPEAKER- Another thing that comes to mind

20:45SPEAKERthat I think we may have talked about briefly before

20:48SPEAKERis the WeSee.

20:50SPEAKERDo you remember talking about that?

20:52SPEAKER- Yeah, but I don't remember what it is.

20:53SPEAKER- It's kind of a homebrew project, sort of.

20:55SPEAKERIt's repurposing.

20:56SPEAKERI just pulled it up here.

20:57SPEAKERIt was kind of a spoke.

20:59SPEAKERIt was made by a YouTuber, I wanna say,

21:01SPEAKERout of this, a Vortex 86 CPU module.

21:05SPEAKER- Oh.

21:06SPEAKER- Which is essentially,

21:07SPEAKERI'm actually reading from the page here.

21:09SPEAKERIt's based around the iCOP Vortex 86 CPU module,

21:12SPEAKERwhich is a Pentium-class x86-compatible

21:15SPEAKERembedded system on module

21:17SPEAKERthat is intended for industrial control.

21:20SPEAKER- Oh.

21:21SPEAKER- So it's exactly for this sort of thing.

21:23SPEAKER- Yeah, and it's tiny.

21:24SPEAKERIt's like it's a tiny little board,

21:25SPEAKERand basically the WeSee is just,

21:27SPEAKERthey made an enclosure for it

21:28SPEAKERand made the ports nicely accessible and stuff.

21:31SPEAKERThat sounds like it might be a little too slow

21:33SPEAKERfor Windows XP, maybe.

21:35SPEAKER- I don't know.

21:36SPEAKER- Actually, I think the Pentium brand spans,

21:40SPEAKERlike what, 25 years at this point or more,

21:43SPEAKERbut I think this is early Pentium.

21:45SPEAKERI think this is like 586, like post-486 era.

21:48SPEAKER- Early pre-Nihail and pre-Core, all that stuff,

21:51SPEAKERprobably, right?

21:52SPEAKER- The people using it for old gaming

21:54SPEAKERare like putting DOS on Windows 95 or 98 on it,

21:56SPEAKERso I don't know that it could quite do XP,

21:58SPEAKERbut the point is there are hardware x86 options out there

22:02SPEAKERthat are small and embedded that might actually

22:06SPEAKERsolve this problem, but a VM maybe also.

22:11SPEAKER- Yeah, so the other thing is you can also buy,

22:16SPEAKERlike this is the reason that a lot of industrial places

22:20SPEAKERkeep all of the old computers around

22:22SPEAKERand just chuck them into a storage room someplace

22:24SPEAKERis so that when they have an industrial machine

22:26SPEAKERthat runs Windows XP and is like air-gapped

22:29SPEAKERfrom the real internet, you just rob another part

22:33SPEAKERfrom the graveyard to keep that machine going.

22:37SPEAKER- Yeah, that is actually another option here

22:39SPEAKERis that finding a new Windows XP machine

22:43SPEAKERmight not be as hard as you think,

22:44SPEAKER'cause it seems like, I don't have any places to recommend,

22:49SPEAKERbut it seems like I see more and more people online

22:51SPEAKERjust saying like, hey, I just got these three

22:54SPEAKERPentium II era machines for 20 bucks.

22:56SPEAKERThere's tons of e-waste recyclers and places around now

23:00SPEAKERthat'll just offload whole computers from that era

23:03SPEAKERfor very cheap.

23:04SPEAKER- Yeah, you can get a Dell i5 for 84 bucks

23:10SPEAKERthat runs Windows XP on eBay.

23:12SPEAKER- Yeah, that might be an option.

23:14SPEAKEROf course, he did say this is a not especially well-funded

23:19SPEAKERfire department.

23:20SPEAKER- Well, but I mean, presumably they're gonna have

23:21SPEAKERto buy some sort of computer.

23:23SPEAKERI mean, you can, yeah, I think that's the thing I would do

23:27SPEAKERif you can is put together, I mean, it's unfortunate

23:32SPEAKER'cause ideally you'd wanna have something

23:34SPEAKERthat doesn't have a bunch of moving parts in it, right?

23:36SPEAKERSo you do like a SSD or something,

23:39SPEAKERbut I don't think you're gonna find a SSD,

23:41SPEAKERmaybe you can find a SATA SSD that would work

23:43SPEAKERfor the machine that old.

23:44SPEAKERI don't know, it's an interesting problem.

23:46SPEAKERI'd love to hear how you solve it when you get there.

23:48SPEAKERBut I would start by literally Googling the model number

23:52SPEAKERand seeing what other people are doing

23:54SPEAKER'cause somebody else has had the same problem

23:56SPEAKER'cause that is exactly the kind of hardware

23:58SPEAKERthat you don't replace until you absolutely,

24:00SPEAKERjust because Windows XP is out of support.

24:04SPEAKERAnd then, and I would also be careful

24:06SPEAKER'cause you don't wanna have the fire department doors stuck

24:09SPEAKERif your software doesn't work right.

24:12SPEAKER- Yeah, I'm almost surprised that there's software

24:15SPEAKERor computers involved there at all.

24:17SPEAKERThat seems like something

24:17SPEAKERthat you need 100% reliability on.

24:19SPEAKER- Probably interfaces with the alarm stuff.

24:22SPEAKER- Yeah, fair.

24:23SPEAKER- Their dispatch or whatever, so anyway.

24:24SPEAKER- Fair.

24:26SPEAKER- Thanks for writing in though.

24:27SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah, that was a cool one.

24:30SPEAKERAll right, I was afraid to take this one

24:32SPEAKER'cause I don't know that I'm equipped to answer it,

24:34SPEAKERbut you wrote an answer here, so I'm gonna read it.

24:37SPEAKER- Yeah.

24:37SPEAKER- From Pineapple Pincushion.

24:40SPEAKERAnd I think we've mentioned we could probably,

24:42SPEAKERyou're gonna do some kind of passkey episode

24:44SPEAKERin the near future 'cause that seems like the thing

24:46SPEAKERin password security, like everybody is rolling out

24:49SPEAKERa passkey solution all of a sudden.

24:51SPEAKERIf passkeys are based on biometrics and biometrics,

24:54SPEAKERwhich are something you have, can be compelled by a court

24:59SPEAKERas compared to a password, which is something you know,

25:01SPEAKERwhich they cannot compel.

25:04SPEAKERHow does that make pass, you're doing it again.

25:07SPEAKER- Sorry, shit.

25:08SPEAKER- You literally did it again.

25:09SPEAKER- I'm just clicking along with you.

25:11SPEAKER- It's like clockwork, your name just appears

25:14SPEAKERfor the sentence that I'm in the middle of reading.

25:17SPEAKER- Hello, Brad.

25:19SPEAKER- You're gonna, okay, all right, just, all right.

25:22SPEAKERLet's keep it together for 10 seconds.

25:23SPEAKER- Yeah, I'm controlling it, controlling myself.

25:25SPEAKER- Okay, again, to summarize what they're asking about here,

25:29SPEAKERthe standard, the legal standard is that,

25:35SPEAKERokay, we'll be sure I have this straight actually.

25:38SPEAKERIt's the thing you have that they can legally

25:41SPEAKERcompel you to hand over, correct?

25:43SPEAKER- Well, I mean-

25:43SPEAKER- But the thing that you know they cannot?

25:45SPEAKER- Well, so yeah, the question is,

25:47SPEAKERhow are passkeys better than passwords?

25:49SPEAKER- Yeah, sorry, I didn't actually finish the question, yes.

25:51SPEAKER- Yeah, no, it's my fault.

25:52SPEAKERHow are passkeys better than passwords if, say,

25:54SPEAKERa court or a person can compel you to give up

25:57SPEAKERthe thing you know, the biometric token,

25:59SPEAKERwhich is a fingerprint or a face scan or an iris scan

26:03SPEAKERor whatever future biometric scan thing it is?

26:06SPEAKERIs it possible that the answer to this question is

26:08SPEAKERthey're not better, that in fact,

26:09SPEAKERyou are giving up some security for convenience here?

26:11SPEAKER- Well, so what I was gonna say is the reason passkeys

26:13SPEAKERare better than passwords is that

26:16SPEAKERmost people use shit passwords.

26:18SPEAKERIf you're already using a good password manager

26:21SPEAKERand you have a good password on your password manager

26:23SPEAKERand the password manager is running its stuff well,

26:26SPEAKERmeaning they're not using the same pass,

26:29SPEAKERsame encryption key for millions of things

26:31SPEAKERor they're not salting the passwords inside the database

26:35SPEAKERor whatever it happens to be,

26:37SPEAKERyour passkeys are going to be better.

26:39SPEAKERPasskeys are better for most people

26:41SPEAKERbecause they're better than the passwords

26:42SPEAKERthat most people use.

26:44SPEAKER- Okay.

26:46SPEAKER- Now, the way passkeys work, and this is a simplification,

26:49SPEAKERwe'll do a whole episode about it later

26:50SPEAKER'cause it's really interesting,

26:51SPEAKERis there's a central provider that says,

26:54SPEAKERI have a key and then you have a key.

26:58SPEAKERYour key is locked behind biometrics.

27:00SPEAKERThe central provider has the other key.

27:03SPEAKERWhen you unlock your key, it sends it to the central provider

27:05SPEAKERand they look at themselves and they match.

27:07SPEAKERAnd if they match, then the site that you're trying

27:10SPEAKERto log into is sent a token from the central provider

27:13SPEAKERthat says, hey, you can log into this site.

27:17SPEAKERThat's much better than your password

27:18SPEAKERthat's PA55W0RD, right?

27:23SPEAKER- One, two, three, four, five, six.

27:24SPEAKER- Yeah, exactly.

27:24SPEAKER- Or server.

27:26SPEAKER- Yeah, or whatever.

27:28SPEAKERThere's a bazillion terrible fucking passwords.

27:32SPEAKER- Now, the real question here is the legal,

27:37SPEAKERis can you be compelled to give up to unlock your phone

27:41SPEAKEReither by police without a warrant,

27:44SPEAKERby a court with a warrant, or by some bad actor

27:48SPEAKERwho has your person and your phone, right?

27:54SPEAKERAnd the answer to that is it's complicated.

27:56SPEAKERThere's no federal precedent about whether,

28:01SPEAKERyou can't be compelled to give up your password

28:02SPEAKERfor your phone, legally speaking.

28:05SPEAKERSomebody can break your fingers

28:06SPEAKERuntil you give them the password and they're like, sure.

28:09SPEAKERA lot of torture in the spy museum, too, by the way.

28:11SPEAKERBig whole sections on torture.

28:13SPEAKER- Yikes.

28:15SPEAKER- It was presented in a mostly negative context.

28:18SPEAKERSo anyway.

28:19SPEAKER- One would hope.

28:23SPEAKER- So yeah, somebody convinced you to give up your password.

28:26SPEAKERSomebody can physically force you to touch your finger

28:29SPEAKERonto a fingerprint sensor.

28:31SPEAKERMost phones that do face unlock won't unlock

28:34SPEAKERif you're not looking at the phone.

28:36SPEAKERSo you can hold the phone up in front of yourself

28:38SPEAKERand stare at it and it won't do it.

28:40SPEAKERAlso, Android does this as well.

28:42SPEAKERBut on the iPhone, if you smash the power button five times,

28:44SPEAKERyou think you're about to get pulled over by the cops,

28:46SPEAKERit won't unlock without a passcode at that point.

28:49SPEAKERSo there's all sorts of stuff on that front.

28:55SPEAKERWhether the courts can compel you

28:58SPEAKERto give over a biometric ID under warrant

29:01SPEAKERvaries on a state-by-state basis in the United States

29:04SPEAKERand is all over the place in the rest of the world.

29:07SPEAKERSo if you're really worried about this,

29:10SPEAKERyou should lock your pass keys behind a passcode

29:12SPEAKERbecause that's protected,

29:14SPEAKERbecause that's a Fifth Amendment thing in the U.S. at least.

29:17SPEAKER- Doesn't that defeat the convenience factor, though,

29:21SPEAKERof the passkey?

29:21SPEAKER- I mean, if you're worried about court orders

29:23SPEAKERthat are gonna make you unlock your phone,

29:25SPEAKERthen you probably are willing to type in a six-digit number.

29:28SPEAKER- Yeah, fair.

29:29SPEAKER- Yeah.

29:30SPEAKER- Fair.

29:31SPEAKERThere's a lot there going on.

29:32SPEAKER- It is wildly complicated.

29:34SPEAKERIt's funny, there's been a couple of cases,

29:35SPEAKERI did some reading about this this morning,

29:37SPEAKERthere've been a couple of cases that the Supreme Court

29:39SPEAKERthat would have established a federal precedent on this

29:42SPEAKERthat the Supreme Court has declined to take

29:44SPEAKERover the last 10 years.

29:46SPEAKERAnd everybody's just kind of waiting.

29:50SPEAKERThis is part of the reason that Apple is doing end-to-end

29:53SPEAKERencryption on stuff that you upload to iCloud and all that

29:55SPEAKERso that they don't actually have the keys

29:56SPEAKERand can't be compelled to give them.

29:58SPEAKERAnd then it's all entirely on the user

30:01SPEAKERand their legal battle at this point.

30:03SPEAKERThe one nice thing is if the cops do...

30:08SPEAKERThe good thing about this is if this ever happens

30:10SPEAKERand you get your phone searched

30:12SPEAKERand you think it's an illegal search

30:13SPEAKERand you make your case well

30:15SPEAKERand you hire really expensive lawyers,

30:18SPEAKERyou might get to go to the Supreme Court, who knows?

30:21SPEAKER- Get your name on a precedent.

30:23SPEAKER- Yeah.

30:24SPEAKER- That's cited for the next several decades.

30:26SPEAKER- That's interesting.

30:26SPEAKERI'm resisting the urge to ask more questions about this.

30:28SPEAKER- No, go for it.

30:29SPEAKERI read a shitload of articles this morning about it.

30:32SPEAKER- We should save them for the full episode.

30:34SPEAKERI mean, the main one I'm curious about

30:35SPEAKERis if this is all adhering to one standard

30:38SPEAKERor if every provider has their own method of authenticating.

30:41SPEAKER- For pass keys?

30:42SPEAKER- For pass keys, yeah.

30:44SPEAKER- So it's mostly done at a system level.

30:45SPEAKERSo it's Apple, Microsoft, and Google for the most part.

30:48SPEAKERAnd yeah, they're using their versions of the...

30:54SPEAKERSo it's Windows Hello on the Microsoft side.

30:57SPEAKERIt is as secure as your provider is.

31:00SPEAKERSo like Windows Hello lets you use a face camera

31:03SPEAKERif you have the right kind of camera,

31:04SPEAKERa fingerprint sensor, or a passcode.

31:08SPEAKERThe iPhone lets you use touch ID or face ID

31:10SPEAKERdepending on the device or a passcode.

31:12SPEAKERAnd same thing for Google.

31:13SPEAKERI think you can do the pattern on Google too,

31:14SPEAKERwhich turns out if you lock your phone with that

31:17SPEAKERand forget what the pattern is,

31:17SPEAKERit's insanely difficult to remember it.

31:20SPEAKER- That's for...

31:20SPEAKER- I've got an Android phone in the drawer

31:24SPEAKERthat I believe I'm on my last attempt on

31:26SPEAKERto remember the little swipey pattern to get into that phone.

31:30SPEAKER- I always did a G.

31:32SPEAKER- I don't think there's anything

31:32SPEAKERtoo valuable on there, thankfully.

31:35SPEAKERAlso got that old Windows phone you gave me

31:37SPEAKERis in the exact same state, except that's an alphanumeric.

31:40SPEAKERI think the contents of both of those phones

31:42SPEAKERare lost forever.

31:44SPEAKER- I always do the same alphanumeric.

31:47SPEAKER- It was a very long time ago.

31:49SPEAKERIt was, it's gone, sadly.

31:52SPEAKER- I'm sorry.

31:53SPEAKER- That's all right.

31:55SPEAKERLet's see, question from Bravenbark.

31:59SPEAKERDo y'all archive or hoard any data

32:01SPEAKERthat you do not produce and why?

32:03SPEAKERFor example, I have about 30,000 podcast episodes archived

32:06SPEAKERin case various networks or sites ever shut down.

32:09SPEAKERI do this because an old podcast from 2014

32:13SPEAKERcalled "Promptly Written" is missing episode 17,

32:17SPEAKERwhich is an implicit cry for help.

32:21SPEAKERI have posted $100 bounties on multiple websites,

32:24SPEAKERbut it doesn't seem to exist.

32:26SPEAKERAgain, I'll say just in case anybody

32:28SPEAKERmaybe wants to help here.

32:29SPEAKERI guess this is episode 17 of a podcast

32:31SPEAKERcalled "Promptly Written."

32:35SPEAKERAlso, G-PODR is a little buggy with that many episodes,

32:37SPEAKERso if you know of a better pod catcher for Windows,

32:40SPEAKERI would appreciate it.

32:42SPEAKER- I try not to do this intentionally.

32:48SPEAKER- Yeah, I'm mostly there with you, mostly.

32:52SPEAKER- I have, I've ripped all of the DVDs

32:55SPEAKERand Blu-rays I've ever bought.

32:57SPEAKER- Yeah, that's fair.

32:57SPEAKERI mean, it's stuff you buy, I think,

32:58SPEAKERis probably outside of this scope of this question.

33:01SPEAKERI think that's legit, like, hey, you've spent money on this,

33:04SPEAKERso you want to back it up.

33:05SPEAKERI think this is more just like publicly available data

33:08SPEAKERthat probably isn't gonna go away,

33:10SPEAKERbut you never know, like, actually, the more I think

33:14SPEAKERabout this and the more we go through this,

33:16SPEAKERthe less confident I am in saying

33:18SPEAKERit's probably never gonna go away,

33:19SPEAKER'cause even stuff that really seems like

33:21SPEAKERit'll never go away often does.

33:23SPEAKER- Well, yeah, like, it's funny.

33:25SPEAKERI went back to try to find a copy of a maximum,

33:28SPEAKERlike, I uploaded all of the, or I got people to upload

33:32SPEAKERall of the maximum PC archives through, like, 2010

33:37SPEAKERto Google Books and archive.org,

33:42SPEAKERand even that stuff's hard to find, right?

33:44SPEAKERLike, it's easy to lose all of that stuff.

33:49SPEAKER- For sure, I mean, the obvious contemporary example

33:52SPEAKERis the ongoing Twitter disaster

33:54SPEAKERand the amount of historical material on Twitter

33:57SPEAKERthat may just vanish at some point.

33:59SPEAKER- How many broken embeds there are on old articles,

34:02SPEAKEReven at this point, from people

34:03SPEAKERwho shut down their accounts now?

34:04SPEAKER- Yes, I mean, one that's close to home

34:06SPEAKERand much more in line with this question

34:09SPEAKERis that this may have changed recently,

34:12SPEAKERand if it has, I apologize, but last I checked,

34:14SPEAKERthere are quite a few giant bomb podcasts

34:17SPEAKERthat are currently inaccessible on giant bomb.

34:20SPEAKER- Really?

34:20SPEAKER- Yes, I don't know if that's still the case or not,

34:23SPEAKERbut I've seen a whole lot of people saying

34:24SPEAKERthe downloads have been broken for a bit.

34:28SPEAKERAgain, they-

34:29SPEAKER- Of like old episodes?

34:30SPEAKER- Yeah, yes, these are like very years old,

34:32SPEAKERdecade old podcasts, to be clear.

34:35SPEAKER- Well, I mean, yeah, like Tested shut down their podcast

34:39SPEAKERa few months ago, and all of that stuff's gone

34:40SPEAKERfrom their site now, which is a bummer.

34:42SPEAKER- Yeah, I mean, stuff like this, I think,

34:44SPEAKERhas been archived pretty consistently.

34:45SPEAKERI'm sure all the Tested stuff is on archive.org or similar.

34:48SPEAKER- I believe somebody uploaded it at all to archive.org.

34:52SPEAKER- But I tend to only archive stuff of this nature

34:55SPEAKERthat I want to actively use off and on,

34:59SPEAKERlike games, basically, like, you know, Mr. Stuff,

35:02SPEAKERbut I've also, I've been,

35:03SPEAKERmaybe we'll talk about this on the patron episode.

35:06SPEAKERI'm kind of back down the scum VM rabbit hole.

35:08SPEAKER- Ooh.

35:09SPEAKER- So I have been getting a lot of adventure game stuff

35:12SPEAKERfrom archive.org that I'm worried

35:14SPEAKERmay not be as accessible in the future, for example.

35:18SPEAKER- It's funny, I feel like there's a certain level of game

35:22SPEAKERthat is never, like, will always be around.

35:27SPEAKERThere's a certain level of success.

35:30SPEAKER- Sure, yeah.

35:32SPEAKER- But then once you cross that threshold and get into, like,

35:36SPEAKERI mean, like there's games that I played when I was a kid

35:38SPEAKERthat I'm sure are not available now.

35:40SPEAKER- Yeah, for sure.

35:42SPEAKERI mean, you know, like obviously, like full throttle,

35:44SPEAKERprobably you're always going to be able to find

35:46SPEAKERZack McCracken, maybe not.

35:48SPEAKER- Yeah.

35:49SPEAKER- I don't know.

35:51SPEAKERThat's been fun, actually,

35:53SPEAKERis going through archive.org

35:56SPEAKERand looking at all the, like, re-releases of those games

35:59SPEAKERthat happened over time.

36:00SPEAKER- Yeah.

36:00SPEAKER- And it's like, do I want to go get, like,

36:03SPEAKERthe original version of "King's Quest VII"

36:05SPEAKERor there's the Roberta Williams anthology

36:08SPEAKERthat came out some years later that has, like,

36:10SPEAKERthere's a 2.0 version of "King's Quest VII" on there

36:12SPEAKERthat I guess must have some stuff fixed in it and so forth.

36:15SPEAKERYou know, stuff like that,

36:16SPEAKERjust like seeing the different sort of anthology

36:18SPEAKERand collection re-releases that happened over time.

36:21SPEAKER- Yeah, I like, it's funny,

36:24SPEAKERI do have some stuff that I save when you say it like that.

36:27SPEAKERLike, I like to collect glitchy,

36:29SPEAKERwhen people upload the wrong video.

36:33SPEAKERI have a bunch of, for example,

36:37SPEAKERthat Tom Cruise "The Mummy" trailer

36:39SPEAKERwhen they uploaded the 5.1 audio mix

36:45SPEAKERwith no left and right channels to YouTube of the trailer

36:47SPEAKERand it's just like, no sound, but smashing and sound,

36:51SPEAKERlike, I have that, I save that one.

36:53SPEAKERI save stuff like that, that's what I save.

36:56SPEAKERIt's not comprehensive.

36:58SPEAKER- I cannot log it.

36:59SPEAKER- Yeah.

37:00SPEAKER- That's fun.

37:02SPEAKERLet's see here.

37:05SPEAKERYou know, this, well, wait, hang on.

37:07SPEAKERI was gonna say, I have a question here from BrettG102

37:09SPEAKERthat kind of dovetails directly with this question,

37:12SPEAKERbut then you wrote patronep next to it, what does it mean?

37:15SPEAKER- It means we should talk about it in the patronep

37:16SPEAKER'cause he's out there asking about the...

37:19SPEAKERI mean, we can talk about it here,

37:20SPEAKERwe can talk about the patronep too.

37:22SPEAKER'Cause there's two parts of the question.

37:25SPEAKERDo you wanna read it?

37:25SPEAKER- Yeah, yes, from BrettG102.

37:28SPEAKERWith the impending death of Reddit,

37:29SPEAKERdo you have any thoughts on the consolidation

37:31SPEAKERof the internet to seemingly fewer locales?

37:35SPEAKERScarily, these locales also failed to produce any profit

37:38SPEAKERand are increasingly in a doom spiral

37:40SPEAKERwith zero interest rates, a thing of the past.

37:44SPEAKERWe're all gathered on one

37:45SPEAKERof those money burning platforms now.

37:48SPEAKERAny qualms about this community and its content

37:50SPEAKERone day just disappearing?

37:51SPEAKERMaybe we'll save that part for the patronep.

37:53SPEAKER- Yeah, I mean, the TLDR is that there are

37:56SPEAKERDiscord alternatives that are open now.

37:58SPEAKER- Yes.

37:59SPEAKER- Which would be pretty trivial for us to move to

38:02SPEAKERif the free ride went away.

38:07SPEAKER- You're basically talking about the mastodon of Discord?

38:10SPEAKER- Yeah, I mean, there's a couple...

38:12SPEAKERThere've been a couple of projects

38:13SPEAKERthat are in a pretty good spot now.

38:15SPEAKER- Yeah, I had been keeping up with them

38:16SPEAKERand I've completely forgotten what they even are.

38:18SPEAKERIs it Matrix?

38:19SPEAKERMatrix is one of them?

38:19SPEAKER- Matrix is one of them, and there's another one

38:21SPEAKERthat starts with R that I can't remember the name of.

38:23SPEAKER- It's not Rocket Chat, is it?

38:24SPEAKER- No, I don't know about that one, actually.

38:27SPEAKER- Rocket Chat, I think, is more of a Slack competitor.

38:30SPEAKERIt's open source as well, but I'm thinking Rocket

38:32SPEAKERis more Slack-y than Discord-y.

38:35SPEAKER- Anyway, there are self-hosted alternatives to Discord.

38:38SPEAKERDiscord's just convenient because you don't have

38:40SPEAKERto make a new account and you don't have to sign it.

38:42SPEAKERFor people who are already...

38:45SPEAKERGiven that our people who are listening to this podcast

38:48SPEAKERprobably are also into games based on age and demographics,

38:53SPEAKERpeople likely already have a Discord account

38:55SPEAKERis why we do Discord.

38:59SPEAKERI do think that the overall move

39:02SPEAKERfrom these centralized services funded by venture capital

39:06SPEAKERand that are public companies with all the expectations

39:10SPEAKERthat that comes with is a good thing, probably.

39:12SPEAKER- And with closed platforms.

39:14SPEAKER- Yeah, like the diaspora from Twitter and Reddit

39:19SPEAKERto Mastodon and Blue Sky and Lemmy

39:25SPEAKERand all the different places that the Reddit communities

39:27SPEAKERare moving probably is ultimately a good...

39:32SPEAKERAll this stuff is cyclical, right?

39:34SPEAKER- Yeah, yes, we very much feel like

39:37SPEAKERthe pendulum is swinging back toward the way things were

39:39SPEAKERin the late '90s to early this century

39:42SPEAKERof just smaller communities everywhere,

39:44SPEAKERwhich has its pros and cons, right?

39:45SPEAKER- Yeah.

39:46SPEAKER- Like there is a downside to everybody not being

39:49SPEAKERon the same microblog anymore.

39:52SPEAKER- Well, and it's harder.

39:53SPEAKER- It impacts discoverability.

39:54SPEAKERLike some people are gonna have a hard time getting noticed

39:56SPEAKERwho are trying to, who are up and coming

39:58SPEAKERor just people who are hoping to find like-minded people,

40:03SPEAKERlike as things silo and are fractured,

40:06SPEAKERit's gonna be harder to...

40:07SPEAKERIt's just gonna take more legwork

40:08SPEAKERlike it did back in the day to find communities

40:11SPEAKERthat have what you're looking for.

40:12SPEAKER- Well, and it offloads the moderation

40:15SPEAKERfrom these funded entities to mostly volunteers, right?

40:20SPEAKERLike the moderation of these communities,

40:22SPEAKERespecially once you cross a certain size,

40:24SPEAKERgoes from being something that's like,

40:26SPEAKERhey, check this once or twice a week

40:27SPEAKERand hit a button or two,

40:29SPEAKERto rapidly increases to become full-time jobs

40:33SPEAKERwith complicated questions

40:34SPEAKERthat there aren't easy answers for.

40:36SPEAKER- Yeah.

40:36SPEAKER- And all the way up to having legal overhead and liability

40:40SPEAKERwhen you cross certain thresholds,

40:42SPEAKERdepending on the region that you live in

40:43SPEAKERand where your users are.

40:45SPEAKER- So, you know, it really...

40:49SPEAKERThe secret of Twitter and to a lesser extent Reddit

40:51SPEAKERand Facebook and all the other stuff

40:52SPEAKERis that they made moderation a business, right?

40:56SPEAKERAnd I think that that is the thing.

40:59SPEAKERAs a result, we have legislation that makes moderation

41:03SPEAKERa requirement for certain types of communities

41:05SPEAKERand online these days.

41:07SPEAKERAnd I think that we're gonna see...

41:10SPEAKERLike that's the challenge as for this first wave

41:13SPEAKERof the diaspora away from the centralized social stuff.

41:16SPEAKERHonestly, I'm just really grateful

41:19SPEAKERthat the crypto stuff flamed out

41:21SPEAKERbefore we reached this point

41:24SPEAKERbefore people started actually branching off

41:25SPEAKERso that people aren't trying to build all this stuff

41:27SPEAKERon the blockchain where it'd be slow, stupid and expensive.

41:29SPEAKER- Yes, for sure.

41:30SPEAKER- And we're just doing it with good old MySQL databases.

41:34SPEAKER- Yep. - Postgres.

41:35SPEAKER- Yeah.

41:36SPEAKERMan, that Reddit stuff is...

41:38SPEAKERI mean, I'm not really addressing the policy here,

41:40SPEAKERbut more of the human factor around it.

41:43SPEAKERLike the interviews with the CEO and everything,

41:45SPEAKERlike more specifically what I'm talking about here

41:48SPEAKERis the idea that tech CEO's bad behavior

41:52SPEAKERhas just become mutually reinforcing at this point.

41:55SPEAKER- I mean, I think it's gonna work itself out

41:56SPEAKERin Reddit's case, but the...

41:59SPEAKER- I mean, you know, like basically this was obvious

42:02SPEAKERbefore it got reported and confirmed

42:05SPEAKERthat the mentality is essentially people looking at Musk

42:07SPEAKERand what he's doing with Twitter and basically saying like,

42:09SPEAKER"Yeah, we should do that too."

42:09SPEAKERLike, "Well, shit, if he can get away with it,

42:11SPEAKERthen so can we."

42:13SPEAKER- When, I mean, you say that,

42:15SPEAKERbut Twitter's valuation has gone,

42:17SPEAKERis probably a quarter of what it was

42:19SPEAKERwhen you bought Twitter. - Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

42:20SPEAKER- Like if you look at Musk and what Musk has done to Twitter

42:22SPEAKERand you're like, "Man, this is a really good idea.

42:24SPEAKERWe should fucking do this

42:24SPEAKERwith our moderately successful business."

42:27SPEAKERLike it...

42:28SPEAKERWhere I come from turning a moderately successful business

42:31SPEAKERinto a completely unsuccessful train wreck

42:34SPEAKERisn't a good fucking business decision, but...

42:36SPEAKER- I'm not saying it's gonna pay off for them

42:37SPEAKERin the longterm, it's just gonna do untold amounts

42:40SPEAKERof collateral damage in the process.

42:41SPEAKERYou know, it's like, I don't know if you tried to follow

42:44SPEAKERany of the Russian insurrection stuff on Twitter last night.

42:47SPEAKER- It's impossible.

42:48SPEAKER- It's like the information environment

42:50SPEAKERis so poisoned at this point.

42:51SPEAKERLike, I mean, granted, it's an edge case

42:54SPEAKERwhere information coming out off of the ground

42:57SPEAKERis very hard to come by because it's a country

42:59SPEAKERwith a non-existent free press and et cetera, et cetera.

43:03SPEAKERI think the source reporting

43:05SPEAKEReven is pretty lacking in this case,

43:07SPEAKERbut like trying to follow this major news event

43:09SPEAKERon Twitter last night was like, it made my head split open.

43:12SPEAKER- It's the first time there's been a major news thing

43:15SPEAKERhappen since Twitter kind of went to shit.

43:19SPEAKERAnd it made me realize how important Twitter was for me

43:22SPEAKERin these times.

43:23SPEAKER- But that's more what I'm getting at.

43:25SPEAKERIt's not like they're gonna make all these shitty anti-user

43:28SPEAKERand anti-employee changes and are going to thrive with them.

43:31SPEAKERIt's more just like, look at damage they're gonna do

43:35SPEAKERon the way.

43:37SPEAKER- I was talking to a friend the other day

43:38SPEAKERand they were like,

43:42SPEAKERthere's a feeling as I get older of being,

43:45SPEAKERI don't wanna say, like, this is gonna sound the wrong,

43:48SPEAKERcome out the wrong way,

43:49SPEAKERbut I often feel kind of generally unemployable

43:51SPEAKERin a traditional sense, right?

43:53SPEAKERLike, I am not, if you look at job postings,

43:57SPEAKERthere's not a, like, I don't know the new JavaScript

44:00SPEAKERframework that everybody's excited about

44:02SPEAKERand I don't, I'm not gonna contribute in that way.

44:06SPEAKERBut I did spend 15 years telling people the different ways

44:10SPEAKERthat they would fuck up their businesses

44:12SPEAKERand was consistently right about it.

44:15SPEAKERAnd like, I feel generally pretty good about my ability

44:18SPEAKERto look at the options in front of us

44:19SPEAKERand pick the one that's least damaging

44:21SPEAKERor maybe steer into things that will help us grow a business

44:24SPEAKERrather than shrink a business.

44:27SPEAKERAnd I don't, like, these people desperately need

44:36SPEAKERthose people in those roles.

44:38SPEAKERBecause, like, this is a complete,

44:40SPEAKERlike, the Reddit thing is a perfect example

44:42SPEAKERof an own goal, right?

44:44SPEAKERHe's sitting here, there, they have two,

44:49SPEAKERin corporate America where you have shareholders

44:51SPEAKERto keep happy and you have users to keep happy

44:53SPEAKERor customers to keep, traditional customers to keep happy,

44:57SPEAKERso they keep buying your shit so the share price goes up

44:59SPEAKERso the shareholders stay happy so you keep your job.

45:02SPEAKERYou have to respect those people

45:04SPEAKERwho aren't the real business,

45:06SPEAKERbut that are driving the business.

45:08SPEAKERAnd the thing that Reddit is not doing is that.

45:10SPEAKERAnd they're gonna run off,

45:11SPEAKERthey're going up to the moderators

45:12SPEAKER'cause they think people hate the moderators.

45:15SPEAKERBut as soon as the moderators are gone

45:16SPEAKERfrom those communities,

45:17SPEAKERthe communities all start to crumble

45:19SPEAKERbecause there's nothing worse than an unmoderated Reddit.

45:25SPEAKER- That's for sure.

45:26SPEAKER- So, yeah, it's, like, you have to respect the users.

45:30SPEAKERAnd if you don't respect the users,

45:32SPEAKERthen your entire thing will stop being a,

45:36SPEAKERwhich is what happened to Digg 15 years ago.

45:38SPEAKERIt's like they don't fucking pay attention

45:40SPEAKERto the history of the internet, anyway.

45:43SPEAKER- Pleasing shareholders should be a passive trickle-down

45:45SPEAKERconsequence of pleasing users actively, right?

45:48SPEAKER- That's not how you get those $100 million bonuses, Brad.

45:50SPEAKER- Like, what the, it seems so obvious.

45:54SPEAKERPlease the people who you need to keep the business going

45:56SPEAKERand the people who want to make the money from it

45:58SPEAKERwill be happy downstream of that.

46:01SPEAKER- Brad, this is why we have a podcast

46:02SPEAKERthat tens of thousands of people listen to

46:04SPEAKERinstead of a website that hundreds

46:05SPEAKERof millions of people use.

46:06SPEAKER- Well, fair.

46:07SPEAKERYeah, I mean, that really is the problem, right?

46:09SPEAKERIs that they're not just happy making the money,

46:11SPEAKERthey want-

46:12SPEAKER- All of it.

46:12SPEAKER- They want the money times 10.

46:13SPEAKER- And they want it to always be getting more.

46:15SPEAKER- Yes.

46:16SPEAKER- Always be growing the amount of money you're making.

46:18SPEAKER- Yes, yes.

46:22SPEAKERLet's see, I have another question.

46:25SPEAKEROkay, well, we may have just covered this,

46:30SPEAKERor we may have just answered this,

46:31SPEAKERbut let's ask it anyway and see if there's any others

46:33SPEAKERwe can come up with.

46:35SPEAKERQuestion from Cakebatter, it's halfway through the year.

46:38SPEAKERCan we get a prediction for tech oofs of the year?

46:41SPEAKER- There's no way it's not Twitter.

46:42SPEAKER- Yeah, he's like, will Twitter remain number one,

46:45SPEAKERor do you think an upstart like Reddit

46:47SPEAKERcan displace them by year end?

46:49SPEAKERYeah, it's impossible to imagine anything being worse

46:52SPEAKERthan Elon Musk and Twitter.

46:53SPEAKER- I mean, look, now hold on.

46:57SPEAKERIs it impossible to imagine anything is worse

46:59SPEAKERthan Elon Musk and Twitter?

47:00SPEAKER- I mean, that's a little bit of careless hyperbole,

47:03SPEAKERto be fair, which I engage in on the regular,

47:05SPEAKERbut although I don't know if he's richest at the moment.

47:09SPEAKER- Not anymore, probably.

47:11SPEAKER- Well, I think it goes back and forth.

47:12SPEAKERI know he slipped number two at some point,

47:14SPEAKERbut you could argue that the world's richest person

47:17SPEAKERbecoming an out and out Nazi is pretty hard to beat.

47:23SPEAKER- I think about, I mean, look,

47:26SPEAKERif Microsoft shipped some sort of malware

47:28SPEAKERwith a Windows update, that'd be up there,

47:31SPEAKER'cause that actually impacts everybody

47:32SPEAKERinstead of just the people who are crazy enough

47:34SPEAKERto still be on Twitter 20 years in 2023.

47:41SPEAKERI can't think of, I mean, when Elon Musk gets called

47:47SPEAKERto Congress to testify about the self-driving fiasco

47:51SPEAKERthat he's made over at Tesla, and he stands up and says,

47:55SPEAKERwell, yeah, we figure if we kill 50,000 people

47:57SPEAKERto save 150,000 lives over the next 10 years,

47:59SPEAKERit's probably worth it, like that'd be bad.

48:02SPEAKERSeems like the kind of shit he would do.

48:04SPEAKER- That would be pretty bad.

48:05SPEAKER- Yeah, I don't know, but maybe some tech bros,

48:08SPEAKERlike let's make a real life version of the trolley problem

48:10SPEAKERand put it in an amusement park.

48:13SPEAKER- That would be pretty bad as well.

48:14SPEAKER- That would be pretty bad.

48:16SPEAKERI don't know, I can't imagine anything's gonna be worse.

48:18SPEAKERI hope to God nothing is worse than Twitter.

48:20SPEAKER- Yes, that would be pretty bad.

48:23SPEAKERYeah, I mean, like I said, we kind of already answered this,

48:26SPEAKERlike seeing what has happened to that platform

48:29SPEAKERand the value that it had to a lot of people

48:31SPEAKERfor a lot of different reasons

48:32SPEAKERthat is now gone is pretty rough.

48:34SPEAKER- Yeah.

48:36SPEAKER- All right.

48:40SPEAKERGosh, got a few more here.

48:42SPEAKERHow about, all right, let's just keep going here.

48:46SPEAKERLet's just keep with the predictions and pie in the sky stuff.

48:49SPEAKERHere's another question from Warbird.

48:52SPEAKERWhat is a next five years tech development

48:54SPEAKERthat you were personally excited about?

48:56SPEAKERWhat about a next 10 plus years one?

48:59SPEAKER- What if there's an EMP

49:00SPEAKERthat just breaks every computer in the world?

49:04SPEAKER- Does that count as a development?

49:05SPEAKER- I think it's a development.

49:06SPEAKER- I suppose that's a development in a negative direction.

49:11SPEAKER- I don't know.

49:13SPEAKERI've reached a point where I almost have

49:15SPEAKERa little bit of dread when people,

49:17SPEAKERI can't have a great new idea for a thing.

49:22SPEAKERRight, like, I'm not excited

49:24SPEAKERabout what's happening with the AI.

49:26SPEAKERI feel unenthusiastic at best

49:28SPEAKERand profoundly worried if I'm more real about it.

49:33SPEAKER- Yeah.

49:35SPEAKERI mean, here's a fairly minor one.

49:38SPEAKER- Okay.

49:39SPEAKER- But he did just ask for a development

49:41SPEAKERthat you're excited about.

49:43SPEAKERWe talked about, I forget which episode it was on,

49:46SPEAKERrecently you bought some wifi smart bulbs.

49:49SPEAKER- Yeah.

49:50SPEAKER- And I was all ready to go get some

49:50SPEAKERand I was reminded like, oh wait,

49:52SPEAKERmatter and thread are a thing.

49:53SPEAKERI had told myself no more internet of shit devices

49:57SPEAKERuntil they're all thread.

50:00SPEAKERI'm pretty excited about that.

50:01SPEAKERLike I think I missed the Zigbee boat

50:05SPEAKERand I kind of want to get all of those

50:07SPEAKERhome automation things off of the wifi

50:09SPEAKERand onto their own thing.

50:11SPEAKER- Yeah, I'm gonna have to figure out

50:11SPEAKERhow to add more IP addresses to my subnet before too long.

50:15SPEAKER- Yeah, that's the thing I want to avoid.

50:17SPEAKERLike I almost bought a four pack of those

50:18SPEAKERor six pack of the smart bulbs

50:20SPEAKERand then I was like, do I really need all of these?

50:22SPEAKERI'm like cluttering the wifi network with all of this.

50:27SPEAKER- Yeah, it's probably fine.

50:27SPEAKER- Seems like maybe, well, especially with the awful quality

50:31SPEAKERof the wifi signal in this place.

50:32SPEAKER- Well, that's true.

50:34SPEAKER- Cramming it full of devices isn't gonna help.

50:37SPEAKERThread is not there yet though, it's getting there.

50:40SPEAKER- Yeah, I have a couple of matter/thread devices

50:44SPEAKERthat are, it's early.

50:47SPEAKER- Yeah.

50:48SPEAKER- And then just pairing them is more challenging.

50:50SPEAKERPairing with an Apple device is a piece of cake.

50:53SPEAKERPairing with my home assistant is challenging.

50:55SPEAKER- Oh, interesting.

50:56SPEAKERI thought that that was one of the things

50:57SPEAKERthat Thread was supposed to make better,

50:58SPEAKERbut I guess I should not have been so naive.

51:00SPEAKER- It's, I think we're, I've only tried it once.

51:04SPEAKERI didn't spend that much time with it.

51:06SPEAKERIt was partly because the, I think the implementation

51:09SPEAKERon the home assistant side is a little bit early still.

51:11SPEAKERAnd partly because the device predates anything

51:15SPEAKERother than Apple and maybe Google having

51:18SPEAKERimplementations.

51:19SPEAKERSo it's, I may need to connect it to an Apple device,

51:22SPEAKERupdate it, and then pull it off of the Apple device

51:27SPEAKERand put it onto the home assistant.

51:30SPEAKER- Yeah, speaking of home assistant,

51:31SPEAKERsomething I don't know if you knew about this,

51:32SPEAKERI did not until I just stumbled on it

51:34SPEAKERat the end of a blog post from a few months ago.

51:37SPEAKERSo you have a home assistant yellow,

51:39SPEAKERlike that's kind of their big new hardware thing.

51:41SPEAKER- Yeah.

51:41SPEAKER- They've also shipped the Zigbee/Thread functionality

51:46SPEAKERof that thing in a little $30 USB dongle.

51:48SPEAKER- Yeah, that's, I had a similar device

51:50SPEAKERfor my old home assistant install

51:53SPEAKERthat was just a Silicon Labs radio that plugged in.

51:57SPEAKER- Oh, okay, so theirs uses a Silicon Labs chip.

52:00SPEAKERSo maybe there are off-brand ones you couldn't get as well.

52:03SPEAKERTheirs is called Sky Connect.

52:04SPEAKER- Yeah, mine predated the Matter and Threads,

52:06SPEAKERso it wouldn't have worked for Matter and Thread.

52:09SPEAKER- The bummer is they're only supporting that thing

52:11SPEAKERon the full OS image install version

52:15SPEAKERof Home Assistant as with a lot of their features.

52:18SPEAKERSo anybody using the Docker version

52:19SPEAKERor the core version like me is kind of out of luck now.

52:22SPEAKER- I will, having done both of those in the past,

52:25SPEAKERthe full image one is way easier to maintain.

52:28SPEAKER- Yeah, I know.

52:30SPEAKER- It is the right solution for about 99% of people.

52:34SPEAKER- I know, I just don't want to get yet another device

52:37SPEAKERto put a thing on.

52:39SPEAKER- Look, man, it's not a device,

52:42SPEAKERit's a container for other devices.

52:45SPEAKER(indistinct)

52:48SPEAKER- We're gonna do this email at the top.

52:50SPEAKER- What's that?

52:50SPEAKER- We're gonna do this email up at the top.

52:52SPEAKER- Oh, sure.

52:53SPEAKEROkay, yes.

52:56SPEAKERThis is kind of related to the one

52:59SPEAKERwe were talking about a minute ago.

53:00SPEAKERHow should I spend my time on the internet?

53:02SPEAKERThis is from Burton.

53:04SPEAKER- Hi, Burton.

53:05SPEAKER- I'm at a point where I'm not super interested

53:07SPEAKERin browsing social media with what's been happening

53:09SPEAKERwith Reddit and their API changes.

53:11SPEAKERI think I'll use that as a point to break my habit

53:14SPEAKERof doom scrolling Reddit,

53:15SPEAKERbut I don't really know what to do with my phone

53:17SPEAKERand my downtime anymore.

53:18SPEAKERShould I just get into reading books?

53:21SPEAKERShould I try and find some non Reddit based forums?

53:23SPEAKERI've never used Discord.

53:24SPEAKERShould I figure out that world?

53:27SPEAKERIf it's helpful context, I'm 32.

53:29SPEAKERSo I'm at that cusp age where I remember

53:31SPEAKERnot always having constant internet access,

53:33SPEAKERbut I was on in eighth grade

53:36SPEAKERwhen I got my non smart first cell phone.

53:41SPEAKEREighth grade, I can't imagine.

53:42SPEAKERI was in my 20s, I was in my 20s, yeah.

53:46SPEAKER23 when I got my first cell phone.

53:48SPEAKER- I mean, I think this is the year

53:50SPEAKERmy daughter gets her phone probably if I had to guess.

53:54SPEAKER'Cause it seems like fifth grade

53:55SPEAKERis when people get phones these days.

53:58SPEAKERI'm curious.

53:59SPEAKERActually, I'm curious if people,

54:00SPEAKERwhat age did you get your kid's phone

54:01SPEAKERif you have kids that are about my daughter's age?

54:06SPEAKERI've started sketching.

54:08SPEAKER- Okay, on the iPad.

54:10SPEAKER- Yeah, I just get the iPad and I grab a picture

54:13SPEAKERof something I want to learn how to draw.

54:15SPEAKERAnd then I use that to learn how to do the shading

54:17SPEAKERand stuff on it to make it look right.

54:18SPEAKERAnd then I try drawing it without the sketch

54:20SPEAKERbehind it on the onion skin and it always looks bad,

54:24SPEAKERbut it's pretty fun.

54:24SPEAKER- The more you do something, the better you get.

54:27SPEAKER- It's working out so far.

54:30SPEAKER- Gosh, this is a tough question

54:32SPEAKERthat doesn't have a good specific answer.

54:36SPEAKERI mean, I'm kind of extra feeling this

54:38SPEAKERthe last few months as well,

54:41SPEAKERof the more time I spend on social media,

54:43SPEAKERthe angrier I feel.

54:46SPEAKERAnd there's a real balancing act there

54:50SPEAKERof I need to feel like I know what's going on in the world,

54:52SPEAKERbut also this is clearly not doing anybody any good.

54:55SPEAKER- Yeah, that's where I'm at.

54:58SPEAKERI see ice cap data and I'm like,

55:02SPEAKER"Well, I need to go do something else.

55:04SPEAKERI need to touch grass for a little while."

55:08SPEAKERI think reading is good.

55:12SPEAKER- Reading is good. - I like reading.

55:13SPEAKER- I've been rediscovering my Kindle,

55:15SPEAKEReven though I am increasingly feeling like I made a mistake

55:17SPEAKERgetting a new Kindle instead of getting a Kobo.

55:20SPEAKER- It's, I looked at getting a Kobo

55:22SPEAKERwhen it was time to replace our Kindles and getting books.

55:27SPEAKERIt was challenging outside of the library context.

55:30SPEAKER- Interesting.

55:31SPEAKERThe San Francisco library is a big part of it for me.

55:33SPEAKERThey are moving away from the system.

55:35SPEAKERThey'll let you put books on a Kindle

55:36SPEAKERand then moving to one that is compatible with Kobos.

55:39SPEAKERSo that's part of it.

55:40SPEAKER- There you go.

55:42SPEAKER- Books are good.

55:43SPEAKER- I mean, look, I've been,

55:49SPEAKERone of the things I've noticed this week

55:50SPEAKERis I've done about 10 times as much walking

55:53SPEAKERas I normally do on any given week

55:55SPEAKERwhen we were hiking all over DC.

55:58SPEAKERAnd my mental state is much better

56:01SPEAKERwhen I'm outside and going on walks and doing things,

56:04SPEAKEReven if they're not particularly taxing,

56:06SPEAKEReven if it's just walking a mile

56:07SPEAKERand then walking back has been pretty good.

56:11SPEAKER- Yeah, I don't know.

56:12SPEAKERI didn't think to mention that

56:14SPEAKER'cause I have also been walking a ton.

56:16SPEAKERI've been super hardcore trying to lose some weight

56:19SPEAKERand get more fit.

56:21SPEAKERI walked, I don't know,

56:22SPEAKERI probably walked like 20 miles this week.

56:24SPEAKER- Nice.

56:25SPEAKER- I mean, that was like an edge case.

56:27SPEAKERWe had some amazing weather while you were gone, actually.

56:30SPEAKER- Really?

56:30SPEAKER- You missed a three, four day window of just like 75

56:34SPEAKERand not a cloud in the sky for like half of a week.

56:37SPEAKER- That sounds great.

56:37SPEAKER- I walked 13 miles in two days, I think.

56:41SPEAKER- That's pretty good.

56:42SPEAKERLike walking down to the park and stuff?

56:44SPEAKER- Yeah, I have access to a lot of parks around here,

56:47SPEAKERGolden Gate and otherwise, so that helps.

56:50SPEAKERA lot of podcasts, doing a lot of podcast listening lately.

56:55SPEAKERMaybe there's another patron episode topic.

56:57SPEAKERGetting podcasts onto an Apple Watch is a goddamn nightmare.

57:01SPEAKER- Oh, yeah, the overcast works reasonably well,

57:04SPEAKERbut only if you want to do like one podcast.

57:06SPEAKER- Even that is rough, man, and I think it's Apple's fault.

57:10SPEAKERAll the apps blame Apple for the way

57:12SPEAKERthat the Apple Watch is able to download data.

57:14SPEAKERIt's a nightmare.

57:16SPEAKER- It's still kind of just like a viewer, basically, right?

57:19SPEAKER- Yes, like you kind of can't add them on the watch.

57:21SPEAKERYou have to sync from a phone,

57:23SPEAKERbut then getting it to sync reliably is a nightmare.

57:27SPEAKERThe phone, the--

57:28SPEAKER- Do you not take your phone with you when you go on a walk?

57:30SPEAKER- No, that's the whole thing I'm trying to avoid

57:32SPEAKERis I don't want a big, expensive thing

57:33SPEAKERbouncing around in my pocket.

57:35SPEAKER- So do you have cell on your watch?

57:39SPEAKER- No.

57:40SPEAKER- So what if you need help?

57:42SPEAKER- Oh, well, I don't tend to walk places

57:46SPEAKERwhere there are not people around.

57:47SPEAKER- Okay, okay.

57:48SPEAKER- I guess this is what I'm relying on there.

57:53SPEAKERAnyway.

57:54SPEAKER- Carry a backpack or anything?

57:55SPEAKER- No. - Okay.

57:57SPEAKER- I tried using an armband for the phone.

57:59SPEAKEREven that was kind of a pain.

58:00SPEAKER- Oh, yeah, those annoy me.

58:01SPEAKER- Like the watch, like Bluetooth is rock solid.

58:04SPEAKERLike the little dial is a volume knob.

58:08SPEAKERLike it works great as a podcast player

58:10SPEAKERjust getting the damn podcast on there.

58:12SPEAKER- I have a pair of Fabletics walking/jogging shorts

58:16SPEAKERthat have, they have like a compression inner

58:19SPEAKERand then just normal shorts on the outside.

58:21SPEAKERAnd the compression part has a phone slot

58:25SPEAKERthat just holds it right up against my leg

58:26SPEAKERand I usually wear those if I'm going someplace

58:29SPEAKERI don't want the phone bopping around.

58:30SPEAKER- You know what else I'll say?

58:31SPEAKERI mean, I guess there's do not disturb for this,

58:33SPEAKERbut it's also nice to just leave the phone at home.

58:36SPEAKER- I see, I just--

58:37SPEAKER- It's kind of nice to just go out for 45 minutes or an hour

58:39SPEAKERand not have a thing buzzing in your pocket

58:41SPEAKERand not even have the option to look at it.

58:43SPEAKER- See, I have the focus thing set to,

58:46SPEAKERI have one focus that's like literally no one can bother me.

58:49SPEAKER- Yeah, but you still might.

58:52SPEAKER- Eh, I have pretty good self-control.

58:53SPEAKERI also am often with my daughter or something,

58:55SPEAKERso we're chatting and I don't think about it.

58:58SPEAKER- Yeah, fair.

58:59SPEAKER- Oh, here, let me show you.

59:00SPEAKERHere's the shorts, they're good.

59:04SPEAKER- Pause for me.

59:05SPEAKER- Pause for shorts looking.

59:07SPEAKER- Pause for me to paint a word picture of your shorts,

59:09SPEAKERI don't know.

59:10SPEAKER- Yeah, I'm, hold on, I'm almost there.

59:13SPEAKERWhy am I, why is it giving me this?

59:15SPEAKERThis is annoying.

59:18SPEAKERI don't want to give you personal details.

59:20SPEAKERI just want to see the pants.

59:22SPEAKER- We should save this for after the episode.

59:23SPEAKER- God damn it.

59:25SPEAKERMy other answer to this question is it'll work itself out,

59:30SPEAKERwhich is not a satisfying answer,

59:31SPEAKERbut like, you don't know what you want

59:33SPEAKERuntil you find it, right?

59:35SPEAKEROr like, you don't know what you don't know,

59:38SPEAKERI guess is what I'm trying to say.

59:40SPEAKERLike there are communities out there,

59:41SPEAKERthere are platforms brewing,

59:42SPEAKERthere are all kinds of things that are going to happen

59:44SPEAKERon the internet as these shitty corporate platforms blow it

59:48SPEAKERthat you don't know about yet

59:49SPEAKERthat you are going to stumble on.

59:53SPEAKERAnd some of it just takes some time and some like work

59:56SPEAKERand some bouncing around as you,

59:59SPEAKERas things catch your interest.

1:00:00SPEAKER- The thing I'll say is that like,

1:00:04SPEAKERI'm getting different parts of the things

1:00:05SPEAKERthat I used to get from social media and Reddit

1:00:07SPEAKERand all those places in different places.

1:00:09SPEAKERLike I get the sense of community from Discord

1:00:11SPEAKERand I like that.

1:00:14SPEAKERI like the Discord community much better

1:00:17SPEAKERthan the kind of weird community

1:00:20SPEAKERand like hanging out with your friends in public

1:00:23SPEAKERthat we used to do on Twitter in the late 2000s,

1:00:26SPEAKERearly 2010s, right?

1:00:27SPEAKERLike I distinctly remember having conversations

1:00:31SPEAKERon Twitter with friends

1:00:32SPEAKERthat I would normally have had an IM or something,

1:00:33SPEAKERbut IM had gone away by then

1:00:35SPEAKERand you'd just be blasting messages back and forth

1:00:39SPEAKERto each other across the,

1:00:41SPEAKERlike on a public message board, basically.

1:00:44SPEAKERAnd that was, that felt fine for a while.

1:00:46SPEAKERAnd then once you crossed a certain threshold

1:00:48SPEAKERin terms of the number of people

1:00:49SPEAKERthat were also following both of you

1:00:50SPEAKERand you realized that like you were having this conversation

1:00:52SPEAKERand there were 5,000 people kind of watching in,

1:00:54SPEAKERwhich is fine.

1:00:55SPEAKERIt's how that stuff was set up and we hadn't,

1:00:57SPEAKERI hadn't really internalized what that meant

1:01:01SPEAKERand how that impacted me.

1:01:02SPEAKERAnd it changed the way I talked to my friends

1:01:04SPEAKERand that sucked.

1:01:06SPEAKERSo having a place that I can have,

1:01:08SPEAKERlike feel like I'm a part of these larger communities,

1:01:12SPEAKERlike our community and the Nexlander community

1:01:14SPEAKERand the tech, my Twitch community

1:01:17SPEAKERand my Anacrusis community and stuff like that.

1:01:19SPEAKERAnd then also have smaller areas

1:01:21SPEAKERwhere I can just chat with my very close friends

1:01:23SPEAKERabout stuff that I don't want to be public.

1:01:26SPEAKERTurns out it was really good

1:01:27SPEAKERand it works really well for me and I quite like it.

1:01:29SPEAKER- I have one more question.

1:01:31SPEAKER- Yes.

1:01:32SPEAKER- What if we all go back to IRC?

1:01:35SPEAKER- I don't have to deal with Nesplitz, man.

1:01:37SPEAKER- Oh man, that was the fun part.

1:01:39SPEAKER- So much drama.

1:01:40SPEAKER- Channel wars were the fun part.

1:01:43SPEAKERAnyway, I don't think IRC is not going anywhere.

1:01:46SPEAKER- No, I mean, God, I feel like funny

1:01:51SPEAKER'cause when we started ours, we used ICQ

1:01:53SPEAKERand then they moved back to IRC around the time I left

1:01:56SPEAKERand just set up a private IRC server

1:02:00SPEAKERthat they've used I think ever since

1:02:01SPEAKERuntil Slack came along probably.

1:02:04SPEAKERAnd I'm not sure that Slack is better than just using IRC.

1:02:08SPEAKER- Yeah, I tend to agree.

1:02:10SPEAKERI still have my old ICQ data files

1:02:12SPEAKERand I wonder sometimes if there's any way

1:02:14SPEAKERto extract whatever's in there.

1:02:16SPEAKER- 1-1-2-9-6-4-5, it's probably just text.

1:02:18SPEAKERIt's probably just uncompressed flat text.

1:02:20SPEAKER- You think?

1:02:21SPEAKER- Yeah, I bet it's something, I bet it's like,

1:02:23SPEAKERI bet you can parse it out real easily.

1:02:25SPEAKER- I think I have logs of ICQ from like the late '90s.

1:02:29SPEAKER- I bet you talk about Quake a lot.

1:02:31SPEAKER- You know, I might be better off

1:02:32SPEAKERnot reading those actually.

1:02:34SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:02:35SPEAKER- Unless I want to die of embarrassment.

1:02:36SPEAKER- Look, Brad, it's time to do the patron episode

1:02:41SPEAKERwhere we just read your old ICQ logs.

1:02:43SPEAKER- Oh, I don't know, I don't know about that.

1:02:47SPEAKER- I sent you the picture of the shorts

1:02:48SPEAKERin the Discord though.

1:02:49SPEAKER- Should I comment on them?

1:02:50SPEAKEROh wow, those are some shorts, all right.

1:02:53SPEAKER- Yeah, so they're super comfy.

1:02:54SPEAKER- Does it look tight?

1:02:56SPEAKER- The inside's tight, it feels nice.

1:02:57SPEAKER- Okay.

1:02:58SPEAKER- But there's no friction between the outside pants

1:03:00SPEAKERand the inside pants.

1:03:02SPEAKERAnd then you do have to do an uncomfortable

1:03:03SPEAKERkind of pull up your pants leg movement

1:03:05SPEAKERto get the phone out, which strongly dissuades you

1:03:08SPEAKERfrom pulling the phone out

1:03:09SPEAKERunless it's something actually important.

1:03:10SPEAKER- Good point, good point.

1:03:11SPEAKERI can see the appeal there.

1:03:13SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:03:14SPEAKER- All right.

1:03:15SPEAKER- I don't have the pink and blue ones,

1:03:16SPEAKERbut that's the color that came up.

1:03:18SPEAKER- Oh, it looks nice.

1:03:19SPEAKER- I think mine might be a little shorter too.

1:03:20SPEAKER- I like a nice pastel.

1:03:21SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:03:23SPEAKER- All right, shall we call it?

1:03:25SPEAKER- Can we do this Fishy J one about cables?

1:03:27SPEAKERI feel like we've talked about cables a lot over the years.

1:03:29SPEAKER- Yeah, I think we may have covered this before,

1:03:31SPEAKERbut yeah, we can revisit.

1:03:34SPEAKERFishy J, carefully organize and store old cables

1:03:37SPEAKERor purge everything responsibly

1:03:38SPEAKERand buy new cables as needed.

1:03:41SPEAKER- I do both.

1:03:42SPEAKER- And store, wait, how can you do both?

1:03:44SPEAKER- So I have a certain number of like the common things,

1:03:48SPEAKERright, like I always have a couple extra USB-C to USB-C,

1:03:52SPEAKERUSB-C to USB-A.

1:03:53SPEAKERThere's always one micro USB, one mini USB at least.

1:03:59SPEAKERTurns out I hardly ever need micro USB anymore

1:04:01SPEAKERat this point, which is nice.

1:04:03SPEAKERSo it's mostly lightning and USB-C.

1:04:06SPEAKERAnd the question is, do I have USB-A to USB-C

1:04:09SPEAKERor do I have USB-C to USB-C?

1:04:11SPEAKERAnd I've just started putting adapters that go both ways

1:04:14SPEAKERin my go bag for cables and that solves that problem.

1:04:16SPEAKER- Yes, that's a good strategy for sure.

1:04:19SPEAKER- The bummer is all of my battery packs are USB-A plugs.

1:04:23SPEAKERSo, and they're still good

1:04:24SPEAKERand they'll be good for a long time.

1:04:25SPEAKERSo I'm just gonna keep using adapters I think for them.

1:04:27SPEAKERAnyway.

1:04:28SPEAKER- I think we are finally fully into the transition.

1:04:30SPEAKERI think that USB-A is, I mean, except for the situations

1:04:34SPEAKERwhere USB-A is never going away,

1:04:35SPEAKERbut the places where it is,

1:04:36SPEAKERit's going to start going away pretty rapidly.

1:04:40SPEAKER- Yeah, I think that's fair.

1:04:41SPEAKERAnd then I have a drawer full of weird cables.

1:04:46SPEAKERI always have like spare XLR

1:04:48SPEAKER'cause they tend to erode over time.

1:04:50SPEAKERI have a spare like HDMI,

1:04:52SPEAKERbut I got rid of all of the bad HDMIs

1:04:54SPEAKERand I just bought one good,

1:04:56SPEAKERwhatever the current HDMI 17.3 or whatever it is.

1:05:02SPEAKERI have one display port, same.

1:05:05SPEAKER- That's probably sound.

1:05:07SPEAKERI would say the one type of cable

1:05:08SPEAKERthat I definitely hoard too much of is HDMI.

1:05:11SPEAKER- Yeah, well you use HDMIs a lot more than I do I think too.

1:05:14SPEAKER- It's true, I do, but I still don't need like 25 extras.

1:05:17SPEAKER- No, and then I have the weird cables,

1:05:21SPEAKERlike the stuff that,

1:05:23SPEAKERmy old DV camera uses FireWire 800 to FireWire 400

1:05:28SPEAKERand I have some of those cables around

1:05:30SPEAKERjust in case I need, for whatever reason,

1:05:32SPEAKERto get some of the FireWire.

1:05:34SPEAKERI don't even know how to do that now.

1:05:36SPEAKERI think I had a card.

1:05:37SPEAKERI think my last computer at a FireWire port probably

1:05:39SPEAKERor two computers ago.

1:05:41SPEAKER- You never know, you never know.

1:05:43SPEAKERI don't want to say hoarding cables,

1:05:44SPEAKERbut stockpiling cables, let's say, as I do.

1:05:48SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:05:48SPEAKER- And having organized them even a little bit

1:05:50SPEAKERhas like really saved my ass a few times

1:05:52SPEAKERin the last year or two.

1:05:55SPEAKERMy girlfriend has this concept of shopping at home.

1:05:58SPEAKERI don't know if she got that from somewhere.

1:06:00SPEAKER- Like that she goes into the closets

1:06:02SPEAKERand the deep storage and goes shopping for things?

1:06:05SPEAKER- Yes, like she's big on like-

1:06:06SPEAKER- She's a big on like stocking up on stuff

1:06:08SPEAKERand just having it around, whether it's non-perishables

1:06:10SPEAKERor like toiletries, stuff like that.

1:06:12SPEAKER- I love that.

1:06:14SPEAKERWe have the exact opposite strategy here

1:06:15SPEAKERand it makes me crazy.

1:06:17SPEAKER- I mean, you have to be careful.

1:06:18SPEAKERIt is possible to overbuy

1:06:19SPEAKERand then just let stuff sit around too long or whatever.

1:06:22SPEAKER- I mean, the toilet paper is not going to go bad though.

1:06:24SPEAKER- Like that became interesting when the pandemic hit

1:06:26SPEAKERbecause I still have like two unopened things

1:06:28SPEAKERof hair products that I don't know if I'll ever use.

1:06:31SPEAKER- Fair.

1:06:32SPEAKER- For example, when I stopped using hair products

1:06:33SPEAKERsince you stopped leaving the house.

1:06:34SPEAKER- Yes, not the end of the world.

1:06:38SPEAKER- You could just mohawk, you could go full height mohawk

1:06:41SPEAKERlike a six foot mohawk.

1:06:43SPEAKER- You know, I probably should do that at some point.

1:06:44SPEAKER- I think that'd be amazing.

1:06:46SPEAKER- But I kind of have ended up falling backwards

1:06:49SPEAKERinto doing that with cables and stuff

1:06:51SPEAKERto the point that like I've got a USB drawer,

1:06:53SPEAKERa video cable drawer and audio cable drawer.

1:06:57SPEAKERI needed a couple of USB extension cables a few months ago

1:07:01SPEAKERand I like started going to Amazon.

1:07:03SPEAKERI was like, oh, I guess I'm gonna wait a couple of days

1:07:04SPEAKERand get these extension cables.

1:07:05SPEAKERAnd then I was like, wait a minute.

1:07:07SPEAKERI went and searched my modern price order history.

1:07:09SPEAKER- Ah.

1:07:10SPEAKER- Sure enough, found like two of the exact cable I needed

1:07:13SPEAKERthat I had bought and never used.

1:07:15SPEAKERAnd then I knew that I had them.

1:07:17SPEAKERI was like, okay, there it is right in my order history

1:07:19SPEAKERfrom like four years ago, went in that drawer

1:07:21SPEAKERand sure enough, they were in there unused

1:07:23SPEAKERand I just pulled them right out and used them.

1:07:25SPEAKER- There you go.

1:07:26SPEAKERIt's funny, I have a bunch of stuff like that

1:07:27SPEAKER'cause when we were doing the food stuff,

1:07:29SPEAKERI had a bunch of extended,

1:07:30SPEAKERI had to buy a bunch of extender cables for similar,

1:07:33SPEAKERlike just so I'd have them when we were on a shoot

1:07:36SPEAKERor something someplace.

1:07:37SPEAKERAnd as a result, there's a shitload of them

1:07:39SPEAKERjust like kind of bopping around.

1:07:40SPEAKERBut I've electronics recycled a lot of cables

1:07:44SPEAKERin the last year just so that they're out of my way.

1:07:47SPEAKER- What do you do for e-waste?

1:07:48SPEAKERWhat's your, do you have a?

1:07:50SPEAKER- On Thursday morning at 10 o'clock,

1:07:51SPEAKERyou can take them to the recycling yard in Pacifica

1:07:53SPEAKERand they'll just take them.

1:07:54SPEAKERThere's a big tub.

1:07:56SPEAKER- You're dropping off, I see.

1:07:57SPEAKER- I'm dropping off.

1:07:58SPEAKERThat's more trivial when you have a car, I guess.

1:08:02SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:08:03SPEAKER- We've been looking into like e-waste pickups

1:08:05SPEAKERand those are rare.

1:08:07SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:08:08SPEAKER- Like the county or the city or whoever handles garbage

1:08:12SPEAKERsure won't take that stuff.

1:08:13SPEAKER- No, usually there's,

1:08:15SPEAKERso there is a neighborhood one once or twice a year here

1:08:19SPEAKERthat they do it like one of the local elementary schools

1:08:21SPEAKERon a Saturday morning

1:08:22SPEAKERand you just roll in with your old computers and stuff

1:08:24SPEAKERand they'll haul them off.

1:08:26SPEAKERBut yeah, that's it.

1:08:28SPEAKERI think that's it for me.

1:08:29SPEAKER- Yeah, let's call it.

1:08:31SPEAKER- That's a lot of cues.

1:08:32SPEAKER- Yeah, thanks for the questions, everyone.

1:08:35SPEAKER- I'm gonna say art deco also.

1:08:37SPEAKER- Yeah, I thought I liked that question

1:08:40SPEAKERexcept that I'm embarrassed to admit

1:08:42SPEAKERI couldn't like call to mind an image of Baroque decor.

1:08:46SPEAKER- Baroque is like, imagine Trump's penthouse in New York.

1:08:49SPEAKER- I knew like heavily detailed and ostentatious

1:08:53SPEAKERare probably the sort of key traits there.

1:08:56SPEAKERThat's a key better question.

1:08:57SPEAKERIf you had to choose between art deco and Baroque styles,

1:09:01SPEAKERwhich would you decorate your home with?

1:09:03SPEAKERYeah, definitely art deco.

1:09:04SPEAKER- Yeah, like Empire State Building is fucking cool, man.

1:09:07SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah.

1:09:08SPEAKERLike I feel like maybe for a while,

1:09:10SPEAKERI think this has maybe receded a little bit,

1:09:12SPEAKERlike Bioshock made art deco

1:09:13SPEAKERlike maybe a little bit cliche or trite.

1:09:16SPEAKER- Maybe, yeah.

1:09:17SPEAKER- But art deco design and architecture are incredible still,

1:09:22SPEAKERI think, like any of that kind of like,

1:09:27SPEAKERit's not retro futuristic,

1:09:28SPEAKERbut like there's kind of a forward-looking

1:09:30SPEAKERalmost utopian thing with art deco.

1:09:33SPEAKER- There's curves with art deco.

1:09:35SPEAKER- Yeah.

1:09:36SPEAKER- Art deco has a good curves.

1:09:36SPEAKER- Like it feels like that early 20th century vision

1:09:40SPEAKERof the future stuff that is so cool.

1:09:42SPEAKER- Wait a second, art nouveau has the curves, right?

1:09:45SPEAKER- Oh, I think art deco might have some.

1:09:48SPEAKERYeah, like doesn't the Empire State Building has?

1:09:51SPEAKER- No, I like the Chrysler Building.

1:09:54SPEAKER- Okay.

1:09:55SPEAKER- It turns out.

1:09:56SPEAKER- I am definitely not qualified to talk about architecture.

1:10:00SPEAKERLooking at pictures of art nouveau.

1:10:03SPEAKER- Yeah, I think I like art nouveau better than art deco,

1:10:06SPEAKERbut I definitely like art deco than Varroque.

1:10:09SPEAKER- Oh no, I 100% take art deco over nouveau

1:10:13SPEAKERfrom what I'm looking at here.

1:10:15SPEAKERThat's too curvy.

1:10:15SPEAKERLook, I liked Quake 3, but not that much.

1:10:18SPEAKER- When I go to the art deco Wikipedia page,

1:10:20SPEAKERthe first thing is a picture of the Chrysler Building,

1:10:22SPEAKERso I was wrong.

1:10:23SPEAKERI like art deco.

1:10:24SPEAKERI always get art deco and art nouveau mixed up.

1:10:28SPEAKER- I'm just gonna look for Varroque architecture real quick.

1:10:30SPEAKERAlthough, he was asking more about decor

1:10:33SPEAKERthan architecture, right?

1:10:35SPEAKER- Yeah, but same thing.

1:10:36SPEAKERDecor.

1:10:37SPEAKER- I mean, architecture is on the outside.

1:10:39SPEAKER- It could be on the inside too.

1:10:41SPEAKER- The decor is what you put inside the architecture.

1:10:43SPEAKER- That's true.

1:10:45SPEAKER- Okay, yes, looking at Varroque stuff.

1:10:47SPEAKERYeah, that's very French monarchy-looking stuff, right?

1:10:53SPEAKER- Yep, if you wanna look at a chair

1:10:56SPEAKERthat's gonna get your head chopped off

1:10:57SPEAKERin the French Revolution, go for Varroque.

1:10:59SPEAKER- Yeah, I'm good, I'm good.

1:11:02SPEAKER- I lost my Patreon tab, unfortunately.

1:11:04SPEAKER- Oh crap, am I gonna have to keep talking about architecture?

1:11:07SPEAKER- Found it, found it, found it.

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1:12:37SPEAKER- Yeah, Ouija board.

1:12:38SPEAKER- It's not spelled remotely the same,

1:12:39SPEAKERbut I guess that is how people say that.

1:12:41SPEAKER- No, and then since this is the end of the month,

1:12:44SPEAKERwe also want to thank our assistant producer tier patrons,

1:12:46SPEAKERincluding Alejandro Navarro, Andre M. Burke, Arthur Gies,

1:12:50SPEAKERBen Tolman, Dave Ullian, Eric Klein, Graham Banks,

1:12:53SPEAKERJad Rita, Jason Rooney the ref, Jay Mabey,

1:12:56SPEAKERMatt Walker, Walkman8080, Nathan Phelps,

1:12:59SPEAKERSanchik Kumar, Steve Lin, Thomas Shea, and Tom Hilton.

1:13:03SPEAKERThank you all so much.

1:13:04SPEAKER- Yeah, thank you, we could not do it without you.

1:13:07SPEAKER- We literally, quite literally,

1:13:08SPEAKERcould not do it without you.

1:13:10SPEAKERSo that'll do it for us this month.

1:13:11SPEAKERWe will be back next week with another episode

1:13:14SPEAKERof "Brad and Will Made a TechPod," the Bluetooth trifecta.

1:13:19SPEAKER- Wait, it's up to three now?

1:13:21SPEAKER- I think it has to be three episodes.

1:13:22SPEAKER- Three?

1:13:23SPEAKER- That's what we talked about, yeah.

1:13:24SPEAKERI don't think we're, we're not gonna do them back to back.

1:13:25SPEAKERWe wouldn't submit anybody to that.

1:13:27SPEAKER- I literally just bought a new cheap pair

1:13:29SPEAKERof wireless earbuds for exercise

1:13:32SPEAKERand spent some time staring at Bluetooth codecs,

1:13:34SPEAKERaudio codecs, going like,

1:13:36SPEAKER"Ah, should I try to get the one that's got aptX,

1:13:39SPEAKERor is SBC or AAC enough?"

1:13:42SPEAKERI'm sure we'll cover it.

1:13:43SPEAKER- Look, if you wanna talk about some audio stuff

1:13:44SPEAKERthat's out of spec, I used the,

1:13:47SPEAKERthe kiddo and I watched some "Stranger Things" episodes

1:13:49SPEAKERon my iPad using the share audio thing

1:13:52SPEAKERon the newer AirPods and newer iDevices.

1:13:58SPEAKERAnd like, you just hold up the AirPod case to the iPad

1:14:01SPEAKERand it's like, "Oh yeah, okay, press the button on the back

1:14:04SPEAKERand I'll connect it, that's fine."

1:14:05SPEAKERAnd then when you disconnect, it goes back to normal

1:14:07SPEAKERand disconnects back to her thing, it was really cool.

1:14:09SPEAKER- Wow, that sounds like magic.

1:14:10SPEAKER- Everybody had independent volume controls,

1:14:12SPEAKERit was really nice.

1:14:14SPEAKERBut yeah, we'll be back next week

1:14:15SPEAKERwith another episode of "Brad and Will Made a Tech Bot."

1:14:16SPEAKERI don't think it's gonna be the Bluetooth one next week,

1:14:18SPEAKERbut maybe the week after

1:14:19SPEAKERis where I'm kind of feeling like now.

1:14:21SPEAKER- Maybe we'll talk about weird internet.

1:14:23SPEAKER- Yeah, weird internet's good.

1:14:24SPEAKER- You've got, well, we talked about weird internet

1:14:26SPEAKERof a certain kind today,

1:14:27SPEAKERbut we're talking more connection type stuff

1:14:29SPEAKERwith your Diablo on a plane and your Starlink and stuff.

1:14:32SPEAKER- We might need more time for that.

1:14:34SPEAKER- Yeah, maybe.

1:14:34SPEAKER- I want to do some 5G stuff, too.

1:14:36SPEAKERAnyway, be back next week, see you all then.

1:14:39SPEAKERHave a lovely week.

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