00:00SPEAKER- I'm told you're going camping this weekend,
00:03SPEAKERexcept it's not really camping
00:04SPEAKER'cause you're staying in a cabin and it's kind of bullshit.
00:07SPEAKERYour words.
00:08SPEAKER- We are, it's literally what I told you
00:10SPEAKERabout 30 seconds ago.
00:10SPEAKERWe are going on a Sure Is school outing
00:14SPEAKERto the San Francisco KOA, which is actually in Petaluma.
00:18SPEAKERI don't know, man.
00:19SPEAKERLike we have a cabin.
00:21SPEAKERIt's, I actually also, well, by the time you hear this,
00:24SPEAKERI'll be on my way back, I guess.
00:26SPEAKERSo it's probably fine.
00:27SPEAKERBut like, I don't know.
00:29SPEAKERIt's like they have an arcade, there's a pool,
00:31SPEAKERthere's basketball courts.
00:33SPEAKERIt seems like a very 50Z kind of camp.
00:36SPEAKERLike not like going backpacking into the wilderness
00:40SPEAKERand maybe seeing a bear, but more like, you know,
00:43SPEAKERjust going someplace that's a little bit outside of town
00:45SPEAKERwith a bunch of other people.
00:46SPEAKERAnd like there's gonna be,
00:48SPEAKERthe kids can roam free or something.
00:50SPEAKERI don't know.
00:52SPEAKER- You're not exactly washing your coffee cup out
00:53SPEAKERin the river every morning is what you're saying.
00:56SPEAKER- Man, I hope not.
00:57SPEAKERI do have to take my own coffee maker though.
00:59SPEAKERSo.
01:00SPEAKER- Oh man, you're really roughing it.
01:01SPEAKERI mean, does this qualify as glamping?
01:04SPEAKER- I don't, I think this is like above glamping.
01:07SPEAKERLike glamping is like when you roll in with the van
01:09SPEAKERand you like unload a whole house worth of crap
01:11SPEAKERinto your tent.
01:12SPEAKER- Right.
01:13SPEAKER- This is like, I have a toilet.
01:14SPEAKERI don't think this counts.
01:15SPEAKER- Like glamping is arguably also bullshit,
01:20SPEAKERbut at least it's actually in the wilderness.
01:22SPEAKER- I mean, at least there's an air mattress.
01:23SPEAKERThere's a slight element of discomfort with a glamp, right?
01:27SPEAKER- You've got indoor plumbing.
01:28SPEAKERWhat is that's just, that's just a hotel.
01:30SPEAKERThat's a log cabin hotel.
01:31SPEAKERI mean, that's a, that is a log constructed hotel.
01:34SPEAKER- It's like an Airbnb, but with a company.
01:36SPEAKERIt's like, yeah, it's like a hotel.
01:38SPEAKERIt's weird.
01:39SPEAKERI don't know.
01:40SPEAKERI'll let you know how it goes next week,
01:41SPEAKERbut I got to figure out what my Memorial day cooking.
01:44SPEAKERLike I got to figure out like, like what's the,
01:47SPEAKERis ribs a traditional Memorial day?
01:50SPEAKER- Oh, I'd say burgers and hot dogs.
01:55SPEAKER- That's always, it seems like more 4th of July to me.
01:57SPEAKER- You think so?
01:58SPEAKERThat's just my answer for everything.
01:59SPEAKERI actually have no idea.
02:01SPEAKER- I often will do like a coffee, rub pork, pork butt,
02:04SPEAKERyou know, where you do like a, you put,
02:06SPEAKERput some coffee and sugar and salt on the outside,
02:09SPEAKERand let it sit in the fridge overnight,
02:10SPEAKERand then cook it real low at like 200 degrees
02:13SPEAKERfor a long time until it all falls apart.
02:16SPEAKERBut I don't know, maybe we'll just do hot dogs and hamburgers.
02:19SPEAKERThat also sounds compellingly simple.
02:21SPEAKER- What is your grill strategy?
02:23SPEAKERI mean, do they have on-premises grilling facility?
02:26SPEAKER- Brad, every cabin comes with a gas grill.
02:28SPEAKER- Man.
02:29SPEAKER- Yeah, they'll deliver wood for the fire pit too,
02:31SPEAKERif I ask them to.
02:33SPEAKER- Yeah, it's the most pathetic camping experience
02:35SPEAKERI've ever heard.
02:36SPEAKER- I'm gonna go and tell you,
02:37SPEAKERI think this entire situation is set up to upsell us
02:39SPEAKERto a bunch of other stuff.
02:40SPEAKERLike when have you ever gone camping that there's an arcade?
02:43SPEAKERThat's just, that's madness.
02:45SPEAKERIt doesn't seem right.
02:46SPEAKER- Are they gonna offer to run gigabit to your cabin
02:48SPEAKERfor an extra fee?
02:49SPEAKER- The internet's bad, apparently you have to go over to the,
02:52SPEAKERyou have to go to the office and hook onto the wifi,
02:54SPEAKERor you can use your cell hotspot, apparently.
02:58SPEAKER- Okay, well, as long as you're gonna suffer
02:59SPEAKERin some fashion, then maybe accounts us camping.
03:02SPEAKER(upbeat music)
03:24SPEAKER(upbeat music)
03:29SPEAKER- Welcome to Brad and Will Made a Tech Pod, I'm Will.
03:32SPEAKER- I'm Brad.
03:33SPEAKER- Hello, Brad.
03:34SPEAKER- Hi, hello, how are you?
03:36SPEAKER- Hi, you know, I got a bazillion things to do
03:39SPEAKERbefore I go super glamping this weekend, so I don't know.
03:42SPEAKER- Better get on it then.
03:44SPEAKER- How about you?
03:45SPEAKERHow's things on the East Coast?
03:46SPEAKER- Oh, you know, working remote.
03:48SPEAKER- I'm getting that upshot on you, it's weird.
03:50SPEAKERLike usually you're like, you know,
03:52SPEAKERI get to see the corner of the ceiling.
03:54SPEAKERI get to see the cabinet behind you.
03:57SPEAKER- I thought about trying to track down like a step stool
03:59SPEAKERwhere I could put the laptop up like this,
04:01SPEAKERand then you get the front view.
04:03SPEAKER- You know, they make products specifically for that.
04:06SPEAKERIt's a little slot thing you put the laptop into.
04:08SPEAKER- I keep thinking about hanging a picture
04:10SPEAKERon this bare wall behind me,
04:11SPEAKERjust so there is something there that's not a bare wall.
04:15SPEAKER- There's something compelling about the fact
04:17SPEAKERthat you're in what is clearly,
04:19SPEAKERlike I have real basement envy,
04:20SPEAKERand I love the little hint of, is this the same?
04:23SPEAKERDo you like, do you use the same shot when you're playing,
04:25SPEAKERwhen you're doing "Nextlander" stuff?
04:26SPEAKER- Yeah, this is pretty much the only place in the house
04:27SPEAKERthat is both quiet enough and has decent enough internet.
04:31SPEAKER- I'm very curious about the duck.
04:33SPEAKER- The duck. - 'Cause I see the duck
04:34SPEAKERup behind you on top of the, on top of the--
04:36SPEAKER- Oh wow, that is a duck.
04:39SPEAKERI don't know where that, that duck,
04:41SPEAKERI can't, I can't talk and look at the duck at the same time,
04:43SPEAKERbut that duck looks like it's made out of wood or something.
04:45SPEAKER- It looks like a wooden, wooden white duck.
04:48SPEAKERIt's very ducky, I like it, I'm a fan.
04:50SPEAKER- I thought you were gonna comment on the drop ceiling,
04:52SPEAKERbut did we talk about that last time I was here?
04:54SPEAKER- We did talk about it last time you were here.
04:55SPEAKERI don't know if we did on the podcast,
04:57SPEAKERbut like, just generally speaking,
04:59SPEAKERI'm envious of basements and drop ceilings,
05:01SPEAKER'cause they're very convenient for a lot of things
05:03SPEAKERthat I'm interested in, even though,
05:05SPEAKERmaybe out of fashion these days in the home sense.
05:08SPEAKER- Mm, big same, I can say.
05:11SPEAKER- Yeah, I would love to, I would, I would,
05:13SPEAKERlike I have literally investigated what it would take
05:16SPEAKERto dig out under my house and make a basement.
05:18SPEAKER- Wow. - Yeah.
05:20SPEAKER- Is it, is it just earthquake issues that--
05:22SPEAKER- It's ill-advised, it's ill-advised.
05:24SPEAKER- Okay, that's what I thought.
05:25SPEAKER- Well, also, the other big problem is that the sewer line
05:28SPEAKERgoes diagonally under the crawl space
05:30SPEAKERfrom the garage on one corner in the back
05:32SPEAKERto the front on the other corner.
05:34SPEAKERSo, and it's, so I'd have to dig like nine feet down
05:38SPEAKERto not have that at knocking myself unconscious height.
05:41SPEAKER- That's a pretty deep basement.
05:43SPEAKER- It's a deep basement.
05:44SPEAKER- You know, I'm gonna tell you, I'm not a homeowner,
05:45SPEAKERbut I'm pretty sure I can intuitively say,
05:49SPEAKERpretty important that the sewer line under your house
05:51SPEAKERremain uninterrupted.
05:53SPEAKER- Look, you can move anything
05:54SPEAKERif you're willing to spend enough money.
05:56SPEAKERIt's just about commitment, Brad.
05:58SPEAKER- I guess that's true.
05:59SPEAKER- What are we doing this week?
06:01SPEAKER- Questions and answers.
06:03SPEAKERIt's that time. - We're turning the Qs
06:06SPEAKERinto the As.
06:08SPEAKERAs always, if you have a question
06:09SPEAKERthat you would like to have turned into an answer,
06:11SPEAKERyou can submit it in the Discord Qs Seeking As channel,
06:14SPEAKERor you can, in the increasingly unlikely chance
06:18SPEAKERthat you still use email, you can use the email address,
06:21SPEAKERtechpod@content.town, and send us a Q there.
06:26SPEAKERWe do look at those.
06:26SPEAKERI looked at them before we started this episode.
06:28SPEAKER- Oh, you did.
06:29SPEAKERI was going to say, should I establish a new tradition
06:31SPEAKERof putting you on the spot for every one of these episodes
06:33SPEAKERand asking if you look at the inbox?
06:35SPEAKERBut you did.
06:36SPEAKERGood job.
06:39SPEAKERGood job.
06:39SPEAKERBefore we start here, shall we promote
06:45SPEAKERwork that we did elsewhere?
06:47SPEAKER- It's a radical new idea I've come up with.
06:48SPEAKERWhat if we talked about the other things we do
06:51SPEAKERon this thing we do, and then people will know
06:53SPEAKERabout those other things. - You wanna talk
06:54SPEAKERabout my Fortnite streams?
06:55SPEAKER- Yes, exactly.
06:56SPEAKER- I'm getting real into it.
06:57SPEAKER- I have to say, your stream title
06:59SPEAKERthe last few nights has been choice.
07:00SPEAKERWhat is it, Bearded Gamer Seeks Victory Royales?
07:03SPEAKER- Yes, if you like that one.
07:05SPEAKER- I highly appreciated that one, that was good work.
07:08SPEAKER- That's one of those places I always feel like,
07:10SPEAKERis there any benefit to putting effort into that?
07:12SPEAKER'Cause it seems like it makes no difference whatsoever.
07:14SPEAKER- I like a clever title, okay?
07:16SPEAKER- Okay.
07:17SPEAKER- Maybe it's because I have had to come up
07:19SPEAKERwith numerous titles that I hope are clever over the years.
07:23SPEAKEREndless titles.
07:23SPEAKERAnyway, we're rambling here, it's late.
07:26SPEAKERThink I was gonna say,
07:27SPEAKERwhile you were checking the email inbox,
07:29SPEAKERI was posting the latest episode of the FOSPOD.
07:32SPEAKER- Oh, where we talked to Foon Turing
07:33SPEAKERabout 3D Movie Maker for Windows 95?
07:36SPEAKER- I cannot, I genuinely did not think
07:38SPEAKERwe were gonna get Foon.
07:39SPEAKERWe got Foon.
07:40SPEAKER- Yeah, I know, it was super exciting.
07:41SPEAKERWe got Foon, and then Foon was super,
07:46SPEAKERwe could've talked for another hour easily.
07:48SPEAKER- I could do like four more podcasts with Foon
07:50SPEAKERabout different topics, that would be great.
07:52SPEAKERWe did the one at least, so.
07:53SPEAKER- It's up, you can listen to,
07:55SPEAKERif you're hearing this podcast,
07:56SPEAKERyou should stop listening to this podcast
07:58SPEAKERand go listen to that one and then come back to this one.
08:01SPEAKERFor continuity reasons, if nothing else.
08:03SPEAKER- Yes, for sure, okay, question.
08:05SPEAKER- That's at FOSPOD.content.town.
08:07SPEAKER- Yes.
08:08SPEAKER- But our email, our sacrificial email this week
08:12SPEAKERcomes from Martin, who says,
08:13SPEAKER"Long time, first time, et cetera.
08:15SPEAKER"Given that 3D TVs/movies are pretty much no longer a thing,
08:19SPEAKER"how come they are still putting out
08:19SPEAKER"really obvious, egregious 3D parts in movies?
08:22SPEAKER"Really takes me out of it once I notice it,
08:24SPEAKER"dialogue scenes unnecessarily being over the shoulder,
08:27SPEAKER"lots of slow panning with out-of-focus things
08:29SPEAKER"in the foreground, people unnecessarily walking behind
08:32SPEAKER"in front of stuff, stuff coming really close
08:34SPEAKER"towards the camera, et cetera.
08:36SPEAKER"Is it just for IMAX at this point?"
08:39SPEAKER"Keep up the good work, Martin."
08:41SPEAKERThe reason they do it is because
08:43SPEAKERwhen you go to a movie theater and you're like,
08:45SPEAKER"Oh, I wanna go see Dr. Strange,"
08:47SPEAKERand Dr. Strange is only available the time you're there,
08:51SPEAKERthere's only one showing and it's a 3D showing,
08:52SPEAKERand that ticket costs $5 more than the not-3D showing
08:55SPEAKERthat would be an hour later, they make an extra five bucks.
08:59SPEAKER- That's just math.
09:01SPEAKER- Yeah, it's like--
09:03SPEAKER- Are there still 3D showings?
09:04SPEAKERI thought it was gonna be really done.
09:06SPEAKER- Really?
09:07SPEAKER- There's still shitloads of 3D, well, I mean, okay,
09:09SPEAKERfull disclosure, I haven't been to a movie
09:10SPEAKERin a little bit more than two and a half years.
09:13SPEAKERSome shit happened.
09:15SPEAKERThe 3D showings are still really popular in IMAX,
09:19SPEAKERDolby Cinema, the Cinemark, it's like the premium package.
09:25SPEAKERYou have the garbage-tier theater with no reserve seats,
09:28SPEAKERand then you have the reserve seat ones,
09:30SPEAKERand then you also have the ones that are like
09:32SPEAKERthe super bright projector with weird vibrating chairs
09:36SPEAKERand 3D, they charge an increasing premium for each of those
09:40SPEAKERand the, what is it called, like the landmark experience
09:47SPEAKERor whatever, like the quality, the good,
09:49SPEAKERthe yo, this is the good theater one,
09:52SPEAKERthat's gonna be 3D still a lot of time.
09:53SPEAKER- Okay, I didn't know that.
09:54SPEAKERI knew all those other amenities were still popular.
09:56SPEAKERI thought 3D had pretty much been retired.
09:58SPEAKERI guess that's good news for James Cameron
09:59SPEAKERbecause all of those Avatar sequels are extremely 3D.
10:02SPEAKER- Well, yeah, and like a ton of animated stuff
10:04SPEAKERstill comes out in 3D too.
10:06SPEAKERSo 'cause kids, there's nothing, the kids crave 3D.
10:09SPEAKERThey just can't get enough of it, it turns out.
10:12SPEAKER- But throughout, you know, I guess I was basing that
10:13SPEAKERmostly on 3D TVs no longer being a thing.
10:16SPEAKER- Yeah, but the theaters, it's still a valid upsell.
10:19SPEAKERAnd honestly, like "Spider-Verse" in 3D ripped.
10:23SPEAKERIt was really cool.
10:24SPEAKER- Oh, I believe it.
10:24SPEAKERActually, you know what, it's weird when I say that out loud,
10:26SPEAKERsuddenly I'm like kinda sad you can't get a 3D TV anymore,
10:29SPEAKERwhich is weird because I don't, I never,
10:31SPEAKERI have a TV that could do it and I never used it.
10:33SPEAKER- Did you buy the glasses even?
10:37SPEAKER- Oh God, you're right.
10:37SPEAKERI do have a pair of glasses.
10:38SPEAKERI think I got them free.
10:39SPEAKERI think there was one promotion.
10:40SPEAKER- Yeah, I got one pair free with a copy of "Avatar",
10:43SPEAKERI think, and then I would have had to buy a second pair,
10:46SPEAKERwhich I think I maybe did.
10:48SPEAKERI don't know.
10:49SPEAKERMy daughter's really into 3D.
10:51SPEAKERI should probably get out the 3D copy of "Spider-Verse"
10:53SPEAKERand plug it in and put the glasses on her.
10:54SPEAKERShe'd really like that.
10:56SPEAKER- Yeah, all right.
10:58SPEAKERShall we go check "Cues & Days"?
11:01SPEAKERSome of these Discord questions.
11:02SPEAKERWell, you already did.
11:03SPEAKERYou read a queue and we answered.
11:05SPEAKER- Well, yeah, I know, but now it's official.
11:07SPEAKER- We hate it.
11:08SPEAKERLook, email queues are queues too.
11:10SPEAKER- Okay, okay, okay.
11:11SPEAKERThat's an official ruling?
11:13SPEAKER- Yes.
11:14SPEAKER- Very good.
11:14SPEAKER- That's where we got our start.
11:16SPEAKERDon't forget our rules.
11:19SPEAKERAll right, do you want me to start?
11:21SPEAKERDo you want to start?
11:22SPEAKER- Yeah, I can take this first one.
11:23SPEAKERGlassCannon asks a question that has a really easy answer.
11:26SPEAKERLet's say you get flattened by an asteroid.
11:28SPEAKERWhat happens to your home automation system?
11:30SPEAKERWho is the heir apparent to managing that?
11:32SPEAKERDo the lights and locks still work manually?
11:35SPEAKERDo you want to do, do you have an answer here?
11:37SPEAKER- My answer is that if I get flattened by an asteroid,
11:40SPEAKERthe entire rest of the planet also gets flattened
11:42SPEAKERby the same asteroid, so we should-
11:44SPEAKER- Oh, you're not taking the bad luck?
11:45SPEAKER- We should maybe, we should, what's that?
11:47SPEAKER- You're not taking the bad luck asteroid
11:49SPEAKERfor the rest of us?
11:49SPEAKERLike it just hits one of us?
11:51SPEAKER- I think, no, anything big enough
11:52SPEAKERto be considered an asteroid, I think.
11:54SPEAKERWell, that's not necessarily true.
11:55SPEAKER- That's not true.
11:56SPEAKER- I guess they're not all planet.
11:57SPEAKER- You get hit by a meteorite, like that counts.
11:59SPEAKER- But that's not the same as an asteroid, right?
12:01SPEAKER- Well, an asteroid can, it becomes a meteorite
12:03SPEAKERwhen it comes into the atmosphere.
12:04SPEAKER- Oh, that's meteors and meteorites.
12:06SPEAKER- We can put it, it's asteroid,
12:07SPEAKERmeteors aren't an independent class.
12:09SPEAKERIt's just shit that goes into the atmosphere.
12:12SPEAKER- Hang on, now, so not what this question is about.
12:15SPEAKEROkay, the point, hang on, hang on.
12:18SPEAKERSize and shapes of asteroids vary significantly.
12:22SPEAKERWait, is the only defining characteristic of an asteroid
12:25SPEAKERthat it was, that it originated in the asteroid belt?
12:27SPEAKERIs that actually it?
12:28SPEAKER- I'll say yes.
12:30SPEAKER- Actually, that may not even be the case.
12:32SPEAKERPeople are yelling at their radios so loud right now.
12:35SPEAKER- Oh my God, there are C-type, M-type, and S-type asteroids.
12:39SPEAKER- M-type is where the people live.
12:42SPEAKER- We should, okay, let's answer the actual question here.
12:45SPEAKER- Yeah, the actual question is, if something happens to me,
12:49SPEAKERthen everything that's on Home Assistant
12:51SPEAKERis going to collapse within about three hours
12:54SPEAKERand stop working within a month, I would say.
12:57SPEAKER- I mean, luckily, in that case, you just go around the house
12:59SPEAKERand pulling all the smart plugs, right?
13:00SPEAKERAnd just do it like people did.
13:05SPEAKERWhat did people do before Home Assistant?
13:06SPEAKERThey plugged the lamps. - They plugged the lamps.
13:07SPEAKER- Wall switches straight into the wall.
13:09SPEAKER- That's right.
13:10SPEAKER- All the lights turned on and off
13:11SPEAKERat specific times of the day.
13:12SPEAKERI took the switches off of a lot of the lamps
13:14SPEAKERso that people couldn't turn them off.
13:15SPEAKERI wanted to take agency away
13:16SPEAKERfrom the other people in my house
13:17SPEAKER'cause some of us liked playing with switches
13:19SPEAKERwhen they were younger.
13:21SPEAKERWe do not have any locks attached to the Home Assistant
13:26SPEAKERbecause of the-- - That's probably smart.
13:28SPEAKER- Yeah, because the house is small enough
13:29SPEAKERthat you could stand at the front door and say,
13:30SPEAKER"Hey, Alexa, unlock the front door from the front door,"
13:33SPEAKERand it would unlock. - Yikes.
13:34SPEAKER- Yeah. - Yikes.
13:36SPEAKERI don't think about my home automation so much as my data.
13:39SPEAKERDo you ever think about your personal data?
13:43SPEAKER- Yeah, I mean, I have the box of hard drives.
13:44SPEAKERThis is a big cardboard box full of hard drives
13:46SPEAKERin the garage.
13:47SPEAKER- I mean, I've got, well, granted,
13:50SPEAKERthankfully, a lot of my family is still living,
13:52SPEAKERso they also would care about all these home movies
13:54SPEAKERI've got backed up, right?
13:55SPEAKERBut I don't know. - That's true.
13:58SPEAKER- This is gonna get really morose fast
13:59SPEAKERif I keep talking about this.
14:00SPEAKERBut at some point, all the data that you kept
14:02SPEAKERthat was incredibly important to you personally
14:05SPEAKERis not gonna mean a thing to anybody who's left.
14:07SPEAKER- So there are a fair number of archival projects
14:10SPEAKERthat actually take old home movies,
14:12SPEAKERthat they're more interested in that than anything else.
14:14SPEAKER- Really?
14:14SPEAKEROh, I can see that.
14:15SPEAKER- They want the slices of life,
14:17SPEAKERand they wanna see the stores and the backgrounds
14:19SPEAKERof the shots from the early VHS days and stuff like that.
14:22SPEAKERSo I wanna say Prelinger takes those,
14:24SPEAKERbut maybe it's one of the associated projects.
14:26SPEAKER- God, that is like, yeah, now that you say that,
14:28SPEAKERthe amount of cultural minutia
14:29SPEAKERthat you could mine from old home movies
14:31SPEAKERis like endless, probably.
14:32SPEAKER- Yeah, I sent some old nine mil stuff,
14:37SPEAKERor eight mil stuff to them that was, like,
14:41SPEAKERmy parents' home before I was born.
14:44SPEAKER- I might have to think about that.
14:45SPEAKERThat's like kind of a nice way for that stuff to live on.
14:48SPEAKER- And if it's something of interest to them,
14:49SPEAKERthey'll digitize it and send you the originals back
14:51SPEAKERand also send you copies, so.
14:54SPEAKERAnd I believe, I can't remember,
14:56SPEAKERbut I think you can even say,
14:57SPEAKER"Hey, I don't want this to be public
14:58SPEAKERuntil after my death," or whatever,
15:00SPEAKERif you're concerned about that stuff.
15:01SPEAKERIt's kind of the thing that Phuong talked about,
15:03SPEAKERabout where they'll hold onto the stuff
15:05SPEAKERso it's preserved without necessarily...
15:09SPEAKERYeah, it's interesting, though,
15:10SPEAKER'cause the thing that you mentioned
15:11SPEAKERis it gets really hard to find stuff
15:13SPEAKERfrom pre-Google at this point.
15:16SPEAKER- Yes, it certainly is.
15:17SPEAKER- Oh, well, what's the next question?
15:20SPEAKER- How about a question from Crashdown?
15:24SPEAKERI took apart a computer that had an eSATA front port.
15:28SPEAKERDid anyone on planet Earth ever actually use eSATA?
15:32SPEAKER- I have eSATA drives.
15:33SPEAKERI used eSATA a lot.
15:34SPEAKER- I have no...
15:35SPEAKERI started to say I have no idea what it is.
15:37SPEAKERI maybe have a vague inkling of what it might be,
15:40SPEAKERbut what exactly does eSATA do?
15:43SPEAKER- It's external SATA.
15:44SPEAKERAll it is is a robust external SATA plug
15:50SPEAKERthat you can get a full speed 6G SATA interface
15:54SPEAKERoutside the computer.
15:55SPEAKER- I think the thing that's confused me
15:56SPEAKERis aren't there like kind of hybrid eSATA ports
15:59SPEAKERon some motherboards?
16:01SPEAKER- No, no, no, that's a different thing.
16:02SPEAKER- Or am I conflating with something else?
16:03SPEAKER- You're conflating that with the hybrid NVME thing?
16:08SPEAKER- No, no, no, no, this is like on a 2015 motherboard.
16:11SPEAKERIt's the board in my NAS, actually.
16:13SPEAKERI'll have to look.
16:14SPEAKERI'll have to check.
16:15SPEAKER- They did...
16:16SPEAKERSo there have been a bunch of weirds.
16:18SPEAKERThere's SATA Express, which was like a PCI Express
16:21SPEAKERto SATA bridge.
16:22SPEAKER- That might be what I'm thinking.
16:23SPEAKERIt might be a hybrid SATA, SATA Express.
16:25SPEAKER- Yeah, like the SATA Express is like a double high
16:28SPEAKERSATA port that you can also just plug
16:30SPEAKERtwo individual SATA devices into.
16:32SPEAKER- That's what I'm thinking of.
16:33SPEAKEROkay.
16:34SPEAKER- I think it's called SATA Express.
16:35SPEAKERThat might not be right, but nobody used that.
16:37SPEAKERThat literally, I never saw a device that used that
16:39SPEAKERthat wasn't a server or enterprise thing.
16:41SPEAKER- Okay.
16:43SPEAKER- The eSATA ports are like front panel connector ports.
16:46SPEAKERThey look like weird, one directional,
16:50SPEAKERlike they don't have the key in the same way
16:51SPEAKERthat internal SATA ports do.
16:53SPEAKERAnd they were a little bit more chunky
16:55SPEAKERso that it was harder to break off the stump
16:57SPEAKERon the connector, like you can with a normal SATA connector.
17:02SPEAKER- Do they carry power and data, I assume?
17:04SPEAKER- Only data.
17:05SPEAKER- Really?
17:06SPEAKER- So the power was always via an external brick,
17:07SPEAKERwhich is one of the things that killed them as a product.
17:10SPEAKERThey basically became irrelevant the moment USB 3 got faster
17:16SPEAKERthan SATA, which was like 3.1, I think,
17:19SPEAKERor 3.2 generation one or whatever the hell
17:23SPEAKERthe stupid new naming scheme is.
17:24SPEAKER- Yeah.
17:26SPEAKERAll right.
17:27SPEAKER- I used it on my HP Windows home server box.
17:33SPEAKER- Asked and answered.
17:35SPEAKERI'm just gonna go ahead and ask this question
17:36SPEAKERright after that, that you bolded from Glenn,
17:39SPEAKERbecause you said there's a technical answer to this question.
17:42SPEAKERWhere do you draw the line between noodles and pasta
17:45SPEAKERor is pasta a subset of noodles?
17:46SPEAKERI would have, I mean, this is my addendum here.
17:48SPEAKERI would have assumed that noodles are a subset of pasta,
17:50SPEAKERthat it's the other way around, but...
17:53SPEAKER- Oh, pasta is a hundred percent a subset of noodles.
17:57SPEAKER- Oh, sure, yes, actually.
17:58SPEAKER- Noodles existed for thousands upon thousands of years
18:00SPEAKERbefore pasta was invented.
18:02SPEAKER- You know what?
18:03SPEAKERLike pasta has become such a generic term at this point
18:05SPEAKERthat it completely failed to register.
18:07SPEAKERAlso, we're recording this one pretty late.
18:09SPEAKERIt failed to register with me that it has Italian on origin.
18:12SPEAKER- Yeah, well, so we need, this is,
18:14SPEAKERI want to find a food anthropologist,
18:16SPEAKERlike a historical anthropologist who specializes in food
18:19SPEAKERthat we can just ask a series of stupid questions to.
18:22SPEAKER- Fantastic.
18:23SPEAKER- They found 4,000 year old noodles in China preserved.
18:29SPEAKERSo noodles have been around for a really long time.
18:31SPEAKERThe big difference is in preparation
18:33SPEAKERand pasta generally is flour, specific types of flour,
18:38SPEAKERwhereas noodles can be made with any sorts of grains
18:40SPEAKERand even like mung beans can be dried and ground up
18:42SPEAKERand stuff like that.
18:44SPEAKER- Yes, we had some chickpea pasta recently
18:46SPEAKERthat was quite good.
18:47SPEAKER- Yeah, but the main, the techniques are different
18:54SPEAKERand the derivation is different.
18:56SPEAKERSo typically China, Asia is where noodles originated
19:01SPEAKERand often a noodle is heartier than pasta.
19:05SPEAKERSo like if you put pasta in a casserole,
19:09SPEAKERit's gonna get into a gooey, mushy, glutinous mess.
19:12SPEAKERIf you put noodles in a casserole,
19:14SPEAKERthey'll hold up to the cooking.
19:15SPEAKER- Sure.
19:17SPEAKER- You want to do this cake batter question?
19:20SPEAKER- There's a lot of cake batter questions here.
19:23SPEAKER- Okay, yes, cake batter won the award this month
19:25SPEAKERfor the most questions submitted, I think, by far.
19:29SPEAKERCake batter says, I have all my space heaters,
19:31SPEAKERtheir oil radiators, on smart plugs.
19:33SPEAKERAm I a maverick who's risking their home
19:35SPEAKERfor the convenience of a home assistant
19:37SPEAKERcontrolled thermostat?
19:38SPEAKERYes, absolutely.
19:40SPEAKERDon't plug anything into home assistant
19:42SPEAKERthat could burn your house down.
19:44SPEAKERThat's my considered advice.
19:48SPEAKER- A runaway software bug that has control
19:50SPEAKERto some kind of incendiary device.
19:53SPEAKER- Well, I mean, it's more that you just,
19:55SPEAKERlike space heaters, those oil radiator ones,
19:57SPEAKERI've only used them once or twice
19:59SPEAKERin rental houses in Tahoe and stuff,
20:01SPEAKERbut I don't know how hot they get.
20:04SPEAKERI don't know if they get hot to like,
20:06SPEAKERif somebody put a blanket or a piece of clothing
20:08SPEAKERon top of one, would it catch on fire?
20:10SPEAKERI don't know.
20:12SPEAKERIt seems scary, I wouldn't do that.
20:14SPEAKER- I would not, I would not hook anything
20:16SPEAKERwith oil in it, up to any kind of computerized--
20:20SPEAKER- The oil in this case is just like,
20:21SPEAKERfor conveying the heat from the heating element
20:23SPEAKERup to a larger radiating element, I believe.
20:25SPEAKER- Something that burns?
20:27SPEAKER- It's not like, yes, yeah, it's just this,
20:31SPEAKERI believe that that's the case, I don't know.
20:34SPEAKERBut we don't live someplace where we have to have heaters,
20:36SPEAKERreally, it turns out.
20:37SPEAKER- Yes, that's true.
20:39SPEAKER- Yeah.
20:39SPEAKER- Out here you do, but.
20:42SPEAKER- Well, I mean, where you are now, yes,
20:43SPEAKERyou definitely need heaters.
20:44SPEAKER- Boy, do they have weather here.
20:45SPEAKERI forgot what weather is like, it has rained.
20:48SPEAKERIt rained more today here than I think it has rained
20:50SPEAKERin San Francisco in the last year.
20:52SPEAKER- Really?
20:53SPEAKERMy dad sent me a picture and was like,
20:55SPEAKERthis is how much it rained in the last three hours,
20:57SPEAKERand it was a picture of a wheelbarrow
20:58SPEAKERthat was like half filled with water.
21:00SPEAKER- Poured and poured today, all day long.
21:03SPEAKER- I forgot what that was like, it's kind of nice.
21:05SPEAKER- Some days, we get that in January.
21:07SPEAKER- Eh, not as much, maybe you do down there, but.
21:12SPEAKERIn our particular microclimate,
21:14SPEAKERrain is kind of a thing of the past, anyway.
21:16SPEAKER- Yeah, okay.
21:18SPEAKER- How about, an imaginative pseudonym asks,
21:23SPEAKER"When will color e-readers happen
21:24SPEAKERso I can read comics on them?"
21:26SPEAKER- Well, they already happen, they're called iPads.
21:28SPEAKERYou should just buy one of those.
21:29SPEAKER- Whoa, I'm just, some real Don Mattrick energy
21:34SPEAKERon that answer, 'cause we have an e-reader for you,
21:37SPEAKERit's called an iPad.
21:39SPEAKER- Yes, the problem with color e-readers
21:42SPEAKERis that typically, by the time you get to a device
21:45SPEAKERthat is complicated and enough to need,
21:48SPEAKERwell, A, okay, these prototype screens that do this
21:52SPEAKERhave existed for a long time,
21:53SPEAKERthey're used in some weird applications.
21:55SPEAKERThey don't generally look good enough
21:57SPEAKERthat you're gonna wanna read a comic book on 'em,
21:59SPEAKERand in order to get three colors
22:01SPEAKERout of an e-reader mechanism,
22:03SPEAKERthey get big and heavy and power hungry
22:05SPEAKERto the point that it's usually just better to put an LCD in.
22:08SPEAKERSo, sure.
22:09SPEAKER- That makes sense, I saw a headline,
22:11SPEAKERI just pulled it up here from late April,
22:12SPEAKERthat e-Ink Gallery 3 technology is getting closer,
22:20SPEAKERbut like you said, what does closer mean
22:22SPEAKERin the context of what's actually worth using?
22:25SPEAKER- Look, I famously said that HP was into WebOS
22:28SPEAKERfor the long haul, about three days
22:30SPEAKERbefore they pulled the plug on WebOS
22:31SPEAKERand sold it to somebody.
22:32SPEAKERSo, it's entirely possible I'm wrong here.
22:37SPEAKERAll I'm saying is, to date, the e-Ink prototypes
22:43SPEAKERand demos that I have seen for color
22:45SPEAKERare worse in every way than an LCD
22:47SPEAKERand don't have the benefits that black and white e-Ink has
22:50SPEAKERover, say, a normal LCD phone screen.
22:53SPEAKER- Yeah, I believe that.
22:54SPEAKERIt looks like this latest iteration of this technology,
22:57SPEAKERspeed, is the big improvement.
22:59SPEAKER- Well, the problem with them that I saw
23:01SPEAKERwas that they always were weirdly shiny in a way
23:03SPEAKERthat you don't, like the neat thing about e-Ink
23:06SPEAKERwith black and white is it looks kinda like paper,
23:08SPEAKERbut just with a backlight, it's a glowy paper.
23:11SPEAKERAnd with the color ones,
23:15SPEAKERthey always had a weird sheen to them
23:17SPEAKERthat just, it made them not look,
23:19SPEAKERlike they didn't look like paper,
23:20SPEAKERwhich defeated the purpose.
23:22SPEAKER- Yes, I agree.
23:23SPEAKERYeah, I think you're probably better off with a tablet
23:25SPEAKERfor probably some number of years still,
23:28SPEAKERfor something like that is worth getting.
23:30SPEAKER- Everybody loves tablets.
23:33SPEAKER- Simply Bagel has a cool question here.
23:36SPEAKER- Okay.
23:37SPEAKER- Rather a cool solution to their question.
23:39SPEAKEROoh, what do you do with the stickers
23:40SPEAKERthat come with graphics cards or other computer hardware?
23:42SPEAKERI have a weird tradition of hiding them
23:44SPEAKERinside my computer case.
23:45SPEAKERI really like that.
23:46SPEAKERThat's cool.
23:47SPEAKER- Ooh, I love that.
23:47SPEAKER- That's neat.
23:48SPEAKER- I have little filing cabinets next to my computer desk
23:51SPEAKERthat I stick 'em all on.
23:52SPEAKER- That's not bad.
23:54SPEAKERWhat do you do inside of my case has, like,
23:56SPEAKERfuzzy sound dampening material on it,
23:59SPEAKERso I can't stick a lot of stickers in there.
24:01SPEAKER- There's still a place you could hide it, though.
24:03SPEAKER- Mm.
24:04SPEAKER- You work hard enough where the sun does not shine
24:07SPEAKERinside the computer.
24:08SPEAKER- I wasn't suggesting you put it in your butt, Brad.
24:09SPEAKER- Oh, the computer, somewhere in the computer
24:11SPEAKERwhere the sun doesn't shine.
24:12SPEAKER- Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
24:14SPEAKERHey, can we have a dedicated Q&A episode
24:16SPEAKERof people sending in their tech peeves and you rating them?
24:19SPEAKERSo that's what we got last week, or last month.
24:23SPEAKER- Yes.
24:24SPEAKERI don't know how that one went over on the Discord.
24:26SPEAKER- I don't think we landed that one very well.
24:28SPEAKER- Sure.
24:29SPEAKER- I wasn't, it wasn't our best episode.
24:31SPEAKERI'll be the first to admit it.
24:32SPEAKER- I think there were quite a few comments along the lines
24:35SPEAKERof like, well, we've investigated ourselves
24:36SPEAKERand found no wrongdoing.
24:39SPEAKER- Yeah.
24:40SPEAKERHey, Bravenbark has a question.
24:42SPEAKERHonorable mention to Bravenbark for the most questions,
24:44SPEAKERsecond most questions submitted.
24:46SPEAKER- Bravenbark asked quite a few questions.
24:47SPEAKER- Yeah.
24:48SPEAKER- Keep 'em coming.
24:49SPEAKERWe're not, to be clear, we're not complaining.
24:51SPEAKER- No, we love the, they were good.
24:52SPEAKERIt was hard to pick.
24:54SPEAKERComing from the South, did you guys ever eat white rice,
24:56SPEAKERmilk, and sugar as a cereal, like dessert?
24:59SPEAKERIt was one of my favorites growing up.
25:01SPEAKERWe would do that and put a little cinnamon or nutmeg on it.
25:03SPEAKER- That sounds really good.
25:04SPEAKERI don't know why we never did that.
25:05SPEAKERI've never heard of such a thing.
25:07SPEAKER- We often would have that for breakfast in the winter.
25:09SPEAKER- Wow.
25:10SPEAKER- Like a warm, take leftover rice, warm it up,
25:13SPEAKERput milk and sugar and cinnamon on it,
25:17SPEAKERand that was like breakfast before going to school.
25:19SPEAKER- That sounds pretty great, actually.
25:21SPEAKERThe only, like basically the only way we ate rice
25:23SPEAKERwhen I was a kid was with gravy on it.
25:25SPEAKER- That was it.
25:26SPEAKER- Oh, we, yeah.
25:26SPEAKER- Rice and gravy was the dish.
25:28SPEAKERThat was like the only place that rice existed
25:30SPEAKERfor quite a few years for me.
25:32SPEAKER- We, my mom didn't like mashing potatoes,
25:35SPEAKERso we would often have gravy at Thanksgiving,
25:37SPEAKERand I didn't know for a long time that like mashed potatoes
25:41SPEAKERand gravy were like a Thanksgiving thing.
25:44SPEAKERIt was a revolution when I had mashed potatoes,
25:47SPEAKER'cause we would have rice and rice and gravy.
25:49SPEAKER- Oh sure, of course, but wait,
25:50SPEAKERare you saying that even afterwards
25:52SPEAKERthat it was exclusively a Thanksgiving thing?
25:54SPEAKER- No, no, no, I just didn't know that it was like a,
25:56SPEAKERlike mashed potatoes and gravy are a thing
25:58SPEAKERthat most people associate as a Thanksgiving staple.
26:01SPEAKER- I guess so.
26:02SPEAKERMaybe we ate more mashed potatoes and gravy
26:04SPEAKERthan we should have,
26:04SPEAKER'cause that was like an all year thing for us.
26:07SPEAKER- Yeah, I think my mom just doesn't like mashing potatoes,
26:08SPEAKERif I had to guess.
26:09SPEAKER- Oh, okay.
26:10SPEAKER- She always did with the hand mixer.
26:12SPEAKERIt was not a good.
26:13SPEAKER- I get it.
26:14SPEAKER- Yeah.
26:16SPEAKER- Let's see here.
26:17SPEAKERHow about TJ Mullen?
26:21SPEAKERWhy did modems make the audible noise
26:23SPEAKERwhen connecting to the internet?
26:25SPEAKERThe way I'm interpreting this question,
26:27SPEAKERI don't think they're asking like,
26:28SPEAKERwhat did the noise signify or why did it exist?
26:30SPEAKERBut like maybe why was it made audible?
26:33SPEAKER- Well, you could turn it off on most modems.
26:35SPEAKER- I think I did that after a while.
26:36SPEAKERDid you?
26:37SPEAKERI think at some point, like the,
26:38SPEAKERI feel like at some point the novelty wore off
26:40SPEAKERwhere I was like, this is cool, this sounds neat,
26:43SPEAKERbut I've heard it enough.
26:44SPEAKERI'm just gonna mute it.
26:45SPEAKERLike I'm online so much now
26:46SPEAKERthat I don't need to hear this anymore.
26:47SPEAKER(whistling)
26:49SPEAKERWhoa.
26:50SPEAKER(laughing)
26:51SPEAKERWow, it was like an eerie kind of other worldly whistle
26:56SPEAKERthat you just produced.
26:57SPEAKERI can't, I can't whistle at all.
26:58SPEAKER- Is that a great whistler?
26:59SPEAKER- I can't whistle at all.
27:01SPEAKER- Really? - Do that again.
27:02SPEAKER(whistling)
27:03SPEAKERHold on.
27:05SPEAKERI have to lick my lips.
27:06SPEAKERUgh.
27:07SPEAKER(whistling)
27:09SPEAKEROh.
27:10SPEAKER(whistling)
27:12SPEAKERLike at the beginning,
27:13SPEAKERit sounded like a Star Trek communicator or something.
27:15SPEAKERThere was something computerized about it.
27:18SPEAKER- I can't chirp, I'm sorry.
27:19SPEAKER- Okay.
27:20SPEAKER- So I used to leave that on
27:23SPEAKERso I could tell when somebody else picked up the phone.
27:26SPEAKER- Okay.
27:27SPEAKER- 'Cause when it would try to renegotiate,
27:28SPEAKERit would kick back out and the speaker would come back on.
27:29SPEAKER- Oh. - You'd be able to hear
27:30SPEAKERthe chirp, chirp, chirp.
27:32SPEAKER- Wait, I didn't know,
27:33SPEAKERwas that a specific feature of only some modems?
27:36SPEAKER- It may have been something
27:37SPEAKERthat I had to do on my specific modem, yeah.
27:39SPEAKER- Okay, 'cause I definitely,
27:40SPEAKERwhenever somebody would pick up the phone in my house,
27:43SPEAKERthat was it.
27:43SPEAKER- It would just stop. - Stop, yeah.
27:45SPEAKER- Oh, usually, I think it had to do with,
27:48SPEAKERmy guess is it's an error correction thing
27:49SPEAKERand if somebody picked it up and put it down fast enough,
27:51SPEAKERit would recover.
27:53SPEAKER- Sure.
27:54SPEAKER- I know that my little sister would get in the house,
27:56SPEAKERshe would literally pick up the phone,
27:58SPEAKERshe'd hear the bad sound, she'd be like, ah,
28:00SPEAKERand then she'd just start mashing touchtone buttons
28:02SPEAKERuntil it disconnected.
28:05SPEAKER- That's not cool.
28:05SPEAKER- No, it wasn't okay.
28:06SPEAKER- That's extremely uncool, actually.
28:08SPEAKER- I was, I was pretty upset.
28:12SPEAKERI was trying to see my Quake news
28:13SPEAKERover on Redwood Stomping Grounds, you know?
28:16SPEAKERI wanted to know what was happening
28:16SPEAKERon the plan file updates.
28:18SPEAKER- How are you gonna get downloaded
28:19SPEAKERthe newest version of 3-Wave?
28:20SPEAKER- That's what I said.
28:23SPEAKER- Rude.
28:24SPEAKER- Should we do this Warbird question?
28:25SPEAKER- Sure.
28:27SPEAKER- Finally, a Warbird question worthy of being read.
28:32SPEAKERExcept I lost him.
28:33SPEAKER- Why the hell won't Apple put out
28:35SPEAKERa damn cloud native VM image
28:37SPEAKERso I don't have to have a Mac mini
28:39SPEAKERsitting in a literal closet to do iOS work?
28:41SPEAKERI know Tim Apple went to Auburn,
28:43SPEAKERbut I didn't think he was that dumb.
28:45SPEAKERAnd no, Xamarin doesn't count.
28:48SPEAKER- So I had to put the card before the horse,
28:50SPEAKERI looked up Xamarin.
28:51SPEAKERAm I quite sure how that factors into this question?
28:53SPEAKER- It seems like it has nothing to do with this at all.
28:56SPEAKER- I didn't see that it, yeah.
28:58SPEAKERAnd it seems to be especially related
28:59SPEAKERto virtualizing Mac OS or whatever,
29:01SPEAKERbut I would like to know this as well
29:02SPEAKERbecause I have also been thinking
29:03SPEAKERabout setting up a Mac VM recently.
29:06SPEAKER- It is a pain.
29:07SPEAKER- It is.
29:08SPEAKERI don't remember what the specifics are,
29:10SPEAKERbut I wanna say that Mac OS is tied
29:13SPEAKERto some kind of specific unique hardware identifiers
29:15SPEAKERor something like that.
29:17SPEAKERAnd that's why you can't just get an image that works.
29:21SPEAKERYou tell me.
29:22SPEAKER- My understanding was you're basically in the same boat
29:24SPEAKERas people who are making a homebrew Macs
29:26SPEAKERwith equivalent Apple hardware or Intel hardware.
29:30SPEAKERSo yeah, I don't know.
29:31SPEAKERI think that they should do this.
29:32SPEAKERThis seems like it is a,
29:37SPEAKERthis is as goofy a decision on their part
29:39SPEAKERas charging people to compile applications
29:42SPEAKERfor their platform.
29:43SPEAKERAnd it seems like they would benefit greatly
29:46SPEAKERby making this more accessible and easier to do
29:50SPEAKERfor people who maybe don't have Macs to build iOS apps.
29:54SPEAKERI don't know.
29:54SPEAKERI think you should be able to build iOS apps
29:56SPEAKERusing an iOS device too.
29:57SPEAKERLike call me crazy.
29:59SPEAKER- Seems sensible.
30:01SPEAKER- I think they should make X code for iPad.
30:03SPEAKER- Oh, okay.
30:04SPEAKERSo I've got a couple of bookmarks for this project.
30:07SPEAKERI've been meaning to set up one of these VMs
30:08SPEAKERand I don't remember exactly what it is
30:11SPEAKERabout the Mac OS image that you can download
30:13SPEAKERthat won't just virtualize,
30:14SPEAKERbut I do know that the key, the add the OSK string
30:19SPEAKERthat you use in the course of setting up a Mac VM
30:24SPEAKERis only available on the internet
30:26SPEAKERbecause it came out of discovery in some lawsuit.
30:30SPEAKER- Oh, great.
30:31SPEAKER- Like it came out of a public court documents.
30:34SPEAKERSo I'm literally reading on this GitHub repo
30:36SPEAKERfor the secret Apple OSK string
30:39SPEAKERis widely available on the internet.
30:41SPEAKERIt is also included in a public court document
30:44SPEAKERavailable here.
30:45SPEAKERI'm not a lawyer, but it seems that Apple's attempts
30:46SPEAKERto get the OSK string treated as a trade secret
30:49SPEAKERdid not work out due to these reasons
30:52SPEAKERthe OSK string is freely included in this repository.
30:55SPEAKERSo I assume it's not legally actionable,
30:57SPEAKERnot that they're gonna come after you.
30:59SPEAKER- For me, the big issue with doing anything
31:02SPEAKERlike that is business critical
31:04SPEAKERor personally mission critical
31:07SPEAKERon something that's janky at that level
31:09SPEAKERis that at some point it's gonna stop working.
31:11SPEAKERAnd inevitably in my past experience doing this stuff,
31:15SPEAKERthe moment that I need to use that device the most
31:17SPEAKERis the moment that it will stop working.
31:19SPEAKERAnd then I will have a problem
31:20SPEAKERthat usually involves me going out
31:22SPEAKERand spending money on something.
31:23SPEAKERSo I just buy it in advance, cut out the middleman.
31:27SPEAKERThat's not what cut out the middleman means, but you know.
31:30SPEAKERGauge 006 says, I have an old tower
31:32SPEAKERthat's been collecting dust for at least a year
31:34SPEAKERwith the intention of repurposing it for network storage.
31:37SPEAKERWhat project have you been putting off for far too long?
31:41SPEAKER- Oh, that's a good quote.
31:42SPEAKERI thought that was gonna be specifically about
31:43SPEAKERwhat would you use an old case for?
31:46SPEAKERMy answer to that is it's hard for me to want to put
31:49SPEAKERan old PC into service for much of anything anymore
31:51SPEAKERbecause they are so power hungry.
31:53SPEAKER- Depends on how old, but yeah.
31:55SPEAKER- And most everything will run on something much smaller
31:58SPEAKERthese days, but that's not what they were asking about.
32:01SPEAKERI like, let's see.
32:05SPEAKERI installed WireGuard on my router before I left
32:07SPEAKERand then didn't actually set it up
32:10SPEAKERand have continued to use my L2TP VPN
32:13SPEAKERwhile I've been out here.
32:14SPEAKERI've been thinking about setting up the WireGuard VPN
32:16SPEAKERover the old VPN.
32:18SPEAKERIs that rude?
32:19SPEAKERIs that rude to the old VPN?
32:20SPEAKER- I set up my WireGuard VPN over the old VPN
32:23SPEAKERbecause I was tired of the old VPN being slow and bad.
32:26SPEAKER- Yeah, I should do that.
32:28SPEAKERIt seems like it does not take long.
32:33SPEAKER- It's easier for me to pick the things
32:35SPEAKERthat I actually got going 'cause I tend to stall out
32:38SPEAKERand then not pick something back up.
32:40SPEAKER- Yeah.
32:41SPEAKER- I have to redo the rest of my,
32:44SPEAKERI wanna redo my office so I can not have to green screen
32:46SPEAKERall the time if I don't want to.
32:48SPEAKERI have shelves that I've picked out.
32:50SPEAKERI haven't bought 'em yet, but I wanna put shelves up
32:52SPEAKERand build a back fascia that'll block the window so that,
32:56SPEAKER'cause the reason I started to switch to a green screen
32:58SPEAKERin the first place was that the window is square
33:01SPEAKERin the middle of that space and it shines through,
33:03SPEAKERit faces west, so in the afternoon it's always backlit
33:06SPEAKERand I was getting, it was bad for video conferencing.
33:11SPEAKERSo yeah, I don't know, maybe.
33:12SPEAKERMaybe that, that seems like a good one.
33:14SPEAKER- I've gotten so used to your little pixelated
33:16SPEAKERcolorful grid background though.
33:18SPEAKERNobody can see this but me. - Shout out to Faraday.
33:20SPEAKERWell no, this is the one I use on streams too.
33:22SPEAKER- Oh, do you?
33:22SPEAKER- Well not right now, but when I have backgrounds
33:24SPEAKERon streams I do.
33:27SPEAKERI got another one if you want.
33:29SPEAKER- Sure.
33:34SPEAKER- I lost it 'cause I scrolled idly.
33:37SPEAKEROh, here we go.
33:39SPEAKERThis is Running Mutton, says I have a 10 year old
33:41SPEAKERwho's a keen coder and dreams of being a game dev.
33:44SPEAKERHe's been following tutorials on Unity,
33:45SPEAKERhas built himself a game but isn't happy tinkering with it
33:49SPEAKERand is desperate to share his creations
33:50SPEAKERand see what people think.
33:51SPEAKERDo you know of a website, service, place for kids
33:53SPEAKERsharing stuff like game creations
33:55SPEAKERor someplace where that would be appropriate?
33:57SPEAKERThanks in advance, love the show.
33:58SPEAKER- Oh, that is a good question.
34:00SPEAKER- So that's not exactly, there are,
34:03SPEAKERso for example, you can make an itch page
34:06SPEAKERand upload a Unity executable to that
34:09SPEAKERand so he can share it with his friends.
34:11SPEAKERIf that's what you're looking for,
34:13SPEAKERanybody can make an itch page, I believe.
34:15SPEAKERI don't think that, you might have to be more than 13
34:17SPEAKERso you might have to do it for him.
34:19SPEAKER- Yeah.
34:20SPEAKER- If you are looking for something,
34:22SPEAKERa place that is a community that'll kind of foster that,
34:25SPEAKERI've heard very good things about the Scratch community,
34:28SPEAKERthe MIT Scratch community.
34:30SPEAKER- MIT, did you say?
34:31SPEAKER- It's scratch.mit.edu, I think.
34:33SPEAKERAnd it's a, it's kind of an environment, I guess,
34:39SPEAKERis the best way to put it, probably,
34:41SPEAKERwhere you can build, you can write code
34:44SPEAKERto build basic, simple games.
34:46SPEAKERA lot of, there's a lot of 2D runners and stuff like that.
34:52SPEAKERAnd share them with other people and get ratings
34:55SPEAKERand feedback and comments and all of that stuff.
34:58SPEAKERYou gotta be careful with the community there,
34:59SPEAKERespecially for younger kids.
35:02SPEAKERSo I would say-- - Is it not,
35:03SPEAKERis it not heavily moderated or what's the deal?
35:06SPEAKER- It's, I mean, it's, it is challenging
35:11SPEAKERto moderate anything at this kind of scale
35:13SPEAKERfor something other than Google or Facebook or Twitter,
35:17SPEAKERbig, giant company.
35:17SPEAKER- I was gonna say, I mean, MIT is MIT,
35:20SPEAKERbut still academia tackling something like that,
35:22SPEAKERprobably not.
35:23SPEAKER- They've built tools to self-moderate,
35:25SPEAKERbut still I would supervise my kids if it were me.
35:28SPEAKER- This does look cool though.
35:29SPEAKERI'm clicking through a bunch of projects here.
35:30SPEAKERThere's some neat looking stuff.
35:32SPEAKER- It's neat and when you,
35:35SPEAKERso what I would say, the people I know,
35:37SPEAKERso my daughter's not really into learning to code,
35:41SPEAKERbut the people I know whose kids are,
35:42SPEAKERand I've talked to about this, have all said,
35:45SPEAKEReverything's great until you make something
35:47SPEAKERthat's actually successful and gets on the front page
35:50SPEAKERand then it kind of goes sideways.
35:52SPEAKERBut if you just wanna get stuff, build stuff
35:54SPEAKERand share it with your friends and noodle around,
35:56SPEAKERthen it's perfect for that.
35:57SPEAKERAnd that's actually, there's something really nice
36:01SPEAKERabout letting kids develop hobbies and learn things
36:04SPEAKERwithout immediately putting them in situations
36:06SPEAKERwhere the platforms are trying to monetize them
36:08SPEAKERlike Roblox does.
36:09SPEAKER- Yeah, for sure.
36:11SPEAKERThat's scratch.mit.edu.
36:14SPEAKER- Yeah.
36:14SPEAKER- Is there something like this for adults?
36:16SPEAKERI mean, I don't think I should be a creepy old guy
36:19SPEAKERhanging around this place.
36:20SPEAKER- Glitch is kind of like this for adults.
36:22SPEAKERI don't know if you know about Glitch.
36:23SPEAKERAnil Dash and a bunch of folks,
36:25SPEAKERAnil is one of the movable type founders,
36:29SPEAKERmade this thing called Glitch that's basically
36:31SPEAKERlike a server community packet.
36:35SPEAKERIt's like an easy way to build web apps basically
36:38SPEAKERthat doesn't require you to have hosting or whatever.
36:42SPEAKERAnd it's similar.
36:43SPEAKERLike a lot of people make Glitch games
36:45SPEAKERand weird stuff with Glitch.
36:46SPEAKERIt's cool.
36:47SPEAKERThey just got bought by, I think Fastly, I can't remember.
36:50SPEAKERI didn't know what Fastly was before that,
36:52SPEAKERfor what it's worth.
36:53SPEAKER- Or do I?
36:56SPEAKERHere's one from Shaitan.
37:00SPEAKER- Yes.
37:01SPEAKER- Should we go with that?
37:03SPEAKER- Sounds good.
37:04SPEAKER- Am I the only one who goes around their house yelling,
37:05SPEAKER"Hey Siri," because they can't find their phone?
37:08SPEAKERThat's pretty good, that's pretty good.
37:09SPEAKER- I do that all the time.
37:11SPEAKER- That's not bad.
37:12SPEAKERThat's some good Siri engineering.
37:14SPEAKER- I'm gonna tell you, this is like,
37:17SPEAKERI've talked about why the watch is stupid
37:18SPEAKERand awesome sometimes.
37:20SPEAKERThis is my favorite stupid thing is I can pull up
37:22SPEAKERthe control center on the watch and make.
37:28SPEAKER- Yes, I was introduced to that by a family member
37:31SPEAKERfor the first time.
37:33SPEAKER- It's the business.
37:34SPEAKER- It's awesome.
37:34SPEAKER- I mean, I don't know if it's worth buying a $400 watch,
37:37SPEAKERbut maybe not, pretty good.
37:39SPEAKER- Good fringe benefit.
37:40SPEAKER- Hey Siri is like, I'll take the yelling,
37:43SPEAKER"Hey Siri," and the 400 bucks, I guess.
37:45SPEAKER- I can't do that because I am a not leaving microphones
37:48SPEAKERlistening absolutist.
37:50SPEAKERI turn off everything I possibly can in that vein.
37:54SPEAKERWhy are you shaking your hand?
37:54SPEAKER- You should just disconnect the microphone from your iPhone,
37:57SPEAKERopen it up, cut the wire and then you're safe.
37:59SPEAKER- Oh yeah, now you're talking.
38:01SPEAKER- I mean, kind of removes a little bit of the functionality
38:03SPEAKERfrom the phone.
38:04SPEAKER- I suppose that's true.
38:06SPEAKERI don't need to talk to people ever.
38:08SPEAKER- Okay, okay, okay.
38:10SPEAKER- Question from Scott is alarmed.
38:11SPEAKERI can't remember if we've taken this one before.
38:14SPEAKERI don't think so.
38:16SPEAKERJust out of curiosity, why don't either of you
38:18SPEAKERdaily drive an open source OS?
38:20SPEAKERHave we taken that?
38:22SPEAKER- We've talked about it a little bit off and on,
38:23SPEAKERbut I can't because of my job.
38:25SPEAKER- Yeah.
38:26SPEAKER- It's hard to make video games.
38:27SPEAKERIt's hard to make video games on not Windows.
38:30SPEAKER- Yeah, I mean like kind of same thing for playing games
38:32SPEAKERfor me, although Proton obviously is improving
38:35SPEAKERby leaps and bounds constantly, but.
38:36SPEAKER- Yeah, but like when you're evaluating a game.
38:39SPEAKER- Yes, absolutely.
38:41SPEAKER- It feels unfair.
38:43SPEAKERI mean, now that Valve is coming out and saying,
38:45SPEAKERhey, this game will work with Proton.
38:48SPEAKERIt's a little bit different situation.
38:49SPEAKER- I guess so, yeah.
38:50SPEAKERBut yeah, like back in the day when we were, you know,
38:53SPEAKERobserving rigorous editorial standards.
38:54SPEAKER- Yes, we absolutely never would review a game
38:57SPEAKERoutside of its intended environment.
38:59SPEAKER- Yeah, like we wouldn't even review,
39:01SPEAKERif a game said it required Windows 7,
39:03SPEAKERwe wouldn't review it on Windows XP or whatever,
39:05SPEAKEReven if you could force it to run.
39:07SPEAKER- Right, right.
39:09SPEAKERIt's actually less games for me on Windows
39:11SPEAKERand more just like esoteric apps.
39:13SPEAKERLike, I don't know of anything as good as FUBAR 2000,
39:17SPEAKERfor example, for playing old synthesized game music.
39:20SPEAKERJust as a random game. - Oh yeah.
39:22SPEAKER- There's like, there's so much stuff that gets made
39:24SPEAKERfor Windows that isn't necessarily available
39:26SPEAKERfor other platforms just because of its ubiquity.
39:28SPEAKER- It's funny, I had that same experience
39:31SPEAKERwhen I was using a Mac as my like daily work driver.
39:35SPEAKERI had built such a lovely little toolkit of Mac apps
39:38SPEAKERthat were kind of, a lot of them were like single use things
39:41SPEAKERfor like formatting text or stripping formatting
39:44SPEAKERfrom text more accurately and stuff like that.
39:47SPEAKERAnd like I had a word processor that I absolutely loved
39:52SPEAKERthat was just a full screen white page
39:55SPEAKERwith no nonsense around it.
39:58SPEAKERAnd like a lot of those, I miss a lot of those apps,
40:00SPEAKERthey're gone, I mean, they don't exist on Windows
40:02SPEAKERin the same way a lot of times.
40:03SPEAKER- Right, actually I will say on this Mac,
40:06SPEAKERsince I've been spending time on this laptop,
40:08SPEAKERshout out to Teddy on the Discord
40:09SPEAKERfor introducing me to COG, C-O-G.
40:11SPEAKER- What's COG?
40:12SPEAKER- It's just a little music player for Mac OS,
40:14SPEAKERbut it plays most of those synth formats for old consoles
40:18SPEAKERthat I use FoodR for on Windows.
40:23SPEAKER- Oh, that's awesome.
40:24SPEAKER- Oh yeah, it's highly recommended,
40:26SPEAKERbut I like Windows is pretty good,
40:29SPEAKERyou know, like with Windows subsystem for Linux and stuff.
40:31SPEAKERAnd also with like, I'm trying to think how to describe this,
40:36SPEAKERyou know, like Windows ships with an SSH client now,
40:38SPEAKERlike you can kind of, you can do a lot more in Windows
40:41SPEAKERthan you used to be able to, right?
40:43SPEAKER- Like the things that used to be hard
40:44SPEAKERor require some third-party software now are more or less.
40:48SPEAKER- Integrated or easy to do.
40:50SPEAKER- Yeah, like I've probably said this before,
40:53SPEAKERbut like Windows desktop, Mac laptop,
40:56SPEAKERlike the open source server,
40:58SPEAKEReither Linux or FreeBSD or whatever,
40:59SPEAKERlike that's kind of the life I like to live.
41:02SPEAKER- Yeah, I can see that.
41:03SPEAKERI don't know that I need a Mac laptop anymore.
41:05SPEAKERI kind of want an iPad.
41:07SPEAKERI haven't had an iPad in a long time.
41:08SPEAKER- So I think we will talk about this
41:10SPEAKERon the Patreon episode this month.
41:11SPEAKERI am kind of falling head over heels for this MacBook.
41:16SPEAKERThe more time I spend with it and the more I get set up,
41:18SPEAKERlike the more I find the tools that I need
41:20SPEAKERand get them installed.
41:21SPEAKER- It's funny, Gina's due for a laptop upgrade
41:24SPEAKERand we're trying to hold out for M2 MacBook Airs
41:26SPEAKER'cause that's firmly in her wheelhouse.
41:30SPEAKER- An Air specifically, does that fit her use case?
41:33SPEAKER- I mean, she uses it for like web browsing and nothing,
41:36SPEAKERlike the heaviest thing she does
41:37SPEAKERis maybe edit a little tiny video, so yeah.
41:40SPEAKER- Yeah, it seems like the M2 Airs might be out this year.
41:44SPEAKER- I mean, my assumption is they're gonna hit in time
41:46SPEAKERfor grad season, first start at school would be my guess,
41:50SPEAKERbut that is possible, fingers crossed.
41:52SPEAKERI made her, I was like, hey, you don't wanna buy this
41:55SPEAKER'cause it's two years old right now.
41:56SPEAKERAnd she's like, oh, wait, okay.
41:58SPEAKER- Do you use the MacRumors Buyer's Guide?
42:00SPEAKER- No. - You don't?
42:01SPEAKER- Nope. - It's pretty good.
42:03SPEAKER- It's pretty handy. - I mean, I just buy it.
42:04SPEAKERIt turns out. - Yeah, well, that's fair.
42:06SPEAKERBut like they do a really good job of tracking
42:08SPEAKERbecause you know how Apple is, like they never lower prices.
42:10SPEAKERThey just roll out a new thing at the same price, right?
42:11SPEAKER- They have patterns though, so they.
42:13SPEAKER- Right, well, that's what they,
42:15SPEAKERthey track like number of days since last release,
42:17SPEAKERlike average length of time between releases,
42:19SPEAKERstuff like that.
42:20SPEAKER- Oh my God, you can see that's too much, too much.
42:22SPEAKER- It's all just, it's all just green, red and gray.
42:25SPEAKERLike it's just three colors.
42:26SPEAKERIt's like, hey, is it green than buy?
42:28SPEAKERIs it red than dulled?
42:30SPEAKER'Cause they're probably gonna put one out next month.
42:32SPEAKER- Oh, fair.
42:33SPEAKERI mean, as long as you buy it within 14 days
42:35SPEAKERof when they announce it, you can just send it back
42:36SPEAKERand get the new one.
42:37SPEAKER- Fair.
42:39SPEAKER- Should we, I've got a serious question,
42:41SPEAKERa very serious question from Millhouse Phoenix here.
42:44SPEAKER- Okay.
42:45SPEAKER- Could a person actually do a Scrooge McDuck high dive
42:48SPEAKERinto a pile of real world currency?
42:50SPEAKERIf yes, would notes be better than coins
42:52SPEAKERand which currency would be best?
42:54SPEAKERIt has to be notes, right?
42:56SPEAKER- I was gonna say, I don't think there's much debate there
42:59SPEAKERabout paper money versus metal
43:01SPEAKERin terms of like diving head first.
43:04SPEAKER- Yeah, 'cause the coins, you would die, literally die.
43:06SPEAKERYou'd break your arms, you'd break your fingers
43:09SPEAKERand then your arms and then probably your neck.
43:11SPEAKER- Yeah.
43:12SPEAKER- Also you'd suffocate, it's like lava.
43:14SPEAKER- It's like when you're watching a cartoon
43:15SPEAKERand somebody sinks into lava, that's such horseshit.
43:18SPEAKER'Cause like lava is way more dense than a person.
43:20SPEAKERLike you're gonna float on top of the lava
43:22SPEAKERas you're burning to death if you fall into the lava.
43:24SPEAKERIt's not good.
43:25SPEAKER- You're gonna incinerate.
43:27SPEAKER- Yeah, don't believe the cartoons, man.
43:28SPEAKERThey're propaganda from the faceless multinationals.
43:32SPEAKER- Big magma is trying to keep you down.
43:36SPEAKER- I would go for one of the plastic currencies though.
43:38SPEAKER'Cause I don't like to get paper cuts.
43:40SPEAKER- Oh, do you mean like the plasticky paper?
43:43SPEAKER- Yeah, the plasticky paper.
43:44SPEAKERLike a lot of European,
43:45SPEAKERlike the Euro is a plastic currency now, isn't it?
43:47SPEAKER- Really?
43:48SPEAKERBut is it like very noticeably plastic?
43:49SPEAKER- Hey, this is a new segment, Euro facts
43:52SPEAKERwith Will and Brad.
43:55SPEAKERNote composition.
43:57SPEAKERI'm Googling this as we,
43:59SPEAKERI'm duck, duck going this as we speak.
44:01SPEAKER- Oh boy, live research.
44:02SPEAKER- Euro bank notes are pure cotton fiber.
44:04SPEAKER- Oh, interesting.
44:06SPEAKERI mean, I think American currency
44:08SPEAKERhas gotten like more synthetic over time, right?
44:11SPEAKER- I, maybe not by feel,
44:13SPEAKERit still feels kind of like it always has, I guess.
44:15SPEAKERBut I know what you're talking about.
44:18SPEAKERI've certainly heard of.
44:20SPEAKER- Yeah, there's like some paper currencies now,
44:23SPEAKERit feels like, it feels almost like luggage tags
44:25SPEAKERin that it's feels like indestructible, but plasticky.
44:28SPEAKER- Wow, that's just straight plastic.
44:31SPEAKER- Yeah, it's like a vinyl composition, yeah.
44:34SPEAKER- Yeah.
44:36SPEAKER- I would love to do an episode about luggage tags too.
44:39SPEAKER- You know, if you were as rich as Scrooge McDuck,
44:42SPEAKERyou could pay somebody else to dive into your money
44:43SPEAKERand see what happened.
44:44SPEAKER- I don't think it's as fun to watch somebody else
44:46SPEAKERdive in the money, I suppose not.
44:48SPEAKERYou know what I do like though,
44:49SPEAKERis watching somebody learn how to use a,
44:52SPEAKERI'm gonna go and tell you my completely off topic,
44:55SPEAKERa fantastic genre of video to look at on YouTube
44:58SPEAKERis people learning how to ride unicycles.
45:01SPEAKER- Whoa. - Yeah.
45:02SPEAKER- Is that a thing? - It's really hard
45:05SPEAKERand the wipeouts are hilarious
45:07SPEAKERand usually not particularly herdy.
45:09SPEAKER- Well, huh, okay.
45:11SPEAKER- Yeah.
45:12SPEAKER- Never really thought about the herdiness of the injuries,
45:14SPEAKERbut I am not a person who enjoys
45:16SPEAKERwatching people hurt themselves, so.
45:18SPEAKER- Yeah, no, I don't want that.
45:20SPEAKERBut I do like watching light human suffering.
45:24SPEAKER- Okay, sure.
45:24SPEAKER- Hilarious fall, great every time.
45:27SPEAKER- Yes, benign suffering is totally fine, I'm sure.
45:30SPEAKERGot any more?
45:31SPEAKER- I think there's a couple more in here, I'm scrolling.
45:34SPEAKERWe went out of order this month, which was maybe a mistake.
45:37SPEAKER- I mean, I've been sitting on this one,
45:38SPEAKERwhich I thought might be the end, but from fortune.
45:42SPEAKERCats are pets, Will, cats are pets.
45:44SPEAKERLook, what happened?
45:46SPEAKERWhat do I need to know?
45:46SPEAKER- Okay, so I talked some shit about cats a few weeks ago,
45:49SPEAKERbut the point wasn't that I don't think cats are pets,
45:51SPEAKERit's that I think if you have a cat,
45:53SPEAKERyou are the cat's pet, not the other way around.
45:57SPEAKER- Boy, that's a harsh judgment.
45:59SPEAKER- No, it's not, the cat's trait,
46:00SPEAKERlike, I work with a lot of cat people, okay?
46:02SPEAKEROur company logo is a black Bombay cat.
46:06SPEAKER- That's right, isn't it?
46:07SPEAKERWhere did the name come from, is that actually?
46:09SPEAKER- Chet's cat is a stray Bombay that he found.
46:12SPEAKER- I was gonna ask him what one of them was.
46:14SPEAKER- So Boris is the logo, Boris is a lovely cat.
46:17SPEAKERShout out to Boris, he comes down.
46:19SPEAKERBoris often comes and graces us during calls
46:21SPEAKERby showing us his butt while he's engaging with Chet.
46:26SPEAKER- Just because he can.
46:27SPEAKER- Look, it's his prerogative, but the cat has,
46:31SPEAKEReverybody that I see that I work with that has cats,
46:33SPEAKERthe cats have their humans incredibly well-trained.
46:36SPEAKERLike Chloe never had us trained as well
46:38SPEAKERas these cats have these people trained.
46:39SPEAKERThey play with them, they pet them whenever they want,
46:42SPEAKERthey just come up and they're like,
46:42SPEAKERyeah, hey, entertain me, human.
46:44SPEAKERAnd then they, with no seeming affection,
46:49SPEAKERthey just wander off as soon as they're done with you, so.
46:53SPEAKER- Yes, cats, occasionally cats will deign
46:55SPEAKERto allow you to interact with them.
46:57SPEAKER- Yeah, I'm allergic to cats,
46:59SPEAKERso we can't have an indoor cat pet,
47:00SPEAKERso I will never know the joy and heartbreak
47:03SPEAKERof having a cat for a pet inside the house.
47:05SPEAKER- Maybe you should just get like a dozen cats
47:07SPEAKERand expose yourself until you're fine.
47:09SPEAKER- We had a barn cat when I was a kid, that's enough.
47:13SPEAKER- Did not work.
47:14SPEAKER- Barn cats, you know, they live fast and hard lives.
47:18SPEAKER- Do they?
47:19SPEAKER- Depends.
47:20SPEAKER- But wait, hang on, do you feed them
47:22SPEAKERor do you just like, you're on your own, like feed them?
47:24SPEAKER- Yeah, I'm kind of joking, but like,
47:28SPEAKERyeah, no, like barn cats, they're just outside,
47:30SPEAKERso they're exposed to like raccoons and possums
47:32SPEAKERand stuff like that.
47:33SPEAKER- Oh, sure. - And sometimes can have
47:35SPEAKERdeleterious effects on their longevity,
47:37SPEAKERalthough we had like a couple of our,
47:39SPEAKERone of the barn cats we had when I was a kid
47:40SPEAKERwas 18 years old when he finally passed, so.
47:44SPEAKER- Yeah, our cat growing up was an outside cat,
47:46SPEAKERand I didn't realize until much later
47:48SPEAKERthat that's not actually that common, is it?
47:50SPEAKEROr is it just that I'm in a rural enough area
47:52SPEAKERthat we didn't care?
47:53SPEAKER- I think in a, like where we were,
47:55SPEAKERour place was big enough that the cat wouldn't really range
47:58SPEAKERoutside of the area where like the cats would go
48:02SPEAKERto the barn in the house, and that was pretty much it.
48:04SPEAKER- Okay.
48:05SPEAKER- Like, at least as near as we could tell.
48:09SPEAKERAlso, we weren't where there were really any predators
48:12SPEAKERfor them other than like raccoons and possums,
48:15SPEAKERwhich were kind of even money.
48:17SPEAKER- We definitely have all kinds of stuff around here,
48:19SPEAKERcoyotes, bears.
48:21SPEAKER- Yeah, I don't know if we have bears,
48:23SPEAKERwe have mountain lions, mountain lions, coyotes,
48:25SPEAKERand bobcats where I live.
48:27SPEAKER- What if it's a fox?
48:29SPEAKERWell, I wonder how a fox relates to a cat
48:30SPEAKERin terms of predatory behavior.
48:33SPEAKER- Foxes, foxes, so my parents have a lot of foxes
48:36SPEAKERwhere they live, and they seem to be kind of cowards.
48:38SPEAKERThey eat like chickens and small stuff.
48:40SPEAKER- Sure.
48:41SPEAKER- But like, I feel like anything that they feel
48:43SPEAKERis gonna be even slightly a threat
48:44SPEAKERthey'll just run away from.
48:45SPEAKER- That's fair.
48:46SPEAKER- Yeah, it's a good strategy.
48:51SPEAKERShould that, do you think that's it?
48:52SPEAKERShould we wrap it up?
48:53SPEAKER- Yeah, do you wanna do this phosphide question?
48:54SPEAKERWe talked about doing that one.
48:55SPEAKER- Yeah, we can do the phosphide question.
48:57SPEAKER- From Grant.
48:58SPEAKER- Hi, Grant.
48:59SPEAKERHow much oversight and input does Google have
49:01SPEAKERon FOSS Pod episode topics?
49:03SPEAKER- Not much.
49:06SPEAKERLike when we were starting out,
49:08SPEAKERwe talked about the kind of the framing
49:11SPEAKERfor what we wanted the show to be about.
49:13SPEAKERAnd we all agreed that we didn't wanna do,
49:16SPEAKERthat the world didn't need more podcasts
49:20SPEAKERabout enterprise software on Linux.
49:22SPEAKER- Yeah, yeah, that's like the closest thing
49:24SPEAKERto a mandate we've had is just like,
49:26SPEAKERhey, make it relatable for normal people.
49:29SPEAKER- Yeah.
49:30SPEAKER- This would be better served being something
49:33SPEAKERthat everybody can kind of understand and benefit from.
49:35SPEAKER- Yeah, the goal with the FOSS Pod on both of our sides
49:39SPEAKERwas to bring, make other people excited about open source,
49:42SPEAKERmake everybody excited about open source,
49:44SPEAKERnot just the enterprise people and the people doing,
49:47SPEAKERlike using open source software for work.
49:50SPEAKER- Right.
49:51SPEAKER- But yeah, and then they help us sometimes book guests
49:55SPEAKERif we ask for introductions to folks
49:57SPEAKERthat they might know and we don't know.
49:58SPEAKER- Yes, they've been good for helping
50:00SPEAKERto put us in touch with people.
50:01SPEAKER- But yeah, I mean, we have a regular meeting
50:06SPEAKERwhere we kind of talk about what's coming up
50:07SPEAKERand to see if they think they can help
50:10SPEAKERor if they have something else that they can contribute,
50:12SPEAKERbut they're excited about the show
50:14SPEAKERand just wanna help us grow the show
50:16SPEAKERis their main contribution.
50:19SPEAKER- Yeah.
50:20SPEAKER- And they pay for it, which is also really nice.
50:22SPEAKER- Yes. - It turns out.
50:23SPEAKER- Yeah, it's a good way to get help.
50:27SPEAKER- It turns out it's much easier to get help with things
50:29SPEAKERif you have money to pay people.
50:30SPEAKER- Yes, it's a good way to convince people
50:32SPEAKERto help us with the show is to not ask them
50:34SPEAKERto do it for free.
50:35SPEAKER- Yeah, and on that note, I think we should end the show
50:39SPEAKERby thanking our patrons.
50:40SPEAKER- Yeah, thank you, patrons.
50:42SPEAKER- Thank you, patrons.
50:42SPEAKER- Thank you for listening to us stumble
50:45SPEAKERand ramble our way through this sort of late night Q&A.
50:49SPEAKER- Yeah, this week, because I'm out of town this weekend
50:52SPEAKERand you're on the East Coast,
50:53SPEAKERit's been, we've had a little bit of trouble
50:54SPEAKERfinding a time to record, so I'm glad we managed
50:57SPEAKERto squeak it out at the end.
50:59SPEAKERAnd we'll have a patron episode early next week
51:01SPEAKERis the plan, probably Tuesday night.
51:03SPEAKER- Yes.
51:05SPEAKER- But yeah, thank you to all of our patrons.
51:07SPEAKERIf you wanna find out how to support
51:08SPEAKERthe 100% listener-supported tech pod,
51:11SPEAKERyou can go to patreon.com/techpod
51:13SPEAKERand sign up for as little as two bucks a month.
51:16SPEAKERAnd since this is the last regular episode of the month,
51:19SPEAKERwe wanna thank all of our executive
51:21SPEAKERand associate producer tier patrons,
51:23SPEAKERincluding at the executive producer level, Andrew Slosky,
51:28SPEAKERBunnythorpe7321crimes, I don't even know what that,
51:33SPEAKERis that the Unicode key for the hash Octothorpe?
51:37SPEAKER- Oh, I bet, oh, that's a good call.
51:38SPEAKERWe should check on that.
51:39SPEAKERSo I get a, the Bunnyfiend is quite a generous benefactor.
51:46SPEAKERThey also support next Lander stuff.
51:48SPEAKERSo I get a preview of their weekly username change
51:51SPEAKERover there and then we show up here.
51:53SPEAKER- Oh, it's the same username, oh, interesting.
51:55SPEAKER- And I get it again, but nobody,
51:57SPEAKERthus far, nobody has known exactly what that one means,
52:00SPEAKERbut I think you're probably the closest.
52:02SPEAKER- There you go.
52:03SPEAKERPaddle Creek Games, makers of Fractured Veil,
52:06SPEAKERDavid Allen, Jacob Chappell, James Kamik,
52:08SPEAKERand Joel Krauska and Just Wedge.
52:11SPEAKEROh, and also The Sound of Twinkies, I'm still going, sorry.
52:14SPEAKER- Yes.
52:16SPEAKER- So thank you all, thanks to our executive producers
52:18SPEAKERand also thank you to our associate producers,
52:21SPEAKERincluding Andre M. Burke, Arthur Geese, Dave Ullian,
52:25SPEAKEREric Klein, Graham Banks, Jad Rita, Jason Neeland,
52:29SPEAKERJay Mabey, Jorge Pereira, Josh Klein, Julian, Mike Bell,
52:34SPEAKERNathan Phelps, Sanchik Kumar, Steve Lin, Terry Cox,
52:39SPEAKERThomas Shay, and Travis Rosner.
52:41SPEAKERI think there's more of them.
52:42SPEAKERThis is, this is a lot.
52:44SPEAKERThank you all so much, we really appreciate it.
52:45SPEAKER- Thank you to patrons new and old.
52:48SPEAKER- Yeah, and thanks to everybody.
52:49SPEAKERWe had my favorite,
52:52SPEAKERmy favorite new username this month or this week
52:56SPEAKERis the Picard Maneuver, so shout out to the Picard Maneuver,
53:00SPEAKERwhich I, you know what the Picard Maneuver is, of course.
53:03SPEAKER- I do.
53:04SPEAKER- There's two.
53:05SPEAKER- Wait, what? - Yeah.
53:07SPEAKER- What?
53:08SPEAKER- Which Picard Maneuver are you familiar with?
53:12SPEAKER- The one where you engage your warp drive
53:14SPEAKERfor a fraction of a second so that it looks like
53:16SPEAKERyour ship is in two places at once.
53:17SPEAKER- Yes, that is one, but also.
53:20SPEAKER- Oh, yes, okay, idea, the uniform tug.
53:23SPEAKER- Also, Commander Riker refers to the standing up
53:26SPEAKERfrom the captain's chair and pulling the front
53:28SPEAKERof the shirt down as you walk forward
53:29SPEAKERas the Picard Maneuver.
53:31SPEAKER- Do you know about the whole thing with the uniforms?
53:33SPEAKER- Yeah.
53:34SPEAKER- The first couple seasons, they had those like spandex
53:36SPEAKERor whatever material it was.
53:38SPEAKER- They were onesies, weren't they?
53:39SPEAKER- Like unit, what's the unitard, I think is the?
53:42SPEAKER- Yeah, they zipped up in the back.
53:43SPEAKER- Right, is that one jumpsuit, onesie?
53:46SPEAKER- Yeah, and they were straight up getting back problems
53:48SPEAKERfrom like, because the other thing is the Roddenberry
53:50SPEAKERinsisted like, oh, everybody in the future
53:52SPEAKERwears 100% form fitting clothing, no room for wiggle at all.
53:56SPEAKERAnd so like the things were so tight
53:57SPEAKERthat they actually were getting back problems
53:59SPEAKERbecause they couldn't stand up straight.
54:01SPEAKER- Well, and you couldn't, apparently you couldn't put them
54:02SPEAKERon by yourself and also if you got the wrong one,
54:06SPEAKERyou would get, you're either too low in the rise,
54:12SPEAKERtoo high in the rise or like you, yeah, anyway,
54:16SPEAKERthey didn't seem comfortable.
54:18SPEAKER- Yes, apparently they revolted before the third season
54:21SPEAKERand said, you've changed these uniforms or we are not.
54:24SPEAKER- You attacked on the show and you know, weird,
54:27SPEAKERit's about the time the show started getting really good.
54:29SPEAKERSo there you go.
54:31SPEAKERStar Trek factoids, did we find out,
54:35SPEAKERdid we confirm that 7321 is the Unicode?
54:38SPEAKER- I did not.
54:40SPEAKER- Oh, is that easy?
54:41SPEAKER- I bet a Unicode search is easy to find.
54:43SPEAKER- Are we doing it?
54:44SPEAKER- I did it, it is not, it's a glyph.
54:48SPEAKER- Yes, it's a Georgian letter, it looks like, correct?
54:52SPEAKER- I don't know.
54:53SPEAKER- The mystery, the mystery demons.
54:55SPEAKER- Well, maybe we'll find out next week.
54:57SPEAKER- That's right.
54:57SPEAKERThanks for listening everybody.
54:58SPEAKERWe will see you all then with another episode
55:01SPEAKERof the Tech Pod.
55:02SPEAKER- Bye.
55:03SPEAKER(upbeat music)